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            <a href="Chamber" type="">Wednesday, 8 October 2025</a>
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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">The </span>
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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">Ms Claydon</span>
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                <name role="metadata">Claydon, Sharon MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
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                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms Claydon</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">)</span> (<span class="HPS-Time">09:01</span>):  On behalf of the Speaker, I present report No. 3 of the Selection Committee, relating to the consideration of committee and delegation business and private members' business on Monday 27 October 2025. The report will be printed in the <span style="font-style:italic;">Hansard</span> for today, and the committee's determinations will appear on tomorrow's <span style="font-style:italic;">N</span><span style="font-style:italic;">otice </span><span style="font-style:italic;">P</span><span style="font-style:italic;">aper</span>. Copies of the report have been placed on the table.</span>
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                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The report read as follows—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Report relating to the consideration of committee and delegation business and of private Members' business</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">1. The Committee met in private session on Tuesday, 7 October 2025.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">2. The Committee deliberated on items of committee and delegation business that had been notified, private Members' business items listed on the Notice Paper and notices lodged on Tuesday, 7 October 2025, and determined the order of precedence and times on Monday, 27 October 2025, as follows:</span>
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Items for House of Representatives Chamber (10.10 am to 12 noon) </span>
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">COMMITTEE AND DELEGATION BUSINESS</span>
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">1 AUSTRALIAN PARLIAMENTARY DELEGATION</span>
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                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Report of the Parliamentary Delegation to the Forty-fifth General Assembly of the ASEAN Inter-Parliamentary Assembly (AIPA) Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic.</span>
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                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that statements on the report may be made</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">all statements to conclude by 10.20.</span>
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                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
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                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Mr Georganas</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>5<span style="font-style:italic;"> minutes.</span></span>
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                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Mr Birrell</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>5<span style="font-style:italic;"> minutes.</span></span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 2 x 5 mins]</span>
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS</span>
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Notices</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">1<span style="font-weight:bold;"> MR LEESER:</span> To present a Bill for an Act to amend the <span style="font-style:italic;">Crimes Act 1914</span>, and for related purposes. (<span style="font-style:italic;">Crimes Amendment (Mandatory Minimum Sentences for Child Sexual Abuse) Bill 2025</span>)</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Presenter may speak to the second reading for a period not exceeding 10 minutes</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">pursuant to standing order 41. Debate must be adjourned pursuant to standing order 142.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">2<span style="font-weight:bold;"> DR M RYAN:</span> To present A Bill for an Act to establish a scheme to promote and enhance transparency, integrity and honesty in dealings between lobbyists and Government representatives, and for related purposes. (<span style="font-style:italic;">Lobbying (Improving Government Honesty and Trust) Bill 2025</span>)</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Presenter may speak to the second reading for a period not exceeding 10 minutes</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">pursuant to standing order 41. Debate must be adjourned pursuant to standing order 142.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Orders of the day</span>
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">1</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">REPEAL NET ZERO BILL 2025 </span>(<span style="font-style:italic;">Mr Joyce</span>): Second reading—Resumption of debate (<span style="font-style:italic;">from 1 September 2025</span>).</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
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                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">20 minutes.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">All Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>5<span style="font-style:italic;"> minutes each.</span></span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 4 x 5 mins]</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Notices</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">continued </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">3 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MS J RYAN:</span> To move:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) acknowledges the Government's commitment to strengthen Medicare, including $8.5 billion to deliver an additional 18 million bulk billed general practitioner (GP) visits each year, hundreds of nursing scholarships and thousands more doctors in the largest GP training program ever;</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) notes:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) this measure has already seen practices around Australia become fully bulk billed, with nine out of ten GP visits expected to be bulk billed by 2030 and around 4,800 fully bulk billed practices, which is triple the current number; and</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) that while the Government is expanding access to bulk billing by expanding the bulk billing incentive, by contrast the Leader of the Opposition, as the Minister for Health:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(i) never increased Medicare rebates, the only health minister in Australian history to do so;</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(ii) doubled-down on the then Government's $50 billion cut to hospitals; and</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(iii) continued the fight for the then Leader of the Opposition's GP tax; and</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) further acknowledges that only the current Government will strengthen Medicare.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">20 minutes.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Ms J Ryan</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 4 x 5 mins]</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue at a later hour.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">4 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MR KATTER:</span> To move:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) acknowledges that:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) the Australian banana industry:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(i) is worth $1.3 billion to the Australian economy and is the dominant employer in northern Australia; and</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(ii) represents more than 540 growers and employs over 15,000 people;</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) Australia, being a continent which until the 1800s had no farming, remains free of many of the world's most devasting vegetation diseases, including Moko, Black Sigatoka, and Banana Freckle, however, these diseases are found throughout plantations in the Philippines causing widespread crop losses and often producing a flawed, largely inedible product;</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) these diseases will destroy Australia's banana industry and seriously damage our virgin, natural wonderland and threaten other food production activities;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) the US Department of Labor, the Centre for Trade Union and Human Rights (CTUHR), and the Ecumenical Institute for Labor Education and Research (EILER) have all found significant instances of poor work conditions in banana plantations across the Philippines, including widespread child labour;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(e) the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry is currently considering an application to import bananas from the Philippines, and has advised that it will only consider the risk of disease; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(f) bad enough in itself, the application does not consider the need for imports, the disparity in environmental conditions, chemical usage, wages and the various other factors that fail to make free trade, fair trade; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) calls on the Government to take immediate and decisive action to protect Australia's banana industry by ensuring that the:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) application to import bananas from the Philippines be rejected, due to:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(i) unacceptable biosecurity risks that will create real danger to not only Australia's banana industry but also to Australia's virgin nature wonderland as Philippine banana imports will be the vector of a myriad of diseases including Black Sigatoka, Moko Disease and Banana Freckle;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(ii) economic impact of decimating Australia's $1.3 billion banana industry, specifically considering the huge social and economic impact on communities where bananas are grown;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(iii) devastating environmental impacts of bananas grown in the Philippines that have vastly different chemical and pesticide usage and lower overall environmental standards;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(iv) the difference in cost of production including wages and working conditions, for example, the average wage of $50 per week in the Philippines verses $1,153.30 per week in Australia; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(v) significant evidence of child labour throughout Philippine banana plantations, as reported by the US Department of Labor, CTUHR and EILER, with studies indicating that 22.5 per cent of households in banana growing regions have a child working in banana plantations;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry immediately reject the import application as there is no overriding need nor demand for the imported product; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) Government immediately introduce legislation that acknowledges our other international obligations including, but not restricted to, slavery, child labour and other unfair working conditions and wages, and environmental impacts including pesticide and chemical usage.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">15 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Mr Katter</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 3 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">5 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MR VIOLI:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) notes that:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) the Government's spending will reach its highest level outside of recession since 1986;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) since the Government came to office, it has added $100 billion to the national debt, set to breach $1 trillion this financial year and $1.2 trillion by the time of the next election;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) the Government's new decisions since coming to office total a shocking $22 billion, and had the Government shown any fiscal discipline to find savings to fund the new commitments, the Government would be delivering a healthy surplus today;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) we are spending $50,000 on interest every minute, which is money that cannot be spent on essential services;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(e) the persistence in inflation has pushed out the prospect of further interest rate relief with markets now expecting it may be 'one and done', that is, for interest rates to remain at around 3.25 per cent indefinitely, little more than one rate cut lower than the current level; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(f) millions of Australian mortgage holders will have repayments on the average mortgage set to remain at $1,700 higher per month indefinitely under this Government than under the previous Government; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) calls on the Government to reintroduce the quantifiable fiscal rules that every recent government of either political persuasion has adopted, and to heed the calls of leading economists like former Treasury Secretary Ken Henry, and former Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Phillip Lowe, as well as leading international organisations like the International Monetary Fund to introduce such rules.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">25 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Mr Violi</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 5 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">remaining private Members' business time prior to 12 noon.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue at a later hour.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Items for Federation Chamber (11 am to 1.30 pm)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Notices</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">1 <span style="font-weight:bold;">DR HAINES:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) recognises that:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) 28 per cent of the Australian population live outside major cities;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) people living in rural and remote areas have higher rates of hospitalisations, deaths and injury and also have poorer access to, and use of, primary health care services, than people living in major cities, yet investment in regional and rural health is falling behind leaving regional communities with outdated facilities, insufficient training places and healthcare students struggling to train locally; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) the lack of open, competitive and needs-based hospital infrastructure funds means regional and rural hospitals have no transparent, competitive Commonwealth funding pathways to build critical infrastructure to deliver health services for the growing border population into the future;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) notes that premiers are calling for increased funding from the federal government for hospitals, including specifically for infrastructure; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) calls on the Government to establish a $2 billion Building Regional and Rural Hospitals Fund to provide competitive and needs-based investment for new buildings, equipment and planning, so health services in regional, rural and remote areas classified as MM2 and higher can apply for hospital infrastructure funding to meet the needs of their communities now and into the future.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">15 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Dr Haines</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 3 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">2 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MR BURNS:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) acknowledges the Government's commitment to help first home buyers realise their dream of ownership by:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) bring forward the launch of the 5 per cent deposits scheme for all first home buyers to 1 October 2025, instead of next year;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) expanding the 5 per cent deposits scheme with unlimited places and increased property price caps;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) guaranteeing a portion of a first home buyer's home loan through the 5 per cent deposits scheme, so they can purchase with a lower deposit and avoid lenders' mortgage insurance; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) offering eligible single parent families with a saved 2 per cent deposit access to the Family Home Guarantee; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) notes that one hundred and eighty thousand Australians have already been helped into home ownership through the Government's housing policies.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">30 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Mr Burns</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 6 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">3 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MR CHESTER:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) acknowledges that:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) some of Australia's leading forest scientists have acknowledged we have the knowledge, practical skills and regulatory framework to sustainably mange our native forests, including for timber harvesting on small, carefully targeted areas;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) we have a world-class and sustainable native hardwood timber industry in Australia which delivers social, economic, cultural and environmental benefits for our nation;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) timber industry workers provide invaluable skills and practical support to their communities during times of natural disasters, particularly bushfires;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) banning native timber harvesting in Australia will result in more imported timber products, often sourced from countries with poorer environmental protocols; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(e) a sustainable native hardwood timber industry is part of the answer to reducing Australia's carbon emissions as timber products sequester carbon in our floorboards, furniture and other timber products;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) notes that the Victorian and New South Wales state governments have made illogical decisions to ban native hardwood timber harvesting which is based on political science, not environmental science; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) urges the Government to:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) recognise the sovereign capability to maintain a sustainable native hardwood timber industry is an issue of national importance because of the impact on house prices, supply chain considerations, carbon sequestration, biodiversity and community safety;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) support a taxpayer-funded public information campaign to explain the importance of the native hardwood timber industry and dispel the myths perpetuated by environmental activists; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) resist any further attempts to ban the sustainable harvesting of native hardwood timber.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">30 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Mr Chester</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 6 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">4 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MS LAWRENCE:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) acknowledges the Government's will make available an initial $12 billion towards the Henderson Defence Precinct to deliver continuous naval shipbuilding and an AUKUS presence in Western Australia, meaning:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) record investments across shipbuilding and in AUKUS in the west;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) support for approximately 10,000 direct jobs over the next two decades;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) opportunities for small and medium sized businesses across the state and Australia; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) certainty for industry that will partner on the construction of infrastructure and facilities; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) notes that the Government continues to increase defence spending to record levels to deliver the capabilities Australia needs through measures like:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) the arrival of the first two of 29 Apache attack helicopters;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) $1.7 billion for a new fleet of autonomous maritime vehicles including Ghost Shark for the navy;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) selection of the Mogami-class frigate as our new general purpose frigates;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) boosting Australia's long-range strike capability with the Precision Strike Missiles and $2.12 billion in additional stocks of advanced medium-range missiles to strengthen Australia's air defence and aerial strike capability; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(e) $1.3 billion investment over the next ten years in counter-drone capabilities and technologies.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">20 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Ms Lawrence</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 4 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">5 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MR BUCHHOLZ:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) notes:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) the National Centre for Vocational Education Research advises that there are 320,830 active apprentices and trainees in training, representing a drop of 107,320 apprentices and trainees in training compared to when the Opposition was last in office;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) that new data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics released in September 2025 shows Australia's building approvals are collapsing, with total dwelling approvals down by 8.2 per cent and private sector apartment approvals down by 22 per cent; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) the critical link between the collapse in apprentice and trainee numbers and the shortage of skilled workers needed to address Australia's growing housing crisis, with fewer tradespeople available to build the homes Australians desperately need;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) recognises that the housing crisis is being compounded by this failure in skills and training, leading to higher costs, longer delays, and fewer Australians able to achieve the dream of home ownership;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) condemns the Government for failing to ensure an adequate pipeline of skilled workers to meet Australia's needs, and for overseeing a collapse in both apprentice numbers and housing approvals at a time when the nation can least afford it; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(4) calls on the Government to take immediate and urgent action to:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) rebuild apprentice and trainee numbers across the economy, particularly in construction and housing trades;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) work with industry and employers to support real pathways into skills and training; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) develop a credible strategy to ensure Australia has the skilled workforce required to meet current and future housing demand.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">30 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Mr Buchholz</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 6 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Orders of the day</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">MEDICARE:</span> Resumption of debate on the motion of Ms J Ryan—That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) acknowledges the Government's commitment to strengthen Medicare, including $8.5 billion to deliver an additional 18 million bulk billed general practitioner (GP) visits each year, hundreds of nursing scholarships and thousands more doctors in the largest GP training program ever;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) notes:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) this measure has already seen practices around Australia become fully bulk billed, with nine out of ten GP visits expected to be bulk billed by 2030 and around 4,800 fully bulk billed practices, which is triple the current number; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) that while the Government is expanding access to bulk billing by expanding the bulk billing incentive, by contrast the Leader of the Opposition, as the Minister for Health:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(i) never increased Medicare rebates, the only health minister in Australian history to do so;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(ii) doubled-down on the then Government's $50 billion cut to hospitals; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(iii) continued the fight for the then Leader of the Opposition's GP tax; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) further acknowledges that only the current Government will strengthen Medicare.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">25 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">All Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 5 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">remaining private Members' business time prior to 1.30 pm.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Items for Federation Chamber (4.45 pm to 7.30 pm)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Orders of the day</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">continued</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">GOVERNMENT SPENDING:</span> Resumption of debate on the motion of Mr Violi—That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) notes that:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) the Government's spending will reach its highest level outside of recession since 1986;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) since the Government came to office, it has added $100 billion to the national debt, set to breach $1 trillion this financial year and $1.2 trillion by the time of the next election;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) the Government's new decisions since coming to office total a shocking $22 billion, and had the Government shown any fiscal discipline to find savings to fund the new commitments, the Government would be delivering a healthy surplus today;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) we are spending $50,000 on interest every minute, which is money that cannot be spent on essential services;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(e) the persistence in inflation has pushed out the prospect of further interest rate relief with markets now expecting it may be 'one and done', that is, for interest rates to remain at around 3.25 per cent indefinitely, little more than one rate cut lower than the current level; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(f) millions of Australian mortgage holders will have repayments on the average mortgage set to remain at $1,700 higher per month indefinitely under this Government than under the previous Government; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) calls on the Government to reintroduce the quantifiable fiscal rules that every recent government of either political persuasion has adopted, and to heed the calls of leading economists like former Treasury Secretary Ken Henry, and former Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Phillip Lowe, as well as leading international organisations like the International Monetary Fund to introduce such rules.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">40 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">All Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 8 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Notices</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">continued</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">6 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MS BRISKEY:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) acknowledges the enormous changes that artificial intelligence (AI) will create for Australia and Australians;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) welcomes the Government's commitment to ensuring that AI:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) contributes positively to a Future Made in Australia;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) delivers benefits to all Australians, not just a small number of individuals and businesses; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) is developed, deployed and used in a way that keeps Australians safe; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) recognises the work being led by the Government to ensure that Australians are ready to take advantage of AI, including, more than:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) $47 million for the Next Generation Graduate program;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) one million free 'introduction to AI' scholarships delivered from TAFE NSW to give Australians the fundamental skills to adopt and use AI; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) $17 million to create four AI Adopt Centres, which are supporting businesses across the country to use responsible AI enabled services to enhance their businesses.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">20 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Ms Briskey</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 4 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">7 <span style="font-weight:bold;">DR WEBSTER:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) notes that:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) a Royal Automobile Club of Victoria 'My Country Road' survey in July 2024 of over 7,000 Victorians saw 64 per cent of respondents identify potholes and poor road conditions as their top safety issue, up from 46 per cent in 2021;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) a National Transport Research Organisation survey found 91 per cent of Victoria's 8,400 kilometre road network is rated poor or very poor;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) the Audit Office of New South Wales identified in November 2024 that in the last available reporting year the estimated total replacement cost of council road assets across New South Wales was around $102 billion but in the same year local councils reported collective road asset maintenance expenditure of around $1 billion;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) according to the Australian Local Government Association (ALGA), local roads make up 77 per cent of Australia's road network by length, with 678,000 kilometres managed by local governments, only 39 per cent of which are sealed roads;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(e) ALGA president Matt Burnett described the former Government's $3.25 billion Local Roads and Community Infrastructure (LRCI) program as a 'game-changer', adding that 'reinstating the LRCI Program will support every council, and more importantly, provide tangible benefits to every Australian community'.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(f) former ALGA president Linda Scott said in 2023 'making the LRCI permanent would be an investment in Australia's future productivity';</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(g) Local Government Association of South Australia CEO Clinton Jury said the LRCI program 'made a significant, positive impact on our neighbourhoods by uplifting our regional roads—making them safer for everyone'; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(h) despite the very strong endorsements of LRCI and the road maintenance burden on local governments across regional Australia, the Government axed LRCI with final payments due this financial year and have not provided an alternative to make our roads safer and improve regional productivity; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) calls upon the Government to outline how it will fund local roads to improve road safety and productivity for regional Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 28 August 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">40 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Dr Webster</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 8 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">8 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MS COFFEY:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) notes the:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) Government has accepted the Climate Change Authority's independent advice and has set Australia's climate change target at a range of between 62 to 70 per cent on 2005 emissions;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) release of the National Climate Risk Assessment, which found that no Australian community will be immune from climate risks that will be cascading, compounding and concurrent; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) release of the Department of the Treasury's modelling on 18 September, which found Australia's ambitious and achievable plan to reduce emissions will support continued economic growth, higher living standards and employment, including resulting 2.3 million more people being employed by 2035, and Australia's economy being up to $2 trillion worse off cumulatively by 2050 compared to a disorderly transition scenario;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) recognises the Government is delivering on its promises which Australians voted for to act on climate change, upgrade our energy system and seize the economic opportunity before our nation; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) calls on the Opposition to leave the climate wars in the past, solve its internal divisions and join the rest of the Parliament in taking meaningful action on climate change.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 7 October 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">40 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Ms Coffey</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 8 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">9 <span style="font-weight:bold;">MS STANLEY:</span> To move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) notes that:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month and that Wednesday, 15 October 2025 marks Pregnancy and Infant Loss Remembrance Day; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) this day acknowledges the shared loss experienced by parents, friends, and healthcare workers of babies lost through miscarriage, stillbirth, neonatal death;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) acknowledges:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) that there is a significant impact on families who have lost a baby;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) that every year 110,000 Australians experience a miscarriage, more than 2,000 experience stillbirth, and almost 700 lose a baby within the first 28 days;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) that stillbirth occurrence is higher in Aboriginal and culturally diverse communities; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) all families who have experienced loss, either recently or over time; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) commends the Government for providing more than $40 million to organisations to support women and families following stillbirth, neonatal death or miscarriage.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">(Notice given 28 August 2025.)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">25 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Speech time limits</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Ms Stanley</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Other Members</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">5 minutes each.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 5 x 5 mins]</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Time allotted</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">remaining private Members' business time prior to 7.30 pm.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">THE HON D. M. DICK MP</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Speaker of the House of Representatives</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">8 October 2025</span>
                </p>
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    <debate>
      <debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>2149</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">BILLS</span>
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          <title>Home Affairs Legislation Amendment (2025 Measures No. 2) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2149</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Home Affairs Legislation Amendment (2025 Measures No. 2) Bill 2025</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>2149</page.no>
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              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">First Reading</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill and explanatory memorandum presented by <span style="font-weight:bold;">Mr</span><span style="font-weight:bold;"> Burke</span>.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a first time.</span>
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        <subdebate.2>
          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2149</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <page.no>2149</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Burke, Tony MP</name>
                <name.id>DYW</name.id>
                <electorate>Watson</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="DYW" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr BURKE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Watson</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for the Arts, Minister for Home Affairs, Minister for Cyber Security, Minister for Immigration and Citizenship and Leader of the House</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:02</span>):  I move:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Home Affairs Legislation Amendment (2025 Measures No. 2) Bill 2025 amends the Migration Act and Citizenship Act to clarify provisions relating to personal identifiers, and particularly requirements in relation to facial images, to ensure they align with international standards and current biometric technologies and practices.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill also amends the Citizenship Act to address certain residency barriers to Australian citizenship for persons who are seeking to engage in a specified activity that is of benefit to Australia, and who need to be an Australian citizen in order to engage in that activity.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Personal </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">i</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">dentifiers</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The collection of biometric facial images assists the department to mitigate identity fraud, and national security and community safety risks.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">They enable the department to identify individuals who have committed serious crimes in Australia or in partner countries, and prevent the return of certain individuals who have previously been refused a visa, placed in immigration detention, or removed or deported from Australia.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The collection and use of facial images also support efforts to prevent identity fraud in visa and citizenship application processes, and mitigate the risk of human trafficking.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Facial images are also an important part of efficient and secure immigration clearance at the Australian border.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Biometric facial images are used by SmartGates to automate immigration clearance at our major international airports. Approximately 70 per cent of travellers are currently immigration cleared by SmartGates. This supports the Australian Border Force to manage increasing numbers of travellers entering Australia without the need for significant increases in ABF officers. The security benefits and efficiency of biometric facial images enable Border Force to focus the efforts of its officers on identifying persons of interest, protecting the Australian community and enabling legitimate travel and trade.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The last major changes to the department's collection of biometrics were made by the Migration Amendment (Strengthening Biometrics Integrity) Bill 2015. Since then, the international standards have evolved and biometric technologies for facial images have advanced. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The amendments in schedule 1 to this bill will modernise and clarify the provisions of the Migration Act and Citizenship Act that enable the collection of facial images. The amendments will ensure the department collects only what is required for biometric matching purposes. This includes clarifying the collection of facial images by authorised systems such as SmartGates, or through an online application. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The amendments in schedule 1 will ensure the department has express authority to collect and verify facial images whether that image is of a face, face and neck or face and shoulders—in line with international facial image standards and practices in current biometric technology. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Modernising terms and definitions in the legislation for facial images, and bringing them into line with agreed international standards—instead of using outdated terminology—provides greater certainty for the Australian government and individuals going forward regarding a capability that underpins the integrity of the migration system. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 1 to the bill clarifies what constitutes a facial image. It also introduces provisions that clarify how a person's photograph or facial image is provided to a SmartGate or the minister under the act. These amendments will ensure that the department has clear legislative authority to collect what is required for biometric matching purposes, with flexibility reflected in the legislation to align with modern technologies. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The provisions also expressly allow for a SmartGate or the department to derive a photograph or other image of a person's face, in circumstances where more of their body is captured. For example, if a person presents to a SmartGate and the original image includes their upper body. Importantly, the amendments in schedule 1 do not expand on the current collection of facial images or existing powers to collect them—the amendments simply clarify what constitutes a facial image. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The collection and use of facial images is a longstanding feature of Australia's immigration and border management processes and systems. The amendments in schedule 1 therefore also validate past actions taken by the department in relation to facial images collected under the Migration Act and Citizenship Act as in force at the relevant time. This is a commonsense amendment, to make clear that an image of a face and neck (that didn't also include the person's shoulders) is appropriately a personal identifier for the purposes of the legislation. The amendments are clarifying amendments and will not result in any penalties or disadvantage to those who have previously provided facial images. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Special residence requirements for citizenship</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill also the Citizenship Act to amend the minister's personal, discretionary power to determine that a person meets special residence under section 22A of the act. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The amendments in schedule 2 to the bill will address residency barriers to Australian citizenship for persons who are engaging in an activity of benefit to Australia, and who are seeking to become an Australian citizen, but whose overseas absences relating to this activity impact their ability to meet the current general, special or alternative residence requirements. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The amendments will provide the minister with the discretion, under the minister's personal power, to determine that an applicant for Australian citizenship meets the special residency requirement under section 22A of the Citizenship Act, without needing to be satisfied they have been present in Australia for at least 180 days during the period of two years immediately before the day they make their application. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Currently under section 22A(1A) of the act, the minister has a personal, non-compellable power under the special residence requirement in relation to specific activities, where the minister considers that the person engaging in a specified activity would be of benefit to Australia. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These activities are specified in a disallowable legislative instrument made for the purposes of the provision—and include a range of sporting competitions, including the Olympics, Paralympics, international tennis or cricket matches. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">However, in some cases, current provisions have failed to provide for the increased overseas training requirements associated with certain sports. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is resulting in a significant missed opportunity for Australia to harness the significant contributions a person could make in terms of: </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">enhancing Australia's international reputation and </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">providing inspiration and motivation to other athletes and the Australian community at large.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The amendments in Schedule 2 will address this by allowing the minister to exercise the minister's personal power to determine that an applicant for Australian citizenship meets the special residence requirement without needing to be present in Australia for at least 180 days during the period of two years immediately before they made an application.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill also makes a related amendment to remove the requirement that the applicant provides an undertaking that they will be present in Australia for a total of at least 180 days during the two-year period after acquiring Australian citizenship.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To continue to reinforce the importance of presence in Australia as a way of understanding the Australian way of life and the commitment made through the citizenship pledge, the applicant will still be required to provide an undertaking they will be ordinarily resident in Australia for two years immediately after they became an Australian citizen. The bill also makes consequential amendments of other provisions of the act, including associated revocation provisions, to reflect the changes to the undertaking.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Any applicant who applies under the special residence requirements will also continue to be required to meet all other relevant legislative requirements under the Citizenship Act to be approved to become an Australian citizen, including:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">having permanent residence status;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">being of good character; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">passing the citizenship test.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This legislation will ensure there is appropriate flexibility for applicants for Australian citizenship to participate in, for example, overseas training that may be required as part of their specified activity, while still spending sufficient time in Australia to understand the nature of Australian citizenship and the Australian way of life, and to call Australia home.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I commend this bill to the chamber.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Debate adjourned.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Regulatory Reform Omnibus Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2151</page.no>
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            <a href="r7380" type="Bill">
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Regulatory Reform Omnibus Bill 2025</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>2151</page.no>
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              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">First Reading</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill and explanatory memorandum presented by <span style="font-weight:bold;">D</span><span style="font-weight:bold;">r Chalmers</span>.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a first time.</span>
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        <subdebate.2>
          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2151</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <page.no>2151</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Chalmers, Jim MP</name>
                <name.id>37998</name.id>
                <electorate>Rankin</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="37998" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr CHALMERS</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Rankin</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Treasurer</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:11</span>):  I move:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Today, we are proud to introduce the Regulatory Reform Omnibus Bill 2025.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is another important step in implementing our government's agenda to make our economy more dynamic, resilient and productive.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Better regulation was a key focus of the Economic Reform Roundtable we convened earlier this year and a key focus of our second term economic agenda—better regulation that helps Australians get faster and more streamlined access to the essential services they need and deserve; better regulation that gets more investment flowing more efficiently and effectively right across our economy; and better regulation which boosts productivity, to help create more jobs and grow wages for more working Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill is about better regulation, cutting compliance costs and cutting red tape.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One of the outcomes from the roundtable was fast-tracking the introduction of this bill.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Today, we are delivering on that commitment.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's another step in the substantial regulatory agenda we have been pushing forward with pace since the roundtable.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've made a lot of progress since those three days around the cabinet table, from working through 400 ideas to reduce regulatory burden from 38 Commonwealth regulators; to tasking the Council of Financial Regulators to de-clutter and improve regulation in the financial sector, with a priority focus on streamlining and harmonising data collection; and officially opening our Investor Front Door to make it quicker and easier for investors to back big projects that create jobs and opportunities for Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But we also recognise there's still more to do.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That's why we'll also alter statements of expectations for Commonwealth regulators, to emphasise the reduction of red tape and a better balance between outcomes and risk, as well as conduct deep dives for priority sectors to streamline regulation.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The number of measures and government agencies that will be reformed by this bill is emblematic of how widely we are looking across government to improve regulation.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There are 60 measures in this legislation alone.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It amends 28 acts and repeals another two.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">And it will directly affect and improve the operations of 13 government agencies.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These changes will make a meaningful improvement to how Australians and businesses work with these agencies.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">More than this, it will also improve existing regulations to ensure they are fit for purpose and serving the needs of Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill does four key things.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">First, it will help Services Australia shift towards a 'tell-us-once' approach to how it delivers services. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That means Australians won't have to put in their details every time they access a different government service that they need.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Repeatedly asking for the same information only adds stress and delays access to vital services that people rely on and deserve.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As an example, once this bill is passed, we can make changes so when Australians update their Centrelink bank details, Medicare gets them as well.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This will help people claim their unpaid Medicare benefits, which are estimated to total $270 million owed to almost a million Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know it will take time to make this 'tell-us-once' shift, but this bill is a critical step forward.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Secondly, the bill will reduce red tape to improve access to government services.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One meaningful change the bill makes is doubling the amount of time that patients have to access imaging services when they get a referral from a healthcare provider.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">At the moment, when life gets in the way and patients can't access an imaging service, they need to go back to a GP to get the same referral again.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We're changing this.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Thirdly, the bill will help reduce the regulatory burden on Australians and on industry.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One change here will be bringing some legislated document requirements up to date with the digital economy.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">For example, a marriage celebrant is currently required to look at physical documents before a couple can tie the knot.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill will allow secure, suitable digital options to be introduced as well.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It will also enable regulators to communicate better and share more information when it comes to things like offshore gas projects.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">And fourth, the bill will help increase government efficiency and improve productivity by giving the Minister for Climate Change and Energy additional flexibility to respond to temporary critical fuel shortages so companies can tap into their fuel stocks if they need to; by making NBN's mapping data available for public use by other businesses and industry; and making it easier to buy smarter appliances that use energy when electricity is cheapest, like hot water systems that heat water for your evening shower while the sun is still shining.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I wanted to take the opportunity to pay tribute to my colleague and friend Senator Katy Gallagher, Minister for Finance, Women, the Public Service and Government Services.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">She has been the driving force behind this bill, she has done so much work to make this bill a reality and I'm proud to be introducing it to the House today on her behalf and on behalf of our colleagues.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I thank her for all of her work in bringing together contributions from right across government into this legislation.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Regulation should be there to protect Australians and empower them, not weigh them down.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill is about making sure the rules of our economy are working for Australians, not holding them back.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">So Australians who need help from Medicare can spend more time in front of a doctor, and less time resharing their information.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">And so we can boost productivity to help create more jobs and lift living standards for working Australians in all corners of this country.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We do understand there is more work to be done.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But this bill is another step forward in making sure regulation supports growth, not hinders it—regulation that meets the opportunities and challenges of a global economy which is churning and changing.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Full details of the measures are contained in the explanatory memorandum.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I thank and commend this bill to the House.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Debate adjourned.</span>
                </p>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Criminal Code Amendment (State Sponsors of Terrorism) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2152</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Criminal Code Amendment (State Sponsors of Terrorism) Bill 2025</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>2152</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">First Reading</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill and explanatory memorandum presented by <span style="font-weight:bold;">Ms </span><span style="font-weight:bold;">Rowland</span>.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a first time.</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2152</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <page.no>2152</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Rowland, Michelle MP</name>
                <name.id>159771</name.id>
                <electorate>Greenway</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="159771" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms ROWLAND</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Greenway</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Attorney-General</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:19</span>):  I move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese government's top priority is to keep our community safe from those who seek to do us harm.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">On 26 August, the Prime Minister delivered a sobering announcement that Australia is not immune from the actions of malicious foreign actors who seek to undermine our safety, security and social cohesion through state sponsored terrorism.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Informed by the expert assessments of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, the government announced that Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had directed at least two antisemitic attacks on Australian soil—deliberately seeking to stoke division and undermine the very values all Australians hold dear.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These attacks were extraordinary.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">They were abhorrent.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">They have absolutely no place in a modern, multicultural and multifaith country like Australia.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These two state sponsored attacks targeting Jewish Australians on Australian soil represent a turning point in our experience of terrorism.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">While these attacks may have been targeted to one part of our community, they were attacks on our sovereignty and our collective way of life.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These were attacks against all Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The evolving threats against Australia must not go unchallenged.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This parliament must respond to them swiftly and unequivocally, unified in our shared understanding that protecting Australians and Australia must be an issue above politics.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">The terrorism threat</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Terrorism is unlike any other crime in its ability to impact our community.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It is deliberately targeted to undermine the values we hold dear, intimidate the public, and tear at our social fabric.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The threat of terrorism has shaped our national security landscape, global interactions, and our collective sense of safety.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That threat continues to evolve, including as a result of the rise of international terrorist organisations and the ease at which hateful ideologies can be disseminated online.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">State sponsored terrorist acts in Australia add a frightening new complexity to this landscape.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But it is one which we must stand against resolutely—as we have with the challenges that have come before.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our national security frameworks for responding to terrorism are strong and have served us well to date. However—in recognition that terrorism has generally not been the purview of state actors—it has long been understood that the existing listing framework does not apply to a body politic.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In response to these recent developments, the law must continue to adapt.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Criminal Code Amendment (State Sponsors of Terrorism) Bill 2025, which I introduce today, does exactly that.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">The bill</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill amends the Criminal Code to introduce a new part 5.3A to provide a framework to list foreign state entities as state sponsors of terrorism and respond to state sponsored terrorist acts.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Responding to the actions of state sponsors of terrorism presents unique security challenges and foreign policy considerations, and therefore requires a framework which is specifically designed, including appropriate safeguards on its operation.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The government has taken the necessary time to get this framework right, working constructively across portfolios and across jurisdictions to establish a robust scheme that is appropriately balanced and targeted.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill will allow a foreign state entity to be listed as a state sponsor of terrorism where they have directly or indirectly engaged in, or otherwise supported or advocated for, the doing of terrorist acts targeted at Australia.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The consideration of the listing of particular entities under this framework sits separately to the parliament's consideration of this bill and will be appropriately considered by the responsible minister following passage.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This new framework is supported by the introduction of a range of criminal offences, mirroring those that exist for terrorism and in relation to terrorist organisations currently.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These new offences will criminalise engaging in, and making preparations for, a state terrorist act targeting Australia, as well as state sponsors of terrorism providing support to non-state actors that engage in terrorism targeting Australia.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">New offences will also be introduced which criminalise certain interactions with state sponsors of terrorism, including being a member of those entities, and providing them support or training.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These offences will be accompanied by appropriate defences and safeguards, recognising that—given their function as an entity of a state—there may be legitimate circumstances where an individual has no option but to engage with a listed entity.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill will also make consequential amendments across the statute book to ensure that state sponsored terrorism is treated in a consistent manner to other terrorist acts.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Critically, law enforcement and intelligence agencies will be provided with the same powers to respond to, and prevent, state sponsored terrorism as they currently have in relation to terrorism.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Noting that the extension of these powers are subject to an intergovernmental agreement between the Commonwealth and the states and territories, I want to acknowledge the constructive engagement between all levels of government since the Prime Minister's announcement in late August.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is the federation working at its best to keep Australians safe.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I thank both my counterparts and comparable departments and agencies within state and territory jurisdictions for their engagement with the Attorney-General's Department in the formulation of this bill.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Conclusion</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As our security environment changes, it is incumbent on the parliament to respond to new and emerging threats in a firm yet measured manner.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill achieves that balance.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill will strengthen Australia's counter-terrorism framework, creating an environment in which it is more difficult, more risky, and more costly for malicious foreign actors to seek to cause Australia and our community harm.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It is a warning for any foreign state who seeks to intimidate or coerce us through violence.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In introducing and seeking passage of this bill, the government is standing with all Australians against hatred, violence and division, and I urge the entire parliament to do the same.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I commend the bill to the House.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Debate adjourned.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Commonwealth Parole Board Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2154</page.no>
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            <a href="r7385" type="Bill">
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Commonwealth Parole Board Bill 2025</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>2154</page.no>
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          <subdebate.text>
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              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">First Reading</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill and explanatory memorandum to this bill, and to the Commonwealth Parole Board (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2025, presented by <span style="font-weight:bold;">Ms </span><span style="font-weight:bold;">Rowland</span>.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a first time.</span>
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        <subdebate.2>
          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2154</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <page.no>2154</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Rowland, Michelle MP</name>
                <name.id>159771</name.id>
                <electorate>Greenway</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="159771" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms ROWLAND</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Greenway</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Attorney-General</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:27</span>):  I move:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Introduction</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Australians rightly expect that the release of offenders from custody into the community will be managed as safely as possible.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That is why the Australian government is establishing an independent Commonwealth Parole Board—because decisions about whether convicted federal offenders are released into the community on parole, and the conditions under which they are released, should be made by law enforcement and other community safety experts, not by politicians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Commonwealth Parole Board will bring together experts from a range of professions and experience, including law, law enforcement, corrective services, victims-of-crime advocates, psychologists and other community safety experts. The board of experts will replace the Attorney-General as the decision-maker on whether to release federal offenders on parole.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The highest priority for the Commonwealth Parole Board will be community safety. This important reform will strengthen the Australian public's trust and confidence in the federal parole system by ensuring that parole decisions are made by experts who are best placed to make robust assessments of risk when considering the protection of the community.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know parole can keep the community safer.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It means that mandatory controls and mandatory supervision are in place for an offender in the community, which otherwise might not be available at the end of someone's sentence. Supervision on parole also allows for early detection of reoffending if it does occur. Those on parole are subject to strict supervision conditions which are informed by the advice of corrective services and law enforcement agencies.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Now is the right time to establish a Commonwealth Parole Board.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There are approximately 1,200 federal offenders currently serving sentences across every state and territory in Australia—which is more than the prison populations of the ACT and Tasmania combined.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The number of federal parole decisions has been rising every year. In 2024 to 2025 there were over 530 federal parole or parole related decisions. This number has increased from 463 in 2023 to 2024 and has been increasing at a rate of five to 15 percent per year.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Currently, the Attorney-General, and delegates within the Attorney-General's Department, are responsible for making decisions about the release of federal offenders on parole.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Historically, this arrangement has been fit for purpose, due to the small numbers of federal offenders and nature of the cohort, which has traditionally comprised offences against the Commonwealth, such as social services fraud.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The makeup and complexity of the federal offender cohort has changed over time. This cohort now includes increasing numbers of offenders who pose a direct risk to community safety, such as terrorists and child sex offenders.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That is why the government is establishing an independent Commonwealth Parole Board. This will ensure that decisions about the release and management of federal offenders are made by people who have the appropriate skills and experience to make the decisions about an offender's prospects of rehabilitation and reintegration into the community, and ultimately the risks they pose to community safety.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There is overwhelming and widespread stakeholder support for an independent parole board. The board responds to and aligns with recommendations of the Australian Law Reform Commission, the Law Council of Australia and National Legal Aid. It is also welcomed by victims support groups and legal advocacy organisations.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The reform also brings the federal parole system into step with best practice approaches in the states and territories, as well as Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, who all have statutory parole authorities independent from government.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">The Commonwealth Parole Board Bill</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This Commonwealth Parole Board Bill will establish a Commonwealth Parole Board as a secondary statutory structure in the Attorney-General's portfolio. The members of the board will be independent statutory office holders.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill sets out the objectives of the Commonwealth Parole Board, which are to:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">establish the board </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">set out its membership and decision-making arrangements, and</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">provide a framework and structure for the Board to make independent, risk informed decisions about the conditional release and management of federal offenders and other detained persons in accordance with part 1B of the Crimes Act 1914.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The parole framework and the management of federal offenders will remain largely the same as they currently are in the Crimes Act. The main change is to replace the Attorney-General with the board as the decision-maker for parole. The purpose of parole will continue to be the rehabilitation and reintegration of federal offenders, and the protection of the community.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The board will retain discretion to consider all information that is known and relevant to a decision. The board, and its staff, will have appropriate information-sharing powers to enable them to request and use relevant information to support their decision-making.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The board will also make all parole decisions, including in relation to terrorism offenders. The bill will not change the statutory prohibition against parole for terrorist offenders. There is a very high threshold that must be met for a terrorism offender to be granted parole, and parole can only be granted if there are exceptional circumstances justifying the release. That won't change.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Establishment of the Commonwealth Parole Board</span>
                  </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill sets out the membership of the board which will consist of a chair, deputy chair and at least three sessional members.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">All members of the board will be appointed by the Governor-General for up to five-year terms, on the recommendation of the Attorney-General. When making these recommendations, the Attorney-General must ensure that members of the board have the appropriate qualifications, experience, or knowledge to make decisions about a federal offender's prospects of rehabilitation and reintegration and the risks they pose to community safety.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">At least one of the chair or deputy chair must have significant legal experience, to ensure they have the legal skills and expertise required to ensure that the broad discretion conferred on the board is exercised consistently with the framework in part 1B of the Crimes Act and in accordance with procedural fairness.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When recommending appointments to the board, the Attorney-General must also ensure that the board possesses an appropriate mix of qualifications, experience and knowledge and reflects, as closely as possible, the composition of the Australian community at large. Many parts of the Australian community have different experiences of the criminal justice system, either as victims or offenders. It is important that the board's membership includes individuals who have a diverse range of skills, expertise, lived experience and knowledge of the needs of people, and groups of people, significantly affected by the board's decisions. This includes, but is not limited to, expertise in law enforcement, the criminal justice system, the effective reintegration of offenders, community issues such as substance abuse or mental health issues, and the impact of offences on victims.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Transparency and oversight</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To reinforce the board's independence, the bill explicitly states that the board is not subject to direction from anyone in performing or exercising its functions or powers. The independence of the board is to ensure decisions made under this bill are not subject to any real or perceived influence from the government or any other persons.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill ensures that only the Governor-General can terminate members of the board, and only for serious matters including misbehaviour, incapacity, bankruptcy and extended unexplained absence. This further enshrines the independence of board members and limits political interference in their tenure.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To further support the transparency, accountability and independence of the board's functions, the chair will be required to develop an annual report, to be tabled in parliament, on the board's performance and its functions.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill also provides for a legislative review to commence three years after the board's commencement. The review will consider whether the parole framework is fit for purpose and review the composition, operation and decision-making processes of the board. The review will ensure that the board can continue to make decisions in an efficient and effective manner and ensure the new board can address any unforeseen issues that may arise.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Conclusion</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill reflects the Australian government's commitment to strengthening standards of integrity across all public institutions and will support greater public confidence within the broader criminal justice system. It delivers on a commitment made prior to the 2025 election by the former attorney-general, the Hon. Mark Dreyfus KC MP, and I would like to acknowledge his work in bringing this important reform forward.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Parole is a key part of the criminal justice system, and it is well documented that the supervision of offenders in the community under strict controls minimises reoffending.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This important criminal justice reform will make the community safer by ensuring that parole decisions are made by independent experts who are best placed to make the robust assessments of risk required to protect the community. I commend the bill to the House.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Debate adjourned.</span>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Commonwealth Parole Board (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2156</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Commonwealth Parole Board (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2025</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>2156</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">First Reading</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill presented by <span style="font-weight:bold;">Ms </span><span style="font-weight:bold;">Rowland</span>.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a first time.</span>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2156</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <page.no>2156</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Rowland, Michelle MP</name>
                <name.id>159771</name.id>
                <electorate>Greenway</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="159771" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms ROWLAND</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Greenway</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Attorney-General</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:37</span>):  I move:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Introduction</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Commonwealth Parole Board (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2025 makes consequential amendments to part 1B of the Crimes Act 1914, to support the establishment and functions of the Commonwealth Parole Board.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill replaces the Attorney-General as the decision-maker for federal offenders, and other detainees, within part 1B of the Crimes Act.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The consequential amendments will ensure the board has the key decision-making powers to function effectively and efficiently. This includes the power to make, refuse to make, or amend parole orders for federal offenders, and to deal with other relevant decisions, including release on licence orders, breaches and revocation of parole or licence orders, overseas travel requests, and the ability to amend orders in certain circumstances.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Many of the arrangements for the board that are dealt with in the bill would generally apply to the board in the way they currently apply to the Attorney-General.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill does, however, make some key changes to parole decision-making to align with best-practice approaches in states and territories and internationally. These amendments provide the board with flexibility to ensure that decisions are made effectively and efficiently, while still retaining statutory protections and timeframes for people to be considered for parole.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Currently, the Crimes Act requires the decision-maker to consider an offender for parole before the end of the non-parole period set by the court and reconsider an offender within every 12 months after any refusal of parole. There is currently no discretion available for a decision-maker to defer a parole decision for any reason.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This can have the perverse effect of delaying or preventing rehabilitation or reintegration outcomes for offenders.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">For example, currently a decision-maker may be required to make a decision where the offender would otherwise be recommended for parole, but suitable accommodation is not yet finalised.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Or a decision-maker may require further information to support a decision but cannot obtain that information ahead of the statutory consideration date and be required to make the decision on insufficient information.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There are also circumstances where there are clear factors for a refusal that will take longer than 12 months for an offender to address, such as sex offender treatment programs that take up to 18 months to complete. However, due to the 12-month statutory reconsideration date, a decision-maker is required to reconsider that offender for parole before they've had a chance to complete their treatment.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To address these issues, part 1B of the Crimes Act will be amended to provide the board with discretion to:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">defer the initial parole consideration, or a reconsideration, for up to three months</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">if the board refuses parole, set a date for reconsideration that is more than 12 months after the date of refusal, but no more than 24 months</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">allow the board to interview an offender to hear directly from them and seek any further information they require to inform their decision.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These amendments will provide the board the necessary discretion to manage statutory deadlines. This flexibility will ensure procedural fairness is afforded to federal defenders during the decision-making process. This includes providing the offender the opportunity to address factors or provide further information that, without this new discretion, may have resulted in a refusal decision on their application.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These changes to the existing parole framework strike the balance between providing the board with the flexibility to manage parole consideration timeframes effectively and efficiently, while maintaining the statutory protection of regular parole reconsiderations for offenders.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill also includes transitional provisions to ensure the transfer of parole decision-making functions from the Attorney-General to the new Commonwealth Parole Board occurs seamlessly and does not impact the operations of state and territory corrective services or law enforcement agencies. I commend the bill to the House.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Debate adjourned.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Excise Tariff Amendment (Draught Beer) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2157</page.no>
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              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Excise Tariff Amendment (Draught Beer) Bill 2025</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>2157</page.no>
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">First Reading</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill and explanatory memorandum to this bill, and to the Customs Tariff Amendment (Draught Beer) Bill 2025, presented by <span style="font-weight:bold;">D</span><span style="font-weight:bold;">r</span><span style="font-weight:bold;"> Mulino</span>.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a first time.</span>
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        <subdebate.2>
          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2157</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <page.no>2157</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Mulino, Daniel MP</name>
                <name.id>132880</name.id>
                <electorate>Fraser</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="132880" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr MULINO</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fraser</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Treasurer and Minister for Financial Services</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:43</span>):  I move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Australians have always known how to come together—around the kitchen table for a cuppa, over a snag at your mate's birthday barbecue or cheering from the sidelines at the kids' Saturday netball game.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill delivers another reason for Australians to come together.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill delivers on the government's commitment in the 2025-26 budget to freeze the indexation on draught beer excise for two years.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill is a win for beer drinkers, brewers and every pub, club and hospitality business across the country.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to put on the public record that, as Assistant Treasurer, I see it as a key part of my role to support liquid markets.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">For many Australians, the local pub isn't just a place to have a drink.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's where the community meets.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's where people unwind after a week of hard work, where mates catch up, where you celebrate your team's win.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's where tourists get their first real taste of the real Australia—and learn that we don't drink Fosters and there's much better beer on tap from top-notch local brewers.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Keeping those places strong matters. They employ hundreds of thousands of people and play a big part in local life.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This pause is about giving pubs, clubs and breweries a bit more certainty—delivering around $100 million of support.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Under longstanding arrangements, beer excise is indexed twice a year—every February and August. Those increases are automatic, and keep taxes in line with CPI.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This legislation pauses those biannual increases for draught beer from 1 August 2025 through to 31 July 2027.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The excise will then resume indexation from that paused rate in August 2027.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's a moderate and targeted measure, but one with real impact.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It builds on the broader tax relief we announced earlier this year for Australia's brewers, distillers and winemakers that are not only central to our culture and way of life, but also to jobs, innovation and exports.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Currently all eligible brewers, distillers and winemakers can get a tax remission under the scheme up to a cap of $350,000.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The government is also increasing these caps to $400,000 per financial year from 1 July 2026, under legislation we have recently consulted on.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">From Burnie's whisky to Burdekin rum, from Brisbane beer to Barossa shiraz—producers right across the country will benefit.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These measures are practical, targeted support that makes a real difference in the lives of pub owners and pub goers alike.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">And I look forward to visiting pubs in as many electorates as possible so that I can carry out the important task of post-legislative implementation assessments.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The measure in this bill was previously moved as Excise Tariff Proposal (No. 1) 2025 on 24 July 2025. Consistent with normal parliamentary practice, the excise tariff proposal now requires incorporation in the Excise Tariff Act.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill is complemented by the Customs Tariff Amendment (Draught Beer) Bill 2025.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill makes the same changes to Australia's excise laws.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Full details of the measure are contained in the explanatory memorandum.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Debate adjourned.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Customs Tariff Amendment (Draught Beer) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2158</page.no>
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        <subdebate.text>
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            <a href="r7377" type="Bill">
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Customs Tariff Amendment (Draught Beer) Bill 2025</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>2158</page.no>
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          <subdebate.text>
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              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">First Reading</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill presented by <span style="font-weight:bold;">D</span><span style="font-weight:bold;">r</span><span style="font-weight:bold;"></span><span style="font-weight:bold;">M</span><span style="font-weight:bold;">uli</span><span style="font-weight:bold;">n</span><span style="font-weight:bold;">o</span>.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a first time.</span>
              </p>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2158</page.no>
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          <subdebate.text>
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              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
              </p>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2158</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Mulino, Daniel MP</name>
                <name.id>132880</name.id>
                <electorate>Fraser</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="132880" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr MULINO</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fraser</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Treasurer and Minister for Financial Services</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:47</span>):  I move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The government is delivering on its 2025-26 budget commitment to freeze the indexation on draught beer excise for two years.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The measure in this bill was previously moved as Customs Tariff Proposal (No. 1) 2025 on 24 July 2025.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Consistent with normal parliamentary practice, the customs tariff proposal now requires incorporation in the Customs Tariff Act.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill is complemented by the Excise Tariff Amendment (Draught Beer) Bill 2025.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Full details of the measure are contained in the explanatory memorandum.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Debate adjourned.</span>
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      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Defence Amendment (Parliamentary Joint Committee on Defence) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2159</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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            <a href="r7378" type="Bill">
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Defence Amendment (Parliamentary Joint Committee on Defence) Bill 2025</span>
              </p>
            </a>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>2159</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo>
          <subdebate.text>
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              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">First Reading</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill and explanatory memorandum presented by <span style="font-weight:bold;">Mr</span><span style="font-weight:bold;"> Kh</span><span style="font-weight:bold;">a</span><span style="font-weight:bold;">lil</span>.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a first time.</span>
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        </subdebate.2>
        <subdebate.2>
          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2159</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo>
          <subdebate.text>
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              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2159</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Khalil, Peter MP</name>
                <name.id>101351</name.id>
                <electorate>Wills</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="101351" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr KHALIL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Wills</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Defence</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:49</span>):  I move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Today I rise in support of the Albanese Labor government's Defence Amendment (Parliamentary Joint Committee on Defence) Bill 2025, which will establish a parliamentary joint committee on Defence. This bill ensures that departments entrusted with extraordinary powers are subject to extraordinary accountability. In a time of evolving security threats, it has never been more important to maintain rigorous, independent oversight of our defence community.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill delivers on recommendations that were set out and made by the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade to establish a committee which is purely focused on Defence. Recommendations tabled by the JSCFADT uncovered existing parliamentary oversight and accountability measures for Defence to be inadequate in balancing accountability, transparency and national security considerations. This bill seeks to amend these issues and give Australians greater trust in parliamentary oversight functions.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">By amending the Defence Act, this bill seeks to create a committee which will oversee the Australian Defence Force, the Department of Defence, the Department of Veterans' Affairs, and key Defence portfolio agencies, including the Australian Submarine Agency, Defence Housing Australia and the Australian War Memorial.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In terms of functions, the committee will be able to:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">consider publicly released documents dealing with Australian defence strategies, planning and contingencies, such as the biennial National Defence Strategy;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">scrutinise Australia's defence capability development, acquisitions and sustainment, including the Integrated Investment Program;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">examine and be apprised of war or warlike operations and ongoing conflicts, in the event of a decision by the executive to enter into armed conflict; and</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Bullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Bullet">monitor the involvement of Australian defence agencies in significant non-conflict operations domestically and internationally.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The PJCD will be able to receive and consider classified information in carrying out its oversight functions. This will ensure it has the information needed to conduct effective scrutiny of Defence and its portfolio agencies, thereby strengthening government decision-making on defence and strategic policy.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Importantly, the bill establishes appropriate safeguards that balance the government's commitment to greater public accountability and transparency for Defence, and the necessary protection of information provided to the PJCD to ensure Australia's national security, and that of our international partners, is protected.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The PJCD can receive referrals on matters from ministers and either house of parliament, and may also undertake own-initiative inquiries relevant to its oversight functions.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In recognition of the significance of establishing a royal commission, the PJCD will be responsible for monitoring and reviewing, on an ongoing basis, the Australian government's response to the findings of any royal commission inquiries relating to Defence.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To ensure the independent regulators in the Defence portfolio are able to fulfil their statutory functions, the PJCD will also consider the operations, resources, independence and performance of the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force and the Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Regulator.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The functions of the new committee will not extend to matters that fall within the jurisdiction of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security. This includes oversight. It will remain the responsibility of the PJCIS to have oversight of the Australian Signals Directorate, the Australian Geospatial-Intelligence Organisation and the Defence Intelligence Organisation, which will continue to report to the PJCIS.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It will supersede, however, and enhance the Defence related functions currently undertaken by the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade. That's the subcommittee that exists in that larger committee.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The existing arrangements for Defence oversight by the Senate Standing Committees on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade, including the examination of legislation and of the Defence budget through the Senate estimates process, will remain unchanged.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Similarly, the establishment of the PJCD does not prohibit other committees, such as the statutory Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit, from examining Defence matters as part of its functions.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The new committee will complement these existing arrangements by providing additional oversight of Defence matters that require consideration in a classified setting.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In terms of the constitution of the committee, as with the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security, the Prime Minister, in consultation with the Leader of the Opposition, will appoint up to 13 members to the new committee.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This includes no more than seven government members and six non-government members from both houses of parliament.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The arrangements for information handling are modelled on those that apply to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Committee proceedings will be conducted in a private and appropriately secure setting, unless the minister has authorised public hearings, with the exception of the PJCD's consideration of the annual reports of Defence agencies.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The new committee will be able to request and receive classified information and briefings in order to perform its functions. For certain categories of protected information—for example, specific information about highly sensitive military capabilities, tactics, techniques or procedures—the minister would need to authorise the production of the information to the committee.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The minister would also need to authorise any subsequent disclosure by the PJCD of that information, including in reports to the parliament.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">If necessary, to prevent a witness from disclosing operationally sensitive or other protected information, the minister can issue a certificate to prevent the provision of such evidence or documents.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Given the safeguards in place to support the provision of information to the PJCD, these powers are not intended for routine use. Rather, they are reserved for rare circumstances where disclosure of highly sensitive information could cause significant harm.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill establishes a range of criminal offences to deter members of the PJCD, their staff, committee staff, and any other individuals who receive protected information in connection with the performance of the committee's functions from disclosing or publishing information without specific authorisation from the relevant minister.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It also includes offences designed to protect witnesses who are requested to provide evidence or documents to the PJCD.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These offences and penalties in the bill are reasonable, necessary, and proportionate, ensuring the new committee can access the information required to exercise effective oversight of the Defence portfolio, while maintaining the confidentiality and security of that information.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The strong legal safeguards in place are designed to uphold the integrity of the PJCD's work and ensure that all participants are subject to clear obligations and serious consequences for any breach.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Australians know that the Albanese Labor government is delivering when it comes to our national security and defence.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That's why we have made the biggest peacetime increase in defence spending in Australia's history, providing what is now an additional $70 billion for defence capability over the decade.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">And, every time we get up and make another announcement, that number only grows. We are constantly looking at what our needs are based on the strategic landscape we face and how we may resource these needs effectively.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In one term, we have announced $12 billion toward Henderson to deliver continuous naval shipbuilding in Western Australia and make AUKUS a reality.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That's going to support 10,000 direct jobs over the next two decades as well as provide opportunities for businesses across the state.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We're investing $4.5 billion for key defence upgrades, including $2 billion for air base upgrades across the Northern Territory, Queensland and Cocos Islands; $1 billion to upgrade land and joint estate capabilities; and $750 million for critical infrastructure upgrades and facilities works at RAAF Base Townsville.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I was just up there recently as we welcomed the new Apache helicopters and the infrastructure that we're building to make that a success.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There is $600 million for the maritime bases, including HMAS <span style="font-style:italic;">Coonawarra</span><span style="font-style:italic;"></span>and HMAS <span style="font-style:italic;">Cairns</span>, and $200 million to fast-track what are existing programs.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We're also investing in a new era for defence capabilities, which includes the introduction of the Australian Army's new Apache helicopters, a sovereign autonomous undersea capability through the Ghost Shark program and the delivery of a larger and more lethal surface combatant fleet with the selection of the upgraded Japanese Mogami class frigates.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our government, the Albanese government, will continue to increase defence spending to record levels to deliver the capabilities that Australia needs.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These investments are part of the government's commitment to building our sovereign defence industry and supporting a future made in Australia.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That's why I'm standing here today in support of this bill—because we will always follow through with our commitments.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">From my experiences during my time as Chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security—I have colleagues here who were on that committee—we understand the importance of parliamentary oversight.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Even as members of the executive, it is important that the parliament and parliamentarians have the ability to do the oversight, conduct the inquiries and do the work necessary to ensure we have transparency and accountability.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The PJCIS provides an important forum for vigorous debate, analysis and engagement, with topics on critical national security issues which can be considered.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm very cognisant of the important role the intelligence and security committee has played in doing the necessary work in an atmosphere that is conducive to the national interest rather than partisan political pointscoring.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The intelligence and security committee provides a platform for MPs across Australia to make informed recommendations on classified issues without being a member of the executive government.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Similarly, the new defence committee will allow MPs to express their views on these issues integral to the national security of our country.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The ability to platform these views of our citizens on critical issues is the cornerstone of our democratic society, and, the better informed our parliamentarians are on defence, the better it is for the public debate.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The PJCD that we seek to create not only replicates the integral core principles of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security but is world's best practice for parliamentary oversight and accountability on defence.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In conclusion, our government is acting on the longstanding recommendations of the JFADT to establish a defence committee. Our government's primary commitment is to keeping Australians safe.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our strategic environment becomes inevitably more volatile and complex—we know that—and Australia needs enduring infrastructure ingrained within our parliament to ensure all of our departments and agencies are complying with the rule of law.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill strikes the right balance between safeguarding our national security and upholding the democratic principles that define us.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">With this legislation we reinforce the message that strong security must go hand in hand with strong oversight, and Labor proudly stands behind that principle today.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I would hope that those opposite seek to support this bill, as they similarly did when it was first introduced in our last term of parliament before it was knocked back. I hope they will provide that support given the non-partisan or bipartisan commitment that we have to our national interests and our national security.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Leader of the Opposition is quoted as wanting to do things differently this term. I hope that's the case. I hope there is a collaborative, bipartisan approach that they will take into the debate on this bill and that it will translate into support for this important bill—one that is critical to the national security oversight and transparency mechanisms of this parliament, and one that should be above partisan politics and petty pointscoring. Those opposite, I would hope, should take the opportunity to be acting in the best interests of Australia's security, because this bill actually improves both transparency and accountability.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The safeguards we are proposing around the operation of this new committee mirror those of the intelligence security committee. It has had support from the opposition in the past. I want to see that support again today.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I commend this bill to the House.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Debate adjourned.</span>
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      <debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>2162</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">COMMITTEES</span>
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          <title>Public Works Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>2162</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Public Works Joint Committee</span>
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            <title>Reference</title>
            <page.no>2162</page.no>
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                <page.no>2162</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Leigh, Andrew Keith MP</name>
                <name.id>BU8</name.id>
                <electorate>Fenner</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="BU8" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr LEIGH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fenner</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Productivity, Competition, Charities and Treasury</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:02</span>):  I move:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That, in accordance with the provisions of the <span style="font-style:italic;">Public Works Committee Act 1969</span>, the following proposed work be referred to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works for consideration and report: Attorney-General's Department—Proposed fit-out of existing leased premises at 3-5 National Circuit, Barton, Australian Capital Territory.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Attorney-General's Department is proposing to fit out existing leased premises at 3-5 National Circuit, Barton, ACT to enable the department to consolidate from three buildings into one in Canberra. The scope of works includes a new reception area, shared meeting facilities, demolition of existing modular and fixed built form on the work floors, construction of new enclosed spaces and workstations, new staff amenities including kitchens and breakout spaces, and the reconfiguration or replacement of building services. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The estimated total cost of the works is $39.93 million dollars excluding GST. The works must be referred to, considered by and reported on to both houses of the parliament by the public works committee before work may commence. Subject to parliamentary approval, the works are expected to commence in June 2026 for completion in December 2027. I commend the motion to the House. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Question agreed to.</span>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Triple Zero Ecosystem Select Committee</title>
          <page.no>2162</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Triple Zero Ecosystem Select Committee</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Appointment</title>
            <page.no>2162</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Appointment</span>
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                <page.no>2162</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
                <name.id>281513</name.id>
                <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="281513" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mrs McINTOSH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lindsay</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:03</span>):  I move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That so much of the standing and sessional orders be suspended as would prevent the Member for Lindsay moving the following motion immediately:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) a select committee, to be known as the House Select Committee on the Triple Zero Ecosystem, be appointed to inquire into and report on the health of the triple zero ecosystem;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) the committee consist of eight members: five Members to be nominated by the Government Whip, and three Members to be nominated by the Opposition Whip or by any crossbench Member;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) every nomination of a member be notified in writing to the Speaker of the House of Representatives;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(4) the committee may proceed to the dispatch of business notwithstanding that not all members have been duly nominated and appointed and notwithstanding any vacancy;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(5) the members of the committee hold office as a select committee until presentation of the committee's final report or until the House of Representatives is dissolved or expires by effluxion of time, whichever is the earlier;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(6) the committee present its final report no later than 8 December 2025;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(7) the committee elect a Government member as its chair;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(8) the committee elect a non-Government member as its deputy chair to act as chair of the committee at any time when the chair is not present at a meeting of the committee;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(9) at any time when the chair and deputy chair are not present at a meeting of the committee, the members present shall elect another member to act as chair at that meeting;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(10) in the event of an equally divided vote, the chair, or the deputy chair when acting as chair, have a casting vote;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(11) three members of the committee constitute a quorum of the committee;</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(12) the committee have power to appoint subcommittees, consisting of three or more of its members, and to refer to any subcommittee any matter which the committee is empowered to examine;</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(13) the committee appoint the chair of each subcommittee who shall have a casting vote only;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(14) two members of a subcommittee constitute the quorum of that subcommittee;</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(15) members of the committee who are not members of a subcommittee may participate in the proceedings of that subcommittee but shall not vote, move any motion or be counted for the purpose of a quorum;</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(16) the committee or any subcommittee have power to:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11.35pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) call for witnesses to attend and for documents to be produced;</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11.35pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) conduct proceedings at any place it sees fit;</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11.35pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(c) sit in public or in private;</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11.35pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(d) report from time to time; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11.35pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(e) adjourn from time to time and to sit during any adjournment of the House of Representatives; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(17) the provisions of this resolution, so far as they are inconsistent with the standing orders, have effect notwithstanding anything contained in the standing orders.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This should be an uncontroversial motion, so I will be relatively brief. Standing and sessional orders must be suspended so that this House can have a vote on whether to establish a parliamentary inquiry into the triple 0 ecosystem. It's as simple as this: do we, as members representing our communities across Australia, which is on the cusp of bushfire season, want more scrutiny of this vital emergency service, or less? If we do, the committee's work can start today and this House can work together to ensure all Australians can have confidence in triple 0. If not, members voting no must be prepared to explain why they don't support robust oversight of this vital life-saving service by our nation's parliament.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The opposition have been consistent. We have repeatedly called for a thorough investigation into the health of our nation's emergency call service. In light of the gross and tragic mismanagement of the Minister for Communications and the recent Optus network outages, this is a necessity. A formal parliamentary inquiry has special powers which no other inquiry currently underway has. It can compel witnesses; it can hear evidence in private sessions and travel across the country to hear directly from Australians. It is not a tick-and-flick exercise either. The work and findings of a parliamentary inquiry are fulsome and frank. These are essential qualities which the other inquiries kicked off by the minister and the telcos may not have.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I envisage that the object of this motion, a select House committee, would be able to hear directly, for example, from affected emergency service personnel and telecommunications experts. This may be inconvenient for the government, but, as they have sought to put the blame for the tragic outages solely on Optus, I would have thought they would welcome some additional scrutiny and transparency.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In view of the Minister for Communications being new to the job, the opposition is working in the national interest. We allowed for the triple 0 custodian bill to be introduced yesterday without notice, and, despite the fact that it is against the conventions of this place, debate on this bill will resume later this morning. I pause here to say that we support this bill being wrapped up before the House rises tomorrow.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's our job as parliamentarians to do the hard work, to get across our briefs and to not go missing in action when the going gets tough. Our communities expect us, given the shocking triple 0 outages, to apply the blowtorch to the entire system, and that's exactly what this motion tries to do. I call on those opposite, especially the Minister for Communications, to join with the opposition in a bipartisan way, and in the national interest, to support this motion for the establishment of a parliamentary inquiry into the triple 0 ecosystem.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="F2S" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Scrymgour</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  Is there a seconder for this motion?</span>
                </p>
              </body>
            </talk.text>
            <interjection>
              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2163</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Scrymgour, Marion MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>F2S</name.id>
                  <electorate>Lingiari</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
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                  <first.speech />
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              <talk.text>
              </talk.text>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2163</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
                <name.id>281688</name.id>
                <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
                <party>NATS</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="281688" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr WEBSTER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mallee</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:09</span>):  I second the motion. Bushfire season is upon us in regional Australia, and the indications are that it could be a bad one, so reliable connectivity to triple 0 is absolutely critical to saving lives in the bush. That is why the haste in clearing up this minister's mess is so important and why a select committee on the triple 0 ecosystem is absolutely warranted. Given the second Optus triple 0 failure on Labor's watch, nothing could be more important than this House turning its mind to how we can save lives this summer and beyond, particularly in regional Australia. The composition of this proposed House select committee is fair and representative and has a quick timeframe of under two months to deliver findings.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It is well and good for the Minister for Communications to claim she has called the telco heads in for a good talking to. I have spoken with some of them recently as well, as has my colleague the shadow minister for communications. This travesty is so critical. We need transparency. With the minister flailing and calling herself a new minister five months in, saving Australians' lives warrants full House engagement and transparency on what is happening with our triple 0 service. Regional Australians need reassurance. After a very poor run of performance from this minister and from the Albanese Labor government on its treatment of regional Australians, this House needs to give those in the bush the certainty that triple 0 will be there to save their lives. Under Labor, we have seen tick-and-flick meaningless so-called consultation when federal and state Labor government have in mind precisely what it intends to do, which is centralisation and withdrawal of essential services from the bush.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The best way to rebuild trust in the triple 0 system and, indeed, in this government is to have this inquiry. I wrote about the triple 0 system in my local newspapers in Mallee, and it's my duty as member for Mallee and as shadow minister to reassure my constituents that they can have confidence in calling triple 0. Amid the debate about Optus triple 0 failures, we've had to be very careful to ensure Australians will call triple 0 and be confident that it will work. That is the reason for this select committee and what it is all about—rebuilding trust in arguably the most trusted service in Australia. Without triple 0, you don't get an ambulance. In all likelihood, particularly in the bush, you will die. Without triple 0, you don't get a firefighter or firefighting support. It's highly likely you'll die or suffer catastrophic injuries. Our job in opposition is to hold this government to account, and four lives have been lost—four! This government has allowed Optus to undermine confidence in our triple 0 system, and we need to rebuild confidence right here with this select committee.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me add my gratitude to our emergency services personnel. Nothing in this debate is a slight on their dedication and hard work, and I want to send a particular shout-out to our emergency services volunteers, volunteer firefighters and ambulance service members. In my home state of Victoria, the Allan Labor government has undermined confidence and support in volunteer firefighting through their so-called emergency services and volunteers fund levy. It is a tax grab. Volunteer firefighters are already shocked that transmission lines and wind turbines are being proposed through their farming land, exposing them to greater fire risk. Now they are being taxed for the inconvenience by yet another Labor government that is hungry for tax revenue. Labor desperately needs to rebuild confidence and support in emergency services, and this select committee is how we get there.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                    </a>  The question is that the motion be agreed to.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal"> </span>
                </p>
              </body>
            </talk.text>
            <interjection>
              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2164</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>53517</name.id>
                  <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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              </talk.start>
              <talk.text>
              </talk.text>
            </interjection>
          </speech>
          <division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [10:20]<br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick)</p>
              </body>
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              <ayes>
                <num.votes>47</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
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                  <name>Bell, A. M.</name>
                  <name>Birrell, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Boele, N.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
                  <name>Caldwell, C. M.</name>
                  <name>Chaffey, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Chaney, K. E.</name>
                  <name>Chester, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Gee, A. R.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M.</name>
                  <name>Hastie, A. W.</name>
                  <name>Hawke, A. G.</name>
                  <name>Joyce, B. T. G.</name>
                  <name>Kennedy, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Landry, M. L. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Le, D. T.</name>
                  <name>McCormack, M. F.</name>
                  <name>McIntosh, M. I.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, Z. A.</name>
                  <name>O'Brien, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Pasin, A.</name>
                  <name>Penfold, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Pike, H. J. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Price, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Rebello, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, M. M.</name>
                  <name>Scamps, S. A.</name>
                  <name>Sharkie, R. C. C.</name>
                  <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Spender, A. M.</name>
                  <name>Steggall, Z.</name>
                  <name>Tehan, D. T.</name>
                  <name>Thompson, P.</name>
                  <name>Venning, T. H.</name>
                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
                  <name>Wallace, A. B.</name>
                  <name>Watson-Brown, E.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, R. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, T. R.</name>
                  <name>Wood, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Young, T. J.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>81</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Abdo, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ambihaipahar, A.</name>
                  <name>Belyea, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Briskey, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Burke, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Campbell, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Chalmers, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Clare, J. D.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Clutterham, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Coffey, R. K.</name>
                  <name>Comer, E. L.</name>
                  <name>Conroy, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Cook, K. M. G.</name>
                  <name>Cook, P. A.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Dreyfus, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>French, T. A.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P. P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Gregg, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Holzberger, R. A. V.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jarrett, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Jordan-Baird, M. A. M.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
                  <name>Keogh, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Khalil, P.</name>
                  <name>King, C. F.</name>
                  <name>King, M. M. H.</name>
                  <name>Lawrence, T. N.</name>
                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Leigh, A. K.</name>
                  <name>Lim, S. B. C.</name>
                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
                  <name>McBain, K. L.</name>
                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
                  <name>Miller-Frost, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Mitchell, R. G.</name>
                  <name>Moncrieff, D. S.</name>
                  <name>Mulino, D.</name>
                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
                  <name>Ng, G. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neil, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Phillips, F. E.</name>
                  <name>Plibersek, T. J.</name>
                  <name>Rae, S. T.</name>
                  <name>Reid, G. J.</name>
                  <name>Repacholi, D. P.</name>
                  <name>Rishworth, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Rowland, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Sitou, S.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. P. B. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. J. H.</name>
                  <name>Soon, X.</name>
                  <name>Stanley, A. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Teesdale, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Templeman, S. R.</name>
                  <name>Thwaites, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Witty, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
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                <names />
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>National Anti-Corruption Commission Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>2165</page.no>
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            <a href="24170" type="Committee">
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">National Anti-Corruption Commission Joint Committee</span>
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        </subdebate.text>
        <subdebate.2>
          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>2165</page.no>
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              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Report</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2165</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Thwaites, Kate MP</name>
                <name.id>282212</name.id>
                <electorate>Jagajaga</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="282212" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms THWAITES</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Jagajaga</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:24</span>):  by leave—I present the following reports of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Anti-Corruption Commission of the 47th Parliament: <span style="font-style:italic;">Examination of the Inspector of the National Anti-Corruption Commission </span><span style="font-style:italic;">a</span><span style="font-style:italic;">nnual </span><span style="font-style:italic;">r</span><span style="font-style:italic;">eport 2023-24 </span>and <span style="font-style:italic;">Examination of the National Anti-Corruption Commission </span><span style="font-style:italic;">a</span><span style="font-style:italic;">nnual </span><span style="font-style:italic;">r</span><span style="font-style:italic;">eport 2023-24</span>.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Reports made parliamentary papers in accordance with standing order 39(e).</span>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Ms THWAITES:</span>
                    </a>  by leave—These two reports from the 47th Parliament represent a significant body of work by the former committee, particularly under the stewardship of the former chair, Senator Karen Grogan. I want to thank the committee for that work. It is a committee that plays an important role in oversight and supporting Australians' confidence in the commission's work. I look forward to continuing this important work as the Chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Anti-Corruption Commission in this parliament.</span>
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                  <name role="metadata">Thwaites, Kate MP</name>
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                  <electorate>Jagajaga</electorate>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">BILLS</span>
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          <title>Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Triple Zero Custodian and Emergency Calling Powers) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2165</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Triple Zero Custodian and Emergency Calling Powers) Bill 2025</span>
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            <page.no>2165</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Consideration resumed of the motion:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
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                <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
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                <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mrs McINTOSH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lindsay</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:25</span>):  I rise today to speak on the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Triple Zero Custodian and Emergency Calling Powers) Bill 2025. What a disgraceful display of behaviour by those opposite, refusing to have scrutiny in this parliament when it comes to the triple 0 network and allowing all those Australians who have experienced triple 0 outages and our emergency services personnel to have their say, or to have light shone onto the disasters that have been happening in the triple 0 network—the crisis of the triple 0 network.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We are here today discussing this because we have a rushed piece of legislation. It's policy on the run in its worst form. This legislation is far from perfect. If it had been moved 18 months ago—even 12 months ago—would it have stopped the September outage, when four lives were lost? We haven't even had time, because it came to us with less than 24 hours notice, to stress test or scenario test it. Those scenario tests will now have to happen in real life, and with that come extraordinary risk as to whether the legislation will actually work.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We are only debating this today because of the catastrophic Optus outage that happened on 18 September this year. This was no ordinary outage. This outage went on for around 13 hours. It was completely undetected. People in South Australia, Western Australia and the Northern Territory were unable to call triple 0 in their greatest time of need. There were warning signs that this was going to happen, but those were ignored. There were customer complaints to the Optus call centre from people who couldn't connect to triple 0, yet none of these raised an immediate red flag. It astounds me that anyone who calls their telco provider saying they can't get through to triple 0 is not taken seriously. It is completely unacceptable.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">From the information we have right now, more than 600 calls failed to connect with emergency services during that 13-hour outage. But we don't know if that is all. We don't know with any certainty how many more there might be. Tragically, as I said, four people lost their lives. Their families and their friends are mourning the loss of their loved ones. This is not politics; this is real life. People have died. And it breaks all of our hearts here. I cannot emphasise enough how absolutely and unequivocally unacceptable this outage was, and the way it was handled by everyone involved is a disgrace. Optus has failed Australians. They have failed in not detecting this abhorrent error in their systems, which denied Australians in emergency situations connection to help—help that we promise will be there in people's greatest time of need. This is a service which the minister yesterday agreed is the most critical service in our telecommunications system. Optus also failed to tell Australians what was going on for more than 32 hours after this catastrophic failure of their network. They have failed to be open and transparent about what actually went wrong. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">On Saturday 19 September, the CEO of Optus, Stephen Rue, promised he would provide daily updates. He fronted of the media just three more times—then radio silence. I have tried to secure a meeting with the CEO twice now—more radio silence. He did have time to meet with the minister yesterday and Senator Sarah Hanson-Young. I hope they had a nice cup of tea. Optus have said this was human error. What does this even mean? Did someone forget to flick a switch, plug something in or code something correctly in their systems upgrade? What was this error, and how can we ensure it doesn't happen again? It is everyone's guess right now, because no-one is talking—19 days on, we know little more than we did on the evening of 19 September. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But Optus are not the only ones who have failed here. They are not the only ones whose systems are broken. The department of communications and the regulator, ACMA, have also failed. Exactly what did they do with the first notifications that came through on 18 September from Optus? Optus had to let them know by law. What on earth did they do with the subsequent emails that Optus sent that provided updates on the outage? These are the questions that I have been asking for three weeks, yet the department and the regulator, ACMA, are unwilling to speak about it. That old adage that silence is the greatest admission of guilt has never been more true. Worse, the Albanese Labor government have been praying that this would just go away. In fact, the Minister for Communications has found plenty of time to go to New York and the AFL grand final in Melbourne and attend last week's NRL grand final in Sydney, just to name a few. We have the selfies to prove it. But she didn't have time to tell you, the people of Australia, who are dependent on triple 0 in your greatest time of need, what she is doing to protect you and to fix this broken triple 0 system. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Yesterday in question time, the Minister for Communications was asked to confirm that neither she nor her office was notified of the catastrophic outage that occurred on Thursday 18 September before the afternoon of 19 September when Optus advised the media. The minister stood here, right across from where I am now, and said:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Yes; I can confirm we were not notified of the catastrophic outage until late afternoon on Friday 19 September.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me tell you where that story falls apart. On 25 September, David Swan from the <span style="font-style:italic;">Age</span> newspaper published a story titled 'The emails that reveal how Optus downplayed the triple zero disaster'. In this article, Mr Swan cites two emails sent by Optus to the minister's staff at 2.45 pm and 2.52 pm on Thursday 18 September—a whole day prior to what the minister stood here yesterday in question time and told the Australian public was when she knew about it.</span>
