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            <a href="Chamber" type="">Wednesday, 14 October 2026</a>
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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">The PRESIDENT (Senator </span>
            <span style="font-weight:bold;">the Hon. </span>
            <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sue Lines</span>
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  <para>If there is no objection, the meetings are authorised.</para>
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          <title>Defence Amendment (Sexual Assault Prevention, Intervention and Response Commission) Bill 2025</title>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Defence Amendment (Sexual Assault Prevention, Intervention and Response Commission) Bill 2025</span>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
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  <para>The first time I gave a speech in this chamber, I spoke about the cover-up of appallingly high levels of abuse and sexual assaults in the military. That was in 2014. Twelve years later, there have been over a dozen inquiries into sexual assault in Defence. You would think that, after all the money and time spent and the victims having to retraumatise themselves by telling their stories over and over again, things would be getting better. I'm sorry to tell the Senate that they are not. The royal commission has noted that the Australian Defence Force has put in a range of reforms over the last 10 years, but, as they put it, 'despite these reforms, significant problems remain'. I am very grateful to the royal commissioners for their excellent work and their recommendations, but there are a couple I didn't agree with, and recommendation 25&#x2014;to hold another inquiry into sexual assault in the Defence Force&#x2014;is one of them.</para>
<para>Taxpayers have funded over a dozen reviews and inquiries into military sexual violence. We don't need another one. We know what the problems are, and what really worries me is that another inquiry just becomes another excuse to delay taking action&#x2014;no more. Let's be clear: you are asking victims once again to tell their stories. Fair dinkum! That must not be allowed to happen. There's been enough trauma for those victims. I've got to say that I am extremely disappointed that Penny McKay, the Defence and Veterans' Service Commissioner, sent out a newsletter that said, 'Hearing directly from those with lived and living experience of military sexual violence will help inform the inquiry's recommendations.' That's not true.</para>
<para>This inquiry, headed by Natasha Stott Despoja, has no powers for the victims out there&#x2014;none. They have no power to demand documents. They can write recommendations, but the inquiry has zero power to enforce any recommendations. This is an absolute waste of time and money, and I will be telling victims of military sexual violence that they don't need to give testimony, because the military sexual violence inquiry will take on board testimony already given. That should have been made very clear by Commissioner McKay. Victims shouldn't have to tell their stories over and over again just so Commissioner McKay or Defence can pat themselves on the back and pretend they are actually doing something that will make real change. You've had enough time.</para>
<para>There is plenty of material for Natasha Stott Despoja to read covering the experience of victim-survivors dealing with sexual assault in Defence. I suggest, Ms Stott Despoja, that you read the dozen or so reports we already have, but start with the DLA Piper, girlfriend, and finish with volume 3 of the royal commission's final report. I do not support encouraging witnesses to come forward, retraumatising themselves and pretending it will tell us something new again. It is so cruel. The majority of the submissions to the inquiry on my bill want action and they want it today, except for&#x2014;yes, here we go&#x2014;very disappointingly, the Defence and Veterans Service Commission, the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force&#x2014;nothing new there&#x2014;and guess who else? Defence&#x2014;no surprises.</para>
<para>Witnesses at the public hearing were like me, worried that Natasha Stott Despoja's inquiry will just cause more delays, and that means the status quo continues and all we get is more victims. Currently, ADF personnel are expected to continue working in some environments with known perpetrators and predators, and that can include victim-survivors working alongside their perpetrator, because the system cannot arrange separation or the victim-survivor is too scared to come forward. I would ask everyone in this place to think about that and ask yourselves, is that somewhere where you'd like to work? Is it a place where you'd like your son or daughter to work?</para>
<para>The review into allegations of sexual and other abuse in Defence conducted in 2011 and 2012, heard testimony from 770 people who became victim-survivors through their service our Australian Defence Force. Dr Rumble, who led that review, retains a strong personal obligation to every one of those individuals. His frustration with the lack of real action to address military sexual violence was evident during the inquiry. Gary proposed Defence leaders should be asked, 'Would you advise your daughters and your granddaughters to join the Defence Force next week?' He was very clear: 'I wouldn't let my granddaughter go anywhere near the Defence Force. This is urgent.'</para>
<para>Anyone who has spent time and spent any time in this place or a bureaucracy knows that inquiries and reviews are and can be used to delay real action. Ms Ballard shared that view, telling the inquiry, 'Inquiries and reviews continue to delay, delay, delay any real reform.' Again, we know what the problems are. What we need is action, and it is way overdue. My bill is heavily influenced by the recommendations from the royal commission and the other inquiries. The aim of the recent inquiry into my bill was to analyse it and see where it can be improved, and to that end I thank everyone that made submissions and appeared as witnesses. I also thank the committee secretariat and my Senate colleagues for their efforts and support while I dealt with my back issues. I make a special mention of Senator David Pocock, who introduced the bill and sought its referral to the inquiry on my behalf. I cannot thank enough Senator Jessica Collins, who posed many questions to witnesses for me and has stood her ground all the way through it to get to the answers. Thank you so much, Jess.</para>
<para>I acknowledge that the government has made some progress through recent amendments to the Defence Force Discipline Act, or DFDA. Those amendments show a willingness to change in the government. I hope this willingness remains for the future passage of this bill. I acknowledge the victims and survivors of the sexual assault&#x2014;mainly women, but also men&#x2014;and the terrible pain and trauma that it has caused you and your families, who have suffered. We must recognise that, despite Defence's efforts, it's not getting better. We must try a different approach, and that's what my bill does. Professor Wadham, a witness at the hearing, agrees. He told the inquiry, 'This legislation takes cases of sexual assault out of Defence's hands, strengthens procedures and begins to reshape those institutional arrangements.'</para>
<para>The bill addresses many issues that would normally be handled by regulations. I have made a very conscious decision that they should be legislated. They must be captured in law&#x2014;there is no other choice&#x2014;so they cannot be tweaked, they cannot be weakened and they cannot be changed without the majority of parliament agreeing with them in the future. We need laws in place to protect our servicepeople and punish the perpetrators once and for all. Many of the submissions to the inquiry had valuable feedback on the bill and pointed out aspects that could be aligned to existing legislation, strengthened or improved. I appreciate the feedback so much, and assure you it will be considered as we progress the bill and amend it where needed to get the best outcome and get the results that we need for a better Defence Force.</para>
<para>The royal commission's commissioners asked Defence to tell them how many serving members have been convicted of sexual offences in civilian courts, even where those offences were perpetrated at work against another member, but Defence couldn't give the commissioners the numbers. But Defence couldn't give the commissioners the numbers. The royal commissioners reported that Defence's own numbers showed that close to 800 sexual assaults had been reported in the Australian Defence Force over the previous five years. But the real number will be much higher. Since the Defence Force Ombudsman was given oversight of serious abuse in the Australian Defence Force, they've received over 2,000 complaints of sexual assault or sexual misconduct within. This is nothing new. Past reviews have established that reporting of sexual assaults by members of the Australian Defence Force is low. Defence itself estimates an underreporting rate of 60 per cent for sexual assaults in their organisation. Good on you for being conservative! Let's push that number, because I can tell you that Professor MacKenzie told the royal commission that she estimated that 80 per cent of people that experience sexual misconduct in military organisations don't report it. Setting aside terminology discrepancies, just consider this: if those 800 reported sexual assaults were only 20 to 40 per cent of the total, then the number we are probably looking at is about 1,400&#x2014;shocking.</para>
<para>For some additional perspective, there are more than 2,000 women registered for the Australian Defence Force class action on gender based sexual assault, harassment or discrimination, and over a third of them&#x2014;this is shameful in itself&#x2014;are currently serving in our Australian Defence Force. Gee, I wonder if their perpetrators are sitting there with them! The law firm JGA Sadler expect there are thousands more yet to come. I encourage you to contact them. I encourage you to contact them, lady. They're the real deal.</para>
<para>In 2012, a review conducted by the Human Rights Commission reported that they had heard from female veterans who had been sexually assaulted or subjected to harassment but didn't report it because they were worried about being victimised. They didn't trust the reporting regime, and they feared their confidentiality would be breached. As Dr Rumble stated:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Unreported abuse is a silent disaster for victims and for the ADF.</para></quote>
<para>And he is absolutely right. With so much underreporting, the Human Rights Commission drew the conclusion:</para>
<quote><para class="block">An accurate picture of the extent of sexually based unacceptable behaviour cannot be gained.</para></quote>
<para>Fast-forward to the recent royal commission, 12 years later. When they were writing their final report, the ADF still could not accurately quantify the prevalence of all forms of sexual misconduct in the workplace. Defence couldn't even tell the commissioners how many serving members had been convicted of sexual offences in civilian courts. As the commissioners put it&#x2014;and I quote: 'To say we find this concerning is an absolute understatement.' This is how we know&#x2014;not guess but know&#x2014;that rapists and sexual abusers are still walking around in the goddamn bloody uniform. That is shameful. The standard you walk past is the standard, apparently, that you accept.</para>
<para>In 2012, the Human Rights Commission recommended Defence urgently investigate mechanisms that allowed members to make confidential, restricted reports of sexual harassment, sex discrimination and sexual assault. In response, Defence established the Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response Office, SeMPRO, but left out the most important bit&#x2014;the restricted reporting element. My bill fixes this and establishes a better mechanism to improve reporting. SeMPRO might offer support, but it does nothing else. Even then, I'd quarry about the 'support' bit. It does absolutely nothing to change outcomes for victims or perpetrators. SeMPRO has been an absolute waste of space. For me, it's just another mechanism for cover-up, and that's all SeMPRO has been. It does nothing to change the culture in Defence. If we don't change the institutional habits in Defence, the culture, then nothing will change when it comes to sexual assault.</para>
<para>Defence holds the view that many of the proposed functions already exist within Defence and are performed by specialist bodies with statutory independence or dedicated expertise. While that might be correct for some of those bodies, it fails to recognise this: those bodies aren't truly independent from Defence, are they? But the victims know that, and so do I. They aren't empowered to act independently. In some cases, they are insufficiently trained or resourced. Ultimately, the current set-up is not working. Change is desperately needed now. It is well overdue.</para>
<para>Colleagues, I expect most of you have heard the phrase, 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.' Well, we can all see it is madness to retain the same institutional settings and expect things to get better. Some argue that members of the Australian Defence Force should be held to a higher standard than the civilian population, but they should absolutely not be held to a lesser standard or allowed greater leeway. It has now been acknowledged that perpetrators of sexual assault are not suitable to be retained as members of the Australian Defence Force, but much more work is needed to look at sexual assault involving civilians in the Defence Force environment as well. Establishing the Sexual Assault Prevention, Intervention and Response Commission will provide a specialist organisation that can help Defence leadership deal with the issue of sexual assault. It will help them meet the obligation on leadership to establish a safe working environment for their people.</para>
<para>The bill isn't perfect, but it goes a long way to addressing the current issues. However, there is scope for improvement, and, with the feedback to date, I am working on improving it. Give me a little more time, and I will bring the bill back with the necessary amendments as soon as I can next year. To my Senate colleagues: I also ask that you allow me a little bit more time so I can get this bill into the best shape possible and then bring it back for your consideration. When I do, I hope you can help prove to the victims that, while it's taken far too long to act, we have listened and we are going to take action that will protect others and tell perpetrators their time is up. I apologise for the further delay and that delays result in more suffering, more trauma and more victims of military sexual violence.</para>
<para>If anyone doubts me, let me tell you about an email I got yesterday from a former member of the Navy. You're really doing it great there in Defence! The sender told me that concealed cameras have recently been found in the female sailors' shower facilities on the vessel HMAS <inline font-style="italic">Leeuwin</inline> based in Cairns. I was also told that this had occurred recently and had prevented the vessel from sailing while investigations were ongoing. Even more disturbing are claims that footage from these cameras may have been uploaded online before the cameras were discovered. The sender's greatest worry is that similar devices may be in other vessels. How many of our female sailors have unknowingly been recorded in their most private moments? How much footage has been distributed online so far, retained or uploaded without knowledge or consent? These are the questions I ask the Navy today. It's out of the bag. There you go, reporters. Give the Navy a ring and ask them what's going on.</para>
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    <time.stamp>09:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BLYTH</name>
    <name.id>315170</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
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  <para>I would like to start by thanking Senator Lambie for bringing this important legislation, the Defence Amendment (Sexual Assault Prevention, Intervention and Response Commission) Bill 2025, before the Senate this morning. I think it's fair to say that Senator Lambie has been a very consistent and hard-fighting advocate for both our service men and women and our personnel. She has been unafraid to say what needs to be said, so I would like to sincerely thank Senator Lambie for all her advocacy in this area and for bringing bills like this to the Senate for us to talk about and debate.</para>
<para>The Australian way of life has been secured through the enduring service, the courage and the sacrifice of the men and women who have defended our nation in uniform. In recognition of that service, we have a responsibility to ensure that our Defence personnel are treated with respect, protected from harm and supported when they need help. That is something that the coalition fundamentally believes in, and that is why we fought so hard to make sure that there wasn't a cap on veterans' services for when these brave service men and women left the service and that their health care was worth more than the $5,000 cap that Labor was proposing.</para>
<para>Sexual assault has no place in Australian society, let alone in our defence force. Every single person who puts on the uniform, who serves our nation and who seeks to protect us from harm should be protected from harm themselves, and they should have confidence that, if there are allegations of sexual violence, they will be taken seriously. The former coalition government established the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide in 2021. This was after listening to veterans and their families and the ex-service community. The royal commission exposed serious failings in the treatment of both serving personnel and veterans, including the devastating consequences of military sexual violence. Its findings demanded accountability and lasting reform.</para>
<para>The coalition today stands here happy to support Senator Lambie's bill to establish an independent sexual assault prevention, intervention and response commission dedicated to addressing sexual violence within the defence forces across Australia. This bill seeks to strengthen prevention, improve reporting pathways, provide dedicated support to victim-survivors and strengthen the investigation of sexual assault allegations. Its proposed framework includes education and training, evidence collection, legal assistance and a 24-hour-a-day, seven-day-a-week response capability.</para>
<para>The men and women who defend Australia deserve to know that their parliament is going to act to support them. Defence personnel should be able to seek help without fearing that, in doing so, they will damage their career, that they will undermine their standing within their unit or that that will expose them to any kind of retaliation. Access to this support should not be dependent on their rank or posting, or on whether a person is ready to proceed with a formal complaint.</para>
<para>The bill's proposed restricted and unrestricted reporting options recognise the importance of giving victims greater choice in how they wish to seek assistance. Independent oversight can only help by building confidence that complaints will be handled properly and that institutional failures will be identified and addressed. Prevention must, of course, be the core responsibility across Defence. Commanders and managers have an obligation to set clear standards, respond promptly to concerns and ensure unacceptable behaviour is never, ever, excused or concealed. A strong and fair military justice system must protect victim-survivors, ensure allegations are investigated thoroughly and preserve procedural fairness for all of those who are involved.</para>
<para>Protecting our people who serve to protect our nation will protect our Defence Force. A safe workplace, trusted leadership and effective responses to serious misconduct are essential to morale, unit cohesion and operational readiness and success.</para>
<para>Establishing a commission must lead to practical improvements. It must have the resources, the expertise and the independence to carry out the responsibilities effectively. Its responsibilities must also be clearly coordinated with existing defence services, investigative authorities and the Defence and Veterans' Service Commission. Personnel seeking assistance deserve clear pathways and timely support.</para>
<para>The coalition will support this bill, having considered the Senate committee findings, and we will consider supporting sensible amendments that improve its operation, protect privacy and strengthen accountability. This bill is looking to amend the Defence Act 1903, and the measures that are included in this bill establish an independent Sexual Assault Prevention, Intervention and Response Commission. It is designed to provide a comprehensive framework for preventing sexual assault, supporting victims, managing reports, collecting evidence and strengthening accountability in Defence.</para>
<para>Division 1 sets out the framework's objectives and provides definitions. Division 2 establishes the commission, comprising a commissioner, at least one deputy commissioner and staff. The commissioner will be responsible for establishing and maintaining the prevention, intervention and response framework. This will include training; reporting systems; support services; evidence collection; record keeping; a sexual assault investigation unit; legal assistance for eligible victim-survivors; and a policy addressing retaliation or reprisal. I think that last part is important because, according to some defence personnel and veterans that I've spoken to, one of the reasons that they didn't report sexual assault while they were serving or haven't while they are serving is that they are afraid of the retaliation that will happen and the reprisal that will occur if they come forward.</para>
<para>Division 3 sets out the principal operational functions of the framework. It requires face-to-face awareness training, addressing consent, sexual assault, bystander intervention, reporting options and leadership responsibility. Division 3 also establishes restricted and unrestricted reporting options for eligible adult victims, including specified defence members, adult dependents and defence civilians; a forensic evidence collection capability and a separate evidence collection unit; a standardised database and secure record keeping across Defence, which allows victims a mechanism to have permanent access to their records; specialist education and certification requirements for personnel delivering the framework; and the creation of the Sexual Assault Investigation Unit.</para>
<para>Division 4 imposes responsibilities on defence personnel and senior office holders, including the Chief of the Defence Force, the Defence Secretary, the Chief of Joint Operations, service chiefs, the Director of Military Prosecutions and all other relevant commanders. These duties cover prevention, training, reporting, support and implementation of the framework. Defence personnel must not retaliate against those providing information about alleged sexual assault, knowingly make false accusations or condone or ignore sexual assaults.</para>
<para>Division 5 prohibits appointment, enlistment or commissioning of people convicted of sexual assault or required to be registered as sex offenders. Spent convictions are included, and failure to disclose relevant matters is grounds for instant administrative discharge.</para>
<para>Division 6 provides appointments, remuneration, conflicts of interests, staffing and other administrative arrangements. The commissioner is appointed by the Governor-General on the minister's recommendation on a full-time basis for a term of up to five years, with one reappointment permitted.</para>
<para>As I've said, the coalition will support this bill of Senator Lambie, having considered the Senate committee's findings, and we will consider supporting sensible amendments that improve its operation, protect privacy and strengthen accountability. The men and women who serve in the Australian Defence Force make extraordinary sacrifices on our behalf to protect our nation. In return, they deserve a defence force that protects their safety, their dignity and their wellbeing. Sexual assault has no place in our Defence Force. Those who come forward must have the confidence that they will be heard, supported and treated fairly without fear of retaliation or damage to their careers.</para>
<para>I want to again thank Senator Lambie for her longstanding advocacy on the issue and acknowledge the courage of the victims who have spoken out and who have demanded meaningful change not only from this parliament but from Defence itself.</para>
<para>The establishment of an independent commission must deliver more than another layer of bureaucracy. It must strengthen accountability, restore confidence in reporting processes and deliver practical improvements for serving personnel. The coalition remains committed to ensuring that those who dedicate their lives to defending Australia can serve in an environment where their safety is protected, their concerns are taken seriously and those responsible for any wrongdoing are held accountable.</para>
<para class="italic"><inline font-style="italic">(Quorum formed)</inline></para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHOEBRIDGE</name>
    <name.id>169119</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
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  <para>It's my great pleasure to rise in support of Senator Lambie's bill, the Defence Amendment (Sexual Assault Prevention, Intervention and Response Commission) Bill 2025, on behalf of the Greens. I think many of us watch the way politics is played in this place and watch the way in which politics is played more generally, but I think anyone who watches the way Senator Lambie deals with the concerns, the welfare and the health of veterans and doesn't see genuine is not watching. You're not watching and you're not hearing and you're not seeing the lived experience that Senator Lambie brings to this place and her continuing connection, particularly with women but not just with women, serving in the ADF. And so I want to acknowledge that work, Senator Lambie, and I want to acknowledge where this bill comes from.</para>
<para>This bill proposes a sexual assault prevention, intervention and response commission. When you read the royal commission's report into the culture in the ADF, you see that there is an inevitable hierarchy in any military, which is essential for a military to operate in times of war and conflict. But that same hierarchy is too often weaponised against women who are bringing complaints in about sexual assault. We have seen it time and time again. The hierarchy is the issue in this place.</para>
<para>In response to that, this bill proposes a series of mechanisms establishing a sexual assault prevention, intervention and response regime through a series of important criteria. Those include putting in place a new reporting system, putting in place education and training programs and putting in place mandatory briefings for commanding officers. I might stop there for a moment. A number of women who have come to my office on this and said that, when they're reporting up to their commanding officer, they're reporting to someone who's never had training, has never had experience and is used to unquestioning obedience in the chain of command. That's the culture&#x2014;unquestioning obedience in the chain of command&#x2014;and reporting up through the chain of command seems to have this inevitable shutdown. And the power imbalance in that moment when the reporting is up through the chain of command is the thing that is seen repeatedly in the ADF.</para>
<para>The minimum criteria also include survivors and victims of sexual assault receiving 24/7 access to support. For an organisation the size of the ADF, that seems incredibly achievable. They also include policy that addresses retaliation or reprisals against survivors and victims&#x2014;and clear policy on that&#x2014;so that people know in advance that, if you respond by way of reprisal to someone who has brought a valid claim forward, the hierarchy won't back you in even if you're more senior to them. There are clear policies, and you'll be held to account for that. This establishes a victim-survivor legal counsel program so that support outside the ADF is available. It needs to be independent legal advice where those who are serving know for sure that it will be confidential, it will be independent and it won't be influenced by the chain of command in the ADF. It provides for ongoing periodic review of these changes and also puts in place specialist investigators for sexual assault.</para>
<para>Now, I also want to acknowledge&#x2014;I know the government gets beaten up a lot in this space and I know there's been a lot of heat on Minister Keogh&#x2014;that parts of this reform have been happening. In the last session of this parliament, we supported legislation that put in place some of these measures to allow, for example, specialist investigators for sexual assault being outside of the ADF. The Greens supported that legislation. I know Senator Lambie supported that legislation. From memory, it was supported across the parliament in relation to sexual assault matters enabling people outside the ADF to be brought in with expertise in victims focused review in order to do that. I think we should acknowledge that this bill was presented by Senator Lambie before those amendments had been brought by the government. I'm not suggesting that there's causation here, but I do think the pressure on the government, coming from across the board, has been really important in bringing those reforms through in a timely form, but I don't think anyone would suggest&#x2014;I doubt even the government would suggest&#x2014;that those reforms were anything like complete.</para>
<para>This bill follows the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide, which uncovered these systemic issues relating to sexual assault in the ADF. The royal commission made 14 recommendations relating to this issue, all of which have been accepted by the government. This bill is a way of implementing them in a very effective and direct fashion. The government, as I said, has acted on some aspects of those recommendations. The Defence Force Discipline Amendment (RCDVS Implementation and Related Measures No. 1) Bill and the Defence Legislation Amendment (RCDVS Implementation and Related Measures No. 2) both passed this house earlier this year. However, the Greens agree with Senator Lambie that more needs to be done. The goal should be zero instances of sexual assault, with a system of basic principles built around that.</para>
<para>Can I also say that the push for reform has come from some pretty extraordinary and brave veterans in this space. Julia Delaforce is someone I'm going to put front and centre in that. Julia has come forward and told her story. I couldn't do it justice. Read the book&#x2014;that's what I would say. You get a sense of just what a journey that was&#x2014;how hard it was inside Defence, how hard it was being recentred outside of Defence. Read Julia's book, because it tells the story. It explains to you why this bill from Senator Lambie is needed, and it explains to you how, as a whistleblower inside Defence, it was next to impossible. Going out to the Australian Human Rights Commission, working to overcome non-disclosure agreements, Julia faced barrier after barrier. Julia herself says that her experience is not unusual or novel and that so many other women have faced the same kinds of pressures.</para>
<para>Julia's submission to the committee where we looked at this bill said removing investigations from the chain of command is absolutely essential. That's what this commission does. That's probably the single most important point of this commission. It picks up that No. 1 recommendation and support from Julia and it picks up what came out of the royal commission&#x2014;removing these investigations from the chain of command. That's what the independent commission does. Clear provisions against whistleblower retaliation is also something that Julia put in her submission. Again, it's what this bill does. It puts it in place in black and white.</para>
<para>I think we're not coming to a vote on this today. What I hope happens, as this goes over into the November break, is that the government sits down and engages with Senator Lambie. Our door is always open in this space to engage on positive reform, to help the culture in the ADF, to keep women safe in the ADF&#x2014;to move it to that goal of zero sexual assault in the ADF. Again, Minister Keogh has come in for a bit of a bashing in the last few months, and some of that is entirely appropriate, given what happened to veterans' medical entitlements and medical support payments. I'm glad that that issue has been put back in a box, at least for now, but I'm going to give credit where it's due. He's been working on these royal commission recommendations, seeking to implement them, and I'm quite certain that that has been in the face of institutional resistance from the ADF. There's something about gold braid that doesn't like being questioned. Let's collectively work together to make this real, to implement the recommendations of the royal commission and to get to that goal.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLLINS</name>
    <name.id>297964</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It's a really important day. It's a really important day for our serving personnel and for our veterans, but also for Senator Lambie. The bill before us is a culmination of many, many, many years of work, advocacy, dedication and commitment not only to your country, to military personnel and to veterans but to the people that have come to you and entrusted you with that fight and with that advocacy. I'm sure in many instances they have shared with you stories that they have shared with no other person, and that's an incredible. It's an incredible thing to place on a person. And they chose the right person. And so thank you for taking that fight for all those people. I know that your inbox would have been absolutely flooded all the time for many, many, many years. You can't help everybody, but you can come forward with a bill like this. Thank you for doing that on behalf of all of them. I'm sure they thank you as well.</para>
<para>We in the coalition support this bill, and we are not the only party that supports it. That is an absolute testament to the importance of what you're doing here, establishing independence in the military justice system to ensure that we can protect the people who put their lives on the line to protect us. I can't tell you how many times I've heard this week that, the day you enlist, you tick a box for unlimited liability. But they don't say, when you tick that box, that that includes this kind of violence and trauma inflicted upon you by the people that you stand next to. It certainly shouldn't be that way, and so we have to do everything we can.</para>
<para>Of course, we established the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide. It's important to be able to respond to that in as many ways as we can, and this is an important part of that. We heard through the inquiry from witnesses that came out in full support of this, which is again testament to the importance of this bill. Their evidence made very, very clear that we cannot accept a system in which the people that sign up to serve our country in the way that they do are left feeling unable to report sexual violence or seek the support that they need.</para>
<para>There is an urgent need for change, but I want to take the opportunity also to thank the people inside the system that are serving, that are doing the right thing and that are helping the people around them when reports of sexual violence come to them, including the military police that we have that are doing a great job in helping the people around them. But there is an urgent need for change. There is a need for accountability and a need for a system that personnel can inherently trust. This place has an obligation to our service personnel. As I said, their job is to protect us, and so we should be in here protecting them.</para>
<para>The centre of this bill is the creation of an independent sexual assault prevention, intervention and response commission within the Defence Act 1903, and that would be led by an independent commissioner supported by at least one deputy commissioner and staff that would oversee a Defence-wide framework covering prevention, education, reporting, victim-survivor support, evidence collection, investigations, legal assistance and measures to prevent retaliation and reprisal. I just want to focus on that. That prevention part is, I think, an important element of this.</para>
<para>We want to have a defence force that men and women are willing to enlist in. There is an overwhelming sense that people are being discouraged from doing that because of the violence against women and men in our defence force. We've got to remember that it is not just the women that have been through this; it is men as well. So, for the future of the security of our nation, this is a change that needs to happen now. I certainly hope that the government listens to the calls from everybody on this side of the chamber to make that change.</para>
<para>The commission has to lead to a safe workplace. It has to lead to practical improvements. It needs to have the resources, the expertise and the independence to carry out these responsibilities. It has to be clearly coordinated with the existing defence services, the investigative authorities and the Defence and Veterans' Service Commission. The point of all of that is that the personnel that need the assistance need clearer pathways. And the support needs to be timely. The coalition does support this bill. We've seen the committee's findings, which are supportive, and we will always consider supporting sensible amendments to improve the protection of privacy and the strengthening of accountability.</para>
<para>There has been a culture of secrecy and closing ranks to protect offenders and not victims. This is such a huge part of the problem and has to be rooted out. Those in positions of power should not be enabled to hide from scrutiny, and entrenched conflicts of interest must be disbanded. This bill goes to the heart of that. The framework combines strong protections for victim-survivors with procedural fairness and the presumption of innocence. Commanders would be required to put appropriate interim arrangements in place to protect victim-survivors from contact with alleged perpetrators; those arrangements will not constitute a finding of guilt.</para>
<para>There are also protections for alleged perpetrators, including monitoring their wellbeing and preserving their rights while allegations are investigated, because, to have a credible system, you've got to protect the people who come forward and ensure that everything is investigated fairly and thoroughly.</para>
<para>The bill also puts clear responsibilities on Defence leadership to prevent sexual violence and to respond appropriately to allegations and people who report misconduct. These responsibilities extend across senior Defence leadership, commanders and relevant statutory office holders. Everybody is responsible for this. Personnel would be prohibited from retaliating against people who provide information concerning alleged sexual assault, from knowingly making false accusations or from condoning or ignoring sexual assault. Prevention and cultural change must be responsibilities shared throughout the chain of command, not simply functions of a new commission. Ultimately, protecting defence personnel strengthens the ADF itself. On that basis, amongst others, we remain highly supportive of this bill in the coalition. A safe workplace, trusted leadership and confidence in systems for addressing serious misconduct are essential to morale, cohesion and operational readiness.</para>
<para>I want to finish by saying that the commission has to be properly resourced, genuinely independent and clearly coordinated with existing defence services, investigative authorities and the Defence and Veterans' Service Commission. I want to make three acknowledgements. I want to thank all of our service personnel past and present for ticking that box to unlimited liability. I want to thank all the people who have reached out to Senator Lambie and to me. I know that a lot of people have reached out to me. I do my very best to get back to you all&#x2014;my apologies if I haven't got back to you yet. Finally, I want to thank you, again, Senator Lambie, for the work that you've put into this bill, for putting this at the centre of debate and for bringing us all together here in this chamber to support you in the work that you do.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>283585</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Before I call Senator Green, with the indulgence of my colleagues here, I'd like to add my thanks to you, Senator Lambie, for your enduring commitment to this issue and for bringing this important bill before the Senate. That's from a personal position.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GREEN</name>
    <name.id>259819</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It's not surprising that every speech following Senator Lambie's has started with an acknowledgement of her work, thanking her for bringing this legislation forward and for the work that she does. That really goes without saying. But I think that all of us who know Jacqui well enough will probably hear her voice in our heads saying, 'Stop thanking me and get on with it, get on with doing the work.' That's why we acknowledge you, Senator Lambie. You are bringing this forward not for your own personal gain but to assist people and to bring about institutional reform that is long overdue and required on behalf of people who don't have a voice in this chamber. I want to thank you for raising those voices, for having those voices be heard and for making sure that we act on those voices. That is the most important thing that this Senate can do.</para>
<para>What the royal commission found was a systematic issue in Defence, which we know is historical but can be and will be ended by the actions of this parliament through reform. The government acknowledges the profound and enduring impact that military sexual violence can have on ADF members, veterans and their families. I'm sure that everyone who is familiar with this topic would be aware of those really harrowing stories of victims, people we know in our own lives, who've come forward to tell us how difficult their lives were after they did what they thought was the right thing and actually reported the incident. They were seeking justice and they were seeking safety at a very basic level. Instead, they became victims twice over. That is not acceptable. Sexual violence has no place in Defence, and the government remains committed to preventing harm, supporting victim-survivors and ensuring that perpetrators are held to account.</para>
<para>I first acknowledge and thank you, Senator Lambie, for the contribution you made this morning and for the indication and the advice that you've given the government that you are willing to work with us on this. I know the minister is very grateful for that. We know that you will keep him on his toes, and he expects that as well, but we know that there is a little bit more work to do around getting this right and making sure that when we do have a system that is in place it serves the purposes that we all desire: that victims are not retraumatised and that they are able to access that justice.</para>
<para>There has been some commentary this morning around some of the work that the government is doing, and I thank colleagues who have acknowledged the good work that the Minister for Veterans' Affairs is doing to progress the recommendations of the royal commission. It is incredibly important and the main focus of the minister, or the dogged determination that he has, is to ensure that all the recommendations of the royal commission are delivered. That includes the work around sexual violence. We are working constructively with Senator Lambie to explore solutions that support the government's broader reform agenda in regard to the response to military sexual violence, and this work will build on significant reforms already under way. The government notes recommendations to Defence to consider evidence and issues raised through inquiry to inform its reform agenda and to address sexual violence in the Australian Defence Force.</para>
<para>I acknowledge the work of the Senate inquiry into this bill, and the ongoing work of the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Legislation Committee in prosecuting these issues and holding Defence to account. I've been a member of that committee, and it is a very important role that the Senate plays to hold Defence accountable. I'm sure that that will continue. There was a very constructive and collaborative approach to this particular inquiry into this particular bill, with some advice and recommendations coming out of it that we are considering and that we will look at as a way of strengthening some of the work that's happening, improving the current legislation in front of us, and meeting the goals of both the government and Senator Lambie to ensure that this work continues, that it is delivered, and that ADF personnel have an environment where they can be confident that if they are the victims of sexual violence they will be heard and listened to and protected.</para>
<para>I need to make it clear that all Defence personnel have a right to be respected and deserve to have a safe and positive workplace experience in the ADF. Those individuals that have found to be engaged in sexual offences can presume to no longer have a job in the ADF. That is something that we should say emphatically in this place, and we should be holding Defence to that very high standard. Defence has implemented strong legal and policy amendments following the royal commission, and there is more work that the government is doing. In particular, the inquiry that was referred to in previous contributions, which the government is working closely with others on, is about making sure that we can improve outcomes for victim-survivors.</para>
<para>The independent inquiry into military sexual violence in the Australian Defence Force, which will be conducted by the deputy commissioner, is afoot at the moment. The inquiry will identify gaps and opportunities to make recommendations to improve workplace protections for victim-survivors of military sexual violence and ensure perpetrators are held to account, while advancing a victim-survivor-centric approach in applying these principles. I take on board the criticism or the concerns that Senator Lambie and, I'm sure, members of the Defence community have about that inquiry, and I can reassure Senator Lambie that those issues she has raised today will certainly be taken note of. I think we can all agree that the guiding principles of any type of inquiry like this should be, firstly, that women shouldn't have to retell their stories. We've had a lot of inquiries and a lot of occasions where women have had to tell their stories over and over again, and we want to make sure that there is no retraumatisation through this inquiry. One of the things that have been noted is the amount of investigation and inquiry into this type of conduct that there has been, I think, going back to 2013. So I think a guiding principle for that inquiry should be that the previous recommendations and work of other inquiries are really the starting point of that work. We don't need another inquiry to start from scratch. What we need is a pathway forward to deliver on this work, and we need to make sure that, when the inquiry has finished its work, the recommendations that are delivered to government are implemented. That is what the minister is working towards in collaboration with other senators, particularly Senator Lambie.</para>
<para>We know that there's more work to do to eliminate sexual violence, and we welcome all opportunities to consider how best to respond to this critically. It is really important to recognise the work that the minister has been doing in implementing the reforms of the royal commission, and I do want to just put those on the record, because I know there are people who are listening who are victim-survivors themselves and who would be wanting to know that there is work underway. The implementations that have been progressed already include legislation being passed to enhance the military justice system. That includes a provision enabling commanders to suspend members who are under investigation by civilian police; mandatory consideration of rank disparity as an aggravating factor in sentencing; making specific provisions for victim impact statements for victims of sexual offending; work around removal orders and specific protections for sexual violence victims during superior tribunal proceedings; provisions for applications for protection of evidence procedures for victims during sexual offence proceedings; and procedures relating to giving victim impact statements during superior tribunal proceedings.</para>
<para>The act introduces a new disciplinary infringement, contravention and service offence of harassment, something that hasn't been in place before. Of course, we acknowledge that statistically women are predominantly the victims of sexual violence, not just in the Defence Force but in our society, but we do recognise the harassment and sexual violence towards some men in the military as well, and this new service offence of harassment is very important to protect those people.</para>
<para>We've also passed the Defence Legislation Amendment (RCDVS Implementation and Related Measures No. 2) Act 2026 to preclude people imprisoned for sexual offences from serving in the ADF and automatically end the service of any ADF member who is sentenced to a period of imprisonment by an Australian court. This includes imprisonment for sexual violence related offences but also applies to any other offence that results in a custodial sentence, including suspended sentences. We've updated Defence regulations to make it mandatory for Defence to issue involuntary separation notices to ADF members who've been found to engage in sexual violence, and of course this work continues. We are updating the Respect@Work guidance, introducing mandatory sexual prevention training for ADF personnel, and updating guidance for managers and commanders for preventing and responding to sexual violence through complaints and alternative resolutions.</para>
<para>Of course, as I've said at the beginning, there is more work to do, and it is very gracious of you, Senator Lambie, to offer to continue to work with the government, especially given that I think there is a majority of support for this bill around the table. But I think we can agree that getting this right the first time is the most important thing to do. We know how important it is to get this done as soon as possible but also to make sure that, when it is delivered, it is meaningful and we don't just have reform for the sake of reform, a press release for the sake of a press release or another opportunity for people to consider legislative reform. We need to make sure that it is meaningful.</para>
<para>I just finish with this. I am conscious that we won't go to a vote today, but I do want to say, on a personal note: Senator Lambie, thank you for the work that you've done. There are many people who are supporting the minister and ensuring he delivers on this work, and he is committed to doing that. You have a lot of support around the chamber from both sides&#x2014;and I acknowledge the work of Senator Collins&#x2014;particularly on this. This is when the Senate is at its best: when we get things done, as I said at the beginning. I'm sure that all the thanks that are directed your way are very nice but that you would prefer if we were to actually deliver on these reforms.</para>
<para>Women should be believed. Victims should be believed. But that is not enough. It won't surprise you to hear that I've been a victim of sexual assault myself. I've sat in a police station where they've said, 'We believe you, but we don't think there's anything that we can do to help you get justice for this action.' So many women experience that. That's because we tell women to come forward, we tell women that this is wrong and we tell women that there is help available. But, when they get to the point where the system doesn't work for them, it actually makes the situation worse. I've done a lot of work on consent law in this place and improving justice for women in the justice system. I will continue to do that with you. I don't think that it is acceptable in this day and age, after all the inquiries and all the evidence that's come forward, for us to say to any woman in the Defence Force, 'Thank you for your service, but the system failed you.' We commit that to you. Senator Lambie. I thank you, and I thank the Senate.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
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        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>10</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Cybersafety Legislation</title>
          <page.no>10</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>10</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I indicate that, whilst Minister Farrell would ordinarily represent the Minister for Communications in this place, Minister Farrell is otherwise engaged in ministerial business, and I am attending in his place. I thank the chamber for their understanding.</para>
<para>I would first note that in his letter to the Chair of the Environment and Communications Legislation Committee Mr Jim Betts, the Secretary of the Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development, Communications and the Arts, expressed that the department and its officials take their obligations as public servants and to the parliament very seriously. That correspondence explains that at the 14 August 2026 committee hearing, department officials provided evidence consistent with their understanding at the time, informed by advice from the authors of the <inline font-style="italic">Age </inline><inline font-style="italic">assurance technology trial</inline> report, Age Check Certification Scheme, ACCS, in the days prior. I reiterate today the secretary's assertions that department officials made representations to the committee based on information available at the time that was honestly and reasonably held, following assertions made by the ACCS. Following the hearing, the department conducted a detailed review of the concerns and has since published a corrigendum from the ACCS correcting the reference errors.</para>
<para>I would, however, make clear that the identified reference errors do not materially affect the substance of the report and do not undermine the credibility of the report's conclusions. They are isolated to section D.16, which discusses potential future age-estimation techniques that remain in early stages of development. None of these potential techniques were tested as part of the trial, and the commentary in this section is speculative. Further to this, the reference errors have no bearing on the eSafety Commissioner's social media minimum age regulatory guidance. The guidance directly references findings from the report on 12 occasions, none of which refer to part D section D.16.</para>
<para>I would also note that the minister's team has offered to brief Senator Payman on the relevant material. I understand that that offer has not been taken up at this point. It may be helpful to the Senate if these matters were able to be dealt with efficiently and effectively outside the chamber.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the explanation.</para></quote>
<para>When you make a mistake, you should own up to it. In August, officials from the Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development, Communications, Sport and the Arts told the Senate Environment and Communications Legislation Committee that certain broken links in the <inline font-style="italic">A</inline><inline font-style="italic">ge</inline><inline font-style="italic">assurance </inline><inline font-style="italic">t</inline><inline font-style="italic">echnology trial</inline> report were not broken at the time the report was handed over. This evidence, the department said, was based on evidence from the company behind the report, the UK-based Age Check Certification Scheme. It was later revealed that ACCS had lied to the <inline font-style="italic">Guardian</inline> Australia and Australian age-check provider KJR by claiming that AI had not been used in the preparation of the report when, in fact, it had. When asked whether the department had verified that the links had only become broken after the report was presented, an official grumbled, 'It's very difficult to go back and check what may have been replaced a year ago.'</para>
<para>Now, I'm not normally one to put on the tinfoil hijab, but there was something off about all this. So I took on this 'difficult task' and investigated the department's claim. Using a digital library of archived webpages, I was able to confirm that these links pointed to the wrong papers when they were supposedly accessed and when the report was handed to government. Dr Reuben Kirkham, a former computer science academic, told the committee that the existence of this archival evidence 'puts the position beyond any real doubt'.</para>
<para>I noted in a dissenting report that, on evidence I had seen, ACCS had misled the department and that, based on this misleading advice, the department had misled the committee. I do not believe that the department set out to mislead the committee, but I did describe the failure of the department to verify ACCS's claim as a serious dereliction of duty and recommended that the department review the incident to determine whether a breach of the APS Code of Conduct had occurred. Not only was I able to disprove the department's claim but I was able to do it so very easily. Aren't these guys supposed to be the experts? I understand that these are very serious allegations, and I do not make them lightly.</para>
<para>In response, the secretary of the department wrote to the chair of the committee about this issue. The secretary wrote:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I do not accept the conclusion that officials are failing in their duties if they give evidence to a committee based on advice provided to them that, at face value, can be accepted as accurate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The representations made by officials were based on information available to them at the time and were honestly and reasonably held.</para></quote>
<para>There was not one word contesting what I had said, but nor was there one word taking accountability for providing misleading evidence to a committee of the Senate. There was no acknowledgement that these officials had provided false evidence based on advice from ACCS, who have lied to multiple parties, including the government, about this report. It doesn't seem like ACCS will be penalised for this, which sends an unacceptable message: you can win contracts paid by the taxpayer, deliver shoddy work, lie to the government about it and get away with it. There won't even be a departmental investigation. It just isn't good enough. It's inevitable that the department's evidence will be revealed to be, without a doubt, incorrect. Despite this, the department has yet to acknowledge its misleading evidence, let alone apologise to the committee. Even the liars at ACCS have come out and apologised for what they now describe as 'outdated or incorrect links'. This saga of obfuscation will be for nothing.</para>
<para>When I brought to the attention of the Commonwealth Grants Commission that it appeared to have provided misleading evidence to the Economics Legislation Committee during estimates, it was quick to not only clarify what its evidence should have been but apologise for the error. This is the gold standard for APS accountability. Meanwhile, the department has provided incomplete responses to questions on notice and dragged out FOI timelines. It has failed to take accountability for the mistakes it has made. Years from now, these actions will make for an unseemly tale of resistance to scrutiny.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This motion is necessitated by the Minister representing the Minister for Communications failing to comply with order for the production of documents No. 711, which was agreed on 15 September 2026. This OPD was following up on an answer to a question taken on notice as part of the environment and communication committee's inquiry into the Online Safety Amendment (Strengthening Enforcement for the Social Media Minimum Age) Bill 2026. I think the concern that Senator Payman brought to the Senate this morning is that, when there is misleading evidence given to our committee, we expect that evidence to be corrected. We saw that, of course, with Australia Post misleading our committee in relation to its secret report for Post Office closures. When in budget estimates we were asking about Australia Post plans, we were actively misled by the managing director and CEO of Australia Post, Mr Graham. In a subsequent hearing during the Australia Post references inquiry into the retail network, we again were misled, and that has now been corrected by Mr Graham when he talked about the fact that, essentially, the board in May did not agree to any sort of trial. which was contradicted by his general counsel.</para>
<para>On this committee we are sick to death of not being given transparent answers, and that's the subject of this motion this morning. I think it would have been really appropriate for the secretary, when the secretary wrote to the committee to make it very clear that they were concerned about the fact that the committee was misled in relation to these broken links to the age assurance technology trial report, to simply say, 'Yes, we accept that we did not provide the correct evidence, and we apologise.'</para>
<para>But I have to say this is small fry. When you look at how this government has misled Australians, the biggest offender is, of course, the Prime Minister. This Prime Minister continues to lie to the Australian people over and over again.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Resume your seat. Minister?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McAllister</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The standing orders prohibit reflections on a person in the other place as Senator Henderson has just done.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, that's a good point. Thank you, Minister. Senator Henderson, I will get you to reword or withdraw to assist the Senate.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's not a reflection on the Prime Minister, but I will say that Australians are&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>No, Senator Henderson. The point has been raised. You did use the word that many times in this chamber&#x2014;many times I've been sitting in this chair and a couple of times I've even been pulled up. So I'll get you to withdraw that word and choose your words.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will withdraw the word beginning with 'L' so there's no confusion and I will say that Australians are sick of not being told the truth by this Prime Minister. In relation to the social media ban, which has been an utter failure under the leadership of Minister Anika Wells, the Prime Minister continues to tell all Australians that more than five million&#x2014;maybe up to six million&#x2014;under-16 social media accounts have been closed, discontinued, deactivated or all the other words that they've been using. In fact, that is a complete and utter untruth. We know that, of those accounts, approximately half&#x2014;we're talking about millions&#x2014;relate to Google's Gmail accounts, which have got nothing to do with the social media ban. When it comes to truth before this committee&#x2014;and we're about to go into estimates again&#x2014;I demand that this government and the minister, starting with the Prime Minister, start to tell the truth about the under-16 social media ban.</para>
<para>And while we're at it, on the hopelessly and deeply flawed proposed digital duty of care exposure draft, I am shocked and we are shocked that the government and the minister are proposing to remove the mandatory codes and standards which require digital platforms to detect and remove unlawful material and age restricted material&#x2014;material like child sexual exploitation, terrorism, violence and other unlawful materials. There are 17 codes and standards that have been worked on over a number of years to provide very clear, prescriptive obligations on digital platforms and other online service providers. Now, in an absolute shock&#x2014;which of course would dramatically reduce the safety of Australians online if ever this were to be passed&#x2014;these codes and standards have been removed from the exposure draft. That shows that not only is this government not capable of telling the truth; this minister is not capable of doing her job.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Major and Local Community Infrastructure Program</title>
          <page.no>12</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>12</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I note that this issue has been dealt with extensively in question time and that the orders Senator McKenzie is referring to have been responded to. As the response to the order set out, the order refers to commitments made in the 2025 election. Australians elected us on the promise of delivering our commitments, and we are delivering with proper process. The government is delivering 2025 election commitments through a one-off, closed, non-competitive, grants program known as the Major and Local Community Infrastructure Program. This approach follows the Commonwealth Grants Rules and Principles, which were updated to take account of the recommendations of the Joint Committee on Public Accounts and Audit inquiry into Commonwealth grants administration. The Commonwealth grants guidelines explicitly allow closed, non-competitive, grant processes and assert that better-practice non-competitive grants should name eligible applicants and provide information on how eligibility is determined.</para>
<para>Program guidelines for the MLCIP, which have been publicly available for over a year, make clear who can apply for funding and the eligibility and assessment criteria they must meet to successfully receive funding. The guidelines clearly state that applications which do not meet these benchmarks will not be considered value for money and will not be awarded funding. Ministers also do not make decisions on applications in their electorate. These decisions are made by an alternative minister.</para>
<para>I would reiterate that this attendance motion relates to orders for the production of documents that have been responded to. OPD 680 was responded to within hours of when it was due. OPD 679 was responded to within the day. Both were provided before consideration of the compliance motion.</para>
<para>It's astonishing, though, that Senator McKenzie has ordered a half-hour debate in relation to the administration of a grants program&#x2014;Senator McKenzie, who is perhaps best known for her administration of a certain grants program under the former coalition government. We all remember sports rorts. We all remember the colour-coded spreadsheets. And we remember which minister was making the decisions at the time. In the wake of those controversies, the ANAO and the Auditor-General could not have been clearer in their advice. As the Auditor-General said in 2023, when it comes to election commitments, you still need to have a grants program; you still need guidelines, assessment processes and all those things that are requirements on the bureaucracy and on decision-makers to go through, in getting an appropriate decision made. The expectation under the rules is that you set up a program, set up a program objective, set the criteria and the guidelines for the program, and then you undertake actions under those things. This is precisely what we have done. The program Senator McKenzie oversaw did not meet that test; it was found to fall far short of the expectations of the ANAO and of the public.</para>
<para>We publicly made election commitments, we took them to an election and now we are fulfilling them, as the Australian public expect. We have gone about delivering them in a transparent way, in a way that follows the Commonwealth Grants Rules and Principles, with public program guidelines, including eligibility and assessment criteria. Senator McKenzie might not like it, but this is the way you deliver election commitments appropriately.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the explanation.</para></quote>
<para>I'd like to take note of the appalling response by Minister McCarthy on behalf of ministers King and McBain. If you listen to Minister McCarthy, you'd think there was nothing to see here. The Labor Party has a lot to hide when their first response is to deflect an attack. It's an old strategy&#x2014;for those young students of political science upstairs. It's an old strategy. It's an effective strategy. But, as I would remind Minister McCarthy, it wasn't me that ordered the Senate debate this topic for half an hour; it is the Australian Senate that is so appalled with this government program and the appalling process of decision-making by the Prime Minister, by Catherine King, by Minister McBain and by others around the cabinet table that it has ordered a Senate inquiry into this program.</para>
<para>It is not just the Liberals the National Party and the crossbench that are appalled with the government's process when it comes to handing out grants and hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayers' money to projects that went through no formal assessment and no departmental oversight before the election commitment was made. That is why we're going through the process of wanting to understand who made the decision, how it was made and how hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayers' money was spent in government electorates. Minister McCarthy likes to make a big deal about colour-coded spreadsheets&#x2014;well, at least that program had colours, plural, on it. The Labor Party has only one colour on its spreadsheet and that's red. That's why the money went to Labor seats. The money was decided by Labor ministers, and that is why the Australian Senate&#x2014;crossbench and opposition together&#x2014;is so concerned. I look forward to next week's Senate inquiry.</para>
<para>Minister McCarthy, the notice of motion that the Senate passed was to Minister King and Minister McBain about the process undertaken in their own electorate offices. What documents did they hold? What conversations had those two ministers had with the local successful 'applicants' to this grant program, where the guidelines weren't even written before the announcements were made? What conversations did Catherine King have with the Ballarat Showgrounds' new event and exhibition centre&#x2014;$1.5 million; the Don Wallace Reserve upgrades, which was given $1.5 million; or Hepburn Shire's community soccer upgrades of $1.2 million. Another program in Ballarat got half a million dollars. The Senate asked the minister what meetings she had with those proponents prior to this election commitment being made, and do you know what the Senate got back when they asked this minister? 'I was not the decision-maker.' We know that, ma'am; we were actually asking what documents you had and where those documents went in the Labor Party's internal processes.</para>