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                    <a href="265967" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Wallace:</span>
                    </a>  That can't be right, surely?</span>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mrs McINTOSH:</span>
                    </a>  This is the question that the minister should be answering—it can't be right. These first alerts, although lacking in detail, said that services were down in South Australia and Western Australia and that welfare checks were being conducted. Calls to triple 0 had been impacted. The minister's office was notified directly by Optus. This was the first warning sign; it was ignored. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The minister has spoken strongly of the need to rebuild trust and confidence in the triple 0 network, so Australians can have faith that the service will work. Let me tell you, on behalf of the thousands of Australians who have contacted me about this, when every single player in this catastrophic event—Optus, ACMA as the regulator, the department of communications and the minister and her office—has failed to fess up about what they knew when, this is not rebuilding trust. Like rubbing salt in a wound, the minister has tasked ACMA as the regulator to investigate the outage. How on earth can ACMA investigate themselves? How on earth can ACMA investigate what went wrong when they are part of the failed process? What kind of alternate universe are you living in on that side of the House? We may have taken a walloping at the last election, but the arrogance of those on that side of the House is appalling. Wake up to yourselves. It's time to get off your backsides, out of cloud nine, and start delivering for the Australian people. They need to have reliability. They need to have security. They need to be able to call triple 0 in their greatest time of need.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">According to the minister, the triple 0 custodian has been operational since March this year in her department—the very same department that got the alert email from Optus the day of the outage and did nothing with the email. What exactly has this person or persons been doing since March? Clearly not checking their emails from Optus about a triple 0 outage where four people have died. What astounds me most is that it's taken yet another absolute crisis with Optus to get this weak, lazy Albanese government off their backsides, and they still don't have a clue. If the role was established back in March, why wasn't it legislated then? If the role was fully operational back in March without legislative authority, why does it need it now? And how much are Australian taxpayers paying for this custodian who can't even check an email? This is nothing but a dog-and-pony show from this arrogant government who think they can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and nothing is going to happen. Nothing to see here.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">You failed to act back in 2023, but at least the former communications minister, now the Attorney-General, had the good sense to do an independent investigation. The current minister has refused to do this at every turn, and, like a broken record on repeat, the minister has continued to say that ACMA is the appropriate body—even though they're involved in the broken process and the failure to do the investigation. They are not the appropriate body. It is clear to everyone. They failed to alert the minister when the first warning bells were rung. Why is this not important? Why is the minister not holding them to account? ACMA and the minister's department have failed to brief. They have failed to update the minister on the Bean review recommendations and where they are at. The minister said on Saturday that 12 recommendations were completed. The minister said yesterday that 13 recommendations had been completed.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralInterjecting">An honourable member:</span>  Another quick one!</span>
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                    <a href="265979" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Dr Freelander</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  Order! We can do without the echo, thanks.</span>
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                    <a href="281513" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mrs McINTOSH:</span>
                    </a>  Details matter here. Details do really matter. People's lives are at risk. You've got to be across your brief; you've got to get it together. With something this important, this is absolutely critical. So here we are. The bill is being rushed through parliament at 10 seconds to midnight because this government wants to appear like it is doing something.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The government's failure to act on the recommendations of the Bean review, which it accepted and agreed to in full 18 months ago, is lazy and shows disregard for our vital triple 0 network. This bill, at face value, does little more than add bureaucratic layers to an existing process that already has multiple failure points. I implore you to do a full review of the triple 0 ecosystem. I implore the minister to conduct that independent review. Find out the failure points, fix them and ensure that this system works. The minister cannot continue to patchwork quilt or apply bandaids to something that isn't working. Australians deserve more. They expect more. It is on the minister as the steward of the system to deliver that, and I won't stop. I won't back down. It might get annoying to some, but, when a system so important is broken, you need to do your job. You need to fix it.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I foreshadow that I will be moving detailed amendments to strengthen this bill, even though we have been given 24 hours notice, because, unlike those opposite, I want to properly fix and protect the triple 0 network. Colleagues on this side have been doing all they can over those few hours to contribute to fixing the system, because we care. We care about Australians when they are in their greatest need. People are depending on us to get this right, so we will support this bill, and I implore—I deeply, deeply mean it—the Albanese Labor government to support my amendments. We come across a little bit aggressive now, but it's because we care about Australians, and we're moving these amendments because we know they will strengthen this bill. Albert Einstein said that the only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance. Don't let it blind your actions here. Do what is right and what will ensure that all Australians are safe and can call triple 0 when they really need it.</span>
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                  <electorate>Fisher</electorate>
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                  <name role="metadata">Freelander, Mike MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>265979</name.id>
                  <electorate>Macarthur</electorate>
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                <name role="metadata">Templeman, Susan MP</name>
                <name.id>181810</name.id>
                <electorate>Macquarie</electorate>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms TEMPLEMAN</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Macquarie</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:41</span>):  I'm really disgusted to hear people suggest that this isn't something that Labor is taking seriously and that this government isn't doing everything it can to ensure that people can access triple 0 when they need it, from wherever they need it. I know it's tempting to play politics with something like this. I am particularly disgusted, though, when it is human lives that have been lost here in an awful, awful situation where Optus has failed. We will be holding Optus to account on its failures, and I would have thought any suggestion otherwise was beneath the member for Lindsay, but clearly not.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I've had to dial triple 0 on very few occasions, but when I have had to do it it has been with a real and urgent need. The first time was when my then one-year-old was in a car seat in the car, and I turned around to get him out of the car and he was limp and non-responsive. My brain just fried: 'What do I do here?' Obviously, dialling what we called 'triple O' back then but is much more commonly known as 'triple zero' now was my response. What an incredible service it was to have the operator talk me through what I should be doing with this absolutely non-responsive child, who, as it turned out, was having a febrile convulsion. The operator talked me through bathing him and cooling him in water while I was waiting for an ambulance. It was a horrible experience.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">No-one who has ever called triple 0 will have done it for anything other than a really urgent and distressing situation, so we know how important this is. For most of us, the occasions when we do it are few but frightening. What the hundreds of people who tried to call triple 0 felt when Optus failed to allow their calls to connect would have been shock, and I've heard them describe it as shock, absolute disbelief and total fear that they weren't able to get through. That should never be the case, and that's why we are going to get to the bottom of what has happened here. But you can't just use this interim period to hypothesise and speculate about what it might have been. It was so devastating for the people involved and their families.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know Optus have to be held accountable for the September outage and that they have to do better, and that's why ACMA, the communications watchdog, is investigating, so we all get the full facts of what happened. But, while we are waiting for the findings of that investigation, we've brought forward the introduction of this bill, the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Triple Zero Custodian and Emergency Calling Powers) Bill 2025, to immediately strengthen government oversight of the triple 0 ecosystem. The bill is about prevention. It's about preventing tragedies like the outage in September from being repeated, by enshrining the Triple Zero Custodian framework in law. The function has been administratively established within the Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development, Communications, Sport and the Arts, but this now enshrines it in law, and it empowers ACMA with the tools that it needs to act swiftly.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The reforms improve coordination across the triple 0 ecosystem, and they give government the ability to step in decisively during outages. I think we have to be really clear, though, that Optus and all telecommunications providers already have obligations under Australian law to ensure they carry emergency services calls. That is already in law. The bill will strengthen the oversight that these obligations are being met.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One of the things that will come in is a requirement for the testing of procedures. The sorts of things that we're going to see here will be in that prevention phase, ensuring that it is more rigorous and that there is more confidence in the processes that are in place. The custodian will drive changes that will reduce the likelihood of these sorts of incidents in the future. They'll give government greater insight into the system, and I think it will go a long way to rebuilding public confidence in triple 0—although, as I say, we need to see, in addition, the outcome of the ACMA investigation into this latest occurrence.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let's talk a bit about the statutory powers of this bill. It gives ACMA new statutory powers so they'll be able to issue binding directions to carriers, carriage service providers and emergency call persons. These directions may require information such as the cause and scale of outages, restoration plans, and policies and procedures affecting triple 0. The bill also empowers ACMA to mandate specific actions, like improving notification processes or sharing data with emergency service organisations. This would ensure that all relevant stakeholders are informed quickly when there is a problem and that responses are coordinated effectively.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There are also civil penalties that come into effect with this bill. The civil penalty regime supports ACMA's new powers. Telcos and other providers will face significant consequences if they fail to provide information or act as directed during an outage. The penalty framework underscores the seriousness of obligations under the bill and reinforces the government's commitment to protecting Australians by ensuring that triple 0 is reliable and resilient. That is, at the end of the day, our belief as to what this system has to offer—reliability and resilience.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've been very focused on one particular aspect of triple 0 and the failure that occurred with the Optus outage. Periurban communities like mine in Macquarie are bushfire prone and flood prone and have long, lonely roads and sparse populations. Our communities highlight why that reliability is so important and why resilience is so important. So, when I look at this legislation, I see it in a context of a whole range of things that the Albanese government has been doing to increase reliability and resilience in really difficult situations, emergency situations. Triple 0 needs to work reliably when there is massive demand, such as in a bushfire or a flood. It needs to be accessible in quite remote areas.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Just recently, only 20 kilometres north of Wisemans Ferry, just outside Sydney, residents were unable to phone triple 0 at the site of a tragic double-fatality car crash, when a car went into the Macdonald River. As Macdonald Valley resident Siobhan Mahoney described, on reaching the scene of the accident, which occurred late at night, she couldn't get reception, so she had to drive and get help via wi-fi. These are her words: </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">We had to waste time trying to get a signal and then eventually I came home to where we have Starlink, and that's how I managed to get hold of emergency services.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When I think about our constituents—and I know the member for Indi would face similar challenges—in nonurban areas trying to access emergency support, there are many things that are part of solving that problem. This legislation is one piece of it, but there are others. Siobhan in the Macdonald Valley didn't need to imagine what goes through your mind when you can't connect to triple 0; she experienced it. I have heard many similar stories over the last decade, including on roads like Putty Road and Bells Line of Road. Everyone, no matter where you are in the 21st century, should be able reach triple 0 in this country. It should be a given. That's why I have been so focused on improving the telecommunications infrastructure in Macquarie and having better and more reliable connectivity.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In the wake of the Black Summer bushfires, there has been significant additional funding, and recommendations from the royal commission supported that. That's resulted in a hardening of infrastructure in the Blue Mountains and the Hawkesbury, and that's both mobile infrastructure and NBN infrastructure, both of which provide really essential communications. We've got improved power backup. There's better coverage, particularly based on the Albanese government investment in new towers in places like Macdonald Valley and Hawkesbury Heights. Very soon the Mount Tomah mobile tower will be switched on. This provides coverage on a really busy and key part of the Bells Line of Road, which is used by people coming from the central west through to Sydney as well as by local users.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There is still work to be done on Yellow Rock and a number of other sites, but these are improving. But there is so much more to do, and I think the crucial next step is the universal coverage obligation that we committed to during the election. The draft legislation is out for discussion. What it means is that outdoor coverage will be accessible almost anywhere Australians can see the sky. It will require mobile carriers to provide reasonable access to mobile voice and text outdoors almost everywhere in Australia. The reforms obviously are going to benefit peri-urban communities like mine but also more regional and remote communities, and it's expected that the changes will help add more than five million square kilometres of basic outdoor mobile text and voice coverage across Australia. The way it will happen is that operators are expected to use a combination of their existing services and emerging direct-to-device technology provided through the low-Earth-orbit satellites, the LEOsats, to expand that baseline outdoor mobile coverage. So, for those in my community who want to give feedback to that, there is an opportunity to do that by later this month.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This piece of legislation today is part of a suite of things that are so vital to communities like mine—peri-urban areas that can be some of the most disaster prone places but also have a high number of users of roads and accidents on well-used but not always best-maintained and highest-grade roads through quite sparsely populated areas. We do need to have a triple 0 custodian who can have the oversight on this aspect of it. No doubt, as we get this new technology happening, as new things come in, their remit will expand to ensure that, whatever the mode of communication, whether you're dialling triple 0 through a LEOsat, whether you're using your wi-fi through your NBN or whether you're using your mobile phone or your landline, you have the ability to connect to the services that you need most. I commend this bill to the House.</span>
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                <page.no>2169</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Haines, Helen MP</name>
                <name.id>282335</name.id>
                <electorate>Indi</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr HAINES</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Indi</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:54</span>):  I rise today to speak on the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Triple Zero Custodian and Emergency Calling Powers) Bill 2025. The bill is welcome, but the circumstances in which it has been introduced are definitely not. This urgent bill responds to yet another catastrophic triple 0 Optus outage. In the past two weeks, Australians have experienced two serious Optus outages, leaving customers without coverage for hours at a time. Hundreds of calls failed to go through, and, tragically, at least three deaths have been linked to people unable to reach emergency services. No greater failure could be linked to any telecommunications company than that.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Australians should be confident that when they dial triple 0 the call will go through, but right now Australians can't hold that confidence. The Australian people are looking not only for answers but also for action. Ultimately it is the government's and the minister's responsibility to ensure that laws are applied to our telecommunications providers, and clearly the laws are failing in serious ways, and that is completely unacceptable. When one system fails, like Optus did here, your phone is meant to connect to another network. Now, we don't yet know why that didn't happen. This need for backup systems is also why roaming during emergencies is essential. If Optus goes down during a bushfire or because of an outage, Telstra or another carrier must be able to pick up the call, allowing people to access emergency information or, critically, make a life-saving triple 0 call. I'll return to this later.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Unfortunately, we've been here before. When ACMA, the Australian Communications and Media Authority, conducted an investigation into the nationwide Optus outage in 2023, it found that 2,145 people could not access triple 0 and that 369 welfare checks were not conducted. Optus paid penalties totalling more than $12 million, although I have to say—and I say this very strongly—that this is an absolutely insignificant amount of money for a multibillion-dollar corporation, and I would support any move to make that penalty much stronger.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Following the 2023 outage, the government appointed the former deputy chair of ACMA to conduct an inquiry into the outage, which resulted in 18 recommendations to address structural issues in the emergency call system. This was known as the Bean review. The review's key recommendations were to share real-time outage information across stakeholders and to establish a Triple Zero Custodian to set standards and compel cooperation. As we know, the government accepted all 18 recommendations in April 2024. But here we are, 18 months later, and several remain to be fully implemented.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Following the last absolutely unacceptable outage, the minister has moved to fast-track the establishment of the Triple Zero Custodian in the legislation that we have before us and to give ACMA new powers to hold the telcos to account. Of course I welcome this, and I welcome this bill, and I will support its passage through the House. But I criticise the government most strongly for its slow implementation of key outstanding Bean review recommendations.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill amends the Telecommunications (Consumer Protection and Service Standards) Act 1999 to establish a permanent Triple Zero Custodian within the government. The custodian will have powers to request that ACMA direct industry in relation to the emergency call system. The aim is to clearly establish the custodian as the end-to-end oversight body of the emergency call system. First, the bill gives ACMA powers to compel carriers, carriage service providers and emergency call system actors to disclose detailed information about an incident, including the cause of a failure, which services and regions are affected, restoration timeframes and its communications to the public. If the custodian requests action, ACMA must issue direction within a set time frame and provide the information and analysis back to the custodian. These are binding directions, with civil penalties available for noncompliance.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Third, the bill sets out how information gathered under these powers can be used and shared. The custodian and ACMA can share relevant information with emergency services and with the National Emergency Management Agency—importantly—as well as with state authorities and others to help respond to outages or improve the system. And fourth, the bill requires ACMA to provide biannual reports to the minister on the actions it's taken in relation to emergency call systems and the Triple Zero Custodian. The bill will also enable the minister to launch a review into the effectiveness of the new custodian arrangements in two years time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I support this bill because recent Optus outages have shown all Australians just how fragile our telecommunications systems can be and how quickly this fragility can put lives at risk when things go wrong. But let's be clear. This bill will help, but it won't fix this problem. Ensuring our telecommunications systems are resilient and futureproof will require much more action by this government, and I will be relentless in holding them to account for this, because, unfortunately, this fragility is something people in regional Australia know far too well. We already live with outages during storms, bushfires and floods. Communities in my electorate of Indi know exactly how dangerous it is to be cut off, whether it's for an hour, for a day or, in some circumstances, even for a week.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That's why I've been fighting for a more resilient system since I was first elected in 2019. People deserve confidence that, when disaster strikes, their phones will work, their call will get through and their community will stay connected. During an emergency, this is doubly true. While good communications can save lives, bad communications can cost lives. Unfortunately, Indi's heightened disaster risk means that communication outages are frequent. Indi is mountainous, heavily forested and prone to widespread and devastating bushfires. We were devastated both in the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires and again in the 2019-20 Black Summer bushfires. North-east Victoria is also susceptible to riverine and flash floods, with major river systems such as the Murray, the Goulburn, the King, the Ovens, the Broken and the Yea rivers traversing the electorate. In towns like Wangaratta, Yea and Benalla, floods are a fact of life.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">During the Black Saturday and Black Summer bushfires, people's safety and survival often depended on whether a phone call got through to triple 0 or whether an emergency warning reached them in time, and this was true for Grant and Alice Stinear, who gave me significant evidence during the recent RTIRC review last year. They live in Buxton in the south of my electorate, and they credit their landline for saving their lives during the Black Saturday bushfires 15 years ago. When the mobile network had gone down, and with the fire fast approaching, it was through their landline that the call to evacuate got through. But today their landline has fallen completely into disrepair. They have little confidence their mobiles will work during a bushfire, and they told my office that, despite all the technological progress of the last decade, the Stinears are less confident than they were 15 years ago that a life-saving message will reach them when it's most needed. What a failure of government!</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is a widely felt sentiment in Indi. No matter where I go across the 29,000 square kilometres of my electorate, I hear loud and clear from the community that regional telecommunications are inadequate, particularly during emergencies. Recent outages like those caused by Optus only reinforce this belief. When outages do occur, backup generators and batteries aren't lasting long enough. It's why in the 2025 election I put forward a policy to require at least 24 hours of power backup for all mobile towers in high-risk areas. This is so important because, when mobile phone towers don't have sufficient power backup, entire towns become isolated. People can't contact emergency services, nor can they contact each other, and I will continue to call on the government to implement this policy. It's a no-brainer. It's been costed by the Parliamentary Budget Office at around $159 million to provide potentially life-saving upgrades to 3,200 high-risk sites. Get on and do it.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's why I fought for communities in my electorate affected by the 3G shutdown who saw their connectivity go backwards. It's completely unacceptable. It's why I support the universal outdoor mobile obligation, which has the potential to make universal mobile access for Australians a reality. I've supported the government's trials of voice services through the low-Earth-orbit satellites, including tests at the alpine resort of Falls Creek in my electorate. It's why I'm pushing for further funding for projects that increase local communications resilience. Community energy nodes and public wi-fi projects are already benefiting towns such as Jamieson in my electorate, and additional funding for such initiatives will support life-saving communication and essential economic activity during prolonged outages. It's why I've been calling for temporary disaster roaming as a priority reform, and I'm not the only one. It was recommended by the Senate's 2023 <span style="font-style:italic;">Connecting </span><span style="font-style:italic;">the country</span> report and by the ACCC's 2023 Regional Mobile Infrastructure Inquiry. The Bean review recommended that any temporary disaster roaming must be expanded even further to include outages such as those recently caused by Optus. How many inquiries—how many recommendations—before we get the action?</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In my own 2024 submission to the Regional Telecommunications Review, I called for disaster roaming before the next severe fire season, which, at the time, was before the end of 2024. Well, here we are, about to walk into our next bushfire season with no sign of this reform. There has been no public update for two years. Fire season—I cannot emphasise this enough—is fast approaching, and it is completely unacceptable, because an emergency roaming system is common sense. It is the solution of common sense for remote, mountainous regions like Indi and for regional communities right across Australia. It would enable a phone to connect to any network during an emergency, no matter which telco you are with.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know that temporary disaster roaming is possible. In the United States, the Mandatory Disaster Response Initiative requires carriers to let customers roam onto another network during declared disasters. Those powers were activated during Tropical Storm Debby and Hurricane Helene in the second half of 2024. This can be done. In Chile, the national automatic roaming system requires telcos to share their networks in remote regions so people can make calls and receive essential information no matter their provider. So why not Australia? In Canada, the government required telecommunications providers to sign an agreement that facilitates emergency roaming and mutual aid during disasters and major network outages. That's not Australia. Frankly, it is not acceptable that in Australia—in our country—in 2025, your choice of mobile provider determines whether you can access emergency information during a natural disaster.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Are we satisfied with this? I sure as heck am not satisfied with this. The VicEmergency app, for example, relies on a mobile data connection, and we must have access to it during a disaster. During a bushfire or storm, regional Australians need to be able to make a call through whatever network is available, not the one they're signed up to. Parents need to know a call will get through to their child if they're apart. When I asked the current Minister for Communications about this crucial reform this week in question time, we were told that simulation drills would occur in the coming weeks. Well, that's a welcome update, but there is no time left to stall, because, folks, this is not a drill. This is real. We have been stalling in this country for more than two years since these reviews. The government have been stalling. We need to get on with this. It can no longer be the case that you just choose your own adventure if you're a telco. The government must compel the telcos to deploy disaster roaming as soon as possible. My communities can't accept further delays, and neither can I.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill before the House will improve the functioning of the emergency call system, and on that basis I welcome it. Australians do not have confidence in the triple 0 system, and this must change. It is unacceptable, and both the government and the telcos are responsible. The government must move quicker to implement the key recommendations of the Bean review, including temporary disaster roaming. Other countries have done it; we must do it too. We can't lag any more. I commend the member for Mallee for the amendments she's about to put before the House. I will be supporting them. We all need to step up here, but no-one more than the telecommunications companies and this government. Stop making excuses, and stop making Australia some kind of exceptional circumstance and risking our lives.</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2171</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">French, Tom MP</name>
                <name.id>316550</name.id>
                <electorate>Moore</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="316550" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr FRENCH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Moore</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:09</span>):  I rise to speak in support of the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Triple Zero Custodian and Emergency Calling Powers) Bill 2025. This bill represents something simple yet profound: the guarantee that, when Australians dial triple 0, help is always within reach. It says that, in a country as advanced as ours, no person should ever hear silence at the other end of an emergency call. I commend the Minister for Communications, the Hon. Anika Wells MP, for her leadership in driving this reform.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill ensures Australians can rely on triple 0 in every community, including those I'm proud to represent in Moore. It establishes the office of the Triple Zero Custodian, an independent authority responsible for the integrity of our emergency call system. The custodian will oversee the service end to end, ensuring it works, carriers cooperate and accountability never falls through the cracks.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This reform is not theoretical. It comes directly from the lessons learned after the Optus outages of November 2023 and September 2025, events that left millions affected and some unable to reach triple 0. Those failures were unacceptable. They exposed a system with no single custodian, no unified command and no authority to coordinate carriers in real time. The Bean review, commissioned by this government, made it clear Australians deserve better. This bill delivers on what that review recommended—clarity, authority and accountability. It gives the ACMA new powers to direct industry participants when an emergency network is at risk. It allows lawful, rapid information-sharing between carriers and government during crises, and it mandates transparency through annual reporting and ministerial oversight.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Together, these reforms will rebuild trust in one of the nation's most fundamental services, because, when you dial triple 0, you aren't calling a corporation; you are calling your community. You are calling the police officer, the paramedic or the firefighter, people who run towards danger while most of us run to safety. This bill gives them what they need most: a system that doesn't fail when seconds count. Those seconds can mean the difference between life and loss.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">From Joondalup Health Campus to Hillarys Boat Harbour, our community depends on reliable communications to stay safe. Joondalup Police Station, Joondalup and Duncraig fire stations, St John and Joondalup depot rely on fast, accurate networks to coordinate responses. Our surf lifesaving clubs, Sorrento and Mullaloo, need to stay connected to emergency dispatchers. Our Whitfords volunteer sea rescue crew, operating from Hillarys and Ocean Reef, rely on uninterrupted contact with water police. Across Kingsley, Padbury, Craigie and Woodvale, families rest easier knowing that, if something goes wrong, triple 0 will answer.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill ensures that confidence is justified. It makes clear who is responsible when technology fails and ensures the right information reaches the right hands at the right moment. For too long, telecommunications law has lagged behind the technology it was meant to regulate. It never contemplated smartphones, Voice over Internet Protocol or cloud based routing across continents. This bill changes that, delivering accountability that has been missing for too long.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The custodian will coordinate between the ACMA, carriers and emergency call persons—Telstra and the National Relay Service—ensuring a single national view of performance and risk. They will hold industry to account and drive improvements before failure occurs. If a failure does occur, they will have the authority to act decisively and not wait for permission. That's the kind of reform Australians expect from a responsible government, from a Labor government.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill also strengthens the ACMA's powers to issue binding directions during emergencies. It allows the regulator to compel information quickly and direct carriers to restore services or implement workarounds without delay. In a crisis, every minute counts. We cannot afford bureaucratic ping-pong between regulators and providers. This bill ends that confusion. It puts the chain of command on paper and into practice. The custodian must report annually to the Minister for Communications and provide data for publication. Australians will know for the first time how the triple 0 system performs. Sunlight builds trust, and trust saves lives. Those opposite talk about transparency while using torches. We are hardwiring the lights.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill is not just about technology; it's about people. When a nurse at Joondalup Health Campus calls for back-up, that's someone's family member whose life hangs in the balance. When a skipper off Ocean Reef issues a mayday, it's not statistics we are protecting; it's families. When members of the Wanneroo Joondalup SES coordinate through their radios, network reliability can determine whether homes stand or fall. It honours those who serve and the communities they protect. The right to access emergency services is fundamental. It gives real meaning to the right of life and health recognised under international law.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill ensures those rights are protected in practice, not just in principle. It ensures the infrastructure of our compassion, the ability to call for help, is fit for purpose. In Moore, we've seen how communication saved lives. When wild storms hit the suburbs from Kingsley to Ocean Reef, emergency calls and SES coordination made the difference between safety and disaster. Along our northern beaches, Whitfords Volunteer Sea Rescue and our lifesaving volunteers depend on those same links when lives are at risk offshore. This bill makes that connection stronger. It ensures that, even if one network fails, coordination does not. It ensures that information flows lawfully and rapidly between providers and oversight remains continuous, not only after the fact.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Some may ask whether these new powers will be used responsibly. The answer is yes. The bill includes strict limits on the custodian's power. ACMA oversight remains intact, and commercial confidentiality and privacy are protected under existing laws. This is targeted reform—precise, not heavy-handed. It is about coordination, not control. It has been developed through extensive consultation with industry, emergency services and state governments. That collaboration is a credit to Minister Wells and her department. They listened, learned and acted swiftly, turning the lessons of the Optus outage into lasting reforms.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Contrast that with the opposition's record. For nearly a decade, they oversaw a system where there were repeated warnings about fragile emergency communications, yet they delivered no structural reform to fix it. They presided over a system that relied on goodwill instead of good governance. When outages occurred, they ordered inquiries but never delivered legislative change. This government has done what they would not: create accountability, not just commentary. That is the difference between managing headlines and managing risk.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The people of Moore expect action, not excuses. They expect a government that invests in reliability and transparency. They know that, when a crisis hits, the only thing that matters is whether the call connects. This bill will ensure it will. In Joondalup and Currambine, families are connected through schools, workplaces and community sport. They need to know emergency services can find them fast. In Duncraig and Carine, where many residents are older Australians, uninterrupted access to triple zero is peace of mind. In Kingsley and Padbury, tradespeople on the road depend on mobile coverage to report accidents. Along the coast, in Sorrento, Marmion and Watermans Bay, surf lifesaving clubs coordinate with ambulances and police each summer. This bill supports all of them. It's as practical as a working phone line and as vital as a heartbeat.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill also sits within the broader agenda of national resilience. This government is investing in secure, modern infrastructure across energy, transport and communications. We are strengthening cybersecurity and emergency management capability and ensuring our laws reflect the interconnected world Australians now live in. The Triple Zero Custodian bill is part of that architecture—a quiet reform that will save lives precisely because most people will never notice it working. Reliability should be invisible. It should be expected. When systems fail, people notice. When they function flawlessly, society moves forward in safety.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to acknowledge extraordinary people who make the system work every day: the triple 0 operators, who stay calm under pressure; the dispatchers, who coordinate across multiple agencies in seconds; the first responders—police, firefighters, ambulance officers and Marine Rescue—who act on those calls; and the volunteers who drop everything to help strangers because that is what community means. They are the human face of this legislation. They deserve the certainty that, when someone needs them, the line will open, not fail. This bill honours their service.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">At its heart, this bill affirms something deeply Australian—that in moments of crisis, we look after each other. That ethos underpins our emergency services, our social contract and democracy itself. Technology must serve that ethos, not undermine it. When we make our systems more reliable, we make our society more humane. That is the moral thread running through this legislation. As technology evolves—satellite networks, 5G, emergency apps—the custodian will ensure triple 0 evolves too. They will plan for continuity, redundancy and accessibility for people with disability or language barriers. That forward planning will prevent the next crisis rather than just react to it. It's what good governance looks like.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Emergency services are delivered locally but depend on national coordination. This bill reinforces that cooperation through structured communication and shared protocols. It builds unity of purpose between agencies that already work side by side under immense pressure. That is how we strengthen the federation in practice—through practical reform not rhetoric.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">First responders in Moore don't ask for fanfare. They ask for systems that work, reliable networks, clear information and leadership that understands what is at stake. This bill delivers exactly that. It strengthens the communications backbone they depend on so they can focus on protecting lives and property. It says to every police officer, paramedic, firefighter and volunteer, 'We've got your back.' It says to every Australian, 'You will never be left without help because of a preventable communications failure.' That is government at its best.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me close with gratitude. To the minister, Anika Wells, thank you for your stewardship and determination. To the officials and experts who shaped this legislation, thank you for your diligence. To the first responders and volunteers in Moore, from Joondalup Health Campus to the firefighters at Joondalup and Duncraig fire stations, St John WA and the Marine Rescue crews, thank you for the lives you save. This bill is for you. It's for every Australian who dials triple 0 in fear and finds hope on the line. It's for every community that relies on the simple promise that help is always there.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This parliament has a duty to strengthen the systems that protect life. We cannot predict every emergency, but we can prepare for them. We cannot prevent every failure, but we can ensure that when failure comes the response is swift and coordinated. That is exactly what this bill achieves. It modernises our telecommunications safety net, provides clarity where confusion once reigned and turns the lessons of the past into safeguards for the future.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The strength of a society is measured not only in prosperity but in protection—how well it safeguards its people in their most vulnerable moments. This bill strengthens that protection and ensures that our emergency call service, a quiet miracle of modern governance, continues to serve every Australian every hour of every day. It ensures that when disaster strikes, the system holds. It ensures that trust in our institution is earned through performance, not assumption. And it reminds us that the work of government, at its best, is not loud; it's reliable. I commend this bill to the House.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2173</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
                <name.id>281688</name.id>
                <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
                <party>NATS</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="281688" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr WEBSTER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mallee</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:24</span>):  It has sadly taken the tragic death of four Australians due to a second Optus triple 0 outage in September for this government to progress this legislation, the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Triple Zero Custodian and Emergency Calling Powers) Bill 2025, today. The Minister for Communications told the House yesterday that the Albanese government had implemented most of the Bean review recommendations. I ask the minister to inform the House on record when and by whom those recommendations were implemented. The minister told question time yesterday that the opposition was politicising this issue. When Australian lives are lost and when the Australian government has the regulatory responsibility and falls short of that responsibility, the opposition's job is to hold the government accountable.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Regrettably, under the Albanese Labor government, the mob on that side of the House are full of so much hubris. They don't believe in transparency and accountability; they're too busy enjoying the trappings of office. Such is this government's hubris that yesterday, in question time, the minister had a go at the opposition for not rubberstamping this bill, which they had given to the shadow minister less than 24 hours before. I mean, fancy the shadow minister wanting to consult with colleagues and take it to the party room! What happened to the kinder, friendlier, more transparent parliament? No; not when you've got such a cheer squad on the other side. Labor beats down on the opposition, puts democracy aside and just wants to have its own way. So let me tell you about the forgotten Australians, the collateral damage of this government's hubris.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Rural, regional and remote Australians live a long way from hospitals, police, firefighting and other emergency services, and, for many, a mobile phone is their sole phone service, particularly in remote Indigenous communities. One North Queensland resident explains they cannot make phone calls on their Telstra service—Telstra, not Optus—because it drops out for about 20 seconds every few seconds, even interrupting triple 0 calls. The intermittent signal came, believe it or not, after a system upgrade, but Telstra tells them they need more satellites in the air and maybe it will improve by 2030. That's encouraging! We tried to speak further with this lady from North Queensland this morning and, unsurprisingly, we could not get connection. That's the lived experience in regional Australia under the Albanese Labor government. This is a minister who justifies second-rate services for regional Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">A Mallee constituent contacted me and said that they have not been able to contact triple 0 on their Optus service. My office has since not been able to ring them back on their number because, strangely enough, it doesn't connect. Then there's Paula, who was playing golf in early August on the Mornington Peninsula when she experienced heart attack symptoms but could not reach triple 0 on her Optus-affiliate service. She got through to her daughter on Facebook Messenger, and her daughter then called the ambulance. Thankfully, Paula survived. At last check, Optus couldn't explain that outage. These are the lived experiences of regional Australians, whose communities have been hollowed out of health and other emergency services under Labor governments, both federal and state.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Regional Australians live a long way from an ambulance station, let alone a hospital and let alone a police station or firefighting services. These are regional Australians who take it upon themselves to look after themselves and to run, for instance, farm firefighting units because they know they are so far from help and they need to be self-reliant. They cannot contact triple 0 during an outage to report that a fire is moving in a certain direction or that they need help stopping an outbreak. How do motorists or Indigenous Australians report a car accident and the need for urgent assistance if triple 0 fails? This is why, as shadow minister for regional communications, I am proposing amendments to this bill to bring specific emphasis to rural, regional and remote Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Enough is enough. Without specific emphasis and reporting on their needs, regional Australians will continue to lose their lives unnecessarily. Labor simply doesn't care about that. We have higher morbidity and mortality rates in regional Australia, and my observation as former shadow assistant minister for regional health is that Labor do not care one iota—nothing has changed in that space. Labor centralises health services. Labor undermines regional health services so that they have to be centralised. Labor guts regions of health professionals, through the DPA, that can save lives and turn regional health care around.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I therefore make no apology as the member for Mallee, proudly representing the Nationals, for moving specific amendments and making a specific case for regional Australians. That's my job. That is our job—representing our electorates, our constituents. Let the government go ahead and gag and vote down amendments. It will simply reinforce yet again that the Albanese Labor government sees regional Australians as obstacles at best and invisible at worst.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This brings me to the Triple Zero Custodian. It was recommended by Richard Bean way back in March 2024, and the minister is moving legislation today. She couldn't tell the House yesterday what the custodian has been doing since it was created within the department, and this is where I come back to responsibility. First of all, nothing absolves the Albanese Labor government of its responsibility on triple 0 connectivity and on telecommunications more broadly. The minister in question time yesterday wanted to point the finger at Optus—it's all Optus's fault!—claiming we on this side of the House are letting Optus off the hook. Hardly!</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">What did former US president George W. Bush famously try to say? 'Fool me once—shame on you. Fool me twice—shame on me.' The Albanese Labor government are on their second time around on triple 0 outages. They had more than fair warning about Optus's shortcomings and, indeed, an independent report recommending the Triple Zero Custodian. Yet it took four tragedies and God knows how many more near misses for the government to come into this place implementing just one recommendation from the 18 in the Bean review. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The minister wants us to rubberstamp this legislation this week, but is the Triple Zero Custodian the independent body the Bean review recommended? That's a very good question. Does it have sufficient independence from ministerial influence? Is there sufficient transparency and accountability for the Australian public to know what is going on? Does the custodian sits sufficiently outside the control of ACMA, the department and the minister? The recommendation said the custodian should have responsibility. However, we know that ultimately, in our Westminster system of government, responsibility sits squarely with the minister. Thus far, in the telecommunications portfolio, this minister has shown poor leadership in her responsibility. </span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2175</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
                <name.id>281513</name.id>
                <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="281513" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mrs McINTOSH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lindsay</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:32</span>):  I move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">That the question be now put.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">A division having been called and the bells having been rung—</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2175</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Burke, Tony MP</name>
                <name.id>DYW</name.id>
                <electorate>Watson</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="DYW" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr BURKE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Watson</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for the Arts, Minister for Home Affairs, Minister for Cyber Security, Minister for Immigration and Citizenship and Leader of the House</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:36</span>):  Before the doors are locked, I seek leave—everybody is supportive of this—to call the division off.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Leave granted; question agreed to.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Original question agreed to.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a second time.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Message from the Governor-General recommending appropriation announced.</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2175</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill—by leave—taken as a whole.</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2175</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
                <name.id>281513</name.id>
                <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="281513" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mrs McINTOSH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lindsay</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:37</span>):  by leave—I move amendments (1) to (5) on sheet 1 as circulated in my name together:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) Schedule 1, page 3 (before line 3), before the heading specifying <span style="font-style:italic;">Telecommunications (Consumer Protection and Service Standards) Act 1999</span>, insert:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">Security of Critical Infrastructure Act 2018</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">1A Section 5 (after paragraph (a) of the definition of </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">critical telecommunications asset</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">)</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Insert:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(aa) a telecommunications network that is used to supply an emergency call service; or</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) Schedule 1, page 3 (before line 3), before the heading specifying <span style="font-style:italic;">Telecommunications (Consumer Protection and Service Standards) Act 1999</span>, insert:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">Telecommunications Act 1997</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">1B After paragraph 570(3)(ac)</span>
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                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Insert:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(ad) in the case of a contravention of subsection 151D(1) or (2) of the <span style="font-style:italic;">Telecommunications (Consumer Protection and Service Standards) Act 1999</span>—$20 million for each contravention; or</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) Schedule 1, item 7, page 13 (after line 19), after section 151K, insert:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">151KA Register of ECS outage events</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) The Custodian must establish and keep a register of ECS outage events.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) The Custodian must include an ECS outage event in the register as soon as reasonably practicable after the Custodian reasonably believes that the ECS outage event has occurred, is occurring or will occur.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) The Custodian must make the information contained in the register available for public inspection on the internet.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(4) The regulations may make provision for and in relation to the keeping of the register.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(4) Schedule 1, item 7, page 16 (lines 11 and 12), omit "within 3 months after the end of each 6 month period", substitute "within 1 month after the end of each 3 month period".</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(5) Schedule 1, item 7, page 16 (line 24), omit subsection 151Q(2), substitute:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) The ACMA must:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) provide a copy of the report to the Custodian; and</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) publish the report.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I am asking for some detailed amendments to this bill to ensure that our triple 0 network is protected. I shared these amendments with the Minister for Communications's office last night and this morning in an act of good faith and in the hope that the government is serious about fixing the triple 0 system. I don't want to believe that we are here today debating this urgent bill as part of a political show so the government can look like it's doing something. I want them to actually do something. You cannot wallpaper over this catastrophic event. People have died. Australians' confidence in the triple 0 service has been rocked. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The first point in my amendment seeks to list our triple 0 network as critical infrastructure. This will ensure that the triple 0 service is enshrined as an infrastructure asset of national significance. Systems of national significance are Australia's most vital and critical infrastructure assets. They underpin our social and economic stability, defence and national security. At the moment, there are around 170 assets, across energy, communications, transport and financial services. People expect their lights to turn on, despite soaring energy prices. They expect to have running water and sewerage. They also expect to be able to pick up the phone and call triple 0 in their greatest time of need. We must ensure that the triple 0 network is protected for all Australians, wherever and whenever they need it. It doesn't matter if you are in the city or in the regions, and my colleague the member for Mallee has been pushing this point so well.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The second point in my amendment will increase the current penalty framework for a contravention of the act from $10 million to $20 million. Let's be clear: if a person is unable to call triple 0, that cannot be tolerated. We must have strong enough penalties to make people pay attention. If we end up back here, it's not just going to be $20 million. These penalties won't just double—$30 million a breach, $50 million a breach or $100 million. It doesn't matter—whatever it takes for people to take this seriously and for things to change, because it is serious business. How many more times do we need to address these abhorrent failures before it's fixed and before we have transparency and honesty when we have an outage?</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Among the members of the other place right now, Senate estimates is happening, and they are legitimately talking about emails sent to the wrong email box and no-one opening emails after the outage. This is not a joke; this is actually what has happened. Own it. Fix it. Pick up the phone and make a call if you can't get through on an email. I have heard nothing but excuses from Optus, the department, ACMA—the regulator—and the minister. Australians are sick of excuses. They are sick of cover-ups. Own it.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm also seeking an amendment to the bill to ensure that for all outages there is transparency regarding the number of calls affected and the geographical areas impacted. Without this vital information, we cannot expect to know where the gaps are in the system so that they can be fixed. Australians are hyperaware right now. Following the second Optus outage, which impacted Dapto in New South Wales, Optus reported some of the calls were made by people checking whether the triple 0 network was working. They are lacking confidence in our most essential telecommunication service. Yesterday in question time, the minister was asked how many triple 0 outages there have been, and she couldn't answer this question. That's not good enough. We need to know. Australians have a right to know. If the minister wants to restore faith in the network, she needs to walk the walk and be transparent about what's going on.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Finally, schedule 1 of the bill states that ACMA, the regulator, will provide a report every six months, and they will take three months to prepare that report. Minister, given what has been going on in this country over the last few weeks, where people have died, six months is not good enough. This reporting must be more frequent and more rapid, and, most importantly, the public must have access to it. It has to be transparent. So we are asking for it to be every three months. Minister, we ask on behalf of Australians for you to take this seriously and take no chances with the health, safety and welfare of Australians. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2176</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
                <name.id>264121</name.id>
                <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="264121" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms WELLS</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:43</span>):  Unfortunately, the shadow communications minister has made a choice, and these are the consequences of this choice. There have been discussions in good faith about these amendments. Those were being worked through. However, the choice of the opposition to move those amendments forward to an earlier time means that those discussions can't be finalised before this point where you're putting the question, so we oppose them.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="201906" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Young</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  The question is that the amendments be agreed to.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal"> </span>
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            <interjection>
              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2176</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Young, Terry MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>201906</name.id>
                  <electorate>Longman</electorate>
                  <party>LNP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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              <talk.text>
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              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [11:48]<br />(The Deputy Speaker—Mr Young)</p>
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                <num.votes>44</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
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                  <name>Aldred, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Batt, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Bell, A. M.</name>
                  <name>Birrell, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Boele, N.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
                  <name>Caldwell, C. M.</name>
                  <name>Chaffey, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Chaney, K. E.</name>
                  <name>Chester, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Gee, A. R.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M.</name>
                  <name>Hastie, A. W.</name>
                  <name>Hawke, A. G.</name>
                  <name>Joyce, B. T. G.</name>
                  <name>Katter, R. C.</name>
                  <name>Kennedy, S. P.</name>
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                  <name>McIntosh, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Pasin, A.</name>
                  <name>Penfold, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Pike, H. J. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Price, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Rebello, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, M. M.</name>
                  <name>Scamps, S. A.</name>
                  <name>Sharkie, R. C. C.</name>
                  <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Spender, A. M.</name>
                  <name>Steggall, Z.</name>
                  <name>Thompson, P.</name>
                  <name>Venning, T. H.</name>
                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
                  <name>Wallace, A. B.</name>
                  <name>Watson-Brown, E.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, R. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, T. R.</name>
                  <name>Wood, J. P.</name>
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              <noes>
                <num.votes>86</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
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                  <name>Abdo, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Albanese, A. N.</name>
                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ambihaipahar, A.</name>
                  <name>Belyea, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Bowen, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Briskey, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Burke, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Campbell, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Chalmers, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Clare, J. D.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Clutterham, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Coffey, R. K.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J. M.</name>
                  <name>Comer, E. L.</name>
                  <name>Conroy, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Cook, K. M. G.</name>
                  <name>Cook, P. A.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Dreyfus, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>French, T. A.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P. P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Gregg, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Holzberger, R. A. V.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jarrett, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Jordan-Baird, M. A. M.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
                  <name>Keogh, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Khalil, P.</name>
                  <name>King, C. F.</name>
                  <name>King, M. M. H.</name>
                  <name>Lawrence, T. N.</name>
                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Leigh, A. K.</name>
                  <name>Lim, S. B. C.</name>
                  <name>Marles, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
                  <name>McBain, K. L.</name>
                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
                  <name>Miller-Frost, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Mitchell, R. G.</name>
                  <name>Moncrieff, D. S.</name>
                  <name>Mulino, D.</name>
                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
                  <name>Ng, G. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neil, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Phillips, F. E.</name>
                  <name>Plibersek, T. J.</name>
                  <name>Rae, S. T.</name>
                  <name>Reid, G. J.</name>
                  <name>Repacholi, D. P.</name>
                  <name>Rishworth, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Rowland, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Sitou, S.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. P. B. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. J. H.</name>
                  <name>Soon, X.</name>
                  <name>Stanley, A. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Teesdale, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Templeman, S. R.</name>
                  <name>Thwaites, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>White, R. P.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Witty, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
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                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names />
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived. </p>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2177</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
                <name.id>281688</name.id>
                <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
                <party>NATS</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
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            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="281688" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr WEBSTER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mallee</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:53</span>):  by leave—I move amendments (1) and (2) on sheet 2 as circulated in my name together:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) Schedule 1, item 7, page 5 (line 33), at the end of subsection 151A(2), add:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">; (c) the deficiencies in connectivity in rural, regional and remote Australia that put Australians living there at risk from ECS outage events.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) Schedule 1, item 7, page 16 (after line 16), after paragraph 151Q(1)(b), insert:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(ba) the specific challenges and personal safety risks faced by Australians living in rural, regional and remote areas through poor connectivity to emergency call services;</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Labor governs for select parts of capital cities and not for the regions. That's the concern I have. My constituents in Mallee see time and time again that Labor treats them as invisible or, at best, obstacles to be pushed out of the way. I'm proud to stand here representing Mallee but also representing all regional Australians as the first shadow minister for regional communications. These amendments bring specific focus to the Triple Zero Custodian to investigate and report on deficiencies in connectivity for rural, regional and remote Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As it presently stands, we really don't know how many regional Australians have been affected by triple 0 outages, but our lived experience in the regions is that it happens a lot. Indeed, regional Australians who contact my office are concerned about their mobile service connectivity more generally. Shockingly, when they call triple 0, they cannot get through. Waiting until a fatality occurs in regional Australia is not only unacceptable but it puts lives at risk and, in my view, is a basis for the minister to resign or be censured or sacked. That's Westminster accountability. That's the minister's job. The buck stops with her.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These amendments ensure that the Triple Zero Custodian is reporting to the government and the parliament on the specific connectivity issues that rural, regional and remote Australians are facing. The minister described herself as new, five months into the job. I've been shadow regional communications minister for less time, and I've already taken countless briefings. It's already clear to me that not only are the problems in regional Australia dire but also unique. We don't have the benefit of a second-option mobile service if one fails, and not everyone can afford the low-Earth-orbit satellite service workarounds to secure more reliable coverage.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Labor is content with regional Australians having second-rate services, and that puts lives at risk. In other words, Labor is happy to put regional Australian lives at risk. If those opposite disagree with that proposition, support my amendments today. If my amendments are not supported, what is this government telling regional Australians? That they cannot be bothered having specific expectations the Triple Zero Custodian will focus on the specific risks they face in the bush. Or will they say: 'Just trust us. We care about regional Australians. Their issues will be in the mix of the considerations'? Well, call me and my Nationals colleagues once bitten, twice shy—or, more likely, constantly neglected, always vigilant—because we see Labor ignore and disrespect regional Australians time and time again.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I make no apology for moving amendments to ensure special consideration of regional Australians who are treated like second-class citizens. When Labor-backed programs roll through our electorates, regional Australians are not consulted. The decision is already in the bag. It's faux consultation to tick the box. The justifiable bitterness and anger of regional Australians sits at Labor's feet. The Prime Minister deserved the reception he got in Ballarat at the Bush Summit. The buck stops with him and his government. He's happy to be preaching Labor virtues at the UK Labour conference while this controversy raged back home but pretends the actions of his ministers and fellow state Labor governments have nothing to do with him. The Prime Minister has the nerve to tell regional Australians, 'I won't BS people,' yet under his government there's bulldust as far as the eye can see—no transparency, no accountability, secrecy and demands that it's Labor's way or the highway. The hubris of those opposite knows no end, and the best way to indicate the government is taking the second triple 0 failure on their watch seriously, to tell regional Australians they matter to this government, is to support these amendments.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The minister and the Albanese government also need to move very quickly on updating the universal service obligation. The USO underpins emergency connectivity, yet the old voice based USO is no longer fit for purpose. The minister protested last week that she was new to the portfolio. I don't know if that means the previous minister, Minister Rowland, was doing nothing and handed nothing over to her to continue with or that the minister has had priorities other than ensuring life-saving connectivity in the bush. The universal outdoor mobile obligation, or UOMO, is a step in the right direction, and telcos are rolling out connectivity via satellite on newer telephone handsets. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2178</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
                <name.id>264121</name.id>
                <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="264121" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms WELLS</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:59</span>):  The amendments moved by the member for Mallee are well intentioned, but they are unnecessary. The Albanese government is focused on the needs of regional Australians, and the Triple Zero Custodian, which has been established by the Albanese government and not any prior conservative government, will act accordingly. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="248181" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Claydon</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  The question is that the amendments be agreed to.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal"> </span>
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2178</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Claydon, Sharon MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>248181</name.id>
                  <electorate>Newcastle</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [12:03]<br />(The Deputy Speaker—Ms Claydon) </p>
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              <ayes>
                <num.votes>44</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
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                  <name>Spender, A. M.</name>
                  <name>Steggall, Z.</name>
                  <name>Thompson, P.</name>
                  <name>Venning, T. H.</name>
                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
                  <name>Wallace, A. B.</name>
                  <name>Watson-Brown, E.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, R. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, T. R.</name>
                  <name>Wood, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Young, T. J.</name>
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                <num.votes>84</num.votes>
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                  <name>Abdo, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Albanese, A. N.</name>
                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ambihaipahar, A.</name>
                  <name>Belyea, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Bowen, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Briskey, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Burke, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Campbell, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Chalmers, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Clare, J. D.</name>
                  <name>Clutterham, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Coffey, R. K.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J. M.</name>
                  <name>Comer, E. L.</name>
                  <name>Conroy, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Cook, K. M. G.</name>
                  <name>Cook, P. A.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Dreyfus, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>French, T. A.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P. P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Gregg, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Holzberger, R. A. V.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jarrett, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Jordan-Baird, M. A. M.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
                  <name>Keogh, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Khalil, P.</name>
                  <name>King, C. F.</name>
                  <name>King, M. M. H.</name>
                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Leigh, A. K.</name>
                  <name>Lim, S. B. C.</name>
                  <name>Marles, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
                  <name>McBain, K. L.</name>
                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
                  <name>Miller-Frost, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Mitchell, R. G.</name>
                  <name>Moncrieff, D. S.</name>
                  <name>Mulino, D.</name>
                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
                  <name>Ng, G. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neil, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Phillips, F. E.</name>
                  <name>Plibersek, T. J.</name>
                  <name>Rae, S. T.</name>
                  <name>Reid, G. J.</name>
                  <name>Repacholi, D. P.</name>
                  <name>Rishworth, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Rowland, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Sitou, S.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. P. B. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. J. H.</name>
                  <name>Soon, X.</name>
                  <name>Stanley, A. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Teesdale, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Templeman, S. R.</name>
                  <name>Thwaites, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>White, R. P.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Witty, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
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                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names />
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              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.<br />Bill agreed to.</p>
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        <subdebate.2>
          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>2179</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Third Reading</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2179</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
                <name.id>264121</name.id>
                <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="264121" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms WELLS</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:08</span>):  by leave—I move:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a third time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Question agreed to.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a third time.</span>
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      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2179</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2179</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Consideration resumed of the motion:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">to which the following amendment was moved:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">That all words after "That" be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">"whilst not declining to give the bill a second reading, the House notes that:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">(1) the bill seeks to extend two successful Coalition policies;</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(2) the Government's policies have seen energy prices increase by $1,300 more than promised and it is now extending Coalition policy to ensure energy prices don't increase even further;</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">(3) the Government has only reluctantly decided to support business by extending the instant asset write-off under pressure from the Coalition ahead of the last election;</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">(4) this bill seeks to provide less frequent assessments of ASIC and APRA;</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">(5) thousands of Australians have lost over $1 billion in superannuation due to alleged misconduct by First Guardian and Shield;</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">(6) ASIC has been accused of major failures in responding to this crisis which the Government has been silent about;</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(7) the Government must explain to the thousands of victims why it is seeking to reduce accountability and transparency for ASIC at this time; and</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">(8) this bill seeks to clean up a range of the Government's mistakes including the application of GST to disability services".</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2180</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Briskey, Jo MP</name>
                <name.id>263427</name.id>
                <electorate>Maribyrnong</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                    <a href="263427" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms BRISKEY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Maribyrnong</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:10</span>):  I rise to support and speak to this important piece of legislation, the Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025. The work of good government often isn't about grabbing headlines. In fact, the most important work our government undertakes is quiet, practical and steady but nonetheless nation shaping. The work of good government is about delivering real results for Australians. It's the work of building a stronger, fairer Australia.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill we are debating today embodies just that. It's legislation that strengthens confidence in our markets, improves the way our regulators operate and supports the long-term growth of our economy. It is wide ranging, ambitious and forward looking. It covers corporate transparency, charity oversight, financial regulator reviews, energy market protections and support for small businesses through the extension of the instant asset write-off. On the surface these may appear as separate policy threads, but at its heart this legislation is bound by three principles: investment, transparency and accountability. These are not abstract concepts. They are the foundations that drive productivity, build public trust and will create a fairer, stronger Australia. They are the pillars upon which our economy rests and upon which communities thrive. After a wasted decade under the previous government, a decade of drift, instability and economic neglect, it is refreshing to debate a bill that actually builds, rather than breaks down.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let's begin with corporate transparency. Trust is the foundation of any strong economy. Without it, our markets, institutions and investors are weakened and left exposed. When transparency fails, hidden ownership and undisclosed positions thrive and quiet power falls into the hands of those who operate in the shadows. It allows tax avoidance, corruption and manipulation to take root, threatening jobs, savings and public confidence. But, as the saying goes, sunlight is the best disinfectant. If we want Australians to have confidence in our markets, if we want everyday investors, superannuation funds, journalists and academics to trust the system, we must know who really controls our companies. We must lift the veil on complex corporate structures and ensure that accountability is embedded into our economic framework.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is precisely what Labor governments do. We shine a light. We restore and build public trust. We ensure that the economy works for people, not the other way around. Under our leadership, we have introduced world-leading country-by-country reporting, requiring multinational companies to disclose where they make their profits and where they pay—or don't pay—their tax. We mandated that companies bidding for government contracts disclose the tax residency of their subsidiaries. These reforms weren't just bureaucratic exercises; they were about fairness, accountability and the integrity of our economy. This bill builds on that work. It strengthens corporate transparency, restores trust and ensures that the Australian economy is fair and accessible.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Compare this to the decade under the coalition, a decade where corporate tax avoidance was winked at, regulators were left toothless, and integrity and accountability weren't even on the radar. Nothing was done to prevent abuse or to ensure fairness. Under this government, integrity and accountability are well and truly back on the radar, because, when markets are fair and transparent, confidence grows and, when confidence grows, our economy grows. That growth reaches every worker, every household and every community across the nation.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But transparency isn't just about corporations. This bill also reforms the charity and not-for-profit sector, one of the largest employers in Australia, supporting over 1.4 million jobs and contributing more than $190 billion annually to our economy. Charities reach every corner of our nation, supporting those in need, promoting community and driving innovation in social services. A strong charity sector is vital for a strong Australia. It builds connection, trust and solidarity. It fills gaps, lifts people up and helps hold our country together in times of crisis. And yet, right now, public trust in charities is undermined by secrecy.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Currently, if a charity is under investigation for serious misconduct, the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission, ACNC, cannot confirm this publicly. This lack of transparency diminishes public confidence and undermines the work of the vast majority of charities that operate ethically and effectively. Australians who donate their hard-earned money deserve the confidence to know that it's being used for good. Volunteers deserve to know that the organisations they serve are honest and accountable. This bill backs in the thousands of Aussies who give their time and their money. It strengthens trust in the sector by allowing the ACNC to make limited disclosures where necessary to prevent harm and reassure the public, because trust matters.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">And trust is not just a national concern; it's local. In my electorate of Maribyrnong we are so fortunate to have some extraordinary community organisations: Helping Hands in Airport West, the Caroline Chisholm Society in Essendon, local neighbourhood houses in Niddrie and Kensington, and countless other grassroots initiatives that knit our community together. These organisations rely on donations and volunteers and on public confidence. They cannot afford for a few bad actors to undermine their work.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill also contributes to the broader vision, doubling philanthropic giving by 2030, harmonising fundraising rules, expanding pathways to deductible gift recipient status and ensuring that the charity sector has a real voice through representation on the ACNC board. These are nation-building reforms, strengthening the very fabric of our society.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Contrast this with the coalition's decade, a period where charities were muzzled, advocates gagged and resources directed to culture wars rather than community building. This government, in contrast, backs charities, backs philanthropy and backs Australians—the millions who give their time, their money and their hearts to making our communities stronger. And 'stronger' is the key word when it comes to our financial regulators. For too long ASIC and APRA have been constrained by inadequate oversight and weakened by the previous government's neglect.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 3 shifts the Financial Regulator Assessment Authority to a five-year review cycle. This is sensible and practical. It allows regulators to implement meaningful reforms between assessments, ensuring the stability of our financial system while avoiding the churn of constant short-term audits. Regulation should be about steady, thoughtful governance, and that is what our government remains methodically focused on.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This Labor government is strengthening foundations, ensuring that regulators can protect consumers, investors and businesses alike. In contrast, the coalition lurches from one crisis to the next. It is reactive and unprepared. This bill restores strength and oversight where it was absent, providing stability, predictability and confidence in the institutions that Australians rely on.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedules 4 and 5 may seem minor, but they are essential. They correct drafting errors, close loopholes and align provisions across legislation. These may seem technical, even mundane, but the impact is profound. Consider, for example: ensuring that sustainability reports, whether mandatory or voluntary, carry limited liability protections, encouraging disclosure rather than discouraging it; streamlining deregistration processes so that businesses are not hampered by red tape; and clarifying import tax credits to ensure that businesses are not penalised unfairly or caught in double claims. These measures demonstrate thoughtful, effective governance. They remove obstacles to compliance, strengthen clarity, and ensure that laws operate as intended.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The previous government had 10 years to implement such reforms. They did not, because good governance was not their priority. But it is ours, which is why we're also focused on delivering for Australians fairness and protection in the energy market, especially as we transition to cleaner sources of power. This bill extends the consumer safeguards of the Treasury Laws Amendment (Prohibiting Energy Market Misconduct) Act until 2031. Independent reviews confirm that these safeguards are effective. They constrain misconduct, protect households and businesses, and ensure a level playing field.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I've spoken to families in Keilor East and small businesses in Ascot Vale, who want to know that they've got a government that is focused on helping them manage their needs and their energy costs, and that's exactly what we're doing. Whether it's energy bill relief or cheaper batteries so they can take advantage of more renewable energy in the market, these are all safeguards that this bill delivers. When it comes to cleaner, cheaper energy, this is what this government will remain steadfastly focused on.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Contrast that with those opposite, who had previously opposed the original legislation, who are against cheaper power through renewable initiatives, and who said no to relief for households and small businesses. When it comes to energy, all those opposite can offer is division and delay, whereas we will continue to offer protection, fairness and a just transition to cheaper, cleaner energy. Every day that we're in this place we're backing households and small businesses. This bill includes a measure to help Australian small businesses invest, grow and prosper.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 7 extends the $20,000 instant asset write-off until 30 June 2026. This helps businesses with an annual turnover under $10 million improve cash flow and reduce compliance costs. Small businesses can continue to immediately deduct eligible assets costing less than $20,000. Whether it's a cafe in Moonee Ponds buying a new coffee machine or a tradesperson from Oak Park purchasing new tools, up to 4.1 million businesses nationwide, including more than 1.15 million in my home state of Victoria, can access this support. Small businesses are the backbone of our economy. They are the tradies, the handymen and the family-run shops, cafes and hairdressers that give character and vibrancy to our suburbs. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This instant asset write-off was first introduced by Labor because cash flow is everything for small businesses. Time-limited extensions like this balance practical support with responsible fiscal management and allow settings to adapt to economic conditions. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This measure complements other steps to support small businesses, including $900 million through the National Productivity Fund to cut red tape; $33.4 million to improve payment times and strengthen oversight; over $60 million to boost digital and cybersecurity capabilities; and broader support, like our two new tax cuts, $150 in energy relief for over a million businesses, cheaper home batteries and protections against unfair trading practices. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese government is backing Australia's small businesses to thrive, with practical measures that improve cash flow, lift productivity and build confidence because this is how good government supports growth and opportunity—with actions, not hollow slogans like those opposite. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To conclude, let us be absolutely clear about what this bill delivers. It strengthens corporate transparency and accountability, ensuring markets are fair and trustworthy. It maintains trust in charities, giving confidence to donors, volunteers and our communities. It improves governance of financial regulators, providing stability and thoughtful oversight. It tidies up our laws so they can work as intended, removing unnecessary obstacles and clarifying protections. It extends energy market safeguards, protecting households and businesses alike. And it gives small businesses certainty and confidence, supporting investment growth and local economies. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In short, this bill builds, protects and delivers. It rejects another decade of drift, secrecy and neglect. It demonstrates a government that understands its responsibility to everyday Australians, to businesses, to charities and to families. For the people of Maribyrnong, and indeed all Australians, this bill represents the kind of government they deserve: fair, transparent, accountable and committed to building a better future—a government that delivers on its promises, strengthens institutions and safeguards the economy for all. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is not abstract policy; this is practical, nation-shaping work—work that restores trust, drives growth and protects the values Australians hold dear. That is why I commend to build the House. </span>
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                <name role="metadata">Scamps, Sophie MP</name>
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                <electorate>Mackellar</electorate>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr SCAMPS</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mackellar</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:22</span>):  I rise to speak on the Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025 and, whilst not declining to give this bill a second reading, I move:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">That all words after "House" be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) notes that the bill continues the practice of legislating the instant asset write-off measure annually, which creates uncertainty and discourages investment at a time when many small businesses are already struggling; and</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) calls on the Government to do more to support small businesses, including:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) making the instant asset write-off permanent; and</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) adopting a $20,000 tax-free threshold for small business operators with annual turnover of less than $10 million, as proposed by the Member for Mackellar".</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me start by saying that much of what's in this bill is sensible. It makes some important technical fixes and introduces a range of amendments across financial services, corporate regulation and taxation, including enhancing ownership disclosure for listed entities, implementing a recommendation of the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission legislation review and extending consumer protections in the energy market. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It also legislates the instant asset write-off for small businesses. But, once again, we see this important measure being extended for just one year. Once again, small businesses will be left in limbo, holding on, waiting to see if the government will renew the measure next year. This is not how we should be treating the backbone of our economy. It is beyond time that we gave small businesses the certainty they deserve.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As I said, the bulk of this bill is sensible and necessary. Schedule 1 is about corporate transparency. It enhances the rules around substantial holdings and beneficial ownership for listed entities, making it clearer who really owns and controls companies operating in Australia. It brings interests arriving from equity derivatives into the disclosure regime so that all types of interests are treated consistently. It also ensures that foreign registered entities listed on Australian markets meet the same disclosure standards as local companies. Importantly, it gives ASIC stronger powers to enforce compliance and increases penalties for misconduct, ultimately cracking down on hidden ownership and improving corporate accountability—something I strongly support and something that is broadly supported by major interest groups, including the Australasian Investor Relations Association, the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors, MUFG Corporate Markets, Ownership Matters, Transparency International Australia and the Tax Justice Network Australia. People in Mackellar expect fairness and they expect transparency. They want to see government hold corporations to account, and this measure helps deliver that.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 2 deals with the charities and not-for-profit sector. It gives the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission more power to disclose information about investigations and regulatory actions when it is in the public interest. This comes directly from the independent review of the ACNC, which recommended:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">… The Commissioner be given a discretion to disclose information about regulatory activities (including investigations) when it is necessary to protect public trust and confidence in the sector.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Charities and not-for-profits do vital work in our communities. They support mental health, homelessness, education, the environment and so much more. Public confidence in their integrity is essential, and transparency is the foundation of that confidence.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 4 makes technical amendments to the Scams Prevention Framework. These may be minor and technical amendments, but they matter. The people of Mackellar consistently tell me, loud and clear, that they are sick of scams. Whether it is credit card fraud, cybercrime and data breaches or transactions involving faulty products or impersonation fraud: it is hurting people and it is eroding trust. This bill clarifies the functions and powers of the Scams Prevention Framework general regulator, but let's be clear: the government's Scams Prevention Framework only goes part way. We need a whole-of-government crackdown on scams and a presumption of reimbursement as recommended by consumer advocates, including the Consumer Action Law Centre, CHOICE and the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network. Victims should not be further punished by having to wait months, and often years, for reimbursement, and I will keep pushing for this reimbursement model.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 5 is a set of machinery amendments. Schedule 6 extends the energy market misconduct provisions. In 2017, the ACCC was asked to conduct a detailed inquiry into the retail electricity market, looking at both supply and the competitiveness of pricing. This inquiry, the retail electricity pricing inquiry, or REPI, delivered its final report to the government in July 2018. It found that, over the previous decade, average residential electricity bills had risen by more than 35 per cent in real terms.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The report identified a wide range of contributing factors and put forward 56 recommendations, aimed at bringing down prices and restoring consumer confidence. In addition to implementing many of those recommendations, the government introduced the Treasury Laws Amendment (Prohibiting Energy Market Misconduct) Act in 2019. It was designed to address some of the causes of sharply increasing electricity prices in the decade to 2017.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">With key provisions due to sunset shortly, it's reasonable for the government to extend these provisions for another five years following the review by the Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water into how they have impacted market efficiency, reliability, affordability, emissions and investment, but let's be honest: extending misconduct rules is not enough. If the government is serious about lowering energy prices, it must go beyond market reforms and regulations and home energy efficiency upgrades. It must stop backing and approving expensive fossil fuel projects, like Narrabri gas.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Research by the Institute for Energy, Economics and Financial Analysis shows that gas from Narrabri is up to 40 per cent more expensive than gas from Queensland. Narrabri gas will drive up prices, not to mention locking in decades of pollution and making our already weak climate targets harder to meet. It will lock us into high-cost fossil fuels and it will undermine our transition to clean energy. Extending energy market misconduct provisions as this bill does may be a sensible step, but cheaper, more reliable energy will be a pipedream if the government continues to lock in expensive gas infrastructure that undermines affordability and competitiveness.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As I said, much of this bill is reasonable and sensible; however, I am concerned about the measures in schedule 3. These change how often the Financial Regulator Assessment Authority conducts reviews of the Australian Securities and Investments Commission, ASIC, and the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority, APRA. The bill decreases the frequency of those reviews from every two years to every five years, ostensibly to lessen the regulatory burden on ASIC and APRA and to allow for a more comprehensive review process of these financial regulators. However, this is contrary to the recommendations of the Senate Economics References Committee, which in its inquiry into ASIC's investigation and enforcement activities recommended that the Australian government reverse its decision announced in the 2023-24 budget to reduce the frequency of Financial Regulator Assessment Authority reviews from every two years to every five years and that the FRAA undertake an inquiry into the effectiveness of the oversight mechanisms of corporate regulators.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The ability of our corporate regulators to do their job to hold financial entities to account and to regulate financial services and products in a way that protects consumers is absolutely paramount. This has been made painfully clear by the collapse of the First Guardian and Shield master funds, which have left more than 12,000 investors, including many retirees, facing devastating losses exceeding $1 billion in total. These Australian managed investment schemes were allegedly riddled with misconduct. ASIC is now conducting multiple investigations into these collapses and seeking to preserve any remaining assets, but this case exposes serious flaws in our financial regulatory system and the importance of our regulators.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I have heard directly from people in my community who have been devastated by the collapse of First Guardian and are desperate for answers. We must ensure our regulators are empowered, resourced and independent enough to act swiftly and decisively in cases such as this, and I do not believe the government have sufficiently explained their decision to reduce the frequency of assessments of the effectiveness and capability of ASIC and APRA at a time like this.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Finally, schedule 7 is about the instant asset write-off. This measure has been rolled over year after year, one year at a time, always tucked into treasury laws amendments bills like this one, and every year small businesses are left wondering: 'Will it be renewed? Can I plan ahead? Can I invest?' The write-off itself is good. It helps small businesses invest in tools, equipment and upgrades. It improves cash flow and it reduces compliance costs. But the way it's delivered, one year at a time, with no certainty, is just not good enough. I've spoken to many local businesses—cafe owners, tradies, retailers and creatives—all trying to grow their businesses and trying to plan ahead, and they're tired of the uncertainty. To give small businesses the confidence they deserve, I implore this government to finally make the measure permanent.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But we should go further. That's why I have proposed a $20,000 tax-free threshold for all small businesses with an annual turnover of less than $10 million. This simple change could reduce a small business's tax bill by up to $5,000 a year—money that could be reinvested in innovation, energy efficiency, staffing, renovations or simply provide some much-needed cost-of-living relief. I strongly believe that it is the small-business owners themselves that are best placed to decide how to reinvest the savings into their businesses.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This policy is the product of months of conversations, listening and walking the streets of Mackellar. I have spent countless hours doorknocking local small businesses and hearing from them about just how tough the last few years have been. Businesses have told me repeatedly about rising costs, shrinking margins and the sheer pressure of trying to stay afloat. Our shopping strips have too many empty shopfronts, and behind every one is a story of struggle, resilience and, often, frustration. I ran a local business survey, and the results were clear. A staggering 86 per cent of respondents said that the escalating cost of doing business was their No. 1 concern.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Additionally, the Council of Small Business Organisations Australia has long called for meaningful relief from the tax burden placed on small businesses, and they are right. Small businesses don't need gimmicks or policies that reward long lunches. They need real, practical support to help them grow, innovate and invest in their future. When small businesses thrive, they create jobs, lift productivity and strengthen our communities. But COSBOA has identified a major barrier to innovation. It is access to finance. A $20,000 tax-free threshold for small businesses would help unlock the capital they need to invest in new ideas, improve efficiency and build resilience. These are the kinds of reforms we need, not just temporary fixes like the yearly extension of the instant asset write-off but structural changes that give small businesses the certainty and support they deserve because they are the backbone of our communities. They are our cafe owners, florists, tradies, creatives and carers. They deserve a tax system that works for them.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">So, in conclusion, yes, much of this bill is sensible. It improves transparency, strengthens oversight and supports consumer protections. While I support the extension of the energy market misconduct rules, I urge the government to take real action on energy affordability, starting with cancelling expensive gas projects like Narrabri. Secondly, I believe the government needs to better explain the decision to reduce the frequency of the assessments of ASIC and APRA, particularly at a time when many Australians are reeling from the collapse of First Guardian and looking to our corporate regulators for answers and resolutions. Finally, I urge this government to stop extending the instant asset write-off in a piecemeal fashion one year at a time. Small businesses deserve better.</span>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
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                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Chesters</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  Is the amendment seconded?</span>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Chaney:</span>
                    </a>  I second the amendment and reserve my right to speak.</span>
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                  <name role="metadata">Chesters, Lisa MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>249710</name.id>
                  <electorate>Bendigo</electorate>
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                  <name role="metadata">Chaney, Kate MP</name>
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                  <electorate>Curtin</electorate>
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                <name role="metadata">Coffey, Renee MP</name>
                <name.id>312323</name.id>
                <electorate>Griffith</electorate>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms COFFEY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Griffith</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:37</span>):  Before coming to this place, I had the honour of working and volunteering in the Australian charity and non-profit sector for more than two decades as a volunteer, a fundraiser, a leader of teams, a CEO and a board director of other charities and nonprofits working within the sector. In that time, I had the opportunity to work to advance reconciliation between the broader community and First Nations people in South Australia, to empower young people across Australia to thrive beyond the impacts of family mental illness and to support more than 1,000 First Nations young people from communities throughout Australia to gain transformative scholarships. With each of the charities and nonprofits, I have been proud to work at the intersection of government, corporate and philanthropic bodies to help deliver remarkable outcomes for our community through genuine partnerships, where the whole is truly greater than the sum of its parts.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Every single day in my career and my volunteering in Australia, and especially in my electorate of Griffith, I saw volunteers, donors, partners, fundraisers and community organisations roll up their sleeves to help where governments and markets cannot. In Camp Hill, a Care Kits for Kids volunteer packs a backpack for a child who has recently entered foster care. In Musgrave Park, a Rosies volunteer hands a warm cup of coffee to someone sleeping rough. In a Morningside warehouse, a Foodbank worker manoeuvres a forklift to place another pallet of rescued food in place, ready for collection. In South Brisbane, a new, life-saving, state-of-the-art incubator is wheeled into a ward with funding from the Mater Foundation and Mater Little Miracles.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Charities and nonprofits enrich our communities. They support families and vulnerable Australians in tough times, and they deliver services that we, as governments, could not deliver alone. I am so proud of our Australian charity and not-for-profit sector.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The sector has grown significantly in the last 20 years, becoming a vital economic contributor and employment powerhouse. In 2012 the Labor government established the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission, ACNC, the national regulator of charities. The ACNC was established to achieve the following objects: (1) maintain, protect and enhance public trust and confidence in the Australian not-for-profit sector; (2) support and sustain a robust, vibrant, independent and innovative not-for-profit sector; and (3) promote the reduction of unnecessary regulatory obligations on the sector. The ACNC's five values—fairness, accountability and transparency, independence, integrity and respect—underpin its regulatory approach.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In the most recent charities report, ACNC commissioner Sue Woodward AM revealed:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Our data confirms the charity sector should not, and cannot, be ignored or underestimated. It is a powerhouse of good, bringing benefits to many people, and is an active economic contributor and driver.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Ms Woodward said:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Charities provide such a broad range of services that they touch almost every part of the economy.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">She also said:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Charities continue to be a key driver of the economy.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The ACNC has helped the charity sector by boosting public trust through its public register and accountability measures. It has reduced red tape for charities via the report-once-use-often framework and Charity Passport, and supported charities with guidance, education and resources to meet their obligations and improve operations. Charities that maintain their reporting to the ACNC demonstrate accountability not just to the ACNC but to donors, beneficiaries and the broader community. The ACNC's data is available to the general public online. The use of data acts as a model of good practice for the sector and provides information that can be used for advocacy, planning and program development. In 2023-24 there were 3.8 million views on the ACNC website. This oversight has helped build on the trust and confidence the Australian public feels towards our vibrant, innovative and essential charitable sector.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The contribution of Australian charities to the Australian workforce and the economy is significant. As of the most recent ACNC reporting period, Australian charities employ 1.4 million people, which is 10.7 per cent of the entire Australian workforce. In my time in the charity and non-profit sector, I worked alongside some of Australia's most influential, inspiring and impactful leaders, including the late Lowitja O'Donoghue AC, CBE, DSG and Professor Peter Buckskin PSM, FACE from Reconciliation SA; Michelle Penfold and Andrew Penfold AM from the Australian Indigenous Education Foundation; and, more recently, Patricia Reid, Sean O'Halloran and Mark Paterson AO from the Australian Kookaburra Kids Foundation—and so many others. The opportunity to have worked with these leaders in this sector is an opportunity that I remain incredibly thankful for, and that's not to mention the dozens of remarkable colleagues I was also able to work alongside over the last two decades.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Susan Pasco AM, the inaugural ACNC commissioner, observed: 'What is it that prompts people to work in the charity sector? After all, they are paid less than their counterparts in government or business and they work under considerable public visibility, scrutiny and red tape. Overwhelmingly, charity workers are motivated to do good for others. Whether they are providing assistance to vulnerable members of the Australian and international communities, advocating on human rights or environmental issues, fundraising for the arts or medical research, or providing spiritual support, these tireless workers generally see a gap, deficit or area for enrichment and commit their energies, intellects and personal resources to making their communities better places.' This sector is filled with over 1½ million workers, working hard and with integrity to advance health, social and public welfare, education and animal welfare and to protect the natural environment.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">For the sector, we know, as the Assistant Minister for Productivity, Competition, Charities and Treasury, Andrew Leigh, recently shared in this place, 'transparency provides the oxygen that accountability requires'. This is what the ACNC offers the sector. And in this, my new role, here in this place, I see that an important part of our work in this place is to ensure that the sector is supported with appropriate legislative changes where needed.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Each month, the ACNC receives reports of concerns about a number of charities. In 2023-24, for example, just over 2,000 concerns were received. I understand from the ACNC that many of the concerns can be handled with guidance and regulatory advice or through referral to a relevant agency. However, a small portion are referred to the ACNC compliance area for examination. When complaints are raised with charities, I understand that, overwhelmingly, they will move to rectify the situation or to improve their practice. The more serious or persistent cases move to investigation, often with the involvement of other regulatory intelligence or security agencies.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The ACNC make judicious use of their enforcement powers and are able to revoke a charity's charitable status. In the 2023-24 financial year, the ACNC revoked the registration of nine charities due to compliance action and separately revoked a total of 190 charity registrations for reasons that include failure to submit their annual information statements. This legislation, the Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025, will allow the ACNC to assure charities and donors that it is acting on issues of public concern and strengthening compliance, which will in turn boost public confidence that the sector is doing the right thing.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 2 of the legislation allows the commissioner of the ACNC to make disclosures about new or ongoing investigations where the disclosure would prevent or minimise the risk of significant harm. Secrecy provisions previously prevented the ACNC from disclosing whether it was investigating alleged misconduct by a charity. This adversely impacted public trust and confidence in the sector and in the ACNC as an effective regulator. By increasing public trust and confidence in charities and the ACNC, this reform will help to ensure donors and philanthropists continue their support for the sector. This will contribute to the government's commitment to double philanthropy by 2030.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In my previous work in the charity and non-profit sector I saw firsthand how important donor trust is. Every dollar we received was a dollar entrusted to us by the community. Without transparency and without accountability, we simply could not do the work and we couldn't achieve the outcomes. Sue Woodward AM recently shared:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Trust is the foundation upon which the charity sector is built. It underpins donor confidence, volunteer engagement and the overall effectiveness of charity activities. While charities are traditionally viewed as one of our most trusted institutions, this can't be taken for granted.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When we speak about fostering and upholding trust in the sector, I am compelled to also recognise the outstanding work of Fundraising Institute Australia, which is an organisation I had the honour of working alongside as a board director. As a national peak body for professional fundraising, FIA sets the standards that ensure integrity, transparency and accountability across the sector. Their training, accreditation and advocacy support thousands of fundraisers to do their work ethically and effectively, building confidence among donors and strengthening the impact of every dollar raised. I acknowledge their important work in the sector.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill doesn't just stand alone. It complements a suite of reforms including new pathways to deductible gift recipient status, harmonisation of fundraising rules across states and territories and greater sector representation at the ACNC board. Together these measures strengthen governance, reduce red tape and give donors confidence that their generosity is respected. I am a passionate supporter of our charities and non-profit sector and I am heartened by these reforms. We, as the Australian government, should do all we can to support this vital sector and its work. My wholehearted vision for the Australian charity and non-profit sector is where government and community have high expectations for transparency, compliance and, most importantly, outcomes, and where government builds capacity, provides clarity and delivers certainty for individual not-for-profits and to the broader sector.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In every corner of our country Australians give their time, their skill and their hearts to make life better for others, and our charities and not-for-profits are the engines of that generosity. This bill strengthens the framework that supports their work, ensuring that trust, transparency and integrity remain at the centre of our national charitable life. When donors, volunteers and communities have confidence in the system, they give more, and together we can achieve more. By reinforcing the ACNC's ability to uphold accountability, we are safeguarding the sector's future and honouring the millions who contribute to it. This bill is another important step to building a stronger, fairer and more compassionate Australia.</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2186</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Chaney, Kate MP</name>
                <name.id>300006</name.id>
                <electorate>Curtin</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
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                <first.speech />
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms CHANEY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Curtin</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:49</span>):  I'd like to speak today in support of the Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025. Schedules 1 to 6 of the bill contain reforms that address consumer protection, financial transparency and responsible lending. These are measures that I believe are in the public interest and would be supported by the constituents and businesses in Curtin. I think they're sensible measures, and I won't be specifically addressing them in any more detail today. But I would like to take the opportunity to make very brief remarks on schedule 7, which amends the Income Tax (Transitional Provisions) Act 1997 to extend the $20,000 instant asset write-off for small businesses until 30 June 2026.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As I've said in the House before, the $20,000 write-off is a practical and effective way to support the small businesses that form the backbone of our economy. It allows eligible businesses to immediately deduct the cost of assets up to $20,000, rather than depreciating them over time. This improves cash flow, simplifies accounting and encourages investment in productivity-enhancing equipment. The measure applies to up to four million small businesses with turnover of under $10 million. It's a practical change that will make measurable differences for small businesses, including about 20,000 small businesses in my electorate of Curtin, many of whom I've spoken to. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's worth noting that this was almost a failed Labor promise earlier this year, when the announced extension to June 2025 was still not legislated in the last sitting week before the end of the financial year. We were contacted by small businesses who were stuck in limbo and uncertainty as they were waiting and hoping for the extension to be enacted. This had been announced but not legislated, and many small businesses had incurred the expense on the expectation that the $20,000 write-off would apply in the 2024-25 financial year and were shaping up for a nasty surprise. It was only after crossbench pressure, advocacy from me and other Independents, that the legislation was passed in time in May this year. It's a good example of how the crossbench is listening to the community and holding the government to account. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I commend the government for extending and legislating the write-off to 30 June 2026, this time in a timely fashion. It does gives small businesses the confidence to continue to invest and plan ahead. But we also must consider the long-term stability of the measure. The threshold has changed multiple times over the years, and that inconsistency undermines its effectiveness. Small businesses in Curtin need this certainty so they can keep investing in growing our local economy. If we're serious about supporting small businesses, we should make the write-off permanent and index the threshold to inflation to ensure that it remains relevant and reliable. That's why I've seconded the member for Mackellar's amendment to extend this measure beyond one year and make it a more permanent feature of our tax system so that small businesses can make investments in productivity-enhancing improvements with certainty. So I commend that amendment and this bill to the House.</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2187</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Husic, Ed MP</name>
                <name.id>91219</name.id>
                <electorate>Chifley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                    <a href="91219" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr HUSIC</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Chifley</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:53</span>):  There are two central ingredients in our financial system. One is obvious, and the other one Labor recognises as equally important. Obviously the first one is money, but the other necessary, vital ingredient is trust. Australians should be able to trust their financial system and know when they save, invest or seek help that they're dealing with institutions that will act with integrity. I know that there's a bit of a trend at the moment. We're going through our normal cycle of focusing on red tape and reducing regulation. I understand that we have to go through these phases, and we'll go through it, no doubt. But, when it comes to the financial system, regulations are there for very important reasons—the reasons I mentioned before, not the least of which is to underscore, reinforce and support trust in the system.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025, as my colleagues have reflected, covers a number of areas that will be of great interest to Australians, but one of the big areas in here will be around improving the frequency of assessments of how our regulators are performing and supporting their work in maintaining that trust, that vital ingredient that I mentioned earlier, specifically delivering more comprehensive reviews of the Australian Securities and Investments Commission and the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority. This will help deliver more considered recommendations that are impossible under their current review cycle. It's designed to improve the effectiveness of our financial system regulations. It is exceptionally important. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Trust itself, in our financial system, isn't a given; it's got to be earned, and it's got to be continually protected. I have to say that, like many people in the public, I was simply staggered to see ANZ fined a record $240 million in penalties after admitting to widespread longstanding misconduct that affected tens of thousands of Australians. This was the largest penalty that ASIC had ever sought against a company—the largest ever. Why? It was because ANZ, one of the big four banks, misled the Commonwealth on a $14 billion bond deal, overstating bond trading volumes by tens of billions of dollars. It failed to respond to hundreds of customer hardship notices. It underpaid interest to tens of thousands of customers. It charged fees to the deceased while ignoring grieving families trying to settle estates. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This isn't a one-off. ASIC has—and this is, again, just as staggering—taken action against ANZ nearly a dozen times in the decade. This points to systemic misconduct. Even more importantly, it's happening against the backdrop of a 2019 royal commission into the banking system that was designed to weed out this type of misconduct and, equally, to improve governance—exceptionally important. When you look at ANZ's performance, given the things that I've just mentioned to the House, it seems like ANZ is not getting the message. If they can't get the message after a royal commission, then sterner, harder action needs to be followed up until they do get it. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I think it's important for the House to understand why ANZ was the target of the biggest fine that has been levied against a company. Let me read into <span style="font-style:italic;">Hansard</span>, based on information released by ASIC, what happened. ANZ was accused of 'unconscionable conduct when managing a $14 billion government bond deal and inaccurate reporting of secondary market bond turnover'. The ASIC media release reads:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">On 19 April 2023, ANZ was assisting the Government's sovereign debt management agency, the Australian Office of Financial Management (AOFM), to help deliver a $14 billion bond issuance.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Instead of trading gradually throughout the day to limit market impact, ANZ sold a significant volume of 10-year Australian bond futures around the time of pricing which placed undue downward price pressure on the bond price. ANZ knew—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">according to ASIC—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">its trading could expose its client to significant risk of harm, but did not disclose to its client that ANZ still had significant volumes to sell before pricing nor provide its client an opportunity to consult with ANZ about delaying pricing.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is extraordinary behaviour. The release continues:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">This denied the Government an opportunity to protect itself and the public interest—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">when it came to $14 billion worth of bonds—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">The Government was relying on ANZ's expertise and professionalism. When the Government later asked what happened—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">this is equally damning—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">ANZ's reports were misleading or deceptive.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The point I would make about this is that, if ANZ did not even blink to do this to the Commonwealth, imagine how they are treating mum-and-dad consumers. If they are prepared to mislead the Commonwealth and do what they did, what else are they doing in terms of impacting on the security and the interests of mum-and-dad consumers? This is critically important.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's also worth noting just the number of times that this bank, ANZ, has been found to engage in misconduct. Again, with the indulgence of the House, I will read this into <span style="font-style:italic;">Hansard</span>:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-SmallBullet">In 2023, ANZ was ordered to pay a $900,000 penalty for breaching continuous disclosure laws when undertaking a $2.5 billion institutional share placement in 2015 …</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-SmallBullet">In 2023, ANZ was ordered to pay a $10 million penalty for contravening the Credit Act by accepting information and documents from unlicensed third parties in its home loan introducer program …</span>
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                <p class="HPS-SmallBullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-SmallBullet">In 2023, ANZ was ordered to pay a $15 million penalty for breaching the Credit Act and the ASIC Act for misleading customers about their available funds for certain credit card accounts, resulting in fees and interest charges …</span>
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                <p class="HPS-SmallBullet" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-SmallBullet">In 2022, ANZ was ordered to pay a $25 million penalty for 155,868—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">over 150,000—</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">contraventions of the ASIC Act, Corporations Act and Credit Act for failing to provide promised benefits to customers with offset transaction accounts or under a 'Breakfree' package over 20 years …</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-SmallBullet">In 2020, ANZ was ordered to pay a $10 million penalty for breaching the Corporations Act and the ASIC Act in relation to 327,898 instances of unconscionable conduct …</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-SmallBullet">In 2018, ANZ was ordered to pay a $5 million penalty for breaching responsible lending provisions …</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-SmallBullet">In 2017, ANZ was ordered to pay a $10 million penalty for contraventions of the Corporations Act and the ASIC Act …</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We had a banking royal commission. This type of behaviour was supposed to be weeded out. We clearly have a bank, in ANZ, that has not picked up the message. As I indicated to the House earlier, if ANZ is prepared to deceive the Commonwealth on bond issuance, you can see what it's prepared to do to other people, based on some of the contraventions I just read into <span style="font-style:italic;">Hansard</span>, which have genuinely affected mum-and-dad and other regular customers as well.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I congratulate ASIC, most definitely, on the fact they've taken this stand. It is really important not just that our regulators have the teeth but that they use them, and they did. But if anything, with the greatest of respect and regard to ASIC, while I do acknowledge the scale of the penalty that has been imposed, given the rap sheet for ANZ it would certainly be within their ability to go even harder than the $240 million. I'm not alone in thinking this. Jeannie Paterson, professor of law in consumer protection at the University of Melbourne, said that, while the $240 million is the largest penalty ever sought, the amount that actually can be imposed on financial institutions for contraventions of financial services law is way higher. So, while $240 million is big, it could and should have been bigger. Professor Paterson said:</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Under provisions in place from 2019, the civil penalty could have been set at 10% of ANZ's annual turnover, currently capped at $825 million per contravention.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">One point of comparison is the $125 million penalty ordered against Volkswagen in 2019 for misleading consumers about emissions (and later upheld on appeal). Notably, this was one contravention, not four as the case with the ANZ.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">ANZ agreed to the penalty because they would rather do that than fight this in court and be further exposed for their poor governance behaviour and framework. But certainly we do need to take a harder line. In particular, where ASIC has the ability to pursue tougher penalties against banks, it should.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's often said that the big four are too big to fail. But they can't be too big to be fined, and they should be fined hard where they breach trust. As I said, it's absolutely critical that people have trust in our financial system and that they have faith in the way the regulators pursue breaches of trust. This legislation will be an important step in giving further strength and improving the efficiency of our financial regulations. But if the behaviour of ANZ post the banking royal commission is anything to go by—and the number of contraventions and the fact that it secured the biggest corporate fine—then we need to go harder to protect trust in the financial system, and I'd certainly urge ASIC to do so.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2189</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Watson-Brown, Elizabeth MP</name>
                <name.id>300127</name.id>
                <electorate>Ryan</electorate>