<para>Similarly, Minister McBain got more $26 million under this program, 18 per cent of the entire money available. What did Minister McBain say when asked about what conversations and documents she had from the local winners of her programs? Do you know what she said? To the Senate, she said, 'I was not the decision maker,' but to ACT ABC radio, when Solly asked: 'OK, what was your role in it, Kristy McBain? Did you nominate projects that should be invited to apply? How does it happen?' Minister McBain said: 'Obviously, my job as a local member is to understand what's happening. I work with a range of local community groups and councils, and then I put them forward as potential projects for election commitments.' She is not an innocent bystander. These were local MPs who met with these community groups, and somehow, somewhere, passed these documents on to the decision-maker&#x2014;and we are yet to understand how that process worked. So, hey, we're all up for transparency. That's why the Australian Senate has asked you to come clean. And we're sick&#x2014; <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The government, of course, opposes what Senator McKenzie is trying to achieve here today.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Australians elected us on the promise of delivering our commitments, and we're delivering with proper process. I'll come to the comparison between what the Albanese government has done, compared to certain other grant programs that we've seen administered by previous governments, shortly. But I'll just put on the record the way this government has managed this process, and let's remember that this is about&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKenzie was heard in silence, Acting Deputy President. It'd be appreciated if she could treat other senators with the same respect.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, she clearly can't.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Watt&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Are you defensive about something, Senator McKenzie? Is it sports rorts you're defensive about? Is that why you can't shut up when other people are speaking?</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, resume your seat.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>No, just wait, Senator. Previous speakers were heard in silence, as you were heard in silence, Senator McKenzie, and as were previous speakers. If we could just lower the tone and let the speakers get through. It's only five minutes each. Now, Senator McKenzie, did you have a point of order, or have we passed that now?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKenzie</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>A point of order on the words that the minister used: I don't think yelling 'shut up' across at other senators is parliamentary.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKenzie, I'm sorry. I did not hear that. But there was a little bit of to and fro going on; both sides were trying to talk over each other. The minister has the call. There are only four minutes left. Let's see if we can get through it without a blue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It would be helpful if senators who were heard in silence could give the same level of respect to other senators when they're speaking.</para>
<para>What the Albanese government has done differently with this election commitment program&#x2014;an election commitment program that governments from time immemorial have delivered&#x2014;is to clearly follow the Commonwealth Grants Rules and Principles, which were updated to take account of the recommendations of the Joint Committee on Public Accounts and Audit inquiry into Commonwealth grants administration. The Commonwealth grants guidelines explicitly allow closed, non-competitive, grant processes and assert that better-practice non-competitive grants should name eligible applicants and provide information on how eligibility is determined. And that's exactly what was done with this grants program. In every possible way, the Albanese government, through this grants program, has not just closely followed but followed in every way the guidelines that have been issued for grants programs and that were updated to take into account recommendations from inquiries into previous grants rounds.</para>
<para>Speaking of previous grants rounds, the most puzzling aspect, I think, of the opposition's attack on the government over a number of weeks and today about this grants program is that it has been led by Senator McKenzie. I remember, when this story first blew up in the media, being incredibly surprised that, of all the people in this parliament, Senator McKenzie would be the person leading the charge for the opposition over this. We know that her motivation is to desperately continue to try to clear her name from not just her involvement but her leadership role in the biggest rort committed under the former coalition government. And that is really saying something, because we know that that government had a series of rorted programs, whether it be the car park program that old mate Josh Frydenberg, wannabe opposition leader, engineered, or various regional rorts that were committed, particularly led by the National Party. But, sitting on top of them, the biggest rorted program under the former coalition government was the one led by Senator McKenzie, better known as sports rorts.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Henderson, do you have a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Henderson</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes&#x2014;a point of order on a reflection on Senator McKenzie by Senator Watt. I would ask him to withdraw that grubby remark.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I think there's been a lot of media attention around what the minister is talking about. I don't see a disparity, but you can challenge my ruling, if you&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Henderson</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>To clarify&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Henderson, I was halfway through, but for the purpose of trying to get through this, I will give you call for a point of order&#x2014;not a debate but a point of order.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Henderson</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>To add to the concerns that I have raised&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Your point of order, Senator?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Henderson</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The point of order is on a reflection of Senator McKenzie. The Senate has previously ruled that that should not&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Henderson, I'm going to cut you off. I'm going to ask you to go back to your seat. The mic is turned off. I've already said&#x2014;and you are welcome to challenge it&#x2014;I will give the call back to the minister. He has one minute and 43 seconds left.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I don't know whether Senator Henderson heard Senator McKenzie's contribution, but, if you want to talk about reflections on people, have a look at the reflections made by your colleague in her entire contribution.</para>
<para>As I was saying, I am still really surprised that even today in the chamber, of all opposition senators, it's Senator McKenzie who's leading the charge on this matter. Any rational person, if they ran sports rorts, would want to pretend that that had never happened, but Senator McKenzie wants to keep bobbing up, reminding us that she was the person who led the sports rorts. She had to resign because of sports rorts, yet she has the hide to come in here and try to lecture our government about proper procedure when it comes to grants rounds, not having followed any of that procedure when she was the minister herself. I mean, the thing that Senator McKenzie is best known for in her entire contribution to parliament over her long career is sports rorts, and yet she wants to come in here, remind everyone about that, and then challenge us when we're the government that's following every single guideline&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, I'll get you to resume your seat, please. Senator Henderson?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Henderson</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I have a point of order on a reflection on Senator McKenzie. I've just sought some advice from the Clerk. The point of order is that it is not open to Minister Watts to infer that Senator McKenzie has been guilty of any sort of rort. That is a reflection on a senator, and it must be withdrawn.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You can take all the advice&#x2014;and I welcome you taking all that advice&#x2014;and I'll just sit here. I sat here and heard the previous contribution and the attacks on the minister and the Prime Minister, so maybe I should be spanked for not pulling up on that earlier. I'm going to give the call back to the minister. He has 37 seconds to go. As I said, please feel free to challenge it.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Who can forget the infamous colour coded spreadsheets that were prepared by Senator McKenzie's office in the sports rorts saga to clearly differentiate the treatment that Senator McKenzie, as the minister in that government, was dealing out between Labor, Liberal, National Party and other electorates. If you want more graphic evidence of the rorting of that program that was led by Senator McKenzie, let's go back to the spreadsheets.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Henderson?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Henderson</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On a point of order, Minister Watts continues to reflect inappropriately on Senator McKenzie, in breach of the standing orders. Again, I would ask if you could seek the advice of the Clerk. This is most improper. It's been ruled against previously. I would ask that you seek the advice of the Clerk, who's just advised me that this is in breach of the standing orders.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will give the call back to the minister. I have already stated my views on this, and I have said to you&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Don't get into a blue! I've sat through many debates in this chamber. This is a debate that's been going on for about six or seven years, I believe. There is no point of order. Minister, you have the call for 10 seconds if you want to finish.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>In conclusion, the irony of Senator McKenzie, of all people, demanding that ministers come and attend, and explain processes that were complete with guidelines&#x2014; <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Opposition senators</name>
  </talker>
  <para>Opposition senators interjecting&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! I was just telling the minister his time has expired. I don't need the peanut gallery screaming at me&#x2014;I'll withdraw that. You're really starting to push now. Let's leave it.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCARR</name>
    <name.id>282997</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>For her time in this place, Senator McKenzie will be known, more than anything, as a fearless advocate for rural and regional Australia and for people in rural and regional Australia to get their fair share, given all the disadvantages they face. That's what she'll be known for. I also admired, during my first term in this place, that Senator McKenzie took a very honourable course when she fell afoul of a very technical breach and did the right thing. I think ministers on the other side could heed that example.</para>
<para>I want to explain to people what we're talking about here because people watching this debate might not be aware of what we're talking about. When the government refers to 'closed non-competitive grant programs'&#x2014;that's the phrase they use&#x2014;what they're talking about is a grant that is open but that has only one possible applicant; there's only one person who can actually receive the grant money&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Kovacic</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Predetermined outcome.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCARR</name>
    <name.id>282997</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>A predetermined outcome, exactly. It's closed and it's non-competitive, so it's already predetermined who's going to get the money. It's an absolute farce. The issue we have&#x2014;and the issue all Australians should have&#x2014;is that a disproportionate number of these grants go to Labor electorates. The money goes to Labor electorates overwhelmingly, and that is unfair to the Australians in those electorates that miss out. That is the fundamental issue. The fact is, out of 150 federal electorates in this country, 45 got nothing through this program&#x2014;not a dollar. Yet there were Labor-held electorates&#x2014;Braddon got 10 grants, worth $19.2 million. Shortland got 10 grants. Eden-Monaro got eight grants, worth $26.5 million.</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKenzie</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That's right. More than the entire sports grant program.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCARR</name>
    <name.id>282997</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Exactly, Senator McKenzie. That seat's held by the Minister for Regional Development, Local Government and Territories, who is responsible for the section of the department administering the program. Hunter got seven grants, worth $4.7 million. You've got all those Labor seats receiving these grants under this community infrastructure program, but you've got 45 seats&#x2014;nearly a third of Australia&#x2014;missing out. That's not fair. Those electorates and the people living in those electorates deserve a fair go. That's why the opposition and the crossbench&#x2014;it's not just the Liberal-National coalition; it's the crossbench as well&#x2014;are saying this is unfair to the millions of Australians living in those 45 federal electorates who missed out under this unfair scheme.</para>
<para>And it's not just us saying it. I want to quote the Centre for Public Integrity. This is an outstanding non-government organisation made up of people who are deeply concerned about integrity and transparency in government processes. This is what they say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Whatever view is taken of the political controversy surrounding the distribution of funding, the Centre's concern is a systemic one. More than half a billion dollars of public money was allocated through a closed, non-competitive process, without a publicly explained basis for why that process was used or how projects were selected. We will continue to ask the questions that matter: why was a closed process chosen; how were projects selected for invitation; and are the rules governing Commonwealth grants strong enough to ensure public money is allocated transparently &#x2026;</para></quote>
<para>That's the Centre for Public Integrity calling this out. It's not just the opposition. I come back to those millions of Australians in those 45 electorates who missed out when there were Labor seats that received 10 grants or eight grants under this program. It is unfair. That money, hundreds of millions of dollars, should be shared equitably across the whole of Australia for the most compelling projects and to meet the most compelling need. There should be fair and equitable distribution around Australia so every federal electorate and every Australian gets access, gets their fair share, so we don't have debates like this in the future.</para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHELDON</name>
    <name.id>168275</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Isn't this amazing? The culprits are once again trying to play the prosecutor. Instead of telling Australians how they would help them with housing, the cost of living or better wages, Senator McKenzie is more focused on talking about our election commitments that are delivering for local communities now.</para>
<para>Our commitments follow the Commonwealth Grants Rules and Principles. Our commitments follow the recommendation of the Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit, made up of MPs and senators from across the political spectrum, including members of Senator McKenzie's own side of politics. And, most importantly, our commitments were made to deliver for local communities, not sorted on a colour coded spreadsheet for personal and political gain. Senator McKenzie might be familiar with that process, because that was exactly what was happening in her office in the lead-up to the 2019 election. Nine out of the 10 electorates that received the most funding were marginal, targeted electorates based on a colour coded spreadsheet. Seventy-three per cent of the projects Senator McKenzie approved went against the recommendations of the Australian Sports Commission, then known as Sports Australia. It gets worse. The Senate inquiry into these rorts found more than 40 per cent of the projects that received funding were considered ineligible by the Audit Office. While all this was going on, Senator McKenzie even failed to disclose her own active membership of a gun club that received almost $36,000 from the very program she oversaw. This isn't the only time that Senator McKenzie failed to disclose information. Who could forget when, in 2024, she 'forgot' to disclose the 16 flight upgrades she received over nine years while pointing fingers at everybody else?</para>
<para>But Senator McKenzie isn't the only one on her side of politics with a habit of failing to disclose information. It's a recurring theme among the Liberals and the Nationals. In the lead-up to the 2025 election, several Liberal and National MPs were busy making election promises to organisations with which they had personal connections, connections they failed to declare. The member for Hume, the opposition leader, Angus Taylor, promised $200,000 to upgrade amenities at the 1st Appin Scout Group, where he held an honorary membership. This wasn't declared on his register of interests. The member for Bowman, Henry Pike, promised $1.1 million to the EGW Wood Sportfield, home of the Redlands Tigers, a club that listed him as a patron. This wasn't declared on his register of interests. The member for Herbert, Phillip Thompson, promised $232,000 to the Jubilee Bowls Club, where he also was listed as a patron. This wasn't declared on his register of interests. And the member for Moncrieff, Angie Bell, promised funding to the Surfers Paradise Rugby Union Club, which listed her as a patron on its website. Once again, this wasn't declared on her register of interests at the time. Maybe she was too busy throwing stones. Perhaps Senator McKenzie should spend a little less time pointing fingers across the chamber and a little more time asking questions of her own colleagues.</para>
<para>Let's be clear: her side have no problem with election commitments when they're making them. Let's go back to my home state of New South Wales. This included in 2025, the member for Cook, Simon Kennedy, when $2.7 million was promised for the election. This included $1.44 million to the Gymea Bay Baths; $674,000 for the North Field at Gwawley Park; $590,000 for pickleball courts in the Sutherland shire; and, for my duty seat of Lindsay, Liberal member Melissa McIntosh made election promises totalling at least $18 million. In fact, the Liberals and Nationals made $1.6 billion worth of election promises. They had no problem making $1.6 billion worth of election promises whilst asking Australians for their votes. Their only problem is with commitments that follow the proper rules and processes and that are actually delivering for local communities. So, before Senator McKenzie appoints herself prosecutor again, she might want to check with her own colleagues first. She'll find plenty of evidence there.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BRAGG</name>
    <name.id>256063</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I take the opportunity again in this chamber to remind the Australian people that the government is in charge of the expenditure of taxpayer funds. When the Australian people elect this government, they don't elect bureaucrats or people who work in offices in Canberra to make judgements for the community's benefit or, in some cases, against the community. The Australian people have hired this government, for better or worse, and they make the decisions on behalf of the Australian people. They decide where the money goes. And so the position of the government today in again obfuscating and covering up all the documents which belong to the people of Australia is another point in time where we see the government not willing to be honest, to act with integrity and to provide basic information. The idea that the government is hiding behind bureaucrats, which no-one elected, is actually offensive, because the position of a democracy is that you can elect or vote out a government based on the decision-makers who were elected at the last election. The position to make, to extend that, is that no-one has been elected in this country, the country is running on autopilot, and someone down in the back is making all the decisions about where all the money goes. We've got no documents and no papers, and it's a shambles. That's effectively their position. They are refusing to provide the basic information about how public funds were spent. They spend their time in response to this order smearing and undertaking a political attack to cover up the fact that they are too afraid to say who made the decision. Who made the decision to give the funding and the money? Who has administered these programs? This is basic accountability stuff.</para>
<para>But when we look at the evidence in terms of the government's responses to Senate orders, freedom of information requests and transparency requests, we see&#x2014;this is from the Centre for Public Integrity&#x2014;this is the worst government since the Keating government, as measured by their responses. This is a pattern of behaviour. This is not a particular, isolated incident where the government is refusing to come forward with the documents which were ordered by the Senate. They were ordered by the Senate so that the people can inspect how the decisions were made and how the money ended up in all these Labor electorates. We're talking in this case of half-a-billion bucks. It might sound like chicken feed to the government, when they're running endless deficits and debt. But this is a significant program of money here. It is endemic across this government, in terms of its responses to the proper legal orders of the Senate. It spends its time trying to destroy and undermine the attempts that others make, including former senator Patrick, to get to the bottom of a whole lot of things across this administration. Now they are seeking through the Attorney-General's Department to stop people actually appealing decisions made by the Australian Information Commissioner, which go to the AAT or go to the go to the courts. They're trying to put all the costs onto the punter to cover up their tracks. They are so desperate to never provide pieces of paper to the Australian people for inspection that they are now seeking to effectively put up a wall of money to ensure they don't ever get properly exposed to public glare.</para>
<para>In the cases of these golf courses, I think a lot of people in New South Wales will look at this Marrickville Golf Course&#x2014;$6 million to Mr Albanese, who says he never went to the golf course. Of course, he's been there 100 times. Meanwhile his Labor mates in New South Wales are destroying public golf courses. They destroyed the Moore Park golf course. They completely destroyed it. But, meanwhile, they're giving six million bucks for this Marrickville Golf Course across the road. They're only a few kilometres apart. In one case they're not doing housing. They're turning it into a park.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Ayres</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's more housing you don't like. You're a hypocrite.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BRAGG</name>
    <name.id>256063</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>They're not doing that. They're turning it into a park. Get your facts right. In one case they want to destroy a public golf course. They hate public golf&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Bragg, just resume your seat. I would encourage that senators be heard in silence. We've had a little bit of topsy-turvy stuff going around. We've just settled it down. The last thing we need for the last 47 seconds is to blow it all up again, if we can get through that.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BRAGG</name>
    <name.id>256063</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I would just like to know what the Labor Party's position is on public golf courses, because they have destroyed the Moore Park golf course, one of the most successful and visited public golf courses in New South Wales. But, meanwhile, they've given the Marrickville Golf Course six million bucks in a secret grant scheme that they want to cover up all the information about, pretending no-one made the judgements. Mr Albanese said he never went there and doesn't know anything about it, but there's a lot of video evidence to show that he's been there on many occasions and that, in fact, at some stages he has been&#x2014;maybe he even is now&#x2014;a member of that golf course. This is a government full of hypocrites, and it is a government that is prepared to cover up all pieces of paper and all decision-making. They are pretending that no-one made these decisions and that magically the money all found its way to Labor Party electorates without anyone ever doing anything.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I too join with my colleagues in saying that integrity in public office is not optional. This is taxpayers' money. This is not some pot of gold to be doled out by the Albanese government, and we demand these documents. Nearly half a billion dollars&#x2014;the slush fund of this government, doled out in a way in which many, many Australians were completely ignored.</para>
<para>Of course, when we have a prime minister who does not care about integrity, the rot starts from the top. I have called on the Prime Minister to stand down the Minister for Communications. When it comes to ministerial responsibilities in the expenditure of money, there is an extrahigh bar. We've seen this minister; she's already been found to have breached her parliamentary travel entitlements on four separate occasions. IPEA, the independent expenses watchdog, required her to repay more than $10,000, including a 25 per cent penalty. But there are continuing questions around Minister Wells's parliamentary expenses, as more evidence emerges of a trip she took to Adelaide to attend a birthday party of a good friend. The good friend's husband happens to be the South Australian Labor minister Chris Picton. In order to justify flying back to her home on the taxpayers' dime the following day, she stayed overnight and then claimed the full cost of this trip, nearly $4,000. But there is no evidence that any evening meeting at the birthday party ever took place. The evidence mounts that this minister has rorted her taxpayer entitlements.</para>
<para>This is a serious matter because, prima facie, this is a breach of the ministerial standards. Where is the integrity of this prime minister? Everyone knows. There was a so-called meeting with the office of Minister Farrell on the Saturday afternoon and then there was this so-called sideline meeting at the birthday party at around 7.45 that Saturday evening. It defies credibility that the minister was doing anything other than concocting meetings&#x2014;false meetings&#x2014;in order to justify staying overnight and flying back the next day using taxpayer dollars on her return business class airfare.</para>
<para>I uncovered the minister's lack of due diligence when it comes to expenditure of taxpayers' money when we discovered that she spent around $100,000 flying herself and two staff to New York with no regard for the incredible cost of these airfares&#x2014;no regard for the impact on the taxpayer. I just say that this is not the Labor Party's money; this is taxpayers' money. We are all required to follow the rules. Minister Wells could have stayed overnight and attended the birthday party after she concluded her parliamentary business by simply paying for her airfare between Adelaide and Brisbane the following day.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Sheldon, on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Sheldon</name>
    <name.id>168275</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm not sure if this goes to the subject matter of infrastructure and investments as per the motion.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Sheldon, I've only just entered the chair, but I will listen carefully to what Senator Henderson has to say.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm talking about the very important issue of integrity of government expenditure. One of the huge issues before the parliament right now is that this prime minister doesn't have the spine, doesn't have the courage, doesn't have the ticker, doesn't have the ability&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Ayres</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Rorter!</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ayres, you will withdraw.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Ayres</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Withdraw what?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You know what you said. You gestured towards an individual senator. Senator Ayres, you've been asked to withdraw.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Ayres</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I withdraw. That is a very high bar.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ayres, you know exactly what you said. Senator McAllister, on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McAllister</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It is about relevance. The Senate is debating a motion to take note of the answer provided by Minister McCarthy. The item listed as item 6 and the remarks made by Senator McCarthy are nowhere near the contribution being made by the senator at the moment.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will bring Senator Henderson back to the matter before the Chair. Senator Henderson, you have the call.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister McAllister, you're very slow out of the blocks. I've been speaking for nearly five minutes. And what I'm talking about is integrity of government expenditure.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Ayres</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>No-one's listening&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>And it's clear you're not listening&#x2014;I'll take the interjection.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Ayres</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>because you're unbelievable; you're not credible.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You're not listening to the Australian people, and they expect better from this hopeless, incompetent, lying government.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>19</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In commencing my remarks, I note that the government has dealt with this issue extensively, including through the debate that's just occurred in the Senate and through question time. The Prime Minister has dealt with these matters, and the order that this attendance relates to has been responded to.</para>
<para>The order refers to commitments made in the 2025 election. Of course, Australians elected us on the promise of delivering our commitments. We are delivering on those commitments with a proper process. The government is delivering on our 2025 election commitments&#x2014;commitments made publicly in the public eye by our candidates&#x2014;through a one-off, closed, non-competitive grant program known as the Major and Local Community Infrastructure Program. The approach this government takes follows the Commonwealth Grants Rules and Principles. It's very different to the approach taken by the previous government and the approach taken by Senator McKenzie. Those rules and principles were updated to take account of the recommendations of the Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit inquiry into Commonwealth grants administration.</para>
<para>The Commonwealth grants guidelines explicitly allow closed, non-competitive grant processes and assert that better practice non-competitive grants should name eligible applicants and provide information about how eligibility is determined. Program guidelines for the MLCIP, the Major and Local Community Infrastructure Program, have been publicly available for over a year, and they make clear who can apply for funding and the eligibility and assessment criteria they must meet successfully to receive funding. The guidelines clearly state that applications which do not meet these benchmarks will not be considered value for money and will not be awarded funding.</para>
<para>Ministers also do not make decisions on applications in their electorate. These decisions are made by an alternative minister. The Prime Minister was not the decision-maker for the grants referenced in the order. The subject matter of the order falls within the responsibility of the minister for infrastructure. Requests for documentation in relation to these grants would appropriately be directed to the department of infrastructure, and I note that a number of similar orders have been directed to the Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government. This includes order 670, moved by Senator Payman. The minister has tabled in her response the decision brief related to one of the grants, which are the subject of this order. I reiterate that the subject matter of the order falls within the responsibility of the minister for infrastructure, and requests for documentation would be appropriately directed to the department of infrastructure, as Senator Payman chose to do.</para>
<para>I note, as did Senator McCarthy, Senator Watt and Senator Sheldon, that it is surprising that Senator McKenzie seeks to insert herself so comprehensively into this debate. We do all remember the administration of grants under her leadership. We remember what Senator McKenzie did as a minister. As Senator McCarthy indicated, the ANAO and the Auditor-General could not have been clearer in their advice in the wake of those very significant controversies. The Auditor-General said that, when it comes to election commitments, you still need to have a grants program and you still need guidelines, assessment processes and all those things that are requirements for the bureaucracy and decision-makers to go through&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKenzie</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It was post decision.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>in getting an appropriate decision made. The expectation under the rules is that you set up a program, you set up a program objective, you set up the criteria and the guidelines for the program and then you undertake actions under those things. That's precisely what this government has done. The program that Senator McKenzie oversaw in no way met that test. It fell far short&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKenzie</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Public guidelines&#x2014;released before decisions made.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>of the expectations of the ANAO, and it fell far short of the expectations of the public.</para>
<para>This government made public election commitments. We made them transparently, and we have gone about delivering them in a transparent way. We've done it in a way that follows the Commonwealth Grants Rules and Principles with public program guidelines, including eligibility and assessment criteria. Senator McKenzie and others may not like it, but this is the way that you deliver election commitments appropriately. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Before I give you the call to you, Senator McKenzie, I will remind everyone&#x2014;obviously, temperatures are running slightly hot in the chamber&#x2014;of their obligations under standing order 193(3). I will remind everyone that Senator McAllister was largely heard in silence and I would hope that would continue. Senator McKenzie, you have the call.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the explanation.</para></quote>
<para>This attendance by the minister is to a notice of motion which the Senate supported that the Prime Minister's representative provide the Australian Senate with the correspondence, messages and records of conversations that the Prime Minister had as the local MP for Grayndler around and with the Marrickville Golf Club, the Leichhardt Women's Community Health Centre and the St Vincent de Paul Society in his electorate. These three organisations got 10&#xBD; million bucks out of this grant program, and the Senate would like to know&#x2014;not Senator Mckenzie; the Senate would like to know&#x2014;what conversations the Prime Minister had as the local MP with these organisations and how that information got fed into the decision-making of the government.</para>
<para>He could have actually said, 'I met with the Marrickville Golf Club a few times actually'&#x2014;Prime Minister, you're an absolute local down there; they've given you an honorary membership that you forgot about!&#x2014;and stated when, where and how he had these conversations and how these three proponents for this grants program got their names on the list, on the golden ticket, on the spreadsheet that only had red on it, showing only Labor seats&#x2014;88 per cent of this program went to Labor seats. Instead of telling the Australian Senate that he'd had some meetings, told these local groups what he wanted and fed that into Catherine King's process&#x2014;that it was all above board and followed the rules&#x2014;he sent the Senate a letter basically saying, 'The Prime Minister was not the decision-maker for the grants reference.' Well, of course they're not. There has been a lot of talk about why I'm pursuing this. Do you know why? Because I'm the shadow minister for Catherine King. It is my job in this place to do that. And we are doing that with a Senate inquiry going forward.</para>
<para>But it's not just the Australian Senate that has serious questions to ask of the Prime Minister about the Marrickville Golf Club, which he completely forgot that he walks Toto on of a morning and which stocks Albo Pale Ale in the bar. This is not an entity unknown to the Prime Minister, but he's obfuscating: 'Oh, I've never been there. I can't give the Senate details of when I met with them about their project that I gave them six million bucks for in the election.' He's chosen to hide.</para>
<para>Then you've got the bovver boys of the Labor Party, including Senator Watt&#x2014;and now, I'm sure, Senator Ayres will follow&#x2014;who come in and do what they do: rough-arm, belittle and denigrate. Oh, sorry&#x2014;Senator Sheldon, another bovver boy of the union movement. The three bruisers enter the Australian Senate and run amok. You know that they got it wrong when they couldn't leave it to Senator McAllister to handle this debate.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Sheldon, on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Sheldon</name>
    <name.id>168275</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Really, you should withdraw that language that was being used. Suggesting that people are involved in violence is inappropriate.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm going to take advice.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>No, Senator Ayres. I was taking advice. I did not hear what was said. It has been withdrawn, and I don't think we need to repeat it, Senator Ayres. On advice, given a senator has raised the issue, I will ask you, for the benefit of the chamber, to withdraw the earlier remark and then to continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I withdraw. Part of being a democrat and believing in democracy is actually upholding the institutions which underpin it, and sometimes that is tough to do. It is a lived practice. My concern with the Labor Party's approach, whether it be Minister McBain, whether it be Minister Catherine King or whether it be the Prime Minister himself, is the inability to uphold their own ministerial code of conduct. I'll read directly from it. The Prime Minister signed the front of this document. It says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">&#x2026; we will act in a manner that is consistent with the highest ethical standards &#x2026; I expect my Ministers to demonstrate that they are complying with these high standards &#x2026;</para></quote>
<para>Well, when you're not complying with the high standards of the Prime Minister's code of conduct, which goes directly, in part 3, to perceived conflicts of interest, then you have a response to that. Your response is to apologise, to make amends and, in certain cases, to resign your commission. But instead the union thuggery approach is to come out swinging, belittle your opponent, bury them and hope the issue goes away. Well, the Australian people are absolutely onto you, Labor. They are absolutely onto a prime minister who, from what he untruthfully told the Australian public, you'd think had never heard of the Marrickville Golf Club. Instead he finds, 'Oh, I actually was an honorary member for years.' It's time&#x2014; <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, hypocrisy, thy name is Senator McKenzie. This is hot hypocrisy that is so disconnected from the real world and real people and so large and unfathomable that it takes the oxygen out of the room.</para>
<para>The first basket of hypocrisy here, of course, is Senator McKenzie herself. Her own record in this area was described recently by a journalist with these words: 'the stench of corruption remains'. Yet she is in here with this kind of behaviour.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Through the chair, please, Senator Ayres.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes. Senator McKenzie is in here, on about this, as if her history never happened.</para>
<para>The second basket of hypocrisy here is that I have a folder here with a list of each of the election commitments made by the Liberals and Nationals, arranged in alphabetical order. I want to start with H. It's not Henderson. It's not arranged by the name of the person who made the commitment. It's arranged by the name of the electorate. Let's go to the commitments made by the member for Hume, Mr Taylor, in this round. There was $7&#xBD; million for the Macarthur Bulls Football Club Regional Football Facility and $5.8 million for the Leppington Oval precinct. I seem to remember the word 'Leppington' from the Morrison period. There was $4.52 million for the Camden sport and recreation package, $200,000 for Wayne Gardner Oval, $200,000 for the 1st Appin Scout Group and $85,000 for Wollondilly Community Leisure Centre upgrades. Never at any point did the member for Hume feel it was necessary, when he promised $200,000 to the 1st Appin Scout Group to upgrade amenities&#x2014;a group in which he holds an honorary membership. You know, 'dyb, dyb, dyb, dob, dob, dob'&#x2014;poor old Mr Taylor was mounting a slur campaign when he himself was all about $18.1 million worth of election commitments.</para>
<para>Let's start with B for Barker. Mr Pasin had $7.5 million for Mount Gambier and district saleyards transformation projects, half a million dollars for CCTV and lighting at Sturt Reserve, $400,000 for Murray Bridge Players and Singers redevelopment&#x2014;I bet we can see old Mr Pasin down there singing his heart out&#x2014;$220,000 for Mount Burr netball courts, $100,000 for Tailem Bend RSL renovations, $90,000 for the Penola Bowling Club redevelopment and $65,000 for the Kapunda Soldiers Memorial Gardens rejuvenation. That is a total of $8.9 million.</para>
<para>For Berowra, Mr Leeser had $3.725 million for the Campbell Park clubhouse upgrade and $1.85 million for the North Epping Oval clubhouse upgrade. We haven't even got out of the box past B and we're in the tens of millions of dollars of commitments.</para>
<para>This is hypocrisy that is so big. This is a disconnection from the things that really matter for real Australians. We have made election commitments. We have acquitted them 100 per cent. We have delivered those election commitments whether they are in Liberal seats or Nationals seats or One Nation seats or Greens seats or crossbench seats. We have made them across the country in a responsible way, we have been held accountable for them in an election where we were elected with a majority and we have discharged those commitments lawfully. And you know what Australians can be confident about: if a Labor candidate or a Labor MP or a Labor senator or the leader of the Labor Party or a Labor minister makes an election commitment, we will deliver it. We will deliver it lawfully. And that is a lot more than can be said for that moribund, corrupt rabble over there, who during the Morrison period's maladministration left a stench of corruption that will never go away.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Let's just talk about what this actually is about. This is about the transparency and accountability of a government that refuses to comply with orders of the Senate. This is the Labor Party doing the middle finger to the Senate. This is the Labor Party saying, to use a colloquial phrase, 'Up your bum' to the Senate in relation to the Senate's requirement that documents be provided. And this is a disgrace. It is a slur on the Australian people, who voted for this chamber, as the house of review, to hold the executive to account.</para>
<para>It's particularly interesting that the Labor Party is so touchy about this, because we all know that the Prime Minister has a house 200 metres from this golf club. The Prime Minister has selective amnesia. He's clearly forgotten about the house he owns, because he owns so many, and he's forgotten about his membership of the golf club, a golf club that he himself ensured was given millions of dollars. He failed to declare two things. One was his membership of the golf club, a membership that he's had for a number of years, and his involvement with the golf club, which he's had for a number of years. This golf club has held fundraisers for him. It's held functions for him. But he forgot all about that because he's got selective amnesia. He also forgot to mention, when it comes to the $6 million for this golf club, the proximity of a residential holding in his name. There's a clear conflict of interest in two regards.</para>
<para>I'll quote from the <inline font-style="italic">Code </inline><inline font-style="italic">of </inline><inline font-style="italic">c</inline><inline font-style="italic">onduct for ministers</inline>. It says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The <inline font-style="italic">Code of Conduct for Ministers</inline> sets out, in clear terms, the expectations the Albanese Government has of all its ministers.</para></quote>
<para>But apparently this code of conduct does not apply to the Prime Minister. I read from 3.2:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Ministers are personally responsible for the management and declaration of their private interests, the identification and declaration of any current or potential conflicts of interest &#x2026;</para></quote>
<para>Item 3.3 says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Ministers must declare and register their personal interests &#x2026;</para></quote>
<para>A $6 million grant has gone to a golf club, and the Prime Minister is the ultimate decision-maker here. He's gone around and said, 'I'm not the decision-maker,' but we've got Catherine King saying, 'I'm not the decision-maker,' and we've got the minister for regional development saying, 'I am not the decision-maker.' So who actually is the decision-maker? How does $6 million miraculously end up in the savings account of the Marrickville golf club? It's because the Prime Minister is the one who made the decision for this money&#x2014;$6 million, by the way, of taxpayers' money&#x2014;to go to a golf club that apparently he's never seen and didn't know anything about, even though it's 200 metres from a house that he owns in the suburb of Marrickville.</para>
<para>Professor Anne Twomey is quite correct. This is grey corruption, and it goes to the heart of how the Labor Party operates. They treat taxpayers' money as their own money. It's some sort of credit card. They can go all around the world. We only have to talk about Anika Wells, the 'minister for frequent flyer points', in terms of her approach to the treatment of taxpayers' money. She sees how the Prime Minister operates. He thinks it's well and good to give $6 million to his local golf club, which he's never seen and which is only 200 metres from a house that he had apparently forgotten he owned. It's a clear conflict of interest, and this government says it doesn't really matter.</para>
<para>This Senate, quite correctly, passed an order for the production of documents asking for certain documents. If the government don't have anything to hide, they should release the documents. If everything is rosy, good and in compliance with the law, the Labor Party should just release the documents, because they've got nothing to hide. But they clearly do have something to hide. Otherwise, why would they be objecting to the release of these documents? They know these documents are a paper trail from the Prime Minister to the golf club and in reverse in relation to the laundering of $6 million of taxpayers' money to a golf club in the Prime Minister's own electorate without taking into account due process and due accountability. It's a rip-off of the Australian taxpayers, and the Australian Labor Party should be ashamed of themselves. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHELDON</name>
    <name.id>168275</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll start with two words: sports rorts. The culprit at the centre of one of the biggest rorting scandals in Australia's history is trying to play prosecutor. The hypocrisy is absolutely staggering. We've gone through the list. I'll go through it again because not one of those on the opposite side went to ask any one of those shadow ministers, including the Leader of the Opposition, or one of those members of the Liberal Party about alleged conflicts of interest on the basis of the propaganda and the approach that's used by Senator McKenzie and by the other speakers on the other side. Maybe those on the other side have forgotten what happened when Senator McKenzie was the sports minister. I'll remind them yet again.</para>
<para>Isn't it remarkable that, instead of telling Australians how they would help them with housing and rather than turning around and talking about the cost of living and how to get better wages&#x2014;we know what they want to do about wages; they actually want to decrease them&#x2014;Senator McKenzie is more focused on talking about election commitments that are delivered to local communities. Our commitments followed the Commonwealth Grants Rules and Principles. Our commitments followed the recommendations of the Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit, made up of MPs and senators from across the political spectrum, including members of Senator McKenzie's own side of politics. Most importantly, our commitments were made to deliver for local communities, not sorted on a colour coded spreadsheet or made for personal political gain.</para>
<para>Senator McKenzie might be familiar with those colour coded sheets because, of course, she was at the centre of it. Nine out of the 10 electorates that received the most funding were marginal target electorates, based on a colour coded spreadsheet. Let's remind ourselves&#x2014;I've said it before; I'm going to say it again&#x2014;that 73 per cent of the projects Senator McKenzie approved went against the recommendations of the Australian Sports Commission, then known as Sport Australia. And it gets worse, because the Senate inquiry into these sports rorts found more than 40 per cent of the projects that received the funding were considered ineligible by the Audit Office.</para>
<para>While all the sports rorts were going on, she even failed to disclose her own active membership of a gun club that received almost $36,000 from the very program she oversaw. This is a gun club she was active in. She failed to tell anyone. I can see why, when I go through this list, she's only applying it selectively to anyone else. Of course you're going to say you need&#x2014;Senator McKenzie quite clearly turned around in 2024 and disclosed that she forgot about 16 flight upgrades that she received over nine years while pointing the finger at everybody else. What a clown show it is to turn around and have these people on the opposite side prosecuting this particular argument!</para>
<para>Let's go to some of those on the opposite side. The member for Hume, opposition leader Angus Taylor, promised $200,000 to upgrade amenities at the 1st Appin Scout Group, where he held an honorary membership that wasn't declared on his register of interests. Under McKenzie's rules, obviously the opposition leader is guilty! After the comments from members of parliament&#x2014;</para>
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    <name role="metadata">Senator SHELDON</name>
    <name.id>168275</name.id>
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  <para>No matter how much they interject, after comments from person after person on the basis of their rules and on their assessment, that's the way they should be actually be speaking about the opposition leader. Then it goes to the member for Bowman, Henry Pike, who promised $1.1 million to the EGW Wood Sportfield, home of the Redlands Tigers, a club that listed him as a patron. That wasn't declared on his register of interests. On the basis of what they're putting forward, that person is guilty. So you've got the member for Bowman as well as the leader. You've got the member for Herbert, Phil Thompson&#x2014;$232,000 to the Jubilee Bowls Club. Under the McKenzie rules, he's guilty. Then you go back to the declaring of interests by Senator McKenzie.</para>
<para>Let's spend less time pointing fingers across the chamber and a little more time asking questions of her colleagues on the basis of the assessment that she's using, because, on the assessment that she's using, they are guilty. Either they're guilty or they're not. If you're going to use that assessment, you have to use that assessment appropriately. At the last election, they promised $1.6 billion; they have $1.6 billion they refuse to make themselves accountable for. That's completely how they operate over there: sports rorts, shame, hypocrisy, and constantly turning around and failing to have the standards that they apply to anyone else applying to them. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATERSON</name>
    <name.id>144138</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have enjoyed every contribution across the chamber in this debate, but I particularly enjoyed that last contribution from Senator Sheldon, especially the last 60 seconds. Irony is clearly lost on Senator Sheldon, because he concluded his contribution, angrily pointing his finger across the chamber, by saying we should spend less time pointing fingers at each other and examine the conduct of our own parties. Not once in his five-minute contribution on this debate did Senator Sheldon in any way reflect on the conduct of his own party, of his own government or of his own prime minister. Not once did he seek to hold himself and his colleagues to the standards he and other Labor colleagues have demanded of this side of the chamber, including when we were in government.</para>
<para>There is no more boring accusation a politician can make to another politician than hypocrisy, but, if you're going to come in here and accuse other people of hypocrisy and accuse them of not living up to their standards, at least have the decency to reflect on your own. That is obviously something Senator Sheldon and all of his colleagues are incapable of doing. I particularly enjoyed the irony of him attacking Senator McKenzie for her alleged past failure to make a disclosure for an organisation that received a grant when the central question in this debate is the Prime Minister's failure to disclose a membership of an organisation that received a grant of public money under his watch as Prime Minister. If you're going to come in here and accuse others of doing something that your own boss is doing, at least have some plausible defence or cover before throwing that accusation at others.</para>
<para>The truth is that Senator Sheldon and other Labor senators who have contributed to this debate have had nothing meaningful to say in the defence of the government's conduct because there is no defence for it. This is public money which has been found by independent groups, like the Centre for Public Integrity, to have been used for a political purpose in a non-transparent process. That's what the government did. That is what the government spent years railing against when they were the opposition, when they were on this side of the chamber. They said that they would never do this, and they are in government, and they've now done it. To top it all off, they're not even allowing this chamber to do its job of scrutinising the decisions and expenditure of public money by refusing to cooperate with an order for the production of documents. That is the problem here.</para>
<para>If you think your conduct is above board, if you think your conduct is defensible and if you think what you have done is right, why won't you release the documents? Why won't you allow them to be scrutinised by the Senate, by the media, by the public and by independent groups? The truth is we know that they know that this would not pass any public test. This would not survive public scrutiny, and so they will do everything they can to deny the public and the taxpayers, who funded these grants and the opportunity to understand how these decisions were made, who they were made by and when they were made. We all know, with ministers and departments rushing around to assure everyone that it wasn't them that made the decision and that it was somebody else, that there's something suss going on here, that the decisions were probably made in the PMO by a staffer, instructed by the Prime Minister, to suit Labor's political interests, and that is what they are afraid will be exposed if they comply with the Senate's order to produce documents.</para>
<para>The truth is there is a stench of corruption around Labor nationally and none more so than in my home state of Victoria. It is very clear we have a government there that knowingly willingly handed $15 billion of taxpayers money to the CFMEU, organised crime and bikies. They did nothing after they were warned that it was happening. They allowed it to go on for two years. Let's not forget that, among those $15 billion was federal taxpayers money too that this government allowed to be handed over to organised crime, bikies and the CFMEU, despite media reports drawing attention to this and despite whistleblowers bringing forward complaints. This is a government which is willing to tolerate corruption when it suits its political interests. When their friends benefit and when they benefit, they're happy to see public money to go to improper purposes, and that will be the judgement of Victorians on 28 November, as it will one day be the judgement on this government to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
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  <para>As I was indicating before the debate was interrupted, the government will be opposing this motion. We have heard from the parliament and from the community a desire to ensure that there is the ability for a human to review decisions made for Support at Home. The government has listened to that feedback. We are proposing a mechanism to do exactly that. That legislation has been considered by the House of Representatives. The rules under underpinning that process have been developed, and an exposure draft for those rules has been published. The legislation that is before this chamber could be supported today. We could support it today and enact that escalation process into law, and that would ensure that there is a process for a human to review decisions made for Support at Home. The motion before us, which proposes splitting the escalation pathway out of the bill before us, would only the delay the commencement of this measure.</para>
<para>As I noted earlier, the effect of schedule 4 of this bill will be to amend the Aged Care Act to allow certain aged-care assessment decisions to be reviewed through an escalation pathway, and that pathway would apply to certain classification decisions for home support and priority category decisions for home support, assistive technology and home modifications. As noted by Minister Rae during consideration in the other place, the escalation path will make a real difference to older people who have complex, extenuating circumstances that don't fit neatly into existing assessment processes.</para>
<para>During the hearing on the escalation pathway amendments by the Community Affairs Legislation Committee, there were many stakeholders that welcomed the government's decision to legislate an escalation pathway, the legislation that is before us today. Tom Symondson, the chief executive officer for Ageing Australia, said that many older people had contacted his organisation about their assessment outcomes, demonstrating that the escalation pathway was, and I quote, 'very much needed'. And he went on to say this:</para>
<quote><para class="block">We see this review pathway as a useful interim safeguard, and we welcome the ability for those assessments that are found to not meet the needs of the older person to be reviewed relatively quickly.</para></quote>
<para>The Australian College of Nurse Practitioners also made a submission, and they said the pathway, and I quote, 'has the potential to improve fairness, responsiveness and confidence in the aged-care assessment system'. Mr Craig Gear of the Older Persons Advocacy Network told the committee this:</para>
<quote><para class="block">OPAN welcomes the proposed escalation pathway. It's an important interim reform to enable human correction of outcomes informed by the integrated assessment tool.</para></quote>
<para>Mr Gear also said this:</para>
<quote><para class="block">We have called for this sort of escalation pathway since the commencement of the Aged Care Act in 2024. Older people need an accessible correction mechanism while this longer-term reform goes on to address other concerns around the IT, including how it picks up dementia.</para></quote>
<para>Major stakeholders in this policy area are asking for the legislation that is before this parliament now to be endorsed by this Senate.</para>
<para>Under the escalation pathway, where an older person's needs are not fully captured by the integrated assessment tool in extenuating circumstances, the assessment organisation can refer the case to the department and if the case meets the criteria, the department can substitute the outcome of the original assessment, so a person is not left with an outcome that doesn't reflect what they need. It adds a further safeguard and strengthens assurance and human oversight of the assessment process. This is what stakeholders, including some in this chamber, have been calling for.</para>
<para>In addition to the motion before us, I understand that the Greens political party intend to move another amendment that would change the way the escalation pathway would work. Under the escalation pathway, as the government proposes, older people's assessments will be escalated to the system governor, the secretary of the department or his delegates in the cases where the assessment tool doesn't fully capture the complexity of their circumstances. If necessary, the outcome can be adjusted to ensure the older person gets appropriate care. The secretary of the department is&#x2014;should it need to be said&#x2014;a human. His delegates are human&#x2014;the human override that senators have been calling for.</para>
<para>What the Greens are instead proposing with their amendment is an assessor led override. I want to be clear about the deficiencies of this approach, because it mirrors the old assessment system, and the old assessment system saw inconsistent and unfair assessment outcomes being delivered because it was so dependent on who the assessor was making that determination. And the Greens amendment seeks to take us backwards to that unfair system. A broad discretion to override the classification of priority assigned under the rules, as they propose, risks undermining fairness and, importantly, slowing access to care for many of those who need it most.</para>
<para>It also risks the sustainability of the aged-care system itself. Costings by the department show that the fiscal implications of this model will be up to $16 billion. I'll repeat that number: $16 billion in additional cost.</para>
<para>Every senator in this place should care about the sustainability of our aged-care system. The government's proposed escalation pathway is the practical, responsible protection that the system needs without compromising the needs and the care of older people. So I return to the motion that is before the chair, which essentially seeks to delay this important reform, and it does nothing to improve the pathway for a single older person; it does nothing to deliver solutions for older people. Our government has been consistent. We are willing to work across the chamber and beyond this building to deliver an aged-care system that older people deserve, and that is what we have been doing since we came to government.</para>
<para>Targeted consultations were undertaken by the department as part of the review of the Support at Home prioritisation mechanism. Stakeholders broadly supported the principles underpinning the assessment system and acknowledged the role of standardised decision-making in promoting consistency, transparency and equity. They also acknowledged that there may be exceptional circumstances where an individual's needs are not adequately reflected in the assessment outcome. Consultation highlighted concerns regarding circumstances involving complexity, deterioration, cognitive impairment, carer arrangements and social vulnerability. That stakeholder feedback has informed the development of the escalation pathway, together with analysis case studies provided by assessment organisations.</para>
<para>The government is willing to continue to work with stakeholders across the parliament to further improve our aged-care system, but that should not hold up this important measure. It's important to note that at no point does the escalation pathway, as we propose, remove or diminish an individual's existing rights to seek reconsideration of an aged-care assessment decision under the act. The legislation manages the interaction between the escalation pathway and existing reconsideration processes by pausing reconsideration timeframes while an additional review is under way. This preserves an individual's access to merits review, and it assures a person is not disadvantaged where both processes are engaged.</para>
<para>The government's proposal, which is before this chamber right now, is practical and responsible. It does not compromise the care of older people, and it builds on the change we made earlier this year to the prioritisation systems queue rate, which brought the average wait for someone assessed as high priority, down from just over two months to just over one. It builds also on our change to make sure that people with MND are automatically treated as urgent.</para>
<para>But the motion before the chamber seeks to delay consideration of that practical, responsible protection. It seeks to split the bill and, by the stated intentions of Senator Allman-Payne, it seeks to prevent the establishment of the escalation pathway as proposed by the government. It's hard to see how that meets the calls of the stakeholders that I alluded to earlier in my remarks. It's hard to see how delay meets the calls made by other parliamentarians here and in the other place for increasing oversight. It is hard to see how it advances the interests of older Australians. It looks like a political stunt designed to draw attention to the Greens political party at a time when they wish to be more visible in the public domain. It doesn't look like a responsible reaction to a serious policy process to set the aged-care system up for the future. We have been working on this issue since we came to government, making sure the aged-care system, which had been characterised by neglect under the previous government, can deal with the challenges it faces now and deal with the challenges it will face in the future. The proposal to split this bill in half doesn't assist with that. The proposal to return to the old system of total discretion by assessor organisations also doesn't assist with that and potentially adds billions of dollars of cost into the system. That's what the department analysis says, and that's what senators will need to weigh in considering the motion before the chamber.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
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  <para>I would like to make a contribution in relation to the contingent motion that's been moved by the Greens in relation to this bill. At the outset, I say that the bill is important for a number of reasons. The bill is four separate schedules, three of which were put forward by an original bill that went through a committee process and came back, and had universal support, in the committee report, for those three schedules being supported. Schedule 1 is the establishment of an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander commissioner. In a formalised sense, this commissioner has already been in operation for a reasonable length of time as an interim commissioner, and this particular bill, in schedule 1, seeks to make sure that the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander commissioner is a permanent feature on the landscape of advice to the Australian government in relation to supporting older Australians who are of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander descent. The opposition absolutely won't stand in the way of formalising the commissioner as a permanent commissioner, because we understand the unique challenges that are faced by older Australians who are Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander.</para>
<para>The second schedule of the bill is time-critical. The government allowed itself a series of Henry VIII powers in the introduction of the original legislative piece that put in place the reforms that started on 1 November 2025 and has used a number of those provisions. But, as part of the process of having Henry VIII provisions, they have to be brought to this place and have to be approved for their ongoing use in this place in order for them to remain in place. Those provisions sunset on 1 November 2026. We understand that the government has a time-critical necessity to pass schedule 2 of this bill.</para>
<para>The third schedule of the bill relates to a series of other measures that are all important. Some of them are requiring providers to refund overcharged contributions and overpaid resident fees and contributions. There are 13 parts to schedule 3, all of which seek to make changes that will be largely to the benefit of older Australians who are receiving care. I put on the record that the coalition absolutely supports the passage of schedules 1, 2 and 3, for the reasons I have just outlined.</para>
<para>However, at the last minute, after the original legislation had passed through the House of Representatives and been referred off to committee in the Senate and been reported back to the Senate, the government sought to move an additional amendment, which is schedule 4 of this bill, that had a completely different purpose to the original purpose of the bill&#x2014;that is, to put in place an escalation pathway in relation to the integrated assessment tool, which is the computer generated algorithm that has been the subject of much debate not only in this place but in the wider community. It would be no surprise to anybody listening that I have, and I know that all of my colleagues have, received numerous representations by older Australians and their families, where they or their loved one have received an assessment using this computer generated algorithm that has no human override. They believe this is inadequate and has under-assessed the needs of older Australians. On top of that, the algorithm also has a prioritisation component. The amount of times people have said that, even if their loved one has been assessed as needing a level 8 package&#x2014;and we all know that a level 8 package is only a small degree short of that person needing residential aged care, so they have very significant care needs. They're being told sometimes to wait eight, 10 or 12 months to get this, because the algorithm is not prioritising those people. The algorithm also does not prioritise&#x2014;the government does not prioritise&#x2014;people who are stranded in hospitals to get them quicker access to packages so they are able to go home.</para>