                <party>AG</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="300127" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms WATSON-BROWN</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Ryan</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:05</span>):  I rise to speak to the Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025. The Greens are supporting the bill in the House, but we reserve our position for the Senate, pending a Senate inquiry into the bill. This bill introduces several treasury measures, and I'm going to speak to schedule 1 of the bill, relating to beneficial ownership reforms, and schedule 7, relating to the instant asset write-off. Schedule 7 extends the $20,000 instant asset write-off for small businesses until 30 June 2026. This was a policy the Greens took to the election, so we welcome the Labor government getting on board.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Greens understand how important small businesses are to our communities and to the broader economy. I very much understand this myself from deep and long-term personal experience—many decades as a director of my own small and then larger business. Small businesses make a huge contribution to Australian society and to the economy. And we know that too many small businesses are struggling right now in the wake of the pandemic and with high inflation and interest rates, and these employers of so many Australians need some extra support.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Extending the instant asset write-off will give small businesses the certainty they need to invest in their businesses, which will have flow-on benefits for their customers, workers, the communities they're based in and, indeed, the whole economy. Schedule 1 of the bill relates to beneficial ownership obligations for listed entities. Last term, Labor failed their election promise to legislate to create a public register of ultimate beneficial ownership. This term, we get this bill, which marginally improves existing disclosure obligations but does not address private companies or trusts and does not create a publicly accessible register.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Did you report your income and investments to the ATO? If you did, then you're probably not a billionaire or a massive multinational corporation. Just last week a report from Global Energy Monitor found that people profiting from 22 million tonnes of Australia's annual CO2 emissions are hiding their identity behind nominee companies. Nominee companies are the fossil fuel industry's favourite middlemen. They hide the real owners of shares, letting coal, oil and gas profiteers cash in from the shadows. Last term, Labor failed on their election promise to legislate to create a public register of ultimate beneficial ownership. That's because billionaires and the powerful owners of these companies lobbied the government and convinced them to back down on their election promise, because they just don't want that gravy train to stop.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">If you're a nurse, a teacher or a small-business owner living in my electorate of Ryan, you paid more income tax than almost a third of Australia's largest companies. We need a public register of ultimate beneficial ownership, because billionaires and massive multinational corporations hide behind trusts and shadowy corporate structures to avoid accountability and to avoid paying their fair share of tax. Are you one of the lucky one-in-three massive multinational corporations that pays no tax in Australia?</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let's take a stroll down the corporate tax avoidance lane. The world's biggest meat producer, JBS, made $19 billion in income and paid zero dollars in tax. Massive gas and energy producer AGL made $12 billion in income and paid zero dollars in tax. Massive mining corporation Santos made $8 billion in income and paid zero dollars in tax. Transurban, the infrastructure company that owns and operates almost every toll road in Brisbane, received $3.2 billion in income and paid zero dollars in tax. Rupert Murdoch's media empire, News Australia Holdings, received $1.8 billion in income and paid zero dollars in tax. Microsoft's data centre in Australia received $1.5 billion in income. Guess what? They paid zero dollars in tax. Sony Australia received $1.5 billion in income and paid zero dollars in tax. Netflix Australia received $1.1 billion in income and paid zero dollars in tax. Optus telecom, infamous for its recent triple 0 outages, and its parent company received $8 billion in income and paid zero dollars in tax. You'd think, with that income that they could afford to spend some on reliable services for Australians.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">So why aren't the massive multinational corporations, who are recording billions in income, paying no tax? That's because Labor and the LNP refuse to close the huge loopholes that let big corporations keep stealing from everyday Australians. 'Hello? Triple 0? Yes, I have an emergency. My phone provider, Optus, made $8 billion in income last year and paid no corporate tax. Hello? Hello? Oh, the line dropped out again.' Optus is once again responsible for an outage in their service that has left customers unable to contact triple 0. There were 4½ thousand people affected by that outage, and services were impacted for nearly nine hours. That included 9 triple 0 calls made during that time. Last year, Telstra shut down its 3G services, which left some rural Queenslanders with either much poorer service or no mobile coverage at all. Despite making those billions in profits, they're providing poorer service to their customers.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But, in fairness, just like everyday Australians, these companies are doing it tough! In the 2023-24 financial year, Optus recorded a measly $8 billion in income, while Telstra reported a trivial $23.5 billion in income. With tiny incomes like those, how can we really blame these massive corporations for offering us more and more unreliable and poorer services for increasingly higher prices? Optus has clearly shown again that they choose profit over people. It's time these massive corporations started paying their fair share of tax and actually providing the essential services they claim to provide.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Privatisation has been an utter disaster for Australia. Labor started the asset fire sale in the nineties, and their greatest hits include Qantas, the Commonwealth Bank and CSL. But it was the Howard coalition government that initiated the sale of then publicly owned Telstra in 1997. Let's check in on just how Telstra is going. Just last week, Telstra was fined $18 million by the ACCC for misleading customers about NBN speeds. That was just last week. They've proudly told their investors they will sack Telstra staff across the country and provide a poorer service to customers by embracing AI. It's no wonder that, according to a Roy Morgan Research survey, Telstra is Australia's sixth least trusted corporation alongside such esteemed company as Temu and News Corp.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">None of this is news to everyday Australians. Selling off public assets has led to the downfall of both state and federal governments. Poll after poll shows people know that privatisation leads to higher prices and mainly benefits the corporate sector. Everyday Australians know what our politicians and the big corporations just don't seem to get: privatisation of essential services, like telecommunications, isn't sensible economic management; it just means higher prices for worse service. Essential services should stay in public hands.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Overall, the Greens are supporting this bill in the House because we know small businesses need more support, and we acknowledge that the bill makes marginal improvements to existing beneficial ownership obligations. However, we're reserving our position in the Senate. We need Labor to implement their 2022 election promise to deliver a public beneficial ownership register with actual teeth. Labor cannot let massive corporations and billionaires off the hook for another term.</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2190</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Ambihaipahar, Ash MP</name>
                <name.id>315618</name.id>
                <electorate>Barton</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="315618" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms AMBIHAIPAHAR</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Barton</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:14</span>):  I rise to speak on the Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025. This bill introduces a suite of measures that enhance transparency and accountability while also supporting our small businesses. These measures are at the core of the Albanese government's commitment to fairness. No matter whether you're a big multinational company or a mum-and-dad corner store, you should be upfront about your business and its structures. That's what the Australian public expects, and that's what this reform delivers. Too often, Labor governments are wrongly labelled as antibusiness or anticompetition. We're smashed as being hostile to hardworking Australian taxpayers who are just trying to get ahead, but this bill proves this wrong. The Albanese government is proud to introduce this bill to back small businesses, charities and consumers.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In this speech, I want to focus on four measures that this bill introduces or extends. They are the introduction of the public beneficial ownership register, the extension of the small business instant asset write-off, the new powers given to the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission and the extension of the provisions prohibiting energy market misconduct. Each of these measures stands up for the people who open up their high street shop each morning, staff their shop counters and pay the wages of local workers. In turn, these measures send a message to the multinational corporations who have the power to move their assets and hide their identities. We're backing family businesses who play by the rules, not the big corporations that bend them. No-one held back, no-one left behind and no-one more equal than others—that's the transparency, fairness and accountability that this bill and this government represent and which I'm proud to detail now.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill delivers on the first stage of the government's commitment to implement a public beneficial ownership register. A public beneficial ownership register is a database that is accessible to everyday people. On it, you'll be able to see who actually owns, controls or benefits from big multinational companies who operate here in Australia. If you conduct your business in Australia, then Australians should know who you are. This register is a huge step forward in increasing transparency, and from transparency comes greater fairness for taxpayers. The register will make it harder for multinationals to hide assets in shell companies. It will expose conflicts of interest and shed light on where exactly these businesses are based. All in all, this will crack down on multinational tax avoidance. Australia is not the place for big, powerful, multinational companies to hide. If you don't want to play by the rules, expect consequences.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These reforms also enhance ASIC's enforcement powers. It will be able to issue freezing notices when multinationals fail to comply. It can also issue tracing notices to entities to compel respondents to disclose details. The penalties for failing to disclose have also been increased. Of course, ASIC is also given the flexibility to determine what should be disclosed and how, in order to protect the personal information of those people involved. Such flexibility flows from the consultation undertaken by the Treasury on this bill. It ensures that individual privacy is not compromised while still retaining strict enforcement mechanisms. These are reforms with teeth. We are not just introducing a register for the sake of it. We want multinationals to be upfront about their structures, their tax and their activities.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">What is particularly important is that this information will be accessible to everyone, not just the regulators. Any person will be able to look at this register and understand who controls the big companies that impact their life. Dodgy operators have nowhere to hide. Everyday Australians and small local businesses have to be transparent come tax time. They spend their time and money crossing their t's and dotting their i's. It's time that billion-dollar companies do the same. This new public ownership register makes sure the same rules apply to everyone.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill also delivers the government's commitment to support small businesses by extending the $20,000 instant asset write-off by 12 months until 30 June 2026. The instant asset write-off is a tax break for small businesses that lets them immediately claim the cost of new equipment or assets rather than spreading the deduction over several years. The threshold applies per asset, which means a small business can claim multiple purchases. To be eligible, the business must have an annual turnover of under $10 million. In Barton, our high streets depend on small operators. We have buzzing local neighbourhoods because small businesses are able to set up shop. This write-off is about continuing to support these businesses and the locals they employ. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">With this instant asset write-off, offices might choose to upgrade their computer software, whilst tradies might purchase new tools and machinery. Takeaway shops might improve their point-of-sale systems, while hairdressers might install new signage on their facades. All of these common purchases go a long way to increasing the efficiency and effectiveness of the businesses. In turn, they can help bring more money through the front door and support their employees. Moreover, small businesses employ other locals to undertake upgrades and refurbishments. They look to local tradespeople, suppliers, service firms and fit-out contractors. The benefit is multiplied as those in the local community lift each other up. Furthermore, by claiming the full tax deduction upfront, small businesses are able to reduce their taxable incomes and thus increase their refunds. This means that cash stays in their businesses. This makes all the difference for small businesses operating with very tight margins. I know that the cost of doing business in Sydney is pretty difficult—rents are high, insurance can be expensive, technology is ever evolving. The $20,000 instant asset write-off is just one of the measures that this Albanese government is implementing to address these pressures. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We have also delivered additional energy bill relief for around one million small businesses and delivered two new tax cuts for every taxpayer. These cuts benefit around 1.5 million sole traders. On top of this, we've rolled out cheaper home batteries, so small businesses can slash energy bills for good, and extended unfair trading practice protections to small businesses.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Small businesses are the heart of unique and diverse local communities. From Princes Highway in Rockdale to Railway Parade in Kogarah and the hub around Forest Road in Hurstville, small businesses employ local people, cook incredible food and keep us caffeinated, fix our car, cut our hair and help us do our taxes. They help make Barton what it is. I'm proud to be part of a government aiding these small businesses. </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission is the national regulator for charities in Australia. It keeps track of which organisations qualify as charities, makes sure they play by the rules and helps the public see where charitable money goes. Clearly, the ACNC is essential for retaining public trust in our charity sector. That's why the Albanese government is making sure that the ACNC can disclose information about new and ongoing investigations where the disclosure would prevent or minimise the risk of significant harm. Previously, the ACNC could not publicly disclose whether it was conducting an investigation. In 2018, the ACNC review called out the secrecy provisions as being overly restrictive, as they meant that the public or donors may not have known whether the allegations or concerns about a charity were being addressed. </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Before entering parliament, I worked in the charity sector, and I still make sure to volunteer with local not-for-profit organisations. I hate that there are bad-faith actors that take advantage of the title 'charity'. It's a blight on the sector. It's an insult of the worst kind to the good people working every single day for the benefit of others. The fact that these bad-faith actors would take advantage of the most vulnerable in our community is disappointing. When a charity rorts the system, everyone loses including donors, volunteers and the people who need help most. </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These reforms protect our sector and punish those who seek to take advantage of it. Specifically, these reforms will allow the ACNC to assure charities and donors that it is acting on issues of public concern. It will now be able to disclose information about ongoing or newly commenced investigations. Of course, however, significant safeguards will apply to these disclosures, including a public harm test, which will balance transparency with risk to charity reputation, due process and confidentiality. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Taken as a whole, these reforms will assure donors and charities alike that we have confidence in our sector. In turn, this will contribute to the government's commitment of doubling philanthropic giving by 2030. This is about protecting those who give back and ensuring that the good in our community isn't undermined by the few who exploit it.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Finally, this bill extends the Treasury Laws Amendment (Prohibiting Energy Market Misconduct) Act provisions until 1 January 2031. This will allow the ACCC to continue to investigate and address misconduct by retailers and generators in the electricity markets. Like much of this bill, this goes to increasing transparency and accountability in the sector. Such an extension comes off the back of an independent review which found these were effective in constraining market misconduct and protecting households and businesses. When speaking about the application of these compliance powers, ACCC Chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb said:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">With electricity prices increasing, and many Australians looking for a better deal, it's crucial that the information people receive from their energy company is correct and can be relied upon.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Indeed, without these checks and balances, households are beholden to the claims made by these providers and left in the dark. The extension of these powers means that the ACCC can continue to stamp out false and misleading claims. That way, Australians can continue to make informed financial decisions about their energy bills whilst balancing their household budgets.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This particular bill upholds the Albanese government's commitment to transparency and accountability. It sheds a light on the constitution and personnel of big multinational companies whilst also enabling small businesses to get ahead, because backing hardworking regular people whilst holding power to account has always been a part of Labor's agenda. As much as those on the other side would like to claim that we are an enemy of small business, these reforms prove this is not true.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">At the same time, this bill backs in our charity sector. It does so by giving the ACNC the power to disclose information about its investigations. Such reform will give donors and the public the confidence to donate generously and volunteer their time to trustworthy organisations. Moreover, it will assure those who have made complaints about organisations. All in all, it means that bad-faith actors that undermine the reputation of our charity sector will be exposed, whilst the rest of the sector benefits from greater confidence and security.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Finally, the bill extends the powers of the ACCC in the energy market so it can continue to address misconduct by retailers and generators, because a fair, transparent economy isn't just good policy; it's who we are as Australians. We believe in a fair go. We believe in doing the right thing, and this bill helps make sure everyone else does too.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="249710" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Chesters</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  I give the call to the member for Warringah for two minutes.</span>
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            </talk.text>
            <interjection>
              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2192</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Chesters, Lisa MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>249710</name.id>
                  <electorate>Bendigo</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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              </talk.start>
              <talk.text>
              </talk.text>
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          </speech>
          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2192</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Steggall, Zali MP</name>
                <name.id>175696</name.id>
                <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                    <a href="175696" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms STEGGALL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Warringah</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:28</span>):  This omnibus bill, the Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025, looks to improve corporate disclosure, widen transparency and extend the instant asset write-off for small business. I support these measures. They are welcome.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 1 delivers the first stage of a public beneficial ownership register to tackle tax avoidance. Schedule 2 allows for the ACNC to disclose investigations to prevent harm. Schedule 3 adjusts the frequency of the Financial Regulator Assessment Authority's reviews of ASIC and APRA from biennial to every five years. These measures, taken together, implement sensible changes to bring greater efficiency and transparency.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedules 4 and 5 make minor and technical amendments, including minor amendments to strengthen the Scams Prevention Framework. The government continues to tweak the operation of the Scams Prevention Framework, but I point out that there has been no movement to implement any of the regulatory rules that would put the Scams Prevention Framework into action. We've been contacted by local constituents who are being impersonated and scammed online without any recourse or ability to use the framework that was passed in this place earlier this year. It was supposed to be implemented by July 2025, and we are still waiting, so I call on the government to implement those rules without further delay.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="248181" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Claydon</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  This debate is interrupted in accordance with standing order 43. The debate may be resumed at a later hour, and the member will be granted leave to continue speaking when the debate is resumed.</span>
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2192</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Claydon, Sharon MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>248181</name.id>
                  <electorate>Newcastle</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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              </talk.start>
              <talk.text>
              </talk.text>
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        <title>STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS</title>
        <page.no>2192</page.no>
        <type>STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS</type>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS</span>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>The Wave</title>
          <page.no>2192</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">The Wave</span>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2192</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wallace, Andrew MP</name>
              <name.id>265967</name.id>
              <electorate>Fisher</electorate>
              <party>LNP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="265967" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr WALLACE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fisher</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:29</span>):  After years of delay and neglect under the former state Labor government, The Wave heavy rail stage 1 and 2 project is finally full steam ahead. For too long, Labor promised the Sunshine Coast a train and never delivered. Studies, reviews and photo opportunities were all we ever saw. Labor's empty promises date back nearly 25 years, but now, thanks to the Crisafulli state LNP government, this project is back on track and powering ahead. The Wave will transform the Fisher electorate, connecting Beerwah to Birtinya and, in time, to Maroochydore and the airport. It'll take cars off the Bruce Highway and major connecting routes, creating thousands of jobs and giving locals the reliable public transport they've been waiting decades for.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I recently met with Genevieve De Michele and Dylan Bowan, who are part of the project team in Caloundra, to discuss tunnelling under Little Mountain, improved environmental design and major station hubs with up to 1,700 new commuter car parks. This is a $5.5 billion joint investment, with the Australian and Queensland governments each contributing $2.75 billion to deliver stage 1 from Beerwah to Caloundra. The Wave represents the future of transport in Fisher and the broader Sunshine Coast. It is the result of persistence, planning and a new LNP government that actually gets things done.</span>
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        </speech>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Moore, Mr Peter, OAM</title>
          <page.no>2193</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Moore, Mr Peter, OAM</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2193</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Stanley, Anne MP</name>
              <name.id>265990</name.id>
              <electorate>Werriwa</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="265990" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms STANLEY</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Werriwa</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Government Whip</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:31</span>):  I rise today to commend the work of a great volunteer and friend of the community in Werriwa, Peter Moore. After 21 years, Peter Moore has taken the decision to step aside from his involvement with the Fairfield Liverpool Cricket Association. Peter was the Fairfield Liverpool Cricket Association secretary for 16 years, then the president since 2011, making him the longest serving president in the history of the association, which is more than 100 years old. He was awarded life membership in 2013. Peter was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia in 2024 to honour his many years of service to the game of cricket and, especially, the community of south-western Sydney.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Peter has always advocated not only for the players but also to ensure that community cricket facilities receive grants enabling improvements and maintenance. Peter has advocated to increase the participation of women and young girls in local cricket groups. This year, five young women will represent our cricket community and state teams. This is down to the encouragement of our local cricket coaches, parents and people like Peter Moore. Peter will continue to be actively involved in the Hoxton Park Tigers Cricket Club, which he helped set up five years ago. I wish Peter all the best for his semi-retirement and thank him for his advocacy for players over the past two decades.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Fraud</title>
          <page.no>2193</page.no>
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        <subdebate.text>
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            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Fraud</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2193</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
              <name.id>281688</name.id>
              <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
              <party>NATS</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281688" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr WEBSTER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mallee</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:32</span>):  Aimee and Nick Mazza of Mildura are victims of the Labor government's failure to protect and deliver justice to mum-and-dad investors subject to financial crimes. Nick and Aimee have been through hell and back due to the criminal behaviour of financial adviser Anthony Del Vecchio of Freedom Finance, who stole their hard earned money and gambled it away. While Del Vecchio has been sentenced and jailed, Aimee and Nick continue to deal with the fallout of his evil behaviour. The stress, mental and emotional consequences and impact on their family have been immense. Yet the financial firm Del Vecchio worked for was wound up and has been able to phoenix into a new business.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">This is indicative of the failings of ASIC and their lack of teeth when it comes to regulating the financial services sector. ASIC are just one of a number of agencies and businesses that have failed the Mazzas. I am determined to ensure there is justice for Nick and Aimee, and I am not done calling out those that have let them down.</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Henry, Mr Joey</title>
          <page.no>2193</page.no>
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        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Henry, Mr Joey</span>
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          </body>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2193</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Smith, David MP</name>
              <name.id>276714</name.id>
              <electorate>Bean</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="276714" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr DAVID SMITH</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bean</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Government Whip</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:34</span>):  I rise with sadness to pay tribute to a promising young life cut tragically short. On Friday, Joey Henry lost his life in a farm vehicle accident. He was an immensely talented rugby player with a very bright future in front of him. A recent graduate of Marist College Canberra, he captained his school's First XV to win the premiership in 2023. In 2024, he made first grade for the Canberra Royals and played with them in the club's premiership win in the John I Dent Cup. He was also part of the academy program for the Brumbies. Joey was a leader, was well respected both on and off the field and made a contribution in whatever endeavour he was involved in. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Joey's loss has caused so many unimaginable ripples of grief to pass over different parts of our community, from his school to his team and of course to his loved ones. Thank you to Menslink for stepping up to provide support for the Royals community at this time. I express my deepest condolences to Joey's family and his friends. I know his loss is immeasurable to so many. </span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Youth Voice in Parliament</title>
          <page.no>2193</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Youth Voice in Parliament</span>
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        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2193</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Le, Dai MP</name>
              <name.id>295676</name.id>
              <electorate>Fowler</electorate>
              <party>IND</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="295676" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms LE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fowler</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:35</span>):  I want to congratulate all the students who participated in the Raise Our Voice in Parliament initiative. I'll read out the winning speech from Fowler by a 14-year-old constituent of mine, Jasmine Houng Giang of Canley Vale High School.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">As a young Australian student, I would like to address a critical concern: The Australian curriculum is one that is tremendously outdated and creating a generation of unaware students. My generation is the most digitally connected to date, but we are not effectively taught how to use technology to its fullest extent. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">I propose that the Australian government provide more funding for vocational courses, workshops and external opportunities, to help students develop everyday skills to resolve real world issues. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">Many indispensable skills are not taught in school, and this can make students oblivious to the requirements of contemporary society. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare states "Of people who completed vocational education or training in 2019, 56% of people reported better employment after training." </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">Imagine this statistic but the training was already provided in schools, this would help students leave school feeling more assertive and self-assured. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">Let's be honest, this idea is not revolutionary, it is an investment to encourage students to go into industries feeling more comfortable and confident. This isn't about making school easier, it is about making it more relevant and giving students the tools to build their own futures. </span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Tertiary Education</title>
          <page.no>2194</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Tertiary Education</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2194</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Moncrieff, David MP</name>
              <name.id>316540</name.id>
              <electorate>Hughes</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="316540" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr MONCRIEFF</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hughes</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:36</span>):  A university education is something that all Australians should have the opportunity to pursue. Nearly half of young Australians now have a degree, but that's not the case in Macquarie Fields, where only 29 per cent of young people have a degree. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">This government is working to ensure that young people in my community of Hughes can pursue university education and the careers that they want to reach. I was so proud to join the Minister for Education to open the new Suburban Study Hub Macquarie Fields, bringing university closer for students in southern Sydney—part of this government's $66.9 million investment in university study hubs. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The new Suburban Study Hub Macquarie Fields now offers support services and study facilities for local students enrolled at any university or vocational education and training provider. The evidence shows that, where study hubs are, university participation goes up. Having access to university in my community helped me start my tertiary education journey. Attending the University of Wollongong Sutherland campus meant that I could pursue my education in the community where I lived. I am so excited to see the opportunities that this study hub opens up for my community and for its next generation. </span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Energy</title>
          <page.no>2194</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Energy</span>
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          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2194</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Katter, Bob MP</name>
              <name.id>HX4</name.id>
              <electorate>Kennedy</electorate>
              <party>KAP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HX4" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr KATTER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Kennedy</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:38</span>):  Mount Isa brings in $1½ billion a year, it is responsible for 15,000 jobs in the Australian economy and it is in desperate, desperate trouble. The trouble arises because the gas reserve resource policy gave Mount Isa gas at $6 a unit, the agreement ran out seven or eight years ago—maybe 10 or 12 years ago—and we've gone up to $16.60. It was $6; now it's $16.60. Our competitor nations—namely, Brazil, the United States and Russia, but particularly the United States and Russia—are getting their gas at $6 a unit while we're paying $16.60. Everyone has talked about the copper mine, and there is no doubt that it is in desperate trouble without that gas at a competitive price. All electricity and power, and a whole lot of the chemical processes at Mount Isa, need that gas. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Quite separately, of course, is the fertiliser plant, employing over a thousand people directly and indirectly. It is paying $16.60. It produces diammonium phosphate: two parts natural gas and one part— <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Sturt Electorate: Madonna di Montevergine Feast</title>
          <page.no>2194</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Sturt Electorate: Madonna di Montevergine Feast</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2194</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Clutterham, Claire MP</name>
              <name.id>316101</name.id>
              <electorate>Sturt</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="316101" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms CLUTTERHAM</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Sturt</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:39</span>):  On Sunday 28 September 2025, I had the privilege of attending the 70th Madonna di Montevergine feast, including the procession, mass and party held on the grounds of the St Francis of Assisi School at Newton in my electorate of Sturt. The morning mass emphasised the importance of kindness and empathy for others, and the evening party emphasised food, culture, connection, language and family. Beautifully led by the Madonna di Montevergine organising committee president, Mr Dominic Zollo, the festival was supported by community organisations, including Radio Italia 531—especially John di Fede and Eleonora Finoia—which broadcast the event across South Australia and beyond.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">I was very proud to attend in my capacity as the member for Sturt because, for the first time since the feast's inception, the federal government contributed funds to the organising committee to help them put on a day to remember. This 70th anniversary was truly a wonderful community celebration. The food area had to be seen to be believed, with pasta, tripe, gelato and zeppole as far as the eye could see. Thank you, Mr Zollo, for your energy. Thank you, Dames di Montevergine, for your commitment to your faith and your community. But the biggest thank you has to go to the volunteers who worked day and night to make the event possible, especially the volunteers in the many kitchens operating across the event. E stata una festa di ricordare. Congratulazioni a tutti.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>National Police Remembrance Day</title>
          <page.no>2195</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">National Police Remembrance Day</span>
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          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2195</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Willcox, Andrew MP</name>
              <name.id>286535</name.id>
              <electorate>Dawson</electorate>
              <party>LNP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="286535" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr WILLCOX</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Dawson</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:41</span>):  Every day when a police officer answers a call, they never truly know what they're going to find out behind that door. Yet they go, without hesitation, to protect us. The badge they wear is more than metal. It carries the weight of every promise made to protect. Last week I was honoured to attend two services in remembrance of fallen officers: the candlelight vigil in Mackay and the National Police Remembrance Day service in Bowen. Together with members of our community, we paused to remember and to pay tribute to those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the line of duty.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Since 1861, 151 Queensland police officers have lost their lives while serving their communities. Their courage, dedication and commitment to protect will never be forgotten. Wreaths were laid as symbols of respect and remembrance—quiet reminders of lives given in service and of the families, friends and colleagues left behind. Their legacy lives on, written in the safety of our streets and in the strength of our communities. We give thanks to those who continue to serve, standing the line every day to keep our communities safe, often in the face of great danger and uncertainty. With honour they served; with honour they continue to serve.</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Korean War, National War Widows Day</title>
          <page.no>2195</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p>
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Korean War</span>
              </p>
            </p>
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">National War Widows Day</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2195</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Gosling, Luke MP</name>
              <name.id>245392</name.id>
              <electorate>Solomon</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="245392" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr GOSLING</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Solomon</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:42</span>):  This coming Sunday in Darwin in my electorate, I will be attending a Legacy NT event commemorating the 74th anniversary of the Battle for Maryang San during the Korean War in 1951, where Australian, British and Canadian soldiers fought together in the United Nations command, or UN forces, supported by Kiwi artillery as well. We will present Korean Ambassador for Peace medals to the widows and families of the local veterans who served in the Korean War as an expression of appreciation from the Korean government.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The local Korean War veterans are James Theodore Clark, who served with the 1st Battalion Royal Australian Regiment; Robert McKechnie, who was in the Korean Maintenance area; Terence James Peters, who served with my old battalion, the 3rd Battalion; and James Henry Richardson, who was killed in action in Korea in 1951, aged 27. Private Richardson is at rest in the United Nations Memorial Cemetery in Korea.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We'll also acknowledge National War Widows Day on 19 October, recognising those family members who paid the ultimate sacrifice when their loved one paid that ultimate sacrifice. Thanks to the Korean Consulate in Melbourne for providing those peace medals.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Davey, Ms Tiffany</title>
          <page.no>2195</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Davey, Ms Tiffany</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2195</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wilson, Rick MP</name>
              <name.id>198084</name.id>
              <electorate>O'Connor</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="198084" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr RICK WILSON</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">O'Connor</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:44</span>):  I rise to give a big shout-out to Western Australia's newly minted rural ambassador, Tiffany Davey. I caught up with Tiffany last week at the Perth Royal Show and congratulated her on her well-deserved accolade. Tiffany is an accomplished young rural professional who studied agribusiness at my old alma mater, Muresk College. She has been an accredited Australian stockperson since 2019, ensuring the health and welfare of hundreds of thousands of sheep on live export vessels to the Middle East.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Tiffany understands more than most the importance of maintaining Australia's international reputation as a reliable supplier of high-quality protein to countries that cannot produce their own. In her role as project manager for the rural advocacy group the Livestock Collective, she is passionate about enhancing the public understanding of farming. Tiffany has been an integral part of the Keep the Sheep movement, and I commend her for her courage in proudly supporting an industry that has been so publicly vilified.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Tiffany is pleased to have a platform to help rural Australians tell their stories and share their passion for what they do as farmers, shearers, transporters and stockpeople. She firmly believes city people want to meet farmers and know more about where their food comes from. This makes Tiffany the perfect advocate for rural and regional Australia, so I take this opportunity to wish her every success in her year ahead as WA's rural ambassador.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Melbourne Electorate: Volunteering</title>
          <page.no>2195</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Melbourne Electorate: Volunteering</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2195</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Witty, Sarah MP</name>
              <name.id>316660</name.id>
              <electorate>Melbourne</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="316660" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms WITTY</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Melbourne</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:45</span>):  Ahoy, Deputy Speaker! At North Wharf in Docklands, I saw volunteers bring a 122-year-old ship back to life: the <span style="font-style:italic;">Alma Doepel</span>, a three-mast tall ship built in 1903. This ship has served our nation. She carried goods on our coast and worked as an army supply ship to Papua New Guinea.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Today, a skilled team and many local volunteers are bringing her back to life. More than 100,000 volunteer hours have gone into this work so far. This is a huge gift of time and craft. When <span style="font-style:italic;">Alma</span><span style="font-style:italic;"> Doepel</span><span style="font-style:italic;"></span>sails again, she will become a youth training ship. It's a program which will build grit, teamwork and confidence.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Also in Docklands is the topsail schooner <span style="font-style:italic;">Enterprize</span>, a 27-metre all-timber working replica of the 1830 ship that carried the first European settlers to Melbourne. <span style="font-style:italic;">Enterprize</span> is sailed by volunteers and runs sail training and public sails across the bay. I thank her crew and supporters for keeping these skills alive.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I thank Bill Reid for the kind invite and for his work, and I thank every volunteer—older hands passing on skills and new faces learning them. This is Melbourne at its best—community, history and hope in one project. I encourage people to check them out online and support their inspiring work. <span style="font-style:italic;">Alma Doepel</span> shows what we can do when we back our volunteers—</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="248181" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                  </a>
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                  <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Claydon</span>
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  The member for Longman has the call.</span>
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            </body>
          </talk.text>
          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2196</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Claydon, Sharon MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>248181</name.id>
                <electorate>Newcastle</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </interjection>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Queensland: Sport</title>
          <page.no>2196</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Queensland: Sport</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2196</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Young, Terry MP</name>
              <name.id>201906</name.id>
              <electorate>Longman</electorate>
              <party>LNP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="201906" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr YOUNG</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Longman</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Second Deputy Speaker</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:47</span>):  Well, I couldn't resist—how good is Queensland! It's been a great year. It's very rare that you have a year like this, no matter what state you're from.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">First of all, of course, we won the Origin against the odds, and the mighty Lions got up. Then the women's and the men's Broncos both got up on the weekend. Probably the most pleasing thing about all these results is that, in most cases, we weren't favoured to win—definitely not in the Origin. We didn't finish top of the ladder in the AFL or the NRL. In fact, the ladies beat the undefeated Roosters in the final, which was great, and it shows a lot of courage and guts to come back from that. The men's Broncos actually came back in three of the finals, which was absolutely tremendous.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, a lot of us were nervous about Reece Walsh because a lot of the time we don't know what we're going to get when it comes to Reece. They call him 'rocks or diamonds' for a reason, but he played probably the best game of any individual in the grand final on Sunday night. I want to acknowledge that and say: 'Good on you, mate. You had a crack.' And good on you, Madge, for backing him up. Who knows? Maybe, just maybe, there's something in that water he drinks—Queenslander!</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Manufacturing Industry</title>
          <page.no>2196</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Manufacturing Industry</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2196</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Doyle, Mary MP</name>
              <name.id>299962</name.id>
              <electorate>Aston</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="299962" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms DOYLE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Aston</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:48</span>):  In my electorate of Aston we have many incredible manufacturing businesses. Last month, I had the honour of visiting one of them to see firsthand how they operate. Catten Industries is a family-run business located in Bayswater specialising in advanced sheet metal fabrication and creative metal design. Catten Industries also employs many Aston locals, including young apprentices, to help them kickstart a career in manufacturing. This is an incredibly important thing for the future of many young Australians.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Unlike those opposite, our government understand how important it is to keep Australian jobs in Australia. In our first term alone, the Albanese Labor government created more than one million jobs right here in Australia, which is the highest number of jobs created by a first-term government. To see the member for Canning take to social media recently, profoundly expressing his sadness over the loss of our car manufacturing industry, was, quite frankly, galling. Let's not forget that this was the same member of parliament who was part of a coalition government that waved our car manufacturing industry goodbye as it sailed offshore, costing thousands of Australians their jobs. Coalition hypocrisy knows no bounds. Australians know that whilst those opposite are preparing for their fifth leadership change in 10 years, this Labor government will be busy delivering a future made right here in Australia.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Holt, Mr Christopher (Chris)</title>
          <page.no>2196</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Holt, Mr Christopher (Chris)</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2196</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Aldred, Mary MP</name>
              <name.id>11788</name.id>
              <electorate>Monash</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="11788" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms ALDRED</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Monash</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:50</span>):  I wish to acknowledge the passing of Christopher Holt, the former principal of Marist-Sion College in Warragul who led the school with great distinction from 1993 to 2006. Chris Holt was a man of many callings—author, farmer, soldier, principal, husband and father—and was a mentor to many. He was also the great-nephew of former Liberal prime minister Harold Holt—a connection he carried with quiet pride. During his 13 years as principal, Chris oversaw the development of the music program, the college hall, the Marian Theatre and the village classroom clusters—a legacy that continues to shape the Marist-Sion College today.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Chris was known for his warmth, eccentric charm and sense of fun. Whether rallying hundreds of students to watch the Olympic torch relay or polishing shoes in the red dust of Central Australia, he inspired those around him to live life with joy, purpose and big dreams. I know many families connected to Marist-Sion are deeply mourning his passing. To quote the mayor of Baw Baw Shire Council, Danny Goss:</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">Chris Holt is one of the finest men I have ever met. It was both a pleasure and extraordinary experience to work with Chris. Never a fan of authority, his allegiances always lay with the students he taught.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">On behalf of the Monash electorate, I extend my sincere condolences to his partner, Dawn, his family and the Marist-Sion College community. Vale, Chris Holt.</span>
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        </speech>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>World Tasting Championship</title>
          <page.no>2196</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">World Tasting Championship</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2196</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Repacholi, Dan MP</name>
              <name.id>298840</name.id>
              <electorate>Hunter</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="298840" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr REPACHOLI</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hunter</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:51</span>):  Mesdames and messieurs—ooh la la! The Hunter Valley has done it again. At the 2025 World Tasting Championship in the heart of France, our Aussie team of wine growers and wine lovers went sip for sip with the best noses and palates on the planet. Forty countries lined up. There were 12 mysterious wines, and more swirling, sniffing and spitting than you could poke a stick at. France took home the gold of course. It was a homegrown advantage I reckon—I don't want to spark an international incident, but let's just say it smelt a little suspicious. China came second but Australia, with our own Hunter Valley hero Declan McCaffrey of McCaffrey's Estate, came third in the world.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">That's right. Aussies stood shoulder to shoulder with French sommeliers who taste wine for breakfast, lunch and dinner. The French might say: 'Ah, ze Australians. Zey make ze big wines. How could zey possibly know ze difference between a pinot and a shiraz?' Well, guess what? We do. And we can do it blindfolded, before smoko and without a beret in sight. This is more than a win for Declan and the Hunter Valley. It's proof the Australian wine industry is world class, with craftsmanship and character that can stand proudly on any table or in any glass. So to Declan and the whole Hunter Valley: sante, or good health. You have done us proud. Cheers!</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Albanese Government</title>
          <page.no>2197</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Albanese Government</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2197</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Bell, Angie MP</name>
              <name.id>282981</name.id>
              <electorate>Moncrieff</electorate>
              <party>LNP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="282981" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms BELL</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Moncrieff</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:53</span>):  Australia's way of life is built on the values of fairness, of tolerance and of respect. But, unfortunately, our strength and unity are being tested during times of civil unrest never before seen in our great country. The fact is that social cohesion is on a knife's edge, and Australians are rightly disappointed in the Prime Minister's lack of leadership. There have been multiple failures of government to keep our community safe and united. Crime is spiralling out of control in several states. Synagogues have been firebombed, with our Jewish community under siege.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The Prime Minister has turned a blind eye to hate, to discrimination and to crime in this country. There are pro-terrorist rallies taking place across the country, including at our iconic Sydney Opera House and across the Sydney Harbour Bridge. There was disturbing graffiti celebrating Hamas in Melbourne, as Jewish Australians marked the atrocities of October 7. There were 1,200 Israelis killed by those terrorists on that day. To do anything but condemn their atrocities is an absolute disgrace. We must never import the bitterness of overseas conflicts into our communities here at home. The Prime Minister cannot continue to let this spiral out of control. He must step up now and show some real leadership. Jewish Australians and all Australians deserve better than the scraps they're being thrown by this government and by this prime minister. </span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Mental Health</title>
          <page.no>2197</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Mental Health</span>
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          </body>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2197</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Garland, Carina MP</name>
              <name.id>295588</name.id>
              <electorate>Chisholm</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="295588" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr GARLAND</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Chisholm</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:54</span>):  October is mental health month, and I want to take this opportunity to highlight our important investment in mental health support for our communities. Our government is investing $1 billion to deliver more mental health services right across the country, including free mental health services that are backed by Medicare. I'm pleased to say that Labor will be opening a new free Medicare mental health centre in Glen Iris in my own electorate of Chisholm. This service will play an important role in supporting other local services, including our headspace on Blackburn Road in Mount Waverley, which the Minister for Health and Ageing has previously visited. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Addressing mental health conditions in this country, particularly for young people with complex needs, is one of my biggest priorities. I'm proud that we're delivering more youth specialist care centres and training more mental health professionals. It was terrific to have the health minister in Chisholm last week to visit a clinic which will be 100 per cent bulk-billing from 1 November this year—the Burwood Healthcare general practice—and to visit our urgent care clinic in Mount Waverley. I spoke with, literally, thousands of locals about the Mount Waverley Urgent Care Clinic, and I can confirm to the House that it has been warmly received by the community. We're making sure that we invest in health to support everyone in our community so no-one is left behind. </span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Forestry Industry</title>
          <page.no>2197</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Forestry Industry</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2197</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Hogan, Kevin MP</name>
              <name.id>218019</name.id>
              <electorate>Page</electorate>
              <party>NATS</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="218019" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr HOGAN</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Page</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Deputy Manager of Opposition Business and Deputy Leader of the National Party</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:56</span>):  Since we last sat in this chamber, New South Wales Labor have gutted another regional industry. The industry they've gutted this time—and that they've all but wiped out—is the forestry industry. Thousands of jobs have been lost. Timber mill workers have lost their jobs—forestry workers, people who drive trucks, haulage workers who are supported by that industry. Again Labor is selling out blue-collar jobs for Greens preferences. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The worst thing, for the thousands of people who are going to lose their jobs, is that the announcement was made on Father's Day. On Father's Day, thousands of men found out they were going to lose their jobs. This is a sustainable and renewable industry. And do you know what? Now we will be importing hardwood from countries that do not do it in the sustainable and environmentally friendly way we do. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The other thing is that the locked-up areas will now become weed infested and feral-animal infested. In fact, koalas will leave because those areas will be too weed infested. They will become tinderboxes, putting our communities in danger. The elite city MPs over there have demonised our forestry industry. They've demonised our farmers for the water they want for growing food and fibre. They've demonised our sheep farmers for live exports. They've demonised our coal miners and our gas industry workers. Their hypocrisy and sanctimony is very obvious over there. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Renewable Energy</title>
          <page.no>2198</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Renewable Energy</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2198</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Lawrence, Tania MP</name>
              <name.id>299150</name.id>
              <electorate>Hasluck</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="299150" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms LAWRENCE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hasluck</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:57</span>):  Labor is getting on with the job of delivering a renewable clean energy future, but what's the member for Riverina doing? He's opposing renewables, talking down projects that create local jobs for his electors. In spite of this lousy representation for the locals in the Riverina, there was great news for the Riverina this week, which we heard even in Western Australia: the announcement of a wind farm to power 600,000 homes. This is a win-win-win for the region, delivering clean energy across the Riverina, improving local infrastructure and increasing jobs and investment—the very thing that the member for Riverina is looking to oppose. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The coalition are seriously out of touch. The only policies we've actually even heard from them articulate social division, infighting and climate denial. They're so busy draping themselves over car bonnets, daydreaming about their own nuclear fantasy, to acknowledge the task and the opportunity ahead of them. They're busy doubling down on their policy that is so incredibly unpopular and so incredibly unrealistic that it delivered a result for the coalition not seen in 70 years—the worst election result in history. In the meantime, Labor is getting on with it. We're delivering on real progress and sensible climate targets. This is what Australians want. This is what our Pacific neighbours want. This is what the world wants, and we're getting on with it. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  In accordance with standing order 43, the time for members' statement has concluded. We shall move to questions without notice.</span>
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          </talk.text>
          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2198</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </interjection>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
    </debate>
    <debate>
      <debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>2198</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo>
      <debate.text>
        <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:WX="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
          <p class="HPS-Debate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
            <span class="HPS-Debate">QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</span>
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      </debate.text>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Telecommunications</title>
          <page.no>2198</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Telecommunications</span>
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        </subdebate.text>
        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2198</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Ley, Sussan Penelope MP</name>
              <name.id>00AMN</name.id>
              <electorate>Farrer</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="00AMN" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms LEY</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Farrer</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Leader of the Opposition</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:59</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Communications. Minister, asked when you and your office were first notified about the triple 0 crisis, you said:</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">… we were not notified of the catastrophic outage until late afternoon on Friday 19 September.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">However, a secret email has revealed the minister's personal office was actually notified 24 hours earlier than what she told the House yesterday. Minister, how can Australians trust triple 0 to work in an emergency when they cannot even trust you to tell the truth in parliament?</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  I'm going to remind members of an issue that I raised yesterday: moving forward with all questions we can just follow the standing orders to make sure the word 'you' is not used. It's just reflecting on the chair. I'm sure the leader doesn't want that to occur.</span>
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                <page.no>2198</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2198</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
              <name.id>264121</name.id>
              <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
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              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="264121" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms WELLS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:00</span>):  I thank the Leader of the Opposition for her question. All of this information is already in the public domain. I spoke to that at a press conference on 22 September. I spoke about that incorrect information that Optus provided to my office and to the ACMA regulator on Thursday 18 September. That transcript is available on my website if you would like to peruse. That advice that Optus gave to both my office and ACMA on Thursday afternoon was clearly incorrect, it was inaccurate and it was misleading. That is why we have put in place changes that will be further strengthened on 1 November when the new ACMA determination takes effect. It will mean that telcos must immediately share information relating to outages with relevant emergency service organisations—police, fire, ambulance—and the regulator and people who are relevant. So I've asked, and telcos have agreed to start that early.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  The Leader of the Opposition on a point of order?</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="00AMN" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Ley:</span>
                  </a>  I seek leave to table documents which clearly reveal a notification from Optus to the minister's office.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Leave not granted.</span>
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                <page.no>2198</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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              </talker>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2198</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Ley, Sussan Penelope MP</name>
                <name.id>00AMN</name.id>
                <electorate>Farrer</electorate>
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          <title>Climate Change</title>
          <page.no>2198</page.no>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2198</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Lim, Sam MP</name>
              <name.id>300130</name.id>
              <electorate>Tangney</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <a href="300130" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Mr LIM</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Tangney</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:02</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Climate Change and Energy. What are the opportunities of acting on climate change? Are there any risks to acting on climate change, and what would not acting mean for Australia's economy?</span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2198</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Bowen, Chris MP</name>
              <name.id>DZS</name.id>
              <electorate>McMahon</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="DZS" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr BOWEN</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">McMahon</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Climate Change and Energy</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:02</span>):  I thank my honourable friend for the question. He asked about the opportunities of acting on climate change. Those opportunities are there for the country and they're there for Australia's households and businesses and farmers. Australians are taking up those opportunities every day.</span>
              </p>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Households are taking up that opportunity every day, and there is a bit of a milestone to share with the House. I can tell the House that, as of today, 80,005 Australians households have installed a cheaper home battery under the Albanese government's cheaper home battery policy. It's been a while since we sat, so I will give the House a bit of an update. It remains a regional and suburban story. Australians in regional Australia and the suburbs are taking up the Albanese government's cheaper home batteries policy. I won't go through every state, but in New South Wales we have a new leader. The member for Richmond now has more, cheaper home batteries than anybody else, but she's closely followed by the members for Page and Riverina, with the member for Gilmore coming in fourth. So right across regional New South Wales people are embracing the opportunities of net zero. In Western Australia, I also have an update. There's one particular Western Australian member everyone is talking about. He's got a great CV and an even better future. He's widely regarded as one of the parliament's better-looking members. I refer, of course, to the member for Tangney, who has the highest take-up in Western Australia of any member of parliament when it comes to cheaper home batteries. This is households, businesses and farmers taking up the opportunities.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, farmers come up in this conversation a lot—as they should. On this side of the House, we believe that farmers, who know their land so well and are so expert in creating wealth out of that land, should be given the opportunity to seize these opportunities. Every farmer who has a wind farm or solar farm is paid for having it. No wind farm or solar farm is installed in Australia without the consent and full agreement of the landholder. We know that, between now and 2030, about $1 billion in payments will be made to farmers for hosting that infrastructure. Between now and 2050, it will be up to $8 billion in payments. If you don't believe in climate change, you cannot seize the opportunity.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The member for Flynn was asked, 'Have you as a federal parliamentarian ever been given empirical or scientific evidence that proves climate change?' and he said, 'No, I can assure you it does not exist.' This is the alternative government of Australia in 2025. They don't believe in the science of climate change. If you don't believe in climate change, you can't seize the opportunity. He's one of the more moderate members among those opposite. But, if you do not understand the challenges of modern Australia, you are not fit to be the government of Australia.</span>
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          <title>Telecommunications</title>
          <page.no>2199</page.no>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2199</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Ley, Sussan Penelope MP</name>
              <name.id>00AMN</name.id>
              <electorate>Farrer</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="00AMN" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms LEY</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Farrer</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Leader of the Opposition</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:05</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Communications. Yesterday, the minister told the House that the government made no error in the triple 0 crisis and that it was 'the fault of Optus and Optus alone'. But, today, when the coalition moved an amendment to double the maximum penalty for a telco company to $20 million per offence, the Albanese government shamefully voted it down. If Optus and Optus alone is to blame, why did Labor vote against the interests of Australians, who just want triple 0 to work when their lives are on the line?</span>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2199</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
              <name.id>264121</name.id>
              <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="264121" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms WELLS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:06</span>):  I thank the Leader of the Opposition for her question. As I noted when the amendments were moved earlier today, we were keen to engage in good faith on potential amendments. But, unfortunately, that was not reciprocated by the opposition, who then pulled a parliamentary stunt. However, since then, we've had a bit of time to look over the amendments proposed by the member for Lindsay and I must say, unfortunately for all of us, they are quite poor.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">In relation to the proposed amendment to the Security of Critical Infrastructure Act 2018, at best the amendment is completely redundant. The current definition of 'critical telecommunications asset' already captures the infrastructure the amendment is targeted towards. At worst, the amendment would extend the definition of 'critical telecommunications asset' far beyond its intent. The proposed insertion of 'a telecommunications network that is used to supply an emergency call service' is untethered from the concept of carriers and carriage services and does not define what an emergency call service is and so it would potentially capture any system—</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  The minister will pause. She's talking about the amendment. I'll just get her to take a seat for a moment so I can hear from the Leader of the Opposition on a point of order.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="00AMN" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Ley:</span>
                  </a>  It's a point of order on relevance. The minister is not answering the question about the penalty specifically. The minister needs to answer why she is letting Optus off the hook.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Government members interjecting</span>—</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Order, members on my right! I want to hear from the Leader of the House.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="DYW" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Burke:</span>
                  </a>  To the point of order, the Leader of the Opposition knows that, on a question where you ask about amendments and votes in the House and the minister responds by referring to the amendments that the House voted on, it's completely relevant to what was asked. The Leader of the Opposition knows that.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  I think the Leader of the Opposition was asking about a specific amendment, but the minister is giving detail about broader amendments. She can address those as part of the answer. She's got to remain directly relevant. I can appreciate the Leader of the Opposition would like a specific answer. If the minister was talking about another complete topic, it could not be classed as directly relevant. I note the beginning of her answer specifically addressed that part of the question, so she has addressed that part of the question, about the specific. Now she's giving further information. Under the standing orders, she's addressed the specific part of the question directly. Now she's being directly relevant. I am going to listen carefully. She's talking about amendments, and I want to make sure that's directly relevant to the topic she was asked about.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="264121" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Ms WELLS:</span>
                  </a>  As I was saying, the impact of that amendment would potentially capture any system or series of systems that carries or is capable of carrying communications by means of guided or unguided electromagnetic energy which is in any way connected to emergency services calls. It is not clear to me what exactly this is attempting to achieve beyond making the act confusing.</span>
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                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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                <page.no>2199</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Ley, Sussan Penelope MP</name>
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                <electorate>Farrer</electorate>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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                <page.no>2199</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Burke, Tony MP</name>
                <name.id>DYW</name.id>
                <electorate>Watson</electorate>
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                <page.no>2199</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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                <page.no>2200</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
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                <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
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          <title>Climate Change</title>
          <page.no>2200</page.no>
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              <page.no>2200</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Comer, Emma MP</name>
              <name.id>316551</name.id>
              <electorate>Petrie</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
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              <first.speech />
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                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Petrie</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:09</span>):  My question is for the Prime Minister. How is the Albanese Labor government tackling the environmental challenge of climate change while seizing the economic opportunities of renewable energy, and are there any risks?</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </question>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2200</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Albanese, Anthony MP</name>
              <name.id>R36</name.id>
              <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <a href="R36" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr ALBANESE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Grayndler</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Prime Minister</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:10</span>):  I thank the member for Petrie for her question. Indeed, Australians were very clear, when they voted for the member for Petrie on 3 May, that they wanted action on climate change that not only protects our environment—and I must say that the member's electorate is particularly pristine there, around Redcliffe and that beautiful part of Queensland—but also strengthens our economy. Our government is taking precisely that action with our target to reduce emissions by 62 to 70 per cent by 2035. It's a responsible—</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="138932" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Ted O'Brien:</span>
                  </a>  You can't tell us how much it's going to cost.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  To the member for Fairfax: I'm not in the mood today for those sorts of interjections. I'm just not, and I don't think the House is either. Hold your horses so I can hear the Prime Minister.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="R36" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr ALBANESE:</span>
                  </a>  It is a responsible target. Importantly, it was done under what is the world's best practice. We had the Climate Change Authority, chaired by Mr Kean, who put forward the evidence based approach so that it is ambitious but also, importantly, achievable. I must say it was well received.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We also have a practical plan to get us there. Government, industry and Australians are all doing their bits, protecting the environment for our children and also creating good jobs on the way through. Now, as a government, we are investing in the National Reconstruction Fund for new industries, boosting low-emissions manufacturing and industry. We're also getting more renewables in the grid through the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, and we're investing in clean fuels for the transport sector.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">But Australians and Australian businesses are getting behind action, too, which is why this announcement was so well received by the business community—something that upsets those opposite, who used to talk to the business community. They don't these days.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Since 1 July, as the minister proudly informed the House just minutes ago, we are now up to more than 80,000 home batteries being installed. What that's doing is storing the energy that comes from our roofs, which have the highest per capita rate of solar panels in the world, and making sure that people get the permanent reduction. Ninety-four per cent of ASX 50 companies are committed to net zero because they recognise it's good for their business as well as for the environment.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Everyone is doing their bit except for those opposite, who are busy interjecting. They're the only people who aren't on board with this. They're stuck in the past and they're too busy getting stuck into each other to worry about Australia's national interest.</span>
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          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2200</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">O'Brien, Ted MP</name>
                <name.id>138932</name.id>
                <electorate>Fairfax</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
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          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2200</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2200</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Albanese, Anthony MP</name>
                <name.id>R36</name.id>
                <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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      <debateinfo>
        <title>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</title>
        <page.no>2200</page.no>
        <type>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</type>
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      <debate.text>
        <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:WX="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</span>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>University of Canberra: Pathway to Politics for Women Participants, General Practitioners</title>
          <page.no>2200</page.no>
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        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p>
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">University of Canberra: Pathway to Politics for Women Participants</span>
              </p>
            </p>
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">General Practitioners</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2200</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
              <name.id>53517</name.id>
              <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">The SPEAKER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Time">14:13</span>):  I'm pleased to advise the House that in the gallery today are participants in the University of Canberra's Pathway to Politics for Women program, whom I had the privilege of meeting before question time.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Also in the gallery is a delegation of GPs who are at Parliament House to launch the <span style="font-style:italic;">General practice: </span><span style="font-style:italic;">health </span><span style="font-style:italic;">o</span><span style="font-style:italic;">f </span><span style="font-style:italic;">t</span><span style="font-style:italic;">he n</span><span style="font-style:italic;">ation</span> report. Welcome to you all.</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
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    </debate>
    <debate>
      <debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>2200</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
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      <debate.text>
        <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:WX="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
          <p class="HPS-Debate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
            <span class="HPS-Debate">QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>National Security</title>
          <page.no>2200</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">National Security</span>
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2200</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Le, Dai MP</name>
              <name.id>295676</name.id>
              <electorate>Fowler</electorate>
              <party>IND</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="295676" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms LE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fowler</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:13</span>):  My question is to the Prime Minister. Prime Minister, recent media reports state that your government had no involvement in bringing back the ISIS affiliated group. My community in Fowler is home to large Syrian, Chaldean, Mandaean and Hasidic communities, who all have been persecuted and subjected to genocide by the ISIS regime, and they are rightly terrified. Will your government give my community in Fowler an absolute guarantee that none of the returned ISIS affiliated women and children will be settled in our community?</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2201</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Burke, Tony MP</name>
              <name.id>DYW</name.id>
              <electorate>Watson</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="DYW" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr BURKE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Watson</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for the Arts, Minister for Home Affairs, Minister for Cyber Security, Minister </span><span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">for Immigration and Citizenship and Leader of the House</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:14</span>):  I thank the member for Fowler for raising this issue in the House. Those opposite had given the impression in the media that they were going to raise the issue, but once they got in here they appeared for some reason unwilling to do so. Perhaps I could start with this principle. First of all, as the Prime Minister has made clear, there has been no repatriation. So, for the member for Fowler, when the end of that question refers to the government 'settling people'—the government is not settling people; the government is not involved in settling people. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We have a situation where we have a number of Australian citizens who made a terrible decision, an absolutely dreadful decision, to go off and join others who were involved in what has been described as one of the most horrific organisations the world has seen. And this is not the first time Australian citizens who made that decision have returned. When Australian citizens seek to return to Australia they are able to do so. There have been two times that there were repatriations, one under this government and one under the previous government. But there have also been repeated occasions where people have returned of their own volition. Those opposite seem to have forgotten the number of people who returned to Australia of their own volition in exactly this way while they were in office.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">While the discussion has been about women and children who have recently returned, those who returned under those opposite—and this is in their own words, from a question on notice—include 'some who fought for ISIL, a few who had joined other Islamic extremist groups, others who provided support to ISIL', who returned in exactly this way. That's referred to as being part of a group of around 40 people, in answer to a question on notice that those opposite appear to want to forget.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">But the thing that is consistent throughout all of this—and this is why I'm glad the member for Fowler has raised it—is that our security agencies are constantly engaged. And every conversation that you would expect that I, as the Minister for Home Affairs, would have with those security intelligence agencies about making sure Australians are safe is, you are guaranteed, happening, and our agencies are working with the professionalism you would expect.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Renewable Energy</title>
          <page.no>2201</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Renewable Energy</span>
            </p>
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2201</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Watts, Tim MP</name>
              <name.id>193430</name.id>
              <electorate>Gellibrand</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="193430" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Mr WATTS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Gellibrand</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:17</span>):  My question is to the Treasurer. What did Treasury's net zero modelling show about the Albanese Labor government's approach to the transformation to cleaner and cheaper energy? And what risks are there in other proposals?</span>
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            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2201</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Chalmers, Jim MP</name>
              <name.id>37998</name.id>
              <electorate>Rankin</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="37998" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Dr CHALMERS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Rankin</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Treasurer</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:18</span>):  Thanks to the member for Gellibrand for his question and also for his thoughtful contributions to our climate policy and to our economic policies more broadly. He knows, and we know—and I think Australians know—that the net zero transformation is a golden economic opportunity for Australia. The shift to cleaner and cheaper energy over time is an opportunity that Australians cannot afford to waste, and the Treasury modelling our 2035 target makes that really clear. That modelling helped to inform the decision we took and announced not that long ago. It also helps Australians understand why those decisions and those targets are so important to our economy and to our future.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Treasury compared two orderly scenarios with a disorderly transition and reached five key conclusions. Firstly, decisive action and clear targets will make us a big beneficiary of the energy transformation. Secondly, cleaner and cheaper energy will make us more internationally competitive. Thirdly, clear and credible action means more jobs, higher wages and higher living standards. Fourthly, clear targets and an orderly plan give businesses the clarity and the certainty that they need to invest with confidence. Lastly, a disorderly transition means fewer jobs, less investment, lower wages and living standards, and higher power prices in a smaller economy.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The only scenario worse for the economy than this disorderly transformation would be to abandon net zero completely, which is what most of those opposite want Australia to do. They have found a position which is worse than the worst-case scenario modelled by the Treasury. They have found a worse outcome. Our policy and our path to net zero is all about the national economic interest. It's guided by sophisticated Treasury modelling. Their position is driven entirely by coalition internal party politics. This unseemly spat between the far right and the further right over there is driving their climate policies. What it shows, once again, is that, whether it's net zero or the budget or the economy more broadly, they haven't changed a bit. They haven't learned a thing. They are more divided and more divisive than ever. There is not a whiff of economic credibility coming from over there, and we know that because in this case they want to smash investor certainty, they want to trash our economy and they want to make people worse off all in the service of their extreme hard-right internal coalition politics.</span>
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      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Telecommunications</title>
          <page.no>2201</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Telecommunications</span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2201</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
              <name.id>281513</name.id>
              <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281513" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Mrs McINTOSH</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lindsay</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:21</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Communications. Minister, when you were advised of a triple 0 outage that your department had no idea about, why didn't your office raise it with your department immediately? Was it because you were planning your well-publicised trip to a pub in New York?</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="DYW" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Burke:</span>
                  </a>  On a point of order, Mr Speaker, I refer to your earlier instruction that all references to 'you' are in fact references to the Speaker. There were five violations of that in the 30 seconds of that question.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWO" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Hawke:</span>
                  </a>  The manager of government business knows that those violations that he refers to are not violations. It's your office. You could say 'the minister' 100 times if you wanted to, but it's not a violation to say 'your'. She did not say 'you' repeatedly; that's what the standing order refers to. 'Your' is a perfectly fine reference in this regard—'your office' or 'your work'. What would you like? What's the problem?</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Let's all agree that we're just going to follow the standing orders. The shadow minister was within the standing orders. Just to help the House, take the 'you' out of it, and, where you can, take the 'your' out of it as well.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Honourable members interjecting</span>—</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Order! It's not a laughing matter. I didn't raise it for fun. I raised it because I want a level of respect and dignity in the House. So, moving forward for everyone, it's not about me; it's about the office that I hold. So I am just asking everyone to follow that. The question is within order.</span>
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          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2202</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Burke, Tony MP</name>
                <name.id>DYW</name.id>
                <electorate>Watson</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </interjection>
          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2202</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Hawke, Alex MP</name>
                <name.id>HWO</name.id>
                <electorate>Mitchell</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </interjection>
          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2202</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </interjection>
          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2202</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </interjection>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2202</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
              <name.id>264121</name.id>
              <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="264121" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms WELLS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:23</span>):  As is a matter of public record, I became aware of the major Optus outage on 19 September at approximately 4.30 pm. My office was contacted by Optus. Through my office, I received briefings and information following the Optus press conference. Overnight, I made arrangements to delay my trip to gather information and inform premiers and the Australian public, which I did at a press conference on Saturday. And we can agree that this is a tragic circumstance. People have lost loved ones, and that hardens my resolve. My department and my office will pursue this with absolute rigour. You have every right to raise these questions, but I am not led by the opposition. I am led by Australians, by telco customers and by ensuring that this system is as safe as it possibly can be and ensuring that all telcos, including Optus, treat this as too important to fail.</span>
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        </answer>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Low-Carbon Liquid Fuels</title>
          <page.no>2202</page.no>
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            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Low-Carbon Liquid Fuels</span>
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2202</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Scrymgour, Marion MP</name>
              <name.id>F2S</name.id>
              <electorate>Lingiari</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="F2S" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms SCRYMGOUR</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lingiari</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:24</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government. Minister, how will the Albanese Labor government's $1.1 billion commitment to building a sustainable fuel industry in Australia help support net zero by 2050, and what other approaches is government being asked to consider which would harm the development of this new critical industry?</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2202</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">King, Catherine Fiona MP</name>
              <name.id>00AMR</name.id>
              <electorate>Ballarat</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="00AMR" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms CATHERINE KING</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Ballarat</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:24</span>):  I thank the member for Lingiari for the question, and for her support for this important and historic investment in our regional communities.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese Labor government is committed to growing an Australian low-carbon liquid fuels industry here on our soil that will support our farmers, create jobs and will provide a sustainable future for our transport industries. Sustainable fuels have an absolutely essential role to play in those hard-to-abate sectors of aviation and heavy haulage. It is why we have committed $1.1 billion to the Cleaner Fuels Program to build a new low-carbon liquid fuels industry here in Australia. It is a fantastic opportunity for regional Australia; from growers to refineries, creating new income streams for farmers and new job opportunities for workers.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I am so pleased to see how our plan to create a new sustainable fuels industry has been welcomed by so many, like the National Farmers' Federation, who said:</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">"This isn't just about cleaner fuels. It's about creating jobs, diversifying farm businesses, and ensuring our regions remain at the forefront of Australia's transition to net zero."</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The Tourism &amp; Transport Forum said:</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">… TTF applauds this landmark investment, which brings government and industry together to position Australia as a global leader in sustainable aviation, cruise and transport fuels.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">And Ampol said:</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">The announcement is an important step forward in establishing a market for Australian-produced LCLF, paving the way for a new industry and creating jobs across the country.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Those are some who support our plan of investing $1.1 billion in low-carbon liquid fuels: our farmers, our tourism operators, our transport sector and, of course, our energy providers as well.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Do you know who doesn't support this plan? It is those opposite, and that is absolutely and utterly disappointing. They show no support for low-carbon liquid fuels, a transition that is happening across the world, and the opportunities that provides in regional Australia. The coalition would rather continue tearing themselves apart over net zero than support new jobs and new industries in our regions that will ensure the future sustainability of jobs in those regions, many areas of which have seen declining populations and declining jobs. These provide new opportunities for Australians to be able to continue to live, to work and to gain an income not only from agriculture but also from the refineries and the jobs that are there. On this side of the chamber, we support our regional communities; we support those jobs in those regional communities, and our Future Made in Australia plan will deliver just that for our regions.</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </answer>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Telecommunications</title>
          <page.no>2203</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
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            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Telecommunications</span>
            </p>
          </body>
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2203</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
              <name.id>281688</name.id>
              <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
              <party>NATS</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281688" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Dr WEBSTER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mallee</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:28</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Communications. A chain of emails revealing the minister's personal office's knowledge of the escalating triple 0 outage crisis on 18 September included an email alerting the minister's office to the fact that 'welfare checks will be made'. Did the minister take any actions to satisfy herself that those welfare and wellbeing checks of those impacted were being conducted—for example, by phoning to apologise to affected people and their families?</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2203</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
              <name.id>264121</name.id>
              <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="264121" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms WELLS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:28</span>):  I thank the member for Mallee for her question. The information that Optus provided to my office on 18 September was that there had been a minor outage, that it had affected 10 calls, that it had been resolved, and, most importantly, that there had been no adverse impacts on any person. My office sought assurance that ACMA had been informed, ensuring that the regulator was investigating that incident, and ACMA has publicly confirmed that they were informed.</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </answer>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Climate Change</title>
          <page.no>2203</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Climate Change</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2203</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Cook, Kara MP</name>
              <name.id>316537</name.id>
              <electorate>Bonner</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="316537" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms KARA COOK</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bonner</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:29</span>):  My question is to the Deputy Prime Minister representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs. How is the Albanese Labor government delivering credible action on climate change and why is this important to the region?</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2203</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Marles, Richard Donald MP</name>
              <name.id>HWQ</name.id>
              <electorate>Corio</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="HWQ" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr MARLES</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Corio</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Defence</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:29</span>):  I thank the member for her question. The entry point for Australia's engagement with the countries of the Pacific is by our nation's meaningful action on climate change through a credible pathway to achieving net zero emissions by 2050. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Three of the four coral atoll nations in the world are in the Pacific—Kiribati, Tuvalu and the Marshall Islands. The fourth, the Maldives, is in another region of strategic importance to us—the north-east Indian Ocean. These countries occupy thin strips of land, and their people have an understandable, deep connection to the sea. The sea is their source of food and nourishment, their place of recreation and where they practise culture. In short, the sea has been their source of security. But, with the effects of climate change—with rising sea levels which threaten to engulf their nations, with more frequent storm surges which are fouling their water lenses—suddenly the sea is a source of threat. It is hard to describe how viscerally this impacts the peoples of the Pacific, their national psyche and their very way of life. They are left to wonder whether their towns and villages will be livable, and governments are faced with decisions which, for us, would be unimaginable. So part of our responsibility is to help the Pacific tell its climate change story to the world. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Back in 2011, I was honoured to be able to take the then secretary-general of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon, to Kiribati, where we stood in a kitchen and literally watched the sea lap up against the front door. Today, our government's bid to host COP31 next year is an incredible opportunity to tell the story of the Pacific, and indeed all small island states around the globe, in a way which places it front and centre on the world stage. How different is that to what we saw from those opposite? When they were in government, the Pacific Islands Forum was a meeting where Australia had absolutely nothing to say, and the only time they spoke about this issue was when they made jokes at the expense of the Pacific. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Meaningful action on climate change is central to our economic prosperity. To be clear, that is the core driver of our government's policies. But, at the same time, meaningful action on climate change is at the heart of Australia's standing within our region and within our world, and that in turn is fundamental to our nation's security. </span>
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          <title>Telecommunications</title>
          <page.no>2203</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Telecommunications</span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2203</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
              <name.id>281513</name.id>
              <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281513" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Mrs McINTOSH</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lindsay</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:32</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Communications. Noting the minister's determination to hold Optus to account, why did the minister express confusion about the opposition's amendment to double the maximum penalty for getting things so badly wrong on behalf of Australians dialling triple 0? Will the minister review her decision and act to double this penalty as the opposition has suggested? </span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2203</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
              <name.id>264121</name.id>
              <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="264121" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms WELLS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:33</span>):  I thank the shadow minister for communications for her question. I'm sure, as the shadow minister for communications, she would recall that, a few sitting weeks ago, we introduced enhancing consumer safeguards legislation to this place, where we enhanced penalties for telcos doing the wrong thing by 40 times. So penalties are now up to $10 million and more in particular situations. So I believe—and, I believe, with her support—this House is already considering penalties. I offer, in good faith, that, if that is a live issue for you, given this bill is before the House, we can continue to work on penalties where it is already tabled in the House. I'm done.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  I think the minister has concluded, but I will hear from the Manager of Opposition Business.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWO" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Hawke:</span>
                  </a>  The bill is not before the House. The bill has passed the House. The bill has already passed. We asked if she would review her decision. The Prime Minister has just offered to quadruple the penalties. He just asked us across the table—</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  That is not a point of order. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWO" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Hawke:</span>
                  </a>  so we're confused about government policy. </span>
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              <a href="R36" type="GeneralIInterjecting">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Mr Albanese interjecting</span>—</span>
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              </a>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWO" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Hawke:</span>
                  </a>  Well, you asked—</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Resume your seat. The minister has concluded her answer. The manager made a point of order or a statement to the House. We're going to get the House to settle and come to order.</span>
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                <page.no>2203</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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                <page.no>2204</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Hawke, Alex MP</name>
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                <electorate>Mitchell</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
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                <page.no>2204</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                <page.no>2204</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Hawke, Alex MP</name>
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                <electorate>Mitchell</electorate>
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                <page.no>2204</page.no>
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                <page.no>2204</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Hawke, Alex MP</name>
                <name.id>HWO</name.id>
                <electorate>Mitchell</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
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                <page.no>2204</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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          <title>Vocational Education and Training</title>
          <page.no>2204</page.no>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2204</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Doyle, Mary MP</name>
              <name.id>299962</name.id>
              <electorate>Aston</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="299962" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms DOYLE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Aston</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:34</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Skills and Training. How are the Albanese Labor government ensuring Australians, particularly apprentices, can make the most of the opportunities in the clean energy sector? Are they aware of any alternatives?</span>
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          </talk.text>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2204</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Giles, Andrew MP</name>
              <name.id>243609</name.id>
              <electorate>Scullin</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="243609" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr GILES</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Scullin</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Skills and Training</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:35</span>):  I thank my friend the member for Aston for her question. Like all of us on this side of the House, she understands how critical it is that Australia makes the most of the opportunities of net zero and, in particular, the opportunities to upskill and work in the clean energy economy. The Albanese government has had a clear focus on delivering opportunities for Australians, for communities and for the economy and on how we can ensure that Australians in every corner of the country can access the skills they want for the jobs we need in our growing clean energy sector.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, this includes our fantastic New Energy Apprenticeships Program, a program which has already seen more than 13,000 people pick up the tools and begin their path to become tradies in new energy, with the help of $10,000 incentive payments over the course of their apprenticeship to help with the cost of living now and to help with completing their qualifications. These thousands of tradies will ensure our renewable energy infrastructure can be built, maintained and sustained to service Australia well into the future in automotive trades, in plumbing and in electrical trades—training Australians to build our future. So far, the program has seen a retention rate, at the 12-month mark, of 85 per cent, making a real difference and opening doors of opportunity to pre-apprenticeship students like Jaz and Sayed, who I met in Box Hill TAFE with the member for Menzies and who are benefiting from free TAFE, and to students in communities like Gippsland, where I met Siobhan, a qualified electrician blazing a trail for others—</span>
              </p>
              <a href="IPZ" type="GeneralIInterjecting">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Mr Chester interjecting</span>—</span>
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              </a>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="243609" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr GILES:</span>
                  </a>  in Gippsland, Member for Gippsland.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We know that the Leader of the Opposition thinks that if you don't pay for something you don't value it. That's her track record on free TAFE. But, fortunately, she does back net zero by 2050, or she did. The Leader of the Opposition said only a few years ago, 'I think the net zero by 2050 aim is perfect.' 'Perfect', she said, but not to those sitting beside her, because let's not forget the coalition's first bill of this term was to abandon net zero. That's not perfect. While our government is delivering opportunity for Australians in clean energy, they're fighting amongst themselves about whether or not to even believe in climate change. Let's be clear about this: abandoning climate action isn't just reckless for our economy. It's reckless for our environment and it's reckless for jobs. It means slamming the doors shut for people like Jaz, Sayed and Siobhan. But, in place of the division, dysfunction and denial over there, the Albanese government will continue to deliver the clean energy skills Australians need, the clean energy jobs Australians want and the clean energy transition that will set Australia up for the future.</span>
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                <name role="metadata">Giles, Andrew MP</name>
                <name.id>243609</name.id>
                <electorate>Scullin</electorate>
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          <title>Medical Research Future Fund</title>
          <page.no>2204</page.no>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2204</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Ryan, Monique MP</name>
              <name.id>297660</name.id>
              <electorate>Kooyong</electorate>
              <party>IND</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="297660" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Dr RYAN</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Kooyong</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:38</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Health and Ageing. Minister, Australian medical researchers and universities are struggling to survive while your government is releasing less than half of what it could spend from the Medical Research Future Fund. The Parliamentary Budget Office says that you could spend up to $1.4 billion a year while still keeping $24 billion in a fund which was never intended to hold more than $20 billion. Why won't you release taxpayers' money for the purpose for which it's been set aside?</span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2204</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Butler, Mark Christopher MP</name>
              <name.id>HWK</name.id>
              <electorate>Hindmarsh</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWK" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr BUTLER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hindmarsh</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Disability and the National Disability Insurance Scheme, Minister for Health and Ageing and Deputy Leader of the House</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:38</span>):  I thank the member for her question. As a paediatric neurologist and a very esteemed researcher, she understands this area very well and has been a strong contributor to the debate about the future of health and medical research, which I'll come to. That includes the question of disbursements from the MRFF, but it goes more broadly than that.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">As the member knows, and as most in this House know, the MRFF was set up about a decade ago not just to add more money to our health and medical research sector from government but also to take a slightly different approach: not only to have funding flow essentially bottom up for investigator initiated applications to the NHMRC but to allow us as a country to set out particular priorities that would then be funded through a priority driven fund, through the MRFF. It means that we're now funding more than $1.5 billion of health and medical research projects every year. When I set up the review that set the MRFF in motion that was about $650 million—so we've more than doubled the amount of funding going in. The member looks confused—$850 million from the MREA, the endowment account from the NHMRC, and about $650 million per year from the MRFF. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">As the member knows, $650 million has been the annual disbursement from the MRFF for some years now. The member knows the departments of treasury and finance conducted their statutory review, after 10 years of the MRFF. That review, I think, has been published in the last couple of weeks and has raised a number of issues around the funding from the MRFF, including annual disbursement amount. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">More broadly than that—again, as the member knows—we are in the process of receiving a national strategy for health and medical research that's been prepared by Rosemary Huxtable, a very esteemed former public servant. This has been a big ask from the health and medical research sector to have an overarching national strategy. Ms Huxtable has released a draft strategy that's out for consultation now. I encourage the member and other interested members to engage with that. We've asked Ms Huxtable to deliver the final strategy to government by the end of the year. That strategy, obviously along with pieces of work like the 10-year review commissioned or delivered by the departments of treasury and finance, will guide the government's future thinking. </span>
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        </answer>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Critical and Strategic Minerals Industry</title>
          <page.no>2205</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Critical and Strategic Minerals Industry</span>
            </p>
          </body>
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2205</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Smith, Matt MP</name>
              <name.id>312393</name.id>
              <electorate>Leichhardt</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="312393" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Mr MATT SMITH</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Leichhardt</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:41</span>):  My question is to the Prime Minister. How is the Albanese Labor government working with the Queensland government to protect jobs in regional Queensland and strengthen Australia's copper capability?</span>
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            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2205</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Albanese, Anthony MP</name>
              <name.id>R36</name.id>
              <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="R36" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr ALBANESE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Grayndler</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Prime Minister</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:41</span>):  I thank the member for Leichhardt for his question. Today our government has announced a joint investment with the Queensland government, in Glencore's Mount Isa copper smelter and Townsville refinery. Support will be jointly provided to ensure more than 600 direct jobs remain ongoing, with an additional 500 jobs at the nearby Phosphate Hill facility. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Glencore's Mount Isa smelter reinforces Australia's position as a key global supplier of copper. In this century, part of the transition to clean energy requires a greater use of copper. It is used as a conductor in everything, from electric vehicles to batteries, that will power the globe in the 21st century. This is a valuable resource that we can't afford to lose. It's important to Queensland and it's important to the nation. It's jobs, it's industry capability and it's economic power, and I thank Premier Crisafulli for the constructive engagement that we have had over recent weeks to be able to deliver this announcement. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The investment announced today, though, has been made contingent on Glencore taking their share of responsibility as well. This includes conducting a transformation study, putting in the work to bring the facility into the modern day, evaluating the end-to-end copper value chain in the region so that Mount Isa and Australia continue to benefit from a sustainable and long-term industry. Both the Commonwealth and the Queensland governments will support Glencore in that evaluation process. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Glencore needs to back Mount Isa just as Mount Isa has backed Glencore. Both the Premier and I are very clear about that with the company. It is a highly profitable company, delivering billions in dividends to shareholders this year alone. Future opportunities for industry mean that companies must invest to meet those opportunities. Of course, as the member for Kennedy has reminded the House on a number of occasions, there are third-generation workers at the Mount Isa facility. Our government wants there to be a fourth and a fifth generation. I've met workers there in the many visits that I've had to Mount Isa and it's quite clear that, if that facility closed, it would have a devastating impact on that community and on that important town in north Queensland. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We say to those workers at that facility that we're going to look after your jobs. We want to make sure that your children can have a good job too. That is what we are determined to do. That's what today's announcement will deliver. Once again, this government is backing jobs and backing industry. We're making sure we're also backing regional Queensland.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </answer>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Telecommunications</title>
          <page.no>2205</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Telecommunications</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2205</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
              <name.id>281513</name.id>
              <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281513" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Mrs McINTOSH</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lindsay</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:44</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Communications. I refer to the minister's previous answer, where she refused to address whether welfare checks have been conducted. It is an open secret in the press gallery that Labor MPs are complaining to journalists that the minister continually fails to show any compassion for victims. Today, secret emails have revealed the minister—</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Honourable members interjecting</span>—</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Order! I can't hear the question. I heard backgrounding, but I want to know what the context was. So I'm going to ask the member for Lindsay to begin her question again—and she will be heard in silence.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281513" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mrs McINTOSH:</span>
                  </a>  I refer to the minister's previous answer, where she refused to address whether welfare checks have been conducted. It is an open secret in the press gallery that Labor MPs are complaining to journalists that the minister continually fails to show any compassion for victims. Today, secret emails have revealed the minister's office was aware of this crisis 24 hours before the time at which the minister told the House she found out. Yesterday, the minister refused to apologise for this failure. Will the minister finally now apologise to victims and their families?</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Government members interjecting</span>—</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Order! I just remind government members: do not test me on timed questions; otherwise, it will apply to ministers as well. There is nothing that annoys me more than when someone yells out on the issue of time. If people want me to go down the path of exact, strict limits, we will do it. It means questions will be ruled out and ministers will be sat down. I'm asking everyone to respect that.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2206</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </interjection>
          <continue>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2206</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
                <name.id>281513</name.id>
                <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </continue>
          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2206</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </interjection>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2206</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
              <name.id>264121</name.id>
              <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="264121" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms WELLS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:47</span>):  As I said in an earlier answer, the information that Optus provided to my office on 18 September was that there had been a minor outage that affected 10 calls, that it had been resolved and, most importantly, that there were no adverse impacts on any persons. With respect to the more catastrophic outage that affected 631 calls, potentially with links to three deaths—potentially four deaths, as we found out on Saturday—I inquired as to the correct process for dealing with families in this situation. I was advised that emergency services is the correct and proper agency that we use to reach out, so that's what happened. I also spoke to the premiers of South Australia and Western Australia, the Chief Minister of the NT and numerous other people across that weekend as we all worked on our collective response.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, I will absolutely meet with affected families if that's what they wish. I am respecting their space. There are many sensitivities here, and I'm not going to make their lives harder by politicising their grief in this place as you have now done two days in a row.</span>
              </p>
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          </talk.text>
        </answer>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Housing</title>
          <page.no>2206</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Housing</span>
            </p>
          </body>
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2206</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Thwaites, Kate MP</name>
              <name.id>282212</name.id>
              <electorate>Jagajaga</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="282212" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms THWAITES</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Jagajaga</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:48</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Housing, Minister for Homelessness and Minister for Cities. What is the Albanese Labor government doing to back first home buyers and build more homes? What is standing in the way?</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2206</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">O'Neil, Clare Ellen MP</name>
              <name.id>140590</name.id>
              <electorate>Hotham</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="140590" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms O'NEIL</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hotham</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Housing, Minister for Homelessness and Minister for Cities</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:48</span>):  I really want to thank the fantastic member for Jagajaga for her question. I know, like everyone on this side of the chamber, she is so excited that our government has opened up a realistic pathway for tens of thousands more young people every year to get into the dream of homeownership in our great country. In her electorate, about 500 people have already taken up the opportunity of getting into homeownership through our five per cent deposit scheme. I hope to see many more over the coming three years. They will have their local member of parliament to thank for that.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Our government understands that housing is a life-defining challenge for many people around our country. That's why we are taking our government on a journey from the complete negligence and ignorance about the housing crisis that was demonstrated by those opposite over nine years to building the boldest and most ambitious housing agenda that our country has had at the Commonwealth level for 70 years.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, we know that the answer to our housing crisis is ultimately that we've got to build more homes more quickly, and that's why the majority of our government's $43 billion housing agenda is focused on building, building, building. We're seeing real progress on this. You've heard me say to the parliament before that we've got new housing starts up 17 per cent on where they were a year ago.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">When we took office from those opposite and their shambolic dealings with housing, construction costs were rising at a historic 17 per cent. They're now rising below inflation. We're supporting modern methods of construction. We're training more tradies; tens of thousands have gone through fee-free TAFE with our government's support. Perhaps most importantly of all, we're doing something that the Commonwealth has not done at scale since the postwar period, and that is that we are building tens of thousands of homes—55,000 social and affordable homes—for Australians in need. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The opposition's approach to our agenda defies any sensible words. I want to point to the reaction to the five per cent deposit scheme. This expansion is genuinely going to make meaningful shifts for thousands of young people around our country who are desperate to get into their own home, who need and deserve our government's support, but the shadow housing minister is particularly opposed to this expansion of homeownership. He's called it bizarre and ridiculous and he's said that this policy will help the children of billionaires get into their own homes. How absolutely out of touch do you need to be to make a foolish statement like that—as if the children of billionaires are taking out 95 per cent loans to buy a two-bedroom home in the member for Jagajaga's electorate. It's an insult to the 180,000 people who have already used this program and the thousands more who will get into it.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Those opposite did nothing when they were in opposition. They spent three years trying to hold our government up for doing important work. We are undeterred. We've got $43 billion on the table to build more homes, help renters get a better deal and, yes, get more Australians into homeownership.</span>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Centre for Disease Control</title>
          <page.no>2207</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Australian Centre for Disease Control</span>
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2207</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Scamps, Sophie MP</name>
              <name.id>299623</name.id>
              <electorate>Mackellar</electorate>
              <party>IND</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="299623" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Dr SCAMPS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mackellar</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:51</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Health and Aged Care. The former director-general of the American Centers for Disease Control, Dr Susan Monarez, testified that she was illegally sacked from the role by the US secretary for health for refusing to fire top scientists at the agency or to pre-approve changes to vaccine advice without evaluating the evidence. In her place, the health secretary's own deputy has been inserted into the role. Minister, will the Australian CDC be safeguarded from political interference by ensuring that its director-general is appointed from a shortlist determined by an independent selection panel?</span>
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            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2207</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Butler, Mark Christopher MP</name>
              <name.id>HWK</name.id>
              <electorate>Hindmarsh</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWK" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr BUTLER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hindmarsh</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Disability and the National Disability Insurance Scheme, Minister for Health and Ageing and Deputy Leader of the House</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:52</span>):  Thank you to the member for her question and for her engagement about this really important reform. As the member knows and as many in this House know, the lack of a single trusted source of advice and data was one of the very significant restrictions we had in our pandemic preparedness and our pandemic response. That was the view of many public health organisations. It was the first conclusion of the independent COVID inquiry. That is why we are currently debating legislation to introduce an independent CDC. It's supported by all state and territory governments. It's supported by every public health organisation I'm aware of. It's supported by many members of this House. I'm not sure whether it's supported by the opposition; they indicated at the last election that they would not proceed with this, but it's an important debate for this parliament to continue to have.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The CDC will be an independent agency that operates separately from the Department of Health. The Director-General of the CDC is a very important role, and many of its arrangements, powers and functions are set out in the bill that's currently being debated by the House. It's very important that the director-general perform his or her functions at arm's length from the government. They will not be subject to direction from the secretary of my department or from the minister—or anyone else, for that matter. There are also, importantly to the member's question, very limited provisions allowing the termination of the Director-General of the CDC. They are for misbehaviour or an inability to perform their duties due to physical or mental incapacity. Importantly, that person cannot be terminated for providing advice that the government of the day does not agree with.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">As to the appointment, the minister for health must be satisfied that the director-general holds appropriate expertise, qualifications or experience in public health matters prior to their appointment. The process of appointment will reflect the government's well-understood merit and transparency policy. That involves a selection being put together, which in this case will probably involve the secretary of my department, along with a nominee of the Public Service Commission and other potential representatives. They would undertake an interview process after advertisement. They would then provide a shortlist with a report on every shortlisted candidate to the minister for the minister's consideration and then the decision of the government in the usual way. I'm very confident that that provides a level of independence and assurance for the community that this person occupying a very important role in this new agency will have the appropriate qualifications and experience and the appropriate protections and independence from political interference.</span>