<para>The government, for the first time, in introducing this particular amendment, has acknowledged that the assessment algorithm is producing the wrong results for older Australians. You only have to go to the additional comments that the coalition made in relation to the very short inquiry that we were afforded&#x2014;I think it was 90 minutes with the department&#x2014;where the department failed to provide answers; was somewhat misleading in the answers that it gave, on many occasions; and was, quite frankly, contemptuous of the questions that were being asked by crossbench and coalition senators at the time. The overwhelming evidence that came from everybody that presented to that inquiry was that schedule 4 is a bandaid on a symptom and is not a fix for the cause. Everybody who gave evidence believed that this was an interim measure at best and that it did not negate the need for a review and reconstruction of the process that this algorithm is used for. That would include getting under the bonnet of the algorithm itself and understanding that the algorithm is not fit for purpose to deliver correct, accurate and fair assessments for older Australians put through this process.</para>
<para>As we know, we put a bill through this place to say that, because of the flaws, we needed human override. Human override is one part of fixing this problem, but the other very serious part is that we need to fix the algorithm itself. The other thing the evidence shows is that the fundamental problem in the assessment system lies in the algorithm; it doesn't lie in the review process after somebody believes that they've got the wrong decision. Schedule 4 leaves the algorithm untouched. I think that is the point that needs to be clearly put on the record. Schedule 4 does nothing to fix the problem.</para>
<para>Officials in the inquiry&#x2014;the short inquiry that we were allowed&#x2014;were also unable to explain whether anything in the act prevents the existing rules being amended to restore clinical decision-making at the point of assessment, which is the very discretion assessors were told that they would have. It appears the minister could reinstate human override as part of the original decision-making process with the stroke of a pen. In saying that, coalition senators remain open to working with the government on amendments to address all of the concerns that were expressed during this process. We also acknowledge and thank the many people who provided so much evidence to the plethora of inquiries that have been forced upon this place because of the botched implementation of the aged-care reforms that were brought into being on 1 November 2025. I can say that we absolutely are genuinely committed to fixing the assessment problem, but we're committed to fixing it at its source.</para>
<para>I want to read the final statement in the additional comments put forward by the coalition in relation to the inquiry into this amendment to the original bill. It says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Unless the Government is prepared to acknowledge that the algorithm has failed and set out a clear plan to correct it, Coalition Senators are not willing to support a measure that treats only the symptom. Doing so risks entrenching a flawed system and relieving pressure on the Government to undertake the fundamental reform that is required.</para></quote>
<para>As I said, we are supportive of and committed to making sure the government gets the amendments and changes to the Aged Care Act that it needs for the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Aged Care Commissioner to become a permanent fixture in our landscape. We also absolutely support the 'Henry VIII' provisions being approved to continue after 1 November. We also absolutely support the additional 'other measures' changes that are listed in schedule 3 in order for the government to be able to make those changes to the benefit of older Australians.</para>
<para>But more work needs to be done in order for the Australian public&#x2014;including older Australians and their families, the stakeholders who have made representations in this particular debate&#x2014;to have confidence that the government actually is addressing the most critical problem in our aged-care system at the moment, and that is that we have a computer generated algorithm that is making decisions about the care needs of older Australians and the prioritisation of those care needs and that has no human override in the initial assessment process. For the last 11 months, we have seen so many cases of Australians coming forward and saying that the assessment that they have received is below their care needs. Obviously, the families and the people who are in a position to make an assessment know it is below the care needs of the people that are before them. We are asking the government: please, please address the problem that is causing these older Australians to not get the care that they need. That's what we're asking you to do.</para>
<para>We're happy to continue to work with the government and others in this place, and we thank the Greens for their constructive involvement in this whole process of debate. We are absolutely here to support sensible reform that addresses the problem, and that commitment remains on the table today and going forward. But we cannot in all conscience accept a half-measure that only addresses the symptoms. We want the cause of the problem addressed as well.</para>
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    <time.stamp>11:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
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  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the question be now put.</para></quote>
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    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>274506</name.id>
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  <para>The question is that the question be put.</para>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [12:01]<br/>(The Acting Deputy President&#x2014;Senator Sharma)</p>
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                <num.votes>11</num.votes>
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                  <name>Allman-Payne, P. J.</name>
                  <name>Bleyer, V. E.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Hodgins-May, S.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Payman, F.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, B.</name>
                  <name>Shoebridge, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
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                <num.votes>28</num.votes>
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                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                  <name>Darmanin, L. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Dolega, J.</name>
                  <name>Dowling, R.</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Ghosh, V.</name>
                  <name>Green, N. L.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Kovacic, M.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, D. W.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Sharma, D. N.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V.</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G.</name>
                  <name>Tyrrell, T. M.</name>
                  <name>Walker, C.</name>
                  <name>Whiteaker, E.</name>
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                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHITEAKER</name>
    <name.id>316555</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm very pleased about the decision the chamber just made on putting that question. I think the minister has very convincingly set out the importance of this proposed escalation pathway. As the Chair of the Community Affairs Legislation Committee, which spent some time over the last few weeks inquiring into this additional amendment to the amendment bill, I think it's really important to remind the chamber that this escalation pathway is intentionally targeted. It is a change that has come about as a result of targeted consultation with stakeholders and in response to what we are hearing from older Australians about their concerns with the integrated assessment tool.</para>
<para>The intention of the pathway is to operate as a safeguard in exceptional circumstances while maintaining the benefits of a consistent rule based assessment system, and that is something that I think is really crucial. We do believe that there has to be some form of consistent rules based decision-making. As the minister said, if we were not to have that kind of decision-making process, it would be expensive and it would come at the expense of older Australians. Importantly, the amendment doesn't remove or diminish an individual's right that they already have to seek reconsideration of an aged-care assessment decision under the act. They still have that pathway should they need it. But what's important about this particular pathway is that it essentially allows the rules to be set aside in particular circumstances. We consider that this escalation pathway strikes the appropriate balance between consistency and flexibility. It preserves the benefits that we think a standardised assessment tool brings, but it also allows us to address exceptional circumstances where they arise.</para>
<para>We've been really clear since coming to government about fixing the challenges&#x2014;that's putting it nicely&#x2014;that we inherited from the former government in aged care. We don't shy away from that work. It's hard; it's not easy. These are older Australians who deserve the very best care that we can give them, and our government minister is committed to doing that work. I really hope that this chamber doesn't stand in the way of us responding to the calls of the sector and responding to the calls of providers, community advocates of older Australians and their families.</para>
<para>We heard in our inquiry into this additional amendment that this is what older Australians and their advocates want us to do in this place. They don't want us to wait. Ageing Australia said that the escalation pathway was needed and was a useful interim safeguard. Nurse practitioners said that it would improve fairness. OPAN said they welcomed the escalation pathway. So it would be a really disappointing decision in this place if senators were to stand in the way of giving older Australians an escalation pathway where they need it. I think the fact that this relates to exceptional circumstances is a really important consideration because these are circumstances where they require us to step in and make a decision and where the cost of not doing so is high, not just to the older person, of course, but to their family, to their carers and to providers.</para>
<para>For the Liberals and the Greens to team up and stand in the way again of us delivering for older Australians would be a great shame and a terrible reflection on their commitment to improving the lives of older Australians, which they say is what they're here to do. They say they're here to work constructively with us. They say they're here to help make the system better&#x2014;a system that, I remind senators, was a system of neglect. The royal commission found that we were neglecting the needs of older Australians in our aged-care system. In a great country like ours, the fact that older Australians were left by, let's be frank, those opposite when they were in government is truly disgraceful.</para>
<para>We can do better. We are doing better. It's hard work. It's not an overnight fix. It's been the result of many years since Labor came to government in 2022. In this bill, through the schedules that were originally brought to this chamber that were originally part of this bill and through the additional schedule that came in recent weeks&#x2014;as a result of targeted consultation, as a result of listening to older Australians and what they need, listening to advocates, listening to families&#x2014;the government is taking action to make sure that, where an escalation is needed in exceptional circumstances, older Australians are able to access that escalation pathway. Really, it's not just older Australians and advocates and families and carers that have been calling for this. The opposition and the Greens have also asked us to do this, but here we are with an opportunity for them, in good faith, to show that they are willing to work with us on improving the system, on fixing the mistakes that were made under previous governments and on doing better for older Australians, and this is an opportunity for them to show it.</para>
<para>Schedule 4, which is the particularly contentious schedule that's being talked about today and that the Greens have moved to have separated from this bill and therefore delayed, therefore delaying older Australians the opportunity to escalate a decision&#x2014;that schedule means that older Australians can always have their home support assessment looked at again by a person to make sure the right decision is made on the level and the urgency of that care. I cannot see a reason that would be acceptable to older Australians to hold that up from passing through this chamber.</para>
<para>Standing up this escalation pathway takes work and supporting this bill and passing this bill is not the end of that work. The government and the department, in giving their evidence to the Senate committee in recent weeks, were really clear that there is ongoing work to be done, ongoing consultation, to set up the rules that will inform the escalation pathway. We have said all along we want to do this in a timely way. We don't want to force older Australians to have to wait, and we will continue to consult and work to get this right.</para>
<para>Assessors, older Australians and, in fact, even the Liberals and the Greens have told us there needs to be a way for someone to take another look at an assessment outcome that potentially is not right, that doesn't look right. This schedule, schedule 4 of this bill, delivers that. It would be really hard to explain to the family of an older Australian who needs their decision assessed and to explain to them why this chamber held that up. The Senate should be asking how quickly we can fix this problem not how we can play political games or yet again use aged care as a political football to gain some votes back for&#x2014;it's really shameful that we would attempt to use some of our most vulnerable Australians to play a political game.</para>
<para>This is an opportunity to come together and to fix a problem. The government have been really open and upfront that that is what we are seeking to do. The pathway will be there, if it were to pass this chamber, which I believe it should quickly, for a person whose complex needs aren't captured by the existing assessment process. It sits alongside an existing review system, but we, after consulting with older Australians and their families, have come to the view that this is a really important and urgent change that should pass this chamber without further delay.</para>
<para>There are extenuating circumstances where the integrated assessment tool might not be able to consider all of the unique factors that make up a person's life. We accept that, and so, where a case meets the criteria, we want to give the department the ability to substitute the outcome of that original assessment so a person is not left with a set of circumstances that don't meet their needs. I can't, frankly, see why this chamber would delay what seems to be a sensible decision to make a real difference to older Australians who are seeking to have their assessment looked at.</para>
<para>What we've seen in the chamber today and saw yesterday on this bill does nothing to improve the pathway for a single older Australian. It does nothing to make the assessment tool work better for the older people around our country who need us to do it. Our government is willing to work with stakeholders across the parliament and outside this parliament&#x2014;older Australians and their families&#x2014;to get this right. We are genuine about that willingness. I call on other senators in this place to work with us to do that. The bill has been through the House. It's been considered in detail. My Senate committee has looked into this bill&#x2014;not once but twice.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The time for the debate has expired. At this point you will be in continuation if you wish to be. I'll now proceed to senators' statements.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>STATEMENTS BY SENATORS</title>
        <page.no>30</page.no>
        <type>STATEMENTS BY SENATORS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Superannuation, Tobacco Control, Ipswich Little Athletics</title>
          <page.no>30</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCARR</name>
    <name.id>282997</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm speaking on a number of matters in this presentation. Earlier today, ASIC released <inline font-style="italic">A</inline><inline font-style="italic">ccounting for </inline><inline font-style="italic">your super</inline><inline font-style="italic">:</inline><inline font-style="italic">super </inline><inline font-style="italic">fund financial reporting and audit 2025-26</inline>, report 841, in relation to the performance of some of Australia's largest audit companies in providing audit services in relation to registrable superannuation entities. Some of the findings in relation to this report were deeply disturbing.</para>
<para>I commend an article written by Lucas Baird and reported in the <inline font-style="italic">Australian Financial Review</inline> entitled 'EY, PwC ticked off $80b in private assets without enough proof'. Australians have $4.8 trillion of funds in superannuation. It's an extraordinary amount of money. A lot of that money is invested in unlisted assets, where there isn't transparency, because the value of those assets is not listed on, say, the ASX. It makes it absolutely crucial that the audit processes which are applied to assess valuations are rigorous and provide transparency with respect to the value of the holdings of Australians' retirement funds.</para>
<para>This report by ASIC is deeply disturbing. Let me list some of the summary of audit surveillance findings which are contained in this report. On page 13, it says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Auditors' procedures often did not sufficiently address the valuation risks associated with unlisted investments and were not adequate to obtain sufficient appropriate audit evidence.</para></quote>
<para>This is extraordinary. We're talking about PwC and EY, two of Australia's largest audit companies, and they're failing to discharge their obligations and failing to conduct audits in accordance with audit practice 101. This is what they found. On table 3, it says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">For externally managed investments, three auditors did not adequately test the reliability of prices provided by external fund managers, or test the methods, assumptions and data used for the valuations.</para></quote>
<para>It's extraordinary. It goes on:</para>
<quote><para class="block">For internally managed investments, two auditors did not obtain sufficient appropriate audit evidence for the valuations.</para></quote>
<para>This is basic stuff. It says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">One auditor had insufficient audit documentation of the explanations and supporting evidence for valuation differences.</para></quote>
<para>It goes on and on. On page 14, of the six registrable superannuation entity audit surveillances they conducted, it says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">we had findings relating to the audit of unlisted investment valuations for three (two from EY and one from PwC).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">&#x2026;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#x2026;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;&#x2026;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The findings relate to $80 billion of unlisted investments, which is 29% of the $275 billion of investments covered by our six RSE audit surveillances.</para></quote>
<para>So ASIC conducted an inquiry in relation to valuations for $275 billion of investments and found issues with respect to $80 billion.</para>
<para>What else is out there? There's $4.8 trillion under management&#x2014;$4.8 trillion of your superannuation funds under management. On this analysis, we're talking about more than 25 per cent&#x2014;29 per cent&#x2014;of what they engaged in reviews of. Twenty-nine per cent failed to undertake appropriate audit practices. That's not good enough, and I think EY and PwC should be explaining themselves to the Australian people with respect to what's gone on here. I can tell you, as a member of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services, under the outstanding leadership of Senator Deborah O'Neill, this is certainly a matter which I'm sure we will be considering&#x2014;how to bring this issue to light to the public and hold those accountable for these absolute failures in auditing unlisted financial assets contained in Australian superannuation funds.</para>
<para>In the United States, they introduced the Volstead Act in 1920. The Volstead Act was the act which introduced prohibition in the United States, prohibiting the sale of alcohol et cetera in 1920. It led to an explosion in organised crime. Al Capone and others made millions of dollars out of it. It wasn't until 1933 that the prohibition was reversed. The Volstead Act was repealed. It took 13 years, and during that time organised crime in the United States exploded. We have a similar phenomena occurring in Australia with respect to the illegal tobacco industry. In one of the greatest public policy failures any government has achieved, if I can use that word, billions of dollars have been directed, in effect, from the public purse in excise duties on tobacco to organise crime. Everywhere you go in Australia there's a proliferation of illegal tobacconists selling illegal tobacco such that it's been reported that the profits being generated by organised crime are somewhere as high as between $4.1 billion and $6.9 billion. That's money that should be received by the taxpayers of Australia. Instead, it's going to organise crime.</para>
<para>This is also hurting small businesses in my home state of Queensland. I refer to an article by Andreas Nicola which says businesses neighbouring tobacco stores face fivefold insurance hikes after fire bombing wave. This isn't just hurting the Australian government in terms of excise receipts; it's also hurting the small businesses that are located near illegal tobacconists. I want to quote one of those small businesses that's been impacted simply by being a neighbouring business. Estie Derksen, who runs a South African grocery business in Browns Plains, has been hit three times because she had a tobacco shop next to her firebombed. This is someone running a small business. The illegal tobacconist next door gets firebombed, and she's impacted. The first time they lost 30 to 40 per cent of business for months, because it took three months to get a custom door, and a lot of people thought they were closed. The second time they were forced to close for a couple of months. She said: 'Emotionally, my husband and myself went through a period of stress and financial stress that had a massive impact on us. We had to take money out of our home mortgage just to fund ourselves and just to keep going.' She said they tried to leave, but 13 out of 15 places they looked at were still next to an illegal tobacconist or a tobacconist. Insurance is going up through the roof, even if you can get insurance. All of this is as a result of the government's failure to properly manage illegal tobacco and to have a realistic excise policy.</para>
<para>I commend Angus Taylor and the coalition leadership for the coalition's plan to drop excise by 80 per cent to make sure that Australians are redirected from buying illegal tobacco products, which are funnelling billions of dollars of profit to illegal crime, to obtain a legal, regulated product so that these devastating consequences on small businesses can be avoided. We shouldn't wait the 13 years the United States waited to repeal prohibition back in the 1930s.</para>
<para>Lastly, in 2032, the Olympics and Paralympics will come to Queensland. I won't be presenting medals; I'm pretty sure of that. But I did have the opportunity to present medals at Ipswich Little Athletics last Saturday, and it was an absolute joy. I want to congratulate the organisers, including centre manager Joshua Roney. I want to give a shout-out to one inspiring participant. Jett Troder is a 12-year-old. He has cerebral palsy. He's also a para-athlete, and he's in the F37 class. He engaged in the national championships for discus and shotput. He aspires to represent Australia at the Paralympics, so I say: well done, Jett. You're absolutely an inspiration. It was wonderful to meet you, and, if you do represent Australia&#x2014;and I hope you do&#x2014;I'm going to be there to watch you perform.</para>
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</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Raise Our Voice in Parliament, Middle East, International Relations: Australia and the United States of America</title>
          <page.no>31</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HODGINS-MAY</name>
    <name.id>310860</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Good on you, Jett. It is my absolute pleasure to read out two speeches from young people as part of Raise our Voice in Parliament. The first is from Naomi, who is 13 years old. She wrote:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Have you ever realised how bushfires are getting bigger, floods are becoming more frequent, and we are slowly losing our wildlife?</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For me, the main issue impacting our future is climate change.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This issue is close to my heart. I have grown up in a world where I have heard about climate change, but only as I got older did I realise how much it could impact my future. I wonder whether the environment I know today will ever be the same.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">More than 700 species face extinction from climate change.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And we aren't helping.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australia is responsible for 1% to 1.3% of global greenhouse gas emissions, equal to 437.5 million tonnes, or 14 to 15 tonnes per person.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">When we account for fossil fuels we export, such as coal and gas, our contribution rises to around 4.5% to 5% of global emissions, or 1.7 billion tonnes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Surely this is something we can decrease.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">If we don't take action, the future looks grim. Young people can feel powerless about the future. But we can slow climate change by setting stronger climate goals and taking action.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Together, we can protect our future.</para></quote>
<para>Thank you, Naomi.</para>
<para>The second speech is from Klara, who is 15:</para>
<quote><para class="block">My name is Klara, and I am part of a generation trying to plan a future that feels more out of reach every day. Right now, the cost of living is rising faster than we can keep up. Groceries cost more.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Transport costs more. Even basic things feel harder to afford.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For young people, this doesn't just mean cutting back. It means missing out. It means more stress at home. It means fewer chances to feel independent in the future. At the same time, housing feels impossible. Renting is unstable and expensive. Owning a home feels like something that might never happen. We are being asked to work hard for a future we can't clearly see.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These issues are connected. If we can't afford to live now, how can we build a future later? I want a future where young people can afford the basics and have a fair chance at a stable home.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Parliament must act by lowering the cost of essentials, investing in more affordable and social housing, and making renting fairer and more secure for young people. Because right now, we are not just struggling to live. We are struggling to believe in what comes next.</para></quote>
<para>Thank you, Klara.</para>
<para>I want to thank Naomi and Klara because it has been an absolute privilege to bring these young voices into parliament, and I can only hope that their messages are heard and acted upon. Naomi and Klara have put into words what so many young people are feeling today. They're worried about the world they're inheriting, and they are worried about whether they can afford to live a decent life. They are right to expect more from us in this place. They shouldn't have to beg politicians to take their futures seriously.</para>
<para>This week marks three years since the beginning of Israel's genocidal assault on Gaza. It is a solemn anniversary. It marks three years of unimaginable suffering; three years of families being torn apart, homes being destroyed and families being killed; and three years of Palestinians being denied basic necessities, including food, water and medical care, although we know that was happening before. This week, I spoke to the UN special rapporteur on the right to food, Professor Michael Fakhri. Professor Fakhri has spoken about Israel's deliberate, rapid and violent escalation in its starvation campaign against Palestinians in Gaza. Children continue to face the devastating consequences of hunger, malnutrition and the destruction of the systems that they depend on to survive. Starvation is not an unfortunate side effect when food and humanitarian assistance are deliberately obstructed. My colleagues and I have been coming into this chamber for three years, demanding some pretty simple things: meaningful sanctions on Israel, an end to the two-way arms trade, urgent humanitarian aid that is allowed to reach those people who so desperately need it, and the courage to call this what it is&#x2014;a genocide. For three years, Australia has dragged its international reputation through the mud, abandoned the vast majority of Australians demanding action against the Israeli regime and failed to act in the face of unimaginable violence being waged against Palestinians.</para>
<para>On the weekend, thousands of Australians came together to once again march for Palestine, to march for peace and to march for justice. They marched because they refuse to accept that Palestinian lives matter less. They marched because they know that the words of concern mean nothing without action. The Albanese government can keep hiding behind expressions of concern while refusing to use the levers we have as a global middle power to hold Israel to account. We have imposed sweeping sanctions on Russia, yet only a handful on Israeli individuals. This government has the power to do more. It has a choice not to, and that choice will be remembered. Just this week, the government and the coalition voted down another attempt to bring this urgent issue before the Senate. And still there is no commitment to the passing of the urgent Red Lines Package. I want to thank the tireless advocates and the communities who continue to march weekend after weekend. Thank you to the aid workers, human rights experts, genocide scholars and journalists who refuse to stay silent.</para>
<para>But is it any wonder that this Labor government refuses to stand up for peace? We have shackled ourselves to the warmongering administrators in the US and Israel and then watched as Australia's commitment to international law gets buried beneath our so-called alliances. Look at what is happening in the United States. Trump wants to turn an execution into a televised spectacle&#x2014;a man strapped down and shot by a firing squad, beamed into people's homes and onto their phones. What an absolute disgrace! A human being being shot dead is turned into a spectacle for public consumption. A life is being extinguished, and the machinery of the state is ready to broadcast it&#x2014;disgusting stuff.</para>
<para>This is the politics of cruelty, and Australia must have no part in it. The live stream must be blocked from here. Amnesty International has condemned the proposal as a gross disregard for human dignity and called on the Albanese government to intervene directly with Washington. Once again, what are they met with by this Albanese government? Only words. Words alone do nothing, and we are sick of hearing this government expressing concern, issuing solemn condemnations, then carrying on as usual with a strategic relationship that leaves us shackled to Washington. No Australian should have this execution shoved into their feed. No child should open their phone and be confronted with a person being killed. Yet our prime minister remains Trump's lapdog. He has tied Australia's defence future to a president who bullies allies and tramples international norms, and other countries simply fall into line. This country falls into line.</para>
<para>Through AUKUS, Labor is pouring billions and billions of dollars into a submarine deal that puts our future into Washington's hands and keeps it stuck there. That is the price of this deal: our money, our sovereignty and the lives of Australians who could be sent to fight in a war that serves Washington's interests, not ours. And for what? So the Prime Minister can keep clinging to the coat-tails of a president who treats human lives and international law with utter contempt? We have seen where this road ends. We have seen the bodies. We have seen the devastation and the lives shattered when powerful governments decide that their military ambitions matter more than human beings. Block the live stream. Block our dependence on Trump and the US. Put human lives ahead of military deals and Australia's independence ahead of Washington's demands.</para>
<para>Finally, I want to comment on a report that I launched with Prosper Australia this morning. The Greens have been banging on about the need to tax our gas exports by a minimum 25 per cent to raise $17 billion per year. Today, Prosper's report laid bare that there is $45 billion across the resources sector that is not being gathered and is not being returned to the Australian public to improve our schools and hospitals and make child care free. This Labor government continues to fund the pockets of its donors rather than tax our resources industry properly. Thank you to Prosper for that report. We'll keep fighting to get the outcomes Australians deserve.</para>
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</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Early Childhood Education and Care</title>
          <page.no>33</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'SULLIVAN</name>
    <name.id>283585</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Deputy President, you know me well, and you know that I never set out, when I left school, to be a senator. It wasn't something I considered I'd actually do. I started out as a tradie. In my spare time, though, my wife&#x2014;who was then my girlfriend&#x2014;and I volunteered in youth programs, mentoring young people and supporting families facing disadvantage. Those experiences, in many ways, shaped the commitment to young people and families that I've carried throughout my life. Since then, whether by design or circumstance, my work has kept bringing me back in contact with vulnerable children and families, and, over and over, I've seen how much the earliest years of a child's life really matter.</para>
<para>The first 1,000 days of a child's life are a period of extraordinary development. In the first few years, more than 1,000,000 new neural connections are formed in a child's brain every single second. Those connections are shaped by a child's experience&#x2014;by whether they are safe, nourished and loved and by the response, care and secure relationships around them. Those years lay foundations for a child's health and for their learning and relationships throughout life. In Australia, the 2024 Australian Early Development Census found that 23.5 per cent of children started school developmentally vulnerable in at least one area. That is nearly one in four Australian children.</para>
<para>It's been great, although a sobering honour, to serve as the shadow minister for child protection and the prevention of family violence as well as the shadow minister for choice in child care and early learning. Both these portfolios are about giving children the very best start at life, supporting them through care and learning and protecting them when the support that surrounds them fails. Every day, I hear harrowing stories of children, women and families experiencing abuse and neglect and sometimes missed or forgotten by governments. I also hear from families who cannot find child care and about centres closing while parents are left asking where they can turn.</para>
<para>The common thread is whether governments understand what people actually need and take responsibility for those needs. That requires proximity. You cannot fully understand a situation from a distance. You have to be among the people experiencing it, listen to them and see what is happening on the ground. Evidence helps us understand the scale and the causes of a problem; the people living with it show us its impact and what support could make a difference in their lives. Good policy needs both. It starts with understanding where the need is, who is affected and what they say would help. Those making decisions must be willing to go and listen for themselves. Public spending matters when it leads to tangible outcomes. To achieve them, governments must first understand the people and the communities that they are serving.</para>
<para>Listening only matters, though, if the government is prepared to act, yet, too often, state and federal Labor governments distance themselves from responsibility. The Prime Minister says that it's a matter for the state, the state points to everywhere else, and families and vulnerable children are left waiting for help. Leadership means being honest about what is happening and owning your part in it.</para>
<para>When the Prime Minister stumbled off a stage during the election campaign, it was an obvious accident, albeit a slightly embarrassing one. But he later went on to say, 'I didn't fall off the stage,' despite the footage. The issue then became whether we had a prime minister who would acknowledge what people could see for themselves. The Treasurer has pointed to the war in the Middle East to explain the insane rise in inflation under this government. Of course the conflict has affected prices, but inflation was soaring well before the war started. The government must answer for its own spending choices and their impact on demand and inflation.</para>
<para>The same question of responsibility applies to South Hedland. Yes, protecting children in care is primarily a state responsibility, but the problems facing families there do not stop at the boundary of a state portfolio. Welfare policy, employment policy, Commonwealth funded services and, of course, our shared commitment to closing the gap involve the Commonwealth. When the Prime Minister called the crisis in Western Australia 'a Western Australian issue' and referred questions to the Minister for Indigenous Australians, he was wrong to suggest that the Commonwealth had no part to play. He is the Prime Minister for all Australians. He should have gone to South Hedland to listen to the families and the elders. Well, Prime Minister, it's not too late.</para>
<para>The coalition insisted, and it's great to see that Minister McCarthy went to South Hedland. She said that she went to hear about the Indigenous children's experiences, and then she singled out food security, an issue in her portfolio, as the No. 1 thing that she could look into. Was food security really what the community most urgently wanted her to hear about or was it simply the issue that she was ready to hear about? I ask because, just a week earlier, I was in South Hedland with Julian Leeser, the shadow minister for Indigenous Australians, and our WA colleagues Nick Goiran MLC and Neil Thomson MLC. The people we met there were desperate to talk about the risks for their children, the harm that they were seeing and the help that they had not yet seen arrive.</para>
<para>Those concerns took me to Frisby Court. I went there twice, once at night and then once again during the day. The house was empty, the family had been moved and out the front was an abandoned car. Along the road, there was shattered glass, and, across the pathways, there were shopping trolleys and rubbish. The house had been cleaned up. But that does not tell us where those 15 children are and whether they are safe. This is not a home that was hidden away. It's an easy walk from the main shopping centre, right in the centre of town.</para>
<para>The community had raised concerns. In fact, one of the elders told us that they could think of another 15 homes just like it. I first worked in this region nearly 20 years ago, and going back and hearing the same concerns was confronting. Twenty years is long enough for a child to grow up and to have children of their own, yet the cycle remains: warnings raised, action delayed, families left waiting. We cannot accept another generation growing up in this way. We must act, and acting means being prepared to look at what has worked.</para>
<para>Before entering parliament, I spent 10 years working in the Indigenous employment space, and during that time I had the opportunity to see the cashless debit card established. I saw it make a tangible, real difference. I saw the change that it made within the community. It put food on the table and it helped households meet their needs while reducing the money that was being lost on alcohol, drugs and gambling. It was in place in Ceduna, the Goldfields and East Kimberley, and I saw the tangible difference that it made in those communities. After it was removed, many of the problems that it had helped were restored. The government could have examined what was working, they could have looked at what could be fixed and fixed it, and then they could have kept the policy available for communities. Instead, one of its first priorities was to legislate the card out of existence. In fact, I believe it was the first legislation that came through this place after this government won the election.</para>
<para>Some Port Hedland leaders had called for the cashless debit card to be put into their town. But, because of the government's action in removing that, it was not a viable option. The government's very own internal reporting, released through FOI just last week, records community members saying they wanted the CDC and valued the support that was being provided. The CDC was working for communities that needed it. The government should have listened, and it should listen now. The CDC needs to come back and be put back on the table, and we need to have a look at whether this could help vulnerable communities and vulnerable Australians right across the country.</para>
<para>In South Hedland and communities like it, the test of any government response is whether children are safer, whether families are supported and whether there are tangible outcomes. Dollars allocated, programs announced and policies abolished mean little if the same problems keep returning.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Cybersafety</title>
          <page.no>34</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ANANDA-RAJAH</name>
    <name.id>290544</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I notice we have a lot of children in the gallery. This speech is very much for them, and it's for their parents and carers right around Australia. There is a taboo in our country that is targeting our children, and we need to speak its name. Thousands of boys and young men are suffering in silence, stigmatised and ashamed, after falling prey to sextortion. This is sexual extortion and blackmail in response to image based abuse. Sextortion is one of the fastest-growing online crimes we face. A national study found that one in 10 Australian adolescents have experienced it, with over half occurring before the age of 16&#x2014;children. Our kids are being targeted by this.</para>
<para>In the second half of last year, our eSafety Commissioner received more than 2,200 complaints of sexual extortion, and victims are overwhelmingly male. Nine in 10 victims of sexual extortion, or sextortion, are either young men or boys. It heavily affects those in the 18- to 24-year-old age group. That is the danger age, as well as kids under 16. It's part of the reason why the Albanese Labor government introduced the social media delay, which kicks in from the age of 16. We need to protect and shield our children from these kinds of harm, because these harms are driving our kids, but especially our boys, towards depression, anxiety and, worse, suicidality.</para>
<para>This is how the playbook works. A boy is contacted online by someone posing as a friend, a peer or a young woman. They may also pose as a celebrity or a social media influencer and set up a lookalike social media account to make the child believe that they're interacting with a real person. Kids may receive unsolicited 'friend' or 'follow' requests from unknown persons. They will ask personal questions like, 'How old are you?', 'Where do you go to school?' or 'Do you have any brothers and sisters?' They may ask for something in exchange for images from that child; they may offer likes or gaming codes in exchange for images. Some may even pretend to represent a company and tell the child or the young person that they have the potential to become a model or a social media influencer, and the child is asked to send photos. Other warning signs are getting a direct message on one app and then being asked to continue chatting in another app, or that English may be a second language to this person&#x2014;in other words, the language may not be crisp. The criminal might say that their webcam or microphone are not working on video calls or chats&#x2014;so there's no real way of confirming the identity of the person on the other side. Then the criminal says that they promise to delete your content. However, once the images are shared, things take a turn for the worse, with escalating threats: 'Pay up or these pictures will go to your family, to your friends, to your school, to everyone who follows you on social media'&#x2014;because they harvest your contacts from social media. Increasingly, criminals are using AI to fabricate images that were never even real&#x2014;in other words, using nudify apps, which we have banned.</para>
<para>This is the business model of organised crime. Shame is weaponised to make millions. But the consequences are driving our boys to the brink and sending families to the brink. If you think you are a victim, or you know someone who is a victim of sextortion, do stop the chat. Do take screenshots of the text and the profile. Do block the account and report it to the platform. Do get support from a trusted friend, family member or professional support services. Call the kids helpline, for example. Get onto the eSafety Commissioner's website and request a takedown. They have a 98 per cent success rate. Contact the Australian Centre to Counter Child Exploitation, ACCCE, which is run by the AFP, the Australian Federal Police. They will catch these crooks. Don't send any more images or pay as this will lead to more demands. Don't respond to the demands. Shut this down and, most importantly, don't think that you are alone. You are not alone.</para>
<para>It is important that we back our boys and our young men to speak up, because speaking up robs this crime of its shame and stigma. It's important for all Australians to be upstanders and to support our boys and our girls. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
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          <title>Baird, Hon. Bruce George, AM</title>
          <page.no>35</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>For those of us in the New South Wales Liberal Party, the passing of the Hon. Bruce Baird is deeply felt. Bruce gave much of himself to our party and its people, and we have lost a much-loved friend, a generous mentor and someone whose belief in public service helped others find their own place in it. Across two parliaments, Bruce made a contribution of lasting national significance.</para>
<para>Elected as the member for Northcott in 1984, he served in the Greiner and Fahey governments, holding major responsibilities in transport, roads and tourism and serving as the Deputy Leader of the New South Wales Liberal Party. As Minister for Sydney's Olympic bid, he helped secure one of the greatest sporting achievements in our nation's history. Australians still speak with extraordinary affection about Sydney 2000. Behind those memories were years of work by people, including Bruce, who believed Australia could do something remarkable and committed themselves to making it happen. We should remember his part in giving our country that opportunity.</para>
<para>As the federal member for Cook from 1998 to 2007, Bruce brought experience and moral courage to this parliament. His advocacy helped secure changes that allowed children and families to leave immigration detention. There are people whose lives were changed because he was prepared to listen to their circumstances and argue their case, including within his own party, where it is at times the hardest.</para>
<para>I wish to associate myself with and share the comments made by the Hon. Julie Bishop during her eulogy at Bruce's funeral service on Monday. She said: 'He was entitled to hope for a ministerial promotion in Canberra, but it was not to be. Some said it was because of the stance he took against the government's asylum seeker policies and human rights and humanitarian issues, and it cost him the ministry. I say his absence cost the ministry.'</para>
<para>His commitment to these causes continued after he left parliament through his leadership of the Refugee Resettlement Advisory Council and his work as patron of the Asylum Seekers Centre. He also continued championing Australian tourism, including leading the Tourism &amp; Transport Forum during the industry's recovery from the pandemic. His willingness to serve endured throughout his life. Within our own party, the memories of Bruce will also be deeply personal. Young aspiring Liberals found in Bruce someone who took an interest in them and wanted them to succeed. He gave his time and shared the wisdom he gained in public life with people who were only beginning theirs.</para>
<para>Bruce didn't find it difficult to show compassion. Those who sought his support could find an understanding ear, direct and honest guidance and a generosity that made challenges ahead feel more manageable. We owe him an enormous debt for that. At a time when the very principles of democracy are being threatened, we should recognise the value of a life lived this way and the lasting impacts of a person who demonstrates servant leadership. Bruce strengthened our democracy through his achievements, through the humanity he brought to difficult debates and through his determination to encourage others to participate. He showed us how to hold our convictions firmly while treating others with respect. His example gives us a standard to aspire to. To the Baird family I offer my deepest condolences and heartfelt thanks for all that Bruce gave to our country. He'll be missed and remembered with lasting affection.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Raise Our Voice in Parliament, St John Ambulance Australia</title>
          <page.no>36</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CAROL BROWN</name>
    <name.id>F49</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm honoured to be part of the Raise Our Voice in Parliament campaign. Raise Our Voice is a fantastic initiative that provides young people from across Australia with the opportunity to engage with political leaders on issues that matter to them. I'm delighted to read out the following speech from Emily from my home state of Tasmania. Hello, Emily:</para>
<para>'One significant issue that shapes my future is the ongoing struggle for LGBTQ+ rights and acceptance. Pride is far more than a colourful celebration of 'love is love'. It is a crucial platform for addressing the fear, discrimination and marginalisation that queer individuals face daily. In Australia, as in many other countries, certain proposed laws threaten the safety and dignity of LGBTQ+ people. This environment of prejudice and ignorance can feel like a prison, trapping many in cycles of despair and homelessness. To combat this, I urge parliament to take meaningful, lasting action. Comprehensive education and awareness programs must be implemented to challenge harmful stereotypes and promote genuine inclusivity. By providing accurate information and embracing diverse perspectives, we can foster a society that truly respects all individuals regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. This approach not only uplifts the LGBTQ+ community but strengthens and enriches the entire nation.' Thank you Emily.</para>
<para>On another issue, on Monday, I was proud to co-host the Parliamentary Friends of St John Ambulance Australia breakfast with my co-chair, Senator Andrew McLachlan, CSC. The event highlighted the role of the automated external defibrillator, AED, in creating safer, better prepared communities. Speakers were Cameron Oxley, the chancellor of St John Ambulance, and Mark Molloy, a highly experienced ACT Ambulance Service intensive-care paramedic and St John volunteer. They reinforced a clear message: cardiac arrest can happen anywhere to anyone and without warning. Around 32,000 out-of-hospital cardiac arrests occur in Australia each year, and every minute without a defib reduces the chance of survival by about 10 per cent. The response must be immediate&#x2014;call triple zero, begin CPR, and use an AED. Modern devices provide clear prompts and deliver a shock only when required.</para>
<para>St John also showcased at the breakfast its pocket AED, Australia's smallest big thing. Weighing less than 700 grams and about the size of a soft drink can, it can fit in a bag, glove box or jacket pocket, bringing lifesaving technology closer to the community. This work has a clear impact. In my home state last year, through its community safety defibrillator grant program, St John Tasmania placed four free community AEDs at Home Base, the Middleton fire brigade, Lake Leake Inn and, for the Tasmanian Junior Beekeepers, the Coal Valley bee hub. Each installation was supported by CPR and AED education, giving local people both access to equipment and confidence to use it. The devices were also registered with GoodSAM and the Tasmanian AED register so their locations are visible to the community and emergency responders.</para>
<para>Through First Aid Without Barriers, St John Tasmania has also delivered AED awareness sessions for aged-care residents, people with disability, culturally and linguistically diverse communities and rural, regional and remote Tasmanians. Lifesaving knowledge and equipment should be accessible regardless of age, background, ability or postcode. Early action saves lives. By improving access to AEDs and building communities' skills, we can give more Australians the best chance of surviving cardiac arrest. I urge Australians to learn CPR, know where their nearest AED is and be ready to act when every second counts.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Ovarian Cancer</title>
          <page.no>36</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHITEAKER</name>
    <name.id>316555</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Ten years ago I participated for the first time in Frocktober, and this year I am bringing it to parliament. Frocktober is a fundraiser for the Ovarian Cancer Research Foundation, and there are lots of ways you can participate. This month, I'm wearing a dress every single day in the month of October. We're about almost halfway through the campaign. We're at day 14 today, and every day I'm sharing a fact about ovarian cancer to raise awareness about the symptoms and about why we desperately need an early detection test and to shine a light on this really awful, deadly cancer. I want to thank the Ovarian Cancer Research Foundation and the leadership of their CEO, Robin Penty, who have been big advocates and running a tremendous Frocktober campaign this month. They are always an excellent advocate for women and women's health and research into not just ovarian cancer but other gynaecological cancers too.</para>
<para>Ovarian cancer is the most deadly of gynaecological cancers in Australia. The five-year survival rate&#x2014;that is the women who are diagnosed who live beyond five years&#x2014;is well below 50 per cent. Less than 50 per cent of women who are diagnosed with ovarian cancer now will be alive in five years. That is a terrible number. Every year, around 1,800 Australian women are diagnosed with ovarian cancer. That means more than a thousand of them will not be alive in five years. It's truly devastating. The reason that ovarian cancer is so deadly is that the symptoms are vague. We know, through the work that many in this place, including my good friend Senator Marielle Smith, have done on women's health, that too often women's health and women's pain are dismissed and ignored. I think ovarian cancer is just another example of where that falls down. Most women are diagnosed in the very late stages of the disease. It's already progressed and spread beyond the ovaries and fallopian tubes to other parts of the body. That means it's much harder to treat. But, when it is caught early, the outlook for women is far better.</para>
<para>One of the misconceptions that many people have about ovarian cancer is that cervical screening tests for ovarian cancer, but it doesn't. It's a great early detection test for cervical cancer&#x2014;we've seen really significant improvements in that space&#x2014;but it doesn't test for ovarian cancer. I really want to shine a light today on what the symptoms of ovarian cancer are so that women can be on the lookout for them. I think the most important message is that, if something is not right&#x2014;if you have pelvic pain, persistent bloating, changes in bowel movements, unexpected or unexplained weight loss, feeling full quickly after eating, needing to go to the bathroom more often&#x2014;go and talk to your GP because, as women, we're inclined to push it aside. We're inclined to think that pelvic pain is normal. It might just be period pain or maybe it's endo or maybe it's something else. We think, 'Oh, we'll deal with that later.' But the lesson here, when it comes to ovarian cancer, is that it could be something more serious. Hopefully not&#x2014;chances are it's not. But if something is not right and if you are experiencing symptoms that I've outlined, then go and talk to your doctor. You know your body better than anybody else, and advocating for yourself is really important.</para>
<para>We have seen some small improvement in survival rates for ovarian cancer over the past few decades, and there have been advances in treatment and care, but the progress has been really slow. Survival rates, detection tests and treatment options for women with ovarian cancer really haven't changed much at all in my lifetime. For breast cancer, the five-year survival rate is now well over 90 per cent. That shows us what is possible when research investment is made into women's health care. It shows how far we've still got to go on ovarian cancer. That is what the Ovarian Cancer Research Foundation is all about&#x2014;finding an early detection test so that more women can be diagnosed early so that we lose fewer women, hopefully no women, to this terrible disease. I'm really proud to be participating in Frocktober again this month, and I encourage you all to donate.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Child Abuse</title>
          <page.no>37</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator THORPE</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Albanese government has shown it can act to protect children when it has the political will. After <inline font-style="italic">Four Corners</inline> exposed serious abuse in the childcare sector, the federal government responded rapidly with national reforms. It strengthened funding and compliance powers, introduced legislation, established a national worker register and brought the states and territories into line. The Commonwealth government understood that, even though states and territories regulate child care, it had a responsibility to act. Albanese did not simply point to the states and territories and walk away. He used his immense power to drive change and protect these children. So why aren't we seeing that same urgency for the thousands of children being harmed daily in the child protection system?</para>
<para>I hear a child in the gallery&#x2014;and it's fitting that we have a child that's speaking in this chamber as well today! But, right now, children in residential care are being targeted by paedophiles, groomed and sexually exploited. Children are being trafficked, exposed to drug networks and subjected to violence, in settings where governments have put them&#x2014;supposedly, for their own safety. Terrifyingly, many are taking their own lives under government supervision.</para>
<para>But, instead of acting with the same urgency they showed in response to abuse in child care, the Albanese government are doing everything they can to avoid responsibility for this crisis. Why? Is it because these children are generally poor, or because so many are Aboriginal? How can Albanese see what is happening and turn his back? That's why I'm calling for a national inquiry into child protection. Those in this government need to face up to their responsibility to keep all children safe in this country, because right now they are doing everything they can to avoid scrutiny. Where has Minister Plibersek been in recent weeks following the revelations from the Pilbara, despite it being her portfolio? Why has Minister McCarthy been working to shut down the very inquiry I am proposing? And why has the Prime Minister repeatedly dismissed questions, instead of taking responsibility and showing leadership? That is exactly why we need this inquiry: to hold this government accountable and put the safety of children back in the national spotlight.</para>
<para>My inquiry would examine the Commonwealth's responsibilities and obligations, why existing national frameworks are failing and what the Commonwealth must do to drive change across every state and territory for every child in this country. I have the support of Aboriginal organisations, experts and families. But this is not just about black kids; it's about all children and families in this country who are struggling and being subjected to harm in government systems. Every year, hundreds of families contact my office, terrified for their children and with nowhere else to turn. Families are crying out for help and being ignored, until they reach crisis point. Governments know these children are at risk, yet families' calls for support go unanswered. Many children are left in very dangerous situations, and vast numbers are being removed from their families&#x2014;only to suffer immense harm in the government systems that are supposed to be there to protect them.</para>
<para>This is a national crisis&#x2014;it is happening across the country&#x2014;and it demands a national response. The Commonwealth does have a role to play. This inquiry will examine what role it should be and why the government is failing to fulfil it. We need to know why this crisis is continuing to get worse under Albanese and what his government must do to drive change.</para>
<para>I'm putting this to a vote tomorrow, and I am ready to work to establish this inquiry with anyone in this Senate who is prepared to take children's safety and wellbeing in this country seriously. Children and their families cannot wait. Every child who dies in government care&#x2014;and there have been many who have&#x2014;is one too many. And this government can stop it.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Internet Content</title>
          <page.no>38</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHITTEN</name>
    <name.id>317026</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The digital duty of care is the worst piece of antispeech legislation to ever see the light of day in this place&#x2014;maybe anywhere in the world. It is an affront to all Western, liberal democracies. It is a direct attack on the Australian people. I thank Michael Shellenberger and the Institute of Public Affairs for their tireless work exposing this blatant attack on free speech. The exposure draft was so bad that the US embassy took the extraordinary step of weighing in on the consultation. Our most important ally was deeply troubled by this bill. I've asked the eSafety Commissioner before whether she worries about upsetting American relations with her tireless censorship efforts. Is this clear enough now for her? The first draft was so extreme that Labor is frantically backpedalling on the naked powers of Minister Wells to define harm itself as anything she doesn't like. That single change does not make this bill remotely palatable. I said in my maiden speech that I'm a free speech absolutist, and I stand by that today. The exposure draft and its draconic provisions fly in the face of the free speech that I cherish.</para>
<para>The bill extends to the vast majority of online services, an extremely broad group of providers that extends well past social media to websites, hosting services, search engines, app stores, messaging services and more. It would require these services to police their platforms for anything that could cause harm or risk a $109.2 million fine. The fine that large to ensure they will be heavy handed, not lenient, on free speech. Platforms will overcomply. They will strip lawful speech rather than risk the fine. Your right to be heard in the public town square fall will to a risk assessment made by online platforms, weighing up your right to speak against $110 million fine. Sadly, I don't like the average punter's chances. Platforms are noncompliant if they fail to address seriously harmful material and conduct. Included in that definition is material or conduct that encourages, promotes, urges or instructs abhorrent violent conduct. These definitions matter. The Left love the mantra that words are violence. How long until an activist judge rules that something said online that they simply do not like meets that test? A red line must be drawn on free speech, and it must sit on the side of letting people speak.</para>
<para>That is not the only problem we have seen in the bill. Buried in the exposure draft are the so-called sock-puppet provisions. They allow the eSafety Commissioner or an approved researcher to legally create an unlimited number of false or fictitious identities online. The draft calls them sock-puppets&#x2014;cuddly little fellas here to help out. Let us call them what they are: government sanctioned propaganda bots. These bots are given the power to carry out any of the commissioner's functions or powers under the act, despite anything to the contrary in any other law and with civil immunity, for the purported exercise of the power. That is a very wide and ever-widening scope. How long until these false identities are used to generate false consensus, to nod along to the current government position, to shout people down online when they disagree with the approved government line&#x2014;maybe it wasn't safe or effective&#x2014;or to scare ordinary Australians into silence because they no longer know whether the person arguing with them is a government agent. Some of this may sound far off, but we saw what the government's hell-bent consensus can do to free speech during COVID. Thank goodness for Elon Musk and the Twitter files for bringing the levels of government coercion and cancellation into the light. It is telling that Labor wants to introduce legalised government bots. Let that sink in. After all, it was a Labor government in WA that accused One Nation of mobilising an army of bots in our crushing win in Secret Harbour. What are the chances Labor throws around these accusations while working towards the very thing it accuses others of doing?</para>
<para>This legislation is unworkable. It's undemocratic. It is thoroughly broken. It will hurt everyday Australians who want to speak their minds online without a bureaucrat deciding what is safe. It will also hurt our international relations at a time when we need them most. Labor, I know you do not have many friends online. Have you stopped to think that maybe it's just you? One Nation will keep fighting for the right of hardworking Australians to speak freely, without Canberra deciding the limits on their words, now and forever. Free speech is not optional. It is for the people in this place to decide what their fellow citizen can say. Every one of you in here is here to serve the Australian people&#x2014;to make their lives better. How can you expect to know what the Australian people need if you are silencing them? Shame on you, Labor.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Tasmania: Orphan Schools</title>
          <page.no>39</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DOWLING</name>
    <name.id>55842</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Earlier this month, I stood at St Johns Park in New Town, Hobart for the unveiling of Rowan Gillespie's replacement of his sculpture . The two bronze children represent William and Mary Ann Butler. Their story begins in County Carlow, Ireland. In 1845, their mother, Margaret Butler, a widow with six children, was sentenced to seven years transportation for stealing potatoes. Only two of her children travelled with her to Van Diemen's Land: William, aged 10, and Mary Ann, aged just two. Within days William was sent to the Male Orphan School, and Mary Ann went to the Female Orphan School several months later. The word 'orphan' conceals much of what happened here. These children had a mother. They had committed no crime. But the convict system decided where they would live and whether they would remain with their family. William was eventually sent across Bass Strait to Port Phillip. Mary Ann was later released back to her mother. Then, in 1855, tragedy struck again. Margaret was beaten to death by her second husband, who was later imprisoned for manslaughter. Mary Ann was 11. A month later, she was sent back to the orphan school. By then, William was long gone.</para>
<para>Then something quite remarkable happened. Somehow William and Mary Ann found each other again. Think about what that meant in the 19th century. There was no telephone, no internet and no searchable database. They'd been separated as children and sent in entirely different directions. We don't know exactly how they found each other, but we know that they did. After the system tore them apart, William and Mary Ann found a way back to each other.</para>
<para>Between 1828 and 1879, nearly 6,000 children passed through orphan schools in New Town. Most were the children of convicts. Nearly 2,000 had arrived in Van Diemen's Land with their mothers. At least 45 Aboriginal children are now known to have been institutionalised there, and more than 400 children died while in the institution's care. That is confronting history, but that is Australian history. The surviving orphan school buildings, St John's church, the burial ground and the wider precinct give that history a physical presence.</para>
<para>That is why I support National Heritage listing of the orphan schools and associated historic places at St Johns Park. The Friends of the Orphan Schools lodged the nomination in April 2023. More than three years later, the precinct is still not on the current finalised priority assessment list. I think it is time to move. I am calling for this nomination to be prioritised, brought into formal assessment and progressed to the National Heritage listing. The statutory process should be respected, but in my view the destination should be clear. This place belongs on the National Heritage List.</para>
<para>I particularly acknowledge Dr Dianne Snowden AM, the Friends of the Orphan Schools and the From the Shadows group. Dianne has spent years researching these children, helping descendants recover their stories and making sure this history is not lost. This story is personal for Dianne. William Butler was Dianne's great-great-grandfather. I also acknowledge the extraordinary community response after the original sculptures were stolen and destroyed for scrap metal last year. Around $60,000 was raised towards their replacement, and Rowan Gillespie immediately committed to replacing them.</para>
<para>There is also a powerful Irish connection running through this story. Margaret, William and Mary Ann came from Ireland. Rowan Gillespie is an Irish sculptor. The replacement sculpture was created in Dublin before making its way to Hobart. It was fitting that Australia's former ambassador to Ireland, Gary Gray, was joined by Ireland's consul general for Victoria and Tasmania, Marie-Claire Hughes, for the unveiling in New Town, Hobart, and it was great to see the consul general and Ambassador Fiona Flood in this building yesterday to celebrate 80 years of diplomatic relations&#x2014;two countries, half a world apart, connected through the lives of a family transported here more than two centuries ago.</para>
<para>We cannot change what happened to these children, but we can decide whether the place where it happened is protected, understood and remembered. For too long they were out of sight and out of mind. The sculptures have brought William and Mary Ann back into view. Now it is time to give the place that holds their story the national recognition that it deserves.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>International Relations</title>
          <page.no>40</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BABET</name>
    <name.id>300706</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Australia's foreign policy should be guided by a simple question: does this benefit Australia? If something benefits Australia, we should do it. If something does not benefit Australia, well, heck, we should not do it. If something we were doing no longer benefits Australia, let's stop doing it&#x2014;simple guidelines for acting in the national interest, but, apparently difficult to understand for some people. Watching how our government behaves&#x2014;it's like I'm trying to explain quantum physics to them. As a nation, we should be wary of entanglements that cost us billions, weaken our economy and make life harder for Australian families, especially when those entanglements are done in a pursuit of some grand moral gesture whose only purpose, as far as I can tell, is to make our political class feel better about itself.</para>
<para>Take Russia as a perfect example. We're told that Russia must not be allowed a sphere of influence, yet the United States has a sphere of influence. China has a sphere of influence. Australia has our own interests in this region here that we expect other powers to respect, but, when it comes to Russia, apparently the rules of international relations cease to apply. Having a sphere of influence doesn't mean that you can just have a blank cheque to invade your neighbours. That's not what I'm saying. But pretending that great powers don't have security interests or that those interests can simply be wished away isn't foreign policy. It's just fantasy. The world, not least of all the Russians, were assured that NATO would not move one inch further eastward, and yet NATO did move closer towards the Russian border.</para>
<para>We don't have to approve of President Vladimir Putin to recognise that diplomacy requires understanding the other side's interests. Indeed, that is generally the point of diplomacy, and we don't have to agree with Russia to trade with Russia where it suits our national interests. Australia is not obliged to impoverish its own citizens to demonstrate its supposed moral superiority to the globalist class. I've asked Minister Wong whether Australia should consider importing Russian fuel if doing so were in our national interest and if it helped bring down the cost for Australian families. Her response was to accuse me of supporting President Putin's regime and say that my position was a disgrace. I was asking a very simple question. If buying Russian fuel would benefit Australians, why would we refuse to do it? It's madness.</para>
<para>President Trump understands this. He is putting America first, and he has done a deal with Russia to increase diesel supply because Americans are hurting and fuel prices matter. Why can't Australia just do the same? Why are Australian families expected to pay more at the bowser? I'll tell you why. It's because our political class wants to impress globalists over a conflict on the other side of the world that has nothing to do with us at the expense of ordinary Aussies. Enough of this.</para>
<para>On a side note, the deeper motive could be strategic, using energy trade as leverage over Moscow, encouraging a Ukraine settlement, weakening Russia's dependence on China and shifting from sanctions towards transactional diplomacy, but that's beyond the scope of this piece here today.</para>
<para>The job of the Australian government is not to win applause overseas. The job of the Australian government is to look after Australians first. If Russia can sell us diesel and bring down the costs for everyone here in this country, then we should just do a deal. It really is that simple. We need to act in our own national interests first. Australian families are struggling. Businesses are struggling. Farmers, truck drivers and manufacturers are all paying more, and higher fuel costs flow into the price of everything else. We need to cut the rubbish. We need to stop putting foreign interests ahead of our own. We need to stop impoverishing Australians to satisfy a globalist class that does not care about us, and we need to do what President Trump is doing, which is put our own country first, like he's putting America first. It is about time that this government grew a spine, did a deal and just got on with it.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Social Media</title>
          <page.no>40</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator TYRRELL</name>
    <name.id>300639</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Seventy per cent of young people get their news from social media. For an entire generation, social media isn't just entertainment. It's where they learn about the world, form opinions and, increasingly, engage with politics, and that should matter to all of us, because young, impressionable people are learning about politics through algorithms that aren't designed to inform them but are designed to keep them scrolling. Right now, One Nation is actively recruiting young people, not with policy&#x2014;we know they have none&#x2014;but with grievance. They use fast, emotional and algorithm-friendly content to draw young people in and feed them misinformation. We know that the algorithm rewards cheaply made rage bait with the most clicks online, and this is exactly what One Nation is using to grab people's attention. Our democracy shouldn't be at the mercy of AI made memes and misinformation that spreads simply because it makes people angry. But the answer isn't to tell young people to switch off from politics; it's the absolute opposite.</para>
<para>I've spoken with young people in Tassie who tell me they don't want to ignore politics. They want to understand the issues that affect their lives. They want to have a say in their future. And social media can help with that. It can make politics more accessible than ever before. But there is a very large difference between using social media to get people involved in politics and allowing algorithms to decide what political content they see. We should encourage the first and regulate the second, because, when algorithms reward outrage, misinformation and division, reasonable political discussions can get drowned out.</para>
<para>We cannot and will not respond to that by becoming louder and angrier. Instead, our government is increasingly using social media to explain policy, challenge misinformation and give young people a reason to engage with politics in the first place. That's the positive role social media can play in our democracy. But it's also why the government's My Feed, My Way reform matters. Under the digital duty of care, Australians will have greater choice over their default social media feed. They could continue using an algorithm to shape their feed, or they could choose to see content from the friends and creators they've actually chosen to follow. That's not about the government deciding what Australians can see; it's about Australians deciding for themselves. It doesn't tell people what political opinions they can hold. It doesn't tell them which party they can support. It gives people a choice about how their feed is made. It gives people back control.</para>
<para>Misinformation is deliberately made for clicks, and dangerous, hateful content is rewarded because it gets people engaged. We have to question whether that's really the kind of online environment we want, especially for our kids. That's why protecting children and protecting democracy are not separate conversations. Australia has already taken action to protect under-16s from social media accounts and the harmful design features that come with it. Now, we need to make the online environment safer for everyone, and that means putting responsibility back on the tech companies that design these systems.</para>
<para>We shouldn't be asking whether social media is good or bad. We should be asking what we want it to do. Do we want it to push people into increasingly extreme bubbles? Do we want it to reward whoever can produce the angriest 30-second video? Or do we want it to help Australians understand their communities, engage with their democracy and hear from people they've actually chosen to follow? I know which kind of social media I want to see&#x2014;one where kids can engage with politics without being manipulated, one where misinformation can be challenged rather than spread, one where healthy debate happens based on sources you trust, not an unknown algorithm, one where children are protected and one where Australians, not big tech, control their feeds.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Liberal Party of Australia</title>
          <page.no>41</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GREEN</name>
    <name.id>259819</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>With the small amount of time available to me before we start two-minute statements, I thought I'd pose the question to the chamber: Who is the opposition leader at the moment? Who is leading the Liberal Party at the moment? Of course, we've got Angus Taylor, who supposedly is leading the Liberal Party, but we've got Andrew Hastie stalking from the back, and, last night, on <inline font-style="italic">7</inline><inline font-style="italic">.</inline><inline font-style="italic">30</inline>, we had Mr Frydenberg declaring that he didn't not want to be Prime Minister one day. So clearly we've got another opposition leader out there leading the Liberal Party down the drain.</para>
<para>We know that Mr Frydenberg was not only a terrible treasurer but also the worst possible energy minister that this country has ever had. There were 22 energy policies under Mr Frydenberg, under Mr Taylor, and they couldn't land a single one. They couldn't land a single energy policy. Neither of these gentlemen deserves to be the prime minister of this country. But I guess we'll never know. There might be more leaders-in-waiting for the Liberal Party. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e5x</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It being 1.30, we will now proceed to two-minute statements.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Raise Our Voice in Parliament</title>
          <page.no>41</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to share the words of Charlotte, who is an 11-year-old who participated in the Raise Our Voice in Parliament campaign. Here's what Charlotte wanted to say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Shaping young people's future is the price of living. For many people cannot afford a house. Because 82% of people can't afford to buy a house in Melbourne.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It makes me so worried that so many people are struggling just to have a roof over their head.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In the lead up to this current crisis factors like severe shortage of new housing supply are very low.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In 2014, the average house in Melbourne cost $615,000 but now it costs $1,030,000! That is almost two times more expensive!</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Because houses cost way too much, families are forced into a terrible choice: they must sacrifice buying essential things like food so they can pay for their home.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It is really scary to think that by the time it is 2040 a house could cost around two million dollars.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Together we can shape this future!</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We can make prices go down by building a lot more houses so there are enough for everyone.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We need to take action so when children are older they can turn their dream of owning a house into a reality.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That's why we need to take action now &#x2026; and make housing cheaper.!</para></quote>
<para>Well, that was Charlotte&#x2014;the voice of an 11-year-old. Clearly, this is an issue that is affecting multiple generations, and they are younger and younger every day. Charlotte, the coalition agrees with you. We do need to build more homes so that young Australians like you can realise their dreams of homeownership, because every young Australian deserves the opportunity to work hard, to save for a deposit and to look forward to a future where owning a home is within reach.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Raise Our Voice in Parliament</title>
          <page.no>42</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHITEAKER</name>
    <name.id>316555</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It's been really heartwarming to hear over the last few days speeches, delivered by my colleagues, from young people right across Australia. What an impressive group of young people we have! Raise Our Voice is a campaign that gives young Australians the chance to have their speeches heard on a national stage. This year, it asks them, 'What is one big issue shaping your future, and what is meaningful action you want parliament to take?'</para>
<para>I'm going to share the words of a very impressive young woman from Western Australia, Amelia, who is 10. She says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Have you ever really thought about gender equality? We love to talk about the 'fair go' in this country, but the truth is, we aren't delivering it equally yet.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Look at the facts. The average Australian woman still takes home less pay than a man for doing the exact same job. On top of that, women still shoulder the vast majority of unpaid childcare and housework. That is not a fair go; that is an old-fashioned system holding us back.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This isn't about pitting men against women. True equality lifts all of us up. It means a young girl growing up in Australia can aim for the top job without a second thought. It also means a dad can take time off work to be with his newborn baby without worrying about what his mates or boss might think.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Fixing this doesn't just make social sense, it makes economical sense. We need to modernise our workplaces, support working parents and close that stubborn pay gap for good. Let's work together to build an Australia where your gender never decides your pay-cheque or potential.</para></quote>
<para>Wow&#x2014;what powerful words, Amelia! Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share your words in the Senate. I hope one day we'll see Amelia and many of the young people who've had their words shared this week making their own speeches in this parliament.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Football League Grand Final</title>
          <page.no>42</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ALLMAN-PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>298839</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Congratulations to the Brisbane Lions for another trio of premierships&#x2014;the second three-peat in the club's history and only the seventh in the history of the league. The final four minutes of the grand final are already the stuff of legend. Seventeen points down, with 'wharfie time' ringing in their ears, the Lions, staring down defeat, produced something magical. First, Charlie Cameron pounced on a Will Ashcroft kick, turning and curling the ball through the uprights&#x2014;11 points down. Next, Zac Bailey in heavy traffic snapped a goal out of nothing&#x2014;five points down. Then Lachie Neale booted the ball upfield, where Hugh McCluggage gathered it and sent it forward to Logan Morris, who calmly slotted it through the middle&#x2014;64 seconds left, up by one. In the final minute, the Dockers had a chance to pinch the win, but in a mad scramble the ball ended up in the hands of the omnipresent Will Ashcroft, who dashed his way forward to set up Logan Morris again for the goal that iced the win.</para>
<para>The devastation of the Fremantle Dockers and their fans&#x2014;sorry, Senator Steele-John&#x2014;who are still searching for their first premiership, is something that all sports fans can relate to. Being a sports fan can be cruel and heartbreaking, but, at its best, sport unites and inspires us, transcending divisions and demonstrating that great things are possible when we all work together for a shared goal. Thanks to the departing players for their part in this epic achievement and to outgoing coach Chris Fagan, who has contributed so much to the club. Bring on 2027!</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Minister for Communications</title>
          <page.no>42</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Another day, another scandal involving the Albanese government's most frequent flyer&#x2014;and we've got the receipts. Last year, the Minster for Communications, Anika Wells&#x2014;Labor's Deirdre Chambers&#x2014;billed taxpayers $4,000 for business class flights to Adelaide for a trip which conveniently coincided with her friend's birthday. What a coincidence! When questioned, the minister claimed she had an official meeting with South Australian Labor minister Chris Picton on the afternoon in question. According to Minister Wells, an early engagement ran over time, so this official meeting was pushed back to a sidebar at the 40th birthday party of Minister Picton's wife held in a pub. Apparently this meeting concluded at 7.45 pm, so the minister simply had to stay the night&#x2014;just in time for the birthday cake and cocktails.</para>
<para>Well, I decided to investigate. I lodged an FOI request for Minister Picton's diary. Guess what. There is no record of an official meeting with Labor's Minister Wells&#x2014;none, zip&#x2014;not at the birthday party and not earlier in the day. So, is she telling the truth? If an official ministerial meeting had genuinely been scheduled, why wasn't it recorded in his diary? Why has the minister continued to refuse to answer questions concerning this misuse of taxpayers' money? This is the same minister who has already had to repay $10,000 back for wrongly claimed travel expenses. This is the same minister who billed taxpayers to take her family on a ski trip. This is the same minister who blew $118,000 on a trip to New York. The minister treats taxpayers' money like her own. Well, actually she just treats taxpayers' money like it's someone else's money, which it is. It's time the Prime Minister sacked this incompetent, fiddling minister. Guess what. If it smells, it's Wells.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Sandcastles (Booja Mia) Children's Hospice</title>
          <page.no>43</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GHOSH</name>
    <name.id>257613</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Last week, I was honoured to attend the opening of WA's first children's hospice, Sandcastles (Booja Mia), an important facility that will provide care, comfort and support to Western Australian families caring for children with life-limiting conditions. These families carry an extraordinary burden as they navigate complex medical care, long hospital stays and significant disruptions to family life. By bringing together specialist care, respite services and family support in one facility, Sandcastles will provide a safe and nurturing environment for these children and their families during extraordinarily difficult times.</para>
<para>It was clear that the success of the project is the result of remarkable partnerships between government, philanthropy, business and the wider community. The federal government contributed funding to the construction of the project alongside the Western Australian government, as well as a host of corporate and philanthropic partners, including Lotterywest, the Minderoo Foundation, Wesfarmers and Cancer Council WA. But I think what was particularly special and why it was particularly an honour for me to be there was that sense of community endeavour among those present&#x2014;the sense of success at having achieved something that will really improve the quality of people's lives in very difficult circumstances. That is to be commended.</para>
<para>I must acknowledge the hard work of the Perth Children's Hospital Foundation, who managed the project, particularly its CEO, Carrick Robinson, and chairman, the former senator Ian Campbell, who were both there at the conception of the facility and spent years overcoming challenges in order to see it constructed and now finally open. I congratulate everyone in bringing this project to life, and I know that their efforts will make a lasting difference to children and families across Western Australia.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>New South Wales State Election</title>
          <page.no>43</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BELL</name>
    <name.id>319142</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Whether it's Labor in Canberra or Labor in Macquarie Street, the socialists never miss an opportunity to put net zero ideology ahead of everyday Australians because Anthony Albanese is working hand in hand with Chris Minns and New South Wales Labor&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e5x</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator, can you please use the correct title for the Prime Minister.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BELL</name>
    <name.id>319142</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Prime Minister Anthony Albanese is working hand in hand with Chris Minns and New South Wales Labor on what I call the 'great koala con job', and everyday Australians end up paying the price. We have seen the consequences of Labor's budget mistakes and backflips, but it's the unintended consequences of these things that are even worse. When a sawmill closes, a timber business goes under or a skilled worker leaves town, you cannot just flick a switch and bring them back.</para>
<para>This week, the Minns government is pushing ahead with Labor's Great Koala National Park by introducing the legislation that will devastate North Coast communities and increasingly devastate our vulnerable hardwood timber supply chain. Labor is rushing to lock these decisions in before the next New South Wales election, leaving regional communities and the next government to deal with the consequences. Enough is enough. It is time for New South Wales to rise up and call out this rubbish. The upcoming New South Wales election will not just be a shuffling of the deck chairs.</para>
<para>This is an opportunity to put a broom through Macquarie Street, and One Nation's Mike Newman and our state candidates are standing up for regional communities, Australian industry and the workers whose livelihoods depend on them. They are challenging Labor's policies, demanding answers and making sure regional Australians have a voice. To every affected timber worker, contractor and business owner: make your voice heard because socialists and Labor need to understand that you don't save Australia by destroying jobs or industries. You save your jobs and your communities, and the people need to understand this: you will save your jobs and you will protect your communities and your future by voting One Nation. It is only One Nation who has the guts to stand up and take on these terrible Labor governments, be it in Canberra or Macquarie Street. You know that we are here for you, your jobs and your communities. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Biosecurity: Pineapple Imports</title>
          <page.no>44</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CANAVAN</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm sure as the weather gets warmer that many of us may enjoy a beautiful, fresh Australian pineapple, but many would not know that that great Australian industry is at risk from the Labor Party's plan to import pineapples from India and Indonesia before the minister right now. There's a well-developed plan at the moment within the Labor government to bring in pineapples from India and Indonesia and to do so in ways that put at risk the safety, health and viability of our great Australian pineapple industry.</para>
<para>This weekend, my local town of Yeppoon will celebrate Pinefest, a wonderful festival of a great Australian industry. Yeppoon and the Capricorn Coast account for about a third of our pineapples here in Australia, and I'm very proud to always go out and see the great work that those farmers do. This import plan puts at risk their livelihoods and all their jobs in it because India and Indonesia have diseases in their pineapple industry that are not here and could put our industry at grave risk, including diseases like exploding pineapple disease. That's what it's called. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be sitting around the Christmas table and having a pineapple explode. It doesn't seem particularly fun for me, but it will be much, much worse for our pineapple industry if those sorts of diseases come here.</para>
<para>Extraordinarily&#x2014;that disease's technical name is heart rot&#x2014;the government is saying to the pineapple industry, 'Don't worry, we've already got a form of heart rot here,' but it's a mild form that doesn't involve exploding incidents. There are other strains of this disease overseas in India and Indonesia that the government would be exposing us to if they let this in. Today, I stood with the pineapple industry to start a campaign, Protect Our Pineapples, and we have given a bottle of beautiful, fresh Australian pineapple juice to every Labor MP. I know another backflip would be hard to swallow for the Labor Party, but it will make it much sweeter to go down if you just scrap this plan to import pineapples from India and Indonesia&#x2014; <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Tertiary Education and Training</title>
          <page.no>44</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STEWART</name>
    <name.id>299352</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise today to welcome a significant investment in skills and training for regional Victoria. The Australian government is investing $2.46 million through the Mobile TAFE program. This investment will fund two mobile training units delivered by TAFE Gippsland SuniTAFE, bringing skills and training directly to regional communities. It forms part of a $31 million investment across Australia to help bridge the gap between regional communities and TAFE and training, while building the local workforce that our communities so desperately need. This investment recognises something regional communities have always known: talent is everywhere, but opportunity isn't always.</para>
<para>In north-west Victoria, distance can be one of the biggest barriers to training and education. The further you live from a major centre, the harder it can be to gain qualifications, build new skills or take up new opportunities. Mobile TAFE flips that model. Instead of asking people to travel to training, it takes training to where the people are. I particularly acknowledge SuniTAFE and the role it plays across north-west Victoria. Through this investment, SuniTAFE will partner with Mallee District Aboriginal Services to deliver foundation skills to support job readiness, construction, agriculture, land management and accredited training pathways. That partnership will bring training directly to communities, creating more opportunities for people to gain skills, build careers and connect with local employment opportunities.</para>
<para>In regional Victoria, where distance is often the biggest barrier to education and training, investments like Mobile TAFE will make a real difference on the ground. It means more people can gain qualifications closer to home, it means local businesses can access a skilled workforce that they need and it means young people can build their futures without feeling like they must leave their communities behind. It's good for communities across the Mallee and it's good for regional Victoria.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Migration</title>
          <page.no>44</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BLEYER</name>
    <name.id>25813</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In Australia, plenty of people like to buy a lotto ticket. But would you buy a lotto ticket for $1,000 when your chance of winning is slim to none? That's what this federal Labor government is doing to our backpackers&#x2014;making them pay $1,000 to go into a lotto, where they hope that they'll be pulled out of the ballot box to have the right to remain in Australia for one year to support our tourism and agricultural businesses. That's what this Labor government is doing to drive down the rate of backpackers. But what it is actually doing is driving down the number of our small businesses in this country.</para>
<para>Tasmania is 16 times more reliant on backpackers than other places in Australia, to support our tourism industry and our agricultural industry. As our national GrainGrowers organisation, who are here in parliament today, will tell us, our farmers depend on seasonal workers. They depend on backpackers to produce the food that we depend on.</para>
<para>Labor will soon bring about its cuts to backpackers based on the vibes of migration rather than the vibes of our businesses. Our businesses and the value of them are more important to the vibe on migration. Our small businesses and our farmers will be confronted with closing their doors, and this federal Labor government will be complicit in small businesses and our farmers no longer being able to serve or feed us. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Victoria: Social Cohesion</title>
          <page.no>45</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BABET</name>
    <name.id>300706</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>When I first heard reports that a jihadist had attempted to hijack a plane from Dubai, I had just one thought: somehow Melbourne's got to be involved in this story. And, sure enough, there it was: the hijacker was reportedly radicalised while studying at RMIT University in Melbourne and regularly attended a mosque associated with the university. Think about that for just one moment: Melbourne is now making international headlines because a terrorist was, according to reports, radicalised while studying there. Is anyone surprised? I'm not. The place is a dumpster.</para>
<para>For more than a decade, Labor has governed Melbourne as though social cohesion will simply take care of itself. We've seen extremists, radical activists, anarchists, Antifa, communists and every variety of hard-left agitator find fertile ground in that city. Show me someone that has a grievance, a chip on their shoulder or an axe to grind, and there's a fair chance they've spent at least some time in Labor-run Melbourne. Then we discover that Labor's federal home affairs department reportedly gave 60 grand to the Islamic Centre, where this hijacker allegedly encountered those who radicalised him. Victorian Labor gave the same organisation almost 400 grand. Government should not be spending any money whatsoever encouraging separate cultural enclaves while neglecting the one identity that identifies all of us: Australian. That's it.</para>
<para>If you come here, become a part of Australia. Adopt our customs and our way of life. Immigration must strengthen a nation, not slowly divide it into parallel societies with less and less holding them together. We don't need a dozen separate cultures competing under numerous flags here. We need one country, one people, one shared Australian identity. Melbourne deserves better. Australia deserves better. As I said yesterday, it's one nation or no nation.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Raise Our Voice in Parliament</title>
          <page.no>45</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WALSH</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Today I'm so pleased to read you a speech from Samia, an amazing young Victorian woman, as part of the Raise Our Voice in Parliament campaign. Here is what Samia had to say: 'Hi, my name is Samia. I'm 16 years old. I was born in Egypt and moved to Australia when I was five. I've grown up here. My friends are here, my school is here, my future is here and I'm an Australian citizen. I'm also Muslim. I'm proud of my Egyptian background, my religion and my family. But sometimes, even after living here for most of my life, I still feel like I have to prove that I belong. When politicians and public figures make comments that target migrants, Muslims or multiculturalism, those words don't just disappear when the speech ends; they reach people like me. They make us wonder: Do I really belong here? Am I Australian enough? And I don't think any 16-year-old should ever have to think that. This issue isn't just about me. Australia is home to the world's oldest continuing cultures, belonging to First Nations peoples and to millions of people whose families have come here from around the world. That's why I want parliament to strengthen Australia's protections against racism and Islamophobia and create clearer ways for young people to report and receive support when they experience it. I want an Australia where belonging isn't something you have to earn because of your religion, your skin colour, your culture or your parents' birthplace. I shouldn't have to choose between being Egyptian, Muslim and Australian. I am all three.'</para>
<para>Thank you, Samia, for sharing your speech.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Tasmania: Health Care, Tasmania: Aged Care, Tasmania: Hospitals</title>
          <page.no>45</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Tasmania has the oldest, poorest and sickest population in the country. As the Tasmanian Department of Health's own statistics report, we consistently rank among the lowest for health outcomes and recently had the lowest ranked emergency department in the country. When you have high rates of disability, greater socioeconomic disadvantage, and risk factors like physical inactivity, smoking and poor diet, you absolutely cannot have a public system that is not up to task.</para>
<para>Tasmania's public hospitals are overrun and underresourced. It is quite literally a matter of life and death. It was recently reported that there are around 97,000 entries across Tasmania's public health waiting lists. In a state of around 600,000 people, that means one in six are stuck waiting for care. You know what the department's solution was? They revised down their performance targets so that one in three elective surgery patients can wait longer than clinically recommended. What a solution! That's the best our bloody Liberal state parliamentarians have got down there.</para>
<para>Yes, an older population puts more pressure on our hospitals. The federal government also admitted there are not enough aged-care beds. Older Tasmanians who are ready to leave hospital are stuck waiting for an aged-care place, occupying beds that other patients seriously need. The federal government's plan to modernise the private health rebate is only going to make matters worse. Its bill will mean that more than three million older Australians pay significantly more for their private health insurance. These are people already struggling with higher interest rates, fuel costs and grocery bills. You know what will be one of the first things to go? Their private health insurance.</para>
<para>Tasmania's public hospital system is already not coping. Push even more patients into it and it will be absolutely stuffed. It's finished. This is why I and Senator Ruston will be moving to disallow these changes. Otherwise, they will put even more pressure on the public hospitals in Tasmania and across the country. Our public health system is already buckling under the pressure of an ageing population. We cannot under any circumstances afford to make it any worse.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Raise Our Voice in Parliament</title>
          <page.no>46</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator THORPE</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe. This speech has been written by Alarah, aged 12. Alarah says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Walawaani yanz ngai narri Alarah Dhurga Yuin.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">You've probably never heard that sentence before. It means: Hello everybody, my name is Alarah and I am from the Yuin tribe.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">If you've never heard that language before, there's a good chance you've never heard of my tribe either.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And that's the problem.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Before colonisation, over 250 Indigenous languages were spoken across this continent. Today, only around 60 remain. And if we do nothing, more languages and traditions could disappear forever.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schools are meant to prepare students for the future, but culture is part of that future too. Culture is not just history it's identity, belonging, language, and connection. It's who we are.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This issue matters to me personally because I grew up without being able to fully learn about my own culture. I had to search for answers myself, and I'm not the only one. Nearly 79% of First Nations children do not have access to Indigenous language programs at school.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">But this can change.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schools could introduce Indigenous language classes, cultural clubs, and stronger connections with First Nations communities. This would help non-Indigenous students build understanding, respect, and a deeper connection to this country's history, while helping Indigenous students feel proud of who they are, more connected to their identity, and empowered to keep their cultures and languages alive for future generations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">When we protect Indigenous culture, we are not only protecting the past, we are strengthening this country's future.</para></quote>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Defence Properties</title>
          <page.no>46</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLLINS</name>
    <name.id>297964</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This Defence estate fire sale is an absolute disaster. I'm glad the government is in here to hear all about it. We have military personnel all over Australia that have been given orders to pack out of their bases, with nowhere to go. There is chaos. There is confusion. The emotions are running absolutely hot. There is distress. There is grief. There is concern. There is anxiety. There are whole families that do not know where they will be in three months time. That is all because of the Minister for Defence, Richard Marles, giving them eviction notices&#x2014;eviction notices with absolutely no plan. It is an absolute shame.</para>
<para>There is growing opposition to the Defence estate mass sale of our Defence bases. We have had Sir Peter Cosgrove&#x2014;the former governor-general, of all people&#x2014;come out to help stop this egregious sale of our beloved Defence bases. We've had Peter Garrett, a former Labor minister, come out and say: 'What are you doing? This is not a good idea.' The RSL president this week also came out and spoke in opposition on behalf of his veterans who are absolutely up in arms about this.</para>
<para>Let me tell you something. Victoria Barracks is not just 'an old wine cellar'. These are not just 'a bunch of whingeing generals', as the defence minister described them. What an absolutely egregious thing to say! Victoria Barracks is the DNA of our Australian Defence Force. It is the fabric of the culture, identity and history of the ANZAC legacy. This defence minister wants to take it away. I say to the Prime Minister: it is time to step in. This defence minister is now isolated from all the people around him, including the veterans community. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Leader of the Australian Greens</title>
          <page.no>47</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'NEILL</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Last week, the new leader of the Greens political party decided to unilaterally change his party's policy as to effectively abandon Ukraine. In one of his first foreign policy statements, he announced the Greens would no longer support military assistance to Ukraine&#x2014;not unless Russia gave us permission first. I, the Ukraine-Australian community and many others were horrified to hear this.</para>
<para>Because of his self-imposed mission to replace Labor, Senator Shoebridge has taken to lining up with One Nation. In an Orwellian twist, it's been reported that Senator Shoebridge tried to justify this as having always been his party's position. But we remember the Greens supporting a Senate motion in March 2022 explicitly in favour of military assistance to Ukraine. You have to wonder whether Senator Shoebridge changed his party's policy back in October 2022, after he wined and dined with the Russian ambassador at a Sydney dinner just one week after Mr Putin issued a nuclear threat against Ukraine. Or has there been a more recent conversion? The Greens's 2025 election platform did not oppose military assistance to Ukraine.</para>
<para>Many Australians have been rightly appalled by the Greens leader's comments and his willingness to abandon Ukraine and diminish its sovereignty. But perhaps Senator Shoebridge can take solace in the ringing endorsement he received yesterday from Simeon Boikov, who's also known as 'Aussie Cossack'. He's a far-right Russian ultranationalist who's been hiding in the Russian consulate in Sydney for a year, evading arrest by Australian authorities. While Senator Shoebridge and the Greens cosy up to the far right and Mr Putin's cheer squad, Labor, this government, decent Australians and all Australians who stand for peace will stand with Ukraine.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We'll now move to question time.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>47</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Taxation</title>
          <page.no>47</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Wong. This week, estate planning lawyer Rachael Rofe warned that Labor's proposed 30 per cent trust tax could force families to distribute income and capital to beneficiaries no matter what their circumstances are, including family members battling addiction, relationship breakdown and family estrangement. Why is the Albanese government forcing Australian families to choose between paying the Prime Minister's latest tax grab and protecting vulnerable family members, including victims of domestic violence, from financial harm?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Kovacic. I won't divert on this, but you have seen, from the work that Minister Gallagher and Minister Plibersek have done, the commitment that we have to doing whatever we are able as a government to combat and confront family violence. In relation to the trust arrangements, I'd make a few points which I think are relevant here. The vast majority of Australians&#x2014;that is, some 95 per cent of Australians&#x2014;do not receive discretionary trust income. And, as I said yesterday, the vast majority of small businesses don't operate through a trust.</para>
<para>In relation to the distribution arrangements, the reforms, as I understand them, do not limit the flexibility of discretionary trusts to add beneficiaries. The government is providing an additional option for trusts to elect to make fixed distributions, and the trusts do retain the flexibility to change their approach in the future. New beneficiaries can be added&#x2014;for example, when someone passes away. There are already integrity rules that relate to distributions from trusts, including to minors. Obviously, those rules were put in place over 40 years ago when Mr Howard was the treasurer. You would also be aware that the changes that the government has put in place, which include better aligning the taxation of assets and income, have enabled the delivery of a new permanent tax cut for every working Australian.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Kovacic, first supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the Prime Minister guarantee that Labor's proposed trust tax will not undermine protections for vulnerable Australians, including the victims of domestic violence and financial abuse, or inadvertently benefit the perpetrators of that abuse?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We always work to try and ensure that survivors of violence are&#x2014;</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Well. I think every government has to try to do that. But I think that&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cash</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You legislated a widows tax.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>If I may&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cash</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Knowingly.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! I've called order.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I think every government has an obligation to try to ensure that whatever arrangements are in place are not utilised in abusive relationships to perpetrate that abuse. And I'm sure that the Treasurer is mindful of that, just as we are mindful of this in the context of many other areas including superannuation.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Kovacic, a second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>If the government confirms that its trust tax could inadvertently benefit perpetrators of domestic violence, will the Prime Minister commit to scrapping what can only be described as a toxic tax?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We will not be committing to simply not proceeding with tax arrangements because you don't agree with them.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cash</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We didn't say we didn't agree with them.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You don't agree with&#x2014;the reality is trusts are used by a very small proportion of Australians.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Kovacic.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Kovacic</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On a point of order, that's not what my question was. I'm happy to repeat the question for clarity if required.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Kovacic. It was hard in some parts to hear the minister, but I will continue to listen closely. I couldn't hear the minister, because of the level of interjection. But I'll continue to listen carefully. Thank you, Minister.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>First, in relation to women's safety&#x2014;I will add to this if I'm incorrect&#x2014;we have invested in excess of $4 billion into measures to support women's safety and to confront violence. So let's be clear&#x2014;everybody in this chamber has the same view when it comes to family violence. That's the first point. The second point is that I appreciate the opposition are looking for ways to argue&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cash</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You scrapped the tax.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para> I will take the interjection from the leader. They want us to scrap a tax on trusts. And we have said we are ensuring a fairer tax system. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</title>
        <page.no>48</page.no>
        <type>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Acknowledgement</title>
          <page.no>48</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
    <electorate/>
  </talker>
  <para>I draw the attention of honourable senators to the presence in the chamber of a parliamentary delegation from the Legislative Assembly of Samoa, led by the honourable speaker. On behalf of all senators, I wish you a warm welcome to Australia and, in particular, to the Senate.</para>
<para>Honourable senators: Hear, hear!</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>48</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Gas Industry</title>
          <page.no>48</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GHOSH</name>
    <name.id>257613</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Industry and Innovation, Senator Ayres. The Albanese government today introduced legislation in the other place to establish a domestic gas reservation, a landmark Labor reform. Minister, how will Labor's gas reservation reform deliver more affordable gas for Australian businesses?</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Opposition senators</name>
  </talker>
  <para>Opposition senators interjecting&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Ayres, I have not called you; I'm waiting for order. Order! I remind senators, particularly on my left&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Excuse me, Senator McKenzie and Senator Cash. I remind senators that Senator Ghosh has the right to put his question in silence. Minister Ayres.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I do want to thank Senator Ghosh for that question. He is from the great state of Western Australia, which has had a gas reservation scheme in place since 2006. I do remember&#x2014;I'm old enough to remember&#x2014;the kind of wild campaign that was run against that gas reservation at that time. It has been of immense benefit to Western Australia that that scheme has been in place, and this Albanese government will deliver that benefit for all of Australia.</para>
<para>Earlier today, my friend the Minister for Resources, Madeleine King, introduced legislation for the domestic gas reservation. It is a landmark Labor reform that will ensure that Australia's resources are used to benefit Australia and Australians. It will deliver affordable gas for Australians in their homes, for our businesses and for our households. It will help shield the Australian economy from global price shocks in uncertain times. It will see manufacturing firms invest in and create good, new blue-collar jobs.</para>
<para>In my work before I came into this parliament, I saw manufacturing firm after manufacturing firm in regional Australia close because of high gas prices. The best time to introduce this scheme would have been in the year 2000, as Australian industry was exposed to the international price of gas. The only time that we can deliver is now&#x2014;for this parliament to deliver Australian gas for Australian industry, with downward pressure on prices, for blue-collar jobs and heavy industry, to make Australia stronger.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ghosh, first supplementary.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GHOSH</name>
    <name.id>257613</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Albanese Labor government has been working steadily on this reform to design a system that reserves Australian gas for Australians. How will a domestic gas reservation deliver clear investment signals for industry and benefit the Australian manufacturing sector?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Again, I thank Senator Ghosh for that question. It is described by industry as the most significant reform to the nation's gas market in a generation&#x2014;significant economic reform. It will deliver long-term contracts and lower cost gas. That means long-term confidence and low-cost gas as a competitive advantage for Australian industry, and that confidence means industrial investment and good blue-collar jobs in regional Australia.</para>
<para>It's already having an impact. Australia's only producer of phosphate fertilisers, Phosphate Hill in north-west Queensland, last year had no buyers. As a result of this government's intervention in the Glencore Mount Isa smelter and this government's announcement of the orderly process towards a gas reservation, there were multiple buyers overnight, and that facility has been sold and continues to operate for the benefit of Australia's&#x2014; <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ghosh, second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GHOSH</name>
    <name.id>257613</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Albanese Labor government is undertaking significant, difficult and important reform to deliver an energy system that works for Australians. What parts of industry, the manufacturing sector and Australia's regional communities would be at risk without this reform?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, it's certainly true that this reform is significant. It's necessarily complex, because it's retrofitting a reservation on a reform that should have been done in the early 2000s. But what is simple is this: this reform will deliver cheaper gas for Australia&#x2014;for Australian industry and Australians.</para>
<para>I have been encouraged by the approach that colleagues across almost all of the parliament have taken on this issue. We will work across the parliament to deliver this reform, because it is in Australia's interest that we have a gas reservation policy in place. It will benefit, overwhelmingly, heavy industry and make Australia stronger in terms of our industries and our regional economies. There is one group&#x2014;the sort of fake battlers over there, draped in orange, in One Nation&#x2014;who have declared that they are opposed to this. We will work with everybody across the parliament to deliver this reform, because it's in&#x2014; <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Tertiary Education and Training</title>
          <page.no>49</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Skills and Training, Minister Watt. The <inline font-style="italic">Age </inline>has today revealed that the Australian Skills Quality Authority was tipped off in 2023 about a syndicate distributing potentially hundreds of fake qualifications, including to workers on federally funded building projects. When did the minister first become aware that fake qualifications were being distributed on sites and endangering the safety of workers? And what action did the minister take?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Hume, for the question. I did see that report in this morning's edition of the <inline font-style="italic">Age</inline>. What I also saw was that action was being taken on this matter at the Victorian government level, which is entirely appropriate. I don't have any information in my possession as to the involvement or knowledge of the federal minister. If there's anything I can provide on that, I will.</para>
<para>While I'm on my feet, just reflecting on some of Senator Hume's comments recently about skill levels&#x2014;and, of course, she recently made some comments about how much she'd like to see Josh Frydenberg return here because they need to have the A team&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>which can only mean they have the B team at the moment!</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Watt, I'm going to direct you to the question. Senator McGrath?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>There you go. I'm on the program. Minister Watt, please continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm not sure whether Senator McGrath is identifying himself as a member of the A team or the B team there, and whether he's taking exception on what Senator Hume is saying. But I have answered the question and I've got a minute 10 left to talk about Josh Frydenberg and Senator Hume&#x2014;about how much she wants to see Josh Frydenberg back!</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Watt, resume your seat. Senator Cash?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cash</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>My point of order, again, President, is on relevance. This is actually an incredibly serious issue.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you. I have drawn the minister to the question, and I will remind him again.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>As I've said, if there's anything further that I can provide on this matter, I will. But it has been interesting, this week, to see the reflections of a range of coalition figures on the skill level of their current operations. We know that you don't want to talk about that. We know there's a&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Hello, Braggy! We know there's a couple of people over there who like the idea of Josh Frydenberg coming back, aren't there, Braggy? There are a couple of unnamed moderates in the Liberals saying how much they'd like to see Josh Frydenberg come back here, because Josh Frydenberg has reflected on the fact that you need better leadership.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Watt, I draw you back to the question.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>More broadly, there's serious action to crack down on shonky VET providers offering dodgy qualifications, because let's not forget that one of the reasons our government has had to take action on shonky VET providers is because 10 years of coalition government allowed those providers to flourish, just like, when the migration system that you left behind was completely broken, completely rorted, who had to fix it? The Albanese Labor government. If all you want to talk about is the action we've taken to fix the skills system and the migration system, we're happy to do so. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hume, first supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Fake certificates are reportedly being sold to workers for cash in car parks and in pubs. Minister, as a former minister for skills yourself, how many fraudulent qualification certificates has the Australian Skills Quality Authority identified on federally funded building sites, and what action have you taken?</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Wong?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Wong</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Just a point of order&#x2014;whatever respect that Senator Hume has for Senator Watt's previous ministerial role, she's not able to ask him a question in that capacity, and so it should be the minister, not him, because he has no ministerial responsibility for this issue.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hume, I haven't called you, so I am not sure whether or not you're&#x2014;yes, of course Minister Wong is right, and I'm sure you know that, with a previous minister, you can't go back there and ask questions. I'm not sure how much of your question relates to Minister Watt's current portfolio in what he's representing, but I'm going to invite him to address the question for the minister he's currently representing.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you for that ruling. I hate to disappoint Senator Hume, but, while I have held a few portfolios over the life of the Albanese government, being Minister for Skills and Training is not one of them. I'm sure Senator Hume remembers the time that I spent as the Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations and our regular discussions about those issues on breakfast TV, where I was able to point out the policies of the Liberal Party when it came to cutting wages and cutting conditions, but I didn't have an opportunity to represent the portfolio of skills and training.</para>
<para>As I say, our government has taken action, cracking down on fraudulent skills. We take all matters of fraud extremely seriously, particularly where it's linked to matters of safety. I'm aware that the Australian Skills Quality Authority is working closely with Victoria Police and WorkSafe Victoria and contributing to Taskforce Hawk. Investigations are ongoing in this matter and, as further updates are able to be provided, we will do so.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hume, second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Australian Skills Quality Authority was tipped off about fake qualifications in 2023, and yet they were still being offered to big-build contractors as recently as last month. Minister, what action has the government taken to stop fake qualifications reaching federally funded building sites and endangering the safety of workers?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I said in my previous answer, the Australian Skills Quality Authority is working closely with Victoria Police and WorkSafe Victoria and contributing to Taskforce Hawk. Taskforce Hawk, of course, was established by the Victoria Police to investigate a range of corruption allegations and criminality allegations made against a range of participants in the Victorian construction industry, including some from unions and including some from employers as well. Now, I don't think that Senator Hume would expect me to come into a public place like this and talk about the nature of those allegations or what work ASQA has done in investigating those when they are part of an ongoing investigation, but, as I say, it's our government&#x2014;the Albanese Labor government&#x2014;that has actually taken action to crack down on shonky VET providers offering dodgy qualifications. This was allowed to flourish for 10 years under the coalition, and finally we have a government that's taking action.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Housing</title>
          <page.no>51</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BARBARA POCOCK</name>
    <name.id>BFQ</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Housing, Senator Ayres. Renting has never been less affordable in Australia, with rental stress at record highs. New data today tells us that 78 per cent of Australians back limits on rent increases. People are in real pain, but Labor has done nothing for the one-third of Australians who rent. Too many households are just one rent increase away from eviction into homelessness. Median rents are now an incredible $717 a week. Renters are crying out for help. Minister, how bad does it have to get before Labor takes the initiative to work with the states to cap rents?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you to Senator Pocock for that question. I think it is absolutely the case that many Australians in rental accommodation are experiencing rental prices that are too high by historical standards. For young Australian's trying to find a place in the rental market, that is harder for them than it should be. That's also the case for first home buyers as well.</para>
<para>I think that's a reasonable proposition to put into a question, but it is not a reasonable proposition to say that this government has done nothing about those questions. We've taken national leadership on renters' rights. We've worked with the states and territories to harmonise and strengthen rights and protections through a better deal for renters, agreed at National Cabinet level. That includes having a nationally consistent policy on when it's unreasonable to evict a renter from their home, banning rent bidding, phasing in minimum quality standards for rental properties and moving towards a national standard of no more than one rent increase per year. Some key reforms, such as banning soliciting rent bidding and strengthening protections for tenants&#x2014;where is Senator Babet?&#x2014;experiencing family or domestic violence are now in places across all states and territories.</para>
<para>We have delivered those across the states. It is delivering real change across the real estate sector. It is making real progress. We've delivered greater levels of financial assistance through the first back-to-back increases in Commonwealth rent assistance in 30 years, lifting it by over 50 per cent since we came to government. Tax incentives are in place to encourage investment in build to rent. The list of effort from this government is bigger than any previous government in our history. We've got more work to do, and fundamentally what it is about is building more homes. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Pocock, first supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BARBARA POCOCK</name>
    <name.id>BFQ</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, rents keep rising while real wages under your government are going backwards. Record high rents are forcing people to choose between groceries and paying their rent. Ninety-four per cent of renters want some type of rent regulation. That's almost all renters in the country. Minister, why do you care more about landlords and property investors than you do about renters and their dire circumstances?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>For a party that's professed so emphatically to want to make things easier for renters to buy a home of their own, the Greens political party has put up roadblocks at every turn in here. And in every community&#x2014;hello, Woollahra&#x2014;where Greens senators live, they have been out there campaigning against housing development. They are for more housing but against housing development here and in the suburbs where they have bottom-of-the-barrel campaigns to try and oppose housing being developed&#x2014;real homes for real people.</para>
<para>There is, I think, more work to do in this area. We will continue to do that work. It is hard work. It is meaningful work. It's well beyond the slogans and the platitudes and the memes. It's real substantive policy work for renters.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Pocock, second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BARBARA POCOCK</name>
    <name.id>BFQ</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, your Housing Australia Future Fund, the HAFF, has built a measly 1,432 homes. Half of them actually were purchased; they're not even new. Of the 40,000 you promised, it's a drop in the ocean. Polling today also shows that three-quarters of Australians want Labor to spend a lot more money on public housing. Minister, will you commit to expanding public housing to 10 per cent of housing stock like we had 30 years ago?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>You talk about polling, Senator Pocock&#x2014;really? I mean&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Ayres, I ask you to direct your response through me, thanks.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I think that's an extraordinary proposition. We have increased rent assistance by more than 50 per cent. We are in the process of building 55,000 social and affordable homes, delayed only by Senator Pocock and her colleagues. The assertion that you put into that question you know to be incorrect. You know it to be a way of deceiving people about the way that scheme is unrolling. It's just as dishonest as what Senator Bragg says about it, and people should stop doing it, because it's incorrect and it's deceitful&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Bragg! Order!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's deceitful when you do it. It's deceitful when your colleagues do it. We have made meaningful reforms&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Bragg</name>
    <name.id>256063</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Your own treasurer is embarrassed about it.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Bragg, I called you to order directly by name and you completely ignored me. That's incredibly disrespectful.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Bragg</name>
    <name.id>256063</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>My apologies.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I would rather you didn't apologise and instead think first and not make the interjection. Senator Canavan?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Canavan</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>My point of order goes to relevance. The question had nothing to do with the coalition or Senator Bragg. The minister has made assertions against a fellow senator that are bordering on&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Canavan. I am going to rule&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Honourable senators</name>
  </talker>
  <para>Honourable senators interjecting&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! There have been interjections across this parliament, which are&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Wong! Which are particularly disorderly. There is no point of order. I would ask everyone, every senator, to stop interjecting, because Senator Pocock has the right to have her question answered. Please continue, Senator Ayres.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will stop responding to Senator Bragg's interjections when he stops making them.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Canavan, you were just on your feet talking about disorderly interjections, and then you go ahead and make one yourself. Please come to order.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Economy</title>
          <page.no>52</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DOWLING</name>
    <name.id>55842</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Finance, Senator Gallagher. Despite challenging global economic circumstances, last week Fitch reaffirmed Australia's AAA credit rating. That means Australia is one of only nine countries in the world to continue to hold a AAA rating from all three major ratings agencies. Why is retaining our AAA credit rating important, and how is the Albanese Labor government's responsible economic management strengthening our economy, repairing the budget and supporting Australians with the cost of living?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Dowling for that important question. He is correct that, last week, Fitch reaffirmed Australia's AAA credit rating, Australia continues to hold the AAA credit rating from all three major ratings agencies, and we are one of only nine countries in the world to do so. In the report&#x2014;the assessment&#x2014;Fitch praised the government's efforts to reduce the budget deficit and noted Australia's growth outlook exceeds the growth outlook for AAA rated peers. It's independent recognition of the work that we have done to repair the budget, and it matters more in times of heightened global uncertainty.</para>
<para>The global economy is in the most uncertain phase since the pandemic, and the ongoing war in the Middle East is driving up fuel and transport costs, which are being felt here at home, but the final budget outcome released last month was stronger than both the position we inherited and what we forecast in the budget. The deficit was $6 billion better than forecast at budget and around half of what was forecast by those opposite when we came to government. Overall, the budget is $230 billion stronger than when we came to office, and every single one of our budget updates has delivered savings. We've strengthened the budget bottom line, and, at the same time, we've been able to provide cost-of-living relief to Australians without adding to inflation. We've seen nearly 13 million Australians receive $700 million in tax cuts in the first quarter since 1 July. We're also cutting income taxes for workers and investing in services Australians deserve, like Medicare, NDIS and defence, and we have been repairing the budget over time, since coming to government, to get it in better shape.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Dowling, first supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DOWLING</name>