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        </answer>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Schools</title>
          <page.no>2207</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Schools</span>
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2207</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Clutterham, Claire MP</name>
              <name.id>316101</name.id>
              <electorate>Sturt</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="316101" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms CLUTTERHAM</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Sturt</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:55</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Education. What action is the Albanese Labor government taking to address bullying in schools and to make our schools safer for all Australian children?</span>
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            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </question>
        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2207</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Clare, Jason Dean MP</name>
              <name.id>HWL</name.id>
              <electorate>Blaxland</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWL" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr CLARE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Blaxland</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Education</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:55</span>):  I thank my friend the member for Sturt for her question. She understands this in a very personal and painful way, which she so powerfully explained to all of us in her first speech to this place. Bullying isn't just a bit of push and shove in the playground or stealing lunch money. It's a lot more awful and insidious than that. Sometimes it can leave invisible scars that never heal. Today it can follow you all the way home after school. The internet means that you can be bullied now at any time, day or night, and anyone can see it. AI, artificial intelligence, makes it even worse. We've seen too many examples of that over the last few months, where photos of students or teachers are cut and cropped onto naked bodies. That sort of bullying and harassment can sometimes lead to teachers leaving the job that they love or, in the worst and most heartbreaking examples, young people taking their own life. You can understand then why so many mothers and fathers around the country are so worried.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">This is a serious problem, and it's getting worse. One in four students tell us that they've been bullied at school in the last few weeks. One in two say they've been bullied online. Thirteen per cent say that online bullying involved someone telling them that they should die. Complaints about online bullying to the eSafety Commissioner have increased by 450 per cent in the last five years. It's one of the reasons why we're implementing the social media ban for children under the age of 16. It's being led by my friend the Minister for Communications, and it starts in a few weeks.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">It's also why the Prime Minister commissioned an antibullying rapid review earlier this year. That work is being led by Dr Charlotte Keating, a clinical psychologist, and Professor Jo Robinson AM, the head of suicide prevention research at Orygen. Over the last few months, they've received more than 1,700 submissions from mums, dads, teachers and students. They've also met with students and teachers and with the mothers and fathers who have lost their children because of this. Next week, they will present their recommendations to education ministers and their proposed national standard on bullying in schools. In advance of that, I thank them for the work that they have done. This is hard work, and it's getting harder. We can't be naive and think that anything we do here is going to stop bullying in all its forms or that bullying just happens at school. Of course it doesn't. But it does happen at schools, and schools are a place where we can act to help to keep our children safe. And this report will help us provide a way to do that.</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </answer>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Minister for Communications</title>
          <page.no>2208</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Minister for Communications</span>
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2208</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
              <name.id>281688</name.id>
              <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
              <party>NATS</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281688" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Dr WEBSTER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mallee</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">14:58</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Communications. As the minister earlier said, people have died. Instead of coming clean about what the minister and her office knew and when, the minister chose to mislead the public and the House to protect herself. In light of evidence tabled at Senate estimates today, why doesn't the minister just say sorry?</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="DYW" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Burke:</span>
                  </a>  Mr Speaker, in terms of questions—when you go through the list in standing order 100(d) of things that a question must not contain, this has already got most of them. Separate to that, there was an assertion made in the question that can only be made by direct motion and cannot be used in that way. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  The Manager of Opposition Business, on a point of order?</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWO" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Hawke:</span>
                  </a>  No. The assertion that the manager is referring to is actually 'deliberately misleading'. She did not use that phrase.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  The Leader of the House?</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="DYW" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Burke:</span>
                  </a>  If the inference were being made in the form which the Manager of Opposition Business just put, the question wouldn't have concluded with seeking an apology. </span>
              </p>
              <a href="HWO" type="GeneralIInterjecting">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">
                    </span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Mr Hawke interjecting—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
              </a>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting" style="font-style:italic;">
                  </span>
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  I think we can find a way through this without the back and forth.</span>
              </p>
              <a href="83M" type="GeneralIInterjecting">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Ms Plibersek interjecting</span>—</span>
                </p>
              </a>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Minister, I appreciate your assistance, but I think I've got this. There were a lot of problems with that question, in terms of the way it was phrased and in terms of the direct reference and inference—if we could just take out some of those inferences. I want to read standing order 100(d) out so the whole House knows. It reads:</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">Questions must not contain: </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(i) statements of facts or names of persons, unless they can be authenticated and are strictly necessary to make the question intelligible; </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(ii) arguments; </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(iii) inferences; </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(iv) imputations; </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(v) insults; </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(vi) ironical expressions; or </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(vii) hypothetical matter. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">It did contain a lot of those things. If the member for Mallee could just tone that question down, make it factual and make it a little less personal, she could still get her point across and still make sure the House knows what she is asking the minister. I'm asking her to work with me on that for the benefit of the House. She has the call. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281688" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Dr WEBSTER:</span>
                  </a>  My question is to the Minister for Communications. People have died. Instead of coming clean about what the minister or office knew and when, the minister chose not to accept responsibility. In light of evidence tabled at Senate estimates today, why doesn't the minister just say sorry? </span>
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                <name role="metadata">Burke, Tony MP</name>
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                <electorate>Watson</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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                <name role="metadata">Hawke, Alex MP</name>
                <name.id>HWO</name.id>
                <electorate>Mitchell</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
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                <page.no>2208</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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                <page.no>2208</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Burke, Tony MP</name>
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                <electorate>Watson</electorate>
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                <page.no>2208</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
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                <page.no>2208</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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                <page.no>2208</page.no>
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                <name role="metadata">Ms Plibersek interjecting—</name>
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                <page.no>2208</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2208</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
                <name.id>281688</name.id>
                <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
                <party>NATS</party>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2209</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
              <name.id>264121</name.id>
              <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="264121" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms WELLS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:02</span>):  Thank you for the question. All of the matters that have been raised today are a matter of public record and have been a matter of public record for more than two weeks. They were declared by the regulator, Nerida O'Loughlin, and me at a press conference. That press conference transcript is available on my website. It has been available for more than two weeks. This issue is not about emails. Hopefully we can all agree about that. This is fundamentally about Optus's failure to manage its network and to meet its legal obligations. My job as minister is to improve the system, to work for Australians and to deliver maximum safety and public confidence. </span>
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          <title>Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme</title>
          <page.no>2209</page.no>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2209</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Cook, Trish MP</name>
              <name.id>312871</name.id>
              <electorate>Bullwinkel</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
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              <first.speech />
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                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms TRISH COOK</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bullwinkel</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:02</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Health and Ageing. How is the Albanese Labor government making medicines cheaper for all Australians? How are new medicines being listed on the PBS making new treatments available for Australians with serious illnesses? </span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2209</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Butler, Mark Christopher MP</name>
              <name.id>HWK</name.id>
              <electorate>Hindmarsh</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <a href="HWK" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr BUTLER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hindmarsh</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Disability and the National Disability Insurance Scheme, Minister for Health and Ageing and Deputy Leader of the House</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:03</span>):  Thank you to the member for Bullwinkel. Following the member for Cooper and the member for Indi, she is the 10th nurse elected to this parliament and very appropriately represents an electorate named after the most famous nurse we have had in Australia, Vivian Bullwinkel. </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">I first met the member for Bullwinkel when she was presenting a paper at a global cancer conference about the benefits of receiving chemotherapy in-home as part of her doctorate in nursing. This is a member who deeply understands the importance of a stronger Medicare and cheaper medicines. She also knows that October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Today and every other day, on average, around 60 Australian women are told that they have breast cancer. Although the overall survival rate in this country is one of the world's best, it's much lower if you're told that you have metastatic breast cancer, or cancer that has spread to other parts of the body. Only about one in three of those women will survive more than five years. </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Last week, we listed on the PBS a new drug that gives new hope to those women who've received a diagnosis of metastatic breast cancer. Truqap will benefit as many as 3,000 patients every year—women with HR-positive/HER2-negative advanced or metastatic breast cancer, a type that accounts for as much as 70 per cent of all breast cancer cases. Without a listing on the PBS, patients would have to pay around $100,000 for a course of treatment with this drug, and that is the magic of the PBS: providing access for Australian patients to the world's best medicines at affordable prices.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">And we're making those PBS medicines even cheaper. The first four waves of our Cheaper Medicines policy have already saved Australian patients more than $1.5 billion in payments at the pharmacy counter—a huge amount. But there are more savings to come. This year we froze the price of PBS scripts for Australia's millions of pensioners, not just for this year but for the rest of the decade. And from 1 January next year the maximum price of a PBS script for Australia's general patients will be cut to just $25—the same price it was way back in 2004, more than 20 years ago. Obviously—it goes without saying—all this is terrific for the hip pocket, but it's also good for your health: helping Australians afford the medicines and the health care that their doctors have said are important for their health, creating a stronger Medicare and a healthier Australia.</span>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Biosecurity</title>
          <page.no>2209</page.no>
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              <page.no>2209</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Katter, Bob MP</name>
              <name.id>HX4</name.id>
              <electorate>Kennedy</electorate>
              <party>KAP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="HX4" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Mr KATTER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Kennedy</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:06</span>):  My question is to the Prime Minister. Prime Minister, the grand final is over; Queensland won—sorry about that! The season is over. A thousand North Queensland rugby league players are bored. And you know, PM, an idle mind is the devil's workshop. In some of the last jungles left on Earth, three million pigs are destroying our fauna and flora. Please give the boys back their rifles and licensed—I emphasise 'licensed'—access to national parks. Prime Minister, you'll rescue the now doomed cassowary and the North Queensland turtle. Give the boys back their air rifles. You may even eliminate some of the 2,000 million toads in North Queensland. Prime Minister, it's too late for the Rabbitohs—sorry, sorry!—and don't worry about the pests in this place. Please would you worry about the pests in North Queensland?</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  The Manager of Opposition Business on a point of order?</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWO" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Hawke:</span>
                  </a>  Well, I think, Speaker, you know my point of order already. You just finished reading standing order 100(d), which says that questions may not contain arguments, inferences, imputations, insults, ironical expressions or hypothetical matter.</span>
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                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  No, the question was about pest management, at the end. The actual question was about pest management. So, it's completely within order. And the difference between the questions, if you want to get into it, Manager, is that the member for Kennedy wasn't specifying any person. He didn't mention any person. That's the difference. So, there was a difference in the previous question, about a person. That's an important point to make to the House.</span>
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              <a href="HX4" type="GeneralIInterjecting">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Mr Katter interjecting</span>—</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  No way, member for Kennedy! No chance! The Prime Minister has the call.</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2209</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2209</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Hawke, Alex MP</name>
                <name.id>HWO</name.id>
                <electorate>Mitchell</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.text>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2209</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.text>
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          <interjection>
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                <page.no>2210</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Mr Katter interjecting—</name>
                <name.id />
                <electorate />
                <party />
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                <page.no>2210</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2210</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Albanese, Anthony MP</name>
              <name.id>R36</name.id>
              <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <a href="R36" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr ALBANESE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Grayndler</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Prime Minister</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:08</span>):  I am concerned about pests; I assure the House of that. And I know that this is a really serious issue around our national parks, and not just around regional Queensland but right around the country. Some time ago I visited the Northern Territory, with the Cattlemen's Association, looking at the issue of feral pigs there. It is devastating the country and having a real impact on our wildlife, and therefore it is something that we do take seriously.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">I will ask the minister for agriculture, though, to supplement—although I will say to the member for Kennedy that, as a South Sydney supporter, we've been 40 years in a drought, and we always have hope! And we have something that those on this side of the House have in abundance: it's called loyalty.</span>
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        <answer>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2210</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Collins, Julie Maree MP</name>
              <name.id>HWM</name.id>
              <electorate>Franklin</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <a href="HWM" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms COLLINS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Franklin</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:09</span>):  I thank the Prime Minister for passing through that question from the member for Kennedy. We've had many discussions in person about his love of the land in Queensland, his genuine commitment to improving land management in Queensland and his concern for invasive species, because there's no doubt they are having a serious impact in Queensland and elsewhere around the country. </span>
              </p>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">That is why, since coming to government, we have strengthened our biosecurity system—because we do know that we want to stop more pests and disease from getting into the country. We've now invested around $2 billion in doing that. Can I say that we also work closely with states and territories, and, as the member for Kennedy would be aware, it is the responsibility of those respective states and territories to do the invasive species management on the ground in those states where the invasive species are. In the past, the former federal government offered some funding in relation to the prickly acacia, which I understand he's concerned about.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">In terms of the feral pigs, we have actually provided funding to Australian Pork to host the National Feral Pig Coordinator, which is a program we just announced we will extend so that it can better coordinate with the states and territories about how they can manage on the ground the feral pig population across the country. We have invested $3.87 million as part of the National Feral Pig Action Plan that will run through to 2031. So we are investing with states and territories to make sure we can manage some of these feral species around the country. We're doing it with feral pigs and a whole range of other species, but it is primarily the responsibility of the states and territories. Our job, of course, is biosecurity, which we're investing more in. We've put more biosecurity detector dogs on the beat as well.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Disaster and Emergency Management</title>
          <page.no>2210</page.no>
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          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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        <question>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2210</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Elliot, Justine MP</name>
              <name.id>DZW</name.id>
              <electorate>Richmond</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
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                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Mrs ELLIOT</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Richmond</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:11</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Emergency Management. What is the Albanese Labor government doing to prepare communities, particularly in regional Australia, for more intense natural disasters as a result of climate change? What other approaches has the government been asked to consider?</span>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2210</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">McBain, Kristy MP</name>
              <name.id>281988</name.id>
              <electorate>Eden-Monaro</electorate>
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <a href="281988" type="MemberAnswer">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms McBAIN</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Eden-Monaro</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Regional Development, Local Government and Territories and Minister for Emergency Management</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:11</span>):  I want to thank the member for Richmond for her question. She understands the impact of climate change on her regional communities, and I was with her in Murwillumbah, where I had the privilege of meeting with local farmers, businessowners and community members, who understand the need for action on climate change now and investment in particular in disaster resilience. I thank her for her work in advocating for disaster affected communities.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">We know natural disasters are increasing in frequency and ferocity. The National Climate Risk Assessment highlighted that Australia will experience climate hazards—like floods, cyclones, heatwaves, droughts and bushfires—more frequently, more severely and often at the same time. It found that no Australian community will be immune to climate risks. Those opposite are shaking their heads, and I don't know why. In 2024-25, there were 70 declared natural disasters, impacting more than 200 local councils across the country. And some of them had more than one disaster. It is absolutely gobsmacking to sit there and shake your head and say this isn't impacting communities that you represent.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">It highlights the importance of taking action to help mitigate the impacts on communities, and this government is taking action. We've created the National Emergency Management Agency. We've established the Disaster Ready Fund, where we're investing a billion dollars in disaster mitigation over five years with matching funding from other levels of government. We've increased funding for aerial capability to respond to fires, to floods and to other severe weather events. We've built the first ever national emergency stockpile to supplement jurisdictions' own resources of emergency housing, water purification and other necessities when disasters strike. We're funding Disaster Relief Australia, a veteran-run volunteer organisation to provide boots on the ground when it comes to clean-up and to recovery. We are taking action to mitigate risks and to ensure communities are more resilient ahead of the next natural disaster.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">While those opposite continue to debate whether they believe in climate change or not, we are taking action. While those opposite continue to fight the climate wars amongst themselves, because the rest of us are getting on with the job—</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWO" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Hawke:</span>
                  </a>  Point of order! Point of order! Point of order!</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Yes, yes, okay! Order! The minister may pause. It's okay!</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWO" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Hawke:</span>
                  </a>  It's on relevance. The minister was not asked about this. The minister was asked about the preparations she's making, and she's addressing matters that are not matters she was asked about.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  The question I hear is about what other measures the government had been asked to consider. As long as she's being relevant to the House about what the other measures are—she needs to relate it to the question, because the manager is correct; she wasn't asked about alternative policies or approaches. She was asked about what other measures the government has been asked to consider. So I will get her to specify to the House the measures that she was asked about.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281988" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Ms McBAIN:</span>
                  </a>  We on this side of the House don't need to fight climate wars. On this side of the House, we are taking action to help communities when they need it most. We're helping communities through preparedness and through infrastructure investment. We are taking action to keep Australians safe when natural disasters strike. I am proud to be part of a government that takes climate change seriously and is taking decisive action to prevent the worst of what we know is coming for Australians during high-risk weather seasons. Building resilience in the face of disasters is a priority for this Labor government. We only wish it were for those on that side of the House.</span>
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                <electorate>Mitchell</electorate>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <name role="metadata">McBain, Kristy MP</name>
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                <electorate>Eden-Monaro</electorate>
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          <title>Telecommunications</title>
          <page.no>2211</page.no>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2211</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Ley, Sussan Penelope MP</name>
              <name.id>00AMN</name.id>
              <electorate>Farrer</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
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              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="00AMN" type="MemberQuestion">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Ms LEY</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Farrer</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Leader of the Opposition</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:15</span>):  My question is to the Minister for Communications. As a self-described new minister, over the last two days the minister has informed this House that it is not appropriate for the minister to express empathy, that the email that alerted the minister's office to the escalating crisis needed no response from the minister or her office, and that the coalition's request to double the penalty for telcos who let Australians down is 'confusing'. When will the minister step up, take responsibility and restore trust in the triple 0 network for Australians?</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Order. Before I call the minister, I want to make all questions relevant, but to simply give opinions—it would help the House if any member, including the Leader of the Opposition, could perhaps give a quote or read something from <span style="font-style:italic;">Hansard</span> or a newspaper article rather than just giving an opinion about what you think someone has said or hasn't said, because—</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Honourable members interjecting</span>—</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Order! I don't have every single word that anyone has said in the whole House, so it's very hard for me to know exactly what is accurate or not. I'm trying to work with everyone here. Perhaps, moving forward for the rest of the week, if people could just be a little bit more accurate with their questions in terms of what has been said, that would be great, I think, for all members—and for ministers to be accurate with their responses as well. I hope everyone gets the point.</span>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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                <page.no>2211</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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              <page.no>2211</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
              <name.id>264121</name.id>
              <electorate>Lilley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
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                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Ms WELLS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lilley</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Sport and Minister for Communications</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:17</span>):  Thank you to the Leader of the Opposition for her question. I will deal with various elements of it. With respect to penalties, as I said in my previous answer, there is a bill before the House, the Telecommunications Amendment (Enhancing Consumer Safeguards) Bill 2025. It's an amendment to the Telecommunications Act. It was introduced on 28 August. It was debated on 4 September. The shadow minister for communications herself debated this bill on 4 September.</span>
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                  <a href="281513" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mrs McIntosh:</span>
                  </a>  Before the outage.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Order! The member for Lindsay has the MPI. She won't be here for it if she continues interjecting, which means we won't have the debate.</span>
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                  <a href="264121" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Ms WELLS:</span>
                  </a>  The shadow minister for communications spoke on this bill about enhancing consumer safeguards on 4 September. She spoke about penalties on 4 September. She spoke about her support for the increase in penalties up to $10 million and, in some particular cases, even more than that. She spoke in support of that work. So I would contend it is confusing for her, having done that on 4 September, to now bring an amendment to a different bill and object to us not supporting that amendment because we have already done this work which she has already supported in this place.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Opposition members interjecting</span>—</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  Order, members on my left!</span>
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              <a href="IPZ" type="GeneralIInterjecting">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
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                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Mr Chester interjecting</span>—</span>
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              </a>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                  </a>  The member for Gippsland is warned.</span>
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                  <a href="264121" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Ms WELLS:</span>
                  </a>  Nonetheless, we can all agree, surely, that what happened in September was not good enough, and the Albanese government will always work to protect Australians and we will always work to hold those who fail to deliver on their obligations to full account. There are several investigations underway now to this effect. If a telco fails Australians as Optus did, it will face real and serious consequences. There are no excuses. Telcos must deliver resilient and reliable triple 0 services. That is their obligation under the law, and that is the work we will continue to do on this side of the House to hold them to account.</span>
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                <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
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                <name role="metadata">Wells, Anika MP</name>
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          <title>Taxation: Alcohol</title>
          <page.no>2212</page.no>
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              <page.no>2212</page.no>
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              <name role="metadata">French, Tom MP</name>
              <name.id>316550</name.id>
              <electorate>Moore</electorate>
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                    <span class="HPS-MemberQuestion">Mr FRENCH</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Moore</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:19</span>):  My question is to the Prime Minister. How is the Albanese Labor government taking action to support Australia's local pubs, sporting clubs and RSLs and the Australians who gather and celebrate in these venues?</span>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2212</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Albanese, Anthony MP</name>
              <name.id>R36</name.id>
              <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
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                    <span class="HPS-MemberAnswer">Mr ALBANESE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Grayndler</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Prime Minister</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:20</span>):  I thank the member for Moore for his question. I'm reminded of his fantastic first speech in this place where he spoke about his background as a publican, the work he did engaging with people and how it motivated him to go into public life, to represent the people he used to serve across the bar. He's now serving across his electorate and doing a fantastic job.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Today we introduced legislation cementing our two-year freeze to the draft beer excise—the first time this has happened in 40 years. Forty years—that's a long time between drinks! As a local member, with so many terrific small breweries in my electorate, I know what this means for brewers, for publicans and, most importantly, for their customers, people who enjoy the odd beer.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Those local pubs, sporting clubs and RSLs are community focal points; they're places where we gather. And increasingly, with smaller families and people wanting to interact and have that social interaction face-to-face, these venues are becoming really important in bonding our community together. Indeed, if you go into any of your local pubs or clubs, they are the people who are sponsoring the local rugby league team, the local AFL team or the local netball team. They are the people who are really contributing and putting back. They're having barbecues at pubs to raise money for funds and for charities, making an enormous difference.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Ten thousand hospitality venues will benefit from this freeze. Overwhelmingly, they are small businesses run by mums and dads, by people who pitch in and work really hard on a day-to-day basis. That's why this freeze is a good thing. It's also part of our cost-of-living measures, together with other measures we've put in place—the cheaper medicines, the cheaper batteries that are in place—to provide cost-of-living support and to make a real difference for people to be able to get by.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">And when Australians now raise a glass, they know that the Australian government won't be raising the price at the same time, something they've campaigned on for a long period of time. It's good news for Australian beer drinkers, it's good news for Australian small business, it's good news for Australian pubs and clubs and it's good news for you, Mr Speaker, that, on that note, I ask that further questions be placed on the <span style="font-style:italic;">Notice Paper</span>.</span>
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        <title>STATEMENTS ON INDULGENCE</title>
        <page.no>2212</page.no>
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          <page.no>2212</page.no>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2212</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Albanese, Anthony MP</name>
              <name.id>R36</name.id>
              <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
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                  <a href="R36" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr ALBANESE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Grayndler</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Prime Minister</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:23</span>):  Today I had the great pleasure of welcoming Prime Minister Lawrence Wong to our parliament, his first official visit to Australia as Prime Minister of Singapore. Last night at the Lodge, Jodie Haydon and I had the privilege of hosting Mr and Mrs Wong—a delightful dinner, great company, good discussion on an informal level about the challenges that the world faces together.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Prime Minister Wong's delegation included the minister for defence, the minister for foreign affairs, the minister for manpower and a minister in charge of energy, science and technology. In defence cooperation, medical research, education, clean energy and a range of other sectors, Singapore and Australia are close partners. Our two nations are even closer friends.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">This year, as we celebrate 60 years of Singapore's independence, 60 years of diplomatic relations and 10 years of our comprehensive strategic partnership, we are taking that cooperation to the next level. Today, Prime Minister Wong and I agreed to an upgraded comprehensive strategic partnership. This will help ensure supply chains remain resilient. It will support our action together on climate change. It will strengthen pandemic preparedness and research cooperation. It will boost development on artificial intelligence and emerging technologies. It will further partnerships between our public services, universities and the arts.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">In addition to our upgraded partnership, ministers have signed MOUs across the board, including an important one on enhanced defence cooperation. This is about allowing access—which currently only the United States has—to Singapore's ports and, of course, its magnificent airport. This really is a game changer for Australia's presence in our regions to the north. It's really important and is something I've worked through with Prime Minister Wong. I thank the Minister for Defence and Deputy Prime Minister for the work that he's done with his counterpart on that as well.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">We also have our economic resilience agreement and an agreement working with our ASEAN partners. Both our nations are proud and constructive supporters of multilateral dialogues. Both of our nations support free and fair trade. We spoke about Australia and Singapore's focus on ASEAN and its central role in this region—particularly in the lead-up to Singapore chairing ASEAN in 2027.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">This is an important time where the world is seeing a lot of turbulence and uncertainty. What we can be certain about is that our friends in Singapore have the same values and the same interests as we do here, in Australia, and the agreements that we've signed today and the presence of Prime Minister Wong here, along with his delegation, are so important. All of that underlines the value of true and trusted friends such as Australia and Singapore.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">This is a friendship of course—it is 60 years of Singapore's independence. We were one of the first countries to recognise Singapore and that's not surprising, because of the relationship that we had—including, of course, with the devastation that Singapore suffered during World War II. The people-to-people relations are absolutely critical.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">One of the things that is important is that nations have relationships. It's also important that leaders have relationships, and I've developed a good relationship with Prime Minister Wong. He stood in whilst at the Shangri-La Dialogue that I spoke at—unfortunately his predecessor Prime Minister Lee suffered from COVID, so he hosted me on my bilateral visit to Singapore during that time.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">This is a relationship between not just nations and leaders but also peoples, and one of the initiatives of the former government was to bring back the Colombo Plan. That is continuing to deliver, with more Australians going to Singapore to study as well as Singapore residents coming here. Prime Minister Wong would have attended here. He wanted to go to the Australian War Memorial to pay his respects as well. He is a most valued leader. I wish him well on his visit across the ditch to New Zealand. I'm sure that this is a relationship that will continue to grow stronger into the future.</span>
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              <page.no>2213</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Ley, Sussan Penelope MP</name>
              <name.id>00AMN</name.id>
              <electorate>Farrer</electorate>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">The defence relationship, which the coalition took to the next level in 2015 with the inking of the comprehensive strategic partnership, is helping to strengthen our two nations and to support regional security. Our exchange of students and our joint research and investment in new technologies—including in the energy sector—are building the backbone for a stronger and more prosperous South-East Asia. It is a privilege to have Prime Minister Wong in the parliament, and I know I speak for all members when I say that, when you are in Australia, you are indeed among family.</span>
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        <page.no>2213</page.no>
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          <page.no>2213</page.no>
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              <page.no>2213</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Boyce, Colin MP</name>
              <name.id>299498</name.id>
              <electorate>Flynn</electorate>
              <party>LNP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="299498" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr BOYCE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Flynn</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:29</span>):  Speaker, I wish to make a personal explanation.</span>
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                  </a>  Do you claim to have been misrepresented?</span>
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                  </a>  Most grievously.</span>
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                  </a>  During question time today, the member for McMahon made reference to some comments that I made at a gathering recently. I would like to inform the member for McMahon that he is wrong and has misrepresented me. First of all, nobody is disputing climate change. Climate change is real, it has always happened and it always will. The question that I was asked was: have I ever seen any scientific, empirical, conclusive evidence that man-made emissions of carbon dioxide are changing the climate on planet Earth? Now, the answer to that is no, and I don't believe that it exists. There are many arguments on both sides of this argument, as we are all aware. Now, if the honourable member is in possession of this empirical, conclusive evidence, please give it to me.</span>
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                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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        <page.no>2214</page.no>
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          <title>Report No. 3 of 2025-26</title>
          <page.no>2214</page.no>
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              <page.no>2214</page.no>
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              <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
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              <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">The SPEAKER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Time">15:31</span>):  I present the Auditor-General's performance audit report No. 3 of 2025-26 entitled <span style="font-style:italic;">Implementation of procurement reforms: Digital Transformation Agency and Department of Finance: Digital Transformation Agency; Department of Finance</span>.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Document made a parliamentary paper.</span>
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        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>2214</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">DOCUMENTS</span>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Presentation</title>
          <page.no>2214</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Presentation</span>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2214</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Butler, Mark Christopher MP</name>
              <name.id>HWK</name.id>
              <electorate>Hindmarsh</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWK" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr BUTLER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hindmarsh</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Disability and the National Disability Insurance Scheme, Minister for Health and Ageing and Deputy Leader of the House</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:31</span>):  Documents are tabled in accordance with the list circulated to honourable members earlier today. Full details of the documents will be recorded in the <span style="font-style:italic;">Votes and Proceedings</span>.</span>
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    <debate>
      <debateinfo>
        <title>MATTERS OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE</title>
        <page.no>2214</page.no>
        <type>MATTERS OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE</type>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">MATTERS OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE</span>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Telecommunications</title>
          <page.no>2214</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Telecommunications</span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2214</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
              <name.id>53517</name.id>
              <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="53517" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">The SPEAKER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Time">15:31</span>):  I have received letters from the honourable member for Macquarie and the honourable member for Lindsay proposing that definite matters of public importance be submitted to the House for discussion today. As required under standing order 46(d), if more than one matter is required for the same day, the Speaker shall select the matter to be read that day. It is my opinion that the one that is more urgent and important is the one prepared by the honourable member for Lindsay, namely:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">The Government's tragic failure to ensure the oversight of the vital triple zero ecosystem.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I call upon those honourable members who approve of the proposed discussion to rise in their places.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span style="font-style:italic;">
                  </span>
                  <span style="font-style:italic;">More than the number of members required by the standing orders having risen in their places—</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2214</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
              <name.id>281513</name.id>
              <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281513" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mrs McINTOSH</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lindsay</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:32</span>):  It is a tragic circumstance. We have to remember why we are even discussing this. Sadly, four people passed away during an Optus outage, and we are still seeking answers. If there were a gold star for confused tactics today, it would have gone to the Minister for Communications. She is still saying she didn't know about the outage until the Friday, although one of her answers may have suggested she did in fact know on Thursday, but we have an email that was revealed in Senate estimates that actually said her office did find out on the Thursday. Yet she still comes here and declares that we've got it wrong—her office doesn't have it wrong, the department doesn't have it wrong, ACMA, who is involved, doesn't have it wrong, and certainly she doesn't have it wrong.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">She also disclosed that she did hold a press conference on the Saturday and then left the country even though there was a crisis unfolding. And where did she go? She went to New York. Sounds great, doesn't it—the Big Apple. She said she delayed her flight, though. Thanks, Minister, for delaying your flight. You certainly delayed the action that was required to address this serious issue. She also seems a bit confused about whether she should apologise or not and says that she shouldn't meet with the families, because that would be disrespectful. In what world is it disrespectful for a government minister representing the Crown not to meet with families who have been devastated by such an outage, such a horrible circumstance, that no-one would want to happen in this country in 2025? The minister is lacking empathy—even the press gallery knows; it's no hidden secret—and she's lacking knowledge about the time that she received this notification.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">This goes back to 18 September, where there was an outage that impacted 600. Then four people died, and the Optus CEO got up and promised—and the Optus CEO should not get off free here—Australians that he would do everything in his power to hold his organisation to account and find out what went on. Then the minister got up and promised Australians that she would do the same, and then she appointed ACMA, the regulator. But ACMA is actually part of the problem because the emails also reveal that ACMA received notification of the outage on the Thursday but didn't alert the minister's office and the minister. So it's like no-one is talking. No-one can read an email. No-one can pick up the phone when there is a major outage that is impacting so many Australians.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">But this is not news. We could see the warning signs. This happened in 2023, when there were no deaths. There was a review, and there were 18 recommendations. We only found out yesterday that a custodian has been in place inside the department of communications since March this year. What was that custodian doing during the outage? What have they been doing during this time? Why didn't they prevent this from happening? Now we've been dragged in here to pass legislation quickly so they can do something in the future but couldn't do it this time. It just doesn't make sense.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We had about 24 hours to review really important legislation to save lives, even though the government has been sitting on this for a year and a half. Now it is urgent and we had to review it overnight. Yet the minister came in here and said that she couldn't review recommendations—there were about four of them—in 24 hours and that wasn't fair on us, so we should just pass on the bureaucracy. That is what it is. It is bureaucracy within a department overseeing another department. It is pretty much insane. We will do it in the interests of the Australian people, but we wanted to do it better, and we offered the government that today. We offered the government some strengthening of their legislation. All of us on this side came together. People contributed to this on our side because we care about Australians and we want to get this done.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We asked for a triple 0 register so the public can have transparency when outages occur. That's pretty fair enough. I think Australians are always shocked when there's an outage, but it happens more often than not. So a register makes sense. What did the government do? They said no. We asked for the triple 0 system to be put on the critical infrastructure list. We have water, energy and sewage. But when someone's wanting to call triple 0 in their time of greatest need it's not critical? The minister got up today and said: 'That is not important. Why are we even considering that it should be critical infrastructure?' So they said no to that too, and it seems okay that the reporting in their legislation is every six months. Well, something really bad has happened. People have died. We want it every three months and we want the outcomes to be made public.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Finally—and this was a doozy in question time—it's fair enough that Optus has its penalties increased; they've doubled, in fact. That's fair enough, when people have died. We want $20 million as a fine for each breach. That's fair enough, I think Australians would be calling for that too. But the minister came in here and said: 'What are they doing? We're passing a bill that says $10 million. It was from the beginning of September. You should be coming on board with this because we are already doing it.' This was before the catastrophic outage when four people died. These telcos should be held accountable. Obviously $10 million is not enough to stop this kind of thing happening. I think every Australian would be very happy with $20 million and they would expect it. They would expect us to be putting extra things in place to ensure we are doing anything we can do, pulling every lever we can pull, to make sure this never happens again. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">It's inexcusable that the government voted down these commonsense amendments. The minister walked away from our amendments. She's walked out of this chamber now. She's walking away from Australians in their time of greatest need. She also said no to a committee. It's fair enough that we have asked for a committee for the government, the opposition and crossbenchers to come together and examine this and, most importantly, invite Australians impacted by triple 0 outages to tell their stories. Isn't that what all of us are meant to do—represent our communities from right across Australia? The shadow minister for regional communications has been telling those stories about the regions and how much they're impacted. Those people should have a chance to tell their stories. We should be listening to them from the top of Australia to the bottom and from east to west. But no. The government does not want parliamentarians to hear about the struggles of Australians when they're trying to call triple 0. They don't want to hear from emergency services about what they're going through on the ground, and they said no to this too. Commonsense options from us are presented to the government, and the minister walks out the door. Maybe she's flying overseas again on another junket. When a crisis unfolds, it seems like her standard thing to do.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">It is really concerning that the minister walks away from Australians in their greatest time of need and that she places the blame purely on a company when the government, as a regulator, has a big job to do. She appoints ACMA, the regulator, as the investigator when they are part of the failed process. How can the regulator investigate themselves? What is going to be the outcome there? Where's the transparency?</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The minister is still saying, even though we have evidence from Senate estimates that her office was aware of an outage on the Thursday, that she knew nothing and that there were welfare checks made. How can you not follow up when you're being told that welfare checks are being made or think that that's not important? When she was asked again today, 'Have you called the families of the victims?' what did she say? 'It's not up to me to do that. That's not my job. It might make them feel uncomfortable. It is an extraordinary time. I'm a new minister. I don't know how to pick up the phone and call people in their greatest time of need.'</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">So many things went wrong over the last three weeks—firstly, Optus and the outage, where people couldn't make those very important calls. But it does not stop there. We have exposed major faults in our most essential telecommunications service. Every single Australian should be able to pick up a phone and call triple 0 in their greatest time of need. There is nothing more important for a government to do than to protect its citizens, and what this government and this minister are doing now is letting every single citizen down.</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2215</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Gorman, Patrick MP</name>
              <name.id>74519</name.id>
              <electorate>Perth</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="74519" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr GORMAN</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Perth</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister, Assistant Minister for the Public Service and Assistant Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:42</span>):  Every Australian relies on triple 0. This essential service is not one that any Australian ever wants to call, but every single one of those calls should be connected, every time. It is the most critical service of Australia's telecommunications system.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I know so many in this place have been in that situation, as I have, where you do have to call triple 0 because a loved one or just a fellow Australian citizen is in a time of need. I remember having to make that call to triple 0 for my young son, Leo, when he was having a horrible allergic reaction to some food. That's when we discovered that he had severe anaphylaxis. But we were so fortunate. That call was connected, paramedics arrived and he got the public health care that he needed. That is what every Australian should expect when they call our emergency services. It connects Australians to emergency health, fire and policing services. I think in this debate it is worth pausing for a moment to thank all of those who make those services work—the emergency communications officers who are there at the end of the phone line, the paramedics, the firefighters and the police officers. I want to say a big thank you to every Australian worker who is behind Australia's triple 0 service. They keep Australians safe. Every day, hundreds of Australians rely upon that service, which is saving lives, protecting livelihoods and maintaining social cohesion.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">That's why I share the Australian public's outrage at the conduct of Optus. Optus should be rightly criticised in this place. They have failed. Optus's failures resulted in a loss of life. It was completely unacceptable that they failed their customers in this way. Hundreds of calls were not connected, and it came after previous failures that severely eroded trust, including this parliament's trust, in Optus, because Optus failed to manage their network and they failed to comply with the law.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Now, for the benefit of the opposition, I want to read some of the quotes from the Chief Executive Officer of Optus. This is what the Chief Executive Officer of Optus, Stephen Rue, said:</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">On the first night of the upgrade, the steps taken on past successful upgrades of a similar nature were not followed.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">That's Optus admitting their failures. Further, the CEO went on to say:</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">This issue occurred because there was a deviation from established processes.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Again, that's Optus acknowledging that they had failed. And then, further, the CEO said this:</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">Regardless of where a process is conducted, the issue was that a process was not followed. And to be very clear, the accountability for that rests with Optus.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I think, if that's the CEO of Optus acknowledging the accountability rests with Optus, maybe those opposite could spend a little bit more time demanding proper accountability from the CEO of Optus and the providers of Optus.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I just sat through the remarks of the member for Lindsay, and I thought I'd just address some of the interesting contortions of fact that were in those remarks. Firstly, the member for Lindsay acknowledged that the minister gave a press conference on Saturday 20 September. It is very clear from the speech we saw from the member for Lindsay that she neither watched the press conference nor read the transcript of that press conference.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Then we had the member for Lindsay undermine ACMA, the Australian Communications and Media Authority. The member for Lindsay walked in here, in her MPI, and said ACMA was 'part of the problem'. Right now, ACMA is conducting an investigation into what went wrong. To have the member for Lindsay come in here and undermine the authority is a very interesting choice for the opposition leader to have allowed to be made. Then we had the member for Lindsay acknowledge that the custodian has in fact been in place since March. Again, you wouldn't know that from some of the remarks in the other parts of the speech from the member for Lindsay or the questions we've seen from those opposite.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Then, apparently, legislating to put further protections and further obligations onto the telecommunications companies wasn't good enough for the member for Lindsay. We saw the opposition in this chamber just a few minutes ago complaining that they had only had 24 hours to read the legislation. Either they want us to act on the first day of parliament since this failure from Optus—that was the choice that we made. That was the choice the government made. We came here in the first sitting of the parliament to act—to legislate. If that's not what the opposition want to do, they should just come out and say so.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">In fact, what the member for Lindsay said—I wrote down this quote and reflected on the idea that the government wanted to legislate within the first sitting day of parliament and that those opposite complained about only having had 24 hours to read the legislation. I've read the legislation. A number of people on this side have. If the member from Lindsay can't read it in 24 hours, that's interesting. She said that this requirement was 'pretty much insane'. I don't think that it is 'pretty much insane' for the government to want to strengthen accountability.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The member for Lindsay also—and credit to her on this—did acknowledge that, previously, the minister had already introduced legislation on penalties for telecommunications companies. I think it was an MPI speech that will not stand the test of time.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to reiterate. Every telecommunications provider has obligations. This week, the minister had those companies here in this parliament and outlined the existing legislative obligations on those companies, the basic human decency that every telecommunications customer should expect and our expectations as government that Optus, Telstra and TPG Telecom ensure their services are complying with current laws and ensure they are ready for the coming disaster season. But we're comfortable going further, and that's what these laws—which the shadow minister, the member for Lindsay, said were 'pretty much insane'—are about. As the minister said when introducing the bill:</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">… while telco outages may occur, the law is clear: carriers must always make sure that triple 0 calls still connect by being redirected to alternate mobile towers or infrastructure.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">I think it's clear everyone in this place wants accountability from Optus. That's what the Australian public want—for Optus to do their job. That's what the investigation by the Australian Communications and Media Authority—undermined by the member from Lindsay just now—is about, and it will look at Optus's compliance with emergency call service regulations and related rules. And, as ACMA has said, these are the same rules that ACMA found Optus breached in 2022 during a nationwide outage. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I think it's important to note in this debate that these regulations and rules already exist. There is the Telecommunications (Emergency Call Service) Determination 2019, is the Telecommunications (Customer Communications for Outages) Industry Standard 2024 and Industry Code C536: Emergency Call Service Requirements. They already exist. I outline that because it's important to note that this is about ensuring that things that Optus should have done but did not do are thoroughly investigated, even if those opposite seek to undermine this investigation, which I think is a very interesting choice to have made. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We learnt two things about the opposition today. First, we learnt from the opposition that they are determined to let Optus off the hook for Optus's failures. We are seeing excuse after excuse for Optus from those opposite. Second, we learnt from those opposite is that they are obsessed emails that have been in the public domain for weeks. We saw, in the final questions from the Leader of the Opposition, questions based on opinion not on quotes. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Again, I think even the opposition would agree that Optus should have told the government on Thursday afternoon. That did not occur. We also want to make sure that we enforce existing laws to telcos. Again, this is about making sure that the existing laws are enforced—something that those opposite are seeking to actively undermine. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Some of those opposite were here in May 2018. That's when an outage happened that affected some 4,000 calls. Did we see any legislative change from those opposite at that point? No. There was not a single legislative change when there was a failure on their watch in 2018. They had a choice, and they chose to do nothing. The Albanese government has a decidedly different approach. We on this side hold Optus to account, and I believe the opposition should start doing the same. </span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2217</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
              <name.id>281688</name.id>
              <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
              <party>NATS</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281688" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr WEBSTER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mallee</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:52</span>):  I note the comments made by the member for Perth. Of course, this is political. The fact is that it is sad the minister herself is not here to respond to this MPI. This is a serious issue. We take it seriously on this side. Our side is under no illusion that Optus has no responsibility. Clearly Optus is responsible. But the minister is where the buck stops, and that is our point. To continually walk away and point the finger at Optus and say, 'They're responsible, not me,' is absolutely unacceptable. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">There is nowhere for the minister to hide. The buck stops, however, with the minister not Optus, not the department and not her staff. We know how serious the outage was. Four people died—four Australians who are no longer with us due to this government's failings. That is a fact. Labor can point the finger at Optus, but, of course, it wasn't Optus's first outage; it was their second. The first, over 18 months ago, was investigated by Richard Bean, who produced a report with 18 recommendations. It was an outage that happened on this government's watch, yet, despite all of that, this negligent Albanese Labor government allowed another failure to happen on their watch.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Westminster tradition, one of the core foundations of this place, makes it very clear that the buck stops with the minister, yet ministerial accountability in the Albanese Labor government is about as strong as a regional mobile phone signal—flaky at best. We are talking today about arguably Australia's most trusted brand—the triple 0 telephone number. Australians rely on triple 0 to ensure that an ambulance, a fire engine or a police officer arrives to assist them as fast as possible. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Let's remember how thin the emergency services workforce is in regional Australia. Farmers, Indigenous Australians and residents of small rural towns live even further from an emergency service than metropolitan Australians do. Regional remoteness is exacerbated by the lack of a reliable mobile phone signal, or no signal at all.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">This government has been in office for more than three years, yet we do not have a fit-for-purpose universal service obligation for the 21st century. Telecommunications is an essential service and has been for some time—no different to potable water supply, sewerage and electricity. Without reliable telecommunications, people can get sick and can die, particularly in regional Australia. Yet, when I moved amendments to make regional telecommunications a specific focus of the new Triple Zero Custodian, Labor weren't interested. They expect regional Australians to trust the government to look out for their interests.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Regional Australians have plenty of reasons not to do that. Everywhere you look at the Labor brand, at federal and state levels—from the reckless renewables rollout to imposing new taxes in Victoria during a drought period, until they were shamed into giving farmers a one-year break—Labor cannot be trusted to look out for the interests of regional Australians. Regional Australians have seen centralisation and closure of local services under Labor governments, particularly in health services. Adding insult to injury, the same Labor governments that have undermined local emergency services have allowed, twice on their watch, the triple 0 service to fail. Regional Australians need reliable triple 0 service, as do all Australians. There is no debate or question about that. I am proud to be part of a coalition on this side of the House, with our colleagues in the Senate, applying the blowtorch of accountability to this government on its failings on the most essential of our essential services—triple 0.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Summer is coming in less than two months time, and in my electorate of Mallee the fire danger period tends to start by the end of October—just a couple of weeks from now. I urge the government to work with the opposition, to be transparent and accountable and to build confidence in triple 0 so we do not lose another Australian life.</span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2218</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Burnell, Matt MP</name>
              <name.id>300129</name.id>
              <electorate>Spence</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="300129" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr BURNELL</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Spence</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">15:57</span>):  Let me be absolutely clear. Optus has failed the Australian people. Optus is the reason we debated legislation today, and its failures are why we have expedited telecommunications reform. I will not be lectured by the moral grandstanding of those opposite in the chamber, trying to gain cheap political points while families are grieving—while a family in my own electorate is grieving. That loss has left a mark on our community and on me personally.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me be clear. This outage should never have happened, and it must never happen again. There is an unspoken understanding between Australians and their emergency services that, in their darkest hour of need, help will be only three numbers away. Optus, as one of Australia's largest telecommunications providers, had a clear legal and moral duty to ensure that emergency calls were carried through, regardless of commercial inconvenience. They failed, and Australians paid the price. Lives were lost, faith and trust were shattered, and communities were left to pick up the pieces.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The simple truth is that Australians expect more, and Australians deserve more. They expect accountability—real accountability, not corporate apologies after the fact by sheepish CEOs and not excuses in any capacity, but genuine responsibility by the heads of these corporations for the systems they control and have oversight of, and they are right to demand it.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">That is why legislation has been moved by the Minister for Communications as a matter of urgency. The establishment of a Triple Zero Custodian and the new powers given to the Australian Communications and Media Authority by the legislation are incredibly important for Australians. The custodian will oversee the performance of the triple 0 ecosystem, identify risks, coordinate responses and demand accountability, because when every second counts, we cannot afford a system faltering through confusion or delay. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Combined with this, ACMA will have the power to issue binding directions to carriers, carriage service providers and emergency call persons—no more waiting, no more chasing and no more voluntary briefings after the fact. ACMA will be able to demand to demand answers immediately and direct corrective action on the spot.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">These changes show that this is a government focused on positive change for Australians and a government determined to ensure that the failures of September 2025 are never repeated. These changes have mandated reporting and transparency, which is just the first step we're taking to ensure the public have confidence that their safety is being treated with the seriousness it deserves.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Every one of us in this chamber has a duty to the people we represent. For some that duty is about policy; for others it is about principle. But on this issue it's about people—people who trust us to ensure that the systems that protect them never fail, people who trust us to act not when it's convenient but when it's critical, and people who trust that, when they call for help, they will not be met with silence.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Triple 0 is more than a number. It is a promise between Australians and the services they need most. It is a promise that, no matter the hour, no matter the circumstance and no matter the location, help will be there. Optus has broken this promise to our constituents. Because of this, I stand firmly with the Minister for Communications in saying that Optus will be held to account. The trust of the Australian people is sacred, and it is our responsibility to restore this trust and then protect it with the legislation passed today. We're doing just that. We are taking those steps. We are saying with one voice that never again will a preventable outage take lives. We are saying that never again will Australians be isolated from emergency services in the time when they need them the most. We are saying that never again will silence stand between an Australian and the help they deserve.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We will continue to build a system worthy of the trust Australians place in it—one that is stronger, more transparent and unbreakable in the moments that matter most. The Australian government is standing up for Australians in all parts of the country and putting the work in to make sure that a telecommunications company like Optus never fails the triple 0 ecosystem ever again. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2219</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Kennedy, Simon MP</name>
              <name.id>267506</name.id>
              <electorate>Cook</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="267506" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr KENNEDY</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Cook</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:02</span>):  The member for Spence is partially right. Yes, Optus is at fault, but so is the government. Today, the member for Spence and the entire government voted against doubling the penalty on Optus. We proposed to double the penalty on Optus and any telco who puts lives at risk. Yet so keen was this government to deflect and to push politics that it voted against that amendment—against punishing Optus and against punishing future telcos. Shameful! They were so focused on blame deflection that they voted against making triple 0 critical infrastructure.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Yes, unfortunately, this is not about politics; this is about people. When people call triple 0, they expect someone to answer. They expect help. Unfortunately for 600 people who tried to call triple 0, no-one answered, and they could not get help. We know that, unfortunately, three of those people who called, or three people related to those people, died.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The sad thing about this outage is that it was preventable. We heard the member for Spence talk about the custodian. We heard about the great powers this custodian will have. Yes, they should have those powers. Unfortunately, a review was done 18 months ago that noted the need for this custodian and the need for the powers. We had the first speaker for the government say, 'We rushed this through in 24 hours.' Unfortunately, they knew about this 18 months ago, yet this custodian was being set up without the powers it needed. This should have been monitored 24/7. The second this went out, it should have been known to the government. The custodian should have known and should have been able to act. How did this go on for 14 hours, and why are we rushing it through? We're closing the gate after the horse has bolted. Now, what we're seeing here is a minister who is reactive not proactive, a government that's reactive not proactive and a government that's keen to play politics but very reluctant to get into policy.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Unfortunately, this is not the only area of this minister's portfolio where this is happening. People are also dying in other areas. On gambling reform, it's been 833 days since the Murphy report, which looked at the harms of online gambling. This minister is also responsible for this report and has failed to act. I have personally listened to family members in this parliament who've come here to tell stories about their loved ones who have killed themselves. I heard a sister and some parents read the suicide note of a young man who took his own life, unable to escape gambling ads and text messages—the guilt he had as they read through page after page of this young man's suicide note. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We heard this government say last term that they would act on it before Christmas. We're already up to another Christmas and we've got a minister here who again is refusing to act, who is being reactive not proactive and who is playing politics instead of addressing policy. Enough is enough. Australians deserve a government that takes responsibility. Australia deserves a government that will take responsibility for triple 0. Australians deserve to be able to trust their government. But we have a minister missing in action. The minister is missing from this MPI today. I would like to think, if this were any other person's portfolio, they would sit through it. They would sit through the shadow minister's speech to hear what they had to say. But she's missing in action. She's missing from the debate on triple 0. She's missing from the Murphy review. This is a minister who has no answers at all and is just playing politics.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Honourable members interjecting</span>—</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="267506" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr KENNEDY:</span>
                  </a>  I'll take the laughter over there. I'll take the laughter when they've been sitting on a report for 18 months and done nothing. They've been sitting on the Murphy report for 833 days, and they have the gall to laugh. Well, Australia doesn't want jokes; it wants action. Enough is enough.</span>
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                <page.no>2219</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Kennedy, Simon MP</name>
                <name.id>267506</name.id>
                <electorate>Cook</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2219</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Miller-Frost, Louise MP</name>
              <name.id>296272</name.id>
              <electorate>Boothby</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="296272" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms MILLER-FROST</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Boothby</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:07</span>):  Coming to this place in 2022, one of the things I've been most surprised about, perhaps naively, is the level to which people in this chamber see it as appropriate to play politics with the tragedies of others. I think it's something that makes the general public think less of us as politicians—that, even in the case of a tragedy, instead of focusing on addressing the issues and ensuring it doesn't happen again and instead of working together for the betterment of the community and the country, some in this chamber seek to make personal gain, to point score and to undermine. We've certainly seen that this week and now here again. </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">The Optus triple 0 failure, for over 600 Australians, was a catastrophe. For at least three individuals, their families and their friends, it was literally life or death. In this country, we expect that, when Australians dial triple 0 in an emergency, they can rely on the call being answered. We are privileged. This is one of those expectations we don't even think about, until it doesn't happen. Australians are unfortunately very aware of the recent failures of the Optus services with regard to the triple 0 function, and it just isn't good enough. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Reliable telecommunications are an important part of modern life, and, for the companies involved, a very profitable enterprise. In 2025, Optus's earnings before interest and tax were $446 million, an increase of 55 per cent on the previous year. Their earnings before interest tax depreciation and amortisation rose by 5.7 per cent in the same year to $2.2 billion. With that level of profit, it's not too much to require them to abide by their legal requirements to provide a reliable essential service to their customers. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">It's quite simple. Australian citizens in distress have a reasonable expectation to have access to emergency help. They dial triple 0. That call is answered—police, fire or ambulance. There's no room for ambiguity, delay or failure. That is a social contract telecommunications companies providing these services on a profitable basis have with every customer. The existing regulations require telecommunications carriers and carriage service providers to ensure that emergency calls are successfully carried to the emergency call service at all times. Thanks to changes implemented under this government, telcos are legally required to inform the government of any failures. Under those opposite, when they were in government, there was no requirement for telcos to advise of breaches.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Less than a month ago, approximately 600 emergency calls in South Australia, Western Australia and the Northern Territory using the Optus network failed to connect. We're aware of at least three deaths associated with the outage in South Australia and Western Australia. As we debated the bill earlier today, it is their deaths, possibly avoidable—we may never know—that should be foremost in our minds. But, on top of that, around 600 more people tried to call triple 0 and were not able to get through. And you can only imagine the sense of rising panic when people, in their worst time, try to call for assistance and don't get through. Most people don't call triple 0 lightly. It is the last resort. When it fails, when you can't get help, it's hard to know what to do next. You're on your own in a situation that is your worst fear. Investigations are ongoing via the communications watchdog, the Australian Communications and Media Authority, and we keenly await their results. We understand anecdotally that it was only when the South Australian ambulance service contacted Optus to report a significant drop-off in triple 0 calls compared to their normal call load that Optus recognised there was a problem and acted to resolve the issue.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">There is no doubt the fault lies with Optus. It was their system that failed. Either there was either no backup or checking, or that system failed as well. Sadly, this is just the latest in a series of issues Australians have had with Optus, including a major data breach in 2022, a national outage in 2023 that impacted internet, fixed line and mobile services, including EFTPOS, for more than 10 million Australian customers and businesses for more than 16 hours, and now this. These failures are of Optus and Optus alone. They must do better, and they should not be let off the hook for it. It really wasn't good enough, and Australian citizens paid the price for the failure. While the government awaits the findings of this investigation, I recognise the minister introduced the bill, which was passed earlier today.</span>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2220</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Violi, Aaron MP</name>
              <name.id>300147</name.id>
              <electorate>Casey</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="300147" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr VIOLI</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Casey</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Opposition Chief Whip</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:12</span>):  I understand that those opposite have drawn the short straw and have to try and defend the indefensible because the Minister for Communications is missing, but let's make two things quite clear. When three Australians pass away, possibly four, and 600 Australians make that call that nobody wants to make to triple 0 to get the help that they need, when we call out the failings of the Minister for Communications, who is responsible for communications in this country, it is not playing politics. It is called accountability. If you are prepared to put your hand up to be the Minister for Communications in this country, you need to be prepared to take responsibility for the triple 0 emergency system. That is your responsibility. That is your job. Everyone in this House, including the government, backbenchers and ministers, knows this, and, unfortunately for those opposite, they have to run a protection line for a minister who is not up to the job.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">They are rightly saying that Optus are at fault. Absolutely, Optus are to blame for this situation, and Optus should be held to account. We should do everything possible to hold Optus to account. In fact, this morning, the coalition, seeking to work in a bipartisan way, put an amendment to this legislation that was very simple and very clear. It sought to double the penalty to Optus from $10 million to $20 million—a very simple amendment. Every person on the opposite side that will stand to speak, every member of this government, made a conscious decision to vote against that amendment and look after Optus. They need to defend that decision to their communities, and they need to defend that decision to those families who lost loved ones and those families that called triple 0 and had it not pick up. They made a conscious choice to protect Optus over the Australian people. So we will not be lectured to about the accountability of Optus. Optus are absolutely accountable. We sought to hold them to account, and this government did not want to work with us in that way.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">As I've said, the Minister for Communications is responsible for communications in this country. This minister is so out of her depth. After five months in the portfolio since sitting on the government benches since 2022, she claims that she is a new minister and not able to do her job correctly. We sought to help that minister. We sought to move another amendment to make sure that the triple 0 network was defined as a critical infrastructure and an asset of national significance. That's a very simple amendment. You would think everyone would agree, after listening to the member for Boothby, the member for Spence and the minister about how important the triple 0 network is, that it would be critical infrastructure and an asset of national significance. But no—according to the government and those opposite, it is not, because they made the decision to vote against an amendment to make it critical infrastructure and an asset of national significance.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">As we come into the bushfire season in my community, disasters are a fact of life. My community will be interested to know that the government doesn't think that it's critical infrastructure and an asset of national significance to be able to call the CFA if there's a bushfire in my community. The coalition knows it is. Again, those opposite will have to go back to their communities. I look forward to those opposite that represent regional and rural communities explaining to their communities how it's not critical infrastructure to be able to call triple 0 to alert the CFA of a fire or to call an ambulance service when your family needs it. They are the facts about what this government decided to do. They are so afraid of scrutiny and the minister is so out of her depth that those opposite voted against an independent committee to make sure that triple 0 would work, that the telcos would be held to account, that ACMA would be held to account and that the minister will be held to account. The minister knows they failed. That's why they voted against an independent committee, and it is a shame and a disgrace— <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2221</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Cook, Trish MP</name>
              <name.id>312871</name.id>
              <electorate>Bullwinkel</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          <talk.text>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="312871" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms TRISH COOK</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bullwinkel</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:17</span>):  I rise to speak to the triple 0 legislation that we have passed today in this House. This bill is about the most fundamental promise a government can make—that when you are in peril and you reach out for help, your call will get through. As a remote-area nurse and member for Bullwinkel, a bushfire-prone area, I know the value of triple 0 all too well. In 2014, my communities in my electorate of the Perth Hills were devastated by the Parkerville-Stoneville-Mount Helena fire—a fire that, before it was extinguished, tore through the community, destroying 57 homes and scarring the landscape and the people for years to come. At that time or phones were everything, as they are in times of reporting any fire activity or other emergencies. Our phones are the one thread that we cling to. To imagine that thread being cut is to imagine the unimaginable.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">That terror became a reality for 631 Australians during the Optus outage a few weeks ago. It was a catastrophic failure of a private company to meet its most basic social obligation, and it's completely unacceptable. The Albanese Labor government acted swiftly. We acted decisively, and, unlike those in the opposition, our priority is protecting Australians, not protecting corporate interests. And let's be clear about what we're seeing from the opposition. They seem hell-bent on letting Optus off the hook and wasting parliament's time, waving around old emails to manufacture a political scandal. But the record is clear—this outage was the fault of Optus and Optus alone, and they will be held accountable for the 631 calls that went unanswered and, sadly, the three or four deaths which resulted. But their failure has exposed a deeper problem—a decade of neglect under the previous government. The warning signs were flashing for years. In May 2018, under the coalition, there was an outage affecting 4,000 calls, and what was their response? Nothing. No laws were changed. No custodian was created.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We cannot hope to do things; we need to act. Our government is cleaning up that decade of neglect, and this bill today is the product of our swift action. It is our government's answer to the question 'Who is watching out for Australians?' This bill ensures that a triple 0 custodian, a guardian of this sacred service, is enshrined in law, not just policy. It gives our communications watchdog, ACMA, the teeth it needs to hold massive corporations to account. The bill gives our government the power to step in during a crisis to demand answers and to direct action. Because of the swift action of this government, this bill turns policy into legislation, into certainty, and it's our promise that the lifeline of triple 0 will be available when needed.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I take this opportunity to thank all the workers who man the triple 0 calls, including my next-door neighbour, Amanda. It can be a very stressful job, and they play a crucial role in saving lives on a daily, if not hourly, basis.</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2221</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Venning, Tom MP</name>
              <name.id>315434</name.id>
              <electorate>Grey</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="315434" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr VENNING</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Grey</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:21</span>):  'Before anything else, preparation is the key to success.' Those words from Alexander Graham Bell, the inventor of the telephone, carry profound weight today. They remind us that the most essential systems must be ready for anything. I rise to speak about the tragic failure of preparation, the collapse of our nation's most fundamental lifeline, triple 0. This is not a technical glitch; it is an issue of profound importance that jeopardises the lives of constituents across regional South Australia. Sadly, that's nothing new under Labor.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The Optus outage was a catastrophic day for all Australians, but, for those living in the country, in remote areas and in the outback, this failure cuts even deeper. The triple 0 network isn't a regular service; it's our only reliable path to emergency help. The network collapse was not brief. It lasted for over 12 hours, during which a staggering 600 calls failed to connect. We know the cost—three deaths, maybe four, including an eight-week-old baby in Gawler in my home state. Think about that moment of crisis—people cut off from health, forced to scramble, find a neighbour on a different network or desperately search for a landline. Before anything else, preparation is the key to success. Alexander Graham Bell was on to something.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">As a resident of the northern Yorke Peninsula, I have unique insight into what this borderline-doomsday situation looks like. Earlier this year, the power went out for 24 hours, cutting phone lines, cutting internet and placing essential services into chaos. Only those with generators were able to survive. People were helpless as cell services ran dry. Cars were running out of fuel. Hospitals were on edge. Critical care was on life support. I have it on good authority that, during that 24-hour period, residents were only a matter of minutes away from the full failure of the sewage system in Kadina, Wallaroo and Moonta. But it was the lack of communications that made it all so hard. Unless you have lived it, you really don't know what it feels like to be truly helpless in 2025. It is dystopian.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Broadly, phone service has been significantly reduced in regional SA since Labor came to government. The coalition, on the other hand, has had a strong track record of delivering real solutions to improve regional telecommunications, particularly through initiatives like the Mobile Black Spot Program. Under Rowan Ramsey's tenure in my electorate of Grey, this program delivered 57 mobile phone towers, many on the Yorke Peninsula. In contrast, Labor scrapped the program and have delivered zero new towers—not triple 0, zero. Where was the government's watchdog then? ACMA was asleep at the wheel. The Minister for Communications was not informed of this crisis until a staggering 24 hours later. This is a spectacular failure of departmental and regulatory processes under this minister's watch. Then where was the minister? Having sleepless nights—I don't doubt that. She was, after all, in a city that never sleeps, old New York. And who did this minister appoint to lead this critical investigation? ACMA, the Australian Communications and Media Authority. It's like letting school students mark their own homework. You won't ever get good answers. ACMA was an integral part of a regulatory and oversight process that clearly failed.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">If the minister were truly serious about transparency and fixing this life-saving system, she would do what is right—she would commission a full and thorough independent review of the entire triple 0 ecosystem. Nothing less is warranted. We need an external, impartial body with the authority to delve into every corner, every protocol and every point of failure. Only then can we truly understand the full scope of the issues that need to be addressed in the system and, most importantly, ensure that no-one else loses their life.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We are now approaching bushfire season in my electorate. We need a system that is fully functional, with adequate fail-safes, now. For regional communities, who already grapple with less robust infrastructure, triple 0 not working is a death sentence. The Albanese government needs to stop its shambolic response, get its priorities straight and deliver a triple 0 system that works for all Australians, particularly those in regional and remote communities such as the ones I represent.</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2222</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Byrnes, Alison MP</name>
              <name.id>299145</name.id>
              <electorate>Cunningham</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="299145" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms BYRNES</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Cunningham</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:26</span>):  Our triple 0 system is an Australian staple and one that all of us have come to rely upon as a given, to be there when we need it. It's well known, it's trusted and it's essential. That's because the triple 0 system saves lives, and that is why it is completely unacceptable to see that system fail during an outage of a telecommunications provider. This simply should not ever happen, and our government has been working hard to make sure that it doesn't.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">During the first Optus outage in September, 631 calls could not connect to triple 0, and this cost lives. That is completely devastating, and my heart goes out to those families who tragically lost a loved one. It should not have happened, and it is reprehensible. Then, just 10 days later, came another outage in my region. Nine calls to triple 0 did not go through thanks to the Optus outage in Dapto on 28 September, which was caused by an issue with an Optus mobile phone tower. We were lucky that there do not appear to have been any adverse outcomes for those callers, but that is by pure luck and chance, and we know how easily that can go the other way. One person, I understand, was forced to use someone else's phone to call for an ambulance, so clearly there were other services that could have filled that gap, and that is the law. If an outage occurs, emergency calls must be redirected to alternative mobile towers. That is the responsibility of all telcos in Australia. So why weren't they?</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Already our government has directed the Australian Communications and Media Authority to investigate what happened to cause these failures. These were Optus's failures, and they are unacceptable. Every telco has a responsibility to ensure that Australians can connect to emergency services when they need to. Optus failed, and we will not only find out why but also hold them to account. The minister has been very clear that there will be consequences, and so there should be.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">In the meantime, we have taken action to ensure that this can't happen again. We've introduced the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Triple Zero Custodian and Emergency Calling Powers) Bill 2025. This critical bill will immediately strengthen government oversight of the triple 0 system. It enshrines the Triple Zero Custodian framework into law and gives ACMA powers to act quickly and decisively. It also gives government the ability to step in during outages.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">As the minister has said, we have announced six key points to make sure the triple 0 system is as resilient and safe as it can be. We've introduced that legislation. We're introducing real-time reporting of outages to ACMA and to emergency services so that everyone can know when these outages are happening and take steps to address them straightaway.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Telcos will also now be required to test triple 0 during upgrades and maintenance, and there will be new requirements to fully ensure that triple 0 calls will go through to another network—something the law already requires. We will make sure they meet it. Additionally, there will now be mandatory improvement plans after triple 0 outages, and the new custodian will issue additional performance requirements to telcos, through ACMA, within six months of these new laws. This is decisive action. This is tough action. This will make sure that Australians can be confident that triple 0 will be there for them when they need it.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Minister Wells has worked hard on this. She has worked fast on this. Our government is taking the action that we need to right now. Under these laws, ACMA will have new statutory powers to issue binding directions to carriers, carriage service providers and emergency call persons. It will be able to mandate specific actions and it will ensure that all stakeholders are informed as soon as possible to ensure a coordinated response.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I reiterate that this is a failing of Optus. The law already required that triple 0 calls not fail, and Optus has let our community down. Under the new laws, telcos will face significant consequences—as they should—if they don't act as they must, if they don't provide the information that they must during an outage. We take this seriously, and this new bill demonstrates that. I would encourage those opposite to stop playing political games and get on board with what our government has done. Fast, strong and effective action to protect all Australians. That's what we will continue to do because that's what all Australians deserve.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="F2S" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                  </a>
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                  <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Scrymgour</span>
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  The discussion is now concluded.</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2223</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Scrymgour, Marion MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>F2S</name.id>
                <electorate>Lingiari</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>2223</page.no>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">BILLS</span>
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          <title>Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2223</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025</span>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2223</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Consideration resumed of the motion:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">to which the following amendment was moved:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">That all words after "That" be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">"whilst not declining to give the bill a second reading, the House notes that:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">(1) the bill seeks to extend two successful Coalition policies; </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">(2) the Government's policies have seen energy prices increase by $1,300 more than promised and is now extending Coalition policy to ensure energy prices don't increase even further; </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">(3) the Government has only reluctantly decided to support business by extending the instant asset write-off under pressure from the Coalition ahead of the last election; </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(4) this Bill seeks to provide less frequent assessments of ASIC and APRA; </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(5) thousands of Australians have lost over $1 billion in superannuation due to alleged misconduct by First Guardian and Shield; </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(6) ASIC has been accused of major failures in responding to this crisis which the Government has been silent about; </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(7) the Government must explain to the thousands of victims why it is seeking to reduce accountability and transparency for ASIC at this time; and</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(8) this bill seeks to clean up a range of the Government's mistakes including the application of GST to disability services"</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">to which the following amendment was moved:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">That all words after "House" be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(1) notes that the bill continues the practice of legislating the instant asset write-off measure annually, which creates uncertainty and discourages investment at a time when many small businesses are already struggling; and</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(2) calls on the Government to do more to support small businesses, including:</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(a) making the instant asset write-off permanent; and</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Small">(b) adopting a $20,000 tax-free threshold for small business operators with annual turnover of less than $10 million, as proposed by the member for Mackellar".</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2223</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Steggall, Zali MP</name>
                <name.id>175696</name.id>
                <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="175696" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms STEGGALL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Warringah</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:32</span>):  In respect of the Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025, there is a particular schedule that I want to focus on, and that is schedule 7. Schedule 7 extends the 20,000 instant asset write-off for small businesses to June 2026. What we are seeing, again, is this eking out, this drip feeding to small business the support they so desperately need year to year to year, rather than finally making this permanent. Rather than giving small business some certainty so that they can manage their cash flow and their commitments knowing that something has been legislated, what we've seen, during the last term of government and this term, is this constant uncertainty. I support the member for Mackellar's call in how we can help small business by having a 20 per cent tax-free threshold for small business and to make the instant asset write-off permanent, and I will come to that in a moment.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The instant asset write-off extension is welcome, but, again, it is too low, and the government needs to provide certainty by ensuring that it be permanent. I will be introducing an amendment during consideration in detail, before the third reading, to make it permanent. I'd also like it extended to a level that actually reflects the needs of small businesses, that makes it meaningful in assisting them with their investment within their small businesses and their assets. We need to also ensure we are incentivising small businesses to become more effective and efficient, to reduce waste. Requiring energy efficiency and waste reduction in small business is an important part of this puzzle.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know small businesses are the lifeblood of so many communities, and Warringah is the same. Recently, I've had the pleasure of meeting with local small businesses across Manly to discuss the staffing and other regulatory changes they are facing. Our local businesses are facing the perfect storm, grappling with higher costs, tight margins and slowing consumer demand alongside an inability to find workers to fill key roles. Whether it's a chef, waitress, landscaper, childcare worker or bus driver, across so many industries, businesses are struggling. The growing shortage of skilled workers is hurting our local businesses' ability to grow and serve the community. This is not just being felt in Warringah. It's being felt all across Australia but more acutely in regional communities, where small businesses drive local economies and the pool of available labour is even smaller. So you would think that they would come in this place or before the media and champion support for more skilled immigration and more workers to come in and support small businesses, but no. In fact, it's quite the opposite. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">What small businesses have raised with me are concerns around the complexity and cost of the current visa process, the complexity of the tax systems for small businesses and the burden of successive legislation that's been passed by the Albanese government. Our skilled worker visas can take up to eight months to process, which is far too long for a small business trying to meet immediate demand and fill a role. Local operators have shared their concerns as well, with the GST threshold remaining at $75,000 for small businesses since 2007 without indexation, which has added extra burden as costs continues to rise. That compliance cost is something that small businesses continually raise. So, whilst this amendment to try and make this instant asset write-off again for one year is good, the government seems to be completely deaf to the concerns small businesses have and their continued challenge when it comes to meeting the administrative burden but also the additional cost. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We want to have a strong, ambitious and productive economy. We've heard a lot from the government and the Treasurer about that, but we're not hearing a lot about how to help small businesses achieve that. We need companies to be able to invest and innovate—companies of all sizes—but too often the ear of government is only for big business. They have that scale and ability to deal that small and medium businesses do not. So it was disappointing there wasn't a bigger focus in the Treasurer's productivity roundtable on how we're going to support small and medium businesses to innovate and invest. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I would say, respectfully, that the instant asset write-off levelled at $20,000 is just not going do it. It doesn't cut it. All that does is allow for the write-off of a small investment in an asset for a small business. It doesn't really allow a business to invest in better technology, significant sustainability or waste management, or innovation within a business. So what we need is that certainty and an instant asset write-off that is scalable to the challenge and costs that small businesses are incurring. If we want a strong, ambitious and productive economy where companies and small businesses are encouraged to invest and innovate, then we need to provide certainty, fairness and a regulatory framework that assists us, not shifting goalposts. </span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2224</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Aly, Anne MP</name>
                <name.id>13050</name.id>
                <electorate>Cowan</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="13050" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr ALY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Cowan</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Small Business, Minister for International Development and Minister for Multicultural Affairs</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:38</span>):  I rise in support of the Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025. Whilst I support the bill in its entirety, it would be natural for me to focus on a part that is particularly important to my portfolio of small business, which is schedule 7. Schedule 7 extends the $20,000 instant asset write-off until 30 June 2026 for eligible businesses. What this measure does is make a real difference to 2.6 million small businesses in Australia. That includes 1.5 million small businesses that are sole traders and who are also benefitting and have also benefitted from our government's tax cuts.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As everyone in here knows—because I hear it head said often enough that people support small business in this House—small business owners are out there every day, and they're working hard. They're working hard to fulfil their dreams. They are your Indian grocer. They are the place you go to to get your eyebrows threaded. They are where you get your Vietnamese pancakes. They are the translators and interpreters who operate with an ABN. They fix your cars. They cut your hair. They cater your birthday parties. They resole your shoes. They help you with your tax returns. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">An example of a small business is My Aunt's Handmade Noodles, which I visited the other day with the member for Reid and the local mayor in her electorate. This is a family owned business, run by a formidable mother and daughter duo, and they craft these handmade noodles using time honoured techniques. The passion and care that My Aunt's Handmade Noodles brings to each and every bowl of these perfectly chewy and flavoured noodles is a level of dedication that I see in the small businesses that I visit and that I meet with right across the country.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese government is backing small businesses just like My Aunt's Handmade Noodles to ensure that they have the support that they need to thrive, because we know that not only are they building a better life for themselves and for their families, but they are also building a better future for Australia. They employ locals. They train apprentices. They give young people jobs, and they keep regional communities alive. They sponsor local sports clubs, and they donate to school raffles as well. They are not just the engine room of the economy, as is often said; they are also often the beating hearts of communities. That's why our government developed Australia's very first National Small Business Strategy.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">You would think that an intimate understanding of small business would necessitate a strategy that brings together all levels of government to look at how we can collectively support small businesses to grow and to thrive. You would think that this is something that would have been done a very long time ago, but, in fact, this was done by this government, the very first National Small Business Strategy, bringing together different levels of government and focusing on three key areas: levelling the playing field for small businesses, easing the pressure on small businesses and supporting small businesses to grow.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The extension of the instant asset write-off is a really key part of our commitment under this national strategy. What it means is that small businesses with an aggregate annual turnover of less than $10 million will continue to be able to immediately deduct eligible assets costing less than $20,000. That's $20,000 per asset, not just once but right across the business. Let's have a look at what that means. What that means is that restaurants, cafes, grocers, hairdressers, tradies, accountants and small retailers can actually start to buy the equipment that they need today to keep their businesses going today and into tomorrow. No matter where I go, when I speak to small businesses, the one thing that constantly comes up is how important the instant asset write-off is in helping them grow and modernise and the extension of the instant asset write-off, giving these businesses the confidence to plan, to budget and to invest as well.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">For small businesses looking to grow, the instant asset write-off frees up cash flow so that they can purchase new equipment that allows them to expand their operations or open new locations. At a recent roundtable that I attended in the member for Swan's electorate, in Belmont, a group of small businesses there told me that managing cash flow was one of their biggest daily challenges. Really, that makes sense, doesn't it?</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="243609" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Giles:</span>
                    </a>  It does.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="13050" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Dr ALY:</span>
                    </a>  It certainly does. They also told me that the instant asset write-off and the extension of the write-off helps them to manage those challenges of daily cash flow. An example is the Indian grocer who buys a freezer so that their business can not just expand but also diversify and start selling naan breads that people can take home and cook at home. If anyone has not tried them yet, I highly recommend them. For small businesses needing to repair or replace items in order to continue to operate safely or efficiently, the write-off allows them to claim the full deduction immediately. That then eases the financial pressure to maintain day-to-day operations—for example, you might have a small manufacturer replace some machinery in order to avoid production stoppages. For small businesses wanting or needing to modernise, the ability to upgrade technology or equipment can improve efficiency, reduce costs and indeed enhance competitiveness.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">For startups and new small businesses, the write-off provides immediate financial relief, helping new businesses invest without having to build up profits. An example would be a startup online retailer buying storage equipment or a young photographer who is embarking on a career as a sole trader going out and buying a new professional camera and lens. The expansion of the write-offs gives them the ability to buy what they need today. The items might be small in nature, but, when we look at small businesses, the diversity of small businesses, the breadth of small businesses and the fact that a large number of small businesses are indeed sole traders who do not operate from a physical premises, the instant asset write-off—though it can provide for small items—can actually make a humungous difference to these small businesses. And I don't think we should be dismissing the impact that the instant asset write-off has for the small businesses that, often, we don't think about.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm going to be very honest here and say that we don't think about our translators and interpreters as small businesses, yet they operate with ABNs. We don't think about those small businesses for whom a relatively small piece of equipment is actually essential to them being able to establish their business, start up their business, grow their business or continue their business. For that reason, this measure supports fairness, because big corporations can more easily absorb shocks. They can more easily access finance and they can more easily take advantage of complex depreciation systems. Small businesses don't necessarily have that luxury. They don't have the luxury of being able to wait years to recover a cost through depreciation. They don't have big reserves to dip into when something breaks or needs repair or replacement.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The instant asset write-off lets small businesses reinvest, employ people and expand and in their local communities. It's the difference between putting off an upgrade and improving businesses today. And I know, from speaking to business owners right across Australia, that this is one of the most impactful ways that we can back small businesses and help them through. But I also know that this doesn't fix every problem for every small business and that there is more to do.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Another issue I hear about among small businesses wherever I go is about red tape. I know red tape is a bit of a motherhood statement, so I've charged the small businesses that I meet with to actually give me some examples of what red tape means. Inevitably and consistently, what small businesses come back to me with is that red tape is a kind of shorthand for the fact that small businesses have to navigate three levels of government, often all at once. It can be confusing. It can be time-consuming. Sometimes they have to apply more than once or more than twice for permits and so forth. That's what I'm hearing from small businesses everywhere, and that's something that we want to tackle as well. The National Small Business Strategy outlines how governments will work together. That is the key here—governments working together to support small businesses by removing some of the complexities, making it easier for them to operate and creating environments in which they can operate and therefore thrive.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We are working with state governments to basically cut the clutter for small businesses—actively working and looking together for ways to reduce or eliminate this red tape or these layers and layers of compliance, without reducing or impacting quality. It's a big job and it is ongoing, but the enthusiasm of all the ministers from the different jurisdictions is inspiring. I would like to thank them and commend them for their passion for supporting small businesses in line with the federal government's passion for supporting small businesses. We are also working to level the playing field for small businesses, ensuring that the power imbalances that they face when dealing with larger businesses are addressed, recognising that they often lack market power as well, and increasing the pressure on large businesses with poor payment practices by highlighting the best and worst payment performers and strengthening communication challenges to promote prompt payment as an environment, social and governance obligation. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In closing—small business is big business. That's what it is. There are over two million small businesses around Australia. They employ over five million Australians, and 1.5 million of those are sole traders. If we don't back in small businesses, it means that we're also not backing in communities. It also means that we're not backing in economies where small businesses form the backbone. We understand that small business is at the heart of community and that small business isn't just about the economy; it's about the people who run small businesses every day, the people who dedicate their blood, sweat and tears to growing a business not for themselves but as a legacy, often for their families, and so that they can contribute. We recognise, I might add, as Minister for Multicultural Affairs as well, that over 30 per cent of small businesses are started by migrants. In my state of Western Australia 40 per cent of small businesses are started by migrants. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In extending the $20,000 instant asset write-off, we're not just supporting businesses but also backing people—people who take risks, people who work long hours and people who keep local economies alive. Labor will always stand with them because we know and understand that every piece of equipment, every tool and every shopfront opened represents something bigger. It represents confidence and the chance to build a better future. That's what this measure delivers, and that's what this government delivers. </span>
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2225</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Giles, Andrew MP</name>
                  <name.id>243609</name.id>
                  <electorate>Scullin</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
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                <talker>
                  <page.no>2225</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Aly, Anne MP</name>
                  <name.id>13050</name.id>
                  <electorate>Cowan</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2226</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Spender, Allegra MP</name>
                <name.id>286042</name.id>
                <electorate>Wentworth</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="286042" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms SPENDER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Wentworth</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:53</span>):  I rise to speak on Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025, which on balance I believe introduces some broadly sensible measures. However, I will not speak to all those measures today. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 1 of this legislation brings cash settled equity derivatives under the beneficial ownership disclosure legislation, acknowledging that alternative financial products can have similar effects on owning assets. While this change will create some additional compliance requirements for holders of derivatives, I believe it is broadly consistent with greater transparency in Australia's financial market and is broadly supported. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 3 changes the reporting period of the Financial Regulator Assessment Authority from two years to five years. This measure does raise some concerns for me, as the FRAA was only established in 2021 and has delivered only one report for each regulator in 2022 and 2023. I understand that frequent reporting and analysis provides limited time to implement changes prior to another assessment. However, I am concerned that five years may be too far in the other direction, without sufficient data points to indicate that the difficulties with this reporting regularity outweigh the reduction in regulator accountability. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is because I do have some concerns about the performance and effectiveness of regulators. I repeatedly hear from members of the business community and my electorate that regulators are not always meeting their requirements and responsibilities. In some cases, they are taking months or years to respond to cases and using workarounds, such as requests for additional information, to reset the clock to meet their reporting requirements. As one executive said to me, regulators have no natural predators, and, if the government is not able to hold them accountable for their effectiveness, there is a significant chance that they are causing damage by poor standards of support for the business community. This change in the legislation will put a greater onus on other parliamentary mechanisms of accountability, such as the committees' reviews of regulators, to ensure that the regulators are held to account.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Finally, I'd like to speak mainly to schedule 7, which extends the instant asset write-off of $20,000 for another financial year. Here we are again. Since I've come into this parliament, we have passed this instant asset write-off measure three times now, coinciding with each financial year since 2023. We have come to expect this amendment each year, yet we refuse to make it permanent. Despite the regularity with which this measure is passed, businesses still can't rely on it, because it is politicised, weaponised, senselessly debated, thrown in with other controversial measures and held up for months in this parliament until the government finally relents.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In the financial year 2024-25, we passed this measure on the final sitting day of the financial year. So let's think of the timing here and what that means. This instant asset write-off is meant to incentivise businesses to invest, but the legislation for this incentive passed on the last sitting day of that financial year, which from memory was back in April—a mere couple of months before the end of that financial year. So for most businesses over the previous 10 months this had provided no incentive to make that investment, because of that uncertainty—or, on the other side, businesses had actually made some purchases, having listened to the government make an announcement about this instant asset write-off, without really being aware that it hadn't actually passed through the parliament, so they were undertaking an enormous amount of risk in their own business.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This really makes no sense. People are caught between two stools. In 2025, it was the last sitting day of the financial year. In the last term, this happened only because the crossbench put significant pressure on the government and the opposition to come to the party and pass the legislation, because it wasn't on the agenda, and we were coming literally to the last two days of the sitting calendar. The Senate was about to rise, and the legislation was just not going to go through. Again, there would have been an election. Again, we don't know what would have happened. Australian small businesses would have been left in the lurch. Businesses just can't make decisions under these conditions. It's just not fair. As such, numerous small businesses and tax groups have called on the government to make this policy permanent, or at the very least make it more permanent, so that small businesses can plan ahead and have more confidence in the scheme. If we agree in this House, as I believe we do, that the measure is worthwhile, let's deliver the certainty that businesses need to invest.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One question is really: is it because there are not more interesting or innovative policies that the government could announce to support small businesses that they just have to roll this out every single year? If that is the case—if they don't have ideas on how to support small businesses—I'm happy to share a couple of ideas that I and others on the crossbench have put forward.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The first is to increase the threshold for the definition of a small business in the Fair Work Act from 15 to at least 25 people. Let me tell you why. The past five years have been tough on small businesses. COVID-19 lockdowns, followed by high inflation and high interest rates, eviscerated consumer demand. We are only now seeing some relief from this, five years on. Furthermore, the government has made, in my opinion, some retrograde choices on industrial relations legislation that have increased the complexity and created disincentives for small businesses to hire employees and expand their businesses. If the government would raise their threshold with a simple adjustment, it would relieve over 40,000 small businesses of the regulatory red tape burden designed for big corporates with hundreds or thousands of employees.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I've run a business. I've run a small not-for-profit with around 15 employees that grew to around 25 employees. I've run a business with more than 100 employees. I've worked in businesses with thousands of employees. They are quite different beasts. It does not make sense for each of those businesses to be under the same regulatory burden. Frankly, they just don't have the same resources to manage all the regulation that bigger businesses do. I think that needs to be reflected in the scope of the legislation and the scope of the regulation that affects small businesses.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The second is I believe that the government should strengthen the payment system reporting times regulation by making fast payee designation a requirement of procurement, as they do in the United Kingdom. Under the Payment Times Reporting Scheme, large businesses and some government enterprises that have an annual taxable income of more than $100 million, known as reporting entities, must report every six months on their payment times and terms for small business. But, apart from naming and shaming the businesses that are slow payers, this scheme doesn't really have a lot of teeth and consequently has barely shifted the dial on payment reporting times more than 30 days. Multiple reviews have highlighted the scheme's ineffectiveness in terms of changing those behaviours.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The change I propose is a modest one, given that we already collect all the data that is required. Furthermore, it would act as a real setting of expectations by large businesses, with currently about 15 per cent of government contracts held by some of these large-business slow payers. It's pretty simple. If, as a big business, you are a slow payer—if you are not paying your small businesses, your suppliers, on time, within 30 days—then you shouldn't expect to be able to access government contracts. That could make a real difference to small businesses and smaller businesses that are struggling with working capital, struggling to stay afloat. This is something simple that the government could do now, and I urge the government to act on this example, because it is something that could make a difference right now to small businesses that are struggling with working capital.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This type of proposal has been recommended both by the 2023 Emerson review of payment times reporting and by the payment times and practices inquiry of 2017. All we need is a government that is willing to act and to back small businesses to make sure they are paid on time and have access to working capital so they can continue to invest in themselves and also invest in their employees.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In conclusion, this legislation implements broadly sensible changes, and, as such, I will not stand in its way. But I am concerned that the government, and indeed regulators, have made an insufficient case for increasing the reporting period from two to five years. Lastly, I am disappointed that we do not have a stronger agenda from the government on supporting small businesses, because they need it. There are some great ideas out there on the table. It is time for the government to step up and to act.</span>
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              </body>
            </talk.text>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2228</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Campbell, Julie-Ann MP</name>
                <name.id>312823</name.id>