    <name.id>55842</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you for that investment-grade answer, Minister. The International Monetary Fund has warned&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Honourable senators</name>
  </talker>
  <para>Honourable senators interjecting&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DOWLING</name>
    <name.id>55842</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Look, if you're worried about debt, ask Josh Frydenberg. The International Monetary Fund has warned that the global outlook is fragile and that conflict in the Middle East is pushing up inflation around the world. How has the Albanese Labor government positioned Australia's economy and budget to withstand global pressures while supporting Australians with cost-of-living pressures?</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Dowling for that supplementary as well. As Senator Dowling outlines in his question, the IMF's World Economic Outlook is clear that global outlook is fragile, and the conflict in the Middle East is pushing up inflation right around the world. We are not immune from those pressures, but we are in a good position to meet those challenges. Annual growth in Australia was strong or stronger than every major advanced economy&#x2014;equal to the US and stronger than the rest: Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the UK. Australia's gross debt is a fraction of that carried by other major advanced economies. We've delivered the lowest average unemployment of any Australian government in 50 years, and in an uncertain global environment, responsible economic management remains the best way to support Australians. We're doing that through tax cuts, more medicines on the PBS and cheaper medicines with your scripts each month, the Medicare urgent care clinics, the bulk-billing investment and a pay rise for care workers. There is more to do. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Dowling, second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DOWLING</name>
    <name.id>55842</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We know a strong budget gives Australia the buffers it needs to respond to global economic shocks. Minister, why is it important to keep improving the budget, and are there any risks to the Albanese Labor government's responsible economic management?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Dowling for that supplementary. We are committed to responsible economic management. And, looking at how we provide cost-of-living relief for Australians, we've taken a stable, consistent, responsible approach to budget management, and that will continue in every budget and every MYEFO. We do know that, whilst we're finding savings, repairing the budget over time and looking at every part of government, how we provide services and whether we can find savings&#x2014;and we're doing that in the lead-up to MYEFO&#x2014;we face obstructions and barriers, including in this chamber. And I note this afternoon the Senate will vote on whether to discharge a bill that seeks to provide additional funding into aged care from the private health insurance rebate. And so, when those opposite call for savings and call for reductions in government expenditure, they need to look at the decisions that they are taking, including in this place, which are to spend more, to promise to spend more and to complain at the same time. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Human Rights: Incarceration</title>
          <page.no>53</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator THORPE</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is for the Minister for Women, Minister Gallagher. Minister, Labor claims to oppose violence against women, yet your government plans to vote to continue to allow mothers to be shackled, chained down to the bed, while they are in labour and giving birth. How can you claim to care about women while allowing this state sanctioned violence and torture to continue, when your government has the power to stop it?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Thorpe for the question. Before I come to the specifics of&#x2014;I think it's in relation to&#x2014;the private senator's bill that you have brought into this chamber, Senator Thorpe. I should say that I think all of us in this place take women's safety and ending violence against women and children as a top priority.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Thorpe</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Except this. Barbaric.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It has been a top priority for our government, including not only in investment that we have made&#x2014;billions of dollars, including in significant work that has been undertaken to ensure that we have an action plan that is specifically dedicated to ending violence against women and children in First Nations communities that has been led by Minister Plibersek.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Thorpe</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>All women are being [inaudible]. Don't make this a Blak issue.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe, come to order.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm just explaining what we have done, to give some context. In relation to your private senator's bill, which I believe we are debating tomorrow&#x2014;so not to get ahead of that&#x2014;I think the stories that you have raised about the practice of shackling of pregnant women who give birth under custodial sentences are extremely concerning&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Thorpe</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The evidence. Not stories; it's evidence.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>but I would also say that the responsibility for the criminal justice system is predominantly one that&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Thorpe</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>No, you're not. It keeps happening.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I've asked you several times to come to order. Come to order and stop interjecting.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The responsibility of the criminal justice system is one that predominantly rests with the states and territories. However, we are working with states and territories on these matters&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>who are the ones who hold the levers for change. That is the approach we have taken. There are different responsibilities for different levels of government in our Federation. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe, first supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator THORPE</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, you say that states and territories should solve this&#x2014;you handballed it, we expected that. In the last couple of years the clear pattern is that states and territories are moving away from protecting people's rights. What makes you think that shackling is the one topic where they will suddenly act to address barbaric human rights violations that are also causing baby deaths?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I can talk about the areas that the Commonwealth has responsibility for, and I've already outlined in my previous answer that while the states and territories run the criminal justice systems&#x2014;and, in particular, the jails and other places of detention&#x2014;across Australia, we are working with states and territories who hold those levers for change. In other areas of responsibility, we have about reducing the numbers of people in jail, there are a number of programs that the Commonwealth does take responsibility for and is heavily investing in, and that work is led by the Attorney-General and by the Minister for Indigenous Affairs.</para>
<para>As I said at the beginning, we are concerned about the stories raised about the practice of shackling pregnant women, and we will continue to work through these issues with the states and territories.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe, I'm waiting for order. I haven't called you. Senator Thorpe, second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator THORPE</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, master.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe, withdraw.</para>
<para><inline font-style="italic">An honourable senator interjecting</inline>&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator THORPE</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I beg your pardon? You have some respect!</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator THORPE</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Don't tell me what to do; you're not the President.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe I asked you to withdraw.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator THORPE</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I withdraw.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Please now start your second supplementary.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator THORPE</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, President. Do you accept, Minister, that your decision to vote against my shackling bill will mean more women will be subjected to this violent, barbaric practice and more babies will be put in harm's way? Do you accept that?</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I outlined in my previous answer, states and territories have responsibility for running the jails&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Gallagher, please resume your seat.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I've answered the question.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe, I haven't called you. It is not appropriate to stand up and yell. If I don't see that you're standing, that's the clerk's job to tell me. I was making notes of your question to make sure I understood the question properly. You are now standing&#x2014;Senator Thorpe?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Thorpe</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Point of order on relevance.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>No, the minister's being directly relevant to your question, Senator Thorpe.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Thorpe</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>She's still handballing&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Thorpe</name>
    <name.id>280304</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question wasn't about handballing.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe, resume your seat. The minister is being relevant to your question. Did you have anything further to add, Minister?</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I've only to add that, regardless of a private senator's bill, the states and territories have responsibility for running the jails across this country. We have different responsibilities in relation to&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe, come to order.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>There are federal responsibilities in relation to child care, Senator Thorpe. The states and territories run the correctional settings across the country. We will continue to work with them.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Thorpe, come to order. I don't want to have to name you.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Agriculture Industry</title>
          <page.no>55</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Wong. Thousands of Australian family farms use trusts as a core means of managing risk, protecting assets, supporting succession-planning and investing for the long term. There are more than 37,000 trusts operating in the agriculture, fisheries and forestry businesses. Trusts help farmers manage severe income volatility from drought, natural disasters, seasonal conditions and trade disputes. Will the government guarantee Australian farmers will not be forced to pay more to obtain advice and restructure their trusts just to help manage risks to their businesses?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can I make the point that I made earlier, which is that in fact the vast majority of Australians do not use trusts. I know that the coalition wants to try and make this about the majority of Australians; 95 per cent of Australians&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Opposition senators</name>
  </talker>
  <para>Opposition senators interjecting&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Order! Senator McKenzie, when you asked your question, you could have heard a pin drop in the chamber. The minute the minister stood up, you all thought, you and other senators, it was time to interject. The minister will be shown the same respect as you were shown when you asked the question&#x2014;that is, no interjections. Minister Wong, please continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I again say the vast majority of Australians will not be affected. Let me explain two points very clearly to the senator. One, 95 per cent of Australians do not receive income from a discretionary trust. Second, farming income is exempt.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Watt</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>There you go.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>So there you go. There's your two points. Firstly, 95 per cent of Australians do not receive income from a discretionary trust. Secondly, farming income will be exempt.</para>
<para>Now, I have no doubt that, despite that, we will see a fear campaign from those opposite. It is happening now, just as it's happened on all of the tax reform we have engaged in. What they have never explained is how they will fund their promise to roll all of this back, without hitting ordinary working Australians&#x2014;because it is this tax package which has ensured tax cuts for Australians, and Australians need these tax cuts. These are important in the cost-of-living situation that we have. Part of how the government is addressing cost-of-living challenges is to ensure working Australians get a tax cut. But you want to roll back these tax changes, you want to make sure you don't pass savings measures and then you demand more spending. The only way you're going to be able to do that is to go back to the Senator Hume model of higher taxes for the next election.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKenzie, first supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Farmers have not been exempted from Labor's trust taxes on income earnt from on-farm processing, livestock transport, contract harvesting services, agritourism and other businesses that are intended to build financial resilience for our farming communities. What assessment has the government undertaken on restructuring and stamp duty compliance costs that Australian farmers will have to incur as a result of Labor's tax changes?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Again, I say this: 95 per cent of Australians do not get any trust income; 95 per cent of Australians don't get any&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Opposition senators</name>
  </talker>
  <para>Opposition senators interjecting&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Wong, please resume your seat. I remind you, Senator McKenzie and other senators&#x2014;Senator McKenzie, your question was heard in silence. That same respect is shown to the minister. If you can't keep quiet, I invite you to leave the chamber. Minister Wong.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The vast majority of Australians will not be affected by these changes. Ninety-five per cent of Australians receive no income from trusts. The advice I have is farming income will be exempt. Farming income will be exempt, and the government has and will&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKenzie</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Point of order on direct relevance&#x2014;I acknowledge the exemption, but on-farm income&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKenzie, no, you're not in a debate. Resume your seat. You've raised a point of order. The minister is being relevant, and I&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You're not in a debate with me. You've asked me to rule. I've ruled. You can agree or disagree with it, but you are not in a debate with me. Minister Wong, please continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>What I was going to say is that, obviously, the government is consulting about&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Canavan</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Shouldn't you have done that before?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Seriously, Senator Canavan!</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cash</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Like the widows tax.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cash! It's not okay to jump on a point of order and try and say that the minister is not being relevant, and then the minister gets to her feet and the interjections start all over again. You are to listen in silence or leave the chamber. It's simple&#x2014;one or the other. Minister Wong, please continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para> I would make two points. The first is that the 30 per cent tax on distributions from discretionary trusts commences in July 2028, so you might have a smart alec interjection there, Senator Canavan, but the reality is that this is not coming into effect until July 2028. The second point I would make is that&#x2014; <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKenzie, second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On <inline font-style="italic">S</inline><inline font-style="italic">unrise</inline> this morning, the Minister for Housing conceded businesses would face costs for advice and restructuring because, as the minister said, 'we want to have a fair tax system'. Senator Wong, how is it fair to impose on our food and fibre producers unnecessary costs to obtain advice and restructuring just to manage the risks in their business?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I said yesterday in relation to small business, I made the point that the government had committed to including rollover relief for three years to facilitate the restructuring of entities ahead of the July 2028 start date. Senator, you ask a question about what is reasonable. Why is it reasonable for you to demand that working Australians who earn money from income from labour have to pay higher taxes because you want to roll back all of these tax changes? That's the reality. You should be clear. You want higher taxes on working people.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Mckenzie, a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKenzie</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On relevance&#x2014;is the minister suggesting farmers aren't workers?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I found it almost impossible to hear the minister&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKenzie, don't be&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Honourable senators</name>
  </talker>
  <para>Honourable senators interjecting&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order across the chamber! There is no point of order. I would ask for silence in the 13 seconds that are remaining, and, if you can't manage that, I invite you, once again, to leave. You are being incredibly disrespectful to me. I stood, and the debate across this chamber and the shouting and the rudeness continued.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para> People should be fairly taxed for their labour, whether they are working on a farm or working in a factory. That is the reality. But what the coalition is arguing for will end up in higher taxes on working people&#x2014;the Senator Hume policy model&#x2014;because that is the only way you can add this all up. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Western Australia: Infrastructure</title>
          <page.no>57</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Defence, Senator Wong. The Western Australian government's Westport project proposes a new container port at Kwinana, close to major defence infrastructure supporting AUKUS. With these projects potentially competing for construction workers, materials and infrastructure capacity, what is the Commonwealth doing to prevent delays and cost blow-outs across both projects? Has the Commonwealth undertaken a security risk assessment of Westport's interaction with AUKUS facilities and operations, and, if so, will the government release its findings?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Payman for the question. I understand that there has been a lot of discussion about the Westport program, which is one of the most significant container port developments in decades, and we are, as a government, supporting the WA government to deliver this landmark infrastructure that will create lasting economic and social benefits for Western Australia and for the country.</para>
<para>The Commonwealth investment is in Westport planning and enabling infrastructure. It builds on the program that has been delivered by our government with the Cook Labor government, including Metronet, the Tonkin Highway Corridor, the Outback Way and the Fremantle Traffic Bridge. We will continue to engage with the WA government as they advance Westport. This is about ensuring and future-proofing Western Australia's trade capacity, and the investment is intended to help keep freight costs down, ease pressure on the price of everyday goods and support a pipeline of local jobs. Safe and efficient access to the future Westport precinct will support industry, create jobs and strengthen the Western Australian and national economies.</para>
<para>In relation to the workforce, obviously, there is great demand for skilled workers in Western Australia, both as a consequence of infrastructure and civil and defence investment and as a consequence of the size and success of the resources sector. You have seen this government invest in skills and in vocational training. We are very conscious of the importance of ensuring we have more skilled workers in our economy to meet these demands.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Payman, first supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Have either of our AUKUS partners, the United States or the United Kingdom, raised concerns with the Australian government about Westport's proximity to submarine operations, its construction impacts or the security risks it could create?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Westport itself obviously is a civil infrastructure project. In relation to those other issues, I'll see if there's any further information I can provide, but what I can say is that it is important for us to ensure that we improve the infrastructure which underpins Australia's economy. Ports and logistics is one of the ways you can make sure that our economy is more efficient. That is good for economic growth, good obviously for productivity and, ultimately, good for national incomes.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Payman, second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, has the Western Australian government formally requested Commonwealth funding for Westport, including any associated road, rail and marine infrastructure? If so, what is the total dollar amount requested? What percentage of the overall project cost does that represent? What conditions, if any, have been placed on this funding?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In my answer to your first question, I think I spoke about some of the support we were providing. I'd refer you to my answer.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Cybersafety</title>
          <page.no>58</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator POLLEY</name>
    <name.id>e5x</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Communications, Senator Farrell. Australia is a world leader in our efforts to keep children safer online. This began with our social media minimum-age law, which has seen more than five million under-16s' accounts removed or deactivated and has inspired more than 20 other countries to follow suit. How is the Albanese Labor government continuing to ensure people, particularly Australian children, are better protected online, and why is this so important?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARRELL</name>
    <name.id>I0N</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Polley for her question and the great work that she does for the people of Tasmania. The Albanese government backs Australian parents and kids by giving them the tools and the laws to keep them safer online. It was a major world-leading moment when, almost two years ago, parliament came together in a bipartisan way to pass laws to give Australian kids a break from the pervasive pull of social media. We have heard about the difference that that has made, but we will not stop there when it comes to applying standards to what people see online.</para>
<para>The digital duty of care will set basic safety standards for digital services that we use every day, just like we have for food, cars and toys for kids. It will make platforms protect Australian children from harmful content and provide features that will give parents the tools that they need to keep the family safe online.</para>
<para>It's not just the government that is calling for more to be done to ensure people, particularly Australian children, are better protected online. The Prime Minister and the minister for communications stood together with experts and advocates calling for more to be done to protect people online. They included the Butterfly Foundation, the Alannah &amp; Madeline Foundation and Project Rockit. All of these respected organisations came together because they recognise that more can be done and should be done to protect people online, and the Albanese government is doing that through our digital duty of care. Online safety should not be a political issue when it comes to protecting people, particularly children.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Polley, first supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator POLLEY</name>
    <name.id>e5x</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Minister, for that response. It's unfortunate that those opposite couldn't be bothered to listen to your answer. How is the Albanese Labor government working to protect Australians from online harm? What specific harms will the digital duty of care be designed to help protect young people from, and why is this so important for them and Australian parents, who will bother to listen, unlike those opposite?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARRELL</name>
    <name.id>I0N</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Polley for her first supplementary question. As you say, the opposition may not be listening, but the Australian people are. The Australian people are listening because the Albanese government backed parents when it came to delaying access to social media for children under 16, and we have heard from them about how relieved they are. But we know they still are worried about how they can protect their kids on other platforms, like online games and AI chatbots. Under the digital duty of care, platforms, like social media, online games and AI chatbots, must protect under-18s from harmful content, like content that promotes or encourages eating disorders, misogynistic content that promotes hostile ideas about women and gender&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Minister. Senator Polley, second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator POLLEY</name>
    <name.id>e5x</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>A new report released by Deakin University researchers shows eating disorder content remains on platforms that have policies in place to remove this content. Why is it important that companies are not left to check their homework and researchers are able to do this work? How will this proposed digital duty of care enable this?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARRELL</name>
    <name.id>I0N</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Polley for her second supplementary question. Research from respected institutions&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Honourable senators</name>
  </talker>
  <para>Honourable senators interjecting&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Farrell, I'm sorry. Order across the chamber! If you want to chat, I invite you to go outside.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARRELL</name>
    <name.id>I0N</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, President, for that protection. Research from respected institutions, like Deakin University, along with Australia's regulator, the eSafety Commissioner, is important to ensure platforms are doing what they are obligated to do. This research shows why platforms shouldn't be left to check their own homework. These Australian researchers had to conduct their study overseas because, right now in Australia, they have no protection from legal threats. Australian researchers should be able to investigate whether young people in Australia are being exposed to harmful material, like pro-eating-disorder content, without fear of legal threats from platforms. The digital duty of care will enable this to be done in Australia.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Taxation</title>
          <page.no>59</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Wong. The Housing Industry Association has slammed Labor's proposed 30 per cent trust tax, warning: 'Every week, the government tells Australians they want more homes. Every month, it seems there's another tax or piece of regulation that makes building them harder.' Why is the Prime Minister hitting family owned building businesses with yet another tax when Australia is already in a housing crisis and desperately needs more homes built?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you to Senator McGrath for the question. I make the same point I made in response to Senator McKenzie, I think it was. It is the case the government is introducing a minimum 30 per cent tax on distributions from discretionary trusts from July 2028. It is the case that the vast majority of Australians will not be affected. As I said, 95 per cent of Australians do not receive income from a discretionary trust. As a result of that tax package&#x2014;those changes&#x2014;we have been able to provide a tax cut, for every working Australian. Herein lies the rub for those opposite. They have committed to roll back these tax changes, which inevitably&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Bragg</name>
    <name.id>256063</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Of course.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll take the interjection 'of course'. That means one of two things: either they have to increase taxes on Australians or they have to increase debt. At the last election, Senator Hume went to the election arguing for higher deficits and higher taxes. That's quite a remarkable feat. Unfortunately, where you are now under the Taylor opposition is that you are heading for even higher taxes and higher debts.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McGrath, first supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor's own Treasury consultation paper acknowledges its trust tax will increase compliance costs, force business restructuring and create additional complexity. Why is the Prime Minister deliberately making it more expensive and more difficult for builders and tradies to operate when Australians are crying out for more homes?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>First, again, I would make the point, in relation to housing, that we've had a long discussion over a number of months in this place, including with Senator Bragg, about the way in which the government is backing new supply, and so, Senator McGrath, what I would say to you is that it is interesting that you are pro supply in relation to trusts but not pro supply in relation to the whole range of other policies, whether that is in relation to first home buyers or the HAFF, that the government has introduced. The second point I'd make is that this is legislation which is intended to start on 1 July 2028, and we are providing expanded options to limit or eliminate restructuring costs for affected trusts.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McGrath, second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor has attacked the housing sector by increasing capital gains tax on investment properties, abolished negative gearing for purchase of existing homes and stopped self-managed super funds from being able to borrow to purchase property and is now proposing a 30 per cent trust tax. How many more taxes will the Prime Minister impose on the very Australians he needs to solve the housing crisis?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We are providing a tax cut for every working Australian, and we want young Australians to be able to own their own home. It's a pity those opposite do not share that objective and that desire that we have on our side to make sure more Australians can fulfil the Australian dream of owning their own home. That is what we are about. On that, I ask that further questions be placed on the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline>.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: ADDITIONAL ANSWERS</title>
        <page.no>59</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: ADDITIONAL ANSWERS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Artificial Intelligence</title>
          <page.no>59</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In question time yesterday, I took questions asked of me by Senator Pocock on notice in my capacity as the Minister for Science and the Minister for Industry and Innovation, relating to artificial intelligence. The information is as follows. The Australian government is currently working with frontier AI companies, including OpenAI, on early-access programs to understand and mitigate cyber risks. A range of access arrangements and discussions are ongoing with these companies about the financial structures. Further questions on cybersecurity should be directed to the Minister representing the Minister for Defence.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Manufacturing Industry</title>
          <page.no>60</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Yesterday, I also took on notice a question from Senator Lambie relating to the manufacturing industry in my capacity as the Minister for Industry and Innovation. I've written to the senator to provide additional information, and I table my letter to the Senate for the information of all senators.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Community Grants</title>
          <page.no>60</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In question time on Tuesday 13 October, I undertook to provide further information in response to questions asked of me by Senator Duniam in my capacity as the Minister representing the Prime Minister, relating to specific community grants. I have written to the senator to provide additional information, and I table my letter for the information of all senators.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS</title>
        <page.no>60</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Answers to Questions</title>
          <page.no>60</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
    <electorate/>
  </talker>
  <para>With the concurrence of the Senate, the clerks will set the clock in accordance with informal arrangements agreed by the whips.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of all answers to all questions without notice put by coalition senators today.</para></quote>
<para>What is disappointing about the responses we received to our questions today is that sincere questions were put to the government concerning the tax operations of Australian businesses, whether those were small businesses, those in the building sector or those in the farming sector, and what we found out from the government, in response to the concerns that have been raised by the stakeholders, is that the government did the political equivalent of shrugging their shoulders and saying: 'Yes, this is our policy. We don't care who it impacts. It's going to be in place in 2028. It only impacts a small number of Australians.' But this is the sad part: the taxes that the Labor Party are putting on these businesses are taxes on enterprise, taxes on aspiration and taxes on growth.</para>
<para>Most Australians want to be their own boss. Most Australians want to run their own business. They want to decide when they get up and when they go to bed. They don't want to be a company person. They don't want to have a boss shrieking at them or sending cranky emails to them at all hours.</para>
<para>What Labor have proven through their budget&#x2014;and what we've proven again through the answers that came in question time today&#x2014;is that the Labor Party actually doesn't understand how businesses operate. It's like a foreign language or a different country to them. You've got to remember that every single Labor senator in this place is essentially a former union official. In the United Kingdom, they've got the House of Lords. Well, here in Australia, with the Labor Party, we've got the union barons' house, with all these union barons over there, and their sole focus in life is making sure that unions and the vested interests connected with the union industry in Australia are looked after, at the expense of everybody else&#x2014;particularly at the expense of the business community.</para>
<para>I'm not talking about big business; they can look after themselves. I'm talking about small businesses. I'm talking about how they operate. These are the businesses that don't have a HR department or a compliance department, where it's just a mum and a dad&#x2014;or maybe just one person, a sole trader. These people are the lifeblood of the Australian economy.</para>
<para>Where does your food come from? In Australia, we produce enough food to feed three times the Australian population. That's because of the risks that farmers put on themselves every single day, whether there's rain or there's drought. That's what farming is about. It is a business.</para>
<para>And yet what the Labor Party have proven, through their answers to the questions put by coalition senators again today, is that they don't actually understand how farms operate. They don't understand the structure of farming in Australia. What we have also seen is that they don't understand how small businesses operate. They don't understand that small businesses don't have an in-house legal department. So now small businesses are going to have to go to another small business and get legal advice on how to structure their affairs concerning trusts, because Labor have put a 30 per cent tax on trusts. Yet so many small businesses across Australia run their operations through trusts. As to what Labor have done, through their budget, and despite the number of backflips since the budget&#x2014;it is a war on small business; it is a war on farmers.</para>
<para>This is very, very dangerous for Australia. Where did all the big businesses in Australia come from? They came from small businesses at some point. We won't see business grow in Australia, and we will not see Australia grow, while this Labor Party continues its holy war against small businesses and aspiration. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator TYRRELL</name>
    <name.id>300639</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Albanese Labor government's reforms to the taxation of discretionary trusts are about one simple principle: ensuring our tax system is fairer and more sustainable and works for all Australians. At the moment, discretionary trusts allow some Australians to arrange their tax affairs in ways that simply aren't available to most working people and families. Treasury analysis has shown that families using discretionary trusts, on average, pay lower rates of tax than those who do not. That's difficult to explain when millions of Australians have tax deducted from every pay packet and have no equivalent opportunities to reduce their tax obligations. The tax system should treat people more fairly and consistently, and that is why these reforms will ensure income distributed through discretionary trusts is taxed more in line with the rates paid by working Australians.</para>
<para>Importantly, this reform isn't about attacking trusts or preventing their legitimate use. Trusts play an important role in succession planning, asset protection and a range of genuine business and family arrangements. Individuals and businesses will continue to be able to operate through discretionary trusts. What we're addressing is the tax advantage that has developed over time. The number of discretionary trusts has more than doubled over the last two decades. Multiple reviews of our tax system over the years have identified problems with discretionary trusts within the tax system. It's also important to be clear about who is affected. Over 95 per cent of Australians don't receive income through a trust. Most small businesses do not operate through a trust structure. In fact, the majority of trust income flows to the highest earning 10 per cent of families, and around 90 per cent of private trust wealth is held by the wealthiest 10 per cent of households. Maybe most importantly for Tasmanians, farming income will be exempt.</para>
<para>This isn't a reform targeted at ordinary Australians. In fact, it won't even impact the ordinary working Australian. This is about improving equity within the tax system while protecting legitimate arrangements. These changes won't take effect until 1 July 2028, providing plenty of time for individuals and businesses to assess their circumstances and make decisions that are right for them. There are also multiple options available for existing trust structures. Businesses that want to keep using discretionary trusts can do so. Trusts can elect to be exempt from the minimum tax without restructuring, providing their distribution arrangements remain consistent from year to year. Expanded rollover relief from 2027 will allow businesses that choose to restructure into a fixed trust or company to do so without facing Commonwealth tax consequences, such as the capital gains tax.</para>
<para>We've also excluded a range of trust types from these reforms, including fixed trusts, charitable trusts, special disability trusts, superannuation, deceased estates and testamentary trusts established for genuine testamentary purposes. I can understand the concerns about compliance costs. That's exactly why we've designed these reforms to minimise unnecessary disruption. The compliance impacts will be far lower than some claims have suggested, and around half of trusts are not expected to be affected in any given way. More broadly, these reforms form part of our agenda to simplify Australia's tax system and reduce compliance burdens. Most importantly, they strengthen the integrity and sustainability of Australia's tax system while helping fund tax relief for working Australians.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHARMA</name>
    <name.id>274506</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>If you're a small-business owner or operator in Australia, you are dealing with blow after blow from this Labor government. You're paying electricity prices that are higher than what you were promised. You are dealing with surging input costs because inflation is out of control. You're paying more interest on your debt than you were when Labor came to office. Your wages bill is soaring because wages are no longer tied to productivity. You've got weak consumer demand because per capita GDP is not growing and Australia has had the highest fall in living standards in the developed world. You've just found out that the Prime Minister is a new shareholder in your business. He's going to take anywhere between 23 and 47 per cent of your business at the exit. That's Anthony Albanese, the founder, the startup guy. Now you're being told that the legitimate way that you structure&#x2014;especially family owned&#x2014;businesses through a discretionary trust or a family trust is going to be hit with a new tax as well.</para>
<para>Small businesses are important for any number of reasons. They employ five million Australians and they account for almost one-third of our economy, but more importantly they are the source of innovation, entrepreneurship and dynamism in the Australian economy. They're the vehicle through which people with a new idea, ambition or aspiration go about realising that, and we are all the richer culturally and materially for that. Do you want to know what parts of the economy are the most innovative and the most dynamic? They are the small-business parts of the economy. What this tax does is threaten to put yet another hurdle in the pathway of anyone who's running a small business or anyone who has the dream of starting a small business. It's almost as if the government thinks small business shouldn't exist at all.</para>
<para>According to the Treasury's own consultation paper, this new tax on trusts is going to increase compliance costs. It's going to force business restructuring. It's going to create additional complexity. This is not an insignificant issue. There are about 800,000 discretionary trusts in Australia. There are about 930,000 individuals who declared trust income or who received income from a discretionary trust in the last financial year. This is going to be a significant impost on them. If you look at the estimates of figures, Treasury's own figures suggest there will be at least $1&#xBD; billion in compliance costs. That's just in compliance costs. CPA Australia expects that just the professional advice costs to deal with this are going to be between $2 billion and $2.8 billion. Others cite figures of up to $13 billion in costs imposed on business to restructure their affairs, to seek advice and to deal with this change.</para>
<para>What is this going to add to the economy? Is it going to make the economy more productive? No. Is it going to encourage new investment in Australia? No, certainly not. Is it going to unleash aspiration or ambition? No. Is it going to get our economy growing in any sense again? No. It's not going to do any of that. All this is is an additional impost on a part of the economy that Labor has no sympathy for, no regard for and no understanding for. Do you want to know why? It's because there is no-one in the cabinet with any small business experience and because there's a small business minister who 'knows nothing about small business'. I'm saying those words, but they're not mine. They're from a Labor member of parliament talking to a journalist earlier this week saying that the reason Labor is getting its policies so badly wrong is that there's simply no-one in the Labor cabinet who knows anything about small business and that there's the small business minister who doesn't get it. If you don't believe me, just have a look at the answers to questions in the House of Representatives this week. This is another blow to small business.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CICCONE</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I appreciate the opportunity today to take note of the questions from the opposition, although we probably should be taking note of the opposition's behaviour in question time today, to be frank, rather than substantive matters that were asked of the government, or the executive of the day. Quite frankly, it was just appalling to see the conduct of those, particularly, on the opposition front benches&#x2014;the way that they were not only interjecting but also commenting about the answers that were given by ministers of this government.</para>
<para>I did want to talk today about the question that went to the skills system of this country, particularly around the reporting today in the media on the qualifications that go to the construction sector. It was worth noting, though, for the record what the government has been doing to fix the skills system mess that was left by those opposite when we first came into government. It's worth mentioning here in the Senate that this government has focused from day 1 on making Australia's skills system a lot more accessible, a lot fairer and a lot better aligned with the workforce needs for the 21st century and for this decade. The more responsive way to deal with the skills shortage that is affecting employers and essential industries&#x2014;filling in the gaps is what this government is determined to do in its determination to fix our failed skills system that was left by the previous administration.</para>
<para>It's a good opportunity to outline some of those measures here today. First of all, the government is proud to have put TAFE back at the heart of the skills system&#x2014;something that those opposite, the conservatives, have ripped out for a decade. We want to give Australians more opportunities to gain qualifications and help employers find the skilled workers that they desperately need. That is how we lift productivity in this country. We've also made free TAFE permanent, committing more than $1.6 billion through to the year 2034-35 and supporting at least 100,000 free TAFE and VET places a year from next year. This includes priority areas such as construction, health care, aged care, early childhood education, technology, agriculture and advanced manufacturing. Who would have thought? We are fixing those sectors that desperately need skilled workers.</para>
<para>The cost of training shouldn't be a barrier to building a career. That's why free TAFE is giving Australians a pathway into jobs in their communities and supporting their local economies. There have also been over 800,000 free TAFE enrolments, delivering the skills that Australia needs, since the program commenced.</para>
<para>The government is also proudly supporting apprentices and employers. The national apprenticeship data that was released in September showed that trade apprenticeship completions rose by 10 per cent, year on year. That is the highest level in a decade. The government's Key Apprenticeship Program also offers eligible new apprentices in housing construction and new energy industries up to $10,000 over the course of their apprenticeship.</para>
<para>The government has also established a national network of 20 TAFE centres of excellence, backed by a commitment of around $325 million under the National Skills Agreement. This includes four TAFE centres of excellence in Victoria, my home state, with the renewable energy centre at TAFE Gippsland's Morwell campus being one of them. It's somewhere that I've proudly visited. These centres focus on priority industries like clean energy, housing construction, care services, advanced manufacturing, digital technology and cybersecurity. It is so important that we place on the record&#x2014;and counter the disinformation about it from those opposite&#x2014;why this government takes skills so seriously. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This Labor government is committed to punishing Australians for the consequences of its poor economic management. It is hard to find a group that has not been punished as a result of the government's poor economic management and its desire for higher taxes. It's punished Australian families and households with a cost-of-living crisis that it created. It has created an increase in inflation&#x2014;it is now speculated that people will be pushed into higher levels of unemployment&#x2014;and driven real wages down. And it has punished the charities and not-for-profit organisations that have been at the frontline of the cost-of-living crisis in Australia. Foodbank, the Salvation Army, Anglicare and many, many others have been appealing to the broader community for greater support because more Australian families are now having to go and seek the support of charities and not-for-profits to keep their livelihoods afloat. And, of course, the government has chosen to punish small businesses at a time when small businesses in our country need much greater support. Small businesses are being inflicted with higher operating costs, weaker margins and falling consumer confidence. As a result of the government's decisions, we are now at record levels of small-business insolvencies.</para>
<para>Now, Labor's changes to discretionary trust laws will make life more difficult for many of the small businesses that use them, remembering that 350,000 small businesses operate through discretionary trusts in Australia. Under the government's reforms, compliance costs are expected to be up to $13.3 billion for Australian small businesses as they start to contemplate new valuations, new engagements of advisers and stamp duty. It's revealing because, in the House of Representatives this morning, when the opposition said, 'Let's give this a much greater level of scrutiny and put the government's discretionary trust changes in front of the House economics committee,' what did the government do? It rejected the idea. Not only is it punishing small businesses; now, it wants to avoid scrutiny as well.</para>
<para>Most alarmingly, Australian charities are not off the hook. In comments today, charity legal experts have said that alterations to the fixed election regime contained in these laws mean that a business owner would be precluded from giving additional one-off tax-free distributions in response to natural disasters, for example, or from pressing benevolent needs such as in response to a flood in Nepal. They went on to say that the changes preclude business owners from varying their giving across years to take account of successful or lean years. So charities are going to be punished. They will continue to be punished as a result of the government's discretionary trust changes. How remarkable&#x2014;at a time when people need charities, the government continues to punish them.</para>
<para class="italic"><inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Housing</title>
          <page.no>63</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BARBARA POCOCK</name>
    <name.id>BFQ</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the answer given by the Minister representing the Minister for Housing (Senator Ayres) to a question without notice I asked today on the need for rent caps and for a massive new injection of investment in public housing.</para></quote>
<para>Minister Ayres did not cover himself in glory today. He accused me and Senator Bragg of using data that had no credibility when I talked about the appalling failure of the Housing Australia Future Fund in terms of the new houses that it has put into the market since the HAFF was established. It is incredible, it is hard to believe, but it is true that only 1,432 houses have been brought by the HAFF into housing as of May 2026. You don't have to believe the view of a mad Greens senator. This is from the report of the ANAO, on page 6, where it makes clear that that number of houses&#x2014;1,432&#x2014;are all that the HAFF has contributed. What's more, 670 of those houses are not newly created. They're not adding to the stock of housing. They are purchased from the market already there. They don't grow the supply of housing.</para>
<para>So the HAFF has serious problems, and you don't need to take my word for it. You can listen to the ANAO. The government's own body, in its review recently of the HAFF, pointed to failing delivery arrangements, including&#x2014;and I'm quoting from their report&#x2014;'program management, risk management and performance management'. These failures 'increase the risk that the program is not governed and managed to a standard sufficient to deliver the desired policy outcomes'. The review also says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">There has been insufficient transparency on program delivery, costs and impact.</para></quote>
<para>So here we are, two years into a five-year program, and we've got 1,432 homes. The ANAO is appropriately sceptical of it reaching anything like its halfway mark of 20,000 homes in two years time. Given that it's taken two years to get to 1,400, its chances of delivering its 40,000 outcome by the time it sets are Buckley's. And yet the Minister representing the Minister for Housing today comes in here and accuses me of making up numbers. Well, that is BS. I call BS on that. The Labor government needs to take responsibility for the failure of HAFF in the middle of a housing crisis.</para>
<para>My questions today, however, were about renters. This Labor government is so out of touch. They have done nothing for renters. They need to listen to what the majority of Australians are saying; they want the government to do something for renters. Millions of people are renters, and the renting story in Australia has changed. It used to be that renting was a short period of transition as you saved your deposit and found your way into housing purchase. That is not what is happening. Millions of Australians now&#x2014;those first home buyers, older women and lots of people across the age spectrum&#x2014;are struggling to get that foothold that was available 20 or 30 years ago. New polling today tells us that Australians understand what's going on. They are alarmed about what the rental crisis is doing to people out there. People are choosing between paying the rent&#x2014;so important&#x2014;and putting groceries in the fridge. Seventy-eight per cent of Australians back limits on rent increases. They know that is causing a major crisis for households, and 94 per cent of renters know that that is what we need. We need some kind of rent regulation. Landlords in some cases are also on board. They know we need regulation in this system.</para>
<para>Rent caps are clearly supported across political parties. The majority of Greens, Labor, coalition and One Nation voters are supporting restrictions on rents. Three in four voters also agree that government should spend more money directly on public housing, not this complex, slow, inadequate supply through the HAFF. We need direct spending on public housing.</para>
<para>It's no surprise that most Australians support rent regulation and direct investment in public housing when this housing crisis is pushing them to the brink. We need to see action. We need to see Labor understanding where Australians are at and understanding the pain that people are in. Labor took nothing for renters to the last election. It is failing renters right now. The housing policies are out of step with where we are at. We need a real intervention here. National rents across our country are now $713, on average. That is an impossible level of rent to meet on minimum wage. We need action; Labor is failing. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Western Australia: Infrastructure</title>
          <page.no>64</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the answer from Minister Penny Wong on the interaction between Westport and AUKUS.</para></quote>
<para>I ask these questions in good faith, however, I can't help but feel it's lacking. I know there are conventions in this place, and a nonanswer is certainly a standard convention from this Labor government. I can't say it was particularly courteous, not just to me but to the people of Western Australia who are concerned about both the Westport and AUKUS projects. I asked specifically whether the UK and the USA had raised any concerns. This was not answered. I had asked for a dollar figure the Commonwealth would be providing to support the Westport project. This was not answered. I asked whether a risk assessment had been undertaken. This was not answered. But I do note that the government has put their unconditional support behind both projects, which is a contradiction to what the people of Fremantle want. They support a working port, and they don't support AUKUS, and I'm sure constituents and workers alike will remember this in the coming election.</para>
<para>What we see from this government is the treating of opportunities like question time, when they're supposed to respond to questions of good faith and respond to the Australian people who deserve the answers, as chances to dodge the questions and focus on patting themselves on the back for things that aren't actually helping Australians and not listening to everyday Australians. Every constituent that I've spoken to in Fremantle is strongly and vocally against the AUKUS project. I don't understand how and why they continue to put their heads in the sand and continue to fund a project that there's no groundswell support for.</para>
<para>Being lectured by the government on courtesy and convention, when we really don't see it returned not just to me but to the rest of the crossbench as well. All we want are answers to be provided during question time, not a theatrical show that everyday Australians are sick and tired of.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>64</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Presentation</title>
          <page.no>64</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Postponement</title>
          <page.no>67</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
    <electorate/>
  </talker>
  <para>If there is no objection, the business is postponed.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>67</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Senate Procedure Committee</title>
          <page.no>67</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reporting Date</title>
            <page.no>67</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
    <electorate/>
  </talker>
  <para>If there is no objection, the business is postponed.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>68</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Migration</title>
          <page.no>68</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>68</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Home Affairs, by no later than 5 pm on Friday, 23 October 2026, copies of any documents held by the Minister for Home Affairs or his office or the Department of Home Affairs which contain modelling of the economic effects of the changes to migration settings announced by the minister at the National Press Club on 17 September 2026.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'SULLIVAN</name>
    <name.id>283585</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'SULLIVAN</name>
    <name.id>283585</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The coalition will support this motion. However, it should be remembered that nearly two months ago, on 17 August, the Senate agreed to two motions from Senator Duniam seeking precisely this sort of information about Minister Burke's migration announcement at the National Press Club. The government ultimately responded to those OPDs, but it did not provide the substantive documents that the coalition had sought. Just as we did back then, we expect the government to fully comply with today's OPD.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Early Childhood Education and Care</title>
          <page.no>68</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>68</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Education, by no later than 5 pm on Thursday, 29 October 2026, copies of documents 1 to 4, 8 to 17, 19 to 32 and 34 to 39 identified by the Department of Education in a schedule of documents provided in response to a freedom of information request with the reference 2367, relating to the Government's commitment to invest up to $5 million towards building a new child care centre at Mukinbudin.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Minister for Communications</title>
          <page.no>68</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>68</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Communications, by no later than 5 pm on Wednesday, 4 November 2026, copies of all documents created between 3 February and 5 March 2026, or on or after 17 August 2026, held by the Minister for Communications, her office or the Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development, Communications, Sport and the Arts, which relate to order for the production of documents no. 321, agreed to by the Senate on 4 February 2026.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Artificial Intelligence</title>
          <page.no>68</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>68</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move general business notices of motion Nos 782 and 783 together:</para>
<quote><para class="block">GENERAL BUSINESS NOTICE OF MOTION NO. 782</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister for Government Services, by no later than 5 pm on Thursday, 12 November 2026, copies of all ministerial submissions, meeting notes, meeting minutes, emails and electronic or other instant messages between the minister or her office and Services Australia, created before 24 September 2026, that relate to the June 2026 incident in which an artificial intelligence agent developed by OpenAI gained unauthorised access to the Medicare statistics reporting service portal.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">GENERAL BUSINESS NOTICE OF MOTION NO.783</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Prime Minister, by no later than 5 pm on Thursday, 12 November 2026, copies of all documents created before 24 September 2026 and held by the Prime Minister or his office that relate to the June 2026 incident in which an artificial intelligence agent developed by OpenAI gained unauthorised access to the Medicare statistics reporting service portal.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Workplace Relations</title>
          <page.no>69</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>69</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations, by no later than 5 pm on Thursday, 5 November 2026, copies of all ministerial submissions, emails, briefing notes, meeting notes and electronic or instant messages created after 1 August 2026 between the Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations or her office and the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations in relation to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) stakeholder consultation on the proposed Fair Work Court; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) implementation timelines for the proposed Fair Work Court.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Board of Taxation</title>
          <page.no>69</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>69</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Hume, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Treasurer, by no later than 9 am on 15 October 2026, a copy of the Board of Taxation's <inline font-style="italic">Red Tape Reduction Review</inline> that was delivered to the Government on 30 June 2026.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>69</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Treasury Laws Amendment (Scrapping Scope 3) Bill 2026</title>
          <page.no>69</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.text>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Treasury Laws Amendment (Scrapping Scope 3) Bill 2026</span>
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        </subdebate.text>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>69</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following bill be introduced:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A Bill for an Act to amend the <inline font-style="italic">Corporations Act 2001</inline>, and for related purposes.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the bill and move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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</subdebate.2>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>69</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to table an explanatory memorandum relating to the bill.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I table an explanatory memorandum and seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows&#x2014;</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">I rise to speak on the Treasury Laws Amendment (Scrapping Scope 3) Bill 2026.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian businesses should be spending their time making things, serving customers, employing Australians and growing their businesses, not drowning in government paperwork.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">But under Labor, businesses are being asked to spend thousands of dollars chasing information they don't control, from companies they may never have dealt with, just to comply with another layer of regulation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That is not how you lift productivity. It is how you make running a business harder and more expensive.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australia has a productivity problem. And it's a problem that has gotten worse under this Government, with productivity collapsing by almost 5% since Labor came to power.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">There are many factors contributing to our productivity challenge, including:</para></quote>
<list>Taxes&#x2014;which Labor is increasing, including through its changes to capital gains tax, negative gearing and trusts.</list>
<list>Energy prices&#x2014;with gas prices up 40 per cent and electricity prices up 39 per cent.</list>
<list>Regulation&#x2014;which, you guessed it, has also increased under Labor.</list>