                <electorate>Moreton</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="312823" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms CAMPBELL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Moreton</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:03</span>):  Higher taxes, lower wages, cuts to health care, sky-high inflation, nuclear-high electricity prices—these are the legacies and the plans of those who sit opposite. Every single one of these things makes it tougher for everyday Australians, who are living at an incredibly challenging time for cost of living. The Albanese Labor government has been focused on making sure the economy and the financial systems that sit around and are regulated by government must work for everyday Australians, every single day. That means we need financial systems that are resilient, that means we need financial systems that are trusted, and that means we need financial systems that are stable.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When we talk about the foundations of stronger productivity and public trust in our financial system, three pillars stand out as absolutely essential: investment, transparency and accountability. Investment is the engine that drives economic growth. It provides the capital that businesses need to innovate, to expand and to create jobs—ultimately, boosting productivity and improving the quality of life for our local communities. Investment alone is simply not enough. The system needs to be transparent, and when financial information and dealings are clear, accurate and accessible it builds trust into that system. Transparency allows investors, policymakers and the public to make informed decisions, and it helps prevent fraud and corruption. That confidence is absolutely critical. It is part of being accountable, which ensures that those managing public and indeed private funds are held responsible for their actions. This in turn promotes ethical leadership, good governance and compliance with the rules that protect everyone in our community.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These pillars of investment, transparency and accountability support a broader structure of a strong and resilient financial system—a system that is efficient, a system where funds move quickly and affordably to where they are needed the most, a system that is resilient and able to withstand shocks and recover with confidence and a system that is inclusive, ensuring that everyone has access to financial services and opportunities. It must also be innovative, embracing new technologies to stay competitive and to stay relevant, and stability is crucial in giving people and businesses that confidence to plan for the future. It doesn't matter if you are a small business, a big business or a family—being able to plan for the future is always important, and our systems must reflect that. And, above all, it has to be sustainable.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025 contains seven schedules which bolster the components that I have just spoken about, and it's an important piece of legislation that will strengthen confidence in our markets, enhance the operation of regulators and boost long-term economic growth. Schedule 1 of the bill focuses on delivering the first stage of Labor's commitment to develop a public beneficial ownership register as part of our multinational tax integrity package. At present, Australia lacks a comprehensive and consistent system for gathering, verifying and maintaining beneficial ownership data across all corporate entities. It's something that we need. It's something that's important. It's something that needs to change.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">A beneficial owner refers to the real individual who ultimately possesses or controls a company, trust or asset, even if they are not listed as the legal owner. There are valid reasons for separating legal and beneficial ownership, but intricate ownership arrangements can be exploited to conceal true ownership, enabling activities such as tax evasion, money laundering and other illicit financial conduct. Again, people must have the confidence to know that these systems are fair, and they must have the confidence to know that unscrupulous people cannot take advantage of flaws in systems. The current gap undermines corporate transparency and creates vulnerabilities in the regulatory framework, which can be exploited by bad actors and hinder the effectiveness of enforcement agencies.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese Labor government's reforms will establish a robust and centralised framework for beneficial ownership disclosure. It will also align us with the Financial Action Task Force, and the FATF outlines global benchmarks for legal and regulatory measures to combat money laundering, terrorism financing and the misuse of corporate structure. The amendments provide ASIC with enhanced enforcement capabilities. ASIC will have more flexibility to identify what needs to be disclosed and how it needs to be disclosed. Compliance will be incentivised through the potential increased penalties for nondisclosure and freezing notices.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The increased transparency means that the public, journalists and academics will have access to the information on who really controls the companies operating in this country. These reforms follow on from Labor's commitment to transparency, with public country-by-country reporting, requirements for information on subsidiaries, tax residency and increased accountabilities for companies bidding for government tenders.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 2 of this bill concerns the changes Labor is making to help the not-for-profit sector to be more transparent and more trustworthy. One of the key updates in the new bill gives the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission the ability to share information about investigations, either new or ongoing, if doing so could help prevent serious harm. This idea isn't new. It was part of a previous bill that lapsed in the previous parliament, as we've heard. This government is bringing it back because it is important that the generosity of Australians is matched with trust in our charitable organisations. When Australians put their hands into their pockets and take out their hard earned cash to give to charity, they need to know, they need to have confidence—they need to be sure—that that money is being used in a proper way. This change means that the ACNC can let the public know when it's looking into serious concerns about a charity, which helps reassure donors and the community that action is being taken. It's a way to strengthen oversight and to build trust, encouraging more people to support charities through donations and, of course, through volunteering.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, there are strong safeguards in place. The ACNC can only disclose information if it passes the public-harm test—if the issue is already known publicly or if the risk of harm is serious enough to justify speaking out. If the issue isn't already public, the rules are stricter—the charity must be notified, and it has the right to challenge the disclosure.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This reform is just the first step in a bigger plan to update secrecy rules around charities. As promised in the 2023-24 budget, the goal is to help double philanthropic giving by 2030. These changes are part of making the sector more open, they're part of making the sector more accountable, and they're part of making the sector more trusted, to drive towards that goal. It is part of Labor's broader agenda in the not-for-profit sector, which includes implementing new pathways to deductible-gift-recipient status, consolidating fundraising guidelines and ensuring voices from the sector are part of the ACNC board.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The third schedule of this bill changes how frequently the FRAA can review ASIC and the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority, APRA. Currently, reviews are biennial, but this bill proposes a review every five years. The benefits of this are twofold. Firstly, it will enable the FRAA to conduct more thorough and comprehensive reviews. Secondly, it will support ASIC and APRA to have enough time to respond to and implement review recommendations. The minister will continue to have the power to appoint the FRAA members and will also be able to call for ad hoc reviews of either ASIC or APRA.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 4 makes small but important changes to laws managed by Treasury, and these tweaks help make sure the laws work the way they were meant to. It's part of an ongoing commitment to keep our tax and financial systems running smoothly. These updates fix drafting errors, clarify wording and implement administrative improvements. They have been flagged by Treasury, other government agencies and legal drafters.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Similar to schedule 4, schedule 5 deals with technical adjustments that require some urgency. These changes are needed quickly to keep key government programs functioning properly. They fix problems caused by earlier legislative changes that didn't work as intended. When we make laws, we need to make sure that they work as intended. Without these fixes, some programs could face delays or disruptions.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 6 of the bill extends the rules that help ensure Australians receive fair treatment in the energy market. Known as the prohibiting energy market misconduct provisions, the PEMM provisions, these rules give the ACCC the power to investigate and act against energy companies that simply aren't playing fair. The extension until 2031 will ensure that consumers receive protection and that affordability and fairness are upheld as we undergo energy transition.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The final part of this bill, Schedule 7, will help small businesses invest and grow by extending the $20,000 instant asset write-off for another year until 30 June 2026. This means that small businesses can continue to claim a full deduction for the cost of eligible assets—not just one asset—under $20,000 as long as they are first used or installed by that date. The limit applies to each asset, so businesses can claim multiple purchases separately. We heard Minister Aly talk about this earlier. She talked about it in the context of the fact that this Labor government, the Albanese Labor government, has also introduced the first National Small Business Strategy, which is designed to make sure that small businesses have clarity on this government's vision, that small businesses have a voice and that that voice is clarified in a strategy which includes critical reforms like this.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Up to 4.1 million small businesses—817,000 in my home state of Queensland—will benefit from improved cash flow and reduced compliance. In my electorate of Moreton, on Brisbane's south side, we have so many small businesses. We have many small businesses that are driven by our multicultural communities. Whether it's a small business selling newspapers, serving coffee, or operating as a restaurant in some of our key areas for small business like Sunnybank, it's important that they are part of this and it's important they have benefits to them as small-business owners.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is part of a suite of support for small business that includes energy relief, cutting red tape and boosting competition through the $900 million National Productivity Fund and extending unfair-trading-practice protections. Labor has also provided over $60 million to support small businesses to enhance their cybersecurity measures, and this government wants to see the small-business sector thrive. The targeted support offered by this bill balances practical assistance with responsible economic management.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025 reinforces the foundational pillars of investment. It reinforces the foundational pillars of transparency and it reinforces the foundational pillar of accountability. Each one of those is critical to building a resilient and trustworthy financial system. This bill 's seven schedules translate these principles into practical action. Key reforms include the creation of a public beneficial ownership register to enhance corporate transparency, stronger oversight of charities to protect public trust and more strategic reviews of financial regulators. Fundamentally, technical amendments will ensure smooth legislative function while extended protections in the energy market and support for small businesses will demonstrate that Labor's commitment to fairness and economic resilience is paramount. They collectively strengthen our financial architecture and promote long-term transparency.</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2230</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Leigh, Andrew Keith MP</name>
                <name.id>BU8</name.id>
                <electorate>Fenner</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="BU8" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr LEIGH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fenner</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Productivity, Competition, Charities and Treasury</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:18</span>):  What a terrific speech we just heard from the member for Moreton. I would like to thank her and all those members who have contributed to the debate: the members for Fairfax, Bennelong, Monash, Maribyrnong, New England, Griffith, Mackellar, Curtin, Barton, Ryan, Cowan, Wentworth, Warringah and Chifley. There have been wide-ranging speeches focusing on stories and on policy, and the House has been better for the debate and the important conversation about charities, which too rarely comes to this House.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Treasury Laws Amendment (Strengthening Financial Systems and Other Measures) Bill 2025 brings together a suite of measures aimed at strengthening confidence in our markets, improving the performance of regulators and supporting long-term economic growth. It covers corporate disclosure, charity regulation, financial oversight, energy market protections and taxation. A standout provision for small business is the extension of the $20,000 instant asset write-off until the middle of 2026. By allowing immediate deductions, we lower the barrier to investment and help ensure Australian workers have the tools they need to thrive.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill also reinforces the importance of transparency. In the corporate sector, clearer ownership information supports fairer decision-making and better governance. For civil society, empowering the charities regulated to speak publicly when misconduct is suspected helps maintain trust in the sector. In both business and the not-for-profit world, transparency is the oxygen that accountability needs. Additional provisions ensure robust reviews of financial regulators, maintain consumer protections in the energy market and make technical amendments to keep the law operating as intended. Together those reforms promote investment, transparency and accountability, the foundations of stronger productivity and public confidence.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me briefly give the House an overview of the schedules. Schedule 1 improves transparency of ownership of some of Australia's biggest and most influential businesses. These amendments close loopholes and disclosure requirements and provide the Australian Securities and Investments Commission with the tools it needs to quickly and efficiently encourage and shore up compliance. They also bring Australia into greater alignment with the corporate ownership disclosure requirements over a number of comparable jurisdictions. The changes will improve market efficiency by reducing information asymmetry and increasing market integrity, improving investors' access to information and supporting a more efficient allocation of resources. They will also better support company directors and other interested stakeholders to identify when a person or group of associates might be building up an influential stake in their company.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 1 to the bill further supports corporate transparency by providing greater access to beneficial ownership information to interested members of the public, including providing journalists and academics, who play a key role in initiating and encouraging public debate, with fee-free access to tracing notice registers. Overall, a stronger beneficial ownership disclosure regime will assist regulators and law enforcement to address tax evasion, money laundering and other financial crime facilitated by complex ownership arrangements.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 2 to the bill allows the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission to disclose information about new or ongoing investigations where necessary to prevent or minimise the risk of significant harm. This reform will allow the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission to assure charities and donors that it is acting on issues of public concern and strengthening compliance to build the necessary public trust and confidence for donors and philanthropists to increase their support for the sector.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 3 changes the frequency of the Financial Regulator Assessment Authority's review cycles from biannually to every five years. This change will enable the authority to conduct more comprehensive reviews into our financial system regulators and allow the Australian Securities and Investments Commission and Australian Prudential Regulation Authority sufficient time to respond to recommendations made by the authority.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedules 4 and 5 to the bill make minor machinery and other technical amendments to various laws in the Treasury portfolio to ensure those laws operate in accordance with policy intent, improve administrative outcomes, remedy unintended consequences and correct technical and drafting defects.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 6 to the bill will maintain protections for consumers and constrain market misconduct through extending the sunset date of the Treasury Laws Amendment (Prohibiting Energy Market Misconduct) Act provisions to 1 January 2031. The amendment supports the ongoing efforts to improve electricity affordability and protect consumers in the energy market and complements other initiatives as part of the energy transition.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 7 of the bill extends the $20,000 instant asset write-off until 30 June 2026. This will improve cashflow and reduce compliance costs for small businesses.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We are heading now towards votes on two second reading amendments and a substantive amendment. To save the time of the House, let me say that the government will not be supporting those second reading amendments and substantive amendment. I won't go to all of the specifics of those second reading and substantive amendments, but I note that, in the case of the second reading amendment moved by the shadow Treasurer, he is wrong to say that this will reduce the scrutiny of ASIC and APRA. Indeed, this will provide more scrutiny through carrying out better reviews and allowing those organisations the time to respond to the important outcomes of the reviews. To the amendment moved by the member for Wentworth, we share the goals of tax reform, productivity and boosting the uptake of renewable energy, but we prefer other means through which to achieve that. The respect that this side of the House holds for the member for Wentworth was reflected in her important participation in the economic reform roundtable, which took place in the cabinet room recently. I commend the bill to the House.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
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                    <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                    </a>  The question before the House is that the amendment moved by the honourable member for Mackellar be agreed to.</span>
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2231</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>53517</name.id>
                  <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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              </talk.start>
              <talk.text>
              </talk.text>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [17:29]<br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
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                <num.votes>8</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Boele, N.</name>
                  <name>Chaney, K. E.</name>
                  <name>Gee, A. R.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Scamps, S. A. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Steggall, Z.</name>
                  <name>Watson-Brown, E.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                </names>
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              <noes>
                <num.votes>79</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Abdo, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Albanese, A. N.</name>
                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ambihaipahar, A.</name>
                  <name>Belyea, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Bowen, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Briskey, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Burke, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Campbell, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Clutterham, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Coffey, R. K.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J. M.</name>
                  <name>Comer, E. L.</name>
                  <name>Cook, K. M. G.</name>
                  <name>Cook, P. A.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Dreyfus, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>French, T. A.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P. P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Gregg, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Hogan, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Holzberger, R. A. V.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jarrett, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Jordan-Baird, M. A. M.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
                  <name>King, C. F.</name>
                  <name>King, M. M. H.</name>
                  <name>Lawrence, T. N.</name>
                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Leigh, A. K.</name>
                  <name>Lim, S. B. C.</name>
                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
                  <name>McBain, K. L.</name>
                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
                  <name>Miller-Frost, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Moncrieff, D. S.</name>
                  <name>Mulino, D.</name>
                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
                  <name>Ng, G. J.</name>
                  <name>Phillips, F. E.</name>
                  <name>Rae, S. T.</name>
                  <name>Reid, G. J.</name>
                  <name>Repacholi, D. P.</name>
                  <name>Rishworth, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Rowland, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Sitou, S.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. P. B. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. J. H.</name>
                  <name>Soon, X.</name>
                  <name>Stanley, A. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Teesdale, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Templeman, S. R.</name>
                  <name>Thwaites, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>White, R. P.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Witty, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names />
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            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived. </p>
              </body>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2232</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>53517</name.id>
                <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="53517" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">The SPEAKER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Time">17:39</span>):  The question before the House is that the amendment moved by the honourable member for Fairfax be agreed to.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal"> </span>
                </p>
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            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [17:39]<br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
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                <num.votes>40</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
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                  <name>Aldred, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Batt, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Bell, A. M.</name>
                  <name>Birrell, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Boele, N.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
                  <name>Caldwell, C. M.</name>
                  <name>Chaffey, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Chester, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Gee, A. R.</name>
                  <name>Hastie, A. W.</name>
                  <name>Hawke, A. G.</name>
                  <name>Hogan, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Joyce, B. T. G.</name>
                  <name>Kennedy, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Landry, M. L. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Leeser, J.</name>
                  <name>McCormack, M. F.</name>
                  <name>McIntosh, M. I.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, Z. A.</name>
                  <name>O'Brien, E. L.</name>
                  <name>O'Brien, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Pasin, A.</name>
                  <name>Penfold, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Pike, H. J. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Price, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Rebello, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, M. M.</name>
                  <name>Scamps, S. A.</name>
                  <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Tehan, D. T.</name>
                  <name>Venning, T. H.</name>
                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
                  <name>Wallace, A. B.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, R. J.</name>
                  <name>Wood, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Young, T. J.</name>
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              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>90</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Abdo, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Albanese, A. N.</name>
                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ambihaipahar, A.</name>
                  <name>Belyea, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Bowen, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Briskey, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Burke, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Campbell, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Chalmers, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Chaney, K. E.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Clare, J. D.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Clutterham, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Coffey, R. K.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J. M.</name>
                  <name>Comer, E. L.</name>
                  <name>Conroy, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Cook, K. M. G.</name>
                  <name>Cook, P. A.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Dreyfus, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>French, T. A.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P. P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Gregg, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Holzberger, R. A. V.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jarrett, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Jordan-Baird, M. A. M.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
                  <name>Keogh, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Khalil, P.</name>
                  <name>King, C. F.</name>
                  <name>King, M. M. H.</name>
                  <name>Lawrence, T. N.</name>
                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Leigh, A. K.</name>
                  <name>Lim, S. B. C.</name>
                  <name>Marles, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
                  <name>McBain, K. L.</name>
                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
                  <name>Miller-Frost, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Mitchell, R. G.</name>
                  <name>Moncrieff, D. S.</name>
                  <name>Mulino, D.</name>
                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
                  <name>Ng, G. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neil, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Phillips, F. E.</name>
                  <name>Plibersek, T. J.</name>
                  <name>Rae, S. T.</name>
                  <name>Reid, G. J.</name>
                  <name>Repacholi, D. P.</name>
                  <name>Rishworth, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Rowland, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Sitou, S.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. P. B. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. J. H.</name>
                  <name>Soon, X.</name>
                  <name>Stanley, A. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Steggall, Z.</name>
                  <name>Teesdale, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Templeman, S. R.</name>
                  <name>Thwaites, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Watson-Brown, E.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>White, R. P.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Witty, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
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              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names />
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            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.<br />Original question agreed to.<br />Bill read a second time.<br />Message from the Governor-General recommending appropriation announced.</p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division>
        </subdebate.2>
        <subdebate.2>
          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2233</page.no>
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          <subdebate.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-SubSubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill—by leave—taken as a whole.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </subdebate.text>
          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2233</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Steggall, Zali MP</name>
                <name.id>175696</name.id>
                <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="175696" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms STEGGALL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Warringah</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:42</span>):  I move:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(2) Schedule 7, page 132 (line 1) to page 132 (line 13), omit the Schedule, substitute:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Schedule 7</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">—</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">instant asset write-off for small business entities</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">Income Tax (Transitional Provisions) Act 1997</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">1 Section 328-180 (heading)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Omit "<span style="font-weight:bold;">to 30 June 2025</span>".</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">2 Subsection 328-180(1) (definition of </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">increased access year</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Repeal the definition, substitute:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      34pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">increased access year</span>: an income year is an <span style="font-weight:bold;">increased access year</span> if any day of the year occurs on or after 12 May 2015.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">3 Subsection 328-180(4)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Omit "<span style="font-style:italic;">Temporary increase</span>", substitute "<span style="font-style:italic;">Increase</span>".</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">4 Paragraph 328-180(4)(d)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Omit "$20,000", substitute "50,000".</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">5 Paragraph 328-180(4)(d)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Omit "and on or before 30 June 2025" (wherever occurring).</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">6 Paragraph 328-180(5)(e)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Repeal the paragraph, substitute:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      45pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(e) were a reference to $50,000, if the amount is so included at any time on or after 1 July 2023.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">7 Paragraph 328-180(6)(e)</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Repeal the paragraph, substitute:</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      45pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(e) were a reference to $50,000, in relation to a deduction for an income year that ends on or after 1 July 2023.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This amendment is in relation to schedule 7, in relation to the instant asset write-off, which was first introduced as a stimulus measure some years ago. It is a practical way to boost cash flow and support investment, but, over the years, it has become a vital business planning tool. The problem is there's no ability for business to actually plan with this tool because there is no consistency. Each year it's implemented it is prey to politicking and becomes a political football. And it has changed over time. Usually it is for a limited time, and the thresholds keep changing. It's now at $20,000. When it was originally introduced, it was actually $150,000, but now it's back to $20,000 and is drip fed with the legislation every 12 months to extend the measure. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The amendment I move is to make this instant asset write-off permanent so that businesses can in fact have the certainty of knowing they can invest in their business, in innovation and efficiencies, ahead of time. The amendment increases it to an amount that is actually meaningful for small businesses to allow them to actually invest and boost their productivity. We know that nearly four million small businesses rely on this, and they want this. They want this to be at the $50,000 mark, and they want it to be permanent. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">According to MYOB, who assist so many small businesses, nearly 60 per cent of small business would support a permanent instant asset tax write-off because the uncertainty undermines the confidence small businesses need to invest in their business. So if the government were genuine in their desire to assist small business, it would accept this amendment, because we have been calling on the government to make this instant asset write-off permanent for sometime. In the last two parliaments, we've seen this kicked around like a political football, and the people paying the price are small businesses. They are the ones who cannot invest in their business with certainty because they don't know whether the legislation will ultimately pass. In the last term of parliament, it passed on pretty much the very last sitting day, which was only a short period of time before the end of the financial year and which meant there was no ability for a business to genuinely look to this measure to invest in their business and boost their productivity.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There is a high-stakes roadmap. At a time when Australia needs policy settings that help to boost productivity and growth, we should be looking at ways to enhance investment by local businesses. The proposal to extend this doesn't provide the certainty that businesses need. When the amendment was before the House in the 2023-24 financial year, leading professional bodies, including the CPA, the Tax Institute of Australia and the Mortgage and Finance Association of Australia, all called for the instant asset tax write-off measure to be made permanent. Permanency would reduce red tape for business, government and tax agents. While the government deserves credit for continuing the scheme, it's time to stop treating this as a temporary fix. Small businesses need long-term certainty.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Also, the current $20,000 threshold does not provide the economic stimulus needed for small businesses to have confidence to grow and invest. That's why my amendment seeks to make the instant asset write-off permanent and increases the threshold to $50,000 so that businesses have got a meaningful ability to invest in their businesses. I commend the amendment to the House.</span>
                </p>
              </body>
            </talk.text>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2234</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Gee, Andrew MP</name>
                <name.id>261393</name.id>
                <electorate>Calare</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="261393" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr GEE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Calare</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:46</span>):  I rise to support the amendments proposed by the member for Warringah, and I commend her for bringing these very important changes and amendments to the House. It is no secret that small businesses have been doing it very tough right around Australia but particularly in country Australia. There are high interest rates, high energy costs, inflation and too much red tape. There is red tape seemingly at every level of government. There's the stress that our small-business people experience of having to borrow money and lie awake at night hoping that they will be paid so they, in turn, can pay someone else.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It is not easy being in small business, yet our small-business people are key to driving jobs, prosperity and growth in the regions and right around the country. The instant asset write-off is a very important measure to support our small-business people. It enables our businesses to make key investments to keep their businesses thriving, which has been very difficult lately, but it could be made better. This is what the member for Warringah has put to this House. She wants to improve this key piece of legislation and this key measure for small business.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">At the moment, as members such as the member for Wentworth have eloquently pointed out to this House, the instant asset write-off has been a year-to-year proposition. Businesses have not had certainty that the instant asset write-off will be there from one year to the next. Because of delays in the implementation and the passing of legislation relating to the instant asset write-off, it has meant that some businesses just haven't been aware of it. Some businesses have missed the opportunity to take advantage of it. So it should be made permanent. By making it permanent, it allows businesses to plan their investment decisions. It would allow them to steer by the stars instead of navigating by the lights of each passing ship, and that certainty is a very important thing for small businesses right around the country. So I'm very supportive of that measure in the amendments.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm also very supportive of actually extending the instant asset write-off and increasing it to $50,000. This will allow more businesses the flexibility to make larger investment decisions and receive the tax benefits that the instant asset write-off brings. It will drive more growth and more investment and will actually help our businesses thrive. I'm very supportive of the amendments. I commend them to the House, and I implore all members of this place to get behind the amendments and back our small businesses—the engine room of the Australian economy.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="53517" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The SPEAKER:</span>
                    </a>  The question is that amendment (2), put forward by the honourable member for Warringah, be agreed to.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal"> </span>
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2234</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Dick, Milton MP (The SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>53517</name.id>
                  <electorate>Oxley</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [17:54]<br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
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                <num.votes>9</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Boele, N.</name>
                  <name>Chaney, K. E.</name>
                  <name>Gee, A. R.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, M. M.</name>
                  <name>Scamps, S. A. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Steggall, Z. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Watson-Brown, E.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
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              <noes>
                <num.votes>64</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
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                  <name>Belyea, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
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                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Campbell, J. P.</name>
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                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Clutterham, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Coffey, R. K.</name>
                  <name>Cook, K. M. G.</name>
                  <name>Cook, P. A.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Dreyfus, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>French, T. A.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P. P.</name>
                  <name>Gregg, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Hogan, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Holzberger, R. A. V.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jarrett, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Jordan-Baird, M. A. M.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
                  <name>Khalil, P.</name>
                  <name>Lawrence, T. N.</name>
                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Leigh, A. K.</name>
                  <name>Lim, S. B. C.</name>
                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
                  <name>Miller-Frost, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Moncrieff, D. S.</name>
                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
                  <name>Ng, G. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neil, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Phillips, F. E.</name>
                  <name>Rae, S. T.</name>
                  <name>Reid, G. J.</name>
                  <name>Repacholi, D. P.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Sitou, S.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. P. B. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. J. H.</name>
                  <name>Stanley, A. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Teesdale, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Templeman, S. R.</name>
                  <name>Thwaites, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>White, R. P.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Witty, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2235</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Steggall, Zali MP</name>
                <name.id>175696</name.id>
                <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="175696" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms STEGGALL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Warringah</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:59</span>):  by leave—I move amendments (1) and (3) as circulated in my name together:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(1) Clause 2, page 2 (table item 9), omit "Schedules 6 and 7", substitute "Schedules 6 to 8".</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(3) Page 99 (after line 15), at the end of the Bill, add:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Schedule 8</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">Income Tax (Transitional Provisions) Act 1997</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      11pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">1 At the end of section 328-180</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      23pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">Add:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">Increased access linked to waste reduction or energy efficiency</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(7) Despite any other provision of this Act, section 328-180 of the <span style="font-style:italic;">Income Tax Assessment Act 1997</span> applies in relation to:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;        margin-left:&#xA;      45pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">(a) an increased access year beginning after 30 June 2025; and</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">(b) a depreciating asset between $20,000 and $50,000;</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">only if the depreciating asset would reduce waste or be covered by the energy incentive in section 328-465 if the appropriate change were made to that section.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In relation to the instant asset tax write-off, it's raising the question of how it is used for small businesses. In the past, there has been concern that the instant tax write-off has been used for, essentially, spending by some businesses—for example, the paying of the RAM tradie utes. We've seen them proliferate in some of our areas. So it's looking at the question of how small business can be incentivised to invest into energy efficiency and waste reduction, because these are key elements that the government ends up spending significant amounts of money on in other programs. So these amendments seek to justify the increase to $50,000 for that instant asset tax write-off by linking it to waste reduction and energy efficiency measures for small businesses. These come in so many ways that the write-off would essentially be available to most businesses and industries, but it gives small business that incentive and that encouragement to spend that money in a really purposeful way.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know from the national climate risk assessment that small businesses across Australia will face notable impacts and increasing risks from climate change. They will potentially face compounding impacts from inundation, flooding and erosion, making them unviable, particularly in high-risk areas across Queensland, WA, the Northern Territory and New South Wales. Often, small businesses also struggle to get insurance because of the amount of risk they carry when it comes to climate impacts. So for small businesses there's a real benefit in being incentivised to act to reduce that risk and invest in those efficiencies for their buildings and in the ability to act now to protect their energy sources and ensure they can build resilience in their business and continue to operate in the face of rising temperatures and increasing risks.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">So these amendments would incentivise small businesses and deliver real benefits by allowing small businesses to invest in energy efficiency and decarbonisation options to reduce the costs of doing business. For example, the cost of utilities is a key driver of stress for small to medium enterprises. The amendments would allow for investment in productivity enhancement, and they would simplify tax compliance, removing the confusion of annual threshold changes.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I urge the government to consider: if not through these amendments, how, through other measures, do we incentivise small to medium businesses to innovate and to build resilience within themselves? We need to ensure that they have access to ways to build energy efficiency in their operations but also to build waste management. We know we need to build towards more of a circular economy and ensure that that waste management is there.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I've had the privilege of spending time with small businesses within my electorate. They're ambitious, hardworking and innovative. They deserve tax frameworks that reward innovation and support cleaner, more efficient technologies. Under the current arrangements, it shifts every budget cycle, which risks missing the opportunity to help small businesses be part of the clean energy transition. With better design, the instant asset write-off can be a powerful tool towards our national decarbonisation efforts and lifting productivity through small businesses. So these amendments, like others, support both business growth and Australia's long-term economic resilience. It's about providing certainty and fairness, not shifting goalposts. So I commend these amendments to the government and urge the government to consider much greater support for small to medium enterprises.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Question negatived.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill agreed to.</span>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>2236</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Third Reading</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2236</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Leigh, Andrew Keith MP</name>
                <name.id>BU8</name.id>
                <electorate>Fenner</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="BU8" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr LEIGH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fenner</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Productivity, Competition, Charities and Treasury</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:03</span>):  by leave—I move:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a third time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Question agreed to.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a third time.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Private Health Insurance (National Joint Replacement Register Levy) Amendment Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2236</page.no>
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            <a href="r7368" type="Bill">
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Private Health Insurance (National Joint Replacement Register Levy) Amendment Bill 2025</span>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2236</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Consideration resumed of the motion:</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2236</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Chaffey, Jamie MP</name>
                <name.id>316312</name.id>
                <electorate>Parkes</electorate>
                <party>NATS</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="316312" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr CHAFFEY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Parkes</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:05</span>):  I rise to speak on the Private Health Insurance (National Joint Replacement Register Levy) Amendment Bill 2025. This bill makes a series of technical and administrative amendments to ensure the national joint-replacement register levy operates in line with its original policy intent. Specifically, the bill redefines who is responsible for paying the levy, ensuring that it applies to the current responsible person for the medical device listed on the Prescribed List of Medical Devices and Human Tissue Products, not just the original applicant. This is a sensible and necessary change. It will ensure that the levy keeps pace with commercial changes over time, including where responsibility for a device listing is transferred between companies. The bill also includes validating provisions to mitigate any risk from past levy collections.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The National Joint Replacement Register, or NJRR, plays a vital role in monitoring and improving patient safety and surgical outcomes for Australians receiving joint replacements. The registry, administered by the Australian Orthopaedic Association, collects and analyses data from all relevant hospitals across Australia to help define, improve and maintain the quality of care for joint replacement surgery. The AOA receives Commonwealth funding for aspects of the registry's administration through a grants agreement, and these costs are efficiently recovered through the levy imposed under the Private Health Insurance (National Joint Replacement Register Levy) Act 2009. This bill will ensure that the levy continues to function efficiently and consistently with its original purpose to support the continued collection and analysis of high-quality data on joint replacement outcomes. Therefore, the coalition supports the bill. It is a sensible, technical measure that will improve the operation of the national joint replacement levy. These amendments are administrative. They are consistent with the coalition's longstanding support for efficient, transparent and accountable administration of Australia's health system.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Whilst the coalition supports the bill, it is worth noting that greater action is needed by the Albanese Labor government to ensure that Australian patients have timely access to elective surgeries, such as joint replacement, including ensuring our hospital system has funding certainty going forward and addressing the underlying cause of bed block in our hospitals.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Reports from the states and territories about the ongoing negotiations on the next national health reform agreement—the agreement that determines the Commonwealth contribution to hospital funding—are deeply concerning. The Prime Minister has already broken a key promise on hospital funding. He promised to deliver a new five-year national health reform agreement with the states and territories from 1 July 2025, but he has failed to negotiate, leaving our hospitals in a state of uncertainty at a time when they are facing enormous pressure. Instead of fixing this failure and securing the future of our hospitals, the Prime Minister appears to be sending them backwards. The Prime Minister needs to be honest with the Australian public about whether he intends to break his promise to fund 42.5 per cent of hospital costs by 2030. If he does, that would not just be a broken promise; it would be a betrayal of the patients, families and frontline health workers who rely on certainty in hospital funding.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese Labor government is clearly failing Australian patients at a time when our health system needs stability and confidence more than ever. Across the country, waiting lists are growing. Hospitals are stretched. Patients are waiting months, sometimes years, for procedures that are critical for their mobility, independence and quality of life. A key part of this challenge is the growing issue of bed block, where older Australians who are ready to be discharged from hospital can't leave because they are waiting for access to an aged-care service. It is not only distressing for patients and their families; it also has a direct impact on the availability of hospital beds and the ability to perform elective surgeries.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese government must address the underlying cause of bed block, particularly by ensuring that older Australians have timely access to the aged-care support they need. Most urgently, waiting times to access home-care packages have skyrocketed under Labor. Before the election, Labor promised to deliver 83,000 new home-care packages from 1 July 2025. But, instead of following through, they withheld support, even though the sector and the department were ready to deliver on it. As a result, not a single new home-care package was released into the system this financial year.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This failure has devastating consequences. The priority waiting list has now blown out to almost 109,000 older Australians, a 400 per cent increase in just two years. Wait times for the package have tripled. Tragically, almost 5,000 older Australians died in the past year while waiting for a home-care package, while it was only after a coordinated, pressured campaign from the coalition that the government finally caved and agreed to our amendments to guarantee the release of at least 83,000 new home-care packages by the end of this financial year. This includes the immediate release of 20,000 packages and a further 20,000 by the end of the year.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This was a win for older Australians in desperate need of assistance, but it should never have taken such pressure to get there. Labor faced a choice—listen to the coalition and release the packages, or vote against us and continue to deny vulnerable Australians the support they desperately need. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, Minister for Health and Ageing Mark Butler and Minister for Aged Care and Seniors Sam Rae still need to explain to Australia why it took the coalition holding their feet to the fire in the Senate to release this much-needed support. This support should have happened months ago. It is a black mark on this government that they were purposely withholding support for hundreds of thousands of older Australians who desperately needed it.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The coalition has stood up for older Australians across the country—Australians whom this government have abandoned. The money was in the budget. The capacity was there. The only thing standing in the way was Labor. This is a crisis of the government's own making, and there is still more work to be done. Now the test is on the government to provide timely and transparent data to show that they're keeping their promise. Have they released the 20,000 new packages they promised immediately? Will they deliver an additional 20,000 by the end of the year and a further 43,000 by the end of this financial year? This is the minimum that must occur. It must occur on time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The coalition will continue to fight for older Australians, with one clear goal—that no-one should have to wait for the care that they have been assessed as needing.</span>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
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                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Georganas</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  The member will resume his seat. The member for Macarthur on a point of order?</span>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Dr Freelander:</span>
                    </a>  A point of order on relevance—the member is not speaking to the bill at all.</span>
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                    <span class="HPS-OfficeInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</span>  I am listening to the member for Parkes and will ask him to keep within the parameters of the legislation.</span>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr CHAFFEY:</span>
                    </a>  So, once again, the coalition supports this bill, because it represents practical policy to improve the efficiency and integrity of a key health administration process. But we will continue to hold the Albanese Labor government to account for their failures on hospital funding, access to elective surgery and aged-care delivery. Australians deserve a government that delivers on its promises, not a government that says one thing and does another. Australians deserve access to the support they need, when they need it, whether that's in a hospital, through a home-care package or in residential aged care. I commend the bill to the House. </span>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr FREELANDER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Macarthur</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:14</span>):  The Private Health Insurance (National Joint Replacement Register Levy) Amendment Bill 2025 is a very important bill. Joint replacement surgery is one of the remarkable advances of the 20th century in modern health care. For centuries, joint replacement had been attempted and never been successful until Sir John Charnley, a British orthopaedic surgeon, successfully developed the first hip replacement prosthesis in the 1960s with some fairly basic materials. The cup that went into the hip itself was polythene, and a steel ball joint from the hip itself became successful.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These replacements were not perfect. They had a relatively short lifespan, measured in years rather than decades. Gradually, there have been advances in the decades that have followed, and there have also been some setbacks with newer materials that haven't been as successful as they were originally thought to be. There was a specific joint replacement that was used in Australia, developed by a group of orthopaedic surgeons, and found to be faulty after several years. They all had to be replaced, and it was very difficult to trace all the people that had had those specific prostheses, because no registry had been kept.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Then we developed—basically because of that—the national joint-replacement register, which is administered by the Australian Orthopaedic Association because our orthopaedic surgeons are the ones who oversee all the aspects of the registry. This included collecting data from all Australian public hospitals performing joint-replacement surgery, maintaining the data integrity and publishing analysis to track outcomes, identify emerging trends and address potential issues with procedures or implants over the years. Some of the joint replacements in the private hospital system were not registered. This became a problem as, increasingly, this surgery required less time in hospital, became a quicker procedure and was done more in the private system.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This registry is currently funded through a Commonwealth grant agreement. The national joint register is now transitioning to a cost-recovery model supported by the levy. This amendment bill secures this transition, ensures long-term sustainability and reinforces the registry's essential role in safeguarding the quality of joint-replacement care across Australia in both the public system and the private system. This is very important. With an ageing population and with advances in joint-replacement surgery, we are now doing more joints. We're now doing hip and knee replacements, shoulder replacements and even elbow replacements and some in the small joints in the hands and ankles. It's really remarkable to consider the progress over the last 40 or 50 years. By clarifying financial responsibility through this legislation, the bill also improves transparency for a whole range of providers, including insurers, prostheses providers, surgeons and other stakeholders, allowing funding arrangements to evolve while preserving accountability, consistency and operational continuity.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's not just a cost-effective measure; it really does safeguard Australian patient care. Remember, we're talking about prostheses that can have a lifespan of 25, 30 or even 40 years. This is very important to make sure that follow-up is appropriate and that any problems with the prostheses or even the procedures themselves can be traced through the health system. I really commend the national joint replacement registry and the significant contribution that it's made to our healthcare system and will continue to make in the future. Alone, reporting from the NJRR details that, between early 2023 and 2024, more than 85,000 hip and knee replacement operations were performed annually in Australia. A breakdown of these findings is made available through the national joint replacement registry, the NJRR. Their reporting has shown an increase in this figure over the years, and, with an ageing population, the demand for orthopaedic surgery is expected to significantly increase. The numbers of joints involved will also increase, as will the quality of the replacements. It's very important that we can trace these replacements, trace the lifespan and trace any complications and any need for repeated surgeries.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The NJRR collects data from the hospitals performing prosthesis surgeries every month. A person receiving treatment is recorded once they have been in theatre and are being operated on. This information is received via a paper based system. But a mechanism has now been established to collect this information electronically when it is feasible for the hospital, and most hospitals are now transitioning over to electronic records. The received data collected from individual hospitals is then compared with data provided by state and territory health departments, and the type of prosthesis can also be traced, leading to better data collection. Validation of the NJRR data against the health department unit record data uses sequential multilevel matching processes so all the aspects of the surgery itself, the joint involved and the prosthesis used can be traced. The validation process also identifies procedures that have not previously been notified to the NJRR, with sufficient information being collected via the state system.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The data collection by the NJRR contains the most complete set of data relating to joint replacements in Australia and approaches that of the very best around the world. This is very important, as I said, as we're now moving to better and more refined surgeries in many other joints, not just hips. As I said, knee replacements are now becoming quite common. Shoulder replacements are becoming common. We're doing elbows. We're doing the small joints in the hands. This is a really remarkable development. It's very important not just for those with osteoarthritis due to age or due to overuse but to those who have inflammatory forms of arthritis like psoriatic arthritis or rheumatoid arthritis. The surgery and the treatments are becoming much more sophisticated. The degree of disability post surgery is much less. The time in hospital is much less. These details can be traced through the NJRR.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Beyond administrative and financial impacts the bill amendment contributes to clinical excellence by improving data collection and our understanding of the data we are collecting. The registry's annual reports are widely used by surgeons to monitor their outcomes against national benchmarks, and it is very important that the profession itself is able to monitor its individual surgeons against national benchmarks and their colleagues, and indicate factors relating to device issues such as premature wear in some implants. Identifying factors such as this and the need to revise surgery more frequently can be traced using this data. This certainly improves patient outcomes. It improves the system, it improves the quality of care that we can give and it makes device manufacturers aware as well that their performances are being tracked via data collection, and this can encourage more research and innovation, better prosthesis design and better surgical approaches. It's a really exciting development and again a demonstration that the Albanese Labor government is committed to quality health care and getting equitable access to health care around the country.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Before the establishment of the NJRR in 1993 this reporting was very difficult to trace. It was unclear as to the number of people involved, who was receiving joint replacements, how long they last for, the types of prostheses that were being used and the technique being used to implant them. Even the time of stay in hospital post joint replacement was difficult to ascertain. The time waiting for joint replacement also was difficult to attain, and this now can be looked at. The time waiting prior to surgery after it has been identified can be looked at. This is very important. We know, for example, with fractured hips, fractured neck of femur, once that happens, the results are much better. The shorter time it takes from fracture to joint replacement can dramatically improve results, particularly in elderly patients. We can now track that.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Prior to introducing this legislation the department of health always charged the levy, consistent with the policy intent, but the existing framework requires device sponsors and manufacturers to pay a levy to fund the NJRR's post-market surveillance of joint replacement. This levy is collected by the government and is tied to the specific number of prostheses sponsored by each company. The levy amount is set for a specific financial year, which is amended annually, as demonstrated by the upcoming 2025-26 amendments, following a cost review.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Over time, it has become apparent that this levy framework has faced issues, including a forward cost recovery method that disproportionately affected small companies, a lack of transparency in governance and financial expenditure, inadequate funding that was not keeping pace with cost pressures, and ambiguity in the scope of the prostheses list that led to complexity and potential double funding of some items. Our government agencies consulted with industries and stakeholders, and they provided feedback indicating that the levy calculation method based on billing codes on the prostheses list did not accurately reflect actual joint replacements or the cost to the registry. Without this change, the primary issue for insurers will be the inability to recover the costs of the NJRR as the legislation is needed to clarify who is responsible following changes in the medical device industry.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This amendment bill is designed to formalise and strengthen the framework governing the collection of the NJRR levy and is an important change. The central objective is to codify a clear legal basis for determining who is responsible for paying the levy, ensuring consistency with longstanding policy intent and addressing operational and legal uncertainties within the existing framework. A key feature of this bill is the creation of a 'person responsible' definition to be set out in rules, rather than in the primary legislation itself. Under the existing framework, the levy is imposed on medical device sponsors to fund the NJRR's post-market surveillance of joint replacement procedures, and this is very important given the longstanding lifespan of some of these devices.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We are modernising how the NJRR levy is administered, and this is a really great change. The adjustment in regulatory designs allows us, the government, to respond more effectively to evolving industry dynamics, to changes in the prostheses themselves and to changes in device sponsorship and company structure without requiring constant legislative amendment. It's about continuation of funding to preserve quality of care and services to allow flexibility and to improve patient care and really to make sure that we have a streamlined process of joint replacement surgery and follow-up of any perceived problems. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This legislation will affect our hospitals and our providers of prostheses, our surgeons in both the public and private health systems. The amendment ensures full cost recovery for the NJRR's operations, as well as supporting its role in quality improvements and data collection for joint replacement surgery. As we've said, we have over 80,000 joint replacements a year already. This is expected to increase significantly every year for a long period of time. This ensures that the levy system allows for cost recovery to the government and also improves health care. I commend the bill to the House. It is yet another sign of a government that understands health care. It's doing its best to cope with the enormous demands on the healthcare system in the 21st century and is providing equitable care to all Australians. I commend the bill to the House.</span>
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                <name role="metadata">French, Tom MP</name>
                <name.id>316550</name.id>
                <electorate>Moore</electorate>
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr FRENCH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Moore</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:28</span>):  When Australians talk about health care, they talk about trust—trust that, when something goes wrong, the system is there and trust that, if your hip goes or your knee gives out, you won't be left behind because of your bank balance. It might sound technical, but it goes to the heart of trust in our healthcare system. When someone in my electorate of Moore gets a hip or knee replaced, they are putting their faith in a device and in the system that keeps that device safe. That system rests on one of Australia's quiet achievements: the National Joint Replacement Registry, or the NJRR.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The NJRR collects data from every hospital performing joint replacement surgery—hips, knees, shoulders, elbows, wrists, ankles and even spinal discs. It tells us what works, what fails and what lasts. It helps surgeons choose the best implants, and regulators remove poor performers. It is practical Australian ingenuity—data saving lives. And the funding mechanism that keeps it alive matters enormously. The Private Health Insurance (National Joint Replacement Register Levy) Amendment Bill 2025 keeps that funding certain, lawful and fair. It's a clean, precise amendment to fix a legal gap in the 2009 levy act, ensuring the right people pay—the companies responsible for the medical devices on the prescribed list, not hospitals or patients. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'll now run through the detail. Schedule 1, part 1, 'Amendments', is the engine room. It replaces the outdated references to the 'sponsor' of a device with a clearer rule—the person specified in the rules made under section 8 pays the levy. That lets the minister, through the Private Health Insurance (Medical Devices and Human Tissue Products) Rules, define who precisely is liable: the company responsible at the time the levy is imposed. Items 1 to 3 tidy up definitions to match the renamed prescribed list rules and scrap redundant language. Together, these items modernise the law to match modern corporate reality, because companies merge, rebrand and sell their product lines, and the law needs to keep up. That's how you ensure cost recovery lands where it should—on those who profit, not those who heal. Item 4 locks that fairness in place.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Schedule 1, part 2, 'Application of amendments and validation of payment of certain levies', is equally vital. It confirms that the new definition applies going forward, and it validates past collections to remove any shadow of a doubt. Item 5 ensures that the new framework applies from commencement. Item 6 ensures that every levy already collected is deemed lawful. That protects the registry from legal challenge and keeps its funding stable. That's not paperwork. That's peace of mind, because the registry isn't a line item; it's a lifeline. Joondalup Health Campus in my electorate of Moore is one of WA's major orthopaedic surgery hubs. Hundreds of joint replacement operations take place there each year. Behind every operation is data—data that tells surgeons which prosthetics last 20 years and which ones fail after two. That evidence saves lives and limbs. Clause by clause, this bill keeps that quiet success story running.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Legislation always reveals values. Labor governments build systems that serve people. The Liberals let them rust while they argue and delay. This bill reflects the Labor instinct—fix the detail before it fails, and get the framework right so the system stays steady. That is how you govern for the long term. The opposition may just call it just technical. Tell that to a patient whose revision surgery was avoided because the registry flagged a fault in time. Tell that to the surgeon who didn't implant a defective device because the data was there. In healthy policy, the technicalities save lives. The NJRR was built by Labor, the levy framework was legislated by Labor, and this bill once again fixes the system Labor put in place to protect patients. We organise it, we fund it and we keep it lawful.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill also reflects consultation and fairness. The Department of Health and Aged Care consulted the Australian Orthopaedic Association and the Medical Technology Association of Australia. Surgeons supported the bill. Some manufacturers may grumble. No-one loves paying a levy, but fairness means everyone carries their share. If your company earns from devices implanted in Australians, you should help fund the system that helps keep them safe. That's the deal. Clause by clause, this bill re-anchors that principle. The person responsible for the device pays—not the patient, not the taxpayer and not the public hospital but the manufacturer, the supplier, the beneficiary of profit. That's cost recovery done right.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's a small bill with a big moral centre. It says to Australians, 'Your government minds the details so you can trust the system.' It says, 'Your surgery will be safer because the data stays flowing.' It's the legislative equivalent of routine maintenance, invisible until the day you need it. Item 4 defines who pays, item 5 applies the rule and item 6 validates the path. Together they keep the registry funded, lawful and futureproof. That's what competent government looks like.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In my electorate, you see the impact. In Kingsley and Padbury, tradespeople rely on new knees to get back to work. In Duncraig and Carine, older Australians depend on strong hips to stay independent. In Mullaloo and Ocean Reef, grandparents want to walk grandkids to the beach. Those are the lives quietly improved by this bill, because when Canberra gets the detail wrong people pay for it in the suburbs. When the previous government ignored details, we got robodebt—a masterclass in arrogance that shattered lives. When they ignored accountability, we got a Prime Minister secretly swearing himself into multiple ministries. When they ignored maintenance, we got systems that broke and so people suffered. Labor governs differently. We fix the detail before it becomes a disaster.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Clause 5, the application provision, means the new rule applies from the day the amendment takes effect. From the next levy cycle onward, every company responsible for a listed device will pay properly—no confusion, no wiggle room, no legal gymnastics. It's certainty for business and stability for the registry. Clause 6, the validation clause, does something quietly powerful. It safeguards the public interest by ensuring every previous levy payment stands lawful. No-one can exploit a technical loophole to demand refunds or derail the registry. It tells industry that the rules are clear. It tells taxpayers that the system you've relied on remains solid. That's what good law looks like. It doesn't make headlines, but it makes hospitals work, it makes data flow, it makes surgery safer.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Some on the opposition benches may dismiss this as technical, but there is nothing boring about safer surgeries or laws that work as intended. Competence may not make headlines, but it saves lives. And we've seen what chaos looks like. For nine years, the Liberals were too busy fighting each other to fix the machinery of government. They left good programs half-written, reviews half-implemented, accountability half-existent. They had the registry, they had the levy and they had the chance to modernise it. And what did they do? Nothing. They left the gap sitting there, unfixed. They left the definition of 'sponsor' frozen in time while companies merged and the market moved on. They left regulators exposed to legal uncertainty. And now, as always, Labor is cleaning up the mess. This bill isn't glamorous, but it's vital. It says to patients, 'We've got your back.' It says to industry, 'Play fair and you'll have stability.' It says to regulators, 'The law now reflects reality.' That's modern government. It's not slogans and it's not scare campaigns, just steady delivery.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The explanatory memorandum notes that the passage is needed by 1 March 2026 to allow levy recovery in the 2025-26 financial year, so this parliament must act and act promptly. Delay would risk interrupting the funding base of one of the world's most successful health registries. Australia's population is ageing rapidly. By 2030, one in five Australians will be over 65, and demand for joint replacements will surge. These procedures are not elective luxuries. They restore independence, reduce falls and keep older Australians active in their communities. Every dollar spent keeping the registry strong is a dollar that prevents expensive revision surgeries later. This bill is forward planning, ensuring the cost-recovery model can sustain the registry as the need for data, transparency and safety grows. It's an investment in dignity as well as efficiency.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The NJRR isn't just an Australian success; it's a global model. Nations like Sweden, the UK and Canada have built their own systems on its example. Our registry's data helps surgeons everywhere improve their practice. That's something Australians can be proud of, a quiet export of expertise. The Australian Orthopaedic Association supports the bill. They know its value. The Medical Technology Association of Australia is less enthusiastic, because clarity brings accountability. But accountability is the price of trust. If you profit from devices inside Australians, you contribute to the system that keeps them safe. That's the social contract in practice. The bill fit squarely in Labor's philosophy of partnership. It complements the health minister's broader agenda—transparency, collaboration with clinicians and results over ideology. That's not radical, that's responsible.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bill speaks to a personal truth for me. I stand here because of a kidney transplant. I know what it's like to rely on a health system that works, to trust that the data, the devices and the coordination all function when you need them most. When I read a bill like this, I don't see bureaucracy. I see reassurance—reassurance that the system that saved me is being kept strong for others. That's why I take so-called technical bills seriously, because they are anything but.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Australians expect their governments to mind the store. They expect competence, clarity and care. That's exactly what this bill delivers. It might never make the nightly news, but it will make for safer surgeries, stronger hospitals and steadier trust. In Moore, that means people recovering faster. It means fewer revision surgeries at Joondalup Health Campus. It means more grandparents back on their feet, more workers back on the job and more confidence in Medicare's wider system of care. That's good government. It's the difference between noise and results, slogans and systems, politics and progress. The opposition had nine years to fix this and didn't. Labor saw a gap and fixed it in one. That's the story of Australian politics in miniature. We build; they bluster.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me finish where I began, with trust. Trust in our health system is not automatic. It is earned through decades of quiet, careful work. It's preserved by governments that take the responsibility seriously. It is embodied in bills like this one—precise, purposeful and practical. So when Australians in Moore or anywhere else go in for surgery they can do so knowing their government has done its job, that the registry monitoring their implants is funded, lawful and future proofed, that the companies profiting from medical devices are paying their fair share and that the system behind the scenes is working as it should. It reminds us why Labor governs the way it does, with attention to detail, respect for expertise and faith in collective care. It's because that's the foundation of a modern, fair nation. It's a government that notices the small things so citizens can dream about the big ones. That's good policy, that's good government, and that's the Labor difference. I commend the bill to the House.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Question agreed to.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a second time.</span>
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        <subdebate.2>
          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>2242</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Third Reading</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2242</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">White, Rebecca MP</name>
                <name.id>224102</name.id>
                <electorate>Lyons</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="224102" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms WHITE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lyons</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Women, Assistant Minister for Health and Aged Care and Assistant Minister for Indigenous Health</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:43</span>):  by leave—I thank everyone for their contributions and I move:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a third time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Question agreed to.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Bill read a third time.</span>
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        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Centre for Disease Control Bill 2025, Australian Centre for Disease Control (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2025</title>
          <page.no>2242</page.no>
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            <p>
              <a href="r7369" type="Bill">
                <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Australian Centre for Disease Control Bill 2025</span>
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            </p>
            <a href="r7372" type="Bill">
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Australian Centre for Disease Control (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2025</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>2242</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Second Reading</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Cognate debate.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Consideration resumed of the motion:</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Small">That this bill be now read a second time.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2242</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Chaffey, Jamie MP</name>
                <name.id>316312</name.id>
                <electorate>Parkes</electorate>
                <party>NATS</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="316312" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr CHAFFEY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Parkes</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:44</span>):  I rise to speak on the Australian Centre for Disease Control Bill 2025 and the Australian Centre for Disease Control (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2025. These bills, together, establish a new national body, the Australian Centre for Disease Control, as a statutory, non-corporate Commonwealth entity. The proposed CDC would be led by the director-general, appointed by and reporting directly to the Minister for Health and Ageing and accountable to the federal parliament. The bills amend a wide range of existing legislation, including the Freedom of Information Act 1982 and the Biosecurity Act 2015, and make transitional provisions to transfer significant functions and powers between the Department of Health, Disability and Ageing and the Chief Medical Officer and the new entity.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">While strengthening Australia's public health preparedness is an unquestionable priority, the mechanism proposed in these bills and in the considerable powers being transferred warrant far closer examination than has yet been received. Despite the significance of this legislation, the government and its Greens allies on the Senate Community Affairs Legislation Committee refused to hold a single public hearing for the inquiry into the bill. Despite receiving over 40 submissions—many proposing substantive amendments—the committee denied experts and the public any opportunity to be heard. This is unacceptable and another example of the disturbing trend of this government to hide from transparency and accountability. It shows that the government is more interested in political box-ticking exercises than in engaging in genuine consultation. Let us remember that Labor first promised to establish a US-style centre for disease control almost five years ago. Yet after all that time, and more than three years in government, the Albanese government has only now brought this legislation to parliament, barely three months before the promised start date.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bill appears to downgrade the role of the Commonwealth Chief Medical Officer by transferring all functions, powers and duties to the Director of Human Biosecurity and the secretary of the department, a bureaucrat. This is despite the Director of Human Biosecurity being a role that requires the medical expertise that a CMO possesses. This shift risks eroding public confidence in key health decisions by placing them in the hands of a bureaucrat without clinical background, and it risks undermining Australia's trust in the CMO and deputy CMO roles, which performed effectively during the COVID pandemic. Indeed, Professor Michael Kidd, who served as deputy CMO during the pandemic, has been appointed to the role of CMO under this government, an appointment the coalition supports, in recognition of his strong contribution to the pandemic response.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Provisions contained in the bill also create significant concerns around transparency and freedom of information. In October last year, the minister for health, the Hon. Mark Butler MP, alleged that a lack of transparency had driven a decline in trust. Despite this clear recognition from the minister, the bill goes out of its way to prevent information from being made public. While the government claims the CDC's advice will be published by default, the fine print tells a far different story. The director-general will have extraordinarily broad powers to withhold information, including any advice they consider might cause unreasonable risk or harm, or any other government processes. These are vague and subjective terms that could be used to withhold almost any piece of information the government finds inconvenient to be publicly released. There are no clear appeal rights, no existing oversight, no external oversight and no guarantee that the public or the parliament will ever see any advice underpinning critical health decisions. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is not transparency. This is yet another attack on transparency from a government that wants to put accountability behind the paywall with its proposed new changes to the Freedom of Information Act as a truth tax. The bill also raises concerns about privacy and data sharing. Under clause 67, the director-general can issue a data-sharing declaration that overrides normal policy protections. While this may be necessary in a serious public health emergency, there are no clear safeguards against government overreach, no independent oversight and no limits on which of the agencies can receive this data. The director-general of the CDC will also chair the centre's advisory council, effectively advising themselves. Multiple stakeholders have rightly pointed out that this structure contradicts best practice and invites conflicts of interest. These are just a few of the many issues the opposition will pursue during the Senate inquiry.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We want to understand how this CDC will operate, how it will improve pandemic preparedness and how it will interact with the existing public-health architecture that already serves Australia well. Let us not forget Australia ranked second in the world for pandemic and epidemic preparedness in 2021 according to the Johns Hopkins's Global Health Security Index. Our pandemic response was described internationally as gold standard. The coalition supports efforts to enhance our preparedness, but we must do so recognising that our existing framework was world leading.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It remains for the government to explain how the US-style CDC will improve Australia's approach and add value to our existing structure. Labor has had five years to make the case for this policy, and they have still failed to do so. Now they are attempting to ram through this policy in five minutes. Until these critical questions are answered, the coalition cannot support the establishment of the US-style CDC, which has been designed in secrecy, shielded from transparency, designated very significant powers and assigned an unclear role within the existing structure of our health system.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Therefore, the opposition will not support these bills in the House in light of these unresolved concerns and prior to the full Senate inquiry into the bill, which is critical to understanding how the proposed CDC will operate. The Austrian people deserve confidence that their public-health institutes are effective, transparent and accountable. They do not need additional layers of security and bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy. For these reasons, the opposition will be voting against the Australian Centre for Disease Control Bill 2025 and the Australian Centre for Disease Control (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2025 in the House, and we will continue to call on the government to hold a hearing into these bills to provide answers.</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2243</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Freelander, Mike MP</name>
                <name.id>265979</name.id>
                <electorate>Macarthur</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="265979" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr FREELANDER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Macarthur</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:52</span>):  I am back almost in black to talk about something that I am very fond of, and that is the ACDC. I am thunderstruck that the opposition would even think to criticise our health policy since they have had none for a number of years. Some of the comments by the opposition then are just not true. Hells bells, who made who? Money talks, and we are putting money in front of the Australian Centre for Disease Control. Are you ready for it? It will be great. We as a government will walk all over you, the opposition, in health policy any day of the week.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I speak on the Australian Centre for Disease Control Bill 2025 and I thank the minister for introducing such a vital piece of legislation to our national health policy and national health security. The Australian Centre for Disease Control Bill is our government's considered response, after much consultation, to the unprecedented challenges of the 2019 coronavirus pandemic, a crisis for which we were not adequately prepared and whose repercussions we continue to feel today and will continue to feel for many years. I was a member of the NHMRC advisory committee, one of the two politicians appointed to that committee by health minister Greg Hunt during the pandemic, the other being my very good friend member of the opposition Katie Allen, and I wish her well as she goes through a number of health challenges now.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We saw firsthand how our response lacked information and resilience during the pandemic. We did very well—it's true—but it wasn't perfect, and there were a number of difficulties we had to overcome during the pandemic and in how things could have been improved. What it did demonstrate was that we did need a centre for disease control—an Australian version, not a repeat of the American version, which has its own challenges. We saw from how our country fared during the pandemic that we have amazing health resources, but we needed an efficient way of bringing them all together and a way of making sure that that information could be delivered to the government in a timely fashion and that responses could be considered and made appropriately. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">COVID-19 was an unforeseen pandemic, and our existing frameworks, which were primarily designed for viruses like influenza, exposed critical vulnerabilities in our national response. This included not only deficiencies in medical stockpile supplies but a lack of coordination, a lack of data sharing, an overstretched aged and healthcare system and inconsistent responses between federal and state government directives. I saw that firsthand in immunisation policy.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I will give credit where credit is due. I do believe that the Morrison government, and Scott Morrison himself, made some critical decisions that were very important in our initial COVID-19 response—the closure of the borders. Even though he did it reluctantly, he did it quickly. It led to a significant gain in time to get our responses in order. It was a real tribute to health workers around Australia, and I give credit to them now, as I have since that time, for their resilience, their cooperation and their ability to change policy and change their work practices very quickly—unfortunately, in some cases, not quickly enough. We know, in the aged-care places, that there were some absolute tragedies—the spread of infection without adequate infection control and without the ability to remove infected patients from aged care quickly enough. There were certainly inconsistencies around immunisation response, but, as I say, I give credit where credit is due, and I think that the responses of Greg Hunt and then prime minister Scott Morrison were pretty good overall. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our CDC is set to commence operations on 1 January 2026, and I certainly look forward to it. The Centre for Disease Control will be a transparent, trusted and independent body, and it will strengthen Australia's public health capability, enhance pandemic preparedness and safeguard the health and wellbeing of all Australians. We found that, during the pandemic, there were certainly some very vulnerable populations, particularly in groups such as our Indigenous population, our CALD communities and communities with long distances between them and healthcare facilities. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Establishing a centre for disease control reflects a core election commitment and delivers on key recommendations from the <span style="font-style:italic;">COVID-19 </span><span style="font-style:italic;">response inquiry report</span>, the inquiry for which was led by independent panel members Robyn Kruk AO, Professor Catherine Bennett and Dr Angela Jackson. This inquiry warned that another pandemic is inevitable, although its timing and nature remain unknown. That is why Australia must be prepared, and readiness must now begin. One of the most prominent and widely supported recommendations of the inquiry was the creation of a national centre for disease control, which will serve as a central hub for surveillance, data collection, evidence based guidance and risk assessment, helping to ensure a more coordinated, informed and timely response to emerging public health threats. This is what we are delivering. This aligns Australia with its international counterparts such as Singapore, Canada, the United States, the United Kingdom and other European nations, where they already have dedicated national public health institutions. The absence of such an institution during the COVID-19 pandemic did place Australia at a disadvantage. The new ACDC will position us to lead, not lag, in global health preparedness. It will also help with our neighbours in the developing world, and this is a very important consideration, considering what happened in some of our neighbouring countries.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The new CDC will operate as an independent agency. While still under the portfolio of health, the CDC will operate without ministerial direction, a structure designed to build trust, safeguard scientific integrity and deliver public health advice based solely on evidence. That means the evidence the CDC gathers and gives to government will not be conditional on what the government wants to hear. I want to stress that, and that is really important. Unfortunately we are seeing now in the United States that health policy is being delivered by people who are not qualified to give health policy, and people long trusted in the American system are now being ignored. Populism has really taken over from true health policy and science. We don't want that to happen in Australia, and that's why this part of the legislation is really important. The CDC has to be independent of political interference.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The centre will bring together a diverse range of professionals, including epidemiologists, data scientists, public health researchers and population health experts, and we do have them in Australia. We saw that during the pandemic. We need to bring them together so they can deliver timely advice to the government. We did that with the NHMRC scientific panel, of which I was a member during the pandemic, and we need to ensure what we are doing and the policies the CDC gives us are grounded in rigorous evidence based knowledge shaped by science and shaped by the best possible available insights. What the centre will do—beyond advising federal, state and territory ministers on public health matters—is extend the expertise to Commonwealth entities, international agencies and non-government organisations, and they all played a critical role in the pandemic. It will also play a critical role in building public awareness around health threats and equipping Australians with the knowledge and tools needed to reduce the risk of illness, morbidity and mortality.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As a trusted and authoritative source of public health advice, the centre will provide clear evidence based information to the general public, health professionals and governments across the country. The centre will be empowered to provide expert advice in the most effective ways to manage all forms of disease, including leading national efforts on disease surveillance and monitoring, public health coordination and the development of response protocols. It will provide real-time data analysis, develop consistent national guidance, support outbreak investigation and help coordinate rapid responses to emerging health threats, ensuring Australia is better prepared and more resilient in future health emergencies.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We did make some mistakes during the pandemic and really only realised some of them in retrospect. I think one of the things we did that caused long-term harm was school closures, and they could have been much better thought through if we'd had proper evidence based policy around that. Air quality is another issue we should be thinking about, very importantly, in disease management, particularly for airborne and droplet-spread viruses such as COVID-19 but even things like influenza and some of the new and evolving respiratory viruses, of which there are many. Certainly in my field of paediatrics we are seeing new respiratory viruses evolve all the time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To support the initiative and growth in the CDC the government has committed $251 million to establish and operate the centre, with ongoing funding of $73 million allocated from 2028-29. While we need the centre now, we are also ensuring the success, sustainability, functionality and viability, allowing for its adaptation and evolution with our national needs, and that may include in the future looking at non-infectious diseases but also long-term public health threats such as obesity, type II diabetes and other public health issues. This bill is an opportunity for the CDC to deliver a more modern approach to national public health data to enable more accurate and faster detection of risks, more consistent response across borders and a strong foundation for pandemic planning and management in the future.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The CDC will not duplicate existing work across governments but will complement and enhance national capacity through high-quality reporting and advising. We'll use state resources as well in our universities, research centres and hospitals. It will mean that we are able to respond faster and smarter to emerging threats. I saw this in my own hospitals during the pandemic, with not just equipment but understanding that there may be other treatments that can be used—some were not useful. We needed to be much more resilient and much more responsive to using new treatments as the evidence accumulated, and we were slow in some instances in doing that. We did fall down a little in some of our testing protocols and also, I think, in the use of our antivirals—with difficulty for many people to obtain antiviral treatments at the beginning of the disease when they are most effective. So I think that there are lots of things the CDC will be looking at.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The director-general will also be taking on roles such as those listed under the Biosecurity Act, the National Health Security Act and the National Occupational Respiratory Disease Registry Act, which is a fitting and resourceful thing to do. It's important that the director-general and the CDC do have oversight of the issues. The establishment of an advisory council to support the director-general adds an additional layer of expert oversight and strategic guidance. By drawing on a diverse mix of professionals, the council will guarantee the centre's advice and actions are grounded in the latest science, are responsive to the needs of different population groups and reflect a range of sector perspectives.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In the last minute or so left to me I just want to say to the coalition that I wish you were on board with this. This is a piece of legislation, something that you should be supporting in a bipartisan manner. I'm not going to lecture you about this, but one of the great things that Greg Hunt—the previous health minister—did during the pandemic was try to get us to adopt a bipartisan approach, and, for the most part, we did. The fact that you are opposing this legislation from the very beginning is a real travesty, and it's a real reflection of your lack of understanding of health policy. I really wish you would take this on board, from the bottom of my heart. This is something that is really important to me. It's really important to this parliament. It's really important to this country. And if you can find it in yourselves to take on board this legislation to support the CDC, it will make a huge difference to the health policy in this country.</span>
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                <name role="metadata">Wilson, Tim MP</name>
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                <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TIM WILSON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Goldstein</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:07</span>):  I want to follow on from the remarks in the member for Macarthur's speech—erudite. I want to make it clear how much respect I have for the member for Macarthur. We came into parliament together in 2016. I went walkabout for three years, but he has always, I thought, served the parliament extremely well. Obviously we have a difference of opinion occasionally with how we vote, but his contributions in this chamber—particularly on matters related to the context of health care—have always added substance. He's actually lacked a partisanship, because I think he's motivated from a heartfelt and genuinely sincere place. I say that, genuinely and sincerely, from the bottom of my heart as well. So I take everything he has just said on board with sincerity and the good spirits in which it's intended.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Nobody who's debating this legislation starts from a position of arguing against the importance of preparation around health care, making sure that we have access to services, containment of diseases or, of course, protection of the Australian public. I'm sure he's not suggesting anything along those lines or an unwillingness to focus on disease control. How best we do that, though, in terms of legislation, the institutions we build and the powers they have is an enormously important part of the framework, particularly because—as the member for Macarthur correctly identified—it comes off the back of a period in which there has been, let's say, an elevated level of distrust from a large section of the Australian community about how powers have been used and/or abused in recent years.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Being from the great state of Victoria myself, I watched as our state government lied to the people of Victoria. When I say 'lied', I mean they explicitly lied and said that there was evidence as the basis and justification. They used the case of expert evidence which never existed to shut down, silence people, lock people in their homes, impose a curfew and bully children and families for two years and refuse to adapt and adjust. I fully understand that there is a need to have evolutionary policy to address the challenges of health care. But I can tell you one thing—some of us are deeply sceptical of the idea of a starting point where we just get together people who through a different basis of argument are declared experts and who then declare emergencies and the job of the Australian people is to suddenly conform. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It doesn't matter what the issue is. It doesn't even matter whether I agree with it or not. Democratic accountability and responsibility are a necessary part of the institutions of our democracy. But it's not just that; it's also so that people can be held accountable because the member for Macarthur is right—we got things wrong during the pandemic. I don't just mean this in chamber; I also mean the state governments and their failure to adapt. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One of the greatest problems is how unwilling we as a nation have been to acknowledge some of those problems at different points, but there is no state where that has been more egregious than the great state of Victoria, which literally bullied Victorian citizens into compliance and control. Once upon a time you'd say the peak point of insanity in the state of Victoria was when—I say this politely and with the greatest respect to my fellow citizens—they re-elected the government that did that. But, actually, I'm wrong. The peak point of insanity in the state of Victoria was when our former premier decided to sidle up against the world's most horrific and egregious dictators and get happy snaps next to people like the President of Russia and Kim Jong Un. This is insanity. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is not a partisan point I'm seeking to prosecute. It is a point about control. One of the reasons why, at the core, people like me are Liberal is that we believe that people should be empowered to be able to make decisions about their lives. They should not have a situation where the government seeks to impose control over people's lives. I know the government whip has rushed in here against the idea of somebody daring to stand up against the idea of Labor Party control—using instruments of state to impose conformity onto people's lives and to bully people. How dare people raise that banner! But that is the reality—</span>
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                    <a href="201906" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Mr Young</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  Order! The member for Lalor?</span>
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                    <a href="249224" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Ryan:</span>
                    </a>  On a point of order, could the member be directed to speak to the legislation.</span>
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                    <span class="HPS-OfficeInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</span>  Yes—if the member can steer back that way. In general terms, I think he is being loosely relevant. If you can bring yourself back there, the House would appreciate it. </span>
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                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TIM WILSON:</span>
                    </a>  I can assure you, Deputy Speaker Young, I'm definitely being relevant where we have institutions of state that have been established and other institutions that the government wishes to establish to give themselves large amounts of power to use as justification to control Australians' lives. That's part of the legislative framework of what they're putting forward. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">All I'm doing is simply looking at historical precedent of how those things have been abused and how members on the other side of this chamber applauded that every step of the way and condemned anybody who at any point has stood up to challenge or question their authority. We have just heard that from the whip when I dared raise questions about the despicable conduct and behaviour that occurred during that period, where we saw children denied education under the banner, without any evidence, which caused mental scars and long-term or lifelong mental health damage because some experts declared that they knew better than everybody else. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I understand it was difficult, but one of the biggest problems was the complete and utter failure of the so-called experts to be able to adapt, evolve or acknowledge that they got some things wrong. We heard recently from the former chief medical officer of Victoria that, in fact, there wasn't a lively evidentiary base, but that certainly wasn't how it was presented to the people of Victoria at that time. What we actually needed from the public health community at that time was a little bit of humility—for them to acknowledge that they got something wrong and to actually take the public with them and persuade them.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">And yes, sometimes I'm raising my voice about this. I tell you what—no matter what you said at that time, people were bullied and silenced if they dared to speak up. In fact, some people were even shot with rubber bullets, simply because they dared to have a contrarian view. So yes, people were angry. And some people are still angry, because they were never heard and they were never listened to.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Government members interjecting</span>—</span>
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                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TIM WILSON:</span>
                    </a>  I hear some of the Labor members from New South Wales, who weren't even experiencing the full consequences of it and who don't seem to understand just how much Victorians despise the treatment they received.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It is just like so many other areas of public health that this Labor government continues to completely ignore. We currently have a situation where we have organised crime gangs that pick up Molotov cocktails and throw them at small businesses, under the banner that we should be able to tax products into perpetuity, so those products become a direct incentive to fuel organised crime under the banner of public health. But apparently we can't challenge that or question that. Well, sorry—welcome to reality. We're going to challenge it, we're going to question it. We're actually going to say, 'No, there are other principles at play, and you can't just have control; you can't just dictate to us how we're going to live our lives.' We live in a free society. We're going to stand up. We're going to speak for ourselves. We're going to make sure that the institutions are here to stand up for our freedom and for our rights to be able to live our lives. We will not simply conform to whatever the Labor Party wants. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When they establish new institutions, they go around trying to bully and intimidate Australians. We are not going to simply sit back and take it any longer, because some of these Australians live the full consequences of the bullying and the intimidation, not just by the Victorian government but by other state governments at the time. So yes, people are passionate, people are proud, and people are absolutely going to stand up, and we will not be afraid to keep fighting.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When it comes to this legislation, we're looking at it and saying, 'You haven't made the case.' The Labor Party hasn't made the case. They get up here and want to lecture everybody. They don't want to listen. They're not interested in the genuine, serious and deep concerns about trust that exist within the community. They're not interested in understanding why there is a deep concern about making sure legislation goes through proper consultation, proper engagement, to build trust where trust has been broken. And they were core to the problems of breaking that trust. They're not interested in understanding why some sections of the Australian community want to know what steps are going to be taken, not just now but into the future, to rebuild the trust that was destroyed at that time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Without ambiguity, I think there's a lot of work that needs to be done across the entirety of the Australian community in terms of addressing those problems of trust, because it is important. We need public health experts and health experts to inform public policy. But we also need elected officials to take responsibility and have accountability, and that's what we haven't had. That's why so many Australians are upset and angry and will continue to be so, because of that lack of transparency and that lack of honesty. We had politicians deceive the Victorian community and use the banner of public health as the basis on which to engage in that deceit.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">They have since acknowledged it, fessed up and told the Victorian people that they lied, and we have since had the former chief medical officer of Victoria say, 'We didn't really have any evidence to substantiate that.' I remember at the time I challenged the Premier of Victoria, Dan Andrews, saying, 'There's no evidentiary basis, and it's a violation of people's human rights to impose a curfew.' He said, 'Well I'm interested in human life, not human rights.' There is no evidentiary basis. He just lied to you—the Australian people, the Victorian people. That's all that happened. The Victorian government lied to the people and bullied them into their homes. So, yes—it directly links. Some of the members are asking, 'How does it link to this legislation?' When it comes down to it, the Labor Party wants another artifice where they can declare emergencies and justify the imposition of controls to be able to dictate people's lives.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We're simply reminding you of the historical precedence—the things Labor members want to and have run interference on before. I'm sorry—this is where your history and your past catch up with you, members of the Labor Party. It's the point at which people come to realise that, when you have deceived the Victorian and the Australian communities in the past over your misconduct and abused the trust of the Victorian and the Australian people, people then don't trust you on these issues in the future. You, Labor, are the active underminers of public trust in public health. Labor are the active underminers of trust in making sure that we stop things like organised crime. Labor use public health every step of the way as a weapon to try and impose conformity and control because that is central to their playbook. It's central to how they approach public policy.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Every artifice of the state has only one purpose, which is to manipulate and control people's lives, because that is central to what they want to do—impose conformity. I end where I started with the member for Macarthur. I don't doubt for second the member for Macarthur's sincerity. I think he's a fundamentally good man. And I start of by at least acknowledging—unlike the members complaining on the other side of this chamber right now—he started by acknowledging that things were wrong during the pandemic, just like I have, and good on him for doing so. taken the millions McCarthy, I think is a fundamentally good man and I stay off my lease acknowledging unlike the members complaining on the other side of the chamber right now, he started by acknowledging that things were wrong during the pandemic. Just like I am. And good on him for doing so.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="248181" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Claydon:</span>
                    </a>  You were in charge!</span>
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                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TIM WILSON:</span>
                    </a>  Absolutely. Members are saying, 'You were in charge.' At the federal level it was a coalition government. I don't think they got everything right, just to be clear, and I made that clear at the time. I also think that's true at the state level. The difference is that I've got the guts to admit it to some of the members opposite, whereas they don't have the guts to admit on their own side their criticisms of the Labor Party. That's the difference. To the credit of the member for Macarthur, he has the guts to admit it. That's the difference. A bit of humility wouldn't go astray. A bit of honesty wouldn't go astray if you wish to rebuild trust. But instead what we've had is the constant lecturing, the constant intimidation, the constant attacks, the constant deception and the exposition of lies. At the heart of what Labor wants to do is weaponise every single part of the artifice of the state to control people's lives, and that is why they have destroyed trust around public health. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.</span>
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                    <a href="248181" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms CLAYDON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Newcastle</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Deputy Speaker</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:22</span>):  We certainly won't be taking a lecture from the member for Goldstein on disease control in this country after that astonishingly rude outburst defaming all kinds of people and using parliamentary privilege to say what he wouldn't dare say outside of this chamber. But that's his style. I would like to really move to the substance of the bill before us, because, unlike the member for Goldstein, I will be relevant to the bill that is before the House this evening.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I rise to speak in very strong support of the Australian Centre for Disease Control (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2025. This is by no means a dry, technical bill. It's a vital piece of foundational architecture that will underpin our nation's capacity to protect lives, manage public health risks and ensure that Australia is better prepared for the next pandemic or health emergency. And why wouldn't every government in Australia want to be on a path of continuous improvement? That is the ambition of the Albanese Labor government. It is true that the Morrison government didn't get everything right. I'm sure there are governments at all levels across Australia that have reflected on the time of the global pandemic, and it is precisely a centre for disease control which many experts from Australia asked for.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'll come to that a little bit later on. But let's begin by acknowledging that the time for complacency is well and truly over. The lessons of the COVID-19 pandemic remain fresh in our minds, and the recommendations of the COVID-19 response inquiry are unequivocal. Australia must build institutional capacity and clarity in public health decision-making so that we are never again caught without a playbook. The inquiry noted several significant gaps in dataflows, in coordination across jurisdictions and in public trust. This consequential and transitional provisions bill is a key bridge between where we stand now and a more robust, resilient future.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Some may regard this bill as a mere technical fix to the principal Australian Centre for Disease Control Bill, but, in fact, these supporting provisions that I just spoke of are utterly essential. Without them, the legislative framework would be incomplete, roles and responsibilities would be unclear, statutory functions would remain stranded in legacy legislation and the transition to the new Centre for Disease Control would be chaotic. So this bill ensures that the existing public health functions now in the Department of Health, Disability and Ageing, under the Commonwealth Chief Medical Officer or under other bodies are properly migrated to the Centre for Disease Control director-general; that the machinery-of-government changes proceed smoothly, with documents, records and responsibilities transferred in an orderly way, including preserving continuity of existing arrangements while the new agency is bedded in; that conflicting overlapping of legislation is reconciled; and that appropriate exemptions and protections are preserved—for example, in the Freedom of Information Act—so that protected information under the Centre for Disease Control bill is handled carefully.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These are not mere housekeeping matters; they are important scaffolding upon which a trusted, effective and legally coherent centre for disease control will stand. Let us not lose sight of the ultimate goal here. The establishment of the standalone statutory Australian Centre for Disease Control is a transformational reform. It's one that a Labor government will very, very proudly stand up to defend in this parliament. Until now, Australia has lacked a truly national expert public health agency with clearly conferred powers and independence. Indeed, prior to this, Australia was the only OECD country without a centre for disease control style national body. Let me repeat that—Australia was the only OECD country not to have a centre for disease control style national body.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This gap has hampered coordination across the state and territories, its limited agility in response and it's made central leadership in health and medical agencies less effective. If ever we needed an example of where we needed to have that kind of national leadership, it was during COVID. Those of us in the national parliament at the time remember very clearly the need for such leadership.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Under this bill, the new Centre for Disease Control will have functions to collect, analyse and share critical public health information and data; advise and communicate with governments, health agencies and the public; develop and publish guidelines, statements and standards; conduct or commission awareness, education and prevention campaigns; and serve as a conduit for Australia's obligations under international health law. In short, the Centre for Disease Control will be the nucleus of public health leadership. It will be accountable, transparent and expert driven.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">So it'd be astonishing for anybody in this House to stand up and oppose this bill, to vote against such an important, critical, transformative legislative framework that will deliver good public health leadership and outcomes. I really call on members opposite to think carefully, to remember what it was like in this national parliament at a time when we needed to be able to pull all of those levers together. Let's not be caught next time there is a pandemic without a national body like the Centre for Disease Control. This is a time for this parliament to really show some good leadership from all sides and stand behind important public health initiatives in the national interest. It's a bill that everybody in this parliament should be getting behind, and I absolutely commend this bill to the House and look forward to speaking on it at a later time. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Debate adjourned.</span>
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    </debate>
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      <debateinfo>
        <title>ADJOURNMENT</title>
        <page.no>2249</page.no>
        <type>ADJOURNMENT</type>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">ADJOURNMENT</span>
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              <span style="font-weight:bold;">The SPEAKER:</span>  It being 7.30 pm, I propose the question:</span>
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            <span class="HPS-Small">That the House do now adjourn.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Energy</title>
          <page.no>2249</page.no>
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        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Energy</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2249</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Young, Terry MP</name>
              <name.id>201906</name.id>
              <electorate>Longman</electorate>
              <party>LNP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                  <a href="201906" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr YOUNG</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Longman</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Second Deputy Speaker</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:30</span>):  One of the hottest topics at the moment in the electorate of Longman, which I proudly serve, is energy. The conversations are extremely varied, as is what matters to people when it comes to energy. For some, the priority is the environmental aspect; for others, it's about the reliability and guarantee of supply. But, for most, it is the cost. This diverse range of concerns tells me what most people already know. The energy plan for our country must be balanced and address these three issues of concern: affordability, environment and reliability. </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">As a layman in the energy sector, like most members and senators in this place, I rely on data and reports from experts to form my views. This is also difficult because people with similar qualifications and reputations can have very different reports, data and opinions. That's not to mention that I will often not know what financial interests, if any, these people and organisations have that may affect the reports that they prepare. More and more, it seems to me, less and less of the information I receive is based on facts and science, and, more and more, it becomes about ideology and emotion. This makes our jobs in this place very difficult, but it is an issue that we must address as best as we can. </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">When I speak to my constituents, the majority, but not all, want to see the decarbonisation of our energy grid at some stage. The time that they will expect for that to take place in varies greatly, but one thing that doesn't vary much is that most don't want to pay any more for their energy for this to happen, mainly because they simply don't have the money in their already stretched household budgets to do so. The current government is putting all our eggs in the renewables-only basket to achieve decarbonisation. Before politics, I thought this sounded reasonable; however, now I've had the opportunity to dig deeper, my view on this has changed. I do believe renewables have a place, especially in household rooftop solar, even though there are concerns around their disposal at end of life and around damaged panels leaking pretty nasty stuff like cadmium, lead and the like into our home water tanks for us to consume. But every energy source has challenges it must overcome. Long before politics, I had, and I still have, rooftop solar, as I believe that we all have a personal responsibility to play our own part, however small, in ensuring our environment is protected for future generations. </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">But I wanted answers on the environmental and financial costs of the large-scale renewable projects the current government are spending billions of taxpayer dollars on right now. Last week I had the pleasure of seeing a presentation by Steven Nowakowski from Rainforest Reserves on the truth of large-scale renewable projects around the country. Steven is a former Greens party member and candidate who isn't afraid to ask questions about the detriments of large-scale renewables such as wind and solar. Steve showed the audience photographs and video footage of the damage being done by these projects to the environment—to the flora and fauna of Australia's bushland. We saw before and after photos of how thousands of hectares of trees and bushland were cleared not only to install wind turbines but for access roads for vehicles to get to these turbines for maintenance. </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Steve has also, for the first time after years of gathering data which has been intentionally suppressed, provided a real, albeit conservative, cost of the renewables-only pathway. That number is frightening: $1.3 trillion. That's right, $1.3 trillion. Again, this cost is not from the coalition, but an independent conservation group led by a former Greens candidate. That is almost four times the $340 billion cost of nuclear to achieve decarbonisation. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Steve also pointed out these alarming facts. This government's plan will require 31,000 wind turbine towers, which is six times the current national number, to be replaced every 20 years, operating 25 to 35 per cent of the time. It will require 28,000 kilometres of high voltage transmission lines, which is longer than a lap around the equator, and 7,800 kilometres of undersea cabling that will cut through fragile marine habitats. There will be 44,000 kilometres of new haulage roads, longer than Australia's coastline, and 584 million solar panels, covering 443,755 hectares, an area larger than metropolitan Sydney, to be replaced every 25 years, operating 18 to 25 per cent of the time. This extra cost simply has to be passed on to the consumer through higher power prices, which is what we are seeing right now, with real energy costs increasing by over 30 per cent over the last couple of years, and there will simply be more increases to come. This is just unavoidable. I want to encourage all Australians who want the truth about energy to include rainforest reserves in their research.</span>
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        </speech>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Member For Hughes</title>
          <page.no>2250</page.no>
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        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Member For Hughes</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2250</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Moncrieff, David MP</name>
              <name.id>316540</name.id>
              <electorate>Hughes</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="316540" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr MONCRIEFF</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hughes</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:35</span>):  A few weeks ago, I was proud to welcome the Minister for Education to Sutherland to open the first Hughes electorate office of a Labor member in 29 years. I was also very honoured to share the occasion with the previous Labor member for Hughes, Robert Tickner, and we were fortunate enough to be joined by Aunty Dolly, who gave a welcome to country, and Brendan from Jindama, who performed a smoking ceremony. Smoking ceremonies have been used for thousands of years to cleanse people and places of bad spirits and to treat sickness. They're an important way of connecting to country, land and waters. Several attendees commented to me about how deeply they were moved by the ceremony. I want to thank Aunty Dolly and Brendan for all that they added to the day.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">I was also pleased to welcome other members of this place, including the members for Cunningham, Chifley, Werriwa, Barton, Banks and Reid. I also welcomed Sutherland shire mayor, Councillor Jack Boyd, Councillor Peter Tsambalas, Councillor Diedree Steinwall, Councillor Masood Chowdhury and former member for Miranda Barry Collier. I took the opportunity to thank those true believers who stood on polling booths during the darkest days of Labor in Hughes, who kept the flame alive at times when winning the seat felt impossible. I especially want to thank those who put their hands up to be Labor candidates during those years: David Hill, Christine Hawkins, Greg Holland, Brent Thomas, the late Alison McGarrity, Diedree Steinwall and Riley Campbell.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to thank the hundreds who helped out during 2025 Hughes campaign, including Trevor Romer, Peter Skaysbrook, Greg Paltar, Masud Parvez, Masood Chowdhury, Ash Rahman, John Goodwin, Judith Dark, Rafiq Islam, Stuart Munn, Geoff Kornfield, Raine Kornfield, Bruce Hanna, Anthony Duff, Thomas Duff, Mick Maroney, Jen McDonald, Julia Yi, Akram Al-Nashi, Susan Al-Nashi, Joy Pogson, Greg Williams, Sazzad Siddique, Paul Zeller, Munna Arman, Lisa Schaeper, Kaiser Ahmed, Graham Waters, Diren Gokal, Robin Williams, Parvez Khan, Colette Duff, Peter Moore, Muhammad Kamal, Maryanne Stuart, Kerrie Shearston, Faruque Talukder, Denis Fitzgerald, Linda Doherty, Josh Miller, Jasper Squire, Greg McLean, Basil Prasad, Ayse Paltarr, Anne-Marie Volkens, Amit Kumar Chauhan, Altaf Howlader, Tunga Nath Kharel, Terese Atkinson, Peter Beck, Olivia Beck, Stacey Way, Shirley Yan, Seraj Khan, Sarah Ferraro, Rob Pinkerton, Peter Kefalas, Noman Shamin, Nick Tamp, Liliam Thai, Nathan McMillan, Mustafizur Talukder, Mike Harrington, Lins Scaysbrook, Julia Angrisano, Jim Harding, Isaac Husarek, David Nash, Damien Anderson, Carla Fitzgerald, Carl Rescei, Ali Paltar, Abdul Rauf, Warren Smith, Bridget Holmes, Ray McAlistar, Purabi Bose, Peter Tsambalas, Momen Khan, Mick Sutton, Maxine Broughton, Lyn Severino, Kyistel Tay, Kieran Crumlin, June Brown, John Arthur, Jann and Pete New, Ian Taylor, Greg Skinner, Glenn Pritchard, Callum Tsambalas, Ryan Carson, Alex Sanchez, Alex McMahon, Adam Munn, Abdullah Al Mamun, Sarah Kaine, Darcy Lound, Dawn Emerson, Robert Megarrity, Sky Romer, Lindsay Lin, Linda Schofield-Olsen, Anne Kelly, Dom Fitzgibbon, Angela Sidoti, Aiden Hines, Frank Crawford and Michael Harrow. This is not an extensive list. There were so many others who helped out on the 2025 campaign and on the many campaigns that preceded it to whom I and the Labor Party in Hughes are so grateful. We could not have done it without you.</span>
              </p>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">My office is now open to the people of Hughes. It is there to represent everyone from right across the diverse communities that make up our electorate. I continue to be so grateful to the people of Hughes for placing their trust in me and giving me the opportunity to serve. I look forward to spending this term doing all that I can to get the best for our community.</span>
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        </speech>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>VicRoads</title>
          <page.no>2250</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">VicRoads</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2250</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Tehan, Dan MP</name>
              <name.id>210911</name.id>
              <electorate>Wannon</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="210911" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TEHAN</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Wannon</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:39</span>):  The ABC had a very interesting article online last Friday. What they did was put in an FOI request to the Victorian state government about how many claims had been lodged with the department of transport by those people who'd driven through potholes or across rough edges of roads or through parts where the pavement has just deteriorated beyond belief and how many of those claims had actually resulted in settlement. You know the Victorian state government talks a lot about transparency and how they are very keen to make sure those people who might be impacted by the deteriorating roads can put in these claims.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Yet thanks to the ABC last Friday what we found out was 1,709 claims had been put in. These were notices lodged. That's people who have seen rims damaged or broken, tyres torn up or even worse damage to their cars who have taken the effort to say, 'This was not my fault; this was your fault, VicRoads, Victorian state government, and I want to lodge a claim so I can get some compensation for that.' Guess how many resulted in a settlement? Twenty-three—1,709 claims went in, and 23 resulted in a settlement. If you want to hear that in percentage figures, that's 1.3 per cent. What a miserable, miserable government, seriously. People damaged their cars, their vehicles, their rims and their tyres because you will not fix the roads. You say to them, 'If damage is done, put in for a claim.' They go to that effort, and what you do is settle 1.3 per cent. No wonder Victorians have had enough of this Victorian state Labor government.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Over two-thirds of the hazards that form the basis of the claims across the notices—that's 73 per cent—were described as pavement or surface defects. Because they were described as pavement or surface defects, they said, 'Sorry, your claim does not resonate.' How does that make any sense? The roads deteriorate beyond belief, and people drive over them and have their cars seriously damaged, yet they come back and say, 'Sorry, we're not paying you out, because this is a pavement or surface defect.' That's what the claims are meant to be there for, when the Victorian state government haven't done their job, haven't fixed the roads properly—when you have potholes everywhere. That's what it's there for, yet they didn't. For 69 per cent of claims VicRoads said it was not liable to pay out a compensation claim at all.</span>
              </p>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">When the ABC put to the Victorian state government, 'What is your response to this?' they didn't have one. All they talked about was a $976 million road maintenance budget for 2025-26. Let's hope they actually put that money into fixing roads, they do it quickly, and they do it in such a way that, after the next shower of rain, we're not dealing with faulty pavements again so people aren't putting in any more claims. In that report they say they're going to look at the Princes Highway West and they're going to look at the Western Highway as part of this road maintenance blitz. I say to the Victorian state government, 'Get on with it,' and I also say to them, 'If you're going to have a claims system, it needs to be serious, you need to be upfront with people and, if they're going to go to the time and effort to put that claim in, you've got to do better than dismissing the majority of claims with nefarious excuses and only delivering on 1.3 per cent of them.' It's a disgrace, and it's why you deserve to be voted out.</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Richmond Football Club</title>
          <page.no>2251</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Richmond Football Club</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2251</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Witty, Sarah MP</name>
              <name.id>316660</name.id>
              <electorate>Melbourne</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="316660" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms WITTY</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Melbourne</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:44</span>):  For years <span style="font-style:italic;">The Footy Show</span> told us that footy is more than a game, and, for those of us who follow the mighty Richmond Football Club, that couldn't be more true, because for Richmond footy is not just about what happens between the sirens; it's about people, it's about place and it's about community. Recently, I had the privilege of visiting the redevelopment of Punt Road Oval, the heart and home of the Tigers for more than 135 years. Anyone who's ever stood on that patch of ground feels the energy of generations of Tigers. It's players, supporters, families and volunteers who have poured their hearts into the yellow and black.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">But this redevelopment is not about nostalgia; it's about the future for the club, for women's sport and for a very special group of kids. The project is the biggest infrastructure upgrade in the club's long history. The existing facilities simply didn't serve the needs of today's players, staff or fans. They included an ageing and unsafe grandstand and a playing surface that no longer meets elite standards. The vision for stage 1 is to create a home that truly reflects what the club stands for today: inclusion, equality and excellence. It will provide modern facilities for both men's and women's games, ensuring Richmond's AFLW team finally have a home that properly supports them, with the same high-performance resources and spaces that have long been standard for the men's game—or, as I like to say, the AFLM. The redevelopment will also welcome more supporters back into the ground through improved spectator spaces, better amenities and more accessible parking. It's about ensuring that every fan—young or old, local or visitor—feels proud and connected when they walk through those gates.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">But what really stands out, and what I want to shine a light on today, is Richmond's deep, genuine and enduring commitment to community. This is not a club that turns inward. Richmond looks outward to the people who have always supported it. One of the best examples of this commitment is the club's longstanding partnership with the Melbourne Indigenous Transition School, known as MITS. MITS, which proudly calls my electorate home, supports Indigenous students from remote and rural communities as they take the brave step of moving to Melbourne to study and build their futures. It's a place that provides not just education but belonging and not just a school but a second home, and that's what makes its partnership with Richmond so powerful. For the young people at MITS, having the Tigers in the same building means they have role models who look out for them—people who show them what's possible through hard work, teamwork and community spirit. And, for players and staff at Richmond, it's a two-way exchange. They learn from the students about culture, about country, about resilience and about pride. It's a partnership built on respect and mutual benefits.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">If stage 2 of the Punt Road redevelopment proceeds as planned, this partnership will grow even stronger. The club hopes to include new learning spaces for MITS students within the William Cooper Centre, named in honour of the legendary Yorta Yorta activist and leader. What a powerful statement that would be—a world-class sporting precinct that also houses a space dedicated to education, culture and opportunity for young Indigenous Australians.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">When I visited the staff and students at MITS, they spoke with enormous pride about their connection to Richmond Football Club. They know they are part of something special—something that celebrates their culture, supports their studies and welcomes them as part of the Richmond family. This is what 'more than a game' truly means. It's not just about a scoreboard; it's about the impact beyond the boundary line in classrooms, in communities and in the lives of young people finding their way in the city. It's about creating pathways. It's about honouring community.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">So to the Richmond Football Club, to MITS and to all the people working to make the vision a reality: thank you. Thank you for showing Australia what community leadership looks like. Thank you for showing us what 'more than a game' really is.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Scouts Victoria</title>
          <page.no>2252</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Scouts Victoria</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2252</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Wood, Jason MP</name>
              <name.id>E0F</name.id>
              <electorate>La Trobe</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
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              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="E0F" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr WOOD</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">La Trobe</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:49</span>):  I begin tonight by paying tribute to an outstanding leader in our community, Rod Byrnes, chief commissioner of Scouts Victoria, who will be concluding his remarkable term in February next year. Rod has led the state leadership team with his vision and integrity, comprising the deputy and five assistant chief commissioners. His deep passion for the venturer scout section, where he previously served as state commissioner, has shaped a generation of young leaders. Rod has represented Scouts Victoria at numerous national and international events, including the first Australian KISC visit, the New Zealand Venture 2019 and the World Scout Jamboree in that same year. His leadership of those contingent management teams exemplifies his commitment to youth development and global engagement.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Rod's vision has always been clear: to grow scouting in Victoria, to place youth at the centre of everything we do and to foster a culture where we bring our best selves to scouting every time. During the COVID pandemic, Rod led the organisation's response to COVID. He was instrumental in taking a significant decision, which was to waive membership fees for all young people at the cost of foregoing $8 million in fees. He also moved all programs online at no cost so young scouts could continue participating in programs and stay connected with friends at a time when everyone was under lockdown. In his professional life, Rod is a change manager, and it's no surprise that his impact on scouting has been transformative. Rod, thank you for your immense service. You leave behind an incredible legacy of inclusion and excellence and also, can I say, the upgrade of Gilwell Park.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I had the great privilege of actually being invited by Chief Commissioner Rod Byrnes to go up to Gilwell Park recently to congratulate the over 200 leaders who were receiving awards. To my surprise, I was presented the chief commissioner award by Rod Byrnes himself. I believe it was the only one that had been handed out for some time—a number of years. It was to recognise my longstanding support for scouting and my work with the community to secure funding for vital infrastructure and building upgrades to scout halls right across Australia.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I must let the cat out of the bag here. When John Howard was the Prime Minister, we called him the boss. I took a proposal to him to upgrade Ferny Creek Scout Hall to get some water tanks. The boss, as we know him and love him, couldn't hear from one of his ears—I forget which one—and he actually misheard what I said. He thought I said to upgrade the scout hall water tanks right across the country. So there we were at the centenary of scouting, where we made the announcement, and, just before the announcement, the boss said to me: 'Jason, I think we've got a problem. If we just give them water tanks, the scouts aren't going to have enough money to put in the guttering and the connecting pipes.' Just at the time, I'd put in guttering at my place, and I said, 'Boss, it costs $2,000.' So we quickly worked out how many scout halls were across the country and how much the cost would be for putting in the guttering at $2,000 and the water tanks, and we quickly made a $17 million announcement. I was very pleased with that.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I was also very honoured in a previous Liberal government to secure $5 million for the investment of Gilwell Park, the Victorian home of scouting. I will also thank and acknowledge Jon McGregor. He has done a fantastic job. The new toilet block and shower block are due for completion in six weeks. There are new huts to accommodate an additional 120 beds for community groups so the scouts can actually make money from other groups coming in to keep the facilities at the highest nature. There is a ninja warrior course, archery facilities and canoe-making stations to inspire adventure and skill building. There is the restoration—and this is so important—of the heritage listed Hoadley Hall, which will soon feature a 200-seat dining hall and commercial kitchen. These upgrades will make sure that Gilwell Park will continue to serve the community right into the future.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Finally, as a former Queen's Scout myself—and that's why I get the honour of going to so many scouting events—I understand with parents how difficult it is when it comes to fees, but I encourage them, when it comes to the scouts and the guides, to stick with them for the boys and girls, because it's a great way of building our leaders of the future. It gives them strength of character and leadership skills, and it helps get jobs for our young people.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
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          <title>Australia Post</title>
          <page.no>2253</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Australia Post</span>
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            <talker>
              <page.no>2253</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Ambihaipahar, Ash MP</name>
              <name.id>315618</name.id>
              <electorate>Barton</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
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                  <a href="315618" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms AMBIHAIPAHAR</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Barton</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:54</span>):  I rise tonight to speak on a matter of deep frustration, serious consequence and pressing urgency to my community—the closure of Australia Post offices in my electorate, particularly in Rockdale and Kingsgrove. As the member for Barton, I feel the weight of every constituent who has lost vital access, and I stand here demanding change in process and accountability by Australia Post. About a year ago, Australia Post shut the Rockdale post office, and today the Kingsgrove post office, very much a fixture of the community, has been officially closed. These are not just buildings being closed; these are community lifelines being severed with little warning, little explanation and no consultation.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me tell you of the human consequences. Older people and those with mobility challenges are being forced to travel farther or, worse, are unable to access postal, bill payment, identity or banking services altogether. In my electorate, many constituents who come from a culturally diverse backgrounds are reliant on face to face. That's very important for trusted services and such. Some have already told me that they are not comfortable with digital alternatives or to travel far. Local small businesses in close proximity to these post offices use the postal services for daily parcel supplies et cetera. Their operations have been disrupted, their costs are increasing, and they're facing inconvenience—for example, having to close their shops longer to go to another post office farther away. For many, it's not just a matter of convenience; it's also about equity. Those already disadvantaged lose further ground when essential access is taken away.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">What is most galling, what I cannot tolerate, is the opaque and top-down method that Australia Post is using to make these closures. We are repeatedly told that decisions are made on grounds of 'decline in foot traffic', which is essentially code for 'financial losses', which are shrouded by commercial in confidence. That has to change. We see a pattern—little or no warning, no transparent criteria, no genuine consultation and no accountability once a decision is made. If Australia Post wants licence to modernise, prioritise and evolve, that is understandable, but the public has the right to know. The community must be heard, and the decision-making must be transparent.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">I've taken this fight to the ground. I've door-knocked Kingsgrove, Rockdale and precincts around the post offices. I've spoken to senior residents, business owners and mothers doing errands at their local precincts, people who cannot afford extra travel. I have launched a petition, gathering signatures and stories. I want to also acknowledge the tireless advocacy of the Kingsgrove community centre, who have stood shoulder to shoulder with residents in raising their concerns and mobilising the community's voice, and also local resident Liwen Huan, who has also advocated. Their work is a testament to the strength of the local community, who refuse to let their community be ignored. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Enough is enough. Australia Post cannot continue to abandon suburbs such as Rockdale and Kingsgrove without warning, without reasons and without respect for the people who rely on them. First let me say that Rockdale has already taken one blow with the closure of its post office. Now, to add insult to injury, Australia Post is removing the post boxes from Rockdale as well. It is slowly dismantling essential services, piece by piece, decision by decision. It leaves residents furious, and rightly so. 'What's next?' they ask.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Here is what has to happen. We need to put a stop to any further closures or removals of post offices in Barton until proper community consultation is done. We need to publish the real reasons and criteria for these closures and removals, stop hiding behind 'commercial in confidence' as if the community doesn't deserve an explanation and hold open community meetings with residents, business owners, councils and local organisations, like Kingsgrove Community Centre. Bring the community along with the decision-making. It's not hard. Don't do it behind closed doors. Go back and review those closures for Rockdale and Kingsgrove. Were they justified? What has been the impact? Australia Post is operating like it's privatised and can quietly cut and run. It is a public service. It's a community anchor. The people of Barton—the older residents, the core community and small businesses—will not stand by while it's hollowed out. I call on Australia Post leadership to look my community in the eye and answer the simple question: are you here to serve the people or are you here to abandon them?</span>
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">House adjourned at 20:00</span>
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      <debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>2253</page.no>
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          <title>Presentation</title>
          <page.no>2253</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Presentation</span>
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              <span class="HPS-Normal">The following notices were given:</span>
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                <span style="font-weight:bold;">Ms Rishworth</span> to present a Bill for an Act to amend the <span style="font-style:italic;">Fair Work Act 2009</span>, and for related purposes. (<span style="font-style:italic;">Fair Work Amendment (Baby Priya's) Bill 2025</span>)</span>
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                <span style="font-weight:bold;">Mr Clare</span> to present a Bill for an Act to amend the law relating to education, overseas students and family assistance, and for related purposes. (<span style="font-style:italic;">Education Legislation Amendment (Integrity and Other Measures) Bill 2025</span>)</span>
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                <span style="font-weight:bold;">Ms Stanley</span> to move:</span>
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              <span class="HPS-Small">That this House:</span>
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              <span class="HPS-Small">(1) notes that 11 November 2025 marks the 50th anniversary of the removal of the Government of Prime Minister Whitlam; and</span>
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              <span class="HPS-Small">(2) acknowledges:</span>
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              <span class="HPS-Small">(a) the work of Professor Jenny Hocking to ensure that the historical events that happened at that time are documented;</span>
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              <span class="HPS-Small">(b) that the reforms of Prime Minister Whitlam's Government modernised Australian society and its economy; and</span>
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              <span class="HPS-Small">(c) the impact of Prime Minister Whitlam's policies continue to define Australia's political landscape.</span>
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                <span style="&#xA;    color:#FFFFFF;&#xA;  ">Federation Chamber</span>
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                <a href="" type="">Wednesday, 8 October 2025</a>
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                <span style="font-weight:bold;">The </span>
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                <span style="font-weight:bold;">(</span>
                <span style="font-weight:bold;">Ms Lawrence</span>
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                </span>took the chair at 09:30.</span>
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            <a href="Federation Chamber" type="">Wednesday, 8 October 2025</a>
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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">The </span>
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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">Ms Lawrence</span>
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            </span>took the chair at 09:30.</span>
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        <title>CONSTITUENCY STATEMENTS</title>
        <page.no>2255</page.no>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">CONSTITUENCY STATEMENTS</span>
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          <title>Lithgow Volunteer Rescue Association</title>
          <page.no>2255</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Lithgow Volunteer Rescue Association</span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2255</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Gee, Andrew MP</name>
              <name.id>261393</name.id>
              <electorate>Calare</electorate>
              <party>IND</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="261393" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr GEE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Calare</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:30</span>):  Today, I pay tribute to the extraordinary service of the community heroes of the Lithgow Volunteer Rescue Association. The association, also known as the Lithgow and District Rescue Squad, is a volunteer based emergency service in our electorate of Calare. It's members have been serving the Lithgow district and surrounding areas since 1981 as primary responders. It's a vital part of the community's emergency response network, operating 24/7 to respond at a moment's notice, ready to lend a 'helping hand anywhere, anytime'. That's their motto. </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">The squad handles a wide range of land based incidents, including car accidents, bush searches and animal rescues. In the last financial year, they responded to 78 accidents, rescued or assisted 75 people and recovered seven people who'd sadly lost their lives. Every year, they engage in thousands of hours of volunteer work, spending anywhere from four hours to, in some instances, up to two days responding to incidents. They play a crucial role in community safety and support. </span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Today, I would like to acknowledge and thank their dedicated volunteers for the incredible service they provide to our community:  Ian Bennet, who started volunteering with Lithgow VRA in 1981 and served as captain for 25 years; Nathan Mas-Stephens, who was recently announced as the new Lithgow VRA captain; Paul Bennet, who recently received the long-service clasp for 25 years service; Sallyann Bennet, who recently received her long-service clasp for 20 years service; Jean Bennet, who recently stepped down as secretary after 16 years, and also Andred Wilson, Aaron Wilson, Patrick Gennari, Angus McIntyre, Lesley Langbein, Emma Mason, Madeline Eneberg, Scott Moores, Rhianna Garland, Luke Chiam, Beth Thompson, Shannon Johnson, Glen Johnson, Stephen Phillips, Al Warild, Briane McCarthy, Brooke Noland, Chris Joyce, Emily Strange, Kevin O'Connor, Zachary Mason, Sally Romanous, Chris Perry and Alison Fenton.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I also wish to acknowledge the seven members who received a VRA Rescue New South Wales Commissioner's Unit Citation Award in September of this year for their exceptional efforts during a catastrophic and tragic accident on the Great Western Highway in 2023. Those members are Ian Bennet, Nathan Mas-Stephens, Paul Bennet, Ben Johnson, Stephen Phillips, Kevin O'Connor and former member Alison Forbes.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">On behalf of our communities and this parliament, I sincerely thank the entire Lithgow VRA team for their unwavering dedication in supporting their communities in critical incidents. I would encourage all community members to join their local volunteer rescue association and be a force for good in saving and protecting lives and making a positive impact in our world. </span>
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        </speech>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Aged Care, Rotary Inner Melbourne Emergency Relief Network</title>
          <page.no>2255</page.no>
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            <p>
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Aged Care</span>
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            </p>
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Rotary Inner Melbourne Emergency Relief Network</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2255</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Khalil, Peter MP</name>
              <name.id>101351</name.id>
              <electorate>Wills</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          <talk.text>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="101351" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr KHALIL</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Wills</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Defence</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:33</span>):  A few weeks ago, I visited the Bupa aged-care facility in Coburg in my electorate of Wills and I had the opportunity to personally thank the wonderful aged-care workers for their amazing work. It was an honour to present the Bupa's Living Our Values Everyday awards to dedicated team members at Bupa Aged Care Coburg. The winners were Rebecca, Gulsen and Precious. These workers, these individuals, embody the compassion, the professionalism and the resilience that they have to demonstrate every single day in the work that they do. These workers were recognised by those under their care—they were voted for in the awards by the people under their care—for going above and beyond every day in their work, delivering the best care for our older Australians, with real dignity and with real heart. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">People like Rebecca, Gulsen and Precious deserve to get the decent pay that they need to look after older Australians. That's why I'm so proud that the Albanese Labor government is backing aged-care workers with their fourth—that's right, Deputy Speaker Lawrence—pay rise since we've been in office. Our aged-care workers deserve this support, and the Albanese Labor government's $18 billion investment demonstrates our commitment to delivering higher wages for our wonderful Australian nurses and carers. That's why it's important that aged-care workers get fair pay that reflects the essential nature of their work. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm proud that the Albanese Labor government has delivered four pay rises for aged-care workers since coming into office. Our $18 billion investment in aged care is a commitment to valuing nurses, carers and the people they support. Additionally, we're investing $30.8 million to attract and support more than 6,000 extra skilled aged-care workers to rural and regional Australia. Those who support older Australians to live and age with dignity deserve a dignified and liveable wage. That's why we're lifting wages, improving conditions and restoring respect to a sector that holds up our communities. To the aged-care workers of Wills, to Rebecca, Gulsen, Precious and everyone who works in aged care across Australia: thank you so much for your hard work. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I also recently visited RIMERN. RIMERN is in north Melbourne. It's a project that provides furniture, appliances and homewares to welfare agency clients who have experiences of homelessness, domestic violence, incarceration, refugee displacement and other crises. I had the great pleasure of meeting Susie and Ruth and the team of volunteers at RIMERN. They're in my local electorate, right on the border, actually, of that of my good friend Ged Kearney. We visited together. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The work they do is really important. It allows people who are in these crisis situations to access furniture, homewares, supplies and other things that they need to fit out a home and a place to live that they might be moving into. It really gives them that sense of feeling at home. The volunteers at RIMERN do amazing work. Thank you for all of the great work that you do.</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Thriving Kids Program</title>
          <page.no>2256</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Thriving Kids Program</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2256</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Chaney, Kate MP</name>
              <name.id>300006</name.id>
              <electorate>Curtin</electorate>
              <party>IND</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="300006" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms CHANEY</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Curtin</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:36</span>):  Families of kids with developmental delay or autism in Curtin are understandably concerned about the shift to the Thriving Kids program. They mostly know that the system doesn't work well now, but they want to ensure that they don't lose the support that they've worked so hard to get for their kids. I've engaged with families, educators and health professionals in Curtin to understand their experience of seeking diagnosis and support for kids and have made a submission to the Thriving Kids committee inquiry based on the experience of my community. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">There's no doubt that there are problems with the current system. Results of our Curtin survey show that more than 70 per cent of respondents found it difficult to access identification and support services for children with mild to moderate developmental delay or autism. Almost all respondents had experienced delays in accessing assessments or interventions, with 73 per cent reporting frequent delays. Respondents had mixed views about how well services have met the needs of children with mild to moderate support needs in our community. </span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">When asked what would help families and service providers better navigate the system of supports for children with additional needs, my community had some really useful suggestions about simplification, clarity and accessibility. Families want clear, centralised information so they can navigate their journey through diagnosis and support. They want streamlined processes to ensure consistent NDIS or support rules and improved transparency about waiting lists and service availability. They want to see more trained specialists, reduced waiting times and more affordable assessments and services. They'd like to see early intervention integrated into schools, with better early screening and more support to equip schools to support neurodiverse children. A consistent theme was the importance of involving people with lived experience in service design and delivery. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">My submission makes 11 recommendations, which call for a streamlined, inclusive system that enables early identification and support for children with developmental delays through trained mainstream professionals, clear eligibility criteria and integrated therapy services. Delivery should leverage existing WA infrastructure, involve families in service design, address workforce shortages and be backed by increased funding and professional development. Parents want to be met with empathy and clarity, not bureaucracy and confusion. Educators and clinicians are calling for better collaboration between health, education and disability sectors. They know that, when we intervene early and work together, we can change the trajectory of a child's life. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">There's significant concern about the prospect of losing or reducing support when the Thriving Kids change is made, but our Curtin submission is grounded in the hope that we can build a system that listens to families, supports professionals and puts children at its centre.</span>
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        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Aged Care</title>
          <page.no>2256</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Aged Care</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2256</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Elliot, Justine MP</name>
              <name.id>DZW</name.id>
              <electorate>Richmond</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="DZW" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mrs ELLIOT</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Richmond</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:39</span>):  The fact is our older Australians built this nation. They worked hard, paid their taxes and raised their families, and they continue to play such an important role in our families and our communities. They deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">That's why our government, the Albanese Labor government, is committed to improving aged-care services and access to health care for older Australians, and we've been doing this since day one of being elected to government. We've delivered record levels of funding to rebuild the aged-care system so that every older Australian can get the care they deserve, including in my electorate of Richmond on the far-north coast of New South Wales. That's why I recently announced in Ballina that our government is delivering more than $8 million in federal funding from the Aged Care Capital Assistance Program for two North Coast aged-care providers. I made the announcement at St Andrew's Village Ballina. We're delivering $3.8 million for the reconfiguration of existing residential accommodation into four memory-support households, and that will provide 31 beds for people living with dementia. It's a really important improvement at St Andrew's.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Also, Feros village in Bangalow will receive more than $4.2 million for 14 new rooms with private ensuites and upgraded common areas. This funding of course builds on the nearly $3.6 million our government delivered last year for upgrades to St Andrew's village at Byron Bay, also known as George's Cottages. I also recently announced the Albanese Labor government's delivering $14 million in federal funding for Healthy North Coast to provide the care finder program for the region. This program provides free, individual support for older people needing help to access My Aged Care—and other aged-care services if they have impediments to accessing My Aged Care. It's making a huge difference to so many individuals, and of course all of this builds on the work we're doing to improve aged care right across the country.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Our government is delivering record pay rises for aged-care workers to ensure the aged-care sector continues to deliver a high standard of care for older Australians. From speaking to aged-care workers in my electorate, I know firsthand what a huge difference this is making and I really want to thank all of them for the incredible work that they continue to do. We're also delivering better care for older Australians by putting nurses back into nursing homes 24/7, and it means that older Australians in residential aged care can get the clinical care that they need when it's required. And, of course, we've already started releasing an additional 20,000 home-care packages starting 1 November, and we're delivering another 63,000 extra Support at Home places by June 2026 so more people can get the care they need when they need it in their own home.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Our government will keep working with older Australians, aged-care providers, aged-care workers—the whole industry—to work together to continuously improve the standard of aged care right across our country.</span>
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      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Flinders Electorate: Sport</title>
          <page.no>2257</page.no>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Flinders Electorate: Sport</span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2257</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">McKenzie, Zoe MP</name>
              <name.id>124514</name.id>
              <electorate>Flinders</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="124514" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms McKENZIE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Flinders</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:42</span>):  October is Mental Health Month, so I want to talk about something very important to the mental health of my community in the electorate of Flinders, and that is sport. Last week, I met with the amazing Dave Burt from Sport and Life Training. It's a not-for-profit health promotion organisation working in local sporting clubs to address the issues of mental health and wellbeing. SALT works with clubs across the peninsula to set young people up for success in every aspect of their life, using sport as a vehicle.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Last week, I also met with the Southern Peninsula Basketball Association, who are keen to establish a southern peninsula powerhouse in this sport. Between 2000 and 2025, my region received no funding for indoor sports facilities. Over the same period, Frankston received $60 million; Ballarat, $29 million; and Whitehorse, $18 million. Our local basketball association wants to expand its modest facility at Dromana Secondary College with three new, fully-compliant indoor courts to meet the needs of its 3,000 members and 335 teams across all levels. Membership of the Southern Peninsula Basketball Association has grown by 41 per cent since 2021 alone. In the past year, female participation is up 18 per cent, and male participation is up seven per cent. How very good is that! This expanded facility would provide a much-needed all-weather space for a wide range of community sports—not just basketball but also netball, volleyball, badminton, table tennis and more.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The lack of indoor sporting space is a bottleneck on sporting participation, limiting opportunities for our players, referees, coaches, volunteers and the broader community. The lack of indoor space means that we miss out on hosting major sporting events that can bring substantial economic and social benefits to the southern peninsula region. It is time for all levels of government to get behind this idea, and I commend the association on the great work that it has already done with our local council. The southern peninsula deserves the same opportunities and infrastructure as every other community in Victoria, and I'll be working with my state MPs Sam Groth and Chris Crewther on commitments to support our sporting assets.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">My community punches well above its weight when it comes to participation in community sport. We have the fourth-highest rate of sport participation of all local government areas in Melbourne, at 20 per cent, according to VicHealth's <span style="font-style:italic;">S</span><span style="font-style:italic;">port participation </span><span style="font-style:italic;">in </span><span style="font-style:italic;">Victoria</span><span style="font-style:italic;"></span><span style="font-style:italic;">2015-2022 </span>report. The physical and mental health benefits of sport are nearly endless—increased cardiovascular fitness, reduced risk of obesity, and reduced risk of developing high blood pressure and high cholesterol. Simply being in a community of mates where you can call on others to support you, especially in a world that's increasingly isolated and dependent on technology, plays a big role in combating mental health problems.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I've been nagging the Minister for Sport here to support local infrastructure in my electorate and will continue to do so, particularly to fight for this endeavour on the southern Mornington Peninsula.</span>
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        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Druze Community</title>
          <page.no>2257</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Druze Community</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2257</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Dreyfus, Mark MP</name>
              <name.id>HWG</name.id>
              <electorate>Isaacs</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="HWG" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr DREYFUS</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Isaacs</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:45</span>):  As the federal member for Isaacs, I acknowledge the significant contribution that the Druze community makes to both my electorate and Australia more broadly. Isaacs is home to a large Druze community. Over the years, I've met many of them who have built their lives here over generations and who continue to contribute meaningfully to our civic, cultural and economic life. Since my election in 2007, I've developed strong relationships with members of the Druze community. I hold them in the highest regard and value the trust and friendship that many have extended to me.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Recent events in Syria have caused great distress to the Druze community. Reports of targeted violence in Sweida and Jaramana have affected families with deep ties to those areas. I want to acknowledge the very real concern and grief that members of the Druze community are feeling for the safety of their loved ones overseas. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The Australian government has expressed its concern about the ongoing conflict in Syria and the need to protect civilians. The Prime Minister and the Minister for Foreign Affairs have issued a statement condemning the violence in Syria and calling for restraint from all parties. That statement reaffirmed Australia's support for a political resolution that upholds human rights and respects the dignity of all communities, including the Druze.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Australia's longstanding commitment to humanitarian protection, religious freedom and peaceful coexistence applies to all people. This includes the right of minority communities to live free from violence, persecution and discrimination. Nations are shaped by different histories, but the obligation to prevent conflict and protect life is shared by all nations. It's not a task completed quickly or easily; it requires discipline and a willingness to listen, to stay engaged and to work through difficult moments. This is the foundation of international humanitarian law. It's how peace is built and how peace is sustained. Too often persecution, displacement and war have come at an immense human cost, with civilians and minority groups enduring the greatest suffering. The wilful harm of others is never an inevitable consequence of difference.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I know that many members of the Druze community have raised their concerns with the government. I have conveyed those concerns, including the need to pursue all available humanitarian and diplomatic channels to help protect civilians and uphold human rights. Australia is a stronger nation because of the contribution of our multicultural communities. As the federal member for Isaacs, I will continue to ensure that the voices of the Druze community are heard, their concerns respected and their calls for peace and safety acknowledged.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Bowman Electorate: Infrastructure</title>
          <page.no>2258</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Bowman Electorate: Infrastructure</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2258</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Pike, Henry MP</name>
              <name.id>300120</name.id>
              <electorate>Bowman</electorate>
              <party>LNP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="300120" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr PIKE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bowman</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Opposition Whip</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:48</span>):  The Southern Moreton Bay Islands are one of the most unique communities in Queensland. They are places of incredible natural beauty and vibrant local community life. But these islands are being left behind. Today, nearly 9½ thousand people call these islands home, and, when you account for visitors, holiday homes and daily travel, the population serviced by local infrastructure is close to 11,500. Research from the local chamber of commerce shows that numbers are set to grow to almost 15,000 over the next 20 years. This growth is putting a real strain on housing, services and essential infrastructure.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Almost 40 per cent of the residents of these islands are aged over 65, compared to just 17 per cent across the rest of Queensland. This means a rising demand for health care, for aged care, for transport and for support services at a time when we have a shrinking workforce and far too few jobs. Right now on the islands there's less than one job for every two working residents.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">These challenges have been compounded by the decisions of this Labor government. In 2017 a successful grassroots campaign secured access for the Bay Islands to federal regional funding through the coalition's Building Better Regions Fund. This was a huge win. But Labor scrapped that program and replaced it with one that uses a blunt greater capital city statistical area approach. The result is that these islands are cut off from regional funding, while places like Noosa and Surfers Paradise are still considered regional. It's not just unfair; it's absurd. These islands have a median family income of less than half the national average, far higher unemployment and greater barriers to accessing services than many mainland areas.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">We need massive investment just to bring the existing infrastructure of these islands up to standard for the existing population, let alone to cater for this massive growth that we've been experiencing recently and will continue to experience over the next 20 years. In the last three years alone, an average of nearly 270 new homes have been approved every year on the islands. This sort of growth is totally unsustainable without proper investment from all levels of government. This would have been resolved by the coalition's $20 billion Regional Australia Future Fund election commitment, which would have seen the Bay Islands restored to their regional classification. Alas, we weren't able to achieve that.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I will keep fighting to restore fairness in funding for these communities to make sure they get the same opportunities and services as other Australian communities who face the same challenges. The Bay Islands are a vital part of the Redlands, and they deserve a government that recognises their unique challenges and delivers the infrastructure, jobs and services needed to secure their future.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian National Internships Program</title>
          <page.no>2259</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Australian National Internships Program</span>
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          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2259</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Freelander, Mike MP</name>
              <name.id>265979</name.id>
              <electorate>Macarthur</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="265979" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr FREELANDER</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Macarthur</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:51</span>):  For the past month I've had the privilege of hosting Ms Ava Steinicke as an intern in my parliamentary office as part of the Australian National University internships program. As it's her last day interning with us, I believe it's appropriate to give her a big shout-out for the tremendous work she's done in my office. Ava is a bright, charismatic young woman who is in her final semester at ANU and about to complete a double degree in international relations and development studies.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Since arriving in parliament in 2016, I'm proud to have been a participant in the ANU internships program, hosting interns in my parliamentary office. I think that they have learnt a lot, but I've also learnt a lot in this program. It's given the students a valuable insight into the shaping of national policy, particularly around health but also other areas, and in letting them know how our parliament works and how our parliamentarians themselves work. It's been an invaluable experience for me, and I've learnt a lot from our interns. Many of them have gone on to careers in public service, and I'm proud of that.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm a strong believer in education and in empowering young people to become the leaders of tomorrow. I've really enjoyed my time in politics. Part of that is learning how other people and new generations are working and how they look at public policy. One of the reasons that I've enjoyed my time in this place is that I'm proud that the students that I've hosted are so talented. They are Australia's future, and I'm really impressed with them. I'm impressed with how the parliamentary program works. The interns all produce a thesis at the end of their time with me, and some of the information has been incredibly valuable. During the pandemic we had ANU students who also gave really valuable insights into the pandemic and the work in parliament.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">During her time in my office Ava has shown initiative, engaged in a highly professional manner and has continued to remain diligent in her studies. I'm very impressed with her. As part of the national internships program, students are required to complete a research project and a research report. Ava has chosen to report on a key interest of mine, that being the evaluation of Australia's official development assistance in Papua New Guinea and how it's affected health outcomes. I look forward to reading her final report in the next few days.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Whilst the ANU has been in the spotlight recently, along with the whole university sector, I've been continually impressed by the students, such as Ava and the many I have hosted before, who demonstrate a great knowledge of how our system works. I encourage all my colleagues to take part in the ANU internships program in this parliament. It's been a great benefit to me, and I think it will be of great benefit to Australia's future.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Broome Boating Facility, Banana Industry</title>
          <page.no>2259</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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            <p>
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Broome Boating Facility</span>
              </p>
            </p>
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Banana Industry</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2259</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Price, Melissa Lee MP</name>
              <name.id>249308</name.id>
              <electorate>Durack</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="249308" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms PRICE</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Durack</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:54</span>):  For more than 20 years the people of Broome have been waiting for a safe, all-tide boating facility. Time and time again they have been promised action, yet still nothing has been delivered. Broome is the jewel in the crown of Western Australia's north, a world-class tourism destination, the gateway to the Kimberley and home to some of the most spectacular coastline in the country. It also has one of the highest numbers of boat owners in WA, yet it lacks a proper safe boat ramp or boating infrastructure. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">In 2022 the Cook Labor government announced a welcome $77 million project at Entrance Point. Two years on, construction has not started, and approvals remain incomplete. This delay is totally unacceptable. Broome faces some of the world's largest tides—up to 10 metres—combined with strong winds and swell. Launching and retrieving boats under these conditions is dangerous and places locals and visitors at risk.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I recently met with the Broome Fishing Club with the Leader of the WA Liberal Party, Basil Zempilas. The club made it even more clear: this facility is urgently needed. Their heartbreaking stories of damaged vessels and near misses highlight that this is a real safety issue not just an inconvenience. The Cook Labor government has had more than enough time. It must stop the excuses, finalise approvals and get on with delivering the safe, modern boating facility Broome has been promised for over two decades. Quite simply, the Broome boating community cannot wait any longer.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">In the town of Carnarvon in the Gascoyne region of my electorate of Durack, bananas are not just fruit; they are a livelihood. Families have been growing them for generations, working through floods, droughts and cyclones. They've survived it all through hard work and their resilience. Carnarvon's banana plantations produce nearly 80 per cent of all bananas consumed in WA, and much of the work is still done by hand, with bunches weighing up to 50 kilograms. Today on National Banana Day—shout-out to the bananas out there!—it's worth reflecting on the hard work of these families and the new threat that they now face. The federal department of agriculture is reviewing a request from the Philippines to import their bananas. Do you know what's really bananas? It's that the Albanese government is even considering this proposal. Australian growers already produce more than enough high-quality fruit to supply our domestic market year-round.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Allowing imports is just unnecessary, and it's downright dangerous. Exotic diseases like moko or black sigatoka could devastate farms, wipe out crops and put Carnarvon families out of work. Our farmers, our families and our communities must come first. I call on the government to deny the request and protect Carnarvon producers.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Albanese Government</title>
          <page.no>2260</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Albanese Government</span>
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          </body>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2260</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Gosling, Luke MP</name>
              <name.id>245392</name.id>
              <electorate>Solomon</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="245392" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr GOSLING</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Solomon</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">09:57</span>):  There's a lot happening in my electorate of Solomon—Darwin and Palmerston in the Northern Territory—when it comes to health and housing as our government delivers on its election commitments. The government released an expression of interest, an EOI, this month to identify a provider to use a $60 million grant for a new 120-bed residential care home in greater Darwin. That's more accommodation support for our senior Territorians. Getting our elders out of hospitals has been a major priority for me, providing dignity to our elders but also freeing up hospital beds at Royal Darwin Hospital and Palmerston Regional Hospital.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese government is also delivering on its commitment for a Darwin Medicare urgent care clinic, with the tender processes underway to identify a provider to operate the new Medicare urgent care clinic in Darwin. The one in Palmerston has had 30,000 presentations already and is making a big difference. This tender will be open to general practices, community health centres and Aboriginal community-controlled health services, and it is open until 23 October. The Darwin Medicare urgent care clinic will be open over extended hours seven days a week, with no appointment needed, and all patients will be fully bulk-billed. The clinic will service Darwin and will help take the pressure off the emergency department at Royal Darwin Hospital, which will fill an important gap for Territorians and Territory families after hours and over the weekend. This follows on from the Palmerston urgent care clinic, which, as I mentioned, is really successful. This is on top of the 30 per cent increase in funding to the NT government for health services in this financial year.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm also proud that we're providing an opportunity for first home buyers to get into the market sooner, as they will need only a five per cent deposit under our scheme, while single parents will need only a two per cent deposit. Housing Australia provides a guarantee to the buyer's bank to enable the homebuyer to borrow up to 95 per cent, or 98 per cent for single parents, of the property value. That's about half of the available properties on the weekend in Darwin and Palmerston. Five per cent deposits will cut years off the time Territorians need to save for a deposit, saving them thousands in lenders mortgage insurance and rental payments, and getting homebuyers into their first home sooner. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Almost 1,200 people in Solomon, Darwin and Palmerston have already been able to buy their first home, thanks to Labor's expanded Home Guarantee Scheme. This number will only increase now that all first home buyers are eligible. We're also addressing the labour shortage, through 175 construction trade apprentices in Solomon benefiting from the $10,000 incentive payment.</span>
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        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>McPherson Electorate</title>
          <page.no>2260</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">McPherson Electorate</span>
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          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2260</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Rebello, Leon MP</name>
              <name.id>316547</name.id>
              <electorate>McPherson</electorate>
              <party>LNP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="316547" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr REBELLO</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">McPherson</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:00</span>):  Each day I grow more appreciative of the strength and spirit of our southern Gold Coast community. In recent weeks I've met hundreds of locals, dozens of small businesses and many dedicated community groups. We've celebrated milestones and come together for special occasions, and I've been proud to lend an ear or a hand when needed. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I recently joined Burleigh in Pink, where our community united to raise awareness and vital funds for breast cancer research. The participation and generosity shown by so many locals was moving. We all know someone whose life has been touched by breast cancer. Behind every person in attendance that day was a story of love, loss and hope for a future free from this horrible disease. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">At Bond University's O-week I met the newest cohort of students—young people full of ideas, ambition and optimism. From the sporting clubs to the law society and even the anaesthetics association, I was blown away by the breadth of student engagement and was left confident that McPherson's next generation is in good hands. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The Coolangatta Bowls Club celebrated the opening of a new shade structure, the perfect place to relax after a summer game. It was fantastic to join club members and the broader community for the opening. It will add great value to the Coolangatta community. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I was also glad to join the Palm Beach Currumbin Cricket Club for their 2025-26 season launch. I'm always impressed to see the strong support behind the players and the volunteers who make our local sport thrive. I look forward to seeing the teams' success throughout the season ahead.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">In Robina I visited the Barber Academy and the Hair Academy Australia, where founders Dee Thomas and Gareth Philpott are revolutionising vocational training. Under the supervision of their award-winning team, students gain real-world experience, confidence and qualifications that lead to employment, and many even go on to start their own business. Their success highlights the importance of supporting innovative, private education models alongside traditional TAFE pathways. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">As we head into Queensland's subtropical wet season, this week's Get Ready Queensland Week is an important reminder that preparation makes a world of difference in emergencies. My thanks to the Varsity Lakes Community Resource Centre for hosting their recent Prep Your Kit day, helping locals plan ahead.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Finally, with our growing population, transport infrastructure remains a key focus. I recently met with Queensland's Department of Transport and Main Roads to push two major priorities: fixing the Robina exit 82 bottleneck and delivering a heavy-rail extension from Varsity Lakes to Gold Coast Airport—essential connections for our southern Gold Coast community. These are important projects, and I will continue to advocate across all levels of government to see their advancement. Our region continues to grow, but it's the heart connection and collaboration of our community that make McPherson what it is. </span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Bali Attacks: 20th Anniversary</title>
          <page.no>2261</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Bali Attacks: 20th Anniversary</span>
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          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2261</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Claydon, Sharon MP</name>
              <name.id>248181</name.id>
              <electorate>Newcastle</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="248181" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms CLAYDON</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Newcastle</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Deputy Speaker</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:03</span>):  I rise today to acknowledge the solemn occasion of the 20th anniversary of the 2005 Bali bombings, a terrible act of terror that claimed 20 innocent lives, including three beloved members of our own Newcastle community: Jennifer Williamson, and Colin and Fiona Zwolinski. Their loss continues to be felt deeply by their families, their friends and, indeed, all of us who call Newcastle home. That's why Novocastrians gathered for a moving memorial service at Bar Beach last week to mark the 20th anniversary of the tragedy. Anniversaries such as this one remind us that grief does not always diminish with time. For the families of Jennifer, Colin and Fiona, and all of those who lost a loved one that day or continue to live with injury or trauma, the pain is ongoing, but so too is the strength of our community's resolve to come together, to remember and to honour.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I was devastated to be unable to attend the memorial service in person, but I want to thank my friend and colleague, who joins me in the chamber today, the Special Envoy for Indian Ocean Affairs, Tim Watts, for his attendance, which I know meant a lot to my community. I also want to pay tribute to my predecessor, the former member for Newcastle, Sharon Grierson, for her thoughtful actions and compassionate response 20 years ago, when our community was forced to face squarely the shocking consequences of terrorism. I know that Sharon's presence at the memorial service was very much appreciated.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm struck by the courage of the survivors and families who continue to share their stories, keeping alive the memory of those we lost and reminding us of the enduring power of love and resilience in the face of terror. Their words were not only an act of remembrance but also a gift to the rest of us, teaching us about courage, perseverance and the unbreakable bonds of community.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">It is fitting that the Australian government has now committed to establishing a new permanent memorial, ensuring that the memory of the victims of the 2005 Bali bombings will be forever honoured. This will be not only a place of quiet reflection but also a national marker of our collective grief and our determination to stand firm against the forces of hatred and terror. It is only right that these plans be developed in close consultation with survivors and families of the victims so that it can stand as a place of quiet reflection, of remembrance and of learning for future generations.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Newcastle will never forget Jennifer, Colin and Fiona. We honour their lies and stand alongside their families. In doing so, we recommit ourselves to building a world defined not by hate and violence but by peace, compassion and enduring strength of community. That is the best way we can honour the lives lost—by ensuring that love and unity have the final word.</span>
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            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Forrest Electorate: Volunteers</title>
          <page.no>2261</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Forrest Electorate: Volunteers</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2261</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Small, Ben MP</name>
              <name.id>291406</name.id>
              <electorate>Forrest</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="291406" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr SMALL</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Forrest</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:07</span>):  I rise today to recognise the amazing work of the Margaret River Lions Club in my own seat of Forrest. Every week, the club's incredible volunteers sort through countless donations to prepare for their fortnightly Saturday morning sales. All proceeds from the sales, totalling some $350,000 a year, go straight back into the local Margaret River community. After witnessing firsthand the efforts that go into organising this incredible operation, I was blown away by the passion and the commitment of all of those involved. The Margaret River Lions Club represents the very best of those in our community by providing affordable items to those less fortunate and, in doing so, making their community a better and more compassionate place.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">A special mention is owed to Kath for her ongoing and tireless work for the Lions. Kath is one of three foundation members remaining in the organisation. To president Mike, treasurer Jane and all of the volunteers at the club who welcomed me: thank you. Thank you for all of your work and for allowing me to visit the club and see what you're up to. Your ongoing commitment and passion to make our community better inspires us all. I encourage anyone who is able to head on down and help these amazing volunteers.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I also rise today to recognise the incredible work of the Bunbury Soup Van and the dedicated volunteers who tirelessly work to power this vital initiative in our community. Every week, rain or shine, these generous individuals donate their time to ensure that those who are doing it tough in our community receive essential supplies that are needed simply to survive. The Bunbury Soup Van is a grassroots example of compassion in action, providing essential support to the homeless, the vulnerable and those facing food insecurity in our community. This is not just a meal service; it's a service of hope and connection for those who need it most. I am proud to share that, with the assistance of my office, the soup van is thriving better than ever. Donations of any kind are always welcome at my office, and I encourage anyone who can help out to do so.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">To all of the volunteers at the Bunbury Soup Van: thank you. Your commitment makes Bunbury stronger, kinder and more connected. You remind us all of the power of a strong community and the impact that we can have when we choose to care for others.</span>
              </p>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Chisholm Electorate: Community Events</title>
          <page.no>2262</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Chisholm Electorate: Community Events</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2262</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Garland, Carina MP</name>
              <name.id>295588</name.id>
              <electorate>Chisholm</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="295588" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr GARLAND</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Chisholm</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:09</span>):  It's always wonderful to have the opportunity to provide the House with an update on some of the celebrations and events happening in my community of Chisholm in the wonderful multicultural suburbs of Melbourne. On Monday, the Mid-Autumn Festival began—a festival with a long tradition of unity, harmony and gratitude. It is a time for coming together to celebrate and enjoy each other's company. This festival, also known as the Moon Festival, celebrates the harvest, and I note the beautiful harvest moon we were all able to enjoy this week.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I recently had the chance to attend the Mid-Autumn Festival opening ceremony at the Queen Victoria Markets, organised by the terrific Asian Business Association of Whitehorse. I thank them very much and congratulate them very much for organising such a terrific event and being such important contributors in our community.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The Mid-Autumn Festival is symbolic of the full moon, mutual respect, the togetherness of families and the collective efforts of the harvest, and its celebration is a testament to the strength of Chisholm's Chinese Australian community. The Chinese community has undeniably enriched our society, and multiculturalism makes us all better off as people and should always be celebrated.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">A celebration just around the corner is Diwali, and I have no doubt that Chisholm will light up in celebration over the five-day festival. Diwali is a time for lighting lamps, gift-giving, feasting and celebrating the victory of light over darkness, good over evil and knowledge over ignorance. The values of compassion, goodwill and hope, which find prominence in Diwali celebrations, are values which all of us should be guided by, and this is an important moment of reflection for all of us.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Diwali is an incredibly important celebration for the Indian community—including, of course, the Indian community in Chisholm. Each year, the Diwali celebrations exemplify the vibrance of the multicultural fabric which makes up Australia, woven in part by the contributions of the wonderful Indian community. I look forward to celebrating Diwali together with the community of Chisholm, and I wish everyone celebrating Diwali a very happy Diwali.</span>
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          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Middle East</title>
          <page.no>2262</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Middle East</span>
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        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2262</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Taylor, Angus MP</name>
              <name.id>231027</name.id>
              <electorate>Hume</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="231027" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TAYLOR</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hume</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:12</span>):  I rise to pay tribute to the victims of the October 7 terror attacks. On the second anniversary of this heinous crime, our thoughts and prayers go to the families and friends of the loved ones who were lost. We are so sorry for their loss and understand how difficult this time must be. They're not alone in their grief and sadness, and we can sympathise with their pain.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">This was the worst atrocity against Jewish people since the Holocaust: 1,200 innocent people murdered and tortured, women and girls sexually assaulted, men beheaded and babies killed. Hamas took 254 hostages; 48 of these are yet to be returned to their families.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The coalition has always believed Israel has the right to defend itself. Hamas, of course, a listed terrorist organisation—a brutal organisation—knew what it was doing that day and knew what would follow. It continues to use civilian infrastructure as military headquarters and storage facilities for weapons. It uses human shields for its operations; it even uses its own people on a constant basis. The terrorist group thrives on the misery of the Gazan people and wants the destruction of Israel.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">The recognition of Palestinian statehood was premature. It was a mistake. It rewarded terrorists. Hamas even praised the decision.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Sadly, since October 7, we've seen an unprecedented rise in antisemitism across Australia and across the globe. The recent stabbing attack at a synagogue in England's north is an example—as was that absolutely abhorrent graffiti in Melbourne just yesterday, glorifying the murder of innocent people. There have been reports of a firearm being threatened at a place of worship. Society cannot seek to justify this kind of hate speech as free speech and legitimise antisemitism as anti-Zionism. There must be zero tolerance for this kind of behaviour, and this issue of antisemitism demands a strong and unified response and unequivocal leadership.</span>
              </p>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Regarding a protest organised at the Sydney Opera House on Sunday—</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span style="font-style:italic;">
                  </span>
                  <span style="font-style:italic;">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                  </span>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sitting suspended from 10:15 to 10:27</span>
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        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Caroline Springs RSL Sub-Branch, City of Melton Business Excellence Awards, Gorton Electorate: Schools</title>
          <page.no>2263</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p>
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Caroline Springs RSL Sub-Branch</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">City of Melton Business Excellence Awards</span>
              </p>
            </p>
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Gorton Electorate: Schools</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2263</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Jordan-Baird, Alice MP</name>
              <name.id>316021</name.id>
              <electorate>Gorton</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="316021" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms JORDAN-BAIRD</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Gorton</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:27</span>):  I give hearty congratulations to Peter Burquest and Bobby Matthewman, members of the Caroline Springs RSL sub-branch, who were recently awarded lifetime membership of RSL Victoria. Both Vietnam veterans, they've shown unwavering commitment to our veteran community, dedicating their time and energy to supporting ex-service personnel. Peter and Bobby are ensuring the legacy of the RSL continues to thrive through the younger generation, and it was an absolute honour to celebrate with them and members and supporters of the RSL recently. The story of the Caroline Springs sub-branch is showcased in the amazing documentary <span style="font-style:italic;">Those Who Serve</span>, which is now available on SBS On Demand. Go check it out. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Congratulations to all finalists and winners of the 2025 Melton business excellence awards. I want to give a massive shout-out to six winners local to Gorton, Witchmount Estate Weddings and Events, Jungle Lab, Australian Integrated Care Services, ANZLENS, and Desir Wine and Cocktail Lounge, and to our finalists, Springs Dental Group, We Love Aintree, Enviro Pest Control, Pep &amp; Gusto, Stix dessert bar, Pizza Speciale, All In One Accounting Solutions, and HK Career &amp; Life Coaching. Small businesses are the backbone of our community. They create jobs, support families and drive innovation and growth, and they're a hallmark of our diverse and wonderful community in Melbourne's western suburbs.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">At CRC Sydenham, I attended the years 11 and 12 student awards. What an incredible assembly filled with outstanding musical performances that really showcased our students' talent and creativity! It was truly a pleasure to stay for morning tea and get to talk directly with awardees and hear their hopes and dreams of what they want to do after school. Thank you so much to Principal Brendan Watson OAM for having me. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">At Parkwood Green Primary School I met with year 5 students gearing up to deliver their school leadership speeches. We practised power poses and other ways to stay calm before public speaking. A huge shout-out to Emma Cornwill and all the dedicated teachers at Parkwood Green. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Springside Primary School's inspiring cultural mural of student handprints in their gym, thriving kitchen garden and reconciliation garden is a reflection of how schools are nurturing both creativity and a strong sense of community. I could have spent a full day there, hearing from staff and students about how this dynamic school in my local community is thriving. A massive thank you to Principal Gabi Zorko and all of the incredible staff at Springside Primary School for all that you do. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">At Yarrabing Secondary College in Aintree, Principal John Mitsinikos discussed with me the exciting stage 2 development of more classrooms, expanded recreation programs and growth in their Japanese language program. It's clear the school is committed to giving students every opportunity they need. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">To all year 12 students across Gorton: I wish you the very best as you approach and prepare for your final assessment and for the next big chapter of your life. We're all cheering for you!</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Petition: Beaufort Railway Station</title>
          <page.no>2263</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Petition: Beaufort Railway Station</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2263</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Tehan, Dan MP</name>
              <name.id>210911</name.id>
              <electorate>Wannon</electorate>
              <party>LP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="210911" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TEHAN</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Wannon</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:30</span>):  I rise today to support Leanne Ryan, who works in the local Beaufort newsagency, who has put together a petition. The petition calls on the honourable Speaker of the House of Representatives and members of the House of Representatives to call on the Victorian state government to urgently upgrade the Beaufort railway station to ensure it meets the needs of local commuters. The station requires a fit-for-purpose waiting room, a passenger information display, accessible bathroom facilities and CCTV for safety. This is the only station between Ararat and Melbourne with no CCTV. Hundreds of residents rely on this service daily for work and recreation, and it is essential that the station's amenities are up to standard. Thank you, Leanne, for what you've done and thank you for getting 422 signatures on this petition. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I call on the Victorian state government to make sure that they act on this petition, because Beaufort deserves exactly the same railway station facilities that every other station has on the Ararat line. The question is: why are you failing the residents of Beaufort in this way? They deserve to have a railway station which has disability services access that is up to standard. They deserve to have CCTV lights so that they can come and go from the station safely. And there are other issues as well. People want to be able to access myki services. They want to make sure there's proper lighting there. They also want to make sure, because it is an important school bus drop zone, that the school students are safe. There is no reason why the lighting shouldn't be upgraded, why CCTV shouldn't be upgraded, why the whole facility shouldn't be upgraded, especially as people are commuting a lot more from Beaufort to Melbourne and from Beaufort to Ballarat. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Leanne, you are on the money. You're listening to the local community and you're acting on behalf of the local community. It is an absolute honour to support you in seeking to table this petition today, because we have to use every means possible to ensure that the Victorian state Labor government are doing their job, particularly when it comes to supporting people outside Melbourne. I seek leave to table this petition from Leanne Ryan.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="265980" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                  </a>
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                  <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Sharkie</span>
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  Member for Wannon, has the petition been approved by the Petitions Committee?</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="210911" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TEHAN:</span>
                  </a>  No, but I'm still seeking leave to table it. </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Leave not granted.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="210911" type="MemberContinuation">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TEHAN:</span>
                  </a>  Leave's not granted? What has Labor got against people in regional and rural Victoria? Why won't you let me table this? You won't even let me table the document!</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
          <interjection>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2264</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Sharkie, Rebekha MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>265980</name.id>
                <electorate>Mayo</electorate>
                <party>CA</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </interjection>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2264</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Tehan, Dan MP</name>
                <name.id>210911</name.id>
                <electorate>Wannon</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </continue>
          <continue>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2264</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Tehan, Dan MP</name>
                <name.id>210911</name.id>
                <electorate>Wannon</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
            </talk.text>
          </continue>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Aged Care, Whittlesea Carnival of Connections, Scullin Electorate: Multicultural Events</title>
          <page.no>2264</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p>
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Aged Care</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Whittlesea Carnival of Connections</span>
              </p>
            </p>
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Scullin Electorate: Multicultural Events</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2264</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Giles, Andrew MP</name>
              <name.id>243609</name.id>
              <electorate>Scullin</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="243609" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr GILES</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Scullin</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Skills and Training</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:34</span>):  I think we all know that navigating the aged-care system can sometimes be overwhelming for older Australians and for those who care for them too. With that in mind, the Albanese government has been working, since it was first elected, to support older Australians to understand all of the options and to make choices that are right for them in all of the circumstances that they face.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">With that in mind, last month I hosted a forum in my electorate of Scullin to bring together residents with local support services and to hear from the Minister for Aged Care and Seniors. I was very pleased that around 200 locals filled the Barry Road Community Activity Centre in Thomastown to hear from Minister Rae, who came and spoke about the once-in-a-generation reforms that our government is delivering to aged care. It was really fantastic to have, as well as the minister, representatives from so many organisations, including Services Australia, Dementia Australia, St John Ambulance, DPV Health, Whittlesea Community Connections and the Whittlesea U3A, who talked and listened to people to help make the journey easier. I want to thank Minister Rae for joining me and speaking with the locals, listening so attentively to their concerns, paying respect to their experiences and taking on board the feedback they shared about their experiences and their aspirations for a system that gives every older Australian the dignity they deserve in later life.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I also want to highlight at this time some of the incredible cultural activities that have been taking place across the northern suburbs. I'm thinking about the Whittlesea Carnival of Connections, a fantastic celebration of food, dance, colour and connection. It was a powerful display of unity—something so important right now—with a clear message that we are stronger together. My thanks go to Gurinder, Amrita and the entire Whittlesea Interfaith Network for organising this event.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">I've also had the pleasure of joining our local Hindu community at a couple of very significant events, including the inaugural Durga Puja festival in the northern suburbs. Celebrations for this spanned five days—that's no easy feat. I want to recognise Chaman Tiwari and the rest of the organising committee for their work organising the event. Similarly, my friend Kishore held an extraordinary event in bringing together a wonderful Dusshera Mela—more than 10,000 people gathered together to celebrate this extraordinary festival, which celebrates good prevailing over evil.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">It's recently been Father's Day, and there was no better way to celebrate that event than at the Circolo Pensionati Italiani Di Bundoora Festa Del Papa luncheon. There was wonderful music, great company and a famously good lunch—it's very popular with my electorate staff. It is a wonderful event, and I extend my thanks and deepest appreciation to Antoinette and all in the Pensionati for inviting me along.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Home Insurance</title>
          <page.no>2264</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
          <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
            <p class="HPS-SubDebate" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Home Insurance</span>
            </p>
          </body>
        </subdebate.text>
        <speech>
          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2264</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Thompson, Phillip MP</name>
              <name.id>281826</name.id>
              <electorate>Herbert</electorate>
              <party>LNP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
            </talker>
          </talk.start>
          <talk.text>
            <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="281826" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr THOMPSON</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Herbert</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:37</span>):  When families are forced to choose between putting food on the table, keeping the lights on and paying for insurance, it is clear the reinsurance pool is failing the very people it was designed for. A damning report was released this week by the Insurance Council of Australia, and it should be a wake-up call for this Labor government. It revealed that 240,000 homes across Australia are at severe risk of flooding, yet only two in 10 of these homes are insured. This data confirms what we've been seeing on the ground.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">In Townsville, which was hammered by the North Queensland floods in February, locals are being priced out of the market. After the floods, Neville from Garbutt was hit with a $28,000 insurance quote despite no prior flooding during his decade-long residence. James from Condon, whose home isn't in a council designated flood zone, was labelled 'at risk' by his insurer, forcing him to consider selling because the premiums are unaffordable on his TPI income. Bronwyn from Hermit Park has been paying insurance for 35 years but saw her renewals skyrocket from $3,000 annually to $30,000.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">How can anyone afford these prices? No family should be forced to choose between food and insurance. This is unacceptable, and that's why the Australian Reinsurance Pool Corporation was established—to hold insurers to account—yet this Labor government refuses to use it effectively. Labor's legislative review into the ARPC is apparently still ongoing, but, months ago, I wrote to Labor's Assistant Treasurer, Minister Mulino, and the ARPC, asking them to visit Townsville to hear from locals, because direct feedback from those being let down is essential in the review process. I received no response from the minister. I again wrote to the chair of the ARPC, and still no visit has occurred.</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">People in the regions are doing it tough, but it's clear that's not a priority for this Labor government. Now, insurance companies are getting away with price gouging or leaving residents without cover. It seems this Labor government couldn't care less. The insurance sector needs accountability, and the ARPC requires urgent reform. I'm again calling on this Labor government to: legislate mandatory compliance to make insurers pass meaningful cost savings to consumers via the ARPC and not allow different insurer approaches; establish a real-time data dashboard on the ARPC website showing cost savings by each insurer; and produce clear, accessible consumer information on ARPC performance, not 90-page reports in fine print that no-one can understand. I'm calling on Minister Mulino to bring the ARPC to Townsville, consult with the people he is supposed to serve and support the most honourable of residents. Instead of turning a blind eye, this government must act now to bring accountability to insurers so that no-one will be left unprotected or priced out of their own home.</span>
              </p>
            </body>
          </talk.text>
        </speech>
      </subdebate.1>
      <subdebate.1>
        <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Renewable Energy, Live Animal Exports</title>
          <page.no>2265</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
        <subdebate.text>
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            <p>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Renewable Energy</span>
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              <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Live Animal Exports</span>
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          <talk.start>
            <talker>
              <page.no>2265</page.no>
              <time.stamp />
              <name role="metadata">Cook, Trish MP</name>
              <name.id>312871</name.id>
              <electorate>Bullwinkel</electorate>
              <party>ALP</party>
              <in.gov />
              <first.speech />
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="312871" type="MemberSpeech">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms TRISH COOK</span>
                  </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bullwinkel</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:40</span>):  I recently instigated a roundtable discussion out in the Wheatbelt, engaging with local councils about the issues and the opportunities that lie ahead for the Wheatbelt. I was absolutely delighted to welcome the Assistant Minister for Climate Change and Energy, my colleague Josh Wilson, to join me. His expertise was invaluable as we worked with the Avon Regional Organisation of Councils and brought together the vibrant shires of Bullwinkel, Toodyay, Northam and York, as well as the shires of Durack, Goomalling and Victoria Plains. We were also pleased that the Shire of Chittering could join us. It added another important local voice to the conversation. There were also representatives from other regional councils further to the east, which totalled 18 participants and 20 local governments of the Wheatbelt area.</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">One major discussion focused on the incredible potential for renewable energy right across the Wheatbelt. We weren't just talking concepts; we were talking about real, tangible opportunities for solar and wind projects that will create local jobs, provide a new revenue stream for farmers and local governments and enhance our energy security. We listened to the CEOs and presidents of the local governments who raised concerns and explained how their local governments may be affected by local renewable projects. It was a genuinely positive and forward-looking conversation about powering the future of the region of WA.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">The other major issue we discussed at the roundtable was the transition away from live sheep exports by sea. I acknowledge that this is a significant change for our farming communities. That is why I organised and introduced the live sheep transition advocate, Dr Chris Rodwell, to accompany us at the roundtable. We had frank and open discussions about the transition plan and the comprehensive support available. As my colleague Minister Collins announced, this support is real and rolling out now. Grant programs opening today include the Farm Business Transition Program and the Community Wellbeing Program.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me be perfectly clear: I stand with our WA farmers today and every day. Our commitment is unwavering. We want farmers not only to farm sheep but to do so in a more profitable and sustainable way in Western Australia, adding value to the economy and supporting local families and communities. The goal is to build a stronger domestic industry that is secure for generations to come. I continue to work side-by-side with our local councils and farming communities to support our sheep farmers as we navigate this transition. By seizing the opportunities in renewable energy and building a world-class local processing industry, we can ensure a bright future for Western Australians. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <a href="265980" type="MemberInterjecting">
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                  </a>
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                  <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Ms Sharkie</span>
                  <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  In accordance with standing order 193, the time for members' constituency statements has concluded.</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2265</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Sharkie, Rebekha MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                <name.id>265980</name.id>
                <electorate>Mayo</electorate>
                <party>CA</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            <talk.text>
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    <debate>
      <debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>2266</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
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            <span class="HPS-Debate">BILLS</span>
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          <title>Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 2025-2026</title>
          <page.no>2266</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 2025-2026</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2266</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Consideration resumed.</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                  </span>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">Treasury Portfolio</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure, $4,033,588,000</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2266</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">O'Brien, Ted MP</name>
                <name.id>138932</name.id>
                <electorate>Fairfax</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="138932" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TED O'BRIEN</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fairfax</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Deputy Leader of the Opposition</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:43</span>):  I can't believe that we are here for consideration in detail about the budget and the Australian Treasurer decides not to turn up. Where is the Treasurer of the country? This is the opportunity for the parliament to hold the Treasurer to account, and he's gone AWOL! Can any of the Labor members in this chamber explain where the Treasurer is? No-one. Absolute silence. This is the opportunity for this parliament to hold the Treasurer to account. So I look down the barrel of the camera and I say to the Treasurer: Treasurer, get in here! Don't ignore the parliament. By virtue of ignoring the parliament, you are ignoring the Australian people. Treasurer, you are expected to be in this chamber to answer the questions of this parliament. If you disregard this parliament, you are disregarding the Australian people. It's an absolute disgrace! I call on the members opposite to use their phones to personally reach out to the Treasurer and get him into this chamber to start answering questions. There are serious questions to answer, because right now the Australian people are becoming poorer, our economy is becoming weaker and, as a nation, we are becoming far more dependent on foreign supply chains.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Only a few months ago, the Treasurer stood in front of the Australian people—in, I thought, a moment of honesty, and I credited him for this publicly—and conceded his budget was not sustainable. It was a big thing for the Australian Treasurer to admit that, and I gave him credit, because he was right: his budget is not sustainable.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The thing that's confusing, though, is that only a couple of weeks ago the Treasurer then stood up in front of the Australian people and—guess what he said about his budget? He said, 'It's in good nick.' So it had gone from being unsustainable to being 'in good nick', within a matter of months, which begs the question: What have we come to know about the budget over the last couple of months? Has there been some sort of major change? The only major change is that we've received the final budget outlook for the last financial year, and what that tells us is that the budget for the last financial year delivered a deficit of $10 billion.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">If you go to the year before that and ask, 'What was the final budget outcome?' the final budget outcome then was $16 billion, but $16 billion as a surplus. Let's do the sums together, shall we? That's a $16 billion surplus, plus a $10 billion deficit. That means that, in one financial year, the budget has deteriorated by $26 billion—a $26 billion deterioration over one financial year.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Then you go to the Treasurer's current budget papers and ask, 'What's he doing this financial year?' This financial year he is forecasting a budget deficit of $42 billion. Let's again build on the sums, shall we? If last year finished at a $10 billion deficit, and now he's looking at a $42 billion deficit, that means we're going to have a further deterioration of $32 billion in this financial year.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To finish off our wonderful mathematical gymnastics here, a $26 billion deterioration plus a planned $32 billion deterioration gives you a $58 billion deterioration over two financial years. Let me state that again for those opposite, given their treasurer decided to go AWOL and not turn up. Over a two-year period, this treasurer is overseeing a deterioration in the federal budget of $58 billion, and he claims the budget is 'in good nick'. The simple question that has to be answered by the Treasurer, if he decides to bless this chamber with his presence, is: how does a $58 billion deterioration in the Australian budget equate to that budget being, in his words, 'in good nick'? I look forward to the Treasurer answering that question.</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2266</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Gregg, Matt MP</name>
                <name.id>315154</name.id>
                <electorate>Deakin</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="315154" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr GREGG</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Deakin</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:48</span>):  I rise to support Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 2025-2026 and to reflect on the progress that we have made together. Inflation is down, interest rates are down, the deficit is down, jobs are up and wages are growing. Through the efforts of the Albanese Labor government and, more importantly, the efforts of all Australians, we've turned the economy around. Contrast this with what we see from the opposition. They left behind nearly a trillion dollars of Liberal debt for us, weighed down in rorts and waste.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">They went to the last election with a plan to lift taxes, to lower wages and to bring bigger deficits and more debt. I think the Australian people's verdict made very clear what they thought of that one. Australians voted overwhelmingly for the plan that is working—the plan of the Albanese Labor government. We've made real and substantial progress on inflation. Headline inflation has been at or below three per cent for more than a year, and underlying inflation has been within the Reserve Bank's target band for nine months in a row. When we came to office inflation on a monthly measure had a six in front of it. That is more than double what it is today.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I know that monthly figures are not as reliable as quarterly figures, so let's take into consideration recent quarterly figures. The official quarterly numbers show that both underlying and headline inflation are now at their lowest rates in almost four years. The progress we've made on inflation has led to three interest rate cuts in the last six months. Those cuts mean that a household with a $700,000 mortgage is saving about 330 bucks a month or $4,000 a year. That is a real and substantial difference in people's lives. It's happening because they resoundingly rejected the coalition's economic legacy—high inflation, high interest rates, declining real wages and living standards, and deficits as far as the eye could see. Importantly Australians also rejected the shallow economic legacy that we saw from the coalition. They left behind a race to the bottom on wages, an approach they called 'a deliberate design feature of their economic architecture'. The Albanese government's approach is for business to compete on the basis of their ideas, their productivity, their capability and their innovation, not a race to the bottom on wages.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One might think that the Liberal Party would have got the message at the last election, but no. We've only been in this place for a couple of weeks, and I've already had to defend the concept of penalty rates. They really show that they just don't get it. Take-home pay matters. The increase in living standards matters. So, like in a lot of the policy areas we're seeing at the moment, the opposition has learned absolutely nothing. They might have a new leader, but it really is the same old script and the same old division. Instead we've chosen responsible economic management. We're seeing inflation lower, interest rates down, and real wages and living standards starting to grow again. We've delivered tax cuts for every taxpayer, with two more to come, and we've overseen the creation of more than 1.1 million jobs. We've recorded the lowest average unemployment of any government in over 50 years. We've delivered the biggest nominal turnaround in the budget of any government in Australia's history, turning two big Liberal deficits into two substantial Labor surpluses, and the deficit in our third year is a fifth of what they left us.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've also shown that governments don't need to choose between responsible economic management and helping people with the cost of living. The national minimum wage and award wages increased by 3.5 per cent from 1 July. The superannuation guarantee increased to 12 per cent. Paid parental leave increased to 24 weeks. Super is now being paid on all government paid parental leave. Another $150 in energy bill relief will be out before the end of this year, and there is $10,000 incentive payments for new housing apprentices. We're delivering cheaper home batteries, cutting 20 per cent off student loan debts for three million Australians and Commonwealth practice payments, which are going to make a huge difference to people training in important professions like teaching so they can actually complete their courses. Of course, hard-working aged-care nurses will receive the next instalment of their pay rise in October.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Liberals and Nationals stood against much of this cost-of-living relief, and Australians took notice. At the election, they voted for higher living standards, higher wages and secure, well-paid jobs. That's what the Albanese government is working to deliver every day.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2267</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wilson, Tim MP</name>
                <name.id>IMW</name.id>
                <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TIM WILSON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Goldstein</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:53</span>):  When the Minister for Small Business can't even turn up to defend her legacy as the minister, when the previous speaker for the government couldn't even use the allotted time to defend the legacy of this government—you had your chance, Member for Deakin, but you couldn't even use your full time to defend the economic legacy of this government, particularly in terms of the importance of standing up for small business—it says something and speaks to something directly about this government, about where their priorities are. Despite their boasts and despite their claims, the reality is Australians are living with the cost-of-living crisis—and, more importantly, small business is living with the cost-of-small-business crisis—that this government has delivered. That is why Australia right now has the largest number of insolvencies of small business in its history.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We only need to look at why. We have a consistent problem of inflation because this government continues to borrow from tomorrow to fuel today. We have a record number of jobs that are being created from public expenditure. Four out of five jobs are either directly created from public-sector jobs or by borrowing from tomorrow to pay for today to be able to keep numbers inflated. But who pays that cost? Small businesses pay that cost—your inflated costs—that are being passed onto Australians, through high prices and therefore inflation and higher interest rates. Today's expenditure from tomorrow's debt means that Australians pay higher prices today and, more importantly, higher interest rates.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Small businesses are on the front line of this, and that's why they're experiencing record insolvencies. And the government is not their friend; the government is not doing anything to help. In fact, the Albanese government has declared war on small businesses, who simply want to get ahead and employ more Australians.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The absurdity of the situation is that, in this chamber and this parliament, when we had industries like the retail industry wanting to pay workers more, the government was motivated to pass laws so that they could keep the industrial relations system complex, to favour their union mates, to keep the cartel kickbacks going, so that the money would flow to their friends, at the expense of Australian workers. It was done under the banner, they claimed, of making sure they secured penalty rates. In fact, there was only one penalty rate that was being applied, and it was to make sure that it was going to their union friends. But who was it being paid for by? It was being paid for by Australian small businesses. Any pathway to simplicity—any pathway where there would be less cost on small business by making sure that they didn't have to have their own HR department, their own industrial relations department, their own tax advisers and their own lawyers, rather than that money going to wages and of course the opportunity for small businesses to actually get ahead and profit—was the demonised worst outcome for this government.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">So it's a simple proposition that this government has no friends in small business because it is not a friend of small business. If you want a friend, you've got to be a friend. And this government is not a friend of small business. It is continuing to wage its war on small businesses all across this country, because it is not prepared to listen or to understand the consequences of the legislation it is putting forward. Instead—we've said this many times before—it sees no small business, hears no small business and certainly doesn't speak to any small business, because, during the discussion around the penalty rates legislation, the minister couldn't answer a simple question: how many small businesses would be impacted? We've now passed the legislation, and it's being implemented. She's given many speeches in the federal parliament crowing about her incredible achievement. She still can't answer that basic question: how many small businesses are impacted, Minister? We'd love to know the answer.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">More importantly, how many small businesses are going to impacted by the soon-to-be changes that you're proposing around same-day payments on superannuation? I can give you a number. It comes from a report from MYOB, who do the payroll systems for a large chunk of the country, Minister. If you'd care to go to page 9 of the report, called <span style="font-style:italic;">Securing Australia's </span><span style="font-style:italic;">Superannuation</span><span style="font-style:italic;">: MYOB submission</span>, it says:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">This suggests that approximately 22.6% of businesses would be at risk of insolvency—</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">from the government's legislation.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">So another simple question, Minister: how many small businesses will be made insolvent because of your proposed changes? It's a simple question and one to which I've no doubt you can provide some sort of simple answer. Of course we know you won't, because you don't bother looking, because you haven't done the work. I know you've done sloppy, but we need you to actually step up.</span>
                </p>
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            </talk.text>
          </speech>
          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2268</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Jarrett, Madonna MP</name>
                <name.id>298574</name.id>
                <electorate>Brisbane</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="298574" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms JARRETT</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Brisbane</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">10:58</span>):  I think it's a bit rough, being lectured by those opposite on how to run a budget and an economy for the people! But let's remind you all that in 2022 the government inherited an economy riddled with deficit and trillions of dollars in LNP debt, all wrapped up in waste and rorts. This government has worked hard to turn the economy around. In our first term, we stabilised and strengthened the economy and got inflation down. Now, wages are up, unemployment is low, and the budget is moving forward positively.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But the work doesn't stop there, because we know that people are still doing it tough. And Labor is delivering a budget for people. We're delivering what we said we would. Here are a few examples: the national minimum wage and award wage increases of 3½ per cent; paid parental leave increasing to 24 weeks; another $150 in energy bill relief; and—one of my favourites—cutting 20 per cent off student loan debts for three million Australians, many of whom live in Brisbane. This also comes on top of—let's not forget—the tax cuts last year and more that are on the way.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But more is being done to help people with the cost of living and to improve living standards—first, in housing. Everyone should have a safe place they call home. The challenges we face here are very complex, but that's why Labor is making the single biggest investment in housing since World War II: $43 billion across the board. Part of that includes the five per cent deposit scheme, which last week was made available to all first home buyers.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Second, there's health and mental health. On this side of the House, we believe access to affordable health care is a right not a privilege. That's why the government is making record investments in Medicare and health. Fifty Medicare urgent care clinics will open throughout the rest of the year, and bulk-billing is expanding. I'm really pleased to say that the new Medicare urgent care clinic for Brisbane's inner north is open for tender. That may even have closed by now, but we're hoping to see that start up early next year. It means that many people, including young people who are putting off seeing a doctor because of the cost, can now go and get the care that they need.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Third, let's look at women and what the government has been doing to support the livelihoods of women across the country. It has been closing the gender pay gap. There have been record investments in women's health, including in contraceptives, menopausal hormonal therapies, endometriosis et cetera. These are now much more affordable. Let's not forget cheaper child care. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">While the coalition focus on themselves and pretend that they know how to run a budget, we remain laser focused on delivering for all Australians. The Labor government is working every day to deliver for Australians. We're helping people earn more and to keep more of what they earn, and we're helping to improve living standards across Australia. We've got something to be proud of.</span>
                </p>
              </body>
            </talk.text>
          </speech>
          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2269</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Violi, Aaron MP</name>
                <name.id>300147</name.id>
                <electorate>Casey</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="300147" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr VIOLI</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Casey</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Opposition Chief Whip</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:01</span>):  I know the member for Brisbane is new, so I don't want to hold her to account. I appreciate she has to repeat the government's talking points. I talked about this a lot last term. I'll talk about it again. It's important. Facts matter. The $1 trillion debt that the government supposedly inherited, which they keep talking about, is not true. Don't take my word for it. Take the word of ABC Fact Check. ABC Fact Check, that right-wing news organisation, has said that the government's claim of inheriting $1 trillion in debt is false. It is not true; it is spin. So I would urge those new members on the government side to not repeat the Treasurer's talking points word for word, because you're misleading your communities and the Australian people.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The reality is that spin won't cut it for the Australian people. Cost-of-living pressures continue to be a challenge for families in my home of Casey and for all Australians across the country. Can the Treasurer explain why the price of food is up 16 per cent? Why is the price of health care up 15 per cent? Why is the price of housing up 18 per cent? Why is the price of insurance up 21 per cent? Why is the price of education up 17 per cent? Alarmingly, why are the prices of gas and electricity both up 38 per cent, impacting every Australian, every business and every community group? This is all under this Treasurer's watch.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The reality—and the answer—is the incompetence of this Treasurer. He's all about spin. He's not able to turn up. I note he is not here today. He does not have any solutions to the challenges that the Australian people face, and the Australian people are facing them every day. We just saw that here. Three-and-a-half years in, this government is still blaming the previous government. We do not want excuses for the incompetence of the Treasurer, who does not even deem the parliamentary process important enough to be here to respect it. I will acknowledge the Assistant Treasurer, who has taken the time to be here. In many ways it is probably better that he is here, given he is a doctor of economics. The Treasurer is a doctor of political spin. As many people know, the Assistant Treasurer is the brains behind the operation, so there might be some small hope, but he will continue to get railroaded by a Treasurer who is insistent on spin. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know that the Treasurer is distracted. He's been missing lately. It's almost like the Treasurer has been sidelined by the Prime Minister. The Treasurer's a bit MIA at the moment because—</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">An opposition member interjecting</span>—  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="300147" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr VIOLI:</span>
                    </a>  He could be counting the numbers. He's not counting the budget numbers. He's very quietly counting other numbers, because we understand that's the endgame for this Treasurer. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We saw it recently at the productivity roundtable. The Prime Minister said, 'We're going to have a productivity roundtable.' That was the first time the Prime Minister had mentioned productivity in 3½ years. That's probably why it dropped over five per cent under his watch in the first term. But then the Treasurer's said: 'I've got an opportunity. I can spin it. It's a roundtable for economic reform.' The Treasurer's gone big, and he's gone bold. But the problem is that he's not willing to do any economic reform. He doesn't have the courage, or, potentially, the Prime Minister's not letting him, because the next day the Prime Minister came out and stamped his authority on the Treasurer and said: 'No, this is a productivity roundtable. We're focused on productivity.' He put the Treasurer back in his place. I would warn the Treasurer to be careful because the last two cabinet ministers that really put some pressure on the Prime Minister's authority are no longer in cabinet. To use the member for Chifley's own words, they got the factional assassins to do the work. The Treasurer should be careful there.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>But even after all this hoopla and spin of the productivity roundtable—it was so important—what did we come up with? One outcome from three days. One solution: we're going to suspend the building and construction code. Great idea! It just happened to be a coalition policy that this government criticised during the campaign. After three days, they came up with one thing—taking coalition policy. The reality is that it is all spin for this government. They have no solutions to the challenges the Australia people face. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired.)</span></span>
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              </body>
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2269</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Violi, Aaron MP</name>
                  <name.id>300147</name.id>
                  <electorate>Casey</electorate>
                  <party>LP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
                </talker>
              </talk.start>
              <talk.text>
              </talk.text>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2269</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Mulino, Daniel MP</name>
                <name.id>132880</name.id>
                <electorate>Fraser</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="132880" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr MULINO</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fraser</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Treasurer and Minister for Financial Services</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:06</span>):  We've seen a lot from the opposition when it comes to very well rehearsed rhetoric and not much when it comes to content. I can only imagine that in the opposition offices this morning there was a great deal of activity, with speeches being practised in front of mirrors for this afternoon's debate. I think it would have been better if the time was spent writing those speeches, rather than practising the ones that were delivered here.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'll refer to some comments made by the shadow Treasurer in his speech in relation to the state of the budget. That is one of the greatest areas of contrast—what we inherited and what we currently see. When we came to office, we inherited nine years of promised budget repair. We succeeded a government that said it was going to deliver a budget back in the black. We inherited a situation where a government had even made the coffee mugs. That was a government that was very strong when it came to crockery but not very strong when it came to the actual budget.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We turned two Liberal deficits around and delivered two Labor surpluses. We brought the deficit down in our third year to a fifth of what we inherited from those opposite. When it came to the bottom line, this government delivered a substantial improvement. That is reflected in the fact that our overall budget position improved by $209 billion—the biggest nominal improvement in the budget position that has been seen. Debt is $188 billion lower in 2024-25; that represents a saving of $60 billion in interest costs as a consequence. That $60 billion can be spent on services for people. That $60 billion can be spent on cost-of-living improvements, things that those opposite reject. Real payments growth is estimated to average 1.7 per cent per year under this government, which is less than half of that under those opposite. There have been real structural improvements. We have found $100 billion in savings—real structural improvements. Those opposite in their last budget found none.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When it comes to the budget situation, which is what the shadow Treasurer spent most of his speech on, this government has delivered substantial improvements and substantial achievements. That's reflected in the macroeconomic situation. We've seen quarterly headline and underlying inflation at around four-year lows. We've seen annual real wages growth for seven consecutive quarters. That can be contrasted with those opposite and their shocking decade of economic mismanagement, when real wages were going backwards. The economy is expanding. We've seen interest rates cut three times in six months, and 1.1 million jobs have been created since we came to government. That is a record for any government in a single term. We're seeing the macroeconomics results of the government's strong fiscal management.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When we look at what those opposite offered at the last election, they offered higher taxes and they rejected our personal income taxes. It's still not clear what they think of that even now. They offer lower wages—as always—bigger deficits and more debt. No wonder that agenda was rejected. When we see what the Leader of the Opposition offered in her first major economic speech, it can be described only as a terrifying reheat of Joe Hockey's shocking 2014 budget speech.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know, as previous speakers on this side have indicated, that people are still doing it tough, and that's why we have a range of measures which are providing support to people. Those measures include giving people more in their pay packets. We've seen real wages increasing. We've also seeing measures, starting on 1 July, increasing the national minimum wage and award wages by 3.5 per cent. We've got the super guarantee increasing to 12 per cent—a real, solid, concrete measure which will improve people's retirement income security, and that is after such a long period where every single increase in the SG was opposed by those opposite. Paid parental leave is increased to 24 weeks, and now super is being paid on government paid parental leave. There's $150 in additional support for people's energy bills and $10,000 in incentive payments for new housing apprentices. All of these are concrete measures, like the cheaper home batteries, which are being taken up by tens of thousands of households—more than 75,000 at last measure.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Those measures are worth focusing on for the practical benefits they are providing to people, but I remind the chamber that almost every single one of those measures were opposed by those opposite. More meaningful, responsible cost-of-living help will continue to roll out. Tax cuts for every taxpayer kicked in last year, with two more tax cuts next year and the year after. There are practical measures like urgent care clinics being rolled out right across the country. This government is delivering.</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2270</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Spender, Allegra MP</name>
                <name.id>286042</name.id>
                <electorate>Wentworth</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="286042" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms SPENDER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Wentworth</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:11</span>):  I would like to question the government today about two critical areas of economic reform—principles for tax reform and fiscal rules. I believe these are interrelated and absolutely critical to sustainable budget management.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">First is tax reform. I was very heartened to hear the Treasurer acknowledge the need for the tax system to better help young people build prosperous lives, to drive productivity and investment in our businesses, and to be on a sustainable footing. I acknowledge his openness to taking on a tax reform agenda. This is hard to do. I believe there is an opportunity to work towards challenging but necessary economic reforms that set Australia up for the coming decades. I've been championing tax reform and productivity reform since I got to parliament, and it is heartening to see the government back this approach. I believe that if we fail to act on significant economic reform, we will stagnate—we will lock in stagnating living standards.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to question the government on its frame for tax reform. Specifically, I ask the government and the Treasurer whether the government will commit to a revenue-neutral approach to tax reform where the reform—at a minimum—does not seek to increase the overall tax burden on Australians over the short-to-medium term. I believe that model is absolutely critical to successful tax reform in this country, and the reasons for adopting that model are various. Firstly, and very importantly, the Australian people do not support higher taxes on average. This is borne out in survey after survey. They are suspicious of tax reform that they feel is just increasing money to the government rather than to them. Secondly, the current federal tax take is relatively high in historical terms. Thirdly, the history of significant Australian tax reform, particularly the Hawke-Keating reforms and the Howard-Costello reforms, adopted this model of, at most, revenue neutrality and, at best, reducing the tax burden on the country. We should learn from their examples. Finally, because the opposition have also acknowledged publicly that they are open to tax reform that does not increase overall tax burden in the country, this means there is a rare opportunity to get the reform through the parliament—I should hope!</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The second area I would like to question the government on is fiscal rules. This pre-election budget passed an important milestone: government spending reached 27 per cent of GDP, the highest point since 1986, outside the COVID-19 pandemic emergency measures. There have been real cost-of-living pressures that the government have sought to address in recent times, and I acknowledge that. However, the growth in government spending has been far too high over the last three years. In fact, nominal expenditure rose more than eight per cent last financial year, and this is unsustainable. Global economic agencies, including the IMF and the OECD are calling on governments around the world—including Australia—to adopt clearer fiscal rules to avoid further burdening future generations with debt and further worsening our intergenerational compact.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The government may well and have historically often pointed to the back-to-back surpluses they've delivered and the significantly improved budget outcomes for the financial year 2024-25 as evidence of their prudent fiscal management. However, in all three years, there has been a structural budget deficit, and at the same time the government has committed to significant off-budget spending that has run into the tens of billions of dollars. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There are going to be further demographic shifts in Australia which are going to put really significant extra burdens on the Australian government's budget. These are likely to be the shift to an older population and Defence requirements. These shifts are real, and they are growing. It makes it even more important right now to better control government spending. I do acknowledge the work that the government has done, in the case of aged care, with the opposition and the House more broadly, and also on the NDIS, acknowledging that there is a problem here in the sustainability of budget spending. But this is not enough. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To drive spending restraints, we need fiscal rules and a proper commitment to a charter of budget honesty. I acknowledge that governments of all stripes have been riding roughshod over the Charter of Budget Honesty over the last 15 years or so. So my second question to the Treasurer and to the government is: will this government commit to implementing key fiscal rules, including spending growth that is less than GDP growth over the cycle, and return to its obligations under the Charter of Budget Honesty?</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure agreed to.</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2271</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">F</span>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">inance </span>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">P</span>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">ortfolio </span>
                </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure, $2,360,875,000</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2271</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Laxale, Jerome MP</name>
                <name.id>299174</name.id>
                <electorate>Bennelong</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="299174" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr LAXALE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bennelong</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:17</span>):  Responsible economic management drives the decisions of this Albanese Labor government, now approaching four years in office, and these decisions have led to decreasing inflation, record low unemployment levels and paying down huge Liberal debts while also providing support for Australians for cost-of-living challenges. </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The myth that the Liberal Party is best placed to manage our economy has been well and truly busted not only by the past four years of Labor economic management but by comparison of that record against the nine years of rorts, waste and deficits of the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government. Let's not forget that it was they that promised us surpluses in 2013 and every subsequent year of their government but didn't deliver one—none from nine. Then we came to government, and, through political and economic discipline, Labor have delivered two budget surpluses, and last year's financial position is around a fifth of what was forecast by the former government. Our $100 billion budget turnaround was the highest nominal budget growth in Australian history. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our strong economic position has occurred due to decisions we've made. We've strengthened the labour market by building employment opportunities. We've invested in the Australian people through delivering cost-of-living relief that lowered childcare and healthcare expenses and provided energy bill relief. We adapted our spending strategy to meet the needs of this nation and moved far away from the stagnant action of the previous government. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We made this progress knowing that it would lay a strong foundation for our economy. The government understand that long-term sustainability doesn't happen automatically, and our record shows that we've been putting in the work. Despite the huge Liberal deficits that we inherited, our fiscal position remains the envy of the world. Our three final budget outcomes have delivered a cumulative underlying cash balance of $28 billion, which directly benefits the Australian people. We've given every taxpayer a tax cut, and we're going to continue to do so. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The ABS has reported that underlying inflation fell in August and has remained within the RBA's target range for a consecutive nine months, and we've got headline inflation at its lowest rate in four years. This means that we're helping individuals pay off debt, supporting cheaper loans and mortgages and boosting spending that will support our economy. But it doesn't stop there. International ratings agency S&amp;P has endorsed the economic progress of this government by reaffirming Australia's AAA long-term sovereign credit rating under Labor, only one of nine countries to have been rated with this merit. It backs in the confidence that I have in our leaders. S&amp;P have praised the nation's fiscal performance, recognising the strong standing of our government's economic position.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These achievements don't happen magically. They are a result of time, resources and funding invested into the Australian people and our economy. They're supported by practical, reasonable and substantial actions to back key areas of our economy that mattered most. This includes sectors like the care economy and the NDIS and aged-care systems, both of which are undergoing consistent review and reform to fight structural pressures. We fostered the creation of over 1.1 million jobs, and, importantly, women's workforce participation is at a record high. We've made sure that these jobs are supported by living wages, which has reduced the gender pay gap to an all-time low. Women are now earning $255 more per week on average than they were in 2022, all because of a Labor government. We've increased wages in aged care and early education. We've improved paid parental leave, and we announced $790 million to deliver a women's health package that delivers better health outcomes for women and also puts dollars straight back into the pockets of Australians.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Compare that to what the Liberals proposed—a $600 billion nuclear scheme funded in part by cutting the public service, an attack on work-from-home provisions and an outrageous super-for-housing scheme whilst blocking construction of more housing, increasing income taxes and opposing necessary cost-of-living measures. No wonder the electorate rejected that scorecard. The great myth of Australian politics, that the Liberals are the great economic managers, has been nuked. Their economic credibility has been left in tatters.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2272</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">O'Brien, Ted MP</name>
                <name.id>138932</name.id>
                <electorate>Fairfax</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="138932" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TED O'BRIEN</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fairfax</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Deputy Leader of the Opposition</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:22</span>):  I wish to acknowledge the Assistant Minister for Productivity, Competition, Charities and Treasury, who's in the chamber today. I also want to acknowledge the Assistant Treasurer, who was here for the debate just passed. The reason I want to acknowledge both of these gentlemen is that the Treasurer himself has decided not to turn up today. On one hand, I sort of get it. His performance has been absolutely dreadful as the Treasurer. But I also get it because both the assistant minister for productivity and the Assistant Treasurer actually have PhDs in economics. They understand numbers. We know the Treasurer, to his credit, also has a PhD, albeit in political communications. So, where there is a well-scripted speech about the economy, it is important to have the Treasurer there because he is best in class when it comes to the government's front bench on political communications. Indeed, he has a PhD in it. But, when it comes to these sorts of debates in the chamber, you often see him missing from action, and that's for good reason—he actually doesn't understand the economy itself. So I do give credit to those opposite who are here who actually do have some training in economics.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">What they understand as much as the coalition does is the Australian people are feeling poorer, because they are. The Australian economy is looking weaker because it is. Australia as a nation is becoming increasingly dependent on foreign supply chains because we are losing our own sovereign capabilities. A lot of this has to do with the budget position. In particular, we have seen debt go up. Debt is forecast by the Labor government to hit $1 trillion this financial year, up to $1.2 trillion by the time of the next election. To put this in context, every single minute of the day, an additional $50,000 is spent on interest payments on this government's debt. That is the situation we have today. If indeed the government had been acting prudently, responsibly, we would have $100 billion less debt today than we do. But they haven't done that. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The thing is the more the debt grows, the more they are effectively placing a burden on the next generation of Australians. There is a moral aspect—or should I say 'immoral' aspect—to the government's actions here. The more they bump up debt, the more the next generation will be slugged with it to pick it up. We're talking here about younger Australians who already, thanks to the government, cannot find a house. Young Australians are struggling to find homes because this government has failed on all of its targets. Those few who have homes and have an average mortgage are paying about $1,800 more every single month thanks to this government. And that's just on interest payments. It's quite extraordinary. That's over $21,000 every single year due to this government. These are young Australians who are being lumped with so much debt. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Here's the problem. It's only going to get worse from here. It's only getting worse. Right now, younger Australians are struggling, but as they go through their life they are not only going to have more debt; they are, thanks to this government, going to have more tax. We can see that because the only tax proposal on the table from this government is to tax unrealised capital gains in superannuation funds. We know very well that that breaches a red line in tax law, and, of course, they're not indexing this, which means that more and more young people are going to be hit by this tax over time. Paul Keating himself has made his views on this very clear. This is unfair. There is a moral obligation here.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The problem is that this government will not stop its spending spree, and it will not start to grow the Australian economy. Government spending is growing at four times the rate of the Australian economy. They are spending $160 billion more this financial year than the coalition's last budget. They just can't help it. The Treasurer, who's not here, just can't help spending. This is a problem. I feel for the two assistant ministers underneath him, who actually understand how the economy works. My question is: Will the government stop the spending spree? Will the government start growing the economic pipe? Will the government introduce quantifiable fiscal rules?</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2273</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Sitou, Sally MP</name>