<quote><para class="block">All three make life harder for Australian businesses. They increase costs, eat into margins and make it harder for businesses to invest, expand and employ more people.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">But there is an important difference.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Governments may not control every factor driving business costs, but they do control the rules they impose on businesses.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And when those rules become unnecessarily complex, costly and burdensome, government has a responsibility to do something about it.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Yet under Labor, the regulatory burden continues to grow.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Research commissioned by the Australian Institute of Company Directors found that the cost of complying with Commonwealth regulation rose from $65 billion in 2013 to $160 billion in 2024.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That is more than double in just over a decade.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Think about what that money represents. It is money that could be spent on new equipment, extra staff, better technology or expanding a business. Instead, too much of it is being swallowed up by compliance.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Businesses do not need more forms to fill out or more consultants to pay. They need room to get on with the job.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Of course, sensible regulation has a place. It should protect people, provide certainty and serve a clear purpose. But when the costs and complexity outweigh the practical benefits, it is time to change the rules.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australia will never regulate its way to prosperity.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Of course, good regulation has a purpose. It protects consumers, supports functioning markets and provides certainty. But regulation must also be proportionate, practical and deliver benefits that justify its costs.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">When compliance obligations become unnecessarily complex or expensive, it is businesses and their customers who ultimately bear the burden.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">What is most troubling is that the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers, knows how serious Australia's productivity problem is.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Earlier this year, he said:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">"If Australia's productivity trajectory remains on its current course, working weeks will be 5 per cent longer and incomes will be 40 per cent lower in 2063 than would have been the case if productivity increased at its long-run average."</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Treasurer understands the stakes. But recognising the problem is not enough. The Government must be prepared to tackle the barriers holding Australian businesses back.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reducing unnecessary red tape is one practical step the Government can take right now.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill is a clear example of how that burden can be reduced.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It addresses two issues within Australia's mandatory sustainability reporting framework: the requirement to report Scope 3 greenhouse gas emissions and the application of mandatory sustainability reporting to Group 3 entities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Scope 3 emissions are indirect emissions generated across a business's supply chain. They can include emissions from suppliers, transport, the materials used to make a product and even the way customers use that product.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The problem is that businesses are being asked to calculate emissions generated by other people, often using information they cannot readily access or verify.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Take a refrigerator manufacturer.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">To calculate its Scope 3 emissions, it could need information about the steel used in the fridge, the plastics, the compressor, the electronic components, the packaging and the transport.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">But it may not be enough to know what those suppliers themselves emit. It could also need information about the businesses supplying the steel, the plastics, the components and the packaging.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The steel supplier has its own suppliers. The plastics manufacturer relies on chemical producers. The component makers have their own factories, materials and transport networks.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Before long, a business could be chasing emissions data from a supplier's supplier's supplier and still not have the full picture.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That is the practical problem with mandatory Scope 3 reporting. Businesses can be left spending significant time and money trying to assemble data they do not control and cannot reliably obtain.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Coalition has consistently raised concerns about whether the costs and complexity of these requirements are proportionate to the practical benefits they deliver.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Labor's own Treasury estimated that Scope 3 emissions modelling alone could cost around $245,000 per entity in the first year, followed by $161,700 annually.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Those are enormous sums to spend on modelling emissions across a supply chain, particularly when businesses are already dealing with high operating costs and the challenge of lifting productivity.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry has also raised concerns about the administrative burden, complexity and legal and reputational risks associated with Scope 3 reporting.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As ACCI chief executive Andrew McKellar said:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">"Reporting Scope 3 emissions creates significant compliance costs and administrative burdens that flow through supply </inline> <inline font-style="italic">chains and traps small businesses in a regulatory nightmare."</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And that is precisely the problem: the burden does not stop with the businesses directly subject to mandatory reporting.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Large businesses required to report Scope 3 emissions may seek information from smaller suppliers to calculate their own emissions. Those suppliers may lack the resources, systems or expertise needed to provide detailed emissions data.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As a result, reporting obligations imposed on large businesses can flow down through supply chains, placing additional pressure on small and medium-sized enterprises that are not themselves required to report. Smaller businesses may face additional costs to meet the demands of larger customers, with potential commercial consequences if they cannot provide the requested information.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">ACCI have also warned:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">"Many small businesses will be expected to provide complex emissions data, despite having little ability to measure it accurately and no clear evidence that the additional reporting will lead to better environmental outcomes."</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Coalition Senators' dissenting report on the Treasury Laws Amendment (Financial Market Infrastructure and Other Measures) Bill 2024 highlighted these concerns, including the significant data and methodology gaps associated with Scope 3 emissions and the potential for compliance costs to be passed on to smaller suppliers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The United States Securities and Exchange Commission also identified concerns about the costs, reliability and collection of Scope 3 emissions information when developing its climate disclosure rules.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These concerns demonstrate why the practical operation of reporting requirements matters. A reporting obligation should not impose substantial costs on businesses simply because information is theoretically desirable, particularly where that information is difficult to obtain and the benefits are uncertain.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These costs are not limited to Scope 3 reporting. The Bill also removes Group 3 entities from the mandatory sustainability reporting regime by raising the relevant reporting thresholds.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The costs of compliance are particularly significant for these businesses.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Evidence cited in the Coalition's dissenting report estimated first-year implementation costs for Group 3 entities of between $30,000 and $70,000, with ongoing reporting costs of between $20,000 and $40,000 per year, before additional assurance costs.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For many businesses, those are significant sums to spend on a new reporting regime, particularly when resources could otherwise be directed towards employees, equipment, expansion and day-to-day operations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The dissenting report also cited Treasury's estimate that only 5 per cent of Group 3 companies would have material climate risks requiring disclosure.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That raises a legitimate question about proportionality. Where businesses must undertake substantial work to assess their climate risks, prepare reports and obtain assurance, even when they ultimately have little material information to disclose, the costs can be difficult to justify.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The issue is not whether businesses should understand the risks relevant to their operations. It is whether every business captured by the regime should face the same mandatory reporting framework regardless of its size, resources and circumstances.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The removal of Group 3 entities recognises that regulatory obligations should be proportionate to the businesses required to meet them.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For small businesses in particular, compliance costs can be difficult to absorb. Larger businesses may have dedicated legal, finance and compliance teams. Smaller operators often have to manage these obligations alongside running their business and serving their customers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Coalition is not the only ones making the case for reform.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian Institute of Company Directors has also identified the removal of Group 3 entities from climate reporting as a practical reform that could make a meaningful difference to Australia's productivity.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In its report, <inline font-style="italic">The Stagnant Nation: Lifting Australia's Dynamism</inline>, the AICD recommended removing Group 3 entities from the climate reporting regime. It estimated that doing so would benefit approximately 3,000 organisations and deliver savings of $2 billion over four years.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That is a substantial reduction in compliance costs for Australian businesses, and a clear example of how targeted deregulation can free up resources for more productive uses.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The case for this Bill is straightforward.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian businesses should be focused on producing goods, serving customers, employing Australians and finding ways to grow, not spending hundreds of thousands of dollars chasing emissions data they cannot reliably obtain.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill removes mandatory Scope 3 emissions reporting and removes Group 3 entities from mandatory sustainability reporting. It is a practical step towards reducing unnecessary compliance costs and freeing up resources for more productive uses.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It does not prevent businesses from measuring or voluntarily reporting their emissions. Nor does it tell businesses to ignore risks relevant to their operations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It simply recognises that regulation must be practical, proportionate and worth the cost.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">At a time when Australia needs stronger productivity growth, we should be making it easier for businesses to invest, employ and grow, not adding more paperwork and expense.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Coalition will cut the red tape holding Australian businesses back, so they can spend less time complying with government rules and more time getting on with the job.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I commend the Bill to the Senate.</para></quote>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>72</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Working Holiday Maker Program, Murray-Darling Basin Authority, Biosecurity</title>
          <page.no>72</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>72</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Canavan, I move general business notices of motion Nos 791, 792 and 793 together:</para>
<quote><para class="block">GENERAL BUSINESS NOTICE OF MOTION NO. 791</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Home Affairs, by no later than midday on Thursday, 22 October 2026, the following documents relating to changes announced, made or proposed during 2026 to the Working Holiday Maker program:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the final version of any document recording the minister's decision or approval to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) introduce or alter a numerical limit, ballot or other allocation mechanism affecting second or third Working Holiday (subclass 417) or Work and Holiday (subclass 462) visas,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) alter eligibility for a second or third such visa, or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iii) alter the processing priority or anticipated processing times for such visas;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the final document setting out the methodology or calculation used to determine any numerical limit or allocation applying to second or third Working Holiday Maker visas;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the final implementation plan, operational instruction or departmental direction giving effect to any matter referred to in paragraph (a);</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) the final departmental estimate or assessment of:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) the number of visa applications and visa grants affected,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) anticipated processing times,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iii) the number of current or prospective visa holders affected, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iv) the commencement and transitional arrangements applying to applications already lodged or persons undertaking specified work; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) all attachments to the documents referred to in paragraphs (a) to (d).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">GENERAL BUSINESS NOTICE OF MOTION NO. 792</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister for the Environment and Water, by no later than midday on Thursday, 22 October 2026:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the final ministerial brief provided by the Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water to the minister concerning the Murray-Darling Basin Authority's 2026 draft reconciliation of the Sustainable Diversion Limit Adjustment Mechanism; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) any final ministerial brief provided by the department to the minister concerning options to address the projected shortfall identified in that reconciliation, including any option involving the purchase of permanent water entitlements, together with attachments to the documents referred to above.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">GENERAL BUSINESS NOTICE OF MOTION NO. 793</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, by midday on Thursday, 22 October 2026:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the final ministerial briefs and written advice provided by the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry to the Minister concerning the detection, establishment, spread, or management of <inline font-style="italic">Monosporascus cannonballus</inline> in Australia; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) all attachments to the documents referred to in paragraph (a).</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Department of Home Affairs</title>
          <page.no>73</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>73</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senators Canavan and Duniam, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Home Affairs, by no later than midday on Wednesday, 21 October 2026, the following documents:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) every version of each ministerial brief or submission provided by the Department of Home Affairs to the Minister for Home Affairs and Minister for Immigration and Citizenship, or the minister's office, between 1 May 2026 and the date of this order concerning the development, making, approval or signature of either of the following:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) Ministerial Direction 119, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) Ministerial Direction 117; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) all attachments provided with each version of a brief or submission referred to in paragraph (a).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) For the avoidance of doubt, this order does not extend to correspondence or internal departmental drafts or working documents that were not provided to the minister or the minister's office.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>73</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Protecting Australia's Defence Heritage Bill 2026</title>
          <page.no>73</page.no>
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  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>73</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Paterson, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following bill be introduced: A Bill for an Act to amend the <inline font-style="italic">Lands Acquisition Act 1989</inline>, and for related purposes.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the bill and move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>73</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to table an explanatory memorandum relating to the bill.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para> I table an explanatory memorandum and seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard.</inline></para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follow</inline> <inline font-style="italic">s</inline> <inline font-style="italic">&#x2014;</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Our military heritage belongs to all Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It belongs to the ANZACs.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It belongs to our veterans alive today.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It is not the plaything of a political party.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">But right now, the Albanese government plans to sell off our priceless military history.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And technically, there is nothing stopping them from doing so.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">They don't have to put it to the Australian people.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">They don't have to pass a bill through the other place or here.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">They can unilaterally dispose of military sites around Australia which have served the ADF and Australia stretching back even before federation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That's an oversight. And it needs to change.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill seeks to do that.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill recognises that our military history is an inheritance that belongs to all Australians, and that the government of the day of any party should not be able to sell it off without parliamentary oversight.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">On 28 August 2023, the Defence Ministers announced the appointment of two co-leads for the Defence Estate Audit.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Defence Estate Audit was delivered to the Australian Government on 22 December 2023 and on 4 February 2026, a public version of the audit report was released, together with the government's response to its 20 recommendations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Defence Department was directed to divest 67 Defence sites: full divestment of 64 sites, partial divestment of three sites.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">So why is this happening?</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Not because of strategy. Because of a few bucks.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The only reason this sell off is occurring is that the Albanese government refuses to fund Defence properly.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Having squeezed the Defence budget, Labor is now selling the family silver to plug the gap&#x2014;and treating our military history and heritage like line items on a spreadsheet.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Even the arithmetic does not hold up.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The government promises a net $1.8 billion after relocation and remediation costs, but Defence and Finance officials have made it clear in Senate Estimates that these are very indicative estimates only.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">There is no guarantee this fire sale will net any proceeds once remediation and heritage constraints are completely factored in.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">What is left is likely to be a pittance in return for a priceless legacy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And look at what we are being asked to give up.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Victoria Barracks Melbourne, where the War Cabinet sat and where Prime Ministers Menzies and Curtin made the decisions that shaped the fate of our nation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Victoria Barracks Sydney, built from Hawkesbury sandstone, in continuous military use for 185 years, and home to Forces Command for generations. It holds one of the most important collections of Georgian military buildings in Australia.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Lancer Barracks, completed in 1820 on Governor Macquarie's orders, is the oldest continuously used military barracks on the Australian mainland. Lancer Barracks has a parade ground where the ashes of fallen soldiers have been scattered, where the Albanese government would be happy for apartment towers to be built on top.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Fort Queenscliff, which has stood guard over the entrance to Port Phillip Bay since 1860&#x2014;one of the largest and best-preserved coastal artillery forts in the country.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">HMAS <inline font-style="italic">Penguin </inline>on Middle Head, commissioned in 1942, still home to around 350 personnel and the Navy's centre for diver training and underwater medicine.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These are not old wine cellars. They are irreplaceable pieces of our national story.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">But this is about more than history; it is also about our current and future capability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In the current strategic environment, we must behave as though we are in a pre-conflict world.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Serving and former Defence personnel have warned of the serious risks to our preparedness if this mass divestment program goes ahead.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">When world leaders came to Sydney for APEC in 2007, it was Victoria Barracks that was chosen to stage our special forces and counter-terrorism capability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Sell it, and we will never get it back.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The same is true for Defence sites across the country.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">HMAS <inline font-style="italic">Cerberus </inline>in Victoria, is a critical ongoing naval training facility where the government plans to flog off so much land around the base it could affect the firing range and the storage of explosives.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In Western Australia, Leeuwin and Irwin Barracks together house all three branches of service.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Irwin Barracks is the Army's main Army Reserve site in Western Australia. It is a critical base for our Reservists, more than 1,000 of whom will be asked to drive up to 50 minutes in traffic to another base to continue serving the ADF.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We should not be doing anything to make service in the Reserves harder for ordinary Australians juggling their service with work and family.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That is why I am introducing the Protecting Australia's Defence Heritage Bill 2026 today.&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The object of this Private Senator's Bill is to provide parliamentary oversight of Government decisions to dispose of certain Defence estate assets used by the Australian Defence Force (ADF) or the Department of Defence (the Department).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It would be left to the Parliament to determine, on a case-by-case basis, whether a disposal decision of defence estate land should be disallowed, particularly where the disposal would be detrimental to Australia's national security or strategic capabilities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill recognises that our Defence heritage belongs to all Australians, and that the Executive Government should not be able to unilaterally sell it off without Parliamentary oversight.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill would amend the <inline font-style="italic">Lands Acquisition Act 1989</inline> to prohibit certain disposals of freehold interests and significant leases held by Defence in land used by the ADF or the Department of Defence, unless the land has been specified in a legislative instrument ('disposal instrument') by the Finance Minister.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;.If a disposal instrument is made, the Bill would also require the Minister for Defence to table a statement in Parliament setting out why the Minister is satisfied that the disposal would be in the national interest.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The disposal instrument would be subject to disallowance, therefore creating a new mechanism for parliamentary oversight of divestments in the Defence estate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill will give effect to the recommendations of the Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee inquiry into the Management of Defence Estate Assets, which called for new legislative powers to oversee divestments of Defence estate assets, and I thank my colleague Senator Collins for her work engaging with communities around the country to deliver those recommendations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Minister for Defence, Richard Marles, has said about Victoria Barracks, Sydney, that it was not his priority "to see defence manage the oldest wine cellar in Australia."</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Then he dismissed his critics as "a few former generals who liked hanging out there."</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Veterans across this country heard these statements for what they were. Contempt.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Contempt for former Generals who have led our Army for decades.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Contempt for the thousands of Australian servicemen and women, of all ranks, who have served this nation at Victoria Barracks, Sydney, for over a century.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And while I am sure there are a few eminent, retired Generals amongst those who have signed my petition to end the Albanese Government's Defence heritage fire sale, that doesn't add up to 108,000 and counting.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That is the number of Australians who have signed my petition to stop this government's reckless fire sale of irreplaceable Defence sites.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Many are members of the defence community or their families, serving and ex-serving.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Still more are everyday Australians who are outraged at this travesty and want to see their endowment preserved.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">They are in good company.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Last week, General Sir Peter Cosgrove, former Chief of the Defence Force, former Governor-General, the commander who led our forces into East Timor, joined this fight.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">When the Defence Minister likened Victoria Barracks to an old wine cellar, Sir Peter called it "the most stupid thing I've ever heard."</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Sir Peter does not enter the fray very often, and his words hold much more weight as a result.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The RSL calls Victoria Barracks Sydney the spiritual home of the Australian Army, and an irreplaceable national asset.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">RSL Australia's national president, Peter Tinley, a man who served seventeen years in the SAS, has urged the government to take a breath, because once these sites are gone, they are gone forever.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And this is not a partisan issue.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Labor Premier of New South Wales opposes the sale of Victoria Barracks Sydney</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Independents and Greens have spoken against the sale. Last month, a Senate inquiry recommended the whole scheme be immediately halted.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The community has spoken. Veterans have spoken. The Senate has spoken. The Albanese Government, and its Defence Minister Richard Marles, refuses to listen.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Which is why Parliament needs the power to stop these sales.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Otherwise, once these invaluable pieces of our military heritage are sold, they will be gone forever.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I commend the bill to the Senate.</para></quote>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Freedom of Information and Other Legislation Amendment (Stop the Financial Coercion) Bill 2026</title>
          <page.no>75</page.no>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>75</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following bill be introduced: A Bill for an Act to amend the <inline font-style="italic">Administrative Review Tribunal Act 2024</inline> and the <inline font-style="italic">Freedom of Information Act 1982</inline>, and for related purposes.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the bill and move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>75</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to table an explanatory memorandum relating to the bill.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I table an explanatory memorandum and seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows&#x2014;</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill will address a worrying trend across Commonwealth Departments that the Government has failed to address. If this trend is allowed to continue it will undermine the intent of the Commonwealth's Freedom of Information Act and deny access to government information to which we are legally allowed.&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">On 27 December 2019 then opposition leader, Anthony Albanese, addressed the Chifley Research Centre Conference in Sydney and stated:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">We don't need a culture of secrecy. We need a culture of disclosure </inline> <inline font-style="italic">&#x2026;</inline> <inline font-style="italic"> Reform freedom of information laws so they can't be flouted by government.</inline> <inline font-style="italic">&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It is disappointing that despite these statements his government has done everything they can to make our Freedom <inline font-style="italic">of</inline> Information regime turn into a Freedom <inline font-style="italic">from</inline> Information regime.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In the 47th Parliament the Senate conducted an inquiry into 'The operation of Commonwealth FOI laws' and made 15 recommendations, all of which were ignored by the Albanese Government.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">One could easily have concluded that the Government were very happy with the broken FOI system. But they would have been wrong. On 3 September 2025 the Government introduced the FOI Amendment Bill 2025, promoted as a 'reform' package; its 'reform' was in the wrong direction, , pushing the Act towards obstruction and secrecy, not openness and transparency.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill proved friendless. It was friendless amongst civil society groups and in the Senate and the other place&#x2014;except for Government senators and MPs. On the 5th of March this year, Minister Gallagher had to embarrassingly withdraw the Bill from the notice paper to avoid it being turfed out by the opposition, Greens and the entirety of the cross bench.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It appears that the government wasn't deterred by the Senate's rejection of the Bill, and they have another way to stop information being released under Australia's Freedom of Information laws.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">FOI is intended to enable people to participate in democracy and scrutinise their government. It allows them to be well informed and make up their own minds about major public issues; not be limited to carefully curated scraps of information the government chooses to release at times of its choosing. FOI lets people see how government works on the inside and whether our politicians and bureaucrats are really working with the public interest in mind, not just their own political interests.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The government has embarked on a different pathway to crush access to information through FOI.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In the past three months two FOI decisions by the Administrative Review Tribunal, determining a citizen was entitled to access the information they had asked for, have been appealed to the Federal Court by the government. That's their right, so fair enough. What isn't fair is that the government has also asked for their costs to be paid if the citizen is unsuccessful in defending the ART's decision.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">When a citizen goes to the Federal Court, it's all very legal and technical, and unless they are an experienced barrister, they are going to lose. So, the citizen needs to be able to find around $150,000 to pay for experienced legal representation. That's $150,000 for each of the appeals against the ART decisions.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">However, keep in mind the government is also seeking costs. So that citizen could end up having to cover the governments legal costs as well, and they don't have the financial limitations most Australians do. But let's assume their legal costs were to be the same, that's another $150,000 for each of those FOI decisions. So even if a person wins an FOI dispute, they could still lose.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That's a $300,000 bill to get access to information about what the government is doing.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">People that use FOI just want information. We know from the Auditor-Generals' audit into FOI this year that, across the entities they examined, 54% of FOI decisions reviewed by the Information Commissioner resulted in the government having to release more information. That means in deciding what information a person could have under FOI, the government got it wrong 54% of the time, and that's a pretty good reason to challenge their decisions. But those challenges will never happen if people fear the government can take them to the cleaners by dragging them into court.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In June this year, I forwarded a letter to the Attorney-General with the signatures of 18 parliamentarians, from both houses, voicing the concerns held by the cross bench. Independents and minor party members alike came together to ask the Attorney-General, who is responsible for litigation policy across the Commonwealth, to intervene and instruct the appealing department to act as 'a model litigant' in the proceedings.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Fundamentally, we asked the government to meet the citizens legal costs, for an appeal they initiated&#x2014;in the interest of fairness, and to ensure that an appeal did not become a mechanism for manipulating other FOI applicants in the future.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Let me be clear, I and my parliamentary colleagues do not dispute the governments right to appeal a decision. But we recognise the financial imbalance.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Unfortunately, the Attorney-General ignored that pleading, and instead has enabled a doubling down in reinforcing that FOI wins could be dangerous to the public, by allowing a second FOI appeal to be initiated.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill is a response to the attack on our FOI laws that behaviour represents.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">My Bill seeks to ensure, consistency with the objectives of the existing FOI Act which states access to government information is to be provided at the 'lowest reasonable cost', by requiring that the Government meets a citizen's reasonable legal costs if it appeals a decision on a citizen's FOI from either the Information Commissioner or the Administrative Review Tribunal, to the Federal Court.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This is not an unprecedented provision. The Bill is modelled off section 40(8) of the South Australian FOI Act which mandates, when a South Australian wins an Ombudsman's FOI review, that the reasonable costs of any Government appeals are met by the appealing department. It's like that in South Australia because the government has recognised they should treat their citizens fairly, and act as a model litigant.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Labor Government is trying to crush FOI. They failed with their FOI Amendment Bill and are now coming back with a brutal financial tactic intended to keep the government's secrets buried. It's a bludgeon being used to hammer the lid down on the truth. This Bill will stop that behaviour.</para></quote>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Members of Parliament (Staff) Amendment (Safe Staffing Guarantee) Bill 2026</title>
          <page.no>77</page.no>
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  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>77</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following bill be introduced: A Bill for an Act to amend the <inline font-style="italic">Members of Parliament (Staff) Act 1984</inline>, and for related purposes.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the bill and move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>77</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to table an explanatory memorandum relating to the bill.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I table an explanatory memorandum and seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows</inline> <inline font-style="italic">&#x2014;</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Every senator and member of Parliament needs staff to help them do their job. We ask a great deal of those staff, and we have a responsibility to make sure they have the support they need.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This should be something we can agree on, whatever our politics.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Our staff read legislation, prepare briefings, speak with community groups, and help us develop amendments. They help us get answers from government departments and bring the concerns of the people we represent before this Parliament.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The demands on our offices are growing. Staff are dealing with complex legislation, competing deadlines, and people who need our help. We cannot keep asking them to take on more work without considering whether we have enough people to do it.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Long hours and personal commitment will only take an office so far. We need staffing arrangements that allow people to do their work properly, without unreasonable pressure becoming the norm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recent disputes over staffing allocations have shown why we need greater certainty. Rather than revisit every disagreement, this Parliament should enact a bipartisan and fair minimum arrangements for the future.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Those who hold senior office have responsibilities under the legislative framework and to this Parliament. That includes ensuring that those outside government have fair resources and support to carry out their duties.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill puts minimum personal staffing allocations into law.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It provides independent parliamentarians with at least four personal staff positions to help them examine legislation, prepare amendments, and carry out their parliamentary duties. An independent must deal with matters across the full range of government portfolios without the broader support available within a larger political party. Their staffing should recognise that responsibility.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For minor parties, the Bill provides additional staffing support to meet the responsibilities they carry in this Parliament. They can hold the balance of power and must examine proposals across government, develop policy, and negotiate amendments. As political circumstances change, they may also be called upon to support or form part of a government or opposition. They need the people and expertise to meet those responsibilities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For the Opposition, the Bill provides a minimum level of staffing linked to the size of Government personal staffing. A shadow cabinet must examine each minister's decisions, respond to legislation, and develop an alternative programme for government. It needs sufficient support not only to question the government of the day, but to prepare to take its place.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill deals with personal staffing allocations for our work in Parliament, separate from the electorate staff who assist our communities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Personal staff help us research policy, examine legislation, prepare amendments, and support the work of office-holders, shadow ministers, independents, and whips. They also help us explain our decisions and respond to a 24-hour media cycle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Ministers, shadow ministers, independent members, whips, and other office-holders rely on personal staff to research policy, examine legislation, prepare amendments, and advise on parliamentary procedure. These staff also help us explain our decisions and respond to a 24-hour media cycle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Their work is essential to the functioning of Parliament. We are responsible for the decisions we make, but we need sound advice and thorough preparation to make them. This Bill ensures that those outside government have a fair minimum of that support.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That work is essential to the effective operation of our democracy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill has been brought forward because these arrangements in a democracy should not depend on which party forms government or who sits on the crossbench. They should provide certainty through changes of government and changes in parliamentary representation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Prime Minister can provide more staff above the minimums, and party leaders remain responsible for distributing their collective allocations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Supporting this Bill does not mean supporting another senator's policies. It means recognising that we have all been elected to do a job, and that our staff need reasonable workloads and the resources to help us do it.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I ask senators across this chamber to work together on that basis.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I commend the Bill to the Senate.</para></quote>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>78</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Snowy Hydro Limited</title>
          <page.no>78</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>78</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Henderson, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Climate Change and Energy, by no later than midday on Monday, 26 October 2026, Snowy Hydro Limited's cost reassessment report, including any attachments and correspondence from Snowy Hydro Limited concerning the cost reassessment.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water</title>
          <page.no>78</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>78</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Henderson, I move general business notices of motion Nos 801, 802 and 803 together:</para>
<quote><para class="block">GENERAL BUSINESS NOTICE OF MOTION NO. 801</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate&#x2014;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that order for the production of documents no. 734, agreed to by the Senate on 16 September 2026, concerning the Driving the Nation program has not been complied with; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) requires the Minister representing the Minister for Climate Change and Energy to comply with the order by no later than midday on Thursday, 15 October 2026.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">GENERAL BUSINESS NOTICE OF MOTION NO. 802</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate&#x2014;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that order for the production of documents no. 659, agreed to by the Senate on 8 September 2026, concerning Safeguard Mechanism modelling, has not been complied with; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) requires the Minister representing the Minister for Climate Change and Energy to comply with the order by no later than midday on Thursday, 15 October 2026.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">GENERAL BUSINESS NOTICE OF MOTION NO. 803</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate&#x2014;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that order for the production of documents no. 658, agreed to by the Senate on 8 September 2026, concerning contractor work, has not been complied with; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) requires the Minister representing the Minister for Climate Change and Energy to comply with the order by no later than midday on Thursday, 15 October 2026.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>79</page.no>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Wearable Recording Devices (Import Control) Bill 2026</title>
          <page.no>79</page.no>
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  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>79</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHOEBRIDGE</name>
    <name.id>169119</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following bill be introduced:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A Bill for an Act to amend legislation relating to customs and for related purposes.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHOEBRIDGE</name>
    <name.id>169119</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the bill and move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>79</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHOEBRIDGE</name>
    <name.id>169119</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to table an explanatory memorandum relating to the bill.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHOEBRIDGE</name>
    <name.id>169119</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I table an explanatory memorandum and seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows</inline> <inline font-style="italic">&#x2014;</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Already we are seeing the impact that covert wearable recording devices are having on our community with women and girls in particular being filmed without their knowledge and consent, and the content shared online for engagement and clicks.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It is a key example of technology outpacing the law. For years we have said that privacy laws have failed to keep pace with the internet and associated technology. Laws written in the era of the postal service weren't fit for purpose for this connected, high-tech era.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This bill is a proportionate and reasonable step in the face of rapid and high impact advances in technology. It seeks to put in place a temporary pause on the importation of these devices to give our privacy laws time to catch up.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government currently has draft privacy laws out for public consultation, but they are months away from implementation and they are not focused on this emerging privacy threat. We should hit pause in the meantime on these imports to reduce immediate harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Greens recognise that glasses with built in cameras are already on the market. Earbuds with hidden cameras are coming sooner than we expect. These are products designed, in many cases, to look completely ordinary while doing something that is frankly quite creepy: recording the people around the wearer without their knowledge and without their consent.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Many have asked how this technology differs from phones or cameras which can also be used to film others and share the content. The key difference is the covert nature of the filming on these new devices. While it is possible to secretly film someone on a phone it is a fact that most people in the community can recognise if a phone is pointed towards them and possibly recording, the same cannot be said of most of the so-called smart glasses on the market or the coming earbuds.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We know what is happening out there with the take-up of this technology and for once Parliament should act before a wave of harm washes across the country. We need to act now before the genie is well and truly out of the bottle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A person wearing what looks like an ordinary pair of glasses, or an ordinary set of earbuds, can film everyone they walk past, everyone they sit next to, everyone they speak with, and none of those people will have any way of knowing it is happening. There is no red light, no visible lens, no cue at all. Or there is a light but its small and can only be seen if the person recording is within a metre of the person being filmed.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Our existing privacy protections were built for a world of visible cameras and known recording devices. They were not built for surveillance that hides in plain sight, worn as jewellery or fashion.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The bill works by inserting a new regulation into the <inline font-style="italic">Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956</inline>. It prohibits the importation of a wearable recording device unless the Minister for Home Affairs, or an authorised officer within the department, grants written permission. The definition of a wearable recording device is deliberately broad, because the harm here comes from concealment, not from any one particular product category. There is nothing inherently more harmful about glasses than other concealed recording devices, but they are becoming increasingly common with corporations selling them at price points from $20 through to thousands of dollars.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It covers devices capable of video recording that are designed to be worn on the body or carried as an accessory, including glasses, earpieces and earbuds, watches, pins and badges, pendants and brooches, and headwear. The intention is to capture the whole emerging category of covert recording products, not just today's smart glasses, so that the law does not fall a generation of gadgets behind the moment it passes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This definition is not extended to cover existing camera technology such as "Go Pros" that may be worn on your body using a strap or similar as the device is a camera not headwear.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Some of these smart glasses have a light when recording or otherwise operating, many do not. There are no laws that regulate the use of these devices in public places. This is despite the clear community agreement that its inappropriate for these to be used to non-consensually film women and children in public places.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Updating our laws will also serve to protect those using these devices. Currently a person uploading their morning routine or hours with their children to the tech companies linked with these devices have few protections on how this data is used. We have seen the reports of such footage being viewed by workers in Kenya without the knowledge or consent of those who uploaded it. This is likely the tip of the iceberg. To be clear this import ban as much protects the privacy of potential wearers as it does people being secretly recorded.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This bill is deliberately narrow in what it stops. It only applies to devices that can record video. Audio only devices are not affected. This is about the specific and growing risk of covert visual surveillance carried on the body, not a broader intervention into wearable technology as a whole.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The bill also protects people who genuinely rely on this kind of technology. Some Australians use camera equipped wearables as disability aids, and this bill does not want to get in the way of that. The Minister or an authorised officer must consider whether a device is intended for use as a disability aid when deciding whether to grant a permission, using the existing definition of disability aid found in the <inline font-style="italic">Disability Discrimination Act 1992</inline>. That means the door stays open for legitimate assistive technology, even while the door closes on devices designed to spy on the public.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Following consultation with the blind community we make it clear the bill is drafted to ensure that the Minister can provide an exemption to permit the importation of smart glasses which will then be available to a person using them as a disability aid. In the very likely event the Minister determines an exemption is required to meet the needs of disabled people it will not require a specific application to be made by those people. This is intended to ensure the import pause does not unfairly impact blind users, and further does not create additional administrative burdens.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This is not a permanent ban. The prohibition automatically expires 12 months after commencement. It gives the Parliament with the help of experts and civil society, the space to properly examine the privacy implications of this technology and to design a considered, lasting regulatory response, rather than leaving Australians exposed to covert surveillance products on an ongoing basis.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australians have a reasonable expectation that they are not being secretly filmed by the people around them. That expectation is being tested by a wave of new products entering the market faster than our laws traditionally respond. This bill does not try to solve every question raised by wearable technology. It does one thing, and it does it now: it stops the immediate flow of covert recording devices into the country while the harder work of updating our privacy laws catches up.&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I commend the bill to the Senate.</para></quote>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHOEBRIDGE</name>
    <name.id>169119</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>80</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Withdrawal</title>
          <page.no>80</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I ask that business of the Senate notice of motion No. 1 be withdrawn.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>80</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Environment and Communications Legislation Committee</title>
          <page.no>80</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reference</title>
            <page.no>80</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Henderson, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the exposure draft of the Online Safety Amendment (Digital Duty of Care) Bill 2026 and, contingent upon its introduction, the provisions of the bill, be referred to the Environment and Communications Legislation Committee for inquiry and report by 24 November 2026.</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that business of the Senate notice of motion No. 2, standing in the name of Senator Henderson, be agreed to.</para>
<para>&#xA0;</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [15:52]<br/>(The President&#x2014;Senator Lines) </p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>28</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Antic, A.</name>
                  <name>Babet, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Bell, S.</name>
                  <name>Blyth, L.</name>
                  <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J.</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                  <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                  <name>Hume, J.</name>
                  <name>Kovacic, M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>Liddle, K. J.</name>
                  <name>McDonald, S. E.</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J. A.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, B. G.</name>
                  <name>Nampijinpa Price, J. S.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Payman, F.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, D. W.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Sharma, D. N.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Whitten, T.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>32</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Allman-Payne, P. J.</name>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Bleyer, V. E.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Darmanin, L.</name>
                  <name>Dolega, J.</name>
                  <name>Dowling, R.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Ghosh, V.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Hodgins-May, S.</name>
                  <name>Lines, S.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, B.</name>
                  <name>Polley, H.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Shoebridge, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G.</name>
                  <name>Stewart, J. N. A.</name>
                  <name>Tyrrell, T. M.</name>
                  <name>Walker, C.</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Whiteaker, E.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>7</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                  <name>Green, N. L.</name>
                  <name>Cadell, R. P.</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M.</name>
                  <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Wong, P.</name>
                  <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                  <name>Farrell, D. E.</name>
                  <name>Gatenby, C.</name>
                  <name>Mulholland, C.</name>
                  <name>McLachlan, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Watt, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                  <name>Cox, D.</name>
                </names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived. </p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Fuel Tax Credits for Mining and Resource Companies Select Committee</title>
          <page.no>81</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Appointment</title>
            <page.no>81</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) That a select committee, to be known as the Select Committee on Fuel Tax Credits for Mining and Resource Companies, be established to inquire into and report on:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) whether, and, if so, how, the Fuel Tax Credit scheme is preventing the decarbonisation of the mining and resources industry;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) whether, and, if so, how, reforms to the Fuel Tax Credit scheme could promote productive investment in the mining and resources sector that reduces greenhouse gas emissions and aligns with the Government's climate obligations;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) whether, and, if so, how, the Fuel Tax Credit scheme has increased and will increase diesel consumption in Australia and the implications for Australia's economic and geostrategic vulnerability;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) how reducing expenditure on subsidising diesel use in the mining and resources sector could assist the Government's budget position; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) any other related matters.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) That the committee present its final report by 11 November 2026.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) That the committee consist of 6 senators, as follows:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) two nominated by the Leader of the Government in the Senate;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) two nominated by the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) one nominated by the Leader of the Australian Greens; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) one nominated by minority party or independent senators.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) That:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) participating members may be appointed to the committee on the nomination of the Leader of the Government in the Senate, the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate or any minority party or independent senator;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) participating members may participate in hearings of evidence and deliberations of the committee, and have all the rights of members of the committee, but may not vote on any questions before the committee; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) a participating member shall be taken to be a member of a committee for the purpose of forming a quorum of the committee if a majority of members of the committee is not present.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) That the committee may proceed to the dispatch of business notwithstanding that all members have not been duly nominated and appointed and notwithstanding any vacancy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) That the committee elect as chair a member nominated by the Leader of the Australian Greens and, as deputy chair, a member nominated by the Leader of the Government in the Senate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(7) That the deputy chair shall act as chair when the chair is absent from a meeting of the committee or the position of chair is temporarily vacant.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(8) That the chair, or the deputy chair when acting as chair, may appoint another member of the committee to act as chair during the temporary absence of both the chair and deputy chair at a meeting of the committee.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(9) That, in the event of an equally divided vote, the chair, or the deputy chair when acting as chair, have a casting vote.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(10) That the committee have power to appoint subcommittees consisting of three or more of its members, and to refer to any such subcommittee any of the matters which the committee is empowered to consider.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(11) That the committee and any subcommittee have power to send for and examine persons and documents, to move from place to place, to sit in public or in private, notwithstanding any prorogation of the Parliament or dissolution of the House of Representatives, and have leave to report from time to time its proceedings and the evidence taken and such interim recommendations as it may deem fit.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(12) That the committee be provided with all necessary staff, facilities and resources and be empowered to appoint persons with specialist knowledge for the purposes of the committee with the approval of the President.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(13) That the committee be empowered to print from day to day such papers and evidence as may be ordered by it, and a daily Hansard be published of such proceedings as take place in public.</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that general business notice of motion No. 550, standing in the name of Senator McKim, be agreed to.</para>
<para>&#xA0;</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [15:56]<br/>(The President&#x2014;Senator Lines)</p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>12</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Allman-Payne, P. J.</name>
                  <name>Bleyer, V. E.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Hodgins-May, S.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Payman, F.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, B.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, D. W.</name>
                  <name>Shoebridge, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>33</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Babet, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Bell, S.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Darmanin, L.</name>
                  <name>Dolega, J.</name>
                  <name>Dowling, R.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Ghosh, V.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                  <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                  <name>Kovacic, M.</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>Lines, S.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Polley, H.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G.</name>
                  <name>Stewart, J. N. A.</name>
                  <name>Tyrrell, T. M.</name>
                  <name>Walker, C.</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Whiteaker, E.</name>
                  <name>Whitten, T.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names/>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>83</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Middle East</title>
          <page.no>83</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>83</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister for Foreign Affairs, by no later than 5 pm on Thursday, 5 November 2026, copies of all ministerial submissions, emails, briefing notes, meeting notes and electronic or instant messages created after 1 August 2026 between the minister or her office and the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade in relation to the decision to withdraw Australia from the joint statement of September 2026 relating to the imposition of trade sanctions on businesses in the West Bank.</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that general business notice of motion No. 784, standing in the name of Senator Payman, be agreed to.</para>
<para>&#xA0;</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:00]<br/>(The President&#x2014;Senator Lines)</p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>17</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Allman-Payne, P. J.</name>
                  <name>Babet, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Bell, S.</name>
                  <name>Bleyer, V. E.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Hodgins-May, S.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J.</name>
                  <name>Payman, F. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Pocock, B.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, D. W.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Shoebridge, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
                  <name>Whitten, T.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>27</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Darmanin, L.</name>
                  <name>Dolega, J.</name>
                  <name>Dowling, R.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Ghosh, V.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Kovacic, M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>Lines, S.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Polley, H.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V.</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G.</name>
                  <name>Stewart, J. N. A.</name>
                  <name>Tyrrell, T. M.</name>
                  <name>Walker, C.</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Whiteaker, E.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names/>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Russia</title>
          <page.no>83</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>83</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Climate Change and Energy, by no later than 5 pm on Thursday, 22 October 2026, copies of any briefing notes, ministerial submissions, emails and electronic or other instant messages created after 1 October 2026 between the Minister for Climate Change and Energy or his office and the Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water that relate to the United States of America's decision to temporarily lift certain sanctions on diesel from the Russian Federation.</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that general business notice of motion No. 785, standing in the name of Senator Payman, be agreed to.</para>
<para>&#xA0;</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:03]<br/>(The President&#x2014;Senator Lines)</p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>17</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Allman-Payne, P. J.</name>
                  <name>Babet, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Bell, S.</name>
                  <name>Bleyer, V. E.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Hodgins-May, S.</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J.</name>
                  <name>Payman, F. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Pocock, B.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Shoebridge, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
                  <name>Whitten, T.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>27</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Darmanin, L.</name>
                  <name>Dolega, J.</name>
                  <name>Dowling, R.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Ghosh, V.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Kovacic, M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Lines, S.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, D. W.</name>
                  <name>Polley, H.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V.</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G.</name>
                  <name>Stewart, J. N. A.</name>
                  <name>Tyrrell, T. M.</name>
                  <name>Walker, C.</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Whiteaker, E.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names/>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Major and Local Community Infrastructure Program</title>
          <page.no>84</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>84</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYMAN</name>