                <name.id>298121</name.id>
                <electorate>Reid</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="298121" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms SITOU</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Reid</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:27</span>):  I first would like to congratulate the previous speaker for his election to the positions of deputy leader of the Liberal Party and shadow Treasurer. Given that he was the architect of the nuclear energy policy that those opposite took to the last election, a failure of a policy that would have cost $600 billion and increased energy costs, one might say that he failed upwards in this case! </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Good luck to those opposite. They've chosen a shadow Treasurer who wanted to give the Australian public a $600 billion bill for a policy which was going to increase energy prices. But good luck to them. Certainly the shadow Treasurer did not bring very much, in terms of policy offerings, to the previous campaign. Maybe the one thing the shadow Treasurer will now do is provide policy offerings. Those opposite are going through an identity crisis at the moment. They're going to go through their <span style="font-style:italic;">Eat</span><span style="font-style:italic;"> Pray Love</span> moment of discovering themselves, what they stand for and what policies they want to bring forward, but let's hope they ditch their nuclear energy policy. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Certainly on this side of the House, we have been singularly focused on the Australian people. We're  not fighting amongst ourselves for the spoils of office. Instead, we are singularly focused on helping the Australian people because we want to deliver for them. That's the whole point of us being in this place. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When we came into government we inherited $1 trillion of Liberal Party debt and two Liberal deficits. Now, under Labor, our debt is $188 billion lower and we've turned those two Liberal deficits into back-to-back surpluses. Inflation is now under control and within the Reserve Bank's target band. We've been able to do all of this while providing cost-of-living support to Australians, including cheaper medicines, tax cuts for all Australians, free TAFE so that we can get more people trained up into areas where we have desperate skill shortages, real wages growth and cheaper child care. These are all measures that those opposite voted against, unfortunately.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let's contrast that with what happened in the last election campaign. The Liberal Party had their nuclear energy policy. The other policy offering they had—and it was a very bare cupboard indeed—was to cut 41,000 Public Service jobs over five years. It felt like Groundhog Day. The one policy they ever pull out is to cut Public Service jobs. We've been there; we've done that, and it didn't work. The Liberal Party cut Public Service jobs when they were in government. Veterans had to wait years and years to get their claims processed. I note that those opposite always claim to be on the side of veterans. They are the first to stand up at Anzac Day services and talk about how they want to support veterans, but, when it came to actually processing their applications so that they could get the funding that they legitimately deserved, you failed them.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">You failed to properly staff our passport offices, so Australians couldn't even get their passports when they wanted them. You failed to adequately staff our immigration department, so there were gaping holes allowing known human traffickers into this country, including into my electorate. A gentleman by the name Binjun Xie was allowed to sex traffic in my electorate because of the gaping holes you left.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2273</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wilson, Tim MP</name>
                <name.id>IMW</name.id>
                <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TIM WILSON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Goldstein</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:32</span>):  In the five minutes allotted to me in this speech, 2.4 Australians' entire income will simply go to financing the nation's debt—$50,000 a minute. With $104,000 as the average income, 2.4 Australians' entire income will just go to financing the nation's debt. If the limit of the contribution towards financing the nation's debt was limited to the extent that I was speaking, I can assure you that I would be silent. The reality is that it will go beyond those five minutes and will continue in perpetuity. The reality is that this government has no capacity or will to constrain its spending because it is addicted to making sure it spends other people's money. If you've ever seen it—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</span>
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sitting suspended from 11:3</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">4</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;"> to </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">11:41</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TIM WILSON:</span>
                    </a>  As I was remarking before we were rudely interrupted by the incompetence of the Leader of the House—</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Government members interjecting</span>—</span>
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                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TIM WILSON:</span>
                    </a>  it's a five-minute speech—the entire income of 2.4 Australians will go to financing the nation's debt, and that is material because it is going to continue for the next five minutes and the next five minutes and the next five minutes in perpetuity. When you have $50,000 per minute going towards financing the nation's debt and the only response from the government is to palm out more cash and continue the spending spree in perpetuity, without any sense of fiscal restraint, this is only going to become a bigger problem, where the rate of expenditure is going to increase and the volume of debt is going to increase. And, of course, we're going to borrow more from tomorrow to spend today. We're going to have more debt, it's going to fuel inflation, and Australians are going to pay higher interest rates, and it's going to be directly connected to the consequences and the decision-making of the Albanese government. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Even worse than that, at every point that this government is given a choice about whether it wants to pull in the belt, whether it wants to show economic responsibility and restraint—simple things, like when we've seen hard evidence in the public domain now that public money is being used to facilitate cartel kickbacks to the CFMEU and where Australian taxpayers' dollars are finding their way into brown paper bags to facilitate cartel kickbacks to criminal and organised gangs. You'd think the federal government would say: 'No, that's Australian taxpayers' money. It shouldn't be given to organised crime.' You'd think they'd say, 'No, we're not going to borrow from Australians and future generations—and, more importantly, your children—to facilitate payments to people like Mick Gatto.' But the federal minister, Amanda Rishworth, will not even audit the volume of money that is currently going to projects, to ensure that that money is not going to criminal gangs. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Last night in the Senate it was revealed that three state government projects have reported to the federal government concerns about corruption and cartel kickbacks. Twenty-eight days after, we have contacted both the federal minister for infrastructure, Minister King, and the federal minister for industrial relations, Minister Rishworth. They have refused to commission an audit to make sure that Australian taxpayers' dollars are not going to fuel and fund organised crime. So we're not talking about esoteric matters; we're talking about very serious matters. Right now, Australian taxpayers' money is at risk of financing organised crime. And you are not just paying the debt; you are paying and financing the interest on that debt, and it is pushing up the cost of the interest on your house. This is the fundamental immoral position of this government—that they will not even take a casual interest or put proper resources in to make sure we have a crackdown on organised crime and whether there's a direct connection to what you the Australian taxpayer are paying. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">So the simple question I have for this government is: will you commission an audit to assess whether Australian taxpayers' money—not just taxes you have today, not just money and revenue you have today, but the debt you're borrowing from future generations—is going towards financing cartel kickbacks and corruption? Will you question whether it is going to go into brown paper bags?</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="text-align:center;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sitting suspended from 11:45 to 11:5</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">7</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TIM WILSON:</span>
                    </a>  It's quite clear. The government simply will not answer whether or not any federal money is going towards cartel kickbacks and brown paper bags through public-sector projects. If the minister will not answer these simple questions, then how can we have confidence that they're not going to not just those projects or the CFMEU but her own account?</span>
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                  <page.no>2273</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Wilson, Tim MP</name>
                  <name.id>IMW</name.id>
                  <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
                  <party>LP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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                  <page.no>2273</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Wilson, Tim MP</name>
                  <name.id>IMW</name.id>
                  <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
                  <party>LP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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                <talker>
                  <page.no>2274</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Wilson, Tim MP</name>
                  <name.id>IMW</name.id>
                  <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
                  <party>LP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2274</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Claydon, Sharon MP</name>
                <name.id>248181</name.id>
                <electorate>Newcastle</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="248181" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms CLAYDON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Newcastle</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Deputy Speaker</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">11:57</span>):  I welcome the opportunity to speak to Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 2025-2026 with a special focus around women's economic equality, because it's never an afterthought for the Albanese Labor government but rather the centrepiece of our economic plan. If you're going to talk economics, you need to talk about how you achieve gender equity, and you are never going to get there, on the other side of the chamber, so listen up. Since 2022 women's total employment has increased by 193,400 positions, with more women now in fulltime work with greater security, higher pay and the opportunity to build long-term financial independence. Importantly these achievements are much more than just statistics. They mean women are able to earn to their full potential, reduce reliance on insecure work and provide stability for their families, as well as boosting our nation's productivity.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've also taken real steps to close the gender-pay gap. Labor has legislated to make gender pay equity a core principle in workplace relations. We've pushed for stronger wage outcomes in industries where women dominate, like aged care, health, education and social services, and we have delivered four consecutive increases to the minimum wage, lifting the pay of nearly three million Australians, most of them women. Women on average are now earning $255.10 more per week than they did in May 2022, when we were elected.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Labor's doing work right across the economy to lift women's pay. Closing the gender-pay gap is a key ambition of Labor's <span style="font-style:italic;">Working for women: a strategy for gender equality</span>—the first national strategy for gender equality this nation's ever seen, I note. While we've achieved the lowest gender-pay gap on record and the highest record of women's workforce participation, we know there is more to do, and we will keep going. We know the unequal burden of care is one of the biggest drivers of women's economic disadvantage, and that's why we've expanded paid parental leave to six months and, for the first time, we are paying superannuation on that leave. We've made child care more affordable for more than a million families, making it possible for more women to stay in or return to work. These changes mean that caring is no longer an automatic penalty for women's economic participation and that women's retirement savings will no longer suffer because they took the time to raise their family.</span>
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                    <span style="font-style:italic;">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</span>
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sitting suspended from 1</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">1</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">:</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">59</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;"> to 12:11</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure agreed to.</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2275</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">Employment and Workplace Relations</span>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;"> Portfolio</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure, $3,019,700,000</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2275</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Ambihaipahar, Ash MP</name>
                <name.id>315618</name.id>
                <electorate>Barton</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="315618" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms AMBIHAIPAHAR</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Barton</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:12</span>):  I rise to speak on the appropriation bill. I have had the opportunity to practice as an employment industrial relations lawyer for about 10 years. I've had the privilege of helping workers with underpayments, unfair dismissals, general protections, enterprise bargaining and much more. This experience has traversed various industries, such as construction and health. I've also been able to support employers in navigating workplace relations law, ensuring that they are compliant whilst providing the advice and representation that balances our operational challenges and the rights of workers. This was primarily in the hospitality sector, working for small-business hotel operators and also for large employers.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I come into this chamber having a wealth of experience and a good grasp of what good employment and industrial relations reform can do to help workers. I come into this chamber having a good understanding that good policy that supports workers can also support employers, what good wages growth means to workers and how that plays a role in the retention of workers but also in providing stability for employers.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese government is committed to workers keeping more of what they earn and supporting Australians with the cost of living. When I was campaigning in my electorate of Barton, I know people voted for higher wages, and that is exactly what this Labor government is doing. Real wage growth is pertinent to helping workers with the cost of living and making sure that they can get ahead. This government has delivered the strongest annual real wage growth in five years. We can see that the reforms for enterprise bargaining are having a practical impact, where there are a record 2.8 million Aussies covered by an enterprise agreement.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One thing I learnt during my time in the union movement is that people covered by an enterprise agreement tend to have much higher wage growth than those who are on the award. Under this government, enterprise bargaining agreements are delivering average annual wage increases of 4.2 per cent. This is above inflation and average wage increases in the broader economy. Furthermore, as of 1 July this year, all minimum and award wage employees got a 3.5 per cent wage rise. This Labor government has consistently advocated sustainable rises for the minimum and award wages at the Fair Work Commission to ensure we protect our low-paid workers from the pressures of the cost of living.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I know how important penalty rates are both to my community of Barton and across the country, especially for young workers. The recent legislative changes guarantee that approximately 2.6 million people who are award reliant, who slog it hard on public holidays and weekends at the cost of not being with their family and friends, have their penalty rates protected. Penalty and overtime rates are crucial to ensuring people who rely on these entitlements have them protected by law. These are generally the young workers who work in retail and hospitality and in the caring industry. We also understand that workers who tend to be award reliant are more likely to be women. This is an important reform to protect not only young workers but also women.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Furthermore, this Albanese Labor government has focused on reform to remove barriers from bargaining that have been especially significant for workers in low-paid female dominated sectors like childhood education and aged care. That's because, unlike those on the other side of the chamber, we recognise the historical gender based undervaluation of workers in these industries. Because of the Albanese Labor government, the gender pay gap is now at its equal lowest level on record of 11.5 per cent. We have placed gender equality at the heart of the economic management approach by passing legislation to enable that principle in the Fair Work Commission's decision-making process.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We on this side of the chamber understand that this policy reform is what Australians and the people of Barton voted for. When we talk about wages, workplace laws and fairness, we are really talking about people—the nurse finishing her multiple night shifts in a row; the hospitality worker spending every Saturday night behind the bar, instead of with their family; and the construction worker who just wants to get home safely after a long day on the site. These are the Australians who trust us to get it right—to deliver a system that values their contribution and rewards their hard work. That is exactly what this Labor government is doing.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2275</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wilson, Tim MP</name>
                <name.id>IMW</name.id>
                <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="IMW" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TIM WILSON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Goldstein</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:17</span>):  One of the things that Australians always held their head high about was that we were supposed to be a nation free of corruption. We were supposed to be a nation where good, honest, decent people got themselves into positions of public office, and where, when there was corruption, people of good, decent, honest reputation called it out. The problem we now have is that the government has become the enabler of corruption. This is a systemic problem now across not just the federal government but the state governments as well.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Every day this is being revealed across the country, whether it's the Wood inquiry in Queensland or in media reports in New South Wales, Victoria, Western Australia or South Australia. It is explicitly clear that government projects are being commissioned where the CFMEU, in concert with the government, is ensuring brown paper bags of public money are being transferred to the few, for their benefit, and these are being paid for by the Australian worker. This is the problem. The cartel kickbacks that are going through and are funded by your Australian taxes are now part of the systemic nature of the increased costs of Australian projects funded through the industrial relations system.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">You are not just paying for it through higher taxes and debt into the future but increasingly paying it through higher costs for projects across the country and, of course, through lower returns and lower values. This is the disaster of the Albanese government, the Allan government and so many other governments across the country. The only state in this nation that's been prepared to call it out has been the LNP government in Queensland, where they've commissioned an inquiry, the Wood inquiry, that's directly called out the cartel kickbacks that have existed in the CFMEU. In doing so, they've directly exposed what is now happening. Millions of dollars are being funnelled through the facilitation arrangements established through the industrial relations system enabled by the Labor Party. They are making sure the money makes its way into organised crime and the trade union movement so it can then, of course, be kicked into the ALP campaign coffers. That's being paid for by average Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is the most disgraceful episode in this nation's history, and I note the silence on the government benches right now. They know that, if they stand up and protest, they protest too much, because they know how much they're complicit in this crime. It is time to stand up and it's time to call it out. Every time they sit there in silence and do nothing, they continue to be complicit. Last night in the Senate—only last night—three states, Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland, reported to government their concerns about corruption and cartel kickbacks across three projects in their states. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've made a simple request of the Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations and the Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government to do an audit to make sure that public money is not going towards cartel kickbacks and brown paper bags or into the CFMEU and organised crime, and they're refusing. The simple question is: is public money going to finance organised crime? It should be an easy answer, but the minister refuses to look, and there's a simple reason why. It's because she knows that, if she shuts down the cartel kickback supply chain, at some point it'll stop feeding people within the Labor Party ecosystem and the cartel they have operating.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, we see this consistently across the industrial relations system, whether it's with the industry super funds that use marketing expenses to shower money onto the trade union movement, which miraculously makes significant financial contributions to the Labor Party so they can stay in office and they can keep taking money out of Australian workers' wages and showering it upon themselves; whether it's with the trade union movement so that they can campaign for Labor to be in a position to change the laws to favour them at the expense of ordinary Australians; or whether it's making sure that they suppress wages for Australians so that they can take advantage and strongarm them and use their muscle. Wherever it is, the only people who are winning are the Australian Labor Party, because the industrial relations system in Australia today is not about empowering workers. The industrial relations system in Australia today is about control. It's about controlling Australian people and Australian workers and making sure that they do the Labor Party's bidding. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is the immoral nature of this government. They simply do not have the best interests of Australians at heart and they are not interested in how they're going to empower them to be part of the future success of this country. So my simple question to the minister, though she hasn't bothered to turn up, is: when are you going to stop the kickbacks, when are you going to start to focus on the Australian people, and when are you going to stop the money flows to organised crime?</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2276</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Garland, Carina MP</name>
                <name.id>295588</name.id>
                <electorate>Chisholm</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="295588" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr GARLAND</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Chisholm</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:22</span>):  Australia has always led the way on some pretty important workplace reforms that empower workers and make life fairer for our communities. Before coming to this place, I had the honour of working in the oldest continuously operating trades and labour council in the world. This is where the eight-hour day was first won, and it is where campaigns for equal pay have been led from. As Australians, we still have a very important role to play in pushing workplace relations into the future to have more empowered workplaces and more-equal pay. In an increasingly, volatile global economic environment, it's really important that we maintain and build upon the high standards that workers have fought for throughout Australian history. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Workers deserve secure employment that is founded upon the values of enterprise, opportunity and fairness, and the Albanese Labor government is delivering just that. In 2022 we made a commitment to Australians that we would repair the horrible damage of the previous coalition governments who, in nine years, achieved nothing but wage stagnation and growing gender pay inequality. Three years after we were elected, we've delivered upon our commitments, and we are continuing to make structural reforms that will serve working families for decades to come. I want to acknowledge the many workers and their families and communities who have really led a lot of this work, often through their trade unions. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our agenda is built upon a commitment to getting wages moving again and to improving employment outcomes. Unemployment is low, with more than 14.6 million people in work, which is a record high. But it's not enough to simply put people to work; as the government, we have a duty to ensure that Australians feel confident about their future. That's why our government has made getting more workers under an enterprise agreement that works for them, not against them, a priority. Enterprise agreements, when they provide a level playing field for both parties, reduce disputes, offer fairer compensation and increase productivity. Constructive dialogue between employers and workers keeps our workplaces healthy, and it is clear that only Labor will facilitate this dialogue. It's why more Australians are covered by enterprise agreements than ever before, and the reason why industrial disputes are at a historic low.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our assurance that no Australian be left behind is also why we are closing loopholes in the modern award safety net, protecting the 2.6 million Australians who rely on them. Current laws allow employers to roll up penalty and overtime rates into a single rate of pay, leaving employees without the compensation they're owed, and Labor is changing that.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's also well known that the face of workplace culture is changing. Fewer workers are sitting in the office for five days a week; instead, they are opting to work from home. I think the Australian people have made very clear that they deeply value the ability to work from home and have that flexibility for their families and communities. Of course, this extends to the right to disconnect, and Labor is legislating provisions that promote sensible discussions about work-life balance. Unlike those opposite, who went into the election with the bizarre plans to make life harder for working families, we believe in making work as flexible as possible rather than turning back the clock.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The clock moves forward too on gender equality under our government. We have put gender equality at the heart of the workplace relations system, ensuring that the Fair Work Commission must consider pay equity in its decision-making. Under our government, women are earning more and keeping more of what they earn. Australian women working full time are, on average, around $250 better off weekly than they were when we first came into office in May 2022. It's because of our reforms that we have been able to narrow the gender pay gap. It's now at a record low of 11.5 per cent. We still absolutely have work to do, but that is certainly better than the 14.1 per cent that we inherited from those opposite—standing in the way of progress as always. Women have been undervalued in our workplaces for far too long, and that's why we've made it easier for workplaces in historically lower paid, female dominated industries to bargain collectively, delivering a pay increase of 15 per cent for early childhood educators.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our government knows there is more work to be done to make sure we have fair workplaces for everyone, and Australians have always led the way on progressive workplace reform and will continue to do so under our Labor government.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2277</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Buchholz, Scott MP</name>
                <name.id>230531</name.id>
                <electorate>Wright</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="230531" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr BUCHHOLZ</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Wright</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:27</span>):  It's always a privilege to make a contribution on the consideration in detail process. Traditionally, I would come and make a contribution, the other side would be adorned with the coinciding ministers, and we would ask a series of questions. On an issue as important as workplace relations, skills and training, you would think the minister would have put in an appearance. Geographically, his office is closer to this chamber than mine—but nothing! There is nothing from that on the other side. But guess what? These cameras here are broadcasting right around the country—</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">An honourable member interjecting</span>—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="230531" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr BUCHHOLZ:</span>
                    </a>  Keep up, cowboy. That's not the part of the thing that we're up to. We're on workplace relations and skills at the moment. It's the second speaker. Minister Giles should be here. The sector has asked me to ask questions, and I have those questions. Minister, this is the time when you answer the questions that the skills and training sector need to have answers to. We both want to see young Australians employed. We both want to see apprentice numbers improved. We are joined at the hip with our motivation in wanting to get those outcomes. He is doing his best, but I want to work more closely with the minister to ensure that we get outcomes better than what Labor are producing at the moment.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When we left government, the NCVER stated that there were 428,000 apprentices in the system. Today, there are 100,000 fewer. What's gone wrong? We need those apprentices. We need those apprentices to build the houses of the future that need to be built. We need those apprentices to build the industries that we need to thrive. We need those apprentices to build the pipeline of work that's coming. There are 100,000 fewer apprentices and trainees. There are 100,000 fewer plumbers, chippies, electricians, roofers, plasterers, glaziers—all skills we need to build the infrastructure of the future. With the pipeline of infrastructure our country needs, particularly in my state of Queensland, given we've won the Olympic Games and the infrastructure that's needed to host them, we need to be training those apprentices now so that they are job-ready for the task ahead.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's interesting to contrast the completion rates of the pay system against the private registered training organisations. Under Labor's watch, the TAFE completions are less than satisfactory. When you aggregate certificates I, II, III, IV and the diploma levels that the TAFE system provides, and then aggregate their completion rates, they're at around 40 per cent. And they command 70 per cent of the funding. Leave it to the private sector and the registered training organisations. They're well ahead with a completion rate of around 50 per cent. My question to the minister is: why don't we give more equity, more money, to those we get a greater benefit from as a government?</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Employers right across the country, from builders and tradies to healthcare and aged-care providers, are saying the same thing. They can't get the workers they need. It's not just the sector saying it; it's the Business Council and the peaks bodies saying that there are not enough people in the system. This government has its priorities wrong. Apprenticeships and trainee commencements have fallen sharply under this government, meaning fewer young Australians start the training needed to fill the jobs required in the future. Employers are being left without the required staff, projects are being delayed and opportunities are slipping through Australian fingers. It's not just an inconvenience for business; it's a drag on the economy. If you want to have a close look at why your productivity numbers are in the toilet, this is a great place to start, Labor.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I have some questions for the minister. There are over 100,000 fewer apprentices in the system. Why? Minister, how can Labor claim to be rebuilding the workplace and the workforce when industries like construction and aged care are facing record shortages of skilled workers? Minister, before the election, Labor promised to rebuild the skills pipeline and you have failed to do so. Minister, you've spent over $1.5 billion on fee-free TAFE. Why has that funding not produced more apprentices and trainees today than what we had when we left office? Minister, why hasn't Labor properly managed the targeted fee-free TAFE in areas like plumbing, mechanics and electrical trades where the skill shortages are most acute? A large scale of TAFE students are not completing— <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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                <talker>
                  <page.no>2277</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Buchholz, Scott MP</name>
                  <name.id>230531</name.id>
                  <electorate>Wright</electorate>
                  <party>LNP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2278</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Burnell, Matt MP</name>
                <name.id>300129</name.id>
                <electorate>Spence</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
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                    <a href="300129" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr BURNELL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Spence</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:32</span>):  In May this year, the Australian people voted for higher wages, more cooperative workplaces and responsible economic management. They voted for fairness. They voted for security.  They voted for a government that would stand up for working people and deliver on the promises it made. From the very beginning of our second term in government, we acted on our commitment to enshrine penalty rates in law. Penalty rates are not a bonus or a luxury. They are a critical part of the safety net that underpins fair wages and decent conditions. They are recognition of the sacrifices made by hardworking Australians who keep this country moving late at night, on weekends and during public holidays. For many, penalty rates are the difference between getting by and falling behind. That is why this legislation matters. It protects the safety net. It ensures that those entitlements cannot be undermined or traded away. It does all of this while maintaining flexibility in individual workplaces.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This week, we will also deliver on another important election commitment—baby Priya's bill. This bill will guarantee that parents dealing with the tragedy of stillbirth or early infant death will continue to access their employer paid parental leave. It's such a devastating time. It certainly matters. Time matters. Compassion matters. By safeguarding these entitlements, we give grieving parents the space they need to mourn and to heal. These reforms reflect the values we bring to government, the values of fairness and equality for all Australians.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That is why we have placed gender equity at the very centre of our workplace relations system. We are addressing the findings of the Fair Work Commission's historic gender undervaluation review. No woman should ever be paid less simply because of who she is or because of the sector she works in. We are committed to ensuring Australians can earn more and keep more of what they earn. This is why we put the case for a sustainable real-wage increase to the Fair Work Commission, and we won. From 1 July almost three million of Australia's workers saw their pay rise by 3½ per cent—a pay rise that put more money into their pockets, easing cost-of-living pressures at a time when every dollar counts.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know that higher wages are only one part of the task. It is why we are banning unfair non-compete clauses; they hold workers back, suppress wages and put a handbrake on productivity. It's why we are modernising our workplace laws to reflect the reality of work today. The simple truth is the nature of work has changed, and our laws must change with it. For too long the gig workers, the drivers, the riders, and the people delivering our Uber Eats and parcels have been left behind. They have faced insecure incomes, limited rights, little bargaining power and the constant fear of being cut off by an app without notice. That's why our government has acted. We have introduced a new category of employee-like workers, ensuring the Fair Work Commission can set minimum standards for those working through platforms, standards that cover pay terms, deductions, record-keeping and protections against unfair treatment.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">From February this year gig workers have had new safeguards against unfair deactivation. These safeguards were seen in the case of Mohammad Shareed Hotak. Mohammad is an Uber driver who had his account unfairly deactivated after he was attacked while working in his vehicle in Adelaide this year. After a review from Uber and a court case, Mohammad was reactivated on the Uber app. He will be paid nearly two months in lost wages for unfair deactivation. It is the first time a gig worker has won an unfair deactivation and had lost income repaid under national legislation that was passed earlier this year to better protect Australian workers. For gig workers, these reforms mean greater security, stronger protections and a fairer future. For all workers, they mean a government that will not let modern technology be used as a tool to strip away fairness. Every worker, no matter how they are employed, no matter which platform they use, deserve respect, protection and a fair go.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Step by step, reform by reform, we are delivering on the commitments we made to the Australian people: higher wages, stronger protections, fairer workplaces. That is the Labor way, that is our promise and that is exactly what we are delivering.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2279</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Small, Ben MP</name>
                <name.id>291406</name.id>
                <electorate>Forrest</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr SMALL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Forrest</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:37</span>):  Our industrial relations system is failing Australians under this government. The Australia I once knew was a place of hard work that rewarded effort, a place that granted flexibility to workers as well as bosses. Yet we have seen the CFMEU bosses enjoy pay rises of 25 per cent in five years, while construction workers' pay is down five per cent. That's how sick our system has become, but it is what we have come to expect. When union donations go into the Labor Party, union policy comes straight out. Donations in, policy out, and the only losers are ordinary Australians.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Industrial relations are no longer about fairness; they are about control. We continue to walk away from the principles that underpinned three decades of growth in this country—a simplified industrial relations system that protected and fostered flexibility and created harmonious partnerships between employers and employees. Unfortunately, we've got a government that treats small businesses like ATMs, unions that behave like cartels and super funds that feed the beast. The people who pay the price for this aren't union bosses—they're small businesses, workers and everyday Australians who are seeing the cost of living increasing while their motivation is disappearing. Why would a hardworking Aussie put in an extra few hours if it simply means this government gets a bigger slice of the pie?</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Treasurer is busy splurging the biggest budget take in history, and yet small businesses are being left behind or dying. Every month they have been in office Labor have added some form of new compliance onto small businesses. The result is businesses face record levels of insolvency and rising costs, and are suffocating under new industrial relations laws. We've already had more insolvencies this financial year as compared to last financial year, even though that was the very worst year on record. In cafes, on construction sites and in salons and farm sheds across this country, people are losing trust—trust in the idea that, if you work hard and do the right thing, you'll get ahead. Instead, they're feeling punished by paperwork, by rigid and inflexible awards and, in fact, by this government. This isn't just bad economics; it's bad faith, and it runs against our national character.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We understand the reality that small businesses face. Why does this government continue to ignore the reality that family businesses do their accounts around the kitchen table because they don't have the luxury to afford legal teams or a finance department and yet they're drowning in red tape, regulation and restriction? The minister has made it clear that this government is fixated on protecting their cartel mates rather than hardworking Aussies. Donations in; policy out. When businesses and workers came together recently and were offered a deal to pay staff more, Labor blocked it because their union mates wouldn't get a cut. These unions demand that their rules are adhered to, and this government, as always, complies. It has nothing to do with the rivers of workers' money being funnelled into the Labor Party through donations, and yet the implications of this are evident. This cartel behaviour is driving up project costs, locking out competition, and it favours union bosses being paid more than ever. Time and time again, it's small businesses and ordinary Australians who are punished, and those in regional electorates like mine even more so.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me be clear: we're not anti union, but we are anti union corruption. It should be those who subscribe to the values of the idea of Australia that are cared for, not the union Labor super cartel. The coalition's vision is one of simplification. We don't want to see those who have a dream suffocated as this government continues to do so. We want a system that is pro worker and pro small business, because when we do well we should all do well together. We must empower those who take risks, apply effort and back themselves, whether they're pulling beers, cutting hair or building new homes. We all want a prosperous nation where Australians back themselves, so let's reward risk and resilience. The beating heart of Australia is really in small business. Almost one in two workers in Australia are employed in a small business. And yet, when four in five jobs are being created that are dependent on taxpayer funding in some way, you know that our economy is really crook. And it is really crook because small businesses are dying at a record rate. The coalition will always back practical reforms, reward for effort and the incentive to strive.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2279</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Clutterham, Claire MP</name>
                <name.id>316101</name.id>
                <electorate>Sturt</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            <talk.text>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms CLUTTERHAM</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Sturt</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:42</span>):  Employment gives us purpose. It helps us build self-respect. It forms part of our identity. It makes us productive and is a means for us to make a productive contribution to society. It gives us agency and direction over our lives. It helps us network, to make connections and to build friendships. Not every day, I accept, but sometimes it even makes us happy because we can leave a legacy through our work, even a small one. Work allows us to learn and develop skills. Work is a tool to help us create meaning in our lives. Supporting work, supporting jobs growth and supporting workers and employers are the bread and butter of the Australian Labor Party. The dignity of work and the creation of opportunity for long-term, meaningful employment will always be supported by this government.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That commitment is demonstrated by the creation of more than 1.1 million new jobs since we came to government across the public sector and across the private sector, in industry, defence, mining, education, health and, yes, the care economy. Employment has risen by 8.6 per cent. There are 10 million Australians in full-time employment. The gender pay gap is at record lows, and women's participation in the workforce is growing, currently standing at just under 64 per cent. Unemployment is also at record lows. Employers, employees and unions are sitting down at the table together to have constructive discussions, to negotiate positive outcomes that work for everyone. Encouraging collaboration and partnership and negotiation between all of these stakeholders was a large part of the point of this government's industrial relations reforms, which have proven to be good for the economy, good for the community and good for individual Australians.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We are also growing the workforce. Importantly, as of January this year, there have been almost 40,000 enrolments in the government's free TAFE program in the building and construction industry and just over 150,000 enrolments in the care economy. For so long, the care economy, where ordinary Australians dedicate themselves to serving others, has been undervalued and dismissed as unproductive—something to be valued less than other industries. But aged-care workers, disability carers and early childhood educators have been recognised by this government as providing a service that is truly valuable, and recognised through the delivery of consistent pay rises that are designed to encourage people to stay in these valuable industries to continue to serve their fellow Australians. That is the whole point of the care economy which is deeply valued by this government.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Workers in the care economy are valued by this government—including the wonderful and tireless early childhood educators that work in my electorate of Sturt, whether it be at Goodstart Hope Valley on Grand Junction Road, Wattle Park Kindergarten at Wattle Park, or Kozy Kids at Glenside, all of whom I've had the pleasure to meet, and I've seen firsthand just how challenging their work is. So I say to Rachel at Goodstart and Emma at Wattle Park kindy: your work is valued.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Another sector of our economy that this government values is workers with a disability. I recently met Ben and Josh, who work for Jigsaw, a not-for-profit social enterprise, and who wouldn't otherwise be considered, ever, for mainstream employment, because of the characteristics they didn't ask for but were born with. Ben, who is a paid administrative trainee, told me that he couldn't wait for his alarm to go off in the morning on his working days because he couldn't wait to get to work. Performing administrative work in a supportive environment with his colleagues gives Ben purpose, a pay cheque and a chance to grow and develop. And Josh, a digital trainee, also derives satisfaction from getting up and contributing to his community through his work. Ben and Josh deserve this opportunity. The companies that Jigsaw partner with, that provide meaningful work for Australians with a disability, include DXC Technology, a business based in my own electorate of Sturt that assists global companies with IT and AI challenges. This is the very demonstration of the dignity of work, where all work is valued, no matter what industry it is in and no matter who performs it.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This government believes in the dignity of work and will always strive to create an environment that reflects that and facilitates stable and sustainable employment opportunities for all Australians. More people are in work than ever before, in secure, well-paying jobs that help them, their families and their communities.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure agreed to.</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2280</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry Portfolio</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure, $648,017,000</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2280</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Phillips, Fiona MP</name>
                <name.id>147140</name.id>
                <electorate>Gilmore</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="147140" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mrs PHILLIPS</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Gilmore</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:48</span>):  I was born and raised on the New South Wales South Coast. I grew up on a dairy farm, and I am from six local generations of dairy farmers. From a young child, I've seen the impacts that severe droughts, floods, storms and bushfires have on the land. I've watched my family and my neighbours struggle to keep their cattle alive and their businesses afloat, and, during hard times, some have been forced to make hard choices—choices no-one should ever have to make. Over the past 50 years I've seen firsthand the devastation caused by natural disasters and what happens when farmers live through these times and, sadly, give up hope.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In my first speech in this place, I spoke about my dad, a dairy farmer. I still remember his visible distress when he thought he might have to sell the family farm. My family is lucky, through hard work, that that farm is still going. But I know there are farmers and food producers across our country facing these same struggles.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As a regional member, I know how important our agriculture, seafood and forest industries are to towns on the New South Wales South Coast, to our country and to the world. I'm proud to say that I'm a member of the House Standing Committee on Primary Industries, which allows me to gain a more detailed understanding of issues that impact farmers and farming communities in all corners of Australia.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Following the last few years, when relentless drought, unprecedented bushfires, floods and a string of coastal storms impacted my electorate, it's no surprise that the relationship between agriculture and climate change is something I am very passionate about. Farmers in my region have felt and are still feeling the impact of climate change, and they want real action. I'm proud that the Albanese Labor government is improving on-farm climate resilience to equip our producers with the tools, the knowledge and the support they need to adapt and thrive in the face of our changing climate. Our government is working hand in hand with farmers to ensure they get the support they need and where it's needed most. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Supporting our producers through hardship is crucial, but so too is building a more resilient future. That's why we're broadening the scope to support climate resilience, productivity and the transition to net zero. We're providing $519 million for the Future Drought Fund to help communities manage climate risks through practical, locally led projects. We're backing farmers through the Agriculture and Land Sector Plan, backed by more than $2 billion in investment, to ensure our farmers and producers can confidently face our climate future. This is in addition to our other investments to support climate resilience and sustainability, including the $302 million Climate-Smart Agriculture Program, $87 million for the zero net emissions CRC and $60.8 million to support emissions reductions efforts. </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese Labor government is investing in the agriculture, fisheries and forestry sectors and securing our food security for generations to come. The National Farmers' Federation has set a goal for Australia's agriculture sector to grow its farmgate output to $100 billion by 2030. By working closely with the industry, we are closer to that goal than ever before. New data released by the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics and Sciences forecast that the value of agricultural production will rise to $95 billion this financial year. When you include our fisheries and forestry sectors, that figure rises to more than $100 billion. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese government is opening up and diversifying trade opportunities, including through entering into a new free-trade agreement with the United Arab Emirates, which came into force on 1 October, and we're providing new pathways for our organic producers to export to Japan and India. These opportunities mean more jobs and economic security for regional communities. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, at the heart of a successful agriculture sector is also a strong biosecurity system to protect our farmers, our environment and our economy from pests and diseases. That's why we've committed more than $2 billion in additional funding to strengthen our biosecurity walls since coming to office. As a farm girl through and through, I'm proud to be part of a government that is delivering for primary industry, regional communities and all Australians. </span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2281</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Chaffey, Jamie MP</name>
                <name.id>316312</name.id>
                <electorate>Parkes</electorate>
                <party>NATS</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="316312" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr CHAFFEY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Parkes</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:53</span>):  One in three Australians live outside a major city, but as far as the Albanese Labor government is concerned they are the forgotten Australians. Regional Australia is critically important to our nation—critically important. It is where the food is grown, it's where the fibre originates and it's where the minerals are harvested. Beyond that, it is the home of hardworking, dedicated, pioneering, innovative and enterprising Australians. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This government's track record in serving regional Australians is appalling. Not only primary producers but the whole supply chain is facing challenge after challenge, from crippling red tape to compliance costs and acute labour shortages. I've seen firsthand the problems associated with a severe workforce shortage in our agricultural sector. Across the Parkes electorate, which covers half of New South Wales, primary producers and the entire supply chain desperately need workers. Multiply this to the rest of Australia and you have an acute picture of an industry struggling to bring food and fibre to the rest of our country. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In the lead-up to the Albanese government's Jobs and Skills Summit back in September 2022, our peak food industry bodies estimated the food supply chain was at least 172,000 workers short. In the three years since that celebrated summit, I ask what's changed. This government has scrapped the dedicated agricultural visa, relied solely on the Pacific Australia Labour Mobility scheme for workers and has tried to make changes to the PALM scheme which makes it unworkable for our farmers. The agriculture visa was the biggest structural reform to the agricultural workforce in our nation's history. Under the agriculture visa, workers would be recruited to fill vacancies across a range of agricultural sectors, including horticulture, dairy, wool, grains, fishery, forestry as well as support services and primary production. Under this government it's all gone.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Having scrapped the agricultural visa, Labor turned its attention to the PALM scheme and announced a new federal deed and guidelines that would include workers getting a minimum of 30 hours a week. We warned them it wouldn't work. Our farmers live and know the fluctuation of seasons and weather cycles and the impact this has on the availability of work on farms. Labor backed down but now has instituted a 30-hour average requirement over four weeks that will come into effect on 31 March next year. It's more meddling and more uncertainty. Since April 2022, there has been a 16.8 per cent decline in the PALM workers in agriculture in our country. The deconstructed PALM scheme no longer works for primary producers or for the countries under the PALM scheme.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Another of the significant challenges facing our primary producers and the supply chain is the substandard road network they must use to get their products from the farm to the table, the port or, in some cases, just down the road into the local town. Apart from the fact that many roads have been damaged in the past few years by natural disasters, regional-road funding as a whole has gone backwards. I look at the NRMA figure showing the road infrastructure backlog for the 20 councils in my electorate between 2017 and 2021—the last four years of the coalition government—averaged at $86 million. Recurrent road funding grants over the past seven years averaged $102 million. The end result for those four years under the coalition was that the roads were being funded, and the dollars were there, ready for the works to be done. In contrast, for the last three years of the Labor government, the backlog figure has blown out to an average of $222 million. I'll repeat it again—according to the NRMA figures, we are now looking at an average backlog of $222 million in road infrastructure each year across my electorate. That's an increase of more than 250 per cent in the Parkes electorate alone in the years of this Labor government. My councils have advised me that they're being knocked back millions and millions of dollars in disaster relief funding—in fact, it's $150 million in my electorate.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">What does it look like on the ground for our farmers, who rely on the road transport? It looks like detours for many expensive kilometres. It looks like delays of many expensive hours. It looks like damage to vehicles that have been travelling on these roads that are getting worse and worse every single year. My questions is: why has this government treated our farmers with such contempt? <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2282</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Swanson, Meryl Jane MP</name>
                <name.id>264170</name.id>
                <electorate>Paterson</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="264170" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms SWANSON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Paterson</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">12:58</span>):  We're here talking about agricultural sector in Australia, a sector that truly is the backbone not only of our economy but many of our regional and remote communities. It's great to have the minister in the chamber, and I want to commend her on the work she's done since taking up the portfolio. We set ourselves a bold target a few years ago to grow the value of our farm production to $100 billion by 2030. Today I'm proud to say that we're closer to reaching this than ever before. In fact recent forecasts from the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics and Sciences show that this financial year the value of what our farmers produce is expected to reach $95 billion. Congratulations to them. That's a huge leap forward and proof that the hard work of our farmers, supported by sensible government, is paying off. This success didn't happen by chance. It's the result of genuine partnership between an agricultural sector that continues to deliver exceptional results and a government that listens and delivers.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our farmers, fishers and foresters are amongst the most productive in the world, and we stand behind them all the way. We've been opening up new markets overseas and making sure our trade relationships are stronger and more diverse than ever. I was talking to the minister moments ago about the incredible comprehensive economic partnership agreement with the United Arab Emirates that has just been delivered. In the first 12 months, that partnership agreement, also known as a free trade agreement, is going to deliver $50 million in savings to our agricultural sector and close down some trade barriers. It's not just about being able to ship out the goods and the incredible produce that we have; it's about some of the trade barriers, some of the technical things and the measures that get in the way. We have been able to deal with those as well, and that's an important thing. Those barriers are sometimes a bit difficult to work out, but, when you crack that nut, it's a sweet nut indeed, and we've done that. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've also focused on growing the agricultural workforce, helping farmers build resilience against climate change, and supporting the research and innovation needed to keep our industry competitive and biosecure. This year our agricultural exports are expected to hit around $75 billion, which will be the third highest on record. What's more, our export markets are now more varied than ever before, which helps protect us from the ups and downs of the global economy. Farmers know this better than anyone. They face not only the ups and downs of weather and climate and local and domestic economies but also that ever-present global economy fluctuation. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When we came into government, we faced $20 billion worth of barriers that were holding back trade, including stalled access to key markets. But, since then, we've opened the doors to new opportunities in more than 230 cases, whether that's Australian honey now heading to Vietnam, better access for our table grapes in Japan, crayfish going into China or queen bees being exported to Canada. These are really important developments, and each of these achievements translates into real income, real money, for our farmers; more secure jobs in rural and regional communities; and a stronger Australian economy. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know that our world-class biosecurity system is the major reason why our trading partners trust us. They know that we care about the detail and we're serious about implementation. That's why we've committed more than $2 billion to keep strengthening our biosecurity defences. This is serious. It's a long-term investment, and we protect our nation with it. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">While these numbers are exciting, we understand that not every farmer's story is the same, and that's why we continue to work closely with state governments to make sure that support reaches those who need it most. I know that in this Chamber today there are members who have faced extraordinary weather events in recent months. I'm also a part of that. We've had farmers in my electorate who have been flooded out. I know the member for Gilmore has spoken about her electorate's experiences, and I know the member for Lyne will talk about the terrible experiences just north of my electorate. To all those farmers: like you do every day, keep on keeping on, and we'll be with you every step of the way. </span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2283</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Penfold, Alison MP</name>
                <name.id>248895</name.id>
                <electorate>Lyne</electorate>
                <party>NATS</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="248895" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms PENFOLD</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lyne</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:03</span>):  I welcome the opportunity to speak today on the government's investment in agriculture, fisheries and forestry. I thank the member of Paterson for her words regarding the impact of the terrible weather event in May this year on primary producers across the Mid North Coast and Hunter regions, and my thoughts and prayers continue to go out to them. They're still very much struggling with the aftermath. Many can't get onto paddocks because they're still too wet. So there's a long way to go for farmers. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But today I want to focus on the simple fact that the Albanese government is failing agriculture and failing regional Australia. Labor's first term in government was one defined by ignorance, neglect and incompetence—ignorance in particular, because this government and recent Labor governments never take a 360-degree policy perspective on agriculture. It's one sided, activist led and anti primary producers. There's no better example of that than live exports and the live sheep export ban. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm more familiar with this issue than most, having been the chief executive officer of the Australian Livestock Exporters Council from 2012 to 2016. I came into that role six months after the 2011 live export ban and I worked with the industry through the implementation of the Exporter Supply Chain Assurance System and the changes to the trade. The impact and the threat of that decision lives with us today. The changes that the industry made back then were hard fought. Out of 130 exporting countries, Australia still remains the only country that regulates animal welfare from the farm to the point of slaughter through the Australian Standards for the Export of Livestock and the Exporter Supply Chain Assurance System. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One of the things I noticed during my time running the live export industry was that the government never truly understood why we have live exports from Australia. Understanding why this trade is so important, not only to Australian primary producers but to the markets that we supply, is a critical issue, because there's clearly a cultural differentiation. I know that many people in Australia are used to going to a supermarket or a butcher and picking out some meat. If it's in a cellophane pack in a supermarket, they think that is fresh meat. They trust the process. But in the Middle East, Indonesia and other countries they don't have the same view. In my time, I had the privilege of visiting a number of abattoirs in the Middle East and Indonesia and I saw a father and a son come up to a pen of Australian merino sheep and select one of those sheep because it looked healthy, and they translate that to the quality of the meat. That is not something that we understand here in Australia, but we need to respect the cultural differences that other countries have before we make decisions on banning and threatening other country's food security. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The other impact that the live sheep trade and the live export trade have had is on training in animal welfare. In the Middle East, a lot of the workers in the feedlots and the abattoirs came from the Subcontinent. They didn't have education. They were often the lowest-of-the-low workers. With our training programs, we actually showed them respect and value for the first time in their lives. Can you imagine what it feels like the first time somebody says to you, 'You've done a great job. I value what you've done,' and how that changes your practices? That's the sort of impact that we had, yet with this ban that has now gone in the Middle East. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There's going to be none of the impact that Australian exporters have had. What will happen instead is that the sheep will be coming from other countries without the same standards and without the same concerns. The impact on Australian sheep producers is extensive, and no amount of compensation will ever make up for the impact of this ban. Allowing this policy to be implemented sets a precedent for any lawful agricultural industry, so my question to the minister is: which industry will Labor sacrifice next? <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2283</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Smith, Matt MP</name>
                <name.id>312393</name.id>
                <electorate>Leichhardt</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
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                    <a href="312393" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr MATT SMITH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Leichhardt</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:08</span>):  I wish to speak on the appropriations for the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry. I grew up in the regions with the sons and daughters of dairy farmers in East Gippsland and with the sons and daughters of forestry workers further in East Gippsland. Now, as a regional MP, I know how important agriculture, fisheries and forestry are not just to our national identity but to our economies.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Far North Queensland has a proud history and a large history, and a big part of that history is our agricultural and fishing destinations. Farming, fishing and grazing works throughout Leichhardt. It is a way of life for many of the people in my electorate. They grow up wanting to be farmers or fishers like their parents or their parents' parents, or possibly even further back than that. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Much of the economy of the islands of the Torres Strait relies on the fisheries in the waters above the Australian mainland. It is an integral part of their connection to culture and a way of interacting economically with the outside world. The gulf produces amazing prawns. Some of those gulf tigers are as big as my hand, and I'm proud to say we've got the best bananas in the world. We've got a massive and world-class produce sector in the Atherton Tablelands just up on the coast and, of course, we have our sugar industry.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As in all things, the Far North punches above its weight. If you think about the Far North, part of the imagery that you get is of the cane paddocks rolling into the vistas of the hills and of the banana farms along the highway. People write songs about working the prawns in the gulf. And, of course, as Goanna said, 'We watch the lightning crash over cane fields.'</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Agriculture is a critical and indelible part of the Far North Queensland identity. As the local member for much of Far North Queensland, it's my job to keep our regions strong. We do this through a strong agricultural sector. It's something that we all want. The National Farmers' Federation has set a goal for Australia's agricultural sector to reach $100 billion from its farm-gate output by 2030. I was happy to hear the minister say in a speech that, thanks to the Albanese Labor government, 'New data released today by the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics and Sciences forecasts that the value of agricultural production will rise to $95 billion this financial year.' When you include our fisheries and forestry sectors, that figure rises to over $100 billion, forecast for the first time ever. Like the minister said in her speech, and I do as well, I want to pay particular credit to the blood, the sweat—there's a lot of sweat in Far North Queensland—and the tears that our farmers, fishers and foresters put into their work. Their dedication embodies the Australian spirit—hardworking and delivering for the community.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's for this reason that I'm proud that the Albanese Labor government has been working to back their hard work on the land with government action. Our government works hand in hand with state governments to ensure farmers get the support they need. We are listening to those on the ground to ensure that help gets to where it is needed most.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know that the climate is changing. We are producing packages of assistance that are responsive to the new challenges brought on by extreme weather events. We're working with our farmers to deliver solutions that allow for improvement in yield and embracing technology for the identification and eradication of pests, meaning that we empower the industry to find new ways to improve their bottom line while improving climate resilience and protecting the environment, because no-one loves the land like a farmer.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But that's not all. We're opening up and diversifying trade opportunities. We're boosting the agriculture workforce, providing skilled and dedicated staff for farms, processing plants and forestry operation, and we're supporting the research and development needed to drive Australian agriculture, fisheries and forestry into the future. There is no future without agriculture.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As the only electorate in the country that borders another country—as Albo said, 'You could swim across to it'; I wouldn't, but you could—it would be important for me to raise a key part of our agricultural sector and that is our strong biosecurity protections, protections that Labor strongly supports and will continue to support. Any failure in our biosecurity could punch a $92 billion hole in our economy, putting at risk all of the hard work of the agricultural sector, not to mention threatening the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of Australians. Our biosecurity rules keep our food supply safe, our farmers' livelihoods secure and support so many regional communities. That's why we've committed over $2 billion in additional funding to strengthen our biosecurity walls since coming into office.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The other is Labor's work to help support the sector to manage the challenges of climate change that farmers are forced to face. The minister herself said:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Our farmers and producers are among the best in the world. They're smart, tough, innovative, and deeply resilient.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">The Albanese Labor government will continue to listen, continue to work with, and continue to back them.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2284</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wilson, Rick MP</name>
                <name.id>198084</name.id>
                <electorate>O'Connor</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="198084" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr RICK WILSON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">O'Connor</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:13</span>):  I acknowledge the minister for being here today and I thank her for taking an interest. Not every minister has. My home state of Western Australia—and, in fact, my electorate of O'Connor—is the region most affected by the government's disastrous live sheep export ban. With the end of the summer shipping moratorium, the Middle East market would normally be clamouring for livestock, but there is not one single export vessel in Gage Roads. There is not one single order for WA sheep prior to the end of the year.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Labor will maintain that the ban does not come into effect until May 2028 and that there is adequate time to transition. But, effectively, the ban has already started. Shearers are out of jobs, transporters are selling their crates and stockies and exporters are waiting for orders for shipments that may never come. WA sheep numbers have fallen from 12.5 million in 2023 to 9.4 million today and are forecast to hit 7.6 million by 30 June next year. This will have a dramatic effect on the price of sheep and sheep meat for export as well as domestically and a collateral negative effect on wool production. If anyone thinks this is just a WA problem, think again. Where do you think the sheep to restock eastern states farms after the current drought will come from? WA, that's where. With part of this phase-out package earmarked to investigate long-distance land transport, and with the government putting animal activists before producers and consumers, you may not have that option for much longer on the east coast.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">With respect to the dramatic decrease in confidence and sheep numbers as a result of this ban, can the minister outline what the impacts, implications and repercussions will be for our farmers and the whole supply chain if this deeply concerning trend continues? Can the minister outline what contribution the policy ban on live exports has made to this significant drop in WA sheep numbers? </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese government's decision to forcibly shut down Australia's live export industry is blatantly ideological and not predicated on any available evidence or science. From the moment this government were elected more than three years ago to when Labor rammed through their disastrous legislation in July last year to ban the industry by May 2028 and announced their woefully inadequate 'transition package', not one minister has been able to cite any data which justifies the end of this lawful and sustainable industry. Government decisions on agriculture need to be based on facts, not extreme animal-activist agendas which hurt innocent people. Will the minister stop treating WA sheep producers with cruelty and contempt and please explain any scientific or animal welfare data which supports this government's policy to end live sheep exports?</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Labor's legislation to shut down live sheep exports, which was rammed through the Senate in a guillotined debate in July 2024, was followed by an announcement of a $139.7 million live sheep exports transition package in October 2024. It is now October 2025. The policy has inflicted a devastating human toll across impacted regional communities in WA. Shamefully, it has thrown many livelihoods into uncertainty and turmoil. Minister, has even $1 been received by any farmer, transporter, shearer or exporter from this package? Why has it taken so long for any funding to go out the door into the pockets of impacted farmers? Why have we seen such a contemptible lack of urgency from this government? Has the government done any investigation into the mental health impacts this live sheep exports ban has caused for farmers and families? </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Labor government's transition package sets aside $30 million for the Farm Business Transition Program. These grants supposedly encourage sheep producers to increase on-farm adoption and uptake of alternative farming systems and practices. They require a matching co-contribution for the grants, which are capped at $75,000. This grant program opened yesterday, 15 months after the government rammed through its bill to ban the industry and a year after announcing the $139.7 million package. Minister, in relation to these grants, can you answer the following questions? How many impacted producers in WA is the government expecting to apply for these grants? Why are impacted farmers and applicants required to provide a co-contribution to access this funding? How is it fair to those who've lost their livelihoods to have to find up to $75,000 of their own money to receive some assistance from the federal government? Where are they expected to find this sort of money? There is a glaring lack of detail in terms of the sorts of projects or proposals the Farm Business Transition Program grants would actually go towards. Can the minister please provide examples on the specific activities an impacted farmer could reasonably undertake in order to access these grants?</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2285</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Urquhart, Anne MP</name>
                <name.id>231199</name.id>
                <electorate>Braddon</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="231199" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms URQUHART</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Braddon</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:18</span>):  Since coming to government in 2022 we have been delivering for Australian farmers and producers. We're strengthening biosecurity, with more than $2 billion in new funding to keep Australia free from the world's most invasive pests and diseases—a very important issue not just for us down in our island state of Tasmania but for the whole country—and boosting the agricultural workforce, bringing employers, unions and government together to tackle the workforce challenges impacting Australia's agriculture and processing industry. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've been opening new trade opportunities, through 231 market-access achievements since July 2022, and building a climate-resilient agriculture sector through the Agriculture and Land Sector Plan, backed by more than $2 billion worth of investment, to ensure that our farmers and producers can confidently face our climate future. We are steadfast in our support of industry's ambition to grow the agriculture sector to $100 billion in farmgate value by 2030.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I guess I'm not different from a lot of people in this place. My grandparents ran a dairy farm nestled under the Great Western Tiers, and I've many great memories of growing up there. My other grandparents ran a contracting business out of Kindred, many years ago. So I think we all have a bit of that soil—beautiful Tasmanian soil—running through our veins.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Tasmanian salmon- and trout-farming industry currently creates around 5,103 full-time-equivalent jobs and has gross production value of over $1 billion. The Tasmanian salmon industry, while supplying just 1.6 per cent of the world's salmon, is the largest fishery in Australia by both volume and economic value.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In Tasmania the forest industry is a critical and fundamental part of the economy and social fabric that make our island state unique. In August, Minister Collins and I visited Forico Nursery in Somerset, Tasmania, to announce funding of $19 million for 15 plantation sites around the country, including five in Tasmania. Forico and the nursery supply seedlings to some of those plantations.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Tasmania supplies the nation with some of the highest quality fresh and frozen vegetables. Tasmania is also a prime location for the production of cereal and seed crops. Some of our farmers are doing it tough in negotiations with local food giant Simplot, who are trying to cut prices for potatoes due to their global procurement policy, and I stand with the farmers in that fight.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The recently released data from ABARES has forecast that the value of agricultural production will rise to $95 billion this financial year. When you include our fisheries and our forestry sector, that figure rises to over $100 billion—forecast for the first time ever. I know that's been said by previous speakers, but it's worth repeating. This result has not been achieved by accident. It is the direct result of a deliberate and focused partnership between a government that is listening to an industry and an industry that constantly delivers.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Australia's farmers, fishers and foresters are some of the hardest-working, most sustainable and most productive in the world, and, since coming to office, the Albanese government has backed them every step of the way. We're opening up and diversifying trade opportunities. We're protecting and investing in our world-leading and robust biosecurity systems. We're boosting the agricultural workforce, providing skilled and dedicated staff for farms, processing plants and forestry operations. We're improving on-farm climate resilience, to equip our producers with the tools, knowledge and support that they need to adapt and thrive in the face of a challenging climate. And we're supporting the research and development needed to drive Australian agriculture, fisheries and forestry into the future.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our government has committed to assisting the sector to act on climate and on reducing emissions, and we've announced $63.8 million to commence this work; that includes $28.7 million over 10 years, inclusive of $0.9 million ongoing from 2028-29, to improve greenhouse gas accounting in the agriculture and land sector, and $30.8 million over four years to accelerate on-ground action to reduce agriculture and land emissions; the funding will build on the existing Carbon Farming Outreach Program. And there's $4.4 million to DAFF to become a partner in the Zero Net Emissions Agriculture Cooperative Research Centre that was established on 1 July 2024. We are proud to be supporting our vital agricultural— <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2286</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Katter, Bob MP</name>
                <name.id>HX4</name.id>
                <electorate>Kennedy</electorate>
                <party>KAP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                    <a href="HX4" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr KATTER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Kennedy</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:24</span>):  As an Australian, I tell a very sad tale. Our national anthem says 'Advance Australia fair'. All I can say is: we've advanced Australia rear—backwards. The greatest and most dramatic economic disaster outside of the Great Depression—and the mistake that was made there was not listening to Ted Theodore. If he'd been listened to, we'd have had no depression in Australia. Set that aside. The greatest disaster ever in the nation's history was when Paul Keating, then a minister in the Labor government, said, 'We in the ALP never get rid of jobs. We'll never, ever do that.' The timber industry in North Queensland was closed down by Graham Richardson. The wool industry was closed down by Paul Keating. Some 70,000 hardworking shearers, roustabouts and other people working in the wool industry lost their jobs. They were living in small towns in Australia, their houses were worth nothing, they were bankrupted and a lot of them ended their lives in the most terrible way. Who was that attributable to? Totally the Labor Party and Paul Keating. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There's the cattle industry. If you're in the Liberal Party or the National Party and you're saying, 'Yeah, the big bad ALP did that,' well, hold on a minute. Your leader advocated a total ban on all live animal exports, and, in fairness to her, she still does. I saw her on television the other night, and she said, 'I don't resile from my principles, and I will not abandon my own personal principles. But that's not the party, and I'm the leader of the party, so I will be subject to that.' She's still in favour of banning all live exports.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Now, when live exports were banned by mistake—and I respect and I like Julia Gillard, the then prime minister, but she made a very bad mistake. She realised her mistake and, in fairness to her, two weeks later reversed the decision. Well, you don't go telling a country of nearly 300 million people, 'We'll give it to you now, we'll turn it off tomorrow and we'll turn it back on.' No, that does not happen. They quite rightly said, 'No, you turned the tap off and it will be left off.' I could clearly see that there were only two votes in this parliament. If I made a move—that was one of the two votes—I could get rid of Julia Gillard, which I hated to do because she's a very nice person, and put Kevin Rudd in her place. So I called a press conference for 10 o'clock that morning, much to the screaming abuse of my staff because they said I was committing political suicide. I didn't think that I was, but, as it turned out, yes, I went from 72 per cent two-party preferred down to 52 per cent for what I did. But, in this place, surely you've got to do the right thing. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Ted Theodore's picture is on my wall. He knew that he was destroying himself by saying, 'You have to spend money in a depression to work your way out of a depression.' He was torn to pieces and he was completely destroyed. He walked into his grave with his eyes open. That's probably why he's the greatest man in Australian history. I didn't say that; Malcolm Fraser said that. I didn't say that; Paul Keating said that. I disagree with those two blokes on just about everything but not on that. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let me move on. The Liberal leader wants live animal exports banned. When the cattle export industry was banned, the price dropped more than clean in half. There were a thousand Wandilla cows that went for a dollar a head. They'd been $200 a head the year before. We got the cattle market reopened, and I must put on the public record my praise for the Prime Minister—and I'd played a role in putting him back in there. Within nine days he was in Indonesia, because it wasn't just the live cattle decision; it was throwing dung beetles at our nearest neighbour, with one of the biggest populations on Earth— <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2287</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Collins, Julie Maree MP</name>
                <name.id>HWM</name.id>
                <electorate>Franklin</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="HWM" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms COLLINS</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Franklin</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">13:29</span>):  I know that there's very little time left for this debate, but I do want to acknowledge all of the speakers and contributions and the support for our farmers. As I've said repeatedly in this building and in many other places across the globe, our farmers are people we should be incredibly proud of. Our farmers, our fishers and our foresters are producing some of the best product across the globe. It's globally renowned for a reason, and that's our biosecurity and our food safety. What we want to do is work with farmers to ensure that they can continue to feed Australians and export their product right across the globe. I want to thank everyone in the room for their contribution, but I really want to thank Australian producers for the great Australian product that they produce that so much of the globe wants.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure agreed to.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sitting suspended from </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">13:30 to 16:00</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2287</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="text-align:center;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                  </span>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water</span>
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;"> Portfolio</span>
                </span>
              </p>
              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure, $2,715,409,000</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2287</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Bell, Angie MP</name>
                <name.id>282981</name.id>
                <electorate>Moncrieff</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="282981" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms BELL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Moncrieff</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:00</span>):  Australians have lost trust in this government. That's absolutely the truth, because actually only one in three Australians voted for Labor at the last election. And why is that? Well, uncertainty, lack of accountability, soaring inflation, record government spending, foreign-policy failings and inaction on the environment—inaction that can be seen firsthand, as the harmful algal bloom in South Australia continues to ravage coastal communities.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Department officials told the Senate inquiry last month that they were not aware of the impact of this devastating bloom until the end of May. But wasn't the first detection back in March? That's quite a few months. Didn't prominent South Australian scientists first raise the alarm and request funding for monitoring with then Minister Plibersek two years ago, and again when Minister Watt entered the portfolio? But Senator Watt wasn't formally briefed on the issue until two months later. The waters off the South Australian coast may be murky, but this timeline that the department and the minister were working on is even murkier, so let's look back at the events of March and clear up that murky timeline.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Surfers started to report falling ill after visiting an affected beach in mid-March. Towards the end of March, numerous reports surfaced of dead fish washing up on beaches. It was devastating for the locals. South Australia's Environment Protection Authority confirmed the bloom and that <span style="font-style:italic;">Karenia mikimotoi</span> had been detected. But wait—didn't the department say that they weren't aware of the impact until the end of May? So it's no wonder South Australians have lost trust in this government. It then took 10 days—10 days—for the minister to even visit the state, following the formal briefing. I know you've all seen the PR shot of him at West Beach. For those who are not from South Australia—as I am, or was, originally—West Beach is not very far from the airport; in fact, it's around three minutes in the car.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Since that desperate, last-minute dash and abysmal funding package, let's take a look at some of those sea-creatures that have suffered: 61 leafy sea dragons—beautiful creatures; 604 Port Jackson sharks; 2,000 fiddler rays; 287 bluespotted goatfish. These are just a fraction of the thousands upon thousands of dead marine creatures, including dolphins, that have washed up on South Australian beaches. The death toll has now ballooned to over 34,000 creatures. This algal bloom can cause suffocation and death.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But it isn't just marine life suffering; it's the people of South Australia: the tourism operators, the small businesses, the fishers. They've all been let down by the state and federal governments. Skin irritation, rashes, coughing fits and sneezing—that's the reality for most who come within 300 metres of their tainted beaches.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Just last week the government announced an algal-bloom hotline. Can I ask the minister representing the environment minister: how much is that hotline costing taxpayers, and is that coming out of the existing funding allocation that was meant to support the clean-up and scientific research and to keep businesses afloat? I have some news for you, Minister: those affected cannot even access the available financial relief because of the layers of bureaucracy. Bart Butson, who I met with twice, is just one of the many fishos who cannot access financial support due to the ridiculous criteria. Their spin doctors are working overtime to have you think that this Labor government is the saviour for South Australians. But—newsflash, Minister—South Australians are not mugs. No, they're not. They can see right through your spin.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This bloom is double the size of the ACT and can now be seen from space. It's clear that South Australians have been hung out to dry by their governments. This environmental catastrophe is being completely and utterly mismanaged by this government under this minister. Governments at both levels failed to act for months, and, when they did take notice, it was too little and too late. When they did act, it was evident that there was a major gap in communications between state and federal governments, as evidenced in last month's Senate inquiry.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Why did it take the department over two months to become aware of the issue, and why did it then take another two months for the department to brief the minister? This is mismanagement. This is an utter disgrace. All Australians, including by the minister for Adelaide's beaches, Mark Butler, have been let down. What else will be mismanaged in the environment portfolio this time? I call on the minister representing the Minister for the Environment and Water to front up and answer these questions. The minster could at least be in this chamber, as coalition ministers were during consideration in detail under our government.</span>
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            </talk.text>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2288</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Laxale, Jerome MP</name>
                <name.id>299174</name.id>
                <electorate>Bennelong</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="299174" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr LAXALE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bennelong</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:05</span>):  In my electorate of Bennelong, people expect their government to act on climate change. They're not interested in the climate wars, they're not interested in the dithering and delay of the former government and they're not interested in the arguments that the former government are having amongst themselves right now. They want a government that takes clear action and makes progress, and I see that will from people in Bennelong every day. Families are adding rooftop solar to their houses. Small businesses are investing in renewable energy technology. They're taking up some of the grants of the Albanese Labor government to help them. Schools are teaching kids about sustainability. It's part of what Bennelong is. They're practical, forward looking and determined to leave their climate and environment better than they found them. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That's why in 2022 and again in 2025 Bennelong voted for a government that would take climate change seriously and had a plan for climate action that was grounded in science, not in politics—and for a government that would deliver on that, not delay it. Since coming to office, we've upheld our end of the bargain. We've done more for emissions reduction and climate change in three years than the coalition did in a decade. We lifted our emissions reduction target from 26 per cent to 43 per cent by 2030 and we've set an ambitious target of up to 70 per cent reduction by 2035, with that range of 62 to 70 per cent.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, we believe and are working towards net zero by 2050, because that's the absolute, bare minimum. The science and the experts tell us that the absolute, bare minimum is net zero by 2050. I know my community want us to get there sooner than that. I certainly want to get there sooner than that, but net zero by 2050 is the minimum. You just need to read the papers and the speeches in this place to see that many of those opposite don't even agree with that. They don't even get to the bare minimum, and we have members sitting here laughing at this. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The bare minimum is net zero by 2050. We have to get there, and to get there we've got a plan. We've rolled out our New Vehicle Efficiency Standard. We've got the EV discounts, a tax cut for people getting low-emissions transport. This is incredibly important. We know that the transport sector is hard to abate, and switching people to low-emissions vehicles is incredibly important. Since we've come to government, low-emissions vehicle sales have risen from two per cent to 10 per cent. That is in just three years, and we know that there's more to do. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've approved over 100 renewable energy projects. That milestone was reached just a week or two ago. That's enough to power over 11 million households. It will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 53 million tonnes every year. As for the detail, there are 43 solar farms, 22 onshore wind farms, 13 large-scale renewable-energy storage systems and some hybrid systems where you've got the solar farm and the battery on the same site, which is what the 100th approval was. We're transforming Australia's energy grid because we have to. We know that coal is exiting the system. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We need a government that takes energy policy seriously. That's not what we had for nine years. We had a government that had more energy policies than they had underwear in their top drawer. They couldn't pick which one they'd go with, and they then tried another one, the nuclear policy, at the last election. Well, the electorate nuked them. It absolutely wiped out that policy. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">They told us to go further with renewable energy, and that's what we will continue to do. The Capacity Investment Scheme is unlocking 32 gigawatts of renewable energy generation, and we see that being taken up at the household and small-business levels with our home battery subsidy. More than 80,000 home batteries have been installed from 1 July—which is incredible—because households understand the transition. It's like the only ones who don't understand the transition are others opposite, those who tried to laugh our projects out of here. They don't get it. Households get it in the regions and the suburbs. Communities understand it. Bennelong understands it. The government understand it but the opposition do not. The last update I had from the minister was that across our community 321 new home batteries have been installed. I would like to ask the minister if I can please get an update on the rollout of Commonwealth funded EV chargers.</span>
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            </talk.text>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2289</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Tehan, Dan MP</name>
                <name.id>210911</name.id>
                <electorate>Wannon</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="210911" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr TEHAN</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Wannon</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:10</span>):  The arrogance of the Minister for Climate Change and Energy knows no bounds. Here is one of his own side asking him questions and he is not even here to answer them. What arrogance! What a disgrace! When we were in government, ministers turned up and had the respect to answer the opposition's questions—and to answer the questions from their own side. He won't even come here and answer the questions from his own side. One of his members has asked him a question and he is not even here to answer it. What absolute arrogance! </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Honourable members interjecting</span>—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="210911" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TEHAN:</span>
                    </a>  No, this is consideration in detail and the minister for climate change should be here. That's what we did, and it's an absolute disgrace that he isn't here. That sort of arrogance is what we are hearing about right out in the community as well, because the arrogance of the minister means he does not listen. Do you know why he does not listen? It's because he is achieving nothing. Energy prices have gone up by 79 per cent since you have been in government, and there's not even an apology for the fact that you went to the 2022 election saying they would go down by $275. What did you do instead? You ripped up the RepuTex modelling and said, 'It's worthless; let's blame that.' What's the modelling that you're basing everything you are trying to do on now? Emissions are flatlining—completely flatlining. Energy prices are up by 39 per cent, emissions are flatlining and industry is beginning to collapse. The only reason it's not collapsing is you've had to bail it out, and we've seen that again today. Huge taxpayer moneys are being used to bail out industry, because everything you are doing is a complete and abject failure.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I say this to Minister Bowen who isn't here because he's so arrogant: will you release modelling that the basis of your climate change target is based on? Will you give us the Treasury modelling? Will you produce it here? This is meant to be a government that's transparent. Let's see that transparency. Let's see the Treasury modelling that all of your assumptions are based on. Let's see the CSIRO modelling that your cost gen figures are based on. That's our leading scientific—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="282335" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Dr Haines</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  I remind the member to address the minister rather than to use the term 'you'.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="210911" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr TEHAN:</span>
                    </a>  Will the minister release the CSIRO modelling that his cost gen prices are built on? And, if he won't, why not? CSIRO just recently released modelling when it came to what you're doing with your 2035 targets, so why won't you release the other modelling? The minister should be here to answer that question, because the lack of transparency in this area from this government beggars belief. This was a government that came in saying that transparency was absolutely vital to the functioning of the country. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We now know why emissions reduction is such a disaster and why people like Ross Garnaut have stood up and just said, 'You're not going to reach your 82 per cent renewables target.' He's been as factual as that. That means you're not going to reach your 2030 target. That means you're not going to reach your 2035 target, because it's built on you achieving your 2030 target. The whole thing is a house of cards—a house of cards that was propped up by RepuTex modelling, which you've torn up, and now you won't show us the basis for anything else you are doing. That's why it's such a farce.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">You're failing on the three key factors. Energy prices are up. Emissions are flatlining. Industry is being crippled. Not only that; when it comes to innovation and the technology that could drive this change, what are you saying? You're saying a big, fat no to it. You won't even look at uranium exports to help the US, which might then help us to secure an AUKUS deal. That is how backwards you are as a government and how you are failing.</span>
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                  <name role="metadata">Haines, Helen MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
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                <name role="metadata">Wilson, Josh MP</name>
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                <electorate>Fremantle</electorate>
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                    <a href="265970" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr JOSH WILSON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fremantle</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Climate Change and Energy and Assistant Minister for Emergency Management</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:16</span>):  The Albanese government is doing the responsible thing that Australians expect from their government, which is to lead a transition with respect to our energy sector, to tackle dangerous climate change and to deliver greater protection for our environment. The most recent budget continues our work in that area with a number of measures. I'll touch on some of them as I try and respond to the questions that have been asked, and I'll do that in reverse order.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The contribution from the member for Wannon just then veered between incoherent and—I don't really know what to say—unhinged perhaps. He constantly refers to the 'cost gen modelling' or 'cost gen'. No-one's ever heard of that. It is, of course, the GenCost set of energy models and analysis that the government has rightly responded to and respected, because we respect the science and we respect the experts, which is something that the coalition might like to try at some point.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We have done what the coalition could never be bothered doing. We have a national energy strategy, which they couldn't be bothered to do for nine years. We came to government and instantly increased Australia's emission reduction ambition by more than 60 per cent, and we're on track to deliver that. We're on track to deliver it because we've put in place all of the programs and the policies that will get us to both 82 per cent renewables by 2030 and 43 per cent emission reductions on 2005 levels by that time.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That includes, of course, reforming the Safeguard Mechanism and making it work, which is something the coalition couldn't be bothered doing, implementing the Capacity Investment Scheme and Rewiring Australia, introducing the first national EV strategy with vehicle emission settings for the first time and implementing the first national energy performance strategy, with $2.2 billion in associated programs. All of those things, which are seeing emissions come down, are seeing Australian businesses and households have the benefit of shifting to cleaner, cheaper, more self-sufficient, more self-controlled and more reliable energy. We're never going to back away from that, apologise for that or get dragged into the madness that the member for Wannon was spruiking in relation to his ongoing love affair with incredibly expensive and risky nuclear energy and with various strange, geopolitical uranium arrangements and other things. That's not what the Australian community expects, and we'll have no part of it.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I come now to what the shadow minister for the environment was saying. There was the opportunity here to ask questions about the budget, but there was no question about the budget. She was playing political games about a very serious natural disaster event in South Australia, with respect to the algal bloom. We know why the algal bloom has occurred. There are a range of factors—increased nutrients, outflows in South Australia and rising sea temperatures—which are a consequence of climate change.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Just before, at the end of question time, it was interesting that the member for Flynn stood up and said that he accepted climate change from time to time. The issue that he had, and that presumably his coalition colleagues share, is whether or not humans are contributing to it—whether or not greenhouse gas emissions, carbon dioxide, methane et cetera have anything to do with it. That's the open question as far as the member for Flynn is concerned. He said that there were two sides—and there are two sides. On the one hand, there are scientists and people who respect science who can be described as reasonable and adhering to common sense. There are those people on that side. On the other side, there are people who are, frankly, fruitcakes—people who might want to make a hat out of tin foil or go in for some other kind of behaviour by trying to pretend that all of the overwhelming evidence that climate change is real and is occurring and presents a massive risk to Australia is somehow a figment of other people's imaginations. That is incredibly dangerous. The fact that the member for Flynn stood up and said that and nobody on the coalition side shook their head or looked at him and said, 'Old mate, sit down; that's not helping,' effectively endorsing what he had to say as if some credence should be given to it, should make people worried about the fitness of the coalition for government.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We have acted with great, concerted and effective effort when it comes to the environment. We now protect more ocean than any other country on earth. The latest budget adds $262 million through the Saving Australia's Bushland program to meet our commitment to protect 30 per cent of Australia's territorial and oceanic domain. That is the work of a serious government that takes both climate change and environmental protection seriously.</span>
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                <name role="metadata">Kennedy, Simon MP</name>
                <name.id>267506</name.id>
                <electorate>Cook</electorate>
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                    <a href="267506" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr KENNEDY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Cook</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:21</span>):  We just heard the member talking about how well this government is doing on energy and climate. We've just heard how well they're doing and how much they're doing. They have the National EV Strategy, the performance strategy and the energy strategy. We've heard how much they care about emissions and climate change. All that effort, all that work in 3½ years, and emissions are barely down one per cent. Doesn't that alarm you? Given your strategies, the amount of capital and the amount of energy you are putting into this, emissions are down by one per cent. Doesn't it alarm you that Tony Abbott lowered emissions more than you, that Malcolm Turnbull lowered emissions more than you? They didn't even serve full terms. Scott Morrison lowered emissions four to five times more than you. I would be alarmed. Don't you question whether your policy is actually built on a house of cards? The last three Liberal prime ministers lowered emissions far more than you. Yes, take your notes, but it's true. Go and check it out and come back and explain to the Australian people why that's the case.</span>
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                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">An honourable member interjecting</span>—</span>
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                    <a href="267506" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr KENNEDY:</span>
                    </a>  Was Tony Abbott there during COVID? I'll take the interjection. Why did Tony Abbott lower emissions more than you?</span>
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                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">An honourable member interjecting</span>—</span>
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                    <a href="267506" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr KENNEDY:</span>
                    </a>  From whenever.</span>
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                <a href="265970" type="GeneralIInterjecting">
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                      <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Mr Josh Wilson interjecting</span>—</span>
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                    <a href="267506" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr KENNEDY:</span>
                    </a>  Why did Malcolm Turnbull lower emissions more than you? Why did Scott Morrison lower emissions more than you? You've lowered them by one per cent. It's pathetic.</span>
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                      <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Mr Josh Wilson interjecting</span>—</span>
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                    <a href="282335" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Dr Haines</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  Order! The assistant minister will resist. I cannot hear the member for Cook. Could you proceed, please?</span>
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                    <a href="267506" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr KENNEDY:</span>
                    </a>  They have not lowered emissions at all. It's a pathetic record. And you've got a blank cheque. You said that you haven't been asked a budget question. Well, here's one, and answer it. Tell us what the capacity investment mechanism is going to cost? I'll take the interjection. Crickets! Australia, that's what we've just heard. I asked the question: what is the capacity mechanism going to cost? This was the response I received, 'Pff!'. Well, that's not good enough, Australia. That's not good enough. You've got people spending blank cheques. You've got people actually flatlining emissions. You've got people who don't have any credible way to get to a 2030 emissions target or a 2035 emissions target. Well, Australia, we've had enough.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Not only are we not getting anywhere near the emissions target; we are paying through the nose. Energy prices are up 40 per cent—up 40 per cent! I'm one of the few electorates that still has a few manufacturing businesses clinging to life. FJP Manufacturing, a local metal manufacturing firm that I visit, has declining revenues. They're hanging on. They're trying to manufacture. They're employing trade-skilled workers—people you should care about, or at least pretend to care about, with free TAFE or whatever else you're virtue signalling. Well, their electricity went up 25 per cent last year, and it's going up 41 per cent this year. What message do you have for them?</span>
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                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">An honourable member interjecting</span>—</span>
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                    <a href="267506" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr KENNEDY:</span>
                    </a>  I'll take the interjection. With their electricity going up 76 per cent, what is the message you would like to give to them? What about HF Powdercoating? Another company whose electricity is going up 46 per cent this year, with a 44 per cent increase on gas the year before. What message do you have for these manufacturers? Where's your future made in Australia? Where's the help—where is it? Where's your capacity investment mechanism? That's been my interjection of the day—'What's the capacity investment mechanism going to cost?' Do you have an answer?</span>
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                    <span class="HPS-GeneralInterjecting">A government member:</span>  Of course!</span>
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                    <a href="267506" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr KENNEDY:</span>
                    </a>  What is it? Oh, you don't have it. Why is this government deliberately driving up costs, strangling Australian businesses like FJP Manufacturing and HF Powdercoating in my electorate? They don't have answers for them. They don't have answers. They have policies that are driving up the cost, and this whole energy strategy, this whole emissions-reduction portfolio, is built on a house of cards. That is why every day in question time we listen to Chris Bowen. What's the only thing he talks about? His battery program—</span>
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                    <span class="HPS-OfficeInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER:</span>  The member for Cook will use the minister's correct title, please.</span>
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                    <a href="267506" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Mr KENNEDY:</span>
                    </a>  Sorry. We listen to the Minister for Climate Change and Energy—I forgot who he was, since he wasn't here today! He can't even turn up to his own budget or appropriation hearing in the Fed Chamber. It's pathetic. Neither can the minister for energy. We turn up there every day, and, instead of actually talking about how emissions are going and instead of talking about what's happening to energy costs, all we hear about is how many batteries he's been able to sell because he's jacked up the energy prices in those electorates like it's some great achievement. Guess what? If you jack up energy prices 40 per cent in 2½ years, you're going to sell a few more batteries. That's not an achievement. It's something you should be embarrassed about.</span>
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                <talker>
                  <page.no>2291</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Kennedy, Simon MP</name>
                  <name.id>267506</name.id>
                  <electorate>Cook</electorate>
                  <party>LP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2291</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Kearney, Ged MP</name>
                <name.id>LTU</name.id>
                <electorate>Cooper</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="LTU" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms KEARNEY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Cooper</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Social Services and Assistant Minister for the Prevention of Family Violence</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:26</span>):  Climate change is not some weird distant threat. It's actually here with us now. Do those on that side of the House believe that? How about you get your own party in order before you start ordering this side of the House. Climate change is the smoke we're breathing while our summers are burning hotter and longer, and it is the floods that are tearing through our communities across the Mid North Coast. Climate change is the droughts that parch our farms in Coleraine, and it is the fear that I see in young people's faces right across my electorate of Cooper. Climate change is not an inner-city issue, like some of those on that side proclaim. Climate change is affecting all of us, but they don't care. They simply don't care on that side of the House.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When the Albanese Labor government was first elected, we inherited a wasted decade, and they dare to come into this chamber and try to pick holes in a government that is dedicated to fixing climate change, that the entire caucus believes in, and the entire caucus is behind our minister, who is working his guts out, along with the assistant minister. Years of coalition fighting continues about whether climate change is real or how real—a little bit real, not real enough to actually do anything seriously about.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Frankly, they were an international laughing stock, and that continues. We had the member for Wannon come in just before, railing against some apparently secret Treasury modelling that he's demanding that we table. He's demanding that we—</span>
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                    <span class="HPS-GeneralIInterjecting">Honourable members interjecting</span>—</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="282335" type="MemberInterjecting">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">The DEPUTY SPEAKER </span>
                    </a>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">(</span>
                    <span class="HPS-MemberInterjecting">Dr Haines</span>
                    <span class="HPS-GeneralBold">):</span>  I ask that members lower their voices so that I can hear the member for Cooper's contribution.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="LTU" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Ms KEARNEY:</span>
                    </a>  The member for Wannon was demanding that we table some so-called secret Treasury modelling that is so secret it's actually available freely online for everyone to see! If he weren't just hopping across in a fantasy trip around the US looking at some nuclear-energy pipedream, he might have noticed that that was actually there.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We are lifting our country's 2030 emission reduction target from 26 to 43 per cent and enshrining those in the law of the land. We set our 2035 targets from 62 to 70 per cent on 2005 emission levels. In setting this target, we accept the independent Climate Change Authority's advice. We've also given the Safeguard Mechanism teeth; cut the cost of home batteries by 30 per cent, with nearly 80,000 batteries being taken up; and introduced new vehicle efficiency standards so that Australians finally have access cheaper-to-run, cleaner cars. We have a Net Zero Economy Authority to ensure no community is left behind in this transition. We've got our six sector decarbonisation plans too—detailed practical roadmaps for how every part of the economy will do their part.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">All these changes have led to renewables delivering enough energy to power six million homes, and yet they laughably say, 'Nothing is happening.' We're putting our money where mouths are by investing in a new $5 billion net zero fund in the National Reconstruction Fund to help industrial facilities decarbonise and scale up more renewables with low-emissions manufacturing. There are $2 billion for the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to continue to drive downwards pressure on electricity prices, $1.1 billion to encourage more production of clean fuels here in Australia, $40 million to accelerate the roll out of kerb-side and fast EV charging to help up roll out up to 10,000 public charge points by 2029. This is not nothing. Contrary to every dollar we invest is the cost of doing nothing. </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Treasury modelling finds that a disorderly transition would make Australia's economy at least $1.2 trillion worse off, cumulatively, by 2050. That's what we'd get with the other side. Let me be clear. The coalition kept us behind, and now they want to take us backwards. Many of them wanted to scrap action on climate change and net zero and waste hundreds of billions on nuclear fantasies—the most expensive form of energy, mind you. They keep arguing while the rest of the world races ahead, and for whom? </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The CSIRO found it would take 15 years before a single nuclear power plant produced a single watt of power—15 years! We can't wait that long. They don't have any answers. They want to play politics while the planet burns. Senator Duniam said there would be a mass exodus from the frontbench if the coalition committed to acting on climate change and kept net zero targets. And it goes on. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The opposition is a mess. We on this side of the House have our house fully in order. We are acting on climate change, we are doing the hard work and we are going to make sure we get there.</span>
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2292</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Haines, Helen MP (The DEPUTY SPEAKER)</name>
                  <name.id>282335</name.id>
                  <electorate>Indi</electorate>
                  <party>IND</party>
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                  <first.speech />
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2292</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Kearney, Ged MP</name>
                  <name.id>LTU</name.id>
                  <electorate>Cooper</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2292</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Ryan, Monique MP</name>
                <name.id>297660</name.id>
                <electorate>Kooyong</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="297660" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr RYAN</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Kooyong</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:31</span>):  We're anticipating a bad summer for bushfires. I ask the assistant minister to commit to going to the regions at the end of the summer and explaining to those Australians who have just lost their home how this government can possibly justify its active, ongoing and generous support for the fossil fuel industries which are driving the escalating human and economic cost of climate change. Our reefs are bleaching, our forests are burning, our seas are choking with algal blooms and our communities are bearing the brunt of extreme weather events, but over the forward estimates this government proposes to spend five times more on fossil fuel subsidies than on environmental protections and climate resilience. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Australia is the third-largest exporter of fossil fuels in the world. We continue to expand our fossil fuel extraction and export industries. In fact, this government supports them with subsidies of over $14 billion every year. The government has announced inadequate targets, but it doesn't intend to legislate them. To date, it has never legislated a policy which will actually force emissions reductions. Other than via some dubious land sector accounting, we haven't significantly reduced our domestic emissions since 2005. The Safeguard Mechanism allows our biggest polluters to buy offsets instead of actually decreasing their emissions. We don't accurately measure or enforce emissions standards or limits on highly polluting industries, and, in those instances where underreporting is identified, our environmental protection agencies, such as they are, generally fail to act. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The great stupidity of our climate policies is exemplified by the billions of dollars we spend on conservation efforts for the Great Barrier Reef and for Macquarie Harbour while we actively facilitating the expansion of the industries which are responsible for their degradation. In the same week that the government released its terrifying national climate risk assessment, it approved the North West Shelf extension, the most polluting project in the southern hemisphere. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This brings us to the transport industry. According to the National Greenhouse Gas Inventory, transport emissions actually increased by 0.5 per cent in the year to March 2025. This was driven by record consumption of road diesel and domestic aviation fuel. Transport accounts for over 20 per cent of our national emissions. It will become the largest source of our emissions by 2030. That trajectory is utterly incompatible with our climate targets and demands urgent intervention. At the moment EV sales are stuck at less than 10 per cent of new vehicles sold, which puts a serious question mark over the Climate Change Authority's recent advice to the government that half of all cars sold between now and 2035 need to be emission-free. Without a shift in how we move people and goods we risk undermining our national climate commitments. Instead of the big build, our cities need slim-build, low-cost infrastructure which reduces emissions and improves health. It's a better model for urban Australia and it will be a more efficient allocation of our tax dollars. </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In my own electorate of Kooyong, the proposed Hawthorn to Box Hill bicycle path is a local solution with national relevance. Strategic cycling corridors transform urban commuting. They link suburbs and business centres, and they connect integrated cycling networks. The benefits of the Hawthorn to Box Hill path to Kooyong residents would be substantial. They would include safe, car-free commuting for thousands of residents every day, reduced traffic congestion on our major roads, lower transport emissions, increased physical activity and reduced air pollution, and the economic savings that we'd see with reduced fuel and vehicle management costs. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The choices that we make in this parliament will shape Australia's environmental legacy for generations. We have to stop subsidising fossil fuels. We have to redirect our precious tax dollars to clean energy, to conservation and to the preservation of our biodiversity. We need proactive and preventative investment in climate resilience and nature protection, and that has to include scaling up investment in active and public transport to have any hope at all of meeting the bare minimum 70 per cent emissions reduction by 2035. This government needs to back up these targets with action.</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2293</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Sitou, Sally MP</name>
                <name.id>298121</name.id>
                <electorate>Reid</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="298121" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms SITOU</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Reid</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:36</span>):  It is a real shame that the member for Cook is no longer in this chamber, because I wanted to address some of the points that he tried to raise and which were very misleading, like his assertion that emissions have fallen under coalition governments. The key point here is that they fell not because of the policies that the coalition introduced; they fell despite the lack of policies they introduced. The fall in emissions was because of the Gillard government's carbon price. It was because the market was already moving in this direction, so the industry was already doing a lot of the heavy lifting in reducing emissions. The third reason emissions fell was a pandemic—a total shutdown of our economy. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">My hope is that the coalition do not see a future fall in emissions under them based on a total shutdown of the economy. My hope is that they will come up with policies to help drive down emissions, because at the moment the only policy that they do have on the table—and it's hard to imagine whether it's going to continue or be wound back—is their nuclear energy policy. This is a reminder to everyone that that policy was one that cost $600 billion and was going to jack up the price of electricity for ordinary Australians. So it's of great interest that they have now become focused on reducing emissions and they have become focused on energy prices. My hope is that they will actually start to generate some policies that will address both. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When we came to government in 2022, we laid out a very clear plan to cut emissions and transition to cleaner, cheaper, renewable energy, and we got to work straightaway, on day one. In 2025, voters delivered a clear message at the election. They support Labor's plan to tackle climate change and seize the biggest economic opportunity in our history. And our plan is working. Emissions are down and renewables are up. That's exactly where we want to be. Conversely, those opposite tried many, many times to land a climate change policy or an energy policy, but they failed at each and every turn. Their biggest failure was at the 2025 election campaign, when the Australian public gave them a resounding mark for their terrible nuclear energy policy. It was an 'F'—a big fail. So I hope that they accept some of these lessons from the failures that they've had and that they get to work and come together, get behind net zero by 2050 and get behind the idea of acting on climate change like we have. </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We know that, when it comes to addressing climate change, some of the key points are around fairness, because it's important that we bring everyone with us on this journey of moving towards cleaner energy. It's important that we bring households, workers, businesses and communities with us. We need a fairer deal on power bills, fairer access to clean energy and a fairer share of opportunities from the clean energy transformation. That's why we're implementing policies to make the transition more accessible for all. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've reduced the cost of a home battery by 30 per cent. That has delivered 80,000 home batteries across Australia. As well, we've delivered community batteries across communities and we've supported renters and people who live in units through our Community Solar Banks Program. Through our Energy Savings Package, we've provided financial support to households, businesses and local councils to invest in renewable energy and energy efficiency measures. We're also making cars, both EV's and petrol cars, cheaper and cleaner. That is what a responsible government—a government that believes we need to act on climate change, drive down energy prices and bring in more renewable energy—does.</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2294</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wilson, Josh MP</name>
                <name.id>265970</name.id>
                <electorate>Fremantle</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="265970" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr JOSH WILSON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fremantle</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Climate Change and Energy and Assistant Minister for </span><span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Emergency Management</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:41</span>):  It is good to have been part of this consideration-in-detail debate. From the most recent budget and the budgets that the Albanese government has previously delivered, I think Australians know that we are focusing on the sensible transition of Australia's energy system because we know it's in our best interests. We know it's necessary because we know that the consequences of failing to do it or of seeing it done in a disorderly way are enormous costs, fewer jobs, lower GDP and, certainly, a worse environment. So we continue to focus on that, as we focus on climate action, which is related to the energy transition, because we need to reduce emissions in order to be part of global cooperative action to achieve net zero by 2050. We're also doing that in relation to the environment, as I said before, both through delivering reform to our national environmental protection framework, which the independent review of Graeme Samuel told the former government that they ought to do but which they never managed to get around to, and through providing funding to protect Australia's threatened species and our vulnerable ecosystems.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I just want to pick up on some of the questions that have been put by members in the course of the debate. The member for Cook shouted at everyone and said a few baseless and silly things along the way. Emissions are coming down. He knows that, in the year to March, there was a 1.4 per cent decrease in Australia's emissions. Preliminary data suggest that the emissions to 30 June are down 2.4 per cent over the previous financial year. That's what we would expect. It is in keeping with our trajectory to 43 per cent emissions reduction on 2005 levels by 2030. I remind people at home that that was a 65 per cent improvement on the target that the coalition set in government, which bore no relation to the science and wasn't consistent with what we need to keep global warming at safe levels and to get to net zero by 2050. We are making progress, and we're doing it in a clear and transparent way. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The member for Cook suggested that the government wasn't upfront about the cost of the programs that are involved in the energy transition. We've been perfectly clear about that. There's $75 billion worth of cost in the programs. I think the Australian community would reflect on the $75 billion that we've been very clear about in terms of detailing contributions to the CEFC and ARENA—great Labor legacies that helped the coalition to achieve some of the emissions reduction that occurred whilst they were doing nothing else—as well as the investments in the Capacity Investment Scheme, the National Electric Vehicle Strategy, the National Energy Performance Strategy and all of those things. Compare that $75 billion to the $600 billion that would have been put on the tab by those opposite in pursuit of their strange nuclear fantasy.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I did find it interesting that both the member for Cook and the member for Wannon keep repeating the term 'house of cards'. You could only think that this is a Freudian expression of the trauma that's going on over there on the other side at the moment. They're a current soap opera—three different prime ministers in nine years. It's barely been five or six months since the election and the Leader of the Opposition's in trouble because people are either walking the plank or jumping overboard from the good ship <span style="font-style:italic;">C</span><span style="font-style:italic;">oalition</span>. The <span style="font-style:italic;">House of Cards</span> references tell a story. There's definitely a similarity between that famous television series and what's going on on the other side of the chamber. It's not doing the Australian community any great help.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'll turn to the questions that have come from the member for Bennelong, the member for Kooyong and, to some degree, the member for Cook about transport. Transport is an important area of progress. We have seen the number of EV sales triple as a proportion of new car sales. We have doubled the number of charging points around Australia. We've just provided an additional $40 million to support our new 2035 target to add a further 10,000 charging points, which will include kerbside charging for the first time. We've also delivered $1.1 billion to support clean fuels because we know that Australia has enormous potential to lead that work globally. When you get the production of clean fuels—whether that's biofuels, green hydrogen or other alternatives—you get to move off existing liquid hydrocarbons. Not only does that reduce emissions; it helps deal with one of our enduring problems, which is liquid fuel and security.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That work is happening. Australians can see it. Australians are backing it in. They're backing it in at the ballot box. They're backing it in on their roofs with solar panels. They're backing it in with home batteries. We will continue to deliver for the Australian community.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure agreed to.</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2294</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">Attorney-General's Portfolio</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure, $1,076,351,000</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2294</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Leeser, Julian MP</name>
                <name.id>109556</name.id>
                <electorate>Berowra</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
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                    <a href="109556" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr LEESER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Berowra</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:47</span>):  When Australians think about the justice system, they think about the safety of their community. They think about the desire to keep family safe, and, if something were to happen, our government would look after them. As I've said many times, all law-abiding Australians deserve the full protection of the law, and that's the task of the Attorney-General's portfolio. Legislative responsibilities, the front-facing government employees and the independent statutory agencies that fall within its remit are meant to uphold the rule of law and protect Australians from abuses of power. They're meant to ensure that justice is neither delayed nor denied.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Australians have a deep sense of fairness, and, when that fairness is undermined, the confidence of the community is shaken. Justice isn't some abstract concept; it's the difference between safety and fear, stability and uncertainty, and accountability and chaos. Under this government, we've seen these mechanisms flounder and weaken. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Take the Administrative Review Tribunal. Labor abolished the Administrative Appeals Tribunal and rebranded it as the ART. They spent more than a billion dollars on this so-called reform. But what has it delivered? Slower outcomes, growing backlogs and a justice system that's failing ordinary Australians. When the coalition left office, the AAT had around 67,720 cases on hand. The median time to finalisation was 30 weeks. Today, under Labor, the ART has 111,755 cases on hand and a medium finalisation time of 68 weeks. That's a backlog blowout of more than 44,000 cases and an additional nine months of waiting. Attorney, why has a billion dollars of taxpayers' money delivered nothing more than a shiny new nameplate and slower justice for Australians? When pressed on this, Labor point to the spike in student visa refusals, as if that's not also their responsibility.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The figures are damning. When we left office, there were 2,725 student visa cases before the AAT. Now there are 40,275 before the ART, with an average resolution time of 62 weeks. That's not reform; it's failure. The same is true for refugee matters. When the coalition left office, there were 37,025 cases before the tribunal, with a medium finalisation time of 113 weeks. Now there are 41,846 cases, with a medium time of 175 weeks—that's three years. Yes, that's three years for Australians and those seeking protection to get a decision.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">On transparency, the picture's no better. This is a government that's talked a big game about open government, but it has instead entrenched secrecy. FOI refusals have spiked. Non-disclosure agreements are now routine. Senate orders for the production of documents are being ignored. Standing orders in the House have been changed to limit scrutiny. Staff who hold governments accountable have been slashed. And now the government wants to introduce a truth tax. The Freedom of Information Amendment Bill is nothing more than a cash grab to curtail Australians' right to know what their government is doing. Attorney, can you honestly say your bill is about reform rather than revenue? Can you explain why, when every major transparency group says this bill should be withdrawn, your government insists on pushing ahead?</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Then there's the Human Rights Commission. Under this government the commission has been stacked with activists who are failing to do their jobs. The ANAO reported at the start of this year that the timeliness of the complaints-handling function, the commission's most important function, has been declining. At a time when antisemitism has reached unprecedented levels in our country, the commission has been MIA. We've seen shops trashed, cars burned and synagogues attacked. We've seen the mobs at the Sydney Opera House steps chanting 'gas the Jews' or 'where's the Jews', while law-abiding Australians were not able to go to their opera house. We've seen gangs driving through Caulfield boasting about hunting for Jews. We've seen the survivors of October 7—survivors of the worst loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust—abused on Australian soil. And what has the commission done? For months it could barely bring itself to mention antisemitism. It was more interested in the rights of protesters. The Race Discrimination Commissioner continues to refuse to condemn the antisemitic phrase 'from the river to the sea'. Its contractors and staff made shocking prejudiced remarks about Jewish Australians. Attorney, why is a commission that costs nearly $16 million failing to provide the very protection for the Australians it was created to defend? Why should taxpayers pay commissioners $400,000 salaries to ignore the needs of law-abiding Australians and instead undertake ideological pursuits? With the Jewish and Muslim communities now having their own specific antiracism envoys, and the Hindu Council of Australia calling for a Hinduphobia or Indiaphobia envoy, what is the ongoing purpose of the Race Discrimination Commissioner? Isn't this an indictment on the Race Discrimination Commissioner and the Human Rights Commission broadly? And does the Attorney maintain confidence in this Race Discrimination Commissioner?</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I end with some important questions. Across the Attorney's portfolio, the story is the same: delays and disappointment. Attorney, will you fix the tribunal backlog? Will you withdraw your truth tax? Will you reform the Australian Human Rights Commission into a body that protects all Australians equally? And will you confront the failures you've inherited from your predecessor?</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2295</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Lawrence, Tania MP</name>
                <name.id>299150</name.id>
                <electorate>Hasluck</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                <first.speech />
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms LAWRENCE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Hasluck</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:52</span>):  Legal assistance is essential to ensuring access to justice and equality before the law, especially for vulnerable people facing disadvantage. The Albanese Labor government understands this, and I'm really pleased that, through the advocacy of our Attorney-General, the Albanese government will be investing $3.9 billion in support for frontline legal services, to be delivered over the next five years through the National Access to Justice Partnership. This new partnership with the states and territories commenced on 1 July this year. I was delighted to learn that this is the biggest single Commonwealth investment in legal services ever. I was even more delighted to learn that every part of the legal assistance sector will benefit from this new agreement. This includes the legal aid commissions, community legal centres, women's legal services, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander legal services and family violence prevention legal services.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In my electorate of Hasluck, we are lucky to have many organisations providing these vital supports to our community. One of these is the Midlas community legal centre. Based in Midland, Midlas provides legal assistance to the north-eastern Perth region. I meet with Angie Perkins, the CEO, on a regular basis, to talk about their work and to learn about the pressures that they are seeing in our community. Midlas has been providing legal assistance to the people of Perth for over three decades, and they are in a unique position to judge the challenges and the needs of people under stress. They talk to me about the challenges they face, not just with individual cases but with attracting and retaining staff, and about their caseloads and the importance of what they do to support some of those most vulnerable in our community.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Minister, community legal centres help some of our most vulnerable, and there are almost 200 community legal service centres operating across Australia. They provide the legal assistance and other advice to some of the most vulnerable in our community. Importantly, they are at the front line of working on prevention, particularly for those facing financial stress or having concerns about their status within their home where they may be renting as to understanding their legal rights. I think that preventive effort can't be underestimated in terms of its power in preventing escalation to, ultimately, what we see as violence. To that end, women who have escaped a violent partner can, with assistance, move on with their life safely. This is the kind of scenario that support services like Midlas provide. They also provide support to the older person who is being helped to address abuse from a relative and to the person who is being rehoused after being unfairly evicted. They have supported young people who have sought assistance to address mounting debt from unpaid fines. All of these people would agree that community legal centres are changing lives; they've changed their lives. We know that they're just one part of the legal assistance sector.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Domestic violence support services have also received further support. Domestic violence is a scourge that this government has been active in addressing and one that we must continue to hold in the light so that over time its incidence can be reduced. I'm proud to have initiated the DV Safe Phone program in my electorate office, where we've already received a steady flow of phones from constituents who understand the need and are happy to assist. There are more than 22 million unused phones in people's desks and drawers, and the more that offices of MPs and senators, at both the federal and state level, can be places where people can easily drop off those phones the better. The DV Safe Phone program repurposes used phones so that DV survivors can access communications in situations where they can't use their old phones. I've been amazed and honestly genuinely grateful for the response from my own constituents who have rallied to this cause and from the many federal members across the political spectrum who have joined in the effort in their own electorates. They are making a difference, and Midlas have reported to me that being able to have phones that they can provide to those who are fleeing domestic violence has been life changing.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">An investment by government to combat domestic violence, of course, does make a difference. The work of our government is proving its worth. But, Minister, my question is: how will the National Access to Justice Partnership help reform the legal assistance sector, and, by extension, how does it help our community?</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2296</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Pike, Henry MP</name>
                <name.id>300120</name.id>
                <electorate>Bowman</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
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                    <a href="300120" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr PIKE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bowman</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Opposition Whip</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">16:57</span>):  I start by thanking the Attorney-General for being here today, in stark contrast to some of her colleagues. It is good that she is here because I've got an issue to raise in her portfolio in relation to a matter that is of great importance to my community. When you scan through the appropriation of the Attorney-General's portfolio, you'll see expenditure related to the native title system. You'll see new investments in the Native Title Tribunal and you'll see references to the goal of supporting native title representative bodies and native title service providers and proscribed body corporates within the native title system.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But what you won't find is any reference to supporting those entities that find themselves on the receiving end of a native title claim. In the previous coalition government's last budget, you would have found a very modest amount of funding for the Native Title Respondents Scheme, but you won't see that allocation within this appropriation. Why is this? Because of the ideological decision made by this government to abolish Commonwealth funding for respondents in native title claims. This was an ideologically driven decision and an unfair cut to achieve the longstanding pet policy objective of the former attorney-general, the member for Isaacs. It is a decision I implore the new attorney-general, if she's committed to representing all Australians equally, to revisit.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Native Title Respondents Scheme provided grants of financial assistance to respondents in native title claims to help them meet their obligations under the federal act. Since the inception of the scheme, support has been provided to 469 pastoralists, 375 local governments, 319 fishers, 91 miners, eight recreational users and many others. In the grand scheme of the federal budget and even within the AG portfolio, this would be a small appropriation, but it is one that would make a significant difference to the community that I represent.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Redland City Council in my electorate is seeking clarity from the federal court to determine if native title has been extinguished on 2½ thousand council owned or managed sites within the Quandamooka coast native title claim area. The land in question includes some of my city's most iconic sites, such as the Wellington Point Reserve, the Cleveland Point Reserve, the Cleveland Cemetery, the Redlands Performing Arts Centre and even the council chambers themselves. It also includes countless nature reserves, playgrounds and other community assets.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Understandably, there is a growing level of community consternation about what a change of ownership on these land parcels would mean for how they are maintained, accessed and enjoyed by locals. The mounting costs of Redland City Council as a respondent to the Quandamooka Coast native title claim continues to place unreasonable pressure on planning and land use certainty and on the limited capacity of Redland City ratepayers and services. There are many sporting and community organisations who currently lease land off Redland City Council which now have had their tenure called into question due to this claim. There is a real risk that the Redlands native title claim will drag out in the courts for years, costing both sides millions and ultimately delivering poor outcomes for both our Indigenous and broader communities.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Two weeks of hearings took place last month, and more are due in December. But, as the matter progresses, the legal costs are growing and growing for Redland ratepayers. Figures from the Parliamentary Budget Office reveal that in the last decade there has been a huge funding discrepancy between Commonwealth money given to support claimants and money provided to assist with the legal obligations of defendants. Over the last decade, the federal government has provided $1.028 billion to support native title claimants but only $9.78 million to respondents, such as local governments, farmers and other organisations. Of course, this government has now abolished that funding altogether.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Will the Attorney-General appreciate the scale of this imbalance and take the action required to correct it? Unfortunately, there is clearly a sense from within the Labor government that stacking the deck in favour of native title claimants is a compassionate and progressive thing to do. I don't doubt the sincerity of their motives, but I simply can't agree that seeking to precontrive these outcomes is in the best interests of our communities across the country or even in the spirit of the act.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This should not be about ideology; this should be about fairness. The government's role should be ensuring that all stakeholders can meet their obligations under the federal act. In order to ensure a fair and equitable outcome, I ask the government to provide equal funding to support both claimants and respondents. Will the Attorney-General continue the ideological obsessions of a predecessor or reconsider the scrapping of the native title respondent funding scheme?</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2297</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Templeman, Susan MP</name>
                <name.id>181810</name.id>
                <electorate>Macquarie</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="181810" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms TEMPLEMAN</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Macquarie</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:02</span>):  I'm very pleased to be here to ask the Attorney-General to outline the importance of making sure the Administrative Review Tribunal is properly funded to fully support Australians who rely on our system of administrative review. The former government trashed the ART's predecessor, the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. This is the body that reviews decisions of other government departments and agencies, critical decisions that impact on people's lives really profoundly. But, when the coalition was in government, it appointed 85 former Liberal MPs, staffers, candidates and mates to the AAT. Administrative review is an important part of our legal system. It's not a coalition consolation prize—something to be bestowed on people who may be past their use-by date in any other forum. The coalition didn't fund the AAT, and they didn't care about the AAT. They simply saw it as an opportunity for employment for their failed Liberal and National candidates—the hacks, the cronies, the mates. We saw this clearly, and that made the AAT dysfunctional. It did not give Australians confidence that their rights of review were being properly upheld.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Complaints from my constituents about how the AAT operated included the lengthy unacceptable delays, with some cases taking years to resolve, and a massive backlog awaiting hearing and consideration. In late 2022, the Albanese Labor government announced that we would completely transform Australia's system of administrative review by abolishing the AAT and creating the new ART. The ART reform progressed throughout 2023, and the new body commenced operations on 14 October 2024, almost a year ago today. The new tribunal has been designed to make sure that there is improved accessibility for users, that funding responds to demand and that there are more flexible procedures and more consistent processes across different case types. Mechanisms to effectively identify and deal with widespread issues are embedded in it, and there's funding for a new case management system. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I need to point out that appointments to the ART are also done very differently. Each recommended appointee has to be assessed as suitable for appointment by an independent assessment panel, through a transparent and merits based process conducted in accordance with guidelines for appointments to the tribunal. I was very much involved in this important reform and, along with the member for Curtin, who's in the chamber, I chaired the House committee that led one of the inquiries into the legislation. In a series of hearings, we took evidence about the need for the changes but also how the changes would work, and we examined how the legislation would meet the policy ambition. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The ART is built on more than 50 years of experience, learning and consultation. It draws on what we know works in a tribunal and it looked at what doesn't work. It fulfilled recommendations from the robodebt royal commission and several other inquiries, including the one I led and the 30 detailed submissions we considered.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to give one example of the feedback that the new ART has received. Now, no-one is suggesting that the process is flawless, but this comment came from Victoria Legal Aid during Refugee Week. They described it as providing fairer and more transparent decision-making. Victorian Legal Aid said:</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Through the ART, all asylum seekers now have the opportunity to be heard. And importantly, all asylum seekers have the same rights as every other person to seek a full review of the merit of immigration decisions made about them.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Small">Our Migration team has seen the immense impact of the establishment of the ART and investment in legal assistance on the lives of refugees and asylum seekers.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Building a merits review system that is fair, efficient and proportionate to the issues in contention is in Australia's best interest. Attorney-General, why were these reforms so important, and what is the government doing to progress further reform to ensure the efficiency of the ART? </span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2298</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Chaney, Kate MP</name>
                <name.id>300006</name.id>
                <electorate>Curtin</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="300006" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms CHANEY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Curtin</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:07</span>):  As part of these budget discussions, I'm going to focus on a part of the Attorney-General's portfolio that may seem dry but that strikes at the very heart of our democracy—that is, protecting and resourcing our accountability institutions. In the US at the moment we're seeing democratic institutions being undermined at an alarming rate. This includes executive overreach, independent agencies being white-anted and defunded, attacks on judicial independence, intentional weakening of civil society and the media, and the politicisation of law enforcement. I'm sure I'm not alone in watching on with horror and wondering how a proudly democratic country can change so fast. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Most Australians I speak to feel very grateful for our democracy, but in a time of global upheaval we must safeguard our own democratic institutions. We're fortunate to have a range of integrity agencies within the Attorney-General's portfolio that provide checks and balances to protect our democracy. These agencies are an essential part of our democratic architecture and make up the fourth arm of government—bodies such as the Ombudsman, the Auditor-General, the Information Commissioner and the National Anti-Corruption Commission. These agencies are safeguards against secrecy, overreach and corruption, but they cannot do their jobs if they're underfunded, politically stacked or denied access to the information they need, and unfortunately we're starting to see some signs of this.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This budget, while addressing many pressing needs, has failed to adequately fund and empower the agencies that were established with the mandate to keep government honest. Despite being in a better position than the US, we are facing what some experts have called an integrity deficit, a decade-long decline in funding for the agencies responsible for securing good governance. This budget was an opportunity to reverse that trend, but that opportunity has not been taken. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to talk about three aspects that need to be protected—independence, resourcing and oversight—and why we can't afford to put this off. Firstly, on independence, for us to trust that integrity agencies are doing their job, we must know that they're independent and unable to be influenced by government. How do you ensure that independence? Part of it involves looking at who these agencies report to. In Australia, many integrity agencies sit under a minister. They're part of the Public Service that reports to the executive, and this creates a conflict. These agencies should be staffed under legislation that reflects their independence and their role as offices of the parliament. If they reported to the parliament rather than the executive, there would be greater trust that they could hold the executive to account. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Second is resourcing. This is the part that's most directly relevant to the budget before the House. Integrity agencies cannot undertake their work if they're not funded to do so, and we're seeing too many examples of integrity agencies with declining resources. For example, the Ombudsman's funding will fall from $48 million this year to $37 million in 2028-29. Funding for the OAIC is also set to fall, from a high of $40 million to $26 million by the end of the forward estimates. Funding for the Human Rights Commission is set to fall, from $32 million last year to $28 million this year, with funding not expected to recover over the forward estimates. The DPP will see funding fall from $128 million this year to just $101 million next year, and even less in subsequent years. This decline in funding is absolutely unacceptable and should ring alarm bells.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The third element is oversight. We also need to acknowledge that parliamentary committees and oversight groups are often dominated by the government of the day, and that limits their effectiveness. But, if integrity agencies are truly independent and well resourced, they can then do what committees cannot—investigate fearlessly, speak truth to power and protect the public interest. These institutions should report to the parliament, not to the executive.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I've met with a range of experts, including the former Commonwealth ombudsman, Allan Asher, and the former head of the Consumers Federation of Australia, Robin Brown, who, along with academics, judges, advocates and former integrity practitioners, have developed a five-point reform plan. They have published an open letter—which I hope the Attorney-General has seen—which outlines a clear path forward. Some of the actions these experts have identified include making integrity agency offices of the parliament protected from government interference and guaranteeing sustained resourcing so they can hold government to account and are protected from retaliation. This is not about attacking anyone government; it's about futureproofing our democracy. I urge the Attorney-General to read, consider and respond to these asks.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2299</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Rowland, Michelle MP</name>
                <name.id>159771</name.id>
                <electorate>Greenway</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="159771" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms ROWLAND</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Greenway</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Attorney-General</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:12</span>):  It is an incredible privilege to be here as first law officer in my first debate on the appropriations bill, and I do so with a profound sense of responsibility. At a time when democracy is being challenged, trust in our legal institutions and upholding the rule of law has never been more important. I thank the member for Hasluck for her questions and her comments on the National Access to Justice Partnership. I know she cares deeply about support for her community.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to comment for the information of the House that my first actual public facing engagement I wanted to be at a community legal centre, which I did up the road in Fremantle. I was delighted to do that. Shortly after, with the member for Melbourne, I visited a women's advocacy centre which also assists with legal rights. Along with my long-time friend the member for Macquarie, keeping our most vulnerable safe is a top priority, which is why we have engaged with her local community on important matters to do with the online environment and that space. It is absolutely correct, I'm sure you'll agree, that access to justice should not be determined by your postcode or your position in society. I want to foreshadow that I'll take a particular interest in the upcoming 12 months in particular in visiting rural and parts of Australia and understanding their specific needs when it comes to legal assistance. I will be delighted to visit the members electorate, if that can be accommodated, to understand those needs.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">On 1 July this year, the Albanese government's $3.9 billion National Access to Justice Partnership commenced, and that's delivering critical support for frontline legal assistance services. It is the single biggest Commonwealth investment in legal assistance ever, representing a funding increase of nearly $800 million over five years for legal assistance. It is a landmark agreement. It will help to drive critical reforms in the legal assistance sector. It will also strengthen data capability and maturity of the sector, create a stronger and more sustainable workforce, and establish a robust framework to help progress actions towards closing the gap.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I also thank the member for Macquarie for her questions on the Administrative Review Tribunal, because as she rightly points out unlike the former government the Albanese government has done the hard work to clean up our system of administrative review by establishing the ART and restoring probity to the appointments process. There is a restoration at last on integrity into merits review. However its operational experience since October last year has shown that measures can be taken to further improve its efficiency while still preserving the ability of applicants to make their case. That's why I've brought forward amendments to the ART Act and the Migration Act to do a number of things, including requiring that student-visa refusal matters are considered by the tribunal on the papers—that is, without the need for an oral hearing. It allows the minister to prescribe other temporary visa classes for review on the papers, but I would note that reviewable protection decisions are expressly excluded. It provides the tribunal with a new broad discretion to dispense with oral hearings subject to a number of important caveats.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These measures will seek to provide the tribunal with the operational tools and flexibility it needs to progress merits reviews in a fair and efficient way. I would again point out that we are only now nearing the first anniversary of the operation of the ART. I'm sure that in the years to come we will see even more substantial outcomes as a result of those changes.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Finally I want to touch on another important reform that I introduced to parliament this morning. That is the establishment of a Commonwealth parole board. Australians rightly expect the release of offenders from custody into the community will be managed as safely as possible, and this measure that I have introduced will make the community safer. It will strengthen the Australian public's trust and confidence in the federal parole system by ensuring that decisions are made by experts who are best placed to make assessments of risks when considering the protection of the community, and that will be the highest priority for the board. For the information of the House, there are actually around 1,200 federal offenders serving sentences right across every state and territory, and that is actually more than the prison populations of the ACT and Tasmania combined. We are the last jurisdiction, as the Commonwealth, to have an independent adult-parole board, and the time for that has come. Decisions about parole should be made by panels of independent experts, not by politicians or bureaucrats. I look forward to the parliament supporting that.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In the short time I have available, I will continue to engage, as I am always very happy to do with the honourable member when it comes to the matters that she's raised. My colleagues from the opposition who asked other questions aren't here to hear the answers, but I will take that up with them separately. Thank you very much.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure agreed to.</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2300</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development, Communications, Sport and the Arts</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure, $3,382,101,000</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2300</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">McIntosh, Melissa MP</name>
                <name.id>281513</name.id>
                <electorate>Lindsay</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="281513" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mrs McINTOSH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Lindsay</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:18</span>):  I rise to talk about the mismanagement and broken promises littered across the communications portfolio thanks to this Albanese Labor government. The Australian public are waiting on multiple responses to reports from the government in the communications portfolio. The Labor government has put the Murphy report into the harms of gambling on a shelf, gathering dust for more than two years now. We haven't heard a peep when it comes to the review of the Online Safety Act. It has been almost a year since the News Bargaining Incentive was announced. There's still no consultation paper. It seems the government is too scared of the US to want to make a move. We also have a failing NBN, with customers dropping off and prices rising in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis. Minister, what are you doing to get government responses published, and what work are you taking to ensure the NBN and all of your projects that you promised the Australian people are on track?</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to raise the most critical issue on Australian families' minds, the state of the triple 0 network. It is our nation's most essential telecommunication service. Four people lost their lives during the triple 0 crisis on 18 September. As the shadow minister for communications, I will ensure that this Labor government takes this tragic event seriously. I note, in particular, that today the government voted down a select House committee inquiry into the triple-0-network ecosystem. That is shameful. We also had the Albanese Labor government vote down important amendments to the triple-0-network legislation today. Our coalition amendments would have doubled the maximum financial penalties for triple 0 outages from $10 million to $20 million; established a public triple-0-outage register to keep telcos accountable and to keep the public informed—transparency is so important; put the triple 0 system on the critical infrastructure list as the essential service which every Australian knows it is; and reduced the reporting times from six months to every three months and had those reports published so the public can see what is going on.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Not only did Optus fail but so did the minister, her department and the regulator, the Australian Communications and Media Authority. The minister says she didn't hear of the Optus outage until 19 September, but her office has an email from Optus on 18 September, as has ACMA and the department of communications. Government agencies didn't speak with each other, and they didn't pass on any information. And it gets worse. The minister and the chair of ACMA then finally held a press conference days later.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This plethora of failures, with a regulator being one party in this careless process, is why I find it completely inappropriate that the communications minister has appointed ACMA to review this Optus triple 0 outage and the triple 0 network. Essentially, the minister is allowing a government body to investigate itself. That's a joke. How can the minister have confidence in ACMA, given their failures and their involvement in the failed process?</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Bean review was ordered to look into the Optus 2023 outage to make sure it would never happen again. There were 18 recommendations, all of which were agreed to by the Albanese Labor government. We are now a full year and a half on from the report's handing down, but the minister evaded questions on which of the 18 recommendations have been implemented.</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">One recommendation was to have a triple 0 custodian with powers to ensure the entirety of the system is operational, effective and responsive. It's a pity that today she voted down my amendments in the House to safeguard our triple 0 system. The minister can blame everything on her being a new minister in this portfolio, but the fact remains that she, and she alone, was the custodian, and is still the custodian, of the industry. Her No. 1 job as communications minister is to ensure our most vital lifeline in anyone's time of need, right across the country, is in service.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Why was the minister in New York, doing a promo tour of another policy, when the PM was there representing our country? Minister, do you not think that you should have stayed to deal with the pressing matter of the public's complete lack of confidence in the Australian telecommunications industry's ability to provide the triple 0 services? And, Minister, will you promise the Australian people that you will never leave your post again as a minister in a time of national crisis?</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2300</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Templeman, Susan MP</name>
                <name.id>181810</name.id>
                <electorate>Macquarie</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
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                    <a href="181810" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms TEMPLEMAN</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Macquarie</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:23</span>):  I'm very proud to be part of a government that places creativity back where it belongs, right at the heart of Australian society. I'm going to question the minister, who's responsible for this very large range of portfolio areas, and I'm going to focus on the arts part of the department. I want to ask for their thoughts on securing the future for Australian artists and other creatives. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Creativity is not a hobby or a luxury. It's essential to who we are as Australians. The arts enrich our wellbeing, bind our communities together and tell the story of who we are as a nation. It's why the Albanese government takes its responsibility to support the creative industry so seriously.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These appropriation bills embed that commitment in our national finances. They deliver crucial investments in people, in creativity, in memory and in imagination. When Revive was launched in 2023, the government committed to 85 actions. Seventy-one have already been delivered. The impact of that is being felt on the ground. In our first term, we allocated $199 million to Creative Australia to reverse funding cuts by the previous government and to expand its functions. This support allowed 50 per cent more small- to medium-sized organisations secure multiyear funding. Music Australia, First Nations Arts and Writing Australia are providing valuable new support and strategic leadership to the sector, while Creative Workplaces is addressing bullying, harassment and unfair pay. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We've also supported our national cultural institutions, which hold our collective memory and reflect our identity. Under the previous government they were left in crisis, with threadbare budgets and leaky roofs. We've provided $535.5 million to secure their future and the collections they safeguard. This funding has allowed them to plan with purpose and ambition, rather than worry about keeping the lights on. Through the Sharing the National Collection program, 21 suburban and regional galleries now display long-term loans from the National Gallery of Australia, including four extraordinary video works at the Blue Mountains Cultural Centre in my community. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our screen industry not only gives voice to Australia's great stories; it provides thousands of jobs across acting and technical roles and in the small businesses who support them.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="text-align:center;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sitting suspended from </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">17:25</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;"> to </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">17:45</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="181810" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Ms TEMPLEMAN:</span>
                    </a>  In our first term we boosted support for digital games developers, modernised the producer offset and increased the location offset to secure international productions. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These appropriation bills also deliver on our promise to restore funding to the ABC and SBS, with new five-year funding cycles, giving them the stability they need to commission Australian drama, comedy and children's shows. The central ambition of the National Cultural Policy is that there be a place for every story and a story for every place. That's why we established artist residencies at World Heritage sites across Australia. The Blue Mountains will host one of the first, with Jonathan Jones working on Wiradjuri country in the Gardens of Stone. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">These bills deliver on the additional commitments that we made in the arts portfolio during the election. Live music venues are fundamental to our cultural life. During the election campaign we committed an additional $25 million to the Revive Live program, which has already supported 112 live music venues and festivals. The program provides practical support, such as funding for soundproofing, equipment upgrades and artist fees. When visiting Howler in the member for Wills's electorate recently, I saw the difference these grants are making to the versatility and viability of venues.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">During the election campaign we also committed $12.5 million to restore South Melbourne Town Hall as the home of the Australian National Academy of Music. This builds on the $136 million uplift in funding for our national arts training organisations, who do the vital work of nurturing the next generation of Australian creative talent, and $35 million to support the transformation of the National Gallery of Victoria. We know there's more to do and we will do more. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Next year the National Cultural Policy will be evaluated and updated. This is the first time that a national cultural policy will have been delivered across its full plan term and updated in its second iteration. So I ask the minister: what opportunities does that create? Too often creative workers have been told to accept insecurity as the price of their calling. We don't accept that. </span>
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2301</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Templeman, Susan MP</name>
                  <name.id>181810</name.id>
                  <electorate>Macquarie</electorate>
                  <party>ALP</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
                </talker>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2301</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
                <name.id>281688</name.id>
                <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
                <party>NATS</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="281688" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr WEBSTER</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mallee</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">17:47</span>):  This evening I rise to speak about the Albanese government's failings within my portfolios, which have been further illuminated through the Senate estimates process. As the shadow minister for local government, I've met with local government representative bodies and councils from many parts of the country. Councils appreciate having a listening ear and a heart on this side of the House, to understand their issues, find solutions and advocate for them. Councils do not feel heard by the Albanese government and struggle to see a minister, let alone get a meeting with a staff member. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Local government is in peril. Smaller rural and remote councils face financial sustainability challenges that can seem insurmountable. They suffer considerable cost-shifting from the federal and state governments, resulting in ever-increasing responsibilities for programs and services that are not funded. This occurs in the context of limited sources of revenue, ageing infrastructure portfolios and many thousands of kilometres of roads. Councils are burdened by regulation and have limited access to untied, uncontested funds under this Labor government—and, for funds that are available, they require considerable co-contributions. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When the coalition asked the department how many councils were operating in deficit in the most recent financial year and how many were under administration, they responded that they don't have that information on hand, that they don't have that data, and that they would need to take it on notice. They admitted they have worked with state and territory governments on this sort of data in the past. Why, then, are they not doing it now? It is a question for the minister. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This sort of data is critical to understanding the differential financial challenges faced by local government. The Labor government's failure to extend funding of the Local Roads and Community Infrastructure Program, the LRCI program, a program overwhelmingly supported by local governments, further illustrates their failure to prioritise the needs of local government. Funding for this program ceases at the end of June 2026. Questioning in Senate estimates yesterday made it clear that the minister has not sought nor been provided with any advice by the department on an extension of the LRCI program.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="text-align:center;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">
                    </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sitting suspended from </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">17:50</span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;"> to </span>
                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">18:02</span>
                  </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="281688" type="MemberContinuation">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberContinuation">Dr WEBSTER:</span>
                    </a>  Small rural and remote councils in electorates like Mallee and, indeed, other regional areas are desperate for untied, uncontested funds that don't require them to make huge co-contributions so that they can stay afloat and deliver the basic community infrastructure and road maintenance and upgrades that are sorely needed. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In regional communications, another part of the portfolio, it is tragic that it takes fatalities, like in the recent Optus triple 0 outages, to elevate an issue that many people in the regions face every day: inconsistent and unreliable mobile phone service—that's if there is any coverage at all—and the inability to contact emergency services when required. Regional Australians are still reeling from a botched 3G shutdown, which also sits squarely on Labor's shoulders after they failed to plan the shutdown appropriately with telcos. Minister for Communications Anika Wells is clearly out of her depth, with the Albanese Labor government's woefully inadequate response to regional telecommunications issues released in mid-September under the cover of 2035 emissions reductions targets.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Regional Australians have been insulted and disconnected by the overdue government response to the Regional Telecommunications Independent Review Committee report and the short consultation timeframe on its universal outdoor mobile obligation, UOMO, proposal. Minister Wells committed no new funding to improving regional connectivity in her response to the RTIRC report and kicked the UOMO can down the road till 2028. Regional Australians have been left with no clear signal on whether Labor will fix regional connectivity at all in this term of office. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure agreed to.</span>
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              <talk.start>
                <talker>
                  <page.no>2302</page.no>
                  <time.stamp />
                  <name role="metadata">Webster, Anne MP</name>
                  <name.id>281688</name.id>
                  <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
                  <party>NATS</party>
                  <in.gov />
                  <first.speech />
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2302</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">
                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">Industry, Science and Resources Portfolio</span>
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              <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure, $2,217,285,000</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2302</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Hawke, Alex MP</name>
                <name.id>HWO</name.id>
                <electorate>Mitchell</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="HWO" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr HAWKE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Mitchell</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Manager of Opposition Business</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:05</span>):  I rise today to speak to the industry appropriations. Clearly, the government's announcement today of the bailout of Glencore shows its ongoing instinct to continue using the taxpayer's balance sheet to bail out companies across Australia that are struggling to keep their operations open in many important sectors like smelting, manufacturing and heavy industry. The problem with this approach is that it isn't the last of the bailouts that the government will have to do. They have already committed billions of dollars for Whyalla, there have been hundreds of millions of dollars for Nyrstar, and today there is $600 million for Glencore. The Prime Minister outlined today in the House that that's 600 direct jobs. By any analysis, that is $1 million per job. That's an expensive bailout. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">What the government is failing to do, through its programs in the industry portfolio, is outline its plan to reduce costs for important industry players in Australia. The cost structures are what is driving the process. And it hasn't stopped with Glencore. Other companies, we now know, have their hands out, saying to government, 'We need large amounts of taxpayer money to continue our operations in Australia.' We ask: why is the government ignoring industry's No. 1 concern? The No. 1 reported concern over a long time now has been and continues to be energy pricing for industrial and manufacturing users in Australia. That's the No. 1 concern. If they cannot solve their cost-structure problem with energy, they will not be able to compete. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Then there are considerations like the tax settings in Australia, the regulatory settings, the cost of doing business in Australia. We won't talk today about the industrial framework—I'm sure that will be talked about at another time—but we have the world's highest wages and we have high costs in other areas. We need competitive areas as well so that businesses and their operations can compete in Australia. That's what's required. Energy used to be our competitive advantage. The government, by not addressing domestic gas reserves and competitive energy pricing for industry, is causing the ongoing need for companies to come to government. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Of course, we understand there are world factors. The government will talk about world factors and say, 'There are state actors manipulating particular metals.' Well, sure, that may happen, and it may come about, but we can only control what we can control here domestically, and what we can control are things like energy pricing, availability, affordability and reliability. What we can control is our cost structures here that allow industry to compete against things like state-sponsored manipulation of different metals and other markets. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">While we accept the government has to bail out companies, the numbers are getting staggering in terms of money and value proposition. And, as many people have pointed out, the corporations behind many of these operations are highly profitable corporations internationally. They're paying large dividends. There is a grave responsibility that comes when the government hands out this much taxpayer money to highly profitable corporations, and that responsibly must be a return for the Australian people. So we ask the government to outline what they are actually going to do. Why are they ignoring industry's continuing advice that energy pricing is their No. 1 concern? What is their actual plan for industry to make them compete better so that we don't have to use taxpayer money to bail them out? One million dollars per job today is a very expensive bailout from the taxpayer. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In other areas, the government continues to repurpose the money in the National Reconstruction Fund. We ask the government: how can the National Reconstruction Fund meet its charter or mission given to it in legislation if the minister takes $5 billion out of it for its climate target program? That wasn't the purpose of the money in the National Reconstruction Fund. And it's not the first time the fund has been raided, directed, changed or modified. How will the National Reconstruction Fund do its job when $5 billion of its mandate is removed by the minister and allocated elsewhere? </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Clearly Labor has no plan. Clearly, when we look at the Future Made in Australia program, we're now seeing not only the traditional industries like aluminium smelters needing bailouts and all of the things we're seeing in the matters I spoke about but also, as we saw recently, advanced manufacturers, like lithium ion battery manufacturers with government handouts, going into receivership. We say to the government: where are the new green jobs if we cannot manufacture advanced lithium ion batteries and have those companies succeed? We're paying out both ways. We're paying out with the collapse of our industry but also with the bailouts. The government needs to have a plan for cheaper operations in Australia, and we ask the government: what is that plan?</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2303</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">French, Tom MP</name>
                <name.id>316550</name.id>
                <electorate>Moore</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="316550" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr FRENCH</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Moore</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:10</span>):  When you talk about the strength of the Australian economy, you cannot look past the resources, industry and science sectors. They are the envy of the world. These are the engines of productivity, the creators of jobs and the foundation of our national resilience. Let's be blunt. These things don't run on opposition critiques. They run on investment, planning and a government with the backbone to build the future, not just romanticise the past. Mining is not just about holes in the ground and high-vis. It is about prosperity, schools, hospitals and roads, paid for by the royalties and taxes from our resource sector. More than 317,000 Australians are employed in mining, including over 5,000 people in my electorate of Moore. It's a big reason why the Western Australian economy is so strong.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But the future isn't just digging and shipping. It's about value-adding here in Australia. That's why the Albanese Labor government has committed $17.5 billion to a new Critical Minerals Production Tax Incentive. Lithium, cobalt and rare earths—these aren't just rocks. They are the backbone of clean energy technology and defence capability. For Moore, that means more secure well-paid jobs and a future made right here in WA. That's investment in training, renewables and cultural infrastructure—more on that in my first speech.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">To those opposite who sneer at government investment, let's remember this. It wasn't the free market that built Australia's steel industry. It wasn't the free market that anchored our aluminium smelters. It was Labor governments with the guts to back industries essential to national strength. Today, it is Labor again backing the next wave of nation-building industries.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Global supply chains for these minerals are volatile. We've seen it with nickel and lithium. That's why we're establishing the $1.2 billion Critical Minerals Strategic Reserve. This is not a nice-to-have. It's about sovereignty. It means Australia won't be left at the altar when international markets get cold feet. Let's not forget: WA is the world's largest lithium producer. Towns like Greenbushes and Kwinana are living proof of what's possible when we do more than just dig and ship—we refine, we process and we create jobs at home. Labor's vision is clear—a future made in Australia. By investing in advanced manufacturing, we're ensuring that Western Australians don't just dig up the raw materials but also capture the downstream industries. That's how we build resilience and opportunities.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Stakeholders from across Moore, from the Chamber of Commerce and Industry WA to local business in Carine and Kallaroo, see it. They know it's not just about mines. It's about making sure our kids and grandkids have industries to work in that don't even exist today. That takes a government that thinks ahead, a government with grit. That takes a Labor government. The other side can talk about letting the market decide, but we've seen what that means: jobs offshored, industries hollowed out and communities left behind. Not on our watch!</span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Before I came to this place, I was an industrial lawyer fighting for workers, and I'll tell you this: only Labor governments back workers. Backing workers means investing in the jobs of tomorrow. You can't build a future without science. Our partnership of nearly half a billion dollars with the US Geological Survey on the Landsat Next satellite project will ensure Australia remains a global leader in earth sciences. Closer to home, Edith Cowan University in Joondalup is driving breakthroughs in cybersecurity, medical research and space science. They are training the next generation of Western Australians for high-skilled jobs that we haven't yet imagined.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Digital transformation is not a buzzword. It's the battleground for competition. If you fall behind, you don't just lose contracts; you lose industries. Whether it's innovation in Joondalup, med-tech breakthroughs at ECU or small-business growth across suburbs like Currambine and Kingsley, the digital economy is creating real jobs, right here in Moore, and that's why we're backing R&amp;D hubs and international partnerships.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Why are we doing this? Because it delivers for people, for families, in my electorate of Moore. It means a kid in Woodvale can study at ECU, step straight into a high-paying job in cyber or advanced manufacturing and build a life without leaving their community. It means local businesses can diversify, compete and thrive. That's the difference. Labor builds the future; the opposition just comments on it. We're not here to sit on the sidelines and wring our hands. We're here to make sure the benefits of Australia's resources industry and science flow to every community, including Moore.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2304</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Willcox, Andrew MP</name>
                <name.id>286535</name.id>
                <electorate>Dawson</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="286535" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr WILLCOX</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Dawson</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:15</span>):  Australia's strength is in the resources sector, in which 1.1 million Australians work directly or indirectly. Labor have presided over three years of resources projects, manufacturing hubs and industrial capacity closing down, thanks to their anti-investment, anti-jobs resources policy and their reckless race-to-renewables energy policy. The safeguard mechanism has only weakened Australia's ability to compete, and companies are now making conscious decisions to cease investing in Australia and, even worse, to close their doors. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Alongside this, Labor's reckless race to a renewables-only policy is driving mining and manufacturing projects offshore. In the last three years, we've seen Australia's nickel industry collapse, industrial smelters and refineries pushed to the verge of collapse, gas prices skyrocketing, energy costs going through the roof and coalmines closing their doors. And Labor fails on securing future supply chains for our critical minerals. Nickel West, Nightstar, Mount Isa Mines, BMA, Bowen Coking Coal—these are just some of the crucial resources companies that have suffered under Labor's anti-mining agenda. In fact, just last week, Alcoa shut their alumina refinery in the resources minister's own backyard—a damning indictment of her government, which is killing Australian industry. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is costing thousands of Australian jobs. We should be, rightly, concerned about the current approach from the Albanese Labor government. It is clear that they are either asleep at the wheel or wilfully allowing our industrial and economic base to go offshore. The minister for climate change and the minister for industry must explain why their policy decisions, supported by their cabinet colleagues, have come at the cost of Australian jobs, investment and prosperity. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Minister, how many more Australian jobs will be lost before you take action? How many more industries will collapse before you update our Critical Minerals Strategy? When will the price of Australian gas be lower than $12 a gigajoule? Will you guarantee no gas blackouts on the east coast? Can our allies and trading partners like Korea and Japan continue to rely on Australia to deliver our crucial coal and gas supplies?</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Bruce Highway is more than just a road. It is the backbone of our regional economy and a critical link for manufacturing, freight and sovereign capability right across the state. Yet it remains one of the most dangerous and unreliable transport corridors in the country, especially in my electorate of Dawson, where we see flooding, accidents and closures. These events bring industry and supply chains to a grinding halt. They leave communities stranded and businesses counting the cost. This government made a promise of $7.2 billion for the Bruce Highway, but, as Senate estimates have revealed—we've learnt the truth—only $432 million is actually on the table over the next three years. So I ask the minister: will you commit to a clear, transparent timeline for the delivery of the $7.2 billion for the Bruce?</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Our sovereign capability is being neglected. In 2023 the Labor government stripped more than $1.2 billion from the space industry. This government has abandoned the programs that would have built Australian satellites, created advanced manufacturing jobs and strengthened our national security. That's not just short-term thinking; it's a reckless gamble with our nation's future. In Dawson we're already showing what's possible. In Bowen, Gilmour Space Technologies have launched their first rocket, the first launch ever from Australian soil. It's proof that we can design, build and launch right here at home. It's proof that we can lead in the most advanced industries in the world. But imagine what we could do if the government backed this industry. When will the government restore the vital funding it stripped from our space industry and seized the opportunities to secure the future? Given the news today on the Glencore bailout, when will the minister commit to an inquiry into the health of the metals manufacturing industry in Australia? We've asked for a Senate inquiry in the past, and that was voted down when Labor teamed up with the Greens. We need this to happen. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2305</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Mascarenhas, Zaneta MP</name>
                <name.id>298800</name.id>
                <electorate>Swan</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="298800" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms MASCARENHAS</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Swan</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:20</span>):  I'd like to let the Federation Chamber know that the proud Australian Labor Party back workers, we back jobs and we do that by backing industry. That includes mining and manufacturing. We are doing this in buckets and spades. We believe in a future made in Australia with Australian industry, Australian innovation and Australian resources. And you know what? We haven't just learnt that manufacturing is fashionable, unlike some coalition backbenchers in recent history. This is something that we fundamentally believe. We believe it because we believe in a future made in Australia. It's not a slogan. It's backed by real investment, real jobs and real opportunities, especially for my state in Western Australia. I'm proud to be here with the Minister for Resources, who is also a proud Western Australian. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Speaking of the resources sector, it is the engine room of our economy, so much so that across Australia we see over 300,000 Australians working in mining. Their hard work helps with our national prosperity. WA is leading the way in critical minerals like lithium and rare earths—minerals that are essential for a clean energy transition. To support this, the Albanese government is investing $28 billion into the critical minerals sector. This includes $5 billion for the Critical Minerals Facility and $17 billion for the deduction tax credits. These funds will help Aussie businesses process minerals right here in Australia while creating secure, well-paid jobs, making us a key player in global supply chains.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We're also setting up a critical minerals strategic reserve with $1.2 billion to make sure that Australia stays strong during market disruptions. This is a smart policy that is thinking about how we participate in global markets while protecting Australian jobs. This also includes national agreements and stockpiling to make sure that we look after our stockpiles.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Let's talk about manufacturing. The National Reconstruction Fund is about backing a future made in Australia. Companies like Myriota are receiving federal support to grow satellite technology and create highly skilled jobs. It's about keeping talent and technology right here in Australia.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We're also investing in green industries. The $500 Green Iron Investment Fund will help WA use its renewable energy and iron ore to produce green iron, cutting emissions and creating new job opportunities. Let's think about it—this is really smart. We've got amazing resources under the ground, as the mighty Minister for Resources has said before, but we've also got resources above the ground. It's about connecting these things together. Australia can play a really important role in the green iron industry. Also, it's not just about iron. It's also about aluminium. This goes along with our $2 billion in the green aluminium production credit to assist Australia's aluminium smelters as they transition. </span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Battery manufacturing is another big win. With $500 million going through the Battery Breakthrough Initiative, WA can lead the way in supplying the world with clean energy storage using our critical minerals and renewable power. We're already seeing federal investment take shape in many exciting areas. Batteries are getting faster and safer and are lasting longer thanks to Australian innovation backed by this government.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Some opposition MPs have described electric vehicles as soulless. I tell you, when you get behind an electric car and you feel the torque, not only does it have soul; it's got speed as well. We're not stopping there. The Industry Growth Program is helping over 1,000 local businesses scale up. Science and research are key as well. We've invested $14 billion in R&amp;D this year, including $45 million to support CSIRO's world-class research. We're reviewing our R&amp;D system to make it more connected and more effective, because innovation drives productivity and resilience.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The thing I believe about Australia is that not only do we have the ingenuity; we also have the resources. But we have to make sure that we have a government that backs manufacturing, backs workers and backs the resource sector.</span>
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            </talk.text>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2305</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Kennedy, Simon MP</name>
                <name.id>267506</name.id>
                <electorate>Cook</electorate>
                <party>LP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr KENNEDY</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Cook</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:25</span>):  It's good to hear the member for Swan there—an engineer. She has a lot of learning. Perhaps the Prime Minister, if he's watching, could put the member for Swan in the energy portfolio, because God knows we need an engineer in that portfolio. They call it the Future Made in Australia, but I worry it's more like the 'future bailed out in Australia'. Unfortunately we've been unable to supply affordable reliable power to so much of Australian manufacturing, be that FJP Manufacturing in my electorate, where they've seen their energy prices go up 41 per cent last year alone, or HF Powdercoating in my electorate, who have seen their gas prices go up 45 per cent. Both of those businesses have seen their energy prices increase over 60 per cent in the last two years alone.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We're not just seeing it in the local businesses in Cook. We're seeing it right across Australia, because at the moment taxpayer cheques are being used to keep companies on life support. We've just seen that recently in Queensland, where the Commonwealth has had to cobble together a package of up to $600 million to keep Glencore's Mount Isa copper smelter and the Townsville refinery open. This is something that should be competing on low-energy prices. It should be competing on it's own two feet, but this government has crippled industry. It's crippling SME businesses in my electorate. They're coming to me. I've toured both of those facilities, seen what they do. I've seen the tens of apprentices they employ every single year. They're working hard with slimmer and slimmer margins to keep these things open, but unfortunately they are up against it and almost closing, as is this big refinery in Queensland.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The refinery in Queensland supports about 600 jobs. That's 600 people who would be out of work if it weren't for government subsidies. Unfortunately we're not investing in sovereignty. We're investing in subsidy dependency. We are training Australia's businesses to be dependent on this government, to be dependent on the government teat. These businesses want to stand on their own two feet. They want to compete internationally, but unfortunately they've got one hand tied behind their back. They're fighting the good fight, but this government is not helping them. Even the Productivity Commission and industry stakeholders have flagged the Future Made in Australia and said it has vague criteria and has a protectionist tilt. We should be competing on productivity, cost and reliability, not on bailouts. Reports indicate that the combined federal and state support aimed at starving off the closure of the smelter and refinery in Mount Isa and Townsville are tied to costs and market conditions. If we had globally competitive energy and if we had globally competitive industrial relations, we would not need emergency public money to keep these businesses open. We wouldn't need subsidies for households or small businesses just to pay their energy bills.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">It's not only manufacturing that's suffering. There are reports that energy could double in the next few years for artificial intelligence, and it's going to be a defining force for this century. I think everybody can agree on that, and it's going to be every bit as transformative as the internet was. Could you imagine the competitive position Australia would have been left in if we had invested more and faster in the internet when it came about? Unfortunately with AI we actually look like we're being left behind. This entirely new frontier of economic growth is not being embedded in Australian workplaces as fast as it is in the US or parts of Europe. It's going to disrupt and grow manufacturing, health, logistics and finance, and it's happening now. The pace of change is accelerating. The only question is: how much will Australia participate in that versus being left behind?</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Tech Council of Australia estimates AI could deliver $115 billion to our GDP by 2030. It could increase productivity by a percentage point. But it's a contest. This is a globally competitive contest, and what is this government doing about it? The uncomfortable truth is that, under Labor, we're slipping behind. The reality is that AI can't be powered by speeches, it can't be powered by slogans and, unfortunately for Chris Bowen, it can't be powered by press conferences either. It depends on hard infrastructure, a skilled workforce and, again, reliable, low-cost energy. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This is one of the big reasons that, at COP29—we're trying to get the next COP—31 nations, including the US, the UK, Canada, France, Germany and Korea, all signed up to tripling nuclear power by 2050. And it's not just these countries; it's some of the most progressive and innovative companies in the world, from Google and Microsoft to Amazon. They are all looking at investing in and building nuclear. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2306</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Charlton, Andrew MP</name>
                <name.id>I8M</name.id>
                <electorate>Parramatta</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                    <a href="I8M" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Dr CHARLTON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Parramatta</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Cabinet Secretary and Assistant Minister for Science, Technology and the Digital Economy</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:30</span>):  It is very difficult to sit here and listen to the Liberal Party give us a lecture on Australia's economic policy. That's because the Liberal Party, over their recent history, have always got the big calls in Australian economic policy wrong. Let's remember that it was the Liberal Party that opposed the floating of the dollar in the 1980s. They opposed superannuation in the 1990s. They voted against the fiscal stimulus that saved Australia from recession in the global financial crisis. It was the Liberal Party that voted against the NBN in the 2000s. It was the Liberal Party that allowed the car industry—indeed, they dared the car industry—to leave in the 2010s. It was the Liberal Party that failed on any measure of budget repair during their nine years in office. They were unable to deliver a single budget surplus. It was the Liberal Party that opposed the energy transition and, in fact, were only able to produce 22 discarded energy policies. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">When it comes to looking for Liberal Party bad calls on the economy, it is, as they say, a target-rich environment. You might think that it would've learned its lesson, but, unfortunately, the Liberal Party is still damaging Australian industry from opposition. Like one of those zombies that never dies, it's still reaching from two horrific electoral defeats to continuing to oppose the Labor government's policies in a number of areas. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Firstly, the Liberal Party has been opposing the NRF. This is despite the fact that the NRF has invested $660 million in local manufacturing. We are yet to hear whether the coalition support or oppose this support, despite the fact that the NRF has allocated $1 billion to critical technologies for Australia's future. The second way in which the coalition have been damaging Australian industry policy is by undermining investment certainty. This is nowhere more significant than on energy policy. You can't promote investment in Australian industry with uncertainty in energy policy. It's impossible for businesses to invest if they don't know the energy policy settings and they don't know the price of subsequent energy. But in this country, at the moment, we have a Liberal Party that is reducing the certainty that Australian business has on energy policy. On the one hand, they've got the leader, who is talking about sticking with net zero. They've got Barnaby Joyce, who is talking about leaving net zero. Today, just after question time, the member for Flynn gave us a highly entertaining but factually very bereft lecture on the causes of climate change. The member for Flynn told us that climate change is happening—he'll accept that; he does have a thermometer—but that it's not caused by humans. In his words, it's caused by 'natural fluctuations'. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">How can Australian industry plan for the future if they have absolutely no certainty about the energy policy that would be coming from the alternative Australian government and if they can't even see the alternative Australian government agreeing on whether climate change is caused by humans or not? This uncertainty has real consequences. The uncertainty in energy policy that the coalition has produced over the last 15 years has reduced investment in the energy sector in generation and in transmission. The member for Cook came into this chamber just a few minutes ago and explained to us that many businesses in his electorate are suffering higher energy prices. Well, he should ask his colleagues why they failed to invest in generation and transmission during the nine years that they were in office. </span>
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                    </span>Today, the minister for industry made an important decision to protect Australian smelters, specifically the Mount Isa smelter. What we've seen just in the last 10 minutes has been extraordinary disarray on the part of the coalition. I was sitting in this very seat listening to the member for Dawson, who said it was a good idea that finally we had stepped up and the government was supporting the smelters but we needed to outline our plan for the rest of the sector. It is terrific to have the member for Dawson's support. I just wish he'd remained in the chamber for five minutes to listen to his colleague the member for Cook, who said these industries should be standing on their own two feet. He described today's announcement as a symptom of subsidy tendency and opposed the support that the government has provided to the Mount Isa smelter. Again, on issue after issue, the coalition is in absolute disarray. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2307</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Boele, Nicolette MP</name>
                <name.id>26417</name.id>
                <electorate>Bradfield</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
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                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="26417" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms BOELE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bradfield</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:35</span>):  This is my first opportunity to participate in a detailed debate regarding Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 2025-2026, and in fact I was not a member in this place when the bills that are currently being debated were introduced. I approached this debate in the spirit of what the people of Bradfield have sent me here to do, and, very specifically, that is to hold this government to account. This very debate could not be more appropriate for setting about that task.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">First, here is a bit about me and where I come from in my line of questioning: I have been appointed to two parliamentary committees because the scope of those committees is so close to my professional work of 35 years and because it's where I believe we can achieve outcomes to strengthen our economy and our national security now and help set up Australia in our region for this century. Those committees are the Standing Committee on Climate Change, Energy, Environment and Water and the<span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;&#xA;    font-family:Arial;&#xA;  &#xA;    color:#474747;&#xA;  text-decoration:none underline;"></span>Standing Committee on Industry, Innovation and Science. My professional choices have been based around my learned belief that, with the appropriate government signals, such as what we choose to tax and how we de-risk capital, and appropriate competition and consumer protections, science industry and business can and should be the engine room for our economy.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to use this opportunity to commend the government for designing and passing the Future Made in Australia set of laws last term. It was both defensive and opportunistic—defensive because of the actions of the then Biden administration, which sought to retool its economy via the Inflation Reduction Act. The North American act saw businesses from Australia, already in this depleted secondary sector, leave our shores for the United States because the conditions for investment and government offtakes were more favourable there than here in Australia. The FMIA was designed to help keep our nascent clean industries here in Australia, and, with the Trump administration curtailing the IRA and adding tariffs, the FMIA has proven to be an opportunistic move, where we are now in a position to welcome those businesses back and, indeed, new ones to our shores. I don't have to tell you, Assistant Minister, that the beauty of the FMIA is that, done well, we can build the scale of clean industrial power needed to decarbonise our critical and other mineral commodities ahead of export. In doing so, we not only deliver ridiculously cheap and reliable energy for our nation; we also help to decarbonise the global resources economy.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The FMIA feels to me like the opposite of approving the extension to the North West Shelf gas project. That project will see our nation export decades of unmitigated climate pollution to our region whilst the FMIA in contrast is about substituting the export of raw resources, such as iron ore, to South Korea, China and Japan for boatloads of green iron to those same countries. This green iron will be built on low-emissions renewable energy, free from the price shocks and supply constraints caused by international conflict and also built by Australians participating in meaningful, clean regional jobs. When I say that I want to hold the government to account on this, what I mean is that I really want to make sure that these good ideas—the FMIA, the Reconstruction Fund, the National Battery Strategy, the Industry Growth Program, the Cooperative Research Centres Program and the Research and Development Tax Incentive—are delivered to the maximum benefit of the people of Bradfield and, in fact, all Australian communities. That's why I've chosen to ask these questions of you today, Assistant Minister, and there will be many more of these during my remaining term in the 48th Parliament.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This question is aimed at understanding how we can utilise the National Battery Strategy and the FMIA to build domestic manufacturing capabilities in cooperation with international partners: Firstly, how can this government use the NRF to partner with world battery manufacturing leaders to build both battery manufacturing and battery recycling capacities here in Australia? Secondly, how can the government, through increased manufacturing, leverage the massive demand pull for battery electrification of the mining equipment fleet here in Australia? Thirdly, how does the assistant minister plan to work across portfolios, such as with Treasury, to raise awareness and advocate for remedies to current government policies that run counter to the objectives of these otherwise laudable industry initiatives—namely, the $12 billion annual subsidy for expensive, high emissions, imported diesel, where it's used by local and multinational miners in mining equipment? If the government is to truly deliver on the opportunities that are latent within these industry initiatives, these are the sorts of cross-departmental roadblocks that need your attention and stewardship, Assistant Minister.</span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2308</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">King, Madeleine MP</name>
                <name.id>102376</name.id>
                <electorate>Brand</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
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                    <a href="102376" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms MADELEINE KING</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Brand</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Minister for Resources and Minister for Northern Australia</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:40</span>):  I just want to quickly acknowledge the contribution of the member for Parramatta. I won't repeat it, but I do appreciate his efforts in pointing out the evident cognitive dissonance that persists across the Liberal and National coalition in relation to the Department of Industry, Science and Resources and its budget and what it is endeavouring to do for this country. We saw the member for Mitchell point out, in the finest traditions of the Liberal Party, how they would clearly rather abandon Mount Isa copper, just as they abandoned the car industry in Victoria and South Australia and just like they abandoned the workers of the BP oil refinery in Kwinana, and no doubt that is just what they would like to continue to do.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">But that is not what this government will do. We will continue to deliver on our commitments to Australia, and the budget that we are presenting builds on measures in our government's first term by supporting our industry, science and resources sector. The government is determined to make sure Australia can seize opportunities for new industries and the technologies and investment they bring as part of a global shift to net zero. We are backing our resources sector and we are backing our manufacturing industries. We will make Australia stronger, at a time of global uncertainty, by developing our critical national assets and by adding value.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In my resources portfolio, no Australian government has committed more to strengthen the resources sector. We have introduced the $17.6 billion Critical Minerals Production Tax Incentive. Of course, the coalition voted against that. That incentive will provide a refundable tax offset of 10 per cent for eligible Australian processing and refining costs for those minerals on the critical minerals list. We're establishing a critical minerals strategic reserve. That will mean government has the power to purchase, own and sell critical minerals found here in Australia, and it will take more risk out of investment in that all-important sector. Our Critical Minerals Strategy makes it clear that we want to process critical minerals and rare earths here, to boost manufacturing and jobs here at home and diversify global supply chains. Australia and the world need our critical minerals and rare earths if we are to curb greenhouse emissions and avoid catastrophic climate change. It is really important to understand that these commodities are also essential for defence technologies. Australia and our partners need critical minerals and rare earths to build the latest submarines, the latest aircraft and, indeed, the upgraded Japanese Mogami-class frigates that this government has selected for the Royal Australian Navy. I am determined and this government is determined to ensure Australia can build our sovereign capability to process those minerals and metals for the benefit of the Australian people but also for the security of our partners in the region. As we know, positioning our resources industry for a brighter, more sustainable future also depends on discovering new deposits, and that's why we've committed $3.4 billion to support one of the finest institutions in this country, Geoscience Australia, through the Resourcing Australia's Prosperity program. It's literally showing us what this country is made of. It will give us a clearer picture of our mineral, energy and groundwater potential. Now, all of these measures, combined with our extra contributions to the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility, the Critical Minerals Facility, Export Finance Australia and the National Reconstruction Fund add up to $28 billion of investment by the Australian government in the future of Australia's critical minerals.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">On gas, we are currently reviewing the regulations around the gas market. It is a very important body of work in which there is great interest and much participation. We need to make sure there is adequate supply of affordable gas for the east coast so that there is stronger energy security for households and for industry. We are working on those regulations and the critical minerals reforms in a calm, methodical way in consultation with industry trading partners and all stakeholders.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The $15 billion National Reconstruction Fund will continue to invest in firms and projects to drive diversification and transformation across the seven priority areas of the economy. I note the very successful equity investment by the NRF in the Liontown Kathleen Valley lithium mine in the Northern Goldfields of Western Australia—the world's first underground mine of such a magnitude. It's a remarkable achievement by Liontown, and the NRF has been a very important part of it.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese government believes in Australia, our people and our industry. Our geological endowment, combined with the know-how, work ethic and ambition of our people, is the deep seam from which we will extract our future prosperity. This will be made possible by this government's policies and by the investments we're making in the budget papers here today.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure agreed to.</span>
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          <subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>2309</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubSubDebate">Consideration in Detail</span>
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                  <span style="font-weight:bold;">Home Affairs Portfolio</span>
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                <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure, $4,965,464,000</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2309</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wallace, Andrew MP</name>
                <name.id>265967</name.id>
                <electorate>Fisher</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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                    <a href="265967" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr WALLACE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fisher</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:46</span>):  I rise to speak on the systemic failings of the Albanese government in the Home Affairs portfolio. This portfolio should be the foundation of our national security, our border integrity and the public's confidence that their government can keep them safe. That is government's first and most important responsibility. Instead, it has become a symbol of mismanagement, confusion and weakness.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Department of Home Affairs was created in 2017 by the coalition. It was designed to bring together our key domestic security agencies. It coordinates counterterrorism, immigration, border protection, law enforcement, cybersecurity and emergency management under one strategic umbrella. I'm very privileged to be the deputy chair of the PJCIS, which oversees many of these agencies. Home affairs was designed to ensure information was shared, decisions were swift and Australia's defences were united. It worked because it had focus, discipline and accountability. But, since Labor took office, that discipline has been dismantled. The government has treated home affairs like a political experiment. It's rearranging its structure without strategy and without purpose. What was once the cornerstone of national security has been reduced to bureaucratic chaos.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The clearest example of this incompetence was the High Court ruling on indefinite detention known as the NZYQ case. It was an avoidable legal and political disaster caused by this government's own actions. You'd remember that over 150 detainees were released into the community, including convicted rapists, child sex offenders and murderers. Some have reoffended since they've been released into the community. The then minister made a reckless concession to the High Court that these individuals were being held in indefinite detention when he did not have to make that concession. His decision tied the hands of the High Court and triggered a chain of events that endangered communities across this country. Whether that was through arrogance or incompetence, the outcome remains the same. It was a serious public safety failure that should never have happened. What was the government's response? It was confusion, panic and the ultimate—albeit very long, slow and painful—reshuffle. The member for Hotham and the member for Scullin were quietly shifted on to new portfolios as if Australians would forget the consequences of their actions. That is not accountability; it is political cowardice.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Fast forward to now. The Prime Minister has handed the Home Affairs portfolio to the member for Watson, who's already carrying a pretty heavy load, one would think. The member Watson is now responsible for Home Affairs, immigration, cybersecurity, the arts and still serves as Leader of the House. He is, by definition, a part-time Home Affairs minister. That is not a serious model for national security. It is a recipe for divided attention and diminished leadership.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <span style="font-style:italic;">
                    </span>Since his appointment, we have seen this government approve the entry of almost 3,000 people from war-torn Gaza without appropriate ASIO vetting. Visas were issued in as little as 24 hours, when such checks can take weeks, if not months. Some have since had their visas cancelled after proper screening. That is not compassion; that is negligence. Minister, for those who have allegedly committed offences since being released from detention by this government, what does the government plan to do with them after they are released from prison, assuming— <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2309</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Ng, Gabriel MP</name>
                <name.id>316052</name.id>
                <electorate>Menzies</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="316052" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr NG</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Menzies</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:51</span>):  I rise to speak on the Albanese Labor government's commitment to multicultural Australia. When we on this side speak about multicultural Australia, we are not treating minorities as an afterthought when we make policy. We govern for modern Australia in all its diversity and richness. We govern for all Australians, regardless of their background. Australia has always been a multicultural country. Aboriginal Australia has a rich diversity of nations, with over 250 mobs. Australia has been built by British settlers, Chinese miners, Afghan cameleers, Sikh Anzacs and Italian, Greek and Indian migrants—people from every country on earth.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese Labor government believes that Australia's diversity is one of our greatest strengths. It brings ingenuity, wisdom, fresh perspectives and competition. It expands the marketplace of ideas. You only need to look at this side of the House, particularly at the new members of parliament, to see that our government is committed to reflecting the diversity of our community. We are one of the most successful multicultural countries on earth, and this did not happen by accident. It has been shaped by decades of policy, by communities who have worked tirelessly and by Labor governments who have recognised the value of inclusion and social cohesion.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Last week I was fortunate to have the Minister for Multicultural Affairs in Menzies, the electorate I'm lucky enough to represent, meeting with some of our local business associations and owners. For the first time, this government has appointed a dedicated minister for multicultural affairs to cabinet. This elevation shows how seriously this government takes its responsibility to multicultural Australia. The creation of the Office for Multicultural Affairs within government further strengthens our ability to coordinate policy and deliver tangible outcomes across all levels of government—federal, state and local. They are not just symbolic gestures. They are structural changes designed to ensure that multicultural policy is embedded in the heart of decision-making. They mean that the experiences, challenges and aspirations of multicultural communities will be heard where it matters most—in the cabinet.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">We have also initiated the 2024 Multicultural Framework Review—the first in-depth examination of Australia's multicultural policies and programs in 50 years. This review will help shape the next generation of multicultural policy. It will ensure that our frameworks respond to emerging challenges and continue to promote social cohesion and mutual respect. We're also committing $15 million to support community language schools across the country. This investment supports over 600 community language schools, helping more than 90,000 students to learn and preserve 84 different languages spoken in our communities. In addition, we are investing an additional $25 million to expand access to community language education. These programs are about more than just learning a language. They are about passing on culture, history and identity from one generation to the next. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In my own electorate of Menzies, we have already seen this commitment in action. Our government is supporting multiculturalism and inclusion through $200,000 of local funding delivered through the Asian Business Association of Whitehorse for local cultural festivals. This includes $150,000 of support for the Box Hill Lunar New Year Festival, one of the largest and most loved multicultural events in Victoria. Each year the festival attracts more than 100,000 people, who come together to celebrate culture, family and community. A further $50,000 will go to the Manningham Asian Cultural Festival, a newer celebration in the northern part of the electorate that is already making its mark with vibrant music, delicious food and energetic performances. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Events like local festivals are so important in building understanding and connection between cultures. While others might seek to divide us for political gain, the Labor government chooses unity over division and inclusion over fear. We believe that every Australian, whatever their race or religion and wherever they or their parents were born, should be able to feel safe, respected and proud to call this country home. That is the Labor way.</span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2310</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Caldwell, Cameron MP</name>
                <name.id>306489</name.id>
                <electorate>Fadden</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
              <body background="" style="" xmlns:w="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/wordprocessingml/2006/main" xmlns:a="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/main" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:wx="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2003/auxHint" xmlns:aml="http://schemas.microsoft.com/aml/2001/core" xmlns:pic="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/picture" xmlns:w10="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:wp="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/drawingml/2006/wordprocessingDrawing" xmlns:r="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/officeDocument/2006/relationships">
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="306489" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr CALDWELL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fadden</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Opposition Whip</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">18:56</span>):  Whilst it's great to see you, Mr Deputy Speaker Small, I was really hoping to see Minister Burke here this evening. I think that the least he could probably have done with his evening was to come and share it with a few of us here in the Federation Chamber. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">You see, of late, the minister has really enjoyed getting around and seeing the sights of Australia and making his presence well known. Last week he was welcoming refugees at the airport, and then, while the Prime Minister was overseas, he was talking about modern Australia on the steps of the Opera House, just gently raising his profile. But today, in parliament, when we are in the middle of consideration in detail on the appropriation bill, the minister is not here. The only person in this portfolio who has a track record of going missing more often is the former minister, Minister Giles, who we know was punted unceremoniously. Whilst Labor talks a big game on their national security credentials, the reality is far from it. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I wanted to see Minister Burke here tonight because he is a very, very experienced parliamentarian. He's been in this place for 21 years, and I am sure he would know the answers to some of these questions that we will pose here tonight. He is the Minister for Home Affairs, the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship and the Minister for Cyber Security, so I reckon he'd be the one to know the answers, but I appreciate the fact that he has sent along the Assistant Minister for Citizenship, Customs and Multicultural Affairs, and I suppose that, on balance, that's better than nothing.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In following on from the contribution of my good friend from the Sunshine Coast, the member for Fisher, I think it is right to point out that the first obligation of every government is to keep its citizens safe. On that very basic point, one has to call into question whether or not this Albanese Labor government has what it takes to defend our citizens and make sure that they are safe as they move around their communities. The most recent example that I can recall happened just this week. It was when Australians were shocked to hear that six people—two ISIS brides and their four children—had smuggled themselves out of Syria and had returned to Australia. This is a highly dangerous cohort of individuals who were members of the barbaric Islamic State regime. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">If it's not bad enough that these people are in our country, there are questions that I really want Minister Burke to answer. Or perhaps Assistant Minister Hill, in his stead, will answer these questions: Where are these ISIS brides now? Does the assistant minister know where they are located? Are our communities safe from these people—because I question whether or not, given the track record of this Labor government, it will have in fact carried out some pretty basic security screening on these people? Will there be some sort of program of deradicalisation to ensure that, if they've brought their extreme ideology back to Australia, it will be impressed on them that that is not the Australia that we support? In fact, I'm pretty sure that, by the very nature of their support for an international terrorist group, they have committed offences. So perhaps the answer from Assistant Minister Hill will be that they're in jail. That'd be a great answer, because then we would know where they are and we'd know that the government has been able to keep Australians safe. But I suspect that's probably not going to be the response. Minister Hill would perhaps also like to explain what support the government provided to these people in their returning to Australia and how much it has cost Australians. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">All of this is pretty bad, but the inconsistency in the explanations from the Prime Minister has been quite interesting. You see, initially, back in question time on 3 September, he said that the reports of the return of these so-called ISIS brides were not accurate, but interestingly enough it appears that they have now landed in Australia and that the New South Wales police had been right. They were coming, and now they are here, and Minister Burke and this Labor government must explain it. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2311</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Soon, Zhi MP</name>
                <name.id>298618</name.id>
                <electorate>Banks</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="298618" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr SOON</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Banks</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:01</span>):  The Home Affairs portfolio includes responsibility for Australia's multicultural affairs. I am proud to be part of the most diverse, multicultural parliament in Australia's history. Any young person in this country should be able to look at the parliament and see themselves in this place and, if they so choose to, aspire to be a part of it. My family came from Malaysia, but there are members of this House with heritage from all over the world. They include Chinese Australians, Indian Australians, Sri Lankan Australians, Lebanese Australians and many, many more. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Albanese Labor government believes that every single Australian, whatever their race or religion, wherever they or their parents were born, should be able to feel safe and at home without prejudice or discrimination. This part of our social fabric has been tested recently, and, while, unfortunately, there will always be people seeking to divide Australians, this government, our government, the Albanese government knows that multiculturalism and understanding one another are what bring Australians together. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">There is perhaps no better demonstration of the success of Australia's multiculturalism than the citizenship ceremonies we all have the opportunity to attend as members of this place. Since being elected I have been able to attend a number of ceremonies and have witnessed people from dozens of backgrounds become Australian citizens. Seeing the pure joy on the faces of the newest Australians as they take their pledge is incredibly heartwarming—every single time I see it. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">For the first time our government has appointed a dedicated minister for multicultural affairs and has elevated that position into the cabinet. Together with the new Office for Multicultural Affairs we have the means to drive a comprehensive approach to multicultural policy that will work across all three levels of government. The minister has well and truly hit the ground running, and I had the pleasure of welcoming her to my electorate last month to visit a number of constituents in the suburb of Padstow where I live. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The 2024 Multicultural Framework Review was the first in-depth examination of Australia's multiculturalism in Australia in 50 years. The Albanese government remains committed to the review, which will continue to influence our understanding of multiculturalism in our communities and will help shape the future policy and investments of this government. </span>
                </p>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Community language schools are so important for multicultural communities in this country, and this government has invested $15 million since the 2023-24 financial year, supporting 600 community language schools across the country. This support has helped more than 90,000 students across 84 languages. The government is continuing to build on this with an additional $25 million, which will see thousands more children take up another language and feel pride in their heritage, wherever their families may have come from, as well as strengthen their sense of identity as Australians.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I want to take this opportunity to highlight some of the funding provided in the multiculturalism space for the electorate of Banks. I am so proud that this government will deliver $10 million to help with the construction of the United Muslims of Australia Community Centre. The UMA is an important organisation for the Muslim community in Western and south-western Sydney, supporting young people and fostering a deep sense of belonging to our community. The commitment made to fund this project will complete the construction of the UMA precinct that integrates sports, education and social services all in one place. It would include a state-of-the-art sports complex, a youth centre and parking to allow many people to participate—truly a one-stop shop for all of the programs that UMA delivers. The organisation have been working towards this for a long time, and it will enable them to continue the great work that they do.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In closing, I want to recognise the work being done in the multiculturalism space. It is so important not just for highlighting the incredible diversity of our country and all the benefits that come with that but for building a more cohesive and united society. I look forward to continuing to contribute to this government's agenda in this very important area. </span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2312</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Wallace, Andrew MP</name>
                <name.id>265967</name.id>
                <electorate>Fisher</electorate>
                <party>LNP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
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            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="265967" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr WALLACE</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Fisher</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:06</span>):  The member for Watson has overseen the return of ISIS brides and their children. The PM this week has continued to dodge questions on the government's role in this. I hope the minister can explain to the Chamber what the definition of 'assistance' might be a little bit better than the Foreign Minister has. Minister, what assistance did the government, the Australian Border Force or other government agencies provide to facilitate the return of the ISIS brides and/or their children to Australia? </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This government confuses sentiment with strategy. It governs by reaction rather than principle. It dismantled the Home Affairs superdepartment in 2022 only to rebuild it again in 2025. It removed ASIO and the AFP from its remit, then brought them back under the same roof. Each restructure has slowed decisions, blurred accountability and weakened Australia's readiness to respond to threats. Under the coalition, the process for listing a terrorist organisation took days. Under Labor it now takes months. In an age of fast-moving threats, that delay is unacceptable. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The same dysfunction runs through our immigration system. Net migration has exploded. In two years, more than one million people have been added to Australia's population. That has placed enormous pressure on housing infrastructure, health services and schools. There are now close to three million temporary visa holders and almost 400,000 people on bridging visas in Australia. The Administrative Review Tribunal, which this government played with, is buried under more than 110,000 cases. When the coalition left government, there were 67,000 cases. That's not sustainable. It is not fair to migrants waiting for certainty, and it is not fair to Australians struggling to find a roof over their heads. </span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Despite these pressures, the government still has no clear migration strategy. The 2025-26 Migration Program was not even set in the budget. Instead we got more reviews, more talking points and no plan. When will the government set a coherent migration strategy?</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Inside the Department of Home Affairs, the picture is no better. The 2025-26 corporate plan is full of buzzwords and bureaucracy. It lists overlapping responsibilities, constant restructures and yet another so-called transformation program that changes nothing. The same department was responsible for 43 per cent of all Commonwealth FOI requests. This is the same FOI requests that the government seeks to make even harder and more costly to make—so much for transparency! In 2025 the agency tasked with guarding our borders and data is still managing sensitive information on spreadsheets.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Then there's cybersecurity. Every Australian understands the importance of protecting our digital systems and critical infrastructure, yet this government's cybersecurity record is as weak as its record on detention and immigration. Businesses continue to be hacked through years-old vulnerabilities. The minister admits many of these breaches are preventable, yet there's no enforcement, no guidance and no support for small businesses. The coalition built the foundations for a strong cyber strategy. We strengthened the ASD and invested in its critical infrastructure protection with a $9.9 billion investment. Labor has squandered that momentum. It talks tough on cyber but delivers delay after delay. In the face of growing foreign interference, this complacency is unacceptable.</span>
                </p>
                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">At the heart of this failure lies a deeper truth. Australia still does not have a national security strategy. The coalition and I have been calling for one for years, as have defence leaders, experts and allies. Our AUKUS partners in the US and UK each have national security strategies. Australia does not. We cannot keep patching our national security framework with quick fixes and bumper-sticker bills. Security should be built in not bolted on. The late Jim Molan put it perfectly when he said:</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Small" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Small">… how can there be a defence strategy without an overarching and comprehensive national security strategy?</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;&#xA;          text-indent:0pt;&#xA;        ">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Home Affairs portfolio touches every Australian life. This government needs to do— <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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          <speech>
            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2312</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Abdo, Basem MP</name>
                <name.id>316915</name.id>
                <electorate>Calwell</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
                <in.gov />
                <first.speech />
              </talker>
            </talk.start>
            <talk.text>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">
                    <a href="316915" type="MemberSpeech">
                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr ABDO</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Calwell</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:11</span>):  I rise to speak on Appropriation Bill (No. 1) 2025-2026, which delivers a budget that continues the Albanese Labor government's unwavering commitment to multiculturalism, to fairness, to inclusion and to belonging for every Australian. I have not heard the speakers opposite mention anything today about how proud they are of Australia. It's all threats and fear. Our vision and our approach—an approach we are delivering for Australia—is instead about inclusion and opportunity, things that actually contribute to our national security. I'm proud to serve in the most diverse government this parliament has ever seen. This matters.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This government believes that every person, regardless of background and faith, wherever they're from or wherever their parents may have been born, deserves to feel safe, values and respected, free from prejudice and free from discrimination. It puts multiculturalism at the centre of our body politic, our institutions, so that it's not an add-on but an essential part of the formulation and delivery of policies and programs, particularly under the Home Affairs portfolio. Since 2023 the Albanese Labor government has invested $15 million to support 600 community language schools, reaching 90,000 students learning 84 languages nationwide. This budget adds a further $25 million, giving thousands more children the chance to learn another language, connect with their culture and grow their sense of pride and identity as Australians. Language is not just a communication form; it is about culture, connection and belonging for communities and actually adds to our people-to-people links and our relationships with the world and with our region.</span>
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                <p class="HPS-Normal" style="direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:normal;">
                  <span class="HPS-Normal">That belief runs through this budget, backed not just in principle but in practice. For the first time in Australia's history, the Albanese Labor government has elevated the standalone position of the Minister for Multicultural Affairs to cabinet. I want to thank the Minister for Multicultural Affairs for her work in this space and for her engagement on matters which really go to the heart of our approach to this issue—not as a marginal side issue but as one that goes hand in hand with who we are as a country and equally our place in the world. That goes for other ministers in this portfolio—international education, multicultural affairs, small business, international development and immigration with foreign affairs. We take a holistic approach to this important portfolio.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">This budget continues to fund that work, investing in programs that strengthen social cohesion, counter racism and celebrate the cultural and linguistic diversity that defines modern Australia. This includes over $190,000 that's been provided for community language schools in my electorate of Calwell over the last two years. I had the opportunity to attend one such school through my visit to the Craigieburn Nepalese Community, an organisation which does a mountain of work helping the community in various aspects, from sports, recreation and schools: through to initiatives such as support for new arrivals and parents, and the prevention of family violence.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">For us, multiculturalism isn't just about celebratory occasions. We fight for multiculturalism because we fight for modern Australia. As the Minister for Home Affairs has said, 'modern Australia and multicultural Australia are the same thing'. We've seen the Liberals do their best to undermine our multiculturalism. They talk about safety but use every opportunity to make Australians feel less safe. I'll give you a tip: marginalising, demonising and ostracising members of our community does not enhance national security. We've seen them demonise our proud Australian Indian community. We've seen it in those who speak about being 'estranged' but won't utter by whom. But I suspect they're more estranged from the shadow frontbench now instead. We've seen it by those who've said that Islamophobia is 'fictitious'—it's not real—and by others who say it doesn't exist in society.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The Liberal Party of today is being rightly described as being governed by the far right and the further right. What we, the Albanese Labor government, are proud to defend in this place is social cohesion and to protect our multiculturalism so that all Australians feel safe, valued and recognised.</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2313</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Steggall, Zali MP</name>
                <name.id>175696</name.id>
                <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
                <party>IND</party>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms STEGGALL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Warringah</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:16</span>):  The Home Affairs portfolio is responsible for the National Emergency Management Agency, NEMA. They are, in essence, our domestic security when it comes to escalating climate risks. Many talk of defending and keeping Australians safe, but there is certainly a side of politics that doesn't want to acknowledge this very increasing and real risk. While the costs of disaster recovery climbs, we are still failing to invest adequately in adaptation and resilience, and that was visible in the appropriation bill.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In Warringah, we see firsthand the impact of extreme weather events. From coastal erosion along our beaches and rising home insurance costs, extreme weather losses are up 67 per cent from the previous five years. The Northern Beaches is now one of the most climate risk exposed areas in the country, carrying the highest emergency services levy, through the LGA, in New South Wales. Australia is now one of the most exposed continents in the world to natural disasters. Since 2022, there have been 166 declared natural disasters, impacting more than half of our local government areas. Cyclone Alfred alone is estimated to have cost $13.5 billion for about a week of disruption.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Each year, natural disasters are costing Australians around $38 billion. Communities are being devastated again and again, and insurance is becoming unaffordable. If we want to protect lives and livelihoods, as the Home Affairs portfolio is tasked to do, we need to be ambitious and accountable in investing in adaptation and resilience, and that is what NEMA is for. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In 2022, the government created the National Emergency Management Agency to bring together disaster response, recovery and resilience into one agency. NEMA leads the Commonwealth crisis management efforts, coordinates emergency responses, funds disaster recovery and community support, and overseas resilience initiatives such as the Disaster Ready Fund. It was intended to be the Commonwealth centre of excellence for disaster resilience and management, yet the funding does not match the scale of the challenge.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In the 2025-26 budget, NEMA received $188 million over four years for operations. The Disaster Ready Fund will provide $200 million per year for resilience projects—totalling $1 billion over five years. Think about that: $200 million per year to address the costs of some $38 billion in damages per year. The contrast is stark. The budget also includes $1.2 billion just for disaster payments following Cyclone Alfred, with overall recovery costs expected to reach $13.5 billion. The imbalance is just so stark. We're spending billions after disasters occur but only a fraction on preparation and risk reduction. Less than 13 per cent of NEMA's budget is in fact directed towards preparedness, yet CSIRO research shows that every $1 spent on disaster preparation will save $11 on recovery costs. This would be good economic management. Without scaling up NEMA's resilience funding, we are condemning communities to relive the same trauma, disaster after disaster.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">My question to the minister is: given the escalating costs of disasters, which are now $38 billion a year, can you clarify the government's decision-making process in allocating funding to NEMA, and will you commit to increasing the proportion of funding directed to disaster preparedness and resilience so that we invest in adaptation upfront rather than paying many times over in recovery?</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Secondly, in my time remaining, I'd like to address immigration. There is much scaremongering done in this place around immigration. The reality is that it is too often a political attack line or a scapegoat for economic challenges that are due to poor management over the years. The reality is that immigration is a driver for growth, innovation and community strength. We need migration systems to be fair, efficient and focused on supporting Australian businesses and communities. I've met with many local businesses that are struggling under the cost, the delay and the lack of timeliness when it comes to sponsored visas and having an immigration system that will work to address skill shortages. So I urge the government to really address that. The high operating costs, critical labour shortages and long visa-processing times for small businesses that need immediate relief when it comes to staff are simply untenable. We have complex visa rules and we have slow processing, so I urge the government to assist with that and I ask the minister, given the importance of migration, what the government will do to improve the system. <span style="font-style:italic;">(Time expired)</span></span>
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            <talk.start>
              <talker>
                <page.no>2314</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Jordan-Baird, Alice MP</name>
                <name.id>316021</name.id>
                <electorate>Gorton</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Ms JORDAN-BAIRD</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Gorton</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:21</span>):  I rise today to speak on the Albanese Labor government's commitment to multiculturalism. My electorate of Gorton in Melbourne's west is incredibly diverse. My community has one of the highest populations of first- and second-generation migrants in Australia. More than 33 per cent of my electorate were born overseas. More than 30,000 of my constituents speak a language other than English at home. And we are growing fast. In Fraser Rise and Plumpton, you'll find the second-highest population growth rate in the country. I'm incredibly proud to represent an electorate with so many families that have made the difficult decision to pack up and start a new life in Melbourne's west. Many of these families are settling in suburbs and estates like Aintree, Fraser Rise, Deanside, Mount Atkinson and Thornhill Park. While they settle down in our wonderful suburbs, they continue to carry with them vibrant cultures and rich histories of migration.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Unfortunately, we have to acknowledge a difficult reality: that those experiences are not always met with open arms and open minds. The anti-immigration protests we saw in recent weeks across Australia, targeting our Indian Australian communities, were abhorrent. On the day of those protests, I had local temple leaders telling their community not to leave their homes because it was safer to stay indoors. In Australia, no-one should have their personal safety compromised. No-one should have to be told that it is unsafe to be in public places because they don't belong. Our community will not be divided by people seeking to intimidate and to hate, because no-one in Australia should have to justify their belonging. Yet we have opposition members in this chamber who continue to tug at that question of belonging with offensive and racist remarks—remarks those members refuse to apologise for but we on the side condemn. What we do and what we say in and outside this chamber as a lasting impact.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">On this side of the chamber, we know that it is not just what we say and what we do that matters; it's who we are. For the kids in my electorate sitting at home watching parliament and the news on TV, it means so much to see their own experiences reflected back at them and to hear names like Ambihaipahar, Soon, Ng, Ananda-Rajah, Abdo, Aly, Lim and Sitou. Having those names representing their country means so much. This representation is a statement: you belong here. It's part of the reason I couldn't be prouder to stand in this chamber as part of our Labor government beside the Ambihaipahars and Alys of our Labor caucus, because in this, the 48th Parliament, we have the most multiculturally diverse government this nation has ever seen. We believe that every Australian, whatever their race or religion and wherever they or their parents were born, should be able to feel safe at home, without prejudice or discrimination. That's why, for the first time, we have appointed a dedicated Minister for Multicultural Affairs and we have elevated that position into cabinet. </span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">In 2023-24 we invested $15 million to support 500 community language schools, helping over 90,000 students learn 84 languages across Australia, and we're investing an additional $25 million which will see thousands of children take up another language, fostering pride in their heritage and strength in their Australian identities. In my electorate of Gorton we have committed $5 million for the construction of a brand-new community and education centre at the Sri Durga Temple in Deanside. Sri Durga Temple is the largest Hindu temple in the Southern Hemisphere. It's more than a place of worship; it is a cornerstone of our local community. I was proud to attend their recent Dussehra festival on Sunday, celebrating the triumph of light over darkness. This $5 million investment will help the temple expand its vital work from food relief to cultural education, but it'll do more than just that; the $5 million investment in the Sri Durga Temple in Deanside will tell our constituents who attend the Sri Durga Temple across Gorton, Melbourne's west and all of Australia that you belong here, and our diverse wonderful Labor government will always send that message home.</span>
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              <talker>
                <page.no>2315</page.no>
                <time.stamp />
                <name role="metadata">Hill, Julian MP</name>
                <name.id>86256</name.id>
                <electorate>Bruce</electorate>
                <party>ALP</party>
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                <first.speech />
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                      <span class="HPS-MemberSpeech">Mr HILL</span>
                    </a> (<span class="HPS-Electorate">Bruce</span>—<span class="HPS-MinisterialTitles">Assistant Minister for Citizenship, Customs and Multicultural Affairs and Assistant Minister for International Education</span>) (<span class="HPS-Time">19:26</span>):  I thank government members for their contributions. I also acknowledge the contribution of the member for Warringah, and I will pass on the questions regarding NEMA funding to the Minister for Emergency Management so she can respond directly in a different forum. As for the rest of the contributions, I was listening carefully; I was trying to write down questions. My friend the member for Fisher made two contributions but asked no questions; it was just a bit of a rant. As for the rest of them, though, their hearts were so in it. They were so deeply committed to finding out what's in the government's budget that they ran away. They quit. They cut and ran. They're following the fine example of the immediate past shadow minister for home affairs, who also quit his job on Friday, leaving the former shadow minister for home affairs to front Senate estimates this week. They're so committed to national security that they literally quit and ran away. Small mercies, Deputy Speaker Small—I recall fondly your contribution yesterday, which seemed to revolve around students being Furbies, cats and dogs in the education debate, so they're following in a fine tradition.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">With respect to the one question that was posed—does the government have what it takes to keep Australians safe—the answer is, yes, we do. As to the obsession with Australian citizens returning from Syrian IDP camps, if you want the answer to that, I refer you to my interview this morning on Sky News and I refer you to the Minister for Home Affairs' extensive answer on this in question time today. The government has not provided repatriation or assistance for these people to return. The answer was the same a month ago, it was the same yesterday, it's the same today and it'll be the same tomorrow, because that's the truth of it. Our security agencies are constantly watching this cohort offshore. If, as Australian citizens, they under their own steam return to Australia, as is their right as citizens, then we watch them here. We take advice from the security agencies.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">The member for Fadden, I think it was, is relatively new, so we will give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he hadn't cleaned out his ears in question time and didn't hear the answers that were given: exactly the same scenarios occurred multiple times under the former government. What it boils down to is this: if the opposition don't trust our security agencies and the people who lead them, the same people who led them when they were in government, the same people they know—the member for Fisher and I served on the intelligence and security committee—then they should just say so. If they don't trust the work of Australia's security agencies, then say so. Otherwise the bizarre kind of 'members after dark' echo chamber that we heard over there should go back to whatever weird WhatsApp chat group they like to hang out on and hate on each other, because that's their main sport, the far right and the further right of the now Liberal Party. I don't call them the modern Liberal Party; it is today's Liberal Party—I wouldn't ascribe the word 'modern' to them.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">As for the rest, we do have a migration strategy, a fundamental difference between our government and the previous government. We have a migration strategy. We did a review, we put out a strategy, and we're implementing it. You can't point to that in the nine or so years—a decade really—of decay and disfunction and division that we saw from those opposite.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">I'm happy to answer questions, but there really were no questions; it was just miserable rants, and they ran away. So here we are. Anyway, there you go! It's a matter for them, how they choose to use their time in opposition. They weren't a very good government, and they're not a very good opposition.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Proposed expenditure agreed to.</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-Normal">Ordered that consideration in detail of the bill be made an order of the day for the next sitting.</span>
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                    <span style="font-weight:bold;">Federation Chamber adjourned at 19:31</span>
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