    <name.id>300707</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate&#x2014;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) a response to order for the production of documents no. 672, agreed to on 10 September 2026 and relating to Major and Local Community Infrastructure Program, was tabled on 12 October 2026,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) in a letter tabled as part of the response, the Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister notes that '[t]he Prime Minister was not the decision maker for grants awarded under the Major and Local Community Infrastructure Program, nor is the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet the department for the administration of this program' and that '[r]equests for documentation in relation to these grants would appropriately be directed to the Department of Infrastructure [sic]', and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iii) the letter does not make a claim of public interest immunity in relation to any documents sought by the order, nor does it deny the existence of documents within the scope of the order;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) rejects the suggestion that an order of the Senate may not be complied with because a minister believes it 'would appropriately be directed' elsewhere when that minister holds documents that are within the scope of the order; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) requires the Minister representing the Prime Minister to, by no later than midday on 21 October 2026, table a new response to the order which either:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) clarifies that no documents within the scope of the order exist, or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) provides the documents sought by the order, subject to any claim of public interest immunity.</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that general business No. 786, standing in the name of Senator Payman, be agreed to.</para>
<para>&#xA0;</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:07]<br/>(The President&#x2014;Seantor Lines) </p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>38</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Allman-Payne, P. J.</name>
                  <name>Antic, A.</name>
                  <name>Babet, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Bell, S.</name>
                  <name>Bleyer, V. E.</name>
                  <name>Blyth, L.</name>
                  <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J.</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                  <name>Hodgins-May, S.</name>
                  <name>Hume, J.</name>
                  <name>Kovacic, M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>Liddle, K. J.</name>
                  <name>McDonald, S. E.</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J. A.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, B. G.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J.</name>
                  <name>Nampijinpa Price, J. S.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Payman, F.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, B.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, D. W.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Sharma, D. N.</name>
                  <name>Shoebridge, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
                  <name>Whitten, T.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>23</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Darmanin, L.</name>
                  <name>Dolega, J.</name>
                  <name>Dowling, R.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Ghosh, V.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Lines, S.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Polley, H.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G.</name>
                  <name>Stewart, J. N. A.</name>
                  <name>Tyrrell, T. M.</name>
                  <name>Walker, C.</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Whiteaker, E.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>7</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                  <name>Green, N. L.</name>
                  <name>Cadell, R. P.</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M.</name>
                  <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Wong, P.</name>
                  <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                  <name>Farrell, D. E.</name>
                  <name>Gatenby, C.</name>
                  <name>Mulholland, C.</name>
                  <name>McLachlan, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Watt, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                  <name>Cox, D.</name>
                </names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to. </p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>85</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Withdrawal</title>
          <page.no>85</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I, and also on behalf of Senator Ruston, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the government business order of the day relating to the Private Health Insurance Amendment (Modernising the Private Health Insurance Rebate) Bill 2026 be discharged from the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline>.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government will not be supporting this motion and will no longer take any lectures from anyone in this chamber about government spending and finding savings. This is the 'no-alition' back together, voting to discharge a bill that would have seen $3 billion reinvested to deliver more aged-care beds while, at the same time, responsibly managing the budget.</para>
<para>If I look to our friends from the Greens political party on their website right this minute it says the Australian Greens 'want the redirection of all public funds currently subsidising private health insurance, including the tax rebates, to the public health system'. That is what it says on their website, and, when they get tested in this place&#x2014;what happens?&#x2014;they run away; they run a mile away from what it says on their own website. What this is doing today&#x2014;</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Let's be clear about this, Senator Allman-Payne. Let's be clear about what you're doing today. You are denying a $3 billion injection into the aged-care system.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Allman-Payne, you're incredibly disorderly, cupping your hands and yelling. How disrespectful! The question is that general business notice of motion No. 797 standing in the name of Senators Lambie and Ruston be agreed to.</para>
<para>&#xA0;</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:12]<br/>(The President&#x2014;Senator Lines) </p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>38</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Allman-Payne, P. J.</name>
                <name>Antic, A.</name>
                <name>Babet, R. D.</name>
                <name>Bell, S.</name>
                <name>Bleyer, V. E.</name>
                <name>Blyth, L.</name>
                <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                <name>Collins, J.</name>
                <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                <name>Hodgins-May, S.</name>
                <name>Hume, J.</name>
                <name>Kovacic, M. (Teller)</name>
                <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                <name>Liddle, K. J.</name>
                <name>McDonald, S. E.</name>
                <name>McGrath, J. A.</name>
                <name>McKenzie, B. G.</name>
                <name>McKim, N. J.</name>
                <name>Nampijinpa Price, J. S.</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                <name>Payman, F.</name>
                <name>Pocock, B.</name>
                <name>Pocock, D. W.</name>
                <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                <name>Sharma, D. N.</name>
                <name>Shoebridge, D. M.</name>
                <name>Smith, D. A.</name>
                <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
                <name>Whitten, T.</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>23</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A. D.</name>
                <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                <name>Darmanin, L.</name>
                <name>Dolega, J.</name>
                <name>Dowling, R.</name>
                <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                <name>Ghosh, V.</name>
                <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                <name>Lines, S.</name>
                <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                <name>Polley, H.</name>
                <name>Sheldon, A. V. (Teller)</name>
                <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                <name>Sterle, G.</name>
                <name>Stewart, J. N. A.</name>
                <name>Tyrrell, T. M.</name>
                <name>Walker, C.</name>
                <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                <name>Whiteaker, E.</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>7</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names>
                <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                <name>Green, N. L.</name>
                <name>Cadell, R. P.</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M.</name>
                <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                <name>Wong, P.</name>
                <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                <name>Farrell, D. E.</name>
                <name>Gatenby, C.</name>
                <name>Mulholland, C.</name>
                <name>McLachlan, A. L.</name>
                <name>Watt, M. P.</name>
                <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                <name>Cox, D.</name>
              </names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to. </p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>87</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Broadcasting Corporation</title>
          <page.no>87</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>87</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Henderson, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Communications, by no later than midday on 21 October 2026:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) a copy of all internal correspondence between Australian Broadcasting Corporation personnel, sent or received during the period of 12 July to 12 August 2026 (including letters, emails and messages) concerning the reference to Mrs Gina Rinehart in the <inline font-style="italic">Race Around the World</inline> program, initially broadcast on 12 July 2026 (the program); and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) a copy of all internal correspondence, during the period of 12 July to 12 August 2026 (including letters, emails and messages) sent to or received from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation Ombudsman concerning the investigation of the program.</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that general business notice of motion No. 804, standing in the name of Senator Henderson, be agreed to.</para>
<para>&#xA0;</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:17]<br/>(The President&#x2014;Senator Lines) </p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>25</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Antic, A.</name>
                  <name>Babet, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Bell, S.</name>
                  <name>Blyth, L.</name>
                  <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J.</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                  <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                  <name>Hume, J.</name>
                  <name>Kovacic, M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Liddle, K. J.</name>
                  <name>McDonald, S. E.</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J. A.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, B. G.</name>
                  <name>Nampijinpa Price, J. S.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Sharma, D. N.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Whitten, T.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>36</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Allman-Payne, P. J.</name>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Bleyer, V. E.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Darmanin, L.</name>
                  <name>Dolega, J.</name>
                  <name>Dowling, R.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Ghosh, V.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Hodgins-May, S.</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>Lines, S.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Payman, F.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, B.</name>
                  <name>Pocock, D. W.</name>
                  <name>Polley, H.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Shoebridge, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G.</name>
                  <name>Stewart, J. N. A.</name>
                  <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
                  <name>Tyrrell, T. M.</name>
                  <name>Walker, C.</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Whiteaker, E.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>7</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                  <name>Green, N. L.</name>
                  <name>Cadell, R. P.</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M.</name>
                  <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Wong, P.</name>
                  <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                  <name>Farrell, D. E.</name>
                  <name>Gatenby, C.</name>
                  <name>Mulholland, C.</name>
                  <name>McLachlan, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Watt, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                  <name>Cox, D.</name>
                </names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived. </p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MATTERS OF URGENCY</title>
        <page.no>88</page.no>
        <type>MATTERS OF URGENCY</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Taxation</title>
          <page.no>88</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
    <electorate/>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKim has submitted a proposal, under standing order 75, today. It has been circulated and is shown on the Dynamic Red:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That, in the opinion of the Senate, the following is a matter of urgency:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The need for the Labor Government to make resource corporations pay their fair share, raising an estimated $45 billion a year in additional public revenue to deliver cost-of-living relief, fund essential services and accelerate the transition away from fossil fuels.</para></quote>
<para>Is consideration of the proposal supported?</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">More than the number of senators required by the standing orders having risen in their places&#x2014;</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>With the concurrence of the Senate, the clerks will set the clock in line with the informal arrangements made by the whips.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HODGINS-MAY</name>
    <name.id>310860</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That, in the opinion of the Senate, the following is a matter of urgency:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The need for the Labor Government to make resource corporations pay their fair share, raising an estimated $45 billion a year in additional public revenue to deliver cost-of-living relief, fund essential services and accelerate the transition away from fossil fuels.</para></quote>
<para>Well, here we go again: another day in this chamber, another day of this Labor government refusing to stare down the big resources industry, with the billions of dollars that they are making&#x2014;refusing to tax them properly. Just now we have seen them want to go after pensioners, instead of properly taxing our resources in this country. They would rather rip away more than a billion dollars from the pockets of pensioners than look to the coal and gas industries who have been lining their pockets off the back of Australia's resources for far too long. And you know what? We are getting so tired of it. Australians are exhausted, and they have been saying until they're blue in the face: 'There's money out there. These resources are finite. Pay what you bloody owe.'</para>
<para>Today we launched a report with Prosper Australia which indicated that there is an extra $45 billion out there that this government could be collecting in tax revenue from those big coal and gas corporations&#x2014;$45 billion. Yet this Labor government wants to go after pensioners. You can't make this stuff up. Just imagine what $45 billion could do towards making people's lives better, in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis. Imagine what that money could do for our public schools, for our public hospitals, for our public housing, for making childcare free for every kid across this country. Heck&#x2014;let's make education free from early childhood right through to TAFE and uni! This is the sort of money we are talking about.</para>
<para>And this is the political choice that this Labor government is making: instead of working with the Greens to tax our resources, to tax coal and gas and make them pay what they owe, they're choosing to continue to line their pockets, to the tune of $45 billion. Who does this government represent? Your job in this place is to represent the people who elected you, not just those who donate to you. Talk about a raw deal for Australians! Some of the richest corporations in the world are making billions off our resources, yet Labor reckons making them pay their fair share is just a bit too tricky.</para>
<para>There was an interjection from Labor when we said, 'Why don't you go after the gas corporations instead of pensioners?' They said, 'Well, this is why you'll never be in government.' And I say, 'Bollocks to that.' A majority of Australians want us to tax our resources properly. They recognise our resources are finite, and they recognise that they are getting a dud deal. Instead of that wealth flowing into the coffers of big coal and gas corporations, it could be paying to make people's lives better. And people know that. They are so frustrated that this place isn't doing its job. Ordinary Australians pay their tax. Teachers pay their tax. Nurses pay their tax. Retail workers pay their tax. Why should they have to pay tax when massive corporations do not have to pay? Where is the justice in that?</para>
<para>We hear these scare campaigns about scaring off investment. We've heard those talking points before. But we know the resources exist here. There is a royalty scheme in Queensland. Why don't we have that in the rest of the country? Why aren't we taxing those gas and coal producers and exporters? Why aren't we doing that? As I say, this is a political choice. Labor has a decision to make. Will it continue to capitulate to big coal and gas, or will it genuinely get a fair deal for Australians who are making impossible choices every time they go to buy groceries and, every time they go to pay their medical bill? It's a political choice. Have some political courage, and do what's right for the Australian people.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McDONALD</name>
    <name.id>123072</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This is another appalling day for Australia, when we have socialists running trying to run an agenda. The absolute rubbish that was just spoken is frightening, because on so many counts we are hearing mistruths or outright lies about what is happening in Australia's tax centres. There are some claims that we don't have royalties on gas or that we don't tax gas companies and coal companies. What I would really like the Greens political party and other independents to do is stand up and tell us where the funding comes from to run these outrageous give-us-our-fair-share campaigns. They come from people who want to end the coal and gas industries in Australia. Why can't they be honest about that? This is not about a tax campaign. This is about ending fossil fuels in Australia. And when they're honest about that and tell every Australian who's employed by gas and coal companies and every Australian who benefits from the $65 billion that comes in from coal, gas and other mining companies, and when they are honest with Australians about what their real agenda is, then we'll have a proper discussion.</para>
<para>But every time you hear them say, 'We want our fair share,' know that this is an agenda run by people who want to see Australians poorer. This is an agenda run by people who want to see the end of energy security for this country and for many of our trading partners. This is an agenda that is dangerous. And when we have the conversation about whether or not this money is coming from offshore activists&#x2014;or, worse, state owned actors who are against Australia's best interests&#x2014;when we have an honest conversation about who is paying the EDO's fines in the Tipakalippa case and when we have an honest conversation about who's funding the Australia Institute, and IEEFA and the campaigns that get behind Punter's Politics, then we can talk about what tax policy should be in this country.</para>
<para>But this is a dangerous campaign. It is about ending fossil fuels in this country, and it will see Australia left with the lights off and with no tax income at all, because it is these industries that pay the bills in this country. It is these industries that ensure that we have a wonderful medical health system. It is these industries that ensure that we have the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme and great infrastructure, health services and education services. Be clear: without that, there is no replacement. We are not going to be funding Australia's first-class medical services with the NDIS or with the caring economy. We are not going to be funding it with students from overseas. We are not going to be funding our first-world economy without fossil fuels and the resources sector more broadly.</para>
<para>I am sick of this campaign, and I'm sick of Australians being lied to. Instead, what the Greens political party will do is stand up and tell you how they've spent the money before they've done one thing to support mining and resources in Australia, to support every Australian who earns double the national average salary or to support all the environmentalists who work on gas, oil, coal and other mining projects, who are mapping Australia's biodiversity, fauna and flora. They will do nothing for all of those people apart from see them go out of work and see no development in this country at all. I am sick of the lies. I'm sick of the lack of real-world reality. As a country, as a government, as parties of opposition, we should stand together and say we will not put up with this rubbish anymore because it will see Australia worse off. It will leave every person who believes in Australia worse off. And I'm sick of the lies about where the money actually comes from that funds these campaigns. Where does the money come from? The EDO wouldn't tell us. They took a $9 million donation that they didn't disclose, in order not to tell us.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator MARIELLE SMITH</name>
    <name.id>281603</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I also rise to contribute to this debate. The Albanese Labor government agree that Australians deserve a fair return for the natural resources they own, and that is exactly why today we are introducing legislation to implement a domestic gas reservation scheme. This legislation is significant. It will require gas exporters to supply a proportion of their total production to the Australian market, ensuring that Australians have the affordable gas that they need. From July next year, gas exporters will be required to supply the Australian market with the equivalent of up to 20 per cent of their annual exports.</para>
<para>The domestic gas reservation scheme is a key part of our government's plan to build Australia's energy sovereignty, alongside growing our fuel reserves and supporting more fuels made in Australia to stay in Australia. It's about using Australia's resources to power Australian jobs, manufacturing and our long-term economic security. It is about a future made in Australia. It's also about protecting Australian households from global price shocks and the cost-of-living pressures that are caused by external events that are beyond our control.</para>
<para>As a government we know Australians are doing it tough. We know that, and, since we came to government, we have strived to do everything we can to ease cost-of-living pressures and to support Australians. The reality is we are experiencing a once-in-a-generation global fuel shock, driven by the ongoing conflict in the Middle East. We know that this global fuel shock is having widespread effects across the Australian community. It's putting more pressure on households and it's putting more pressure on our essential industries. That's why we are determined to deliver cost-of-living relief, and we're doing that through tax cuts for workers, we're doing it by ensuring multinationals pay their fair share of tax and we're doing it by backing in higher wages for workers in our essential services.</para>
<para>These wage increases are making a difference. We've backed increases to minimum award wages and funded pay rises for our aged-care workers and early childhood education and care workers. I know this is having a massive impact on those workers, who have for too long been underpaid and undervalued for the critical work that they do in our economy and who are doing it tough&#x2014;who are struggling with the cost of living. We are recognising the importance of their work and we're backing in higher wages.</para>
<para>Just yesterday we announced a $630 million investment to support fairer pay for more than 460,000 health, disability and community service workers. This investment is the culmination of years of work and follows the Fair Work Commission's finding that work done by women has been undervalued for too long. Our government recognised this by putting gender equality at the heart of the Fair Work Act and by backing fairer pay for workers in women dominated industries, who keep our essential services running and our communities healthy and supported. We all know that health, disability and community service workers provide essential care and support to Australians at every stage of life, and they deserve fair pay that reflects their skills, expertise and the vital contribution they make to our communities.</para>
<para>These are the sorts of policies that a Labor government backs in. This is what we do. This is about delivery. This is about meaningful action on the cost of living, which is having a real and tangible impact on people's lives. There are people in my community who are doing it tough because of the cost of living and who do those jobs because they love those jobs and they care about the people they look after but who have been historically underpaid and undervalued. That's a policy choice too. We are rectifying that and we are making a difference on that right now.</para>
<para>We're also investing in fairer pay for workers across the board. We're doing what we can to back in pay rises for our minimum paid workers, backing in changes to the award system. We're also addressing cost-of-living pressures through our tax system, giving first home buyers a fair go and better aligning the treatment of work with income earned in other ways. Our reforms are about building a better, fairer and simpler tax system by reducing the tax burden for over 13 million workers and about supporting 75,000 more Australians into the housing market. That's, of course, on top of our substantial reforms to date, including three rounds of tax cuts for every taxpayer and making super fairer from top to bottom.</para>
<para>Of course, the cost of living is top of mind for so many Australians at the moment. We understand that and we see that and we don't diminish that or seek to walk away from it. In fact, it's the opposite. We're doing what we can to lift wages to provide that cost-of-living support. The legislation, like we have on the floor of the parliament today, is about making a difference there too&#x2014;real, tangible delivery for Australians who need. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator McKim for this motion. The first thought I had after reading this motion was simply 'how much is enough?' The resource industry, mining, oil and gas paid $45 billion last year in company tax and royalties in Australia. Over the last five years, they've contributed $335 billion in tax. If the Greens want even more, there is a simple way to achieve that: more mines, more gas wells, more utilisation of Australia's immense natural resources to bring in taxation and to create the wealth and opportunity for all who are here, especially in rural and remote areas where the workforce has a large Aboriginal component.</para>
<para>My office met this afternoon with Tamboran, who operate a new gas well in the Northern Territory, and included hearing about their successful Aboriginal employment program. Tamboran are giving Aboriginals breadwinner jobs, training and a future independent of government handouts, empowering Aboriginal workers to break free of welfare dependency. I can see why the Greens don't like it. Who knows? Once Aboriginals own their own homes, are married with families and enjoying the benefits of resource job brings, they may vote One Nation.</para>
<para>Resources already provide returns into their superannuation funds of everyday Australians, as well as extra royalty into government coffers, to pay for the free stuff that government offers. The Beetaloo project has already attracted inquiries from data centres looking for a location connected to the national internet backbone, which is the Northern Territory. Data centres could start planning today, knowing the gas for power and the water for cooling are available. This is One Nation's solution: more resource utilisation for the benefit of all Australians while, of course, ensuring the protection of our natural environment&#x2014;the natural environment, not the sky god of warming as Labor, Greens, teals and globalist Liberals still believe. The green solution is to tax the resource industry while shutting down the resource industry. This is insane. Yes, I know it doesn't make any sense to me.</para>
<para>Published Greens party policy is no new coal, no new gas and no extensions to coal or gas leases. High taxes will force resource projects out of business and, importantly to the Greens, prevent new developments. Massive job losses will result from this Greens party policy. Huge communities will be cast into poverty, heat and isolation because wind and solar are a useless way to drive air conditioners, transport and industry. Government revenue to pay for all the free stuff goes, and superannuation returns fall, and the Greens celebrated the refusal of a $1.3 billion extension to the McPhillamys goldmine in New South Wales. The reason Minister Plibersek gave for the refusal was the section 10 Aboriginal protection order, as the site hosted a mythical blue-banded bee important to Aboriginal culture, apparently.</para>
<para>Today, the Federal Court officially overturned the mining ban. Justice James Stellios ruled that Minister Plibersek's protection order was legally invalid due to a procedural failure and a lack of procedural fairness. The company that owns the mine paid $900 million in taxes last year on other projects. The taxes on this mine will be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Who knows, there may be enough to cover the operating losses of one of Senator McKim's Greens supermarkets.</para>
<para>This motion shows the stark contrast between the Greens and One Nation. The Greens will use high taxes to force resource companies out of business in the name of social justice virtue signalling while One Nation will encourage environmentally sound resource extraction in the name of providing abundance for everyday Australians for many, many, many years to come. Voters of Australia, the choice is yours.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>There is a question we have to ask ourselves: who doesn't want us to have nice things? Loser politicians who let polluting companies dodge their fair share of tax, that's who. Make them pay their fair share of tax, and we'd have an extra $45 billion a year.</para>
<para>When I get really mad at these losers, I think about the nice things we could have with $45 billion a year. To start, we could get <inline font-style="italic">Doctor Who</inline> back on iview. And, while we're at it, let's have cricket back on free to air. Meanwhile, we can get high-speed rail sorted to make sure no Knights fan gets stuck on a trackwork bus. Then let's make 50 cent public transport national and get your bus running on time. The fun doesn't stop here. We could have public supermarkets that sell essentials you can afford; child care that's free, safe and great for all families and workers; fee-free uni and TAFE to set you up in life; a government owned developer to build quality, affordable homes; free public health care that actually works; and funding to shut down greyhound and horse racing and to give retired animals the comfy homes that they deserve. Don't listen to politicians who are addicted to the corporate donations that fund their campaigns and their cushy post-politics jobs. We can have nice things, and we are going to tax big polluting corporations to get them.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DAVID POCOCK</name>
    <name.id>256136</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Hodgins-May and the Greens for bringing this important motion to the Senate, a motion that deserves support across the chamber. The motion builds on the work done by the Prosper Australia Research Institute with the blunt title <inline font-style="italic">Australia's Resource Wealth Giveaway</inline>.</para>
<para>I don't think it's a radical idea that our resources belong to the Australian people and that, when they are extracted, the Australian people should see a return. We should be thinking about the long term and actually setting ourselves up for the future rather than squandering that opportunity to extract value from a finite resource. Once we export gas to Japan, that gas has gone, and we never have the opportunity to extract value from it again. Yet we're in a situation where over half of the gas that is exported from this country is totally royalty free.</para>
<para>We've got a government that made some tweaks to the petroleum resource rent tax and tried to sell that as a massive win when we know&#x2014;the gas companies know and everyone knows&#x2014;that the PRRT is a total joke when it comes to gas. It was designed for oil and actually got us a decent return from Bass Strait. But when it comes to gas, it does not work.</para>
<para>I hear all the time from Australians concerned that our parliament is not thinking long term, not having the guts to stand up to vested interests and not having the guts to stand up to the companies that so many people in this place then go and lobby for or work for. Just look at the list of resources ministers. Look at where they go and work after their time regulating the gas industry and regulating the coal industry. They're straight in there on a very cushy salary, I'm sure. And that doesn't cut it. That erodes trust in this place.</para>
<para>Look at what the government has now done with the gas reservation policy, which I think almost all Australians think is a very good idea. We should absolutely be reserving Australian gas for Australians, first and foremost. It is ridiculous that in Australia we have constant talk of a gas shortage. We don't have a gas supply problem in this country; we've got a gas export problem. So I welcome a reservation policy from the government. It seems to be designed in such a way that the minister simply has the opportunity to engage with all of these gas companies, and it's her decision as to how much they have to reserve. What kind of a policy is that? Why would you want that as a minister&#x2014;being lobbied non-stop by Santos, Woodside and INPEX, all of these companies, rather than just having a very clear policy that delivers for Australians? I guess you would want it if you hoped to then end up in that industry. If we look at history, which I think is a pretty good predictor of the future, and if we look at our current resources minister and where they'll potentially end up, then it's a great policy!</para>
<para>I hear so much frustration&#x2014;not just frustration but anger&#x2014;from Australians at the lack of action and the lack of courage from this parliament, from both sides of politics, to actually just get a fair return from our resources. That should not be a radical idea. You have a crossbench that is urging you to do that, to stand up to these companies, and say, 'It's time you paid us as a country.'</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BLEYER</name>
    <name.id>25813</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Fossil fuel companies should pay their fair share of tax to transition away from fossil fuels. This is so important when it comes to decommissioning offshore oil and gas rigs. What is going on is that onshore mining companies are required to pay a bond to ensure that they clean up after themselves once they've finished extracting on land. Renters have to pay the landlord a bond to ensure they can clean up after themselves when they move out of their home. But, with offshore oil and gas, the companies are not required to pay a bond to clean up after themselves. There is currently 600 kilotons of offshore oil and gas infrastructure in our oceans. That will cost $60 billion to clean up. Who's going to foot the bill?</para>
<para>Let me give you an example. In July this year, a company decided that it didn't have the money to clean up after itself after it had finished extracting from our oceans. So it decided to go insolvent. And then this Labor government just moved a legislative instrument requiring money that originates from taxpayers to clean up this abandoned offshore rig. These offshore rigs, which sit there doing nothing, are polluting our oceans. They are emitting poisons into our oceans which are impacting our marine wildlife. This is an urgent matter. The taxpayers in this country should not be here paying for the clean-up for mega-rich fossil fuel companies of the mess that they are leaving in our oceans. I support this urgency motion. This parliament should make sure that the mega-rich fossil fuel corporations are paying their way to transition away from fossil fuels and cleaning up after themselves.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the motion as moved by Senator Hodgins-May be agreed to.</para>
<para>&#xA0;</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
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          <division.header>
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              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:52]<br/>(The President&#x2014;Senator Lines)</p>
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              <num.votes>11</num.votes>
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              <names>
                <name>Allman-Payne, P. J.</name>
                <name>Bleyer, V. E.</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                <name>Hodgins-May, S.</name>
                <name>McKim, N. J. (Teller)</name>
                <name>Payman, F.</name>
                <name>Pocock, B.</name>
                <name>Pocock, D. W.</name>
                <name>Shoebridge, D. M.</name>
                <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
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            <noes>
              <num.votes>34</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                <name>Bell, S.</name>
                <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A. D.</name>
                <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                <name>Darmanin, L.</name>
                <name>Dolega, J.</name>
                <name>Dowling, R.</name>
                <name>Ghosh, V.</name>
                <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                <name>Kovacic, M.</name>
                <name>Liddle, K. J. (Teller)</name>
                <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M.</name>
                <name>McGrath, J. A.</name>
                <name>Nampijinpa Price, J. S.</name>
                <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                <name>Polley, H.</name>
                <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                <name>Sheldon, A. V.</name>
                <name>Smith, D. A.</name>
                <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                <name>Sterle, G.</name>
                <name>Stewart, J. N. A.</name>
                <name>Tyrrell, T. M.</name>
                <name>Walker, C.</name>
                <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                <name>Whiteaker, E.</name>
                <name>Whitten, T.</name>
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              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
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        </division></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Taxation</title>
          <page.no>92</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
    <electorate/>
  </talker>
  <para>With the will of the chamber, we will proceed to the next urgency motion, standing in the name of Senator McGrath, and do one speaker, and then it will be 5 pm. The Senate will now consider the proposal, under standing order 75, from Senator McGrath, which has also been circulated and is shown on the Dynamic Red:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That, in the opinion of the Senate, the following is a matter of urgency:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Albanese Labor Government's proposed 30 per cent trust tax, which threatens to slug small and family businesses, farmers and hardworking Australians with up to $13.3 billion in restructuring costs, punishing the very people who take risks, create jobs and drive our economy, while Labor continues to pile more taxes, costs and uncertainty onto Australian businesses.</para></quote>
<para>Is consideration of the proposal supported?</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">More than the number of senators required by the standing orders having risen in their places&#x2014;</inline></para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>With the concurrence of the Senate, the clerks will set the clock in line with the informal arrangements made by the whips.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That, in the opinion of the Senate, the following is a matter of urgency:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Albanese Labor Government's proposed 30 per cent trust tax, which threatens to slug small and family businesses, farmers and hardworking Australians with up to $13.3 billion in restructuring costs, punishing the very people who take risks, create jobs and drive our economy, while Labor continues to pile more taxes, costs and uncertainty onto Australian businesses.</para></quote>
<para>I'm going to read out the motion so everybody knows what we're talking about here and why it is important. It is:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The Albanese Labor Government's proposed 30 per cent trust tax, which threatens to slug small and family businesses, farmers and hardworking Australians with up to $13.3 billion in restructuring costs, punishing the very people who take risks, create jobs and drive our economy, while Labor continues to pile more taxes, costs and uncertainty onto Australian businesses.</para></quote>
<para>What we have seen with this Labor government since the budget has been a war declared upon business, but not just any type of business&#x2014;a war on small businesses, the men and women who make sure that Australia grows the food that we eat. It is also an attack on the small businesses that we see on the main streets, in the suburbs and on the highways and other roads that bind this country together. And what do we hear from the Labor Party? We hear nothing. We hear the political equivalent of a 'nyeah': 'Oh, only a small number of people have trusts. It doesn't really matter. Farmers aren't workers. People who run small businesses aren't workers.'</para>
<para>What we've seen here is another version of Labor's class warfare, because they do not understand business. They do not understand small business, because when you look at them&#x2014;and I'd encourage people to not look at them, because you won't sleep for a month of Mondays&#x2014;you see that they are all union officials. They're all union barons. They've all got the nice soft hands because they've never done a day's manual labour in their lives. They go around working sites. They put on their nice shiny hats with the CFMEU or AWU stickers on them. They turn up and they pretend that they're the workers' friends. They're not the workers' friends, and they're not the friends of small business or of Australia.</para>
<para>They don't understand how Australia operates, because they see Australia through a bubble&#x2014;a bubble of their own union stranglehold on intellectual thought, which is a drought within the modern Labor Party. They don't realise that tax money comes from people who have worked hard. It is not the Labor Party's money. It's not the government's money. It is money that belongs to the taxpayers of Australia, and what the Labor Party want to do with the taxpayers' money is continue with all their boondoggles. You wonder why we've got $1 trillion worth of debt? Well, just look at the Labor Party. I'm one of those people who grew up under Bob Hawke and Paul Keating. Remember Paul Keating with his $96 billion worth of debt that Mr Howard and Mr Costello paid off? There was money in the bank when, sadly, we lost the 2007 election. What are the Labor Party going to give to Australians, apart from a bunch of tax rises? They're going to give a trillion dollars worth of debt. This is the modern Labor Party, the so-called workers' friend. They're not a friend of the workers and they're not a friend of small business, because fundamentally they just don't understand small business.</para>
<para>If you ask the Labor Party, 'Where does your food come from?' they say, 'Oh, the fridge.' They don't understand that it actually comes from the farmers who get up before dawn and go to sleep late at night. This is where your food comes from. We are a country that grows three times the amount of food that we need. We export the food, but to this mob they just see farmers as a big fat dairy cow that they can milk like this to get the tax out of them, to fund their projects and all their boondoggles and things like that. And good luck to Hansard with putting 'this' in! Just say that the senator gestured like he was milking a cow!</para>
<para>And then there come the small businesses.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McGrath, please sit down. Senator Ayres?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Ayres</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Can you get him to do it again?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McGrath, I'm very sorry to interrupt you.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That was an irrelevant point of order, and that's what we expect from this Labor Party: they are irrelevant when it comes to the country. They can't run the country properly and they can't do points of order properly either.</para>
<para>I want to go back to this urgency motion before someone gets me on relevance. It's going to cost small businesses across this country $13.3 billion in terms of restructuring because of the decisions made by you, because you don't understand how businesses operate, and it's a shame upon you. If we did not have businesses, they could not employ people. If people don't have jobs, it means they do not believe and do not join in the Australian dream, and that's what we want Australians to do, because the Australian dream is all about people like Senator Jonno Duniam, who is living the Australian dream. He's leaving this chamber, he's going out into the big wide world and we are going to miss him. We're going to miss his eloquence. We're going to miss everything about him. I encourage people to support this urgency motion.</para>
<para>Debate interrupted.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>PARLIAMENTARY REPRESENTATION</title>
        <page.no>94</page.no>
        <type>PARLIAMENTARY REPRESENTATION</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Valedictory</title>
          <page.no>94</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
    <electorate/>
  </talker>
  <para>Pursuant to order, the Senate will now move to the valedictory statements on this sad but also celebratory occasion of Senator Duniam valedictory.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, thank you, President. What a segue! It's always a big job to follow Senator McGrath&#x2014;what can I say&#x2014;but what a wonderful introduction.</para>
<para>Ten years, one month and 13 days ago, I stood not here in this place but somewhere over there and I delivered my first speech to the Senate. In that first speech, I finished up by quoting my late grandmother, a former Labor candidate&#x2014;and of course everyone has their flaws! She was a super mum and also Burnie councillor, Iris Graham OAM, whose motto for life was 'deeds, not words'. For the last 10 years, that expression has stayed with me and has been a guide on how I hoped to conduct myself as a senator for the state of Tasmania. And, while of course it will be for others to judge&#x2014;and I'm sure they will&#x2014;whether or not I've done that, I can say today that I've actually given this job everything I have. Nonetheless, it seems only fair that the words of my grandmother that she lived by should be the test against which I am judged.</para>
<para>I should point out that, in preparing for today and looking back at my first speech those years ago, it was clear to me just how very little I knew about life on the day I arrived, how ill-prepared I was for what awaited me. Still, as I reflected, I think my north star was right and my hopes for my country and the people I was going to represent remained the right ones.</para>
<para>In trying to sum up my time in this place and bring it to an end, I'm not sure my words will ever adequately cover the many reflections, the thoughts and feelings I have as I prepare to leave. To represent one's fellow Australians in this place is a serious role, and it is truly the honour of a lifetime. If you take it seriously, it in turn will take most of you. And that is indeed what actually puts a use-by date on this job.</para>
<para>When a new senator arrives, you never know what to expect&#x2014;what challenges you'll confront, what opportunities will present themselves, how difficult some days will be or, indeed, how satisfying it is when you get things done for your community. Indeed, when I arrived 10 years ago, I could not have predicted the twists and turns or the challenges our country would face during my time here. I should have known, though, because when I came in I came in as part of that upheaval that was the double dissolution election. I should have known right then that nothing was going to be straightforward. It was only about a year later that, of course, we had the massive change through our parliament as a result of the constitutional and citizenship crisis that turned our parliament on its head. We then had the seismic events of COVID that changed how we lived and how our country functioned. Some of the scars of that time I don't think many Australians will ever heal from. Indeed, along this journey there have been challenges we face globally, including conflict overseas and international economic challenges that we can't hide from, no matter how well insulated we think we are. There of course has also been the odd leadership change too, just in case anyone was bored with Australian politics at any given point; they certainly do spice things up!</para>
<para>I, for one, can't forget the events of the end of last year, when 15 innocent people lost their lives simply because of who they were. The road that led to those events and the pain felt since that time&#x2014;the most significant terror attack on our shores in our nation's history&#x2014;has left a mark on our nation forever. All of this has been against the backdrop of a media landscape that is very different to how it was when I arrived. At an ever-increasing pace, we have a vociferously hungry press gallery needing updates and answers to questions 24 hours a day. While I've enjoyed having my weekends interrupted by my friends in the press gallery, I'm not so sure I'm going to miss your Sunday morning calls anymore. Social media, too, has become a hungry beast that needs to be fed lest the void be filled by others who may not share your views or interests.</para>
<para>Challenge and change have been a hallmark of recent times in Australian politics, like never before, and how we handle these tests is how we will be judged. Right now, the challenges that face us are many and varied, and it doesn't matter where you sit on the political spectrum; there is generally an acceptance of what the problems are. The difference comes in how we respond, which, in our adversarial parliamentary system, is what writes our political epitaph. I've long said that there are three parts to being a politician: (1) travel, which sucks, (2) politics, and I don't mean the good kind, and (3) being a problem-solver, which I think is the best part of the job. The most important role any of us will ever have, no matter where we actually sit in this chamber, is that of problem-solver&#x2014;perhaps for an individual constituent, a community group, a part of the economy or maybe the entire nation. Sometimes I think that role does get lost in the work that we do here, but it's important to remind ourselves of that essential anchor in elected life.</para>
<para>I've had the tremendous blessing of being appointed to various leadership, ministerial and shadow ministerial roles over my decade here, and I do thank the leaders of my party for entrusting me with these roles over time. I certainly did become a jack-of-all-trades while I was here, whether it was forestry, fisheries, tourism, industry development, education and early learning, Home Affairs or immigration. All those different portfolios always required the same discipline and the same KPI: understand your portfolio, identify the problems, find a solution, communicate it to the electorate and hope it translates into trust. Then, hopefully, people will cast a vote for you and your party. While I've prided myself on my own work ethic and on abiding by those rules, that pattern has obviously only worked to a limited degree, given I find myself in opposition. I'm not going to rattle off a mundane list of things I've done or policies or projects I've been a part of delivering; they stand for themselves. But I do want to thank the hundreds, maybe thousands, of amazing Australians I've met, over time, who've driven change and innovation and were the inspiration behind the projects that I've supported.</para>
<para>Not wasting time and getting the most out of the time we have here, which is limited for all of us, is paramount. Indeed, right up until my last day, I've been making the most of the time I have. Last week, I was proud to be a part of the work led by Angus Taylor on the coalition's immigration policy. While not everyone will agree with our approach or the intended outcome, I'm proud of the work and the professional, robust policy that the opposition has put forward. The problem our country is facing is patently clear, and now we've offered our solution for Australians to consider ahead of the next election.</para>
<para>Earlier, I mentioned the unexpected nature of the challenges and opportunities we confront over time. As my time as a member of this parliament draws to a close, we are presented with one of the most capacious opportunities I believe we will see in our lifetimes, and that is the rise and proliferation of artificial intelligence. It is coming whether we like it or not, and, to some extent, it is already here. The choice we have is whether we take the opportunity that AI is presenting on our terms or have those terms dictated to us. It is my ardent belief that we as a nation must chart our course this year&#x2014;lay down the rules, structures, policies and arrangements to facilitate the best possible outcome for AI take-up in our country. The work I've been able to help lead on the multipartisan committee examining AI has provided a blueprint for us to follow, and I want to thank the Prime Minister's Office for spellchecking my work and for leaving track changes on. I'm also grateful to a certain crossbench senator for picking up on the PMO's work picking up my typos.</para>
<para>Seriously, though, the economic opportunities and the national security imperative depend on us getting this right. That was the aim of the committee's letter. We should not be distracted from that. If we don't get it right, we will not only miss the boat on enormous potential, but we will also be exposed to our adversaries who will, with malevolent intent, take advantage and equip themselves with the power of AI. This is not a call for a blank cheque but a call to recognise the urgency to get this done on our terms.</para>
<para>Good friends are essential in this place and&#x2014;contrary to popular belief&#x2014;there are good people here. Indeed, in my view, they are the majority. It's impossible to be friends with everyone, and indeed anyone who tries is a fool, though it's not impossible to seek to find ways to get along despite the differences that may exist. Of course, we all have our trusted friends and colleagues, people we confide in, people we turn to for advice and those we can vent to at the end of a long day. Having a war cabinet you can rely on is essential, and I want to turn to my Canberra family. Matt O'Sullivan and Andrew Hastie have been brothers that have given me a boost and helped me grow in ways that are hard to describe. Your godly counsel and friendship will remain a cornerstone for me in life well beyond parliament. Though I have to say it remains one of life's great mysteries: how did two men with full heads of hair&#x2014;I'm exhibit A&#x2014;end up sharing a bathroom when the man with no hair got a bathroom of his own? To what is left of that original grouping of formerly younger senators, soon to be known as the G4, James Paterson, Claire Chandler, who is soon to be a mother, and Slade Brockman, thank you for your friendship. I look forward to supporting you from outside this place.</para>
<para>Indeed, I spoke earlier about the unknowns and uncertainties when you come into this place. All of this has been softened and made easier by those who sit around me. My colleagues from the Liberal and National parties have very much become family, from mad uncles to annoying cousins through to siblings you look forward to seeing. This team of whom I'm proud to be a part has helped me get the most out of every day here and actually enjoy it more than I otherwise would have. I say thank you to my team for your grace when I stuff up, for laughing at my jokes on cue, but importantly for making up the fantastic team that works so well together. I'd love to name all of you, but I think, given our bond, you know how special you are all to me. Of course to my friends who ventured to the rarefied air of the Senate from the other place&#x2014;while at times we speak different languages, your friendship and support have been invaluable.</para>
<para>To my own leadership team here in the Senate&#x2014;Michaelia Cash, whose source of energy still mystifies me. For someone who has limited caffeine intake and doesn't drink wine, you amaze me. Your leadership has been tremendous in the Senate. To Anne Ruston, Jane Hume and our whips team led by Maria Kovacic and of course formerly by Wendy Askew, thank you for the roles you've played in keeping this train on the rails. To Matt Canavan and Bridget McKenzie, I'm sorry I never joined the Nats. I think I would have fitted in, though the only downside is that cowboy hats ruin my hair. To Angus Taylor, I want to thank you for entrusting me with the important work that you asked me to do and for being so very supportive of me in my decision to leave when I know it is probably not what you wanted. Thank you.</para>
<para>People tune into question time&#x2014;I'm not sure how many, but some do&#x2014;and they see a fair degree of acrimony. It's only fair that people would assume that no-one in this place is friends, especially when it comes to the party divide. I have the very good fortune of being able to say that I leave this place with friendships with a number of people who disagree with me on nearly everything. I look down the government frontbench, and I see people I would call friends despite being formidable opponents, like the government leader, Senator Wong, who of course&#x2014;and I'm going to let the cat out of the bag now&#x2014;colluded with me to rein in and almost kill off formal business motions. Sorry, crossbench! There's my Tasmanian colleague Carol Brown, who conspired with me to get funding for Foodbank in Tasmania a couple of elections ago. I don't think we ever told our headquarters that we did that! Well done! I look down to the Greens there and I see my opposite number, Senator Hanson-Young, with whom I found much in common, mainly through trying to outwit the government, sometimes with success.</para>
<para>Some people say that the Senate is like a French film. It seems like it makes sense, but then it doesn't&#x2014;even to us. However, a functioning Senate is an important thing, and I think people often overlook how important we actually are. In trying to make this place function, there is one person from the other team I've come to build a tremendous friendship with, and that is Katy Gallagher. You wouldn't read about it&#x2014;a left-wing Labor lady and a right-wing Liberal bloke striking up a great relationship. When difficult discussions were to be had between warring parties, your humanity has made the difference.</para>
<para>None of us admit this until our valedictory speeches&#x2014;and I'm not going to be any different here&#x2014;but the fact is that staff make this place tick and frankly save us from ourselves most of the time. To my staff team over the years, I want to thank you. To John Polack, John Klonaris, Jono Maran&#x2014;yes, we had some name variation in my office&#x2014;Mary Seselja, Danielle Fontane, Claire and Nick Dunham, Will Calvert-Jones, Bec Dunham, Danielle McKay, Jack Morgan and the many wonderful people who have done their best to make me not look like a fool over the last decade, I want to thank you. I'm grateful for the patience you've all shown me, the hard work you've put in and your willingness to take my late night, early morning and weekend phone calls, which often don't have a point. But I'm especially grateful that you all realise that too many cooks spoil the broth.</para>
<para>Of course, for most of us, we don't get here without our parties&#x2014;the organisations we believe in and that we unite behind as we go to the people seeking their trust. The Liberal Party in Tasmania means a lot to me and has given me all I have. The gratitude I have for every role I've fulfilled by virtue of my great party is immeasurable. Indeed, I would never have been able to contribute as a senator but for my Tasmanian Liberal Party. That includes our party president, Michael McKenna, who made some extremely difficult decisions to strengthen our party; our treasurer, Jackie Martin; our state director, Sam McQuestin; and the many members who supported me and our party in a number of ways over so many years, including and especially people like Dorothy Dehais and, of course, my first boss, Paul Calvert, former president. To every single member of the Tasmanian Liberal Party who pay their fees each year because they love and want to advance Tasmania, thank you for what you do for our state, our country and our great party.</para>
<para>We all have tutors in life, and I want to single out a few people here tonight. Don Morris, Darcy Tronson and Brad Stansfield are three political professionals who've imparted to me great knowledge and who've been some of the greatest assets to the Tasmanian division of the party. My parents-in-law, Tina and Zekri Palushi, imparted to me the stories and lessons arising from a life without freedom and democracy. Their support and wisdom&#x2014;and, of course, sharing with me the story of my wife's great-grandfather, Fran Mirakaj, who I referred to in my first speech, who was martyred for his stance on democracy and Christianity in Albania&#x2014;have all helped me to fight the good fight for freedom in this place. Of course, also, to Abby, Ben and Endrit, thank you for your love and support and for being here today as well.</para>
<para>To my own family&#x2014;my mum, Mary, who is a force of nature and who incidentally is also retiring from public life this month, so there are going to be a lot of Duniams with spare time on their hands; my dad, Roy, who has been the most steady and tremendous support to all of us in all that we do; and my siblings, Matt, who is here and thank you for coming, and my sister, Paula, who can't be here&#x2014;thank you for your love and good humour through the last decade of this journey.</para>
<para>When I entered this place, my sons were just young boys. I remember looking up, and I could barely see them poking over the edge of the barrier there. In fact, my youngest, Spencer, was so young that he was in care on the other side of the building in the early learning centre during my first speech. But, as usual, time did what time does. Today, one of them, my son Hugo, is an adult, and my middle son, Henry, is well on the way. Along with my wife, Anisa, my boys are the joy of my life. They are three young men of whom I am proud and who I dearly love.</para>
<para>My family are the biggest blessing from God that any man could ever ask for. For 10 years, boys, I've been doing this&#x2014;plus all the time prior. You've been missing out on holidays with dad, time at home with him and all the normal things that many of your friends got. You've done it all with grace and maturity. I am grateful for the support that you've shown me through how you've handled this, and I know it hasn't been easy. But it's over now. For 10 years I've given this everything, but I dedicate the rest of my life to supporting you, nurturing you and helping you as you go on to your own adult lives.</para>
<para>Now, for anyone who's worried, my boys were not left alone at home. They benefited from the care and love of their mother, my wife, Anisa. The reality is, as everyone in this place who has children knows, that the absence means it falls to the other parent to do family&#x2014;to raise, to correct, to educate, to discipline, to run around, to feed, to do everything. When things go wrong, that parent is on their own. It is difficult. Politicians' families are just like every other family. There are problems. There's illness. There are things that need dealing with. In our case, it was Anisa who kept the home fires burning bright and made sure everyone had what they needed when they needed it. Being able to contribute at all in public life for me would not have been possible without Anisa's support and her fearless and extremely frank feedback, which has certainly aided in my personal and professional growth, shall we say. Anisa, as I said in my speech 10 years ago, I will be thanking you for the rest of my life. And I think that's right, although I have this sneaking suspicion that those thankyous are going to become more expensive as time goes on.</para>
<para>Speaking of famous Albanian women, Mother Teresa, in her 1979 Nobel Prize acceptance speech, reflected on where goodness and love start in the world, from a Christian perspective. She said, and I quote:</para>
<quote><para class="block">And if we really believe, we will begin to love. And if we love, naturally, we will try to do something. First in our own home, our next door neighbor, in the country we live, in the whole world.</para></quote>
<para>That is a reminder to me that first getting it right at home, having the love in a family, is where change in the world really does begin. So, to that question that I've been asked more times than I care to remember, 'Why are you going,' I think the answer for you all tonight is abundantly clear. But, President, I can tell you I'd rather have people asking me why I'm going than when I am going to go! Although, given it's been four months since I announced my retirement, it is getting a bit to that time!</para>
<para>Everyone likes free stuff, so I thought I'd throw in some free advice today. Our adversarial system of politics is a breeding ground for division, where points of difference and argument are increasingly the only way to cut through. That's necessary and healthy in a contest of ideas, but it shouldn't be at the expense of resolving issues in the national interest. It's incumbent upon all of us to find ways to resolve issues that confront Australia. We will and we should always have our counterarguments. But Australians are looking for mature debate, where Australia's best interests come first.</para>
<para>Former US prosecutor Roy Cohn from the McCarthy, reds-under-the-bed era, is credited with coming up with the 'three nevers' rule: never apologise, never admit, and never back down. With trust in politics at a low ebb, his advice could not be a bigger bum steer. There is nothing wrong with admitting when we get something wrong. And, in fact, I think it should be applauded. I note, though, I say this from opposition, where of course it's an art form to seize on admissions of failure and defeat. But I believe it is in the country's interest to admit when things don't work and change course if needed.</para>
<para>As part of this free advice, it wouldn't be complete without at least one Bible reference from me. Jesus said in the Parable of the Faithful Servant in Luke 12, 'To whom much is given, much is expected.' To all of us in this place, much has been given, without exception. Therefore, from all of us much is expected by our community and by our country. And I hope every day those who go on to occupy this place remember this and live it out in whatever form they can.</para>
<para>As I conclude, I must acknowledge that the challenge for my party is real, and no-one can deny that. But this challenge is not insurmountable. I come from a proud party with strong foundations. The Liberal heritage, the legacy and the record are all things to be proud of. Having just handed down our methodically crafted and strong immigration policy, I've been reflecting on the legacy of our party when it comes to strong borders. I've been reflecting on how we've been the only party in the past to end the people-smuggling trade and fix a broken migration system. I've been reflecting on how my party remains the party of fiscal prudence and strong economic management. One doesn't have to cast their mind back too far to recall the debt the Howard government was left with, which they paid off and turned into the Future Fund money set aside for the advancement of our country.</para>
<para>We have a history, and we should be proud of it. My party can give Australians what they need, not by pretending to be someone else or seeking to appease certain actors but by returning to our roots&#x2014;by backing in with conviction our values framework the We Believe statement offers and explaining why it is better than the alternative. We should never wave the white flag. We should always put forward our plan and make the case for people to vote for us. My party has been around for decades. It isn't populist. It isn't flash in the pan. It is here to stay. And, sure, we may have spent some time in the wilderness, but we have our bearings now, and I know we will be able to get back over there into government.</para>
<para>I commenced by quoting my late grandmother. I conclude by quoting my great-great-grandfather Tasman Underhill Duniam I&#x2014;I'm a history buff&#x2014;who, when being asked by a committee of the Tasmanian parliament in 1882 about the success or otherwise of his farming venture in the new farming district of Mount Hicks in north-west Tasmania, having given up the comfort of his paid employment, said: 'People said I would starve. I have not yet starved'&#x2014;and, to be clear, he never starved, otherwise I wouldn't be here today! People can choose to do what is comfortable forever or they can challenge themselves and go on to do new and different things. I don't know what awaits me outside this chamber, but they do tell me that there is life after politics. Whatever it is, I'm very much looking forward to it. It's time for me to go now, President. I thank the Senate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise on behalf of the government and the Labor Party&#x2014;although I know my friend and your friend Senator Gallagher will make a contribution shortly&#x2014;and on my own behalf to acknowledge Jonno, Senator Duniam, and to thank him for his contribution to the parliament and his service to the people of Tasmania. Over more than a decade in this place, Senator Duniam has served in many roles&#x2014;assistant minister, shadow minister and senior parliamentary leadership roles&#x2014;and, in these roles, he has brought his trademark courtesy, dignity and humour, as was on display today. He has been a strong advocate for his state. He has approached his responsibilities with seriousness, a willingness to engage constructively and probably the best head of hair in the chamber&#x2014;sorry, Michaelia!</para>
<para>I have always believed in this place that we are best when we recognise that there are many people of goodwill who come here to make a difference even across political divides. Senator Duniam is absolutely one of those people. He is a proud Tasmanian, raised in the north-west, educated in Burnie and at the University of Tasmania. As you would have seen, from both his first speech and his last speech, he has a long tradition in his family of public service. I did not know this, but I am told that your grandmother was the first woman elected to Burnie Council in 1953 and she was&#x2014;I'm pleased to report&#x2014;a Labor candidate for the Tasmanian Legislative Council. So, at last, there is some evidence of good political judgement in the Duniam family! Of course, Senator Duniam's mother, who he spoke about today, was the first woman elected mayor in her local council, and his grandfather Tasman predicted Jonno would become a senator. I'm sure he would be enormously proud of what you have achieved.</para>
<para>I knew Senator Duniam over many years in the various roles he has worked in associated with the Senate. I simply wanted to make sure I, again, placed on record my acknowledgement of his approach to working across the chamber. I want to say how much we have valued his courtesy, his willingness to put the national interest first, his very good sense of humour and his good humour even when I have compared him to Hugh Grant. Senator Duniam knows that our first responsibility is to the people we serve and to this institution. He has spoken movingly, including today, of his family's experience, that of the family of his wife, Anisa, who fled a dictatorship in Albania, and what that has taught him about the importance of our democracy. That is a reminder that the arguments we have in this chamber, however fierce, are a privilege. The right to disagree is the very thing so many have fled to find.</para>
<para>Today, as Senator Duniam prepares to spend more time with Anisa and their three sons, Hugo, Henry and Spencer, I wish all of you all the very best. Senator Duniam, you said that your grandmother's motto was 'deeds, not words'. Your service has honoured that motto. So thank you, congratulations and may your next chapter bring plenty of family time and far fewer divisions.</para>
</speech>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I, too, rise to pay tribute to my very dear friend and colleague Senator&#x2014;sadly, soon not to be&#x2014;Jonno Duniam. Jonno, you will have heard this a million times over the last four months&#x2014;I have no doubt you will hear it again tonight, and you will continue to hear this&#x2014;but you know that we believe you are leaving us far too soon. You are an outstanding political talent, and you still have an enormous amount to give. But, as I have often said to people in politics&#x2014;I think there are very few people other than those of us who serve in politics who really know the value of this&#x2014;as a politician, to be able to choose the time of your departure and the terms upon which you leave, is probably the greatest gift that can be given to you. So, as selfishlessly as possible, as we would like you to stay, we absolutely respect the reasons that you are leaving.</para>
<para>Jonno's valedictory was typically Jonno&#x2014;full of humour and incredibly witty but, I have to say, very self-deprecating. I'm going to give a slightly more formal speech so that I can properly set out on the record, Jonno, for when you are eventually reading these speeches in the future, your record of service in this place. For someone who has only served for 10 years, you well and truly are leaving a legacy of which you should be incredibly proud. As many of you know, and it has been stated, although he only looks 24 years of age, he's actually been around politics for over 25 years. You've done incredibly well. You've served 10 years in the Senate.</para>
<para>I know Jonno from quite a while ago, when he was a very talented young staffer working for our former leader in this place and a senator for Tasmania&#x2014;and now a member of the Tasmanian parliament&#x2014;and that, of course, is Eric Abetz. Eric, though, wasn't your first political employer. You had already worked, as you said, for Tasmanian senator and former president in this place Paul Calvert. Then came Stephen Parry. You were deputy chief of staff to Will Hodgman, including when the Tasmanian Liberals returned to government in 2014.</para>
<para>So, when Jonno arrived in this chamber in 2016, it was almost a perfect fit. Yes, you were a new senator, but you certainly were not new to politics. You had a grasp of the parliament but, in particular, the Senate that very few will have even today after serving in this place. One of the most important things that I noticed about you&#x2014;and you've articulated this in your speech today&#x2014;is that you genuinely cared about people, particularly the people of Tasmania. I'm a proud Western Australian. I completely understand the advocacy that you gave to the people of Tasmania. You're incredibly proud of the state from which you come.</para>
<para>You were promoted very quickly. You served as Assistant Minister for Forestry and Fisheries, for regional tourism and for industry development. I recall that because you helped support Australia's tourism industry&#x2014;not many may remember this though&#x2014;through the devastating bushfires. That was an utterly devastating period of our time which sadly then progressed very quickly into COVID. You were a true champion for Tasmania's forestry, fishery and aquaculture industries. I recall well that you fought for the Mersey hospital in Tasmania. I have to say, I think that's where we all learnt that you were never, ever afraid to make your voice heard in Canberra when it was in the best interests of representing your constituency in Tasmania.</para>
<para>The one thing that I think we all learnt from you, and it is an incredibly impressive trait to have as a member of parliament, is that, once you decide something needs fixing, there is very little chance you are actually ever going to stop until the challenge and the problem that you have identified is fixed. As you said in your speech, that is why we are here&#x2014;to solve problems for others.</para>
<para>You were then elected as shadow minister for the environment and shadow minister for fisheries and forestry, and I think that was when every single person in this place understood. You mastered the brief, you mastered the detail and you campaigned, in particular, to protect salmon farming in Macquarie Harbour. That is the perfect example of the diligence that you had. When the industry's future was thrown into uncertainty, you took the fight to Senate estimates, onto the floor of this chamber and into the national debate. And you were successful. Well done.</para>
<para>I acknowledge, in particular, your contribution as Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate. People think that the leader's job is a tough job, and I think, certainly, Senator Wong would agree. But I have to say our jobs are made so much easier by our managers in this place. You were an utterly outstanding manager. There are long days, difficult decisions, plenty of pressure and occasionally, as you've said, some fairly colourful moments in this chamber. When you are leading a team in this place, you absolutely need a manager who (a) knows what he's doing and, more than that, (b) has your back. I always knew, when I spoke to you, that I trusted you implicitly. You were someone that I could have a quick three-second phone call with, and we'd know exactly what had to be done. And then you went and did it. I don't think we should ever underestimate the roles of the managers in this place, because they well and truly do keep this place running. I have valued your honesty, your judgement and your loyalty. I have enjoyed working with you enormously; I think you know that I've loved working with you. But, more than that, I have valued your friendship.</para>
<para>There was something particularly poignant about Jonno's first speech in the Senate in September 2016. He spoke proudly of being a sixth-generation Tasmanian and of the influence of his wife Anisa's family&#x2014;and we've heard that from Jonno tonight&#x2014;who had experienced communist dictatorship in Albania. Towards the end of that speech, he turned to his three young sons&#x2014;Hugo, Henry and Spencer&#x2014;who are not so young anymore, and he said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I know there will be times when we will not see a lot of each other &#x2026;</para></quote>
<para>That was 10 years ago and, as Jonno said tonight: boys, you were little then. Even then, though, Jonno understood the sacrifices this life would demand of them&#x2014;the weeks in Canberra, the campaigns, the missed birthdays and the weekends. Today those three little boys are young men. Hugo, Henry and Spencer: thank you for sharing your dad with us. Sorry, Jonno, I'm going to get more emotional talking about your family than you. To Anisa, who I just adore: Jonno described you in his first speech as his ever-understanding wife. Political spouses carry an enormous burden. You don't stand for election, but you live with every consequence of political life. So, on behalf of all of us in the coalition, thank you for everything you've done to enable Jonno to serve.</para>
<para>Jonno, you've mentioned this tonight, and Senator Wong has mentioned this tonight. In your first speech you spoke of your late grandmother Iris Graham, who lived by the simple motto: 'Deeds, not words'. And, 10 years later, you've lived up to that promise. You have served Tasmania with distinction. You have served our party with loyalty. The Liberal Party will miss you. The Senate will miss you. Your colleagues will miss you. But Anisa, Hugo, Henry and Spencer: you're getting someone very, very special back. I wish you every happiness in the next chapter. You've certainly earned it.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise this evening very reluctantly. In fact, I don't like losing arguments or votes. Yet I've been unable to convince Senator Duniam to change his mind and not leave this place. And I have tried. I'm also unaccustomed to giving nice speeches about a political opponent. In fact, this is my first one ever and possibly my last. When I was thinking about what to say, I thought, 'I wonder if I'll end his career by saying nice things.' But then I remembered that you'd already done that yourself. So, despite my opposition to you leaving&#x2014;and I accept that you disagree with me on that&#x2014;I won't subject your departure to a vote of this Senate, because I have a feeling that I would have the numbers to win a vote that required you to stay. I think the number that have turned up here this afternoon in this chamber, including from the other place, to listen to you and your valedictory speech is a testament to the high regard with which you are held across the parliament. I do accept that Senator Duniam has four very good reasons to leave&#x2014;Anisa, Hugo, Henry and Spencer&#x2014;who have sacrificed a great deal to have a husband and father a federal senator, so often away or consumed by work. It is a sacrifice made by all of our families that, at some point, has to be righted, and that time has come for the Duniam family.</para>
<para>For those of us who have worked closely with Senator Duniam, we will miss him in this chamber, in the work of the Senate more broadly and, I believe, in national politics. He's given a decade of dedicated service to the people of Tasmania and to this chamber, a decade of committee work, executive roles under the former government and, of course, more recently, the thankless but essential work of the Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate. He has given decades of service to the Liberal Party of Australia, including across various roles before being elected. For a young guy, it's a very impressive record of achievement. To the Senator Duniam of 10 years ago, who came into this chamber and spoke about Tasmania and spoke passionately about politics with principle and practical outcomes&#x2014;the Senator Duniam of 2026 can leave this chamber knowing that he has remained true to what he said in that first speech, not only in how he worked and what he achieved but also in the way he worked.</para>
<para>I believe that decency and respect are often undervalued qualities in politics. Senator Duniam has both and holds them close. To be able to make your political point, to argue your case and to outline your alternative view without getting personal, belittling or seeking to silence alternative views is quite rare in modern politics, but that's how Jonno works, and, because of that approach, people listen to him and take him seriously, as reflected in the number who have come to listen to him tonight. This way of operating really harks back to a different time in our political history, long before the 24/7 news cycle and social media driven click obsessed politics of today where everything seems fair game as long as the algorithms reward you. So perhaps the biggest compliment I can give you is to say you did your politics without the need for algorithmic endorsement&#x2014;practical politics, a believer in tradition and the power of institutions and true blue Liberal.</para>
<para>On paper, I accept that the two of us are not natural friends. We come from different political parties and have different views on a lot of things&#x2014;politics, tofu and 'Sky after dark', for example. We've had many discussions about all three of those subjects. We have different backgrounds, different ages&#x2014;a Tasmanian conservative Liberal and an ACT lefty from the Labor Party. However, none of that has got in the way of Senator Duniam and I becoming good friends who respect and trust each other, particularly through this term after you took on the role of Manager of Opposition Business and our paths began to cross on a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute basis.</para>
<para>Through our friendship, I've learnt that there is something very lovely about making friends with someone you don't expect to. Perhaps it's that you don't expect much and so are pleasantly surprised on the upside. But, in our mad, high-pressure, adversarial and conflict driven world, to build a friendship out of that world is something special. You, Sarah and I have done that as managers without agreeing with each other on pretty much anything that comes to this chamber.</para>
<para>Even on those really tough votes where you lose or where we lose and where it matters for different reasons, the ability to separate the politics from the personal and to immediately move on grudge free is something that's hard to come by and something that we should work to protect. I have loved the wheeling and dealing; the doing each other over; sometimes winning, sometimes losing, and sometimes in between; delivering on our jobs; and remaining true to our respective positions. The fact that we were able to have a laugh, to have some fun, has made those long days and weeks in the chamber more bearable. Our Thursday end-of-sitting week reflection meetings&#x2014;that makes them sound official&#x2014;were something to look forward to, something we started planning on the Monday for the Thursday, and it's one Sarah and I will keep going.</para>
<para>You leave this chamber with much to be proud of from your time here and perhaps more importantly and more excitingly, with so much more ahead of you. Of course, you're taking the time for your family and, in particular, Anisa and the boys. You have much to be proud of from your time here. I know how much you've missed them and felt torn by the separation that working in Canberra and other travel imposes on them. You have chosen to leave politics on your terms and in your own time. I hope that you're able to enjoy some stress-free time with all of them, without 'Sky after dark'interrupting your evening. See&#x2014;I can't let it go! But your next opportunity will come along before you know it.</para>
<para>So thank you for your friendship, your professionalism and your public service. And you might be able to leave the Senate, but our friendship is ongoing.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise as the leader of the National Party in the Senate to associate our party with, obviously, the words of Senator Cash, but also of Senator Wong and Senator Gallagher, about Jonno Duniam. Jonno, your grandmother Iris had a good turn of phrase; luckily, I know the Latin: factis, non verbis&#x2014;school mottos come in handy!&#x2014;which is, 'tis by deeds, not by words. I think that is something she, your family and you have lived by. You have lived your values, as a conservative, as a man of faith and as a man of your word, which is so important in leadership.</para>
<para>I'm glad I wasn't the first one to mention it, but Senator Wong let the cat out of the bag. When you did arrive here, a while ago, you were described as the Hugh Grant of the Senate&#x2014;and yes, it was your hair in the main, but there were other attributes! So, on that, Penny and I agree&#x2014;probably for the first time in a couple of years.</para>
<para>Veteran Jonno is leaving at 43, after a quarter of a century of service in politics. You're the dealmaker, as Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate. Most of his work happened out of sight. He was very good at it, because people on all sides trusted his word. I think, when people reflect on your service here, your most used phrase on <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline> will be: 'I rise to make a one-minute statement'! I tell you what: they were tough days, when we had to rise to make a one-minute statement, when we were in government, to explain why we, with the government, were voting a certain way. They were tough days to be a conservative in the coalition, I can tell you.</para>
<para>He's charm personified&#x2014;an absolute charmer. The banter between Jonno, Carol Brown, Helen Polley and, before, Catryna Bilyk, was absolutely priceless. They were eating out of the palm of his hand&#x2014;</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Nampijinpa Price</name>
    <name.id>263528</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>They were all blushing!</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That's right! He's principled, serious and wickedly funny. These qualities rarely come together in one person in this building, but, Jonno, in you, they definitely did.</para>
<para>As a fellow conservative, I think most times we absolutely had each other's back. When we disagreed, knowing that you understood where I had to come from was very, very special. I particularly remember our on-floor discussions during the hate law speeches this year, and I really appreciated those conversations.</para>
<para>You're a home and family man. A true conservative, you love your family, you love your community and you love your country, in that order. And, Jonno, you are living your values, through this decision, as you have lived your values your entire life.</para>
<para>You've served the Nationals&#x2014;and I hope we were your most fabulous senior ministers&#x2014;particularly as to fisheries and forestry. You did accomplish much in those portfolios, not just for Tasmania but for our country, and I really appreciate it.</para>
<para>I'm very excited for you that you're actually escaping the asylum! I know that Hugo, Harry and Spencer will absolutely enjoy your company. I hope that you get to read Rod Dreher, and I know we discussed <inline font-style="italic">Live Not by Lies</inline> recently and that whole notion of how we can put the 'serve' back into conservatism, and I think it's something that you, individually, have tried to do. I've been very proud to work with you on the migration taskforce, and I think we've really landed in a place that puts conservative values and our nation's future firmly at the front and centre. So thank you. I just want to wish you all the very, very best. To Anisa: enjoy. You're going to have a fabulous time.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Duniam, I'm very sorry to see you leave. You've been one of the people in this place that have made it work, as so many others have already said tonight. I want to associate myself with the comments made by Senator Wong, Senator Cash, Senator Gallagher and Senator McKenzie.</para>
<para>I want to just let the Senate know of a few little things I do know about you. Firstly, people may not know that Jonno and I first really got to know each other when I sued him&#x2014;successfully, I might say. It was obviously never his fault. It was Sky News. It's always Sky After Dark's fault. Of course, Senator Duniam got caught up while he was on air on Sky After Dark one night, and he did say something that was untrue, so I acted. True to his values, Jonno admitted straightaway that he'd made a mistake and that he'd made an error. I remember you coming up to me at the coffee table outside the committee room&#x2014;we were in the middle of an estimates hearing. You were so apologetic. You were so gobsmacked that you'd made the mistake, and it really went straight to your character of being honest and being principled. I'll never forget that, because we were in the middle of sending legal letters off to each other, right there and then. As it turned out, Sky News did have to pay up, but Jonno's apology was all I needed from him. So thank you for your honesty right from the beginning and for the principles that you have brought into this place, because it only works to get things done when people can be honest and straight and direct with you.</para>
<para>You don't have to agree on everything. In fact, Jonno and I hardly agree on much, except for when we want to stop Labor from doing something. I know that, at times, the fun and games in this place have meant that you have lost when the government and the Greens have worked together. I know, though, that you secretly love a guillotine just as much as I do. But, also, you're always willing to work to get something done, because you want to achieve things. It's not just about the game for you. You always keep the issue front and centre. You care deeply about your community, you care deeply about your country, and you actually care deeply about the environment. I know that, and I saw that&#x2014;I mean, he didn't want me to tell anybody!</para>
<para>One of the issues that we had a lot of tussles over was the reforms of the environment laws and the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act, and this went for years&#x2014;Jonno and I, in various roles, sparring over this particular issue. I never doubted for a moment that you wanted to protect Australia's natural heritage, and I think that that's really important. I can't agree with you on salmon, though. Upon reflection of some of the fun and games we've had over the years, I still remember our trip to Antarctica. We were flying in. I was sitting next to Jonno, and we had Minister Plibersek in the front of the plane. She sat at the front; we sat at the back like the naughty kids. The attendant came and put the meal in front of us, and the only thing on the menu was Tasmanian salmon. I looked at my plate and then I looked at Jonno, and he was just grinning. He could not wipe the smile off his face. You enjoyed watching me swallow every last bite of that Tasmanian salmon. But, true to his honesty and principles, he didn't tell a soul. You didn't tell a soul, except maybe your family. Maybe you heard that story at home.</para>
<para>Jonno, you're a man of principle and honesty. Your decency has made you who you are in this place but also who you are outside this place. It makes you a good friend, and I have no doubt that we'll continue our friendship once you leave. All of those things are what make you a very good negotiator, and, whatever you do next, I know that you will be trying your best to make a difference and to achieve outcomes. I know that's front and centre for you. I'm not sure, Katy, whether our Thursday afternoon debrief meetings will be quite the same without Senator Duniam, but we can try. But I promise you, just in your honour, that we won't just drink South Australian wine; we'll bring some Tasmanian wine as well.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I, too, stand to associate myself with the remarks that have been made by so many people in this chamber. To my bench buddy: we've had some fun. We've told some tales. I don't imagine that anybody would want to know what we actually say to each other during question time, but I can assure you that we spend an hour doing our Wordle and our Connections, and I'd like everybody in this chamber to know that I always beat Jonno at Wordle and I usually beat Jonno at Connections.</para>
<para>It is interesting reflecting. There have been a few photos floating around of Jonno when he arrived here 10 years ago; apart from the beard, he doesn't really look much different. The one thing that's always said about people when they leave this chamber is that they lose 20 years from what they look like when they're here, so you can probably expect to see Jonno running around as a toddler sometime very soon. Sorry for stealing that one off you, Maria!</para>
<para>One thing that I think everybody in this place can agree on is that Jonno is pretty damn smooth. That doesn't just come from his amazing hair and his incredible good looks&#x2014;you're a very lucky lady&#x2014;but also from the simple fact that everybody in this place loves Jonno. I mean, Penny loves Jonno; you just heard it. Katy loves Jonno. We know Carol loves Jonno; we see the way you look at him across the chamber every day, Carol! We know that Sarah loves Jonno, and we know that MC and all of us love Jonno. And you know what, Jonno? I love you, Jonno.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Duniam</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I love you all too!</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>But the reason that we can say these words of platonic love is that you are a damn good bloke, an absolutely, incredibly good bloke. All of the 'platitudes' that have been expressed by those that have made a contribution today are so incredibly true&#x2014;you're an honest man; you're a loyal man; you're a tough man; you're a great friend. I can't tell you how much I'm going to miss you as my bench buddy. But, quite frankly, our loss, Anisa, is yours and the boys' gain. We've had him for 10 years, and I don't think that we can be selfish enough to keep him any longer than that. It's with a heavy heart, but graciously, that we hand him back to you. Given that I know that every word spoken in this place from now on is one more word Jonno is going to have to wait for before he gets to have a drink, I'll sit down. Thanks, mate. You're a great buddy. Good luck, and I wish you all the best.</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator David Pocock</name>
    <name.id>256136</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I just wanted to add my brief thanks to Jonno for his contribution. As a crossbencher, I've found that you've been someone who is always approachable, is always a good-faith actor in this place and is always honest in interactions. That is such a commendable attribute and something that we've heard everyone talk about. Thank you for the contribution you've made. I really want to acknowledge Anisa and your boys. As someone based here in Canberra, I don't think I could do what so many other senators do, with the hours spent in this place, with time away. I really acknowledge the impact that that's had on all of you. I really thank you and wish you all the very best for whatever's next. We look forward to seeing you back here around the building at some point. If I'm down in beautiful Tasmania, I'll be sure to get in touch. Thank you very much, Jonno.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think I'm pulling rank by doing this one; it's something I probably wouldn't be able to say if it hadn't been for Jonno. When Marise Payne left this place and did her valedictory speech, Jonno filled up her water glass with gin. You'll be pleased to know&#x2014;I've seen him drain his glass now&#x2014;that we didn't do that to Jonno today, which is probably a good thing.</para>
<para>Jonno, Patto and I came in together as the class of 2016. We were the only three newbies back then. He made an impact from day one. He stood up in the party room and said that he was a senator from the great state of Tasmania. He said, 'Yes, you can still see the scar on my neck from where they took away the second head,' and it was reported in the newspaper. I think that was the first time he was quoted in the newspaper. He was referring to his second head, which was quite an extraordinary entrance.</para>
<para>He's been a terrific friend from day one. We became assistant ministers at the same time. On his first day as an assistant minister, I think, he had to go and do an event with the forestry industry. Do you remember that one? Do you know what his opening line was when he did his first speech as an assistant minister? It was, 'How good is wood?' He makes an impact wherever he goes, doesn't he? It is amazing. He has done so well in this place. I'm not going to add too much to what's already been said here, because I think that so many of us feel exactly the same way. He is friends with everybody. Everybody feels like they are special in Jonno's life. That in itself is an extraordinary skill.</para>
<para>When you become a grown-up, there aren't too many people that can make you laugh until the tears come. Jonno is absolutely one of those people. I will treasure the memories, the many, many memories, of laughing with Jonno until the tears came. In fact, I think we have it on video in a couple of places. There was one moment where Marise Payne, in an impassioned speech in here, accidentally referred to the President of the Senate, 'Mr President', as 'Mr Terrorist'. Jonno and I were sitting behind her, and it was one of those moments where your shoulders go up and down in something like schoolgirl giggles and you just cannot even look up. It was so good, so funny.</para>
<para>We respect him not just because he's good fun to be with or because he's a great friend but because we trust him. There aren't too many people you can say that about around this chamber, dare I say, or even around the building. But Jonno is somebody who we trust. At moments when things matter, you know that you can entirely rely on him. His judgement is sound, his instincts are so good, his attitude is absolutely contagious and his hair is fabulous&#x2014;and I say that with some experience!</para>
<para>So, Jonno, thank you very much for your service, for your time, for your sacrifice and for your friendship. I hope you will still be at the end of a phone. When we need an objective voice, a bit of advice, an opinion, some wise counsel or a good laugh, I hope you won't be too far away.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I will observe Senator Ruston's suggestion that we keep our remarks brief so as not to stand in the way of Jonno and a glass of wine. I want to associate myself with the many warm things that have been said about Senator Duniam already this evening. I'll add just three particular observations. Senator, in your speech you made reference to the responsibilities that we have in politics to solve problems. You and I have been engaged on many occasions in direct contestation in various roles that we've held in this place. It is the case that in all of those interactions you always represented the facts honestly and you always sought to play the ball rather than the person. Those things are not always the case in this place but attributes of yours that I appreciate and admire very much.</para>
<para>This is my second observation. We are actually in the conflict business here. This place is all about conflict. The very best of us, I think, understand the difference between structural and personal conflict. You are such a person. I think I have made you actually cross once in all the years that we have argued with one another, and it's been a decade. I knew on that occasion that I had crossed a line because you are so very good generally at separating the personal from the structural. On the occasion I made you actually cross, it did cause me to reflect on my own posture.</para>
<para>The third thing I want to say is that in a place where one is scrutinised so often it takes some measure of courage to show people who you are, and everyone here makes a choice about the extent to which they do that. You've chosen often to show people a little more of yourself and your actual personality than others do here. I think that that speaks well of you, but it also gives comfort and courage to everybody else&#x2014;that it is actually okay to come here and be a complete human. I think, as you leave this chamber, you can know that you have actually made it warmer and more human. In the digital age, making something more human is really quite the achievement. I really wish you and your beautiful family the very best. Thank you for everything you've brought to this chamber.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATERSON</name>
    <name.id>144138</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have been waging a long campaign. First, it was to try to convince Jonno to stay. And second, when it appeared that was not going to succeed, it was to at least to delay his departure as long as possible. I accept defeat tonight. I realise, having delivered a valedictory speech, that's probably the end of the road, although I think we did string a few extra weeks and months out of you, which I'm grateful for. I didn't even realise I had a secret collaboration with the manager of government business in running such a campaign, but our loss is your family's gain. To Anisa and the boys: you have won. Well done. It's well deserved because you paid the price that all families pay in this business, and you deserve nothing more than time with your Jonno&#x2014;as much as we've enjoyed our time with him. Jonno is doing this for the very best reason&#x2014;the only reason any of us should ever leave this place, which is to go and be with our families.</para>
<para>We did come in together, along with Jane, in 2016, and Jonno and I have been very close in that time&#x2014;so close that at times we have been confused for one another. Most memorably, as a humble, new, young backbencher, it was by our own prime minister who at times would refer to me as 'Jonno' and refer to him as 'James'. I think he probably just regarded us as two right-wing senators from southern states who were, frankly, pretty annoying and surplus to requirements. But it's an honour to be confused with such a consummate political professional. I think that is the way that Jonno will be remembered in his time here.</para>
<para>He's mastered every single brief he has been given. I'm surprised to hear him concede he's ever made an error. I can't remember one. There's no-one who knows this chamber better than Jonno. There's no-one who can better navigate it, who can better understand its rhythms, its powers and its sentiments and wield that to effect for our cause. He has promised me, because he is so passionate about this chamber, that he will be a regular visitor in the future and that he will sit in the visitor's gallery to be acknowledged by the President, for all of us to look up at him and remember when he was down here with us, because I know he will not be able to get this out of his system.</para>
<para>But, in all seriousness, Jonno, I really can't wait to see what you do next. Whatever you do, you'll make a big impact. Whoever is lucky enough to employ you after this time will be gaining great insight, great wisdom, great perspective and, most importantly, great character. You have always conducted yourself in this place in a way that you can be proud of, that your family can be proud of and that is true to your values. You should be very proud of that, mate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Congratulations, Jonno, on a really outstanding career. I first met you when I was a minister in the Labor-Greens government in Tasmania. You were deputy chief of staff to the then leader of the opposition, Will Hodgman, who later became a long-serving premier for Tasmania. It's fair to say, it was a bit politically willing during those days. But I do want to say, Jonno, you were always courteous and respectful, unlike, I might add, some of your colleagues at the time. I always deeply appreciated that.</para>
<para>I won't go into too much detail about the rare occasions that we have collaborated together during our political career, because I think they can stay off the record. But I do want to say that I've always found you to be a principled, intelligent and, importantly, trustworthy person. I never had to worry that anything I said to you would be repeated back to me by other people. I deeply, deeply appreciate that. We haven't always agreed on everything politically, it's fair to say. In fact, now that I think about it, we almost never agreed on anything politically. I want to say that your decency, your honesty and your humour&#x2014;because you do have a great sense of humour&#x2014;are fundamental to your character. I'm sure they'll serve you well into the future.</para>
<para>I have one small anecdote about Jonno that I don't think he'll mind me sharing. It won't surprise anyone to know this. I was down walking my dogs at Marieville Esplanade at Sandy Bay on the waterfront in Tasmania. This would have been 18 months or two years ago. I was my classic scruffy non-senatorial self, and Jonno jogged past, pounding it out in absolutely impeccable jogging gear&#x2014;not a hair out of place. I'm sure that won't surprise anyone here. I was like, 'How does he do that?' I'm 100 metres into my jog, with my greyhounds dragging me along, and I'm all over the shop, but Jonno was looking impeccable, as usual.</para>
<para>My last observation before I wish you all the best is that we've heard a lot, and rightly so, about your elegance and your charm, but, I have to say, it can mask a certain political ruthlessness at times&#x2014;and I say this with utter admiration. The greatest expression of that was you taking a tilt at my archenemy Eric Abetz and knocking him off the top spot in the Liberal Senate ballot in Tasmania. If you take a tilt at the king, you want to make sure you collect him&#x2014;and you did, Jonno, so congratulations to me! I haven't always cheered you on, but, oh boy, mate, I was cheering you on hard during that Senate preselection. Of course former senator Abetz is now the treasurer in Tasmania, so I'm not sure who won out in the end, but that was one of your internal political contests for which I was firmly on your side.</para>
<para>Jonno, all the best to you for the future&#x2014;and your lovely family. I'm glad you get to spend more time with them. I hope we see you around the traps.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'SULLIVAN</name>
    <name.id>283585</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Yesterday, as the Deputy Manager of Opposition Business, when the motion came for us to set up this valedictory, I actually voted no! I didn't have a second voice, unfortunately, because I definitely would have divided, that's for sure. I had been hoping for quite some time that this wasn't actually happening&#x2014;that our good mate wasn't leaving the Senate&#x2014;and that it was just some dream. But here we are. He's obviously delivered his valedictory speech, and it's true: Jonno's leaving us.</para>
<para>He remarked on the fact that we are flatmates here. I've got my own bathroom, and he shares his with Andrew Hastie. Two of the guys with the best hair in parliament having a duel over the hairdryer at five in the morning is no longer going to happen. Andrew now, finally, has the bathroom to himself.</para>
<para>It is a sad moment for us, but I am incredibly happy that you are making this decision for the right reasons. This is of course one of the best jobs you could ever have. It's an incredibly honourable position to represent your state and to do the work that we get to do. But it is a real challenge. The tyranny of the distance from our families and the time away is a challenge that is pretty full-on. The fact that I've had someone that I could come home to after a day here&#x2014;we take our ties off, we sit around the kitchen table or on the couches, and we have a hug and console each other&#x2014;has made this job a delight. It has made coming over here and being away from family so much easier. So, Jonno, I am going to miss you. I thank you so much for your friendship and the way that you've encouraged me, you've challenged me and you've spurred me on to be the best that I can be in this role.</para>
<para>Boys&#x2014;and Anisa&#x2014;you really should be very proud of your dad. While he's been distant from Tasmania, you've never been far from his mind. He speaks so fondly of all of you all of the time. When we are sitting around having a wine or a beer after a night or having a meal and just shooting the breeze, you are always brought up. The fact that he's made this decision to put you, and to continue to put you, first is something that you should be cognisant of. He loves you.</para>
<para>I was going to say that I've got to see a side of Jonno that maybe many of you don't get to see, but that's actually not true, because he is exactly the same in private as he is here in front of everyone. He's a genuine person and he's a person of great character, of great integrity. Jonno, I am going to miss you immensely. I know we're still going to keep in touch, because you can't have that sort of friendship and not have it continue, but obviously not being able to work together like this is something that we will deal with. I've been a little melancholy this week thinking about this.</para>
<para>Jonno, thank you for everything that you've contributed in this place and to your state. Personally, thank you so much for being a great mate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BROCKMAN</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, boys, you've got a job to do: when he gets back to Tasmania, you're going to have to deflate his ego a bit because everyone's been pumping him up so much! I think someone needs to bring this down. Sadly, Jonno, I'm not the one to do it, because it has been an absolute privilege and pleasure knowing you for these past&#x2014;well, nine years for me. You've been a good friend, and I value you as a colleague more than I can say.</para>
<para>I'm going to start, though, with a message: 'Jonno, thank you for your contribution to our nation. Few people have the privilege of doing this difficult work. Even fewer do it cheerfully, intelligently and with a steadfast heart for service. Few leave on their own terms. You have done all these things. I'll always be grateful for the friendship we built as colleagues. May your clarity of values continue to serve you well in the next chapter, and may you, Anisa and the boys have every joy.' That is from former senator Amanda Stoker.</para>
<para>Amanda, Jonno, James and I spent a lot of time together as junior senators during a certain leadership spill week, bunkered down in our offices for what seemed like hours and hours and days and days on end. The fact that it was only four days now seems quite strange, because we did spend a lot of hours together that week, and those three people became lifelong friends of mine. Jonno, your wisdom was on display from day one.</para>
<para>One thing I will associate myself with, of course, from all the comments that have come previously is something a couple of senators have said: we're sending Jonno back home. But we're not. We knew where his heart was every single day. He was there. That was on display and certainly made us feel the distance from our families as well.</para>
<para>So, Jonno, it's been an absolute privilege working with you, mate. Stay in touch.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CAROL BROWN</name>
    <name.id>F49</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I apologise for having to leave directly after your speech; you may not have to do the numbers, but I still do! As everyone has said, Jonno is a colleague that has earnt the respect of the people right across the chamber, and that has been evident in the contributions people have made but also in the senators that came to say goodbye to you not because they wanted to see the back of you but because they are sad to see you go. They have that level of respect, and that is worth recognising.</para>
<para>Throughout our time working together, I've always known Jonno to treat people with warmth, respect and professionalism. We sit on opposite sides of the chamber and hold different political views, even though we do have some issues&#x2014;the forestry issue comes to mind&#x2014;where we pretty much are singing from the same song sheet. But we do share something that's very important: a commitment to our own state of Tasmania and to achieving the very best outcomes from for the people who call it home. Now, you called it 'conspiring'; I call it 'achieving'. Let's get the language right because I've got to go back over to the Prime Minister's office later! Jonno and I first really bonded on the flights over here. A good glass of wine can always make you talk more freely! But the one thing that Jonno did always talk about&#x2014;and we've heard this in contributions&#x2014;was his family, his love for his family and the fact that he missed his family. And the one good thing that is coming out of this very, very sad day is that they get him back full time. I'm very pleased for them.</para>
<para>And the other aspect of the speech that Jonno gave today that really struck me is that he outed himself as the black sheep of the family. He, of course, talked about his Labor great-grandmother. So even though he strayed from the true path, he did have a good Labor foundation!</para>
<para>Jonno and I often worked together on the non-contro legislation. There doesn't seem to be much of that anymore. But we used to have a competition about how quickly we could do it, and I'm pretty sure we got it down to about eight seconds for one piece of legislation. I just want to say, I really wish you all the very best. I wish your family the very best. I know I'll see you&#x2014;because Jonno is my neighbour. But you will be missed, from all sides of politics. The one thing I've always found about you is that it's not about picking a fight or just the politics. It's about looking for solutions. Of course, you're willing to have the fight if you have to, and you know you put your party first, as we all do. But you're a man that's looking for solutions that will help Australians, particularly Tasmanians.</para>
<para>I'm going to leave it there, because I'm not known for being very emotional, but I might be tonight. I just say, all of these people that know Jonno very well also know he does a mean impersonation, but I'm going to leave that story for another day.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KOVACIC</name>
    <name.id>306168</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm going to share some sentiments from Jacki Martin for you: 'Jonno, thank you for your service, your friendship and everything you have given to Tasmania and our party. The upside to your departure from this place is that the whip's chocolate bowl will now be full, the wine fridge will be plentiful, and we might finally get through a sitting week without splitting our sides laughing at something completely inappropriate. The downside is that the whip's chocolate bowl will now be full, the wine fridge will be plentiful, and we might finally get through a sitting week without splitting our sides laughing at something completely inappropriate. Your personal support to me has been incredibly valued and appreciated, both inside this building and out, and I wish you, Anisa and your fine young men all the very best as you embark on this new phase and enjoy being together a lot more often. Tasmania will miss your advocacy, Parliament will miss your experience, and those of us who have worked alongside you will miss your company. Go well, friend.'</para>
<para>And from me very briefly, thank you for being an exemplar of what it is to be a senator in this place. I've only been here for a few years, but I have valued your friendship and your guidance. Thank you.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I just want to join with all senators in the chamber to associate myself with the wonderful remarks about a truly magnificent man. I will also say that I joined the campaign to keep you here longer. We are going to miss you enormously. I think one of the things for me personally, Jonno, is that we've all had our ups and downs in this place, and you've been a magnificent comfort. You've been a magnificent person to seek counsel from. You've been a very calm person to deal with in the rough times. And you've always kept your sense of humour.</para>
<para>I particularly wanted to say&#x2014;and so many wonderful things have been said about you&#x2014;it's a really gutsy decision you've made, because you are at the height of achieving so much as a senator. Clearly, you had further to run in this place. I think there was a pretty good chance you may well have been leader one of these days. But you've made the decision to put your priorities with your family, at home, and to spend the next part of your life with Anisa and your boys, and that's a very commendable decision that you've made. Some stay too long in this place.</para>
<para>I just want to say that, whatever you decide to do&#x2014;whatever your ventures are&#x2014;you will do magnificently. You are someone of great integrity. You've got so much to give. I'm really excited about what the next phase of your life has, and for all of us to share. I really look forward to keeping the friendship. Thank you.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator NAMPIJINPA PRICE</name>
    <name.id>263528</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm sorry, I couldn't let you go just yet&#x2014;and I really wanted to let you go, for you to be able to spend time with your family and for us all to celebrate you back in your office. I really wanted to say a couple of brief words, because you are incredible&#x2014;you are a very special person to this entire place, to our colleagues throughout the coalition, but, clearly, right across the board, throughout the crossbench and the government as well.</para>
<para>I think I remember the first time I ever met you. We were gathered at a supporters event, which was here in Canberra, back before I was in fact elected, and I do recall seeing how very well kept you were, with every piece of hair perfectly in place, and I probably thought, 'Oh, this bloke&#x2014;does he concentrate on his job, or is he more concerned about where his hair is sitting?' But I very soon found out that you are an incredible representative, not just for Tasmanians but for all Australians, in the effort and the professionalism and the way you carry yourself, and not only through your work but in the way you support all of us that surround you, and have especially in recent times.</para>
<para>I've heard from staff throughout the building just what a wonderful, friendly character and a helpful person you are to anybody who reaches out to you. I think it only fitting, given that, that I'm going to have to now claim you as a brother, the Warlpiri way, which means that, when you leave to go back to Tasmania, you will have to leave also with a skin name. Therefore, being a Nampijinpa, I would like to make you a Jampijinpa, which makes you my brother. Anisa and the boys now have skin names as well, as a result. I think it only fitting for you to know that, while I know we all regard you as family, you've got a whole Warlpiri tribe you're now related to in Central Australia. So make sure that you let me know if you're ever passing through, because, if they know that you're a Jampijinpa, you also become a resource for them too, so I've got to make sure that you're well looked after and are well aware, if you're there, to keep an eye out for the Warlpiri mob.</para>
<para>I really want to thank you, Jonno. You truly have been like family to us all, and an incredible professional, and someone that those of us who came after you look up to as someone who we aspire to be in this place. So thank you.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Are there any other senators who wish to make a contribution? I think Senator Duniam is thirsty!</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GATENBY</name>
    <name.id>324140</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Duniam, you will be missed. I'm lucky to have been here, actually, for your maiden speech and now for your valedictory. I was a staffer; I can't remember whose office I was in at the time, but you invited me to your office and said, 'Come along to the maiden speech.' So I did and we met that time. There was a range of characters that were also up for that occasion, as we've recently discussed. But that was some 10 years ago, and I would just like to briefly say that our party is stronger from your contribution at every level, and so is our state and our country. Your support of me as state president of our party in Tasmania was always deeply valued, particularly through some of the more difficult times but also in some of the more poignant situations and campaigns, like during the Voice campaign. I'll always be grateful for your support.</para>
<para>I wish you well for the future. As a young dad myself, I must admit I have reflected on some of our conversations about that and that impact and whether or not to seek to put your hand up. I did reflect&#x2014;probably more than I'd like to admit&#x2014;on what we discussed. I do appreciate your counsel. I wish you well with your beautiful family, who are here tonight. When I started here, you said to me to make it count&#x2014;plus something else, with an expletive, which I won't repeat. But you have done more than that for your state, for your country and for your party. Congratulations. We'll miss you.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like to associate myself with the comments from colleagues around the chamber, but, unlike many of them who are saying how difficult Jonno's leaving is for them, I just want to reflect on how difficult Jonno's arrival was for me, and Jonno understands that as much as anyone else. We've both reflected on that and moved on, but it's funny how the wheel turns. I was listening to Senator McKim reflect on that 2022 preselection in Tasmania that changed the face of our team here in Canberra significantly and then subsequently the state team at the election after that. The section 44 fiasco or drama that went through this place is a part of that cycle. So my vote in the 2016 election pushed everybody else into the top half of the ticket. That set up that preselection battle that became so fateful for us all.</para>
<para>It's been great working with you, Jonno, both at a state level and when you were a staffer, first with Paul&#x2014;a wonderful Tasmanian and a great representative for Tasmania in this place&#x2014;and then with Eric, which really did bring a period of achievement for Tassie. That was some really good work there. But it was also great to see you and Brad getting behind Will and his team at that great 2014 election victory in Tasmania, which really did see the state surge ahead. Your role in that and that change of confidence that came over our state and the improvement in the economy was really an important time. Of course, since then, we have been strange bedfellows at times, because we have different philosophies in terms of some of the issues that we've dealt with and we've had to deal with some other, more difficult things within the Tasmanian division. Chris&#x2014;Senator Gatenby; sorry&#x2014;mentioned those. But we have very effectively been able to work together to manage that, and that's been a really important part of what we've done. I think the point about getting things done on behalf of our state has always been something that's been important to you, and I've really enjoyed working with you and my other Tasmanian colleagues in achieving that, because that's why we're here. The effort that's been put into that, I think, has been really important in making sure that we have got to those achievements.</para>
<para>To Anisa and the boys: I'm sure that you're much, much happier now that you know that you're getting Jonno back. Jonno, I remember a conversation in the tea room in my office with Mary, your mum, when she worked for me, and my recollection is that she told me she had a son who was going to become prime minister. I thought: 'Oh, that's going to be interesting. He picked the wrong house to do that.' But possibly you could have done. Mary said that with a lot of conviction, and I think we all now understand why. She was obviously very proud of her son, but her conviction has been very well borne out by subsequent events, both at the state level and in the Australian parliament. So I say congratulations on what you've achieved for Tassie and congratulations on what you've achieved for the country. You've been involved in some very important and serious policy development work and continue to do so towards your retirement. Be proud of your achievements, mate, and enjoy whatever comes next, importantly with your family.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CANAVAN</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I heard Senator Ruston say earlier that everyone loves Jonno. I just want to clear up the record here: I hate Jonno Duniam. I hate him because he makes every other bloke look like they've got the fashion sense of Steve Urkel, they've never used a blow dryer in their life and they can barely use a comb. You show us all up, mate!</para>
<para>I want to say three things that I like about Jonno. I actually love Jonno and I'm going to miss you greatly. Jonno, you have a very keen policy mind, and I've really valued your contributions to debate over the years, including in shadow cabinet these last few months. I was surprised when I got the news that you weren't continuing, because, in my mind, you are really just hitting your prime. One of the great sadnesses for me last year of losing the election was not having you as environment minister. I think you would have made an excellent environment minister, with your practical approach and your ability to get on with stakeholders, which I certainly can't do in that space. Your good principles would have served this country really well. You did a great job in that portfolio. As you and others have described, you did a remarkable job landing a comprehensive, robust immigration policy for our team in a very, very difficult area. I just hope you haven't left any booby traps for us, but I don't think so.</para>
<para>The next thing I want to say that I like about you, Jonno, is your good humour. Mate, I've never seen you without a smile on your face. I don't think you could do a resting bitch face. I don't think that's in the Jonno Duniam repertoire. Particularly in these last few years, which have been tough for us, having your sunny presence has helped quite a lot, so we will miss that.</para>
<para>Finally, I want to reflect on what a great family man you are. Your family's definitely winning out of this. It's great to see your extended family up there. I share some commonality with you; my wife and I have four sons. They look like a lovely family. I don't know if you've missed all my proclamations since I've been leader of the Nationals. I want more babies. We had four sons and then we got a daughter, so don't give up. There is still hope. I hope you get a lot more time with your lovely family. We're going to miss you lots. Thanks, Jonno.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McDONALD</name>
    <name.id>123072</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The opportunity to reflect on people in this place, unfortunately, usually only comes at a much more dramatic end than a valedictory night, so I want to take the opportunity to do this while you are alive and kicking. So many people have said such wonderful things, and I want to associate myself with all of those. Like many people here, I come from a place where we really value good people and good friends, people who you can trust and who will say the truth but also be very genuine about that. You have been extraordinary.</para>
<para>As Matt said, you're good humoured. The way you do this job is something that I certainly aspire to but never, ever will reach. I thank you for your good humour and the way you make everybody feel appreciated and a part of this very collegiate place that we work in. Through your efforts, you have made Australia a better place and you have made Tasmania a better place. And I want to make the comment that you've made my time here better. The only place I could be happy with you going to, rather than being here, is with your family. We're so grateful that you have shared Jonno with us for all of this time, so thank you for allowing us that. Thank you for your friendship, thank you for your professionalism, and thank you for the work that you've done for the country and for the Senate. Thanks, Jonno.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Jonno, all the best, my friend, and I look forward to having a quiet drink with you at some point in the future, too. On that note, go well. Senators, we are now going to return to our program.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MATTERS OF URGENCY</title>
        <page.no>109</page.no>
        <type>MATTERS OF URGENCY</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Taxation</title>
          <page.no>109</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DARMANIN</name>
    <name.id>301128</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I don't want to elongate the time between Senator Duniam and a drink, but, as he walks out the door, I, too, would like to wish him all the best for whatever exciting thing comes next outside of this place. The last hour and a half have been a lovely departure from the combat that has been mentioned and that takes place so often in here. It was a nice little lovefest for us to celebrate some of the good things about being a senator and the contributions that we can make.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Indeed! And on that note&#x2014;</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DARMANIN</name>
    <name.id>301128</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Back to the combat! Let's get into it. In considering the motion that we have before us that Senator McGrath kicked off before the farewell, you would be forgiven for thinking that every corner shop, every family business and every farmer in the country is about to be hit with a new 30 per cent tax. But what this government is actually doing is ambitious and serious reform. Serious reform, particularly around tax, means being prepared to tackle difficult issues. Reforming the status quo can be difficult, but getting our tax system right is also very important.</para>
<para>It's important also to tackle fairness in the system. Simply leaving things as they are and not achieving these objectives is not an option. Where our tax system provides advantages that aren't available to most working Australians, we have a responsibility to restore the balance, no matter how difficult that might be. That is what this tax reform agenda is about. Reforming discretionary trusts is a very important part of that. We know that there are legitimate reasons to use trusts, including succession planning and asset protection, but we also know that the flexibility provided by discretionary trusts allows some people to arrange their tax affairs in ways that simply aren't available to most workers and families.</para>
<para>The number of discretionary trusts has more than doubled over the past 20 years, to more than 800,000. At the same time, the vast majority of Australians do not have a trust. More than 95 per cent of individual tax filers do not receive trust income, and more than 90 per cent of small businesses will not be affected by these changes in any given year. The benefits of the current arrangements are heavily concentrated. The majority of trust income flows to the top-earning 10 per cent of households, and around 90 per cent of total trust wealth is held by the wealthiest 10 per cent of households. Treasury analysis shows that, in 2022-23, families with discretionary trusts faced an average tax rate around four percentage points lower than families with similar incomes who did not use a trust. That is the issue that this reform seeks to address.</para>
<para>The 30 per cent minimum tax will reduce the tax planning advantages available through discretionary trusts and better align their tax treatment with the tax paid by working Australians. Thirty per cent is the same marginal tax rate that applies to workers earning between $45,000 and $135,000. This is fundamentally about fairness, bringing these tax arrangements more closely into line with tax paid by working Australians. Through these reforms, we've also been deliberate in recognising legitimate circumstances and giving existing trusts practical options. The legislation protects superannuation trustees investing through trusts&#x2014;I know Senator Bragg has some concerns about that&#x2014;but it also provides exclusions for genuine testamentary trusts, deceased estates, special disability trusts and the income of minor beneficiaries. Importantly, we have also expanded the options available to small businesses and others using discretionary trusts to limit or eliminate restructuring costs.</para>
<para>Finally, on small business, we back small business. We are delivering more than $3.8 billion in tax relief and rolling out tax cuts for working Australians, including 1.5 million sole traders. We've seen an average of 900 companies created every day on our watch, and we are the only government to have recorded more than 40,000 businesses registered in a single month&#x2014;something that has happened twice this year. These reforms are about improving the sustainability and integrity of the tax system while making our economy more productive by ensuring investment decisions are made for economic reasons, not simply tax management reasons. That is what serious tax reform looks like. We are not interested in defending the status quo for its own sake; we are interested in building a fairer, stronger tax system for the future.</para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHITTEN</name>
    <name.id>317026</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The assault on small business continues under a Labor government that seems determined to punish anyone who dares to get ahead. The budget handed down in May was one of the worst ever for small businesses. Now another hammer is about to fall, with Labor's attack on family trusts. Discretionary trusts are used extensively by small businesses across Australia. Around 350,000 businesses use them, and 210,000 are expected to pay additional tax under these changes. Thanks to Labor's greed and its refusal to tighten its own belt, business could face more than $13 billion in restructuring costs.</para>
<para>It is clear that very few on the Labor side understand what it means to run a small business. They've never had to navigate Australian tax law, pay thousands of dollars for expert advice or make difficult decisions to keep a business afloat. Let's consider a sparky who has built a business from the ground up and employs a couple of apprentices, a labourer and a receptionist. His family trust allows him to share the business income with his wife, who manages the books part time while raising their children. Now Labor forces him to restructure. The professional advice alone could cost thousands of dollars, with the loss of income splitting adding thousands more in tax every year. That means less money to invest in the business. Perhaps they can no longer afford a labourer. Maybe they have to let the apprentice go. Worse still, it might become all too hard, so they shut up shop and retire earlier than planned. Jobs disappear, the family loses its livelihood and another Australian business dream is destroyed. That is the real cost of Labor's tax grab. Behind every struggling or closed business are real people who have worked hard, taken risks and sacrificed to build something for their families.</para>
<para>One Nation believes in small business. We believe in Australians having a go and building better lives without constantly worrying that the government will change the rules and undermine everything they have worked for. We also understand why families use trusts. A sparky or plumber might work 60 hours a week while their partner stays at home to raise their young children. That decision may be essential to making family life and the business work. Does Labor believe that contribution counts for nothing? One Nation believes that parents who contribute in different ways to a family business should be able to share its income fairly. That is why One Nation supports income splitting for all families with children.</para>
<para>Labor's approach ignores and undermines families who choose to have a parent at home raising their kids. This is about more than tax; it's about freedom, fairness and respect for the people who keep Australia moving. One Nation wants a government that supports small businesses, respects families and rewards hard work, not one that punishes independence to fill a budget black hole. We will keep fighting for Australians who take risks, create jobs and build this country one business, one family and one job at a time.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BRAGG</name>
    <name.id>256063</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>After 4&#xBD; years of government, the Labor Party seem confused and bewildered that their model of housing has not worked well. We have seen over this 4&#xBD; years more taxes, more red tape and more regulation, which has resulted in fewer houses. Under the Australian Bureau of Statistics data, you can see that we are getting at least 25,000 to 30,000 fewer houses a year under this government compared to the prior government. After having spent billions of dollars and wasting billions of dollars of taxpayer funds on housing, and bragging about it with their silly social media posts, we are getting fewer houses.</para>
<para>That is because the government has made home building uneconomic, and the way that we hear the government talk about small business&#x2014;the way that they talk about the construction and building sector shows a fundamental misunderstanding that, in fact, in this sector of home building, there are many, many thousands of small businesses. In fact, almost all the businesses that do business in the construction and building sector are small businesses. Three out of five businesses, on average, will be using a trust for the ongoing management of their building company, and so these changes to trusts will cascade through a sector which has already been smashed by taxes and regulation over these 4&#xBD; years.</para>
<para>As I say, the government seem confused that their economic model for housing where you have more taxes and more regulation has delivered fewer houses, but that's actually the orthodoxy working as it should, because, if you tax something more and you regulate it more, you are likely to get less output. That is what we are seeing with housing. The issue with this new trust tax is, yes, it is imposing a higher tax burden on something that the nation needs more of. The government is saying we need to have more taxes on housing to get more houses, and that shows you really how bad and stupid the government is. The restructuring now that is going to be required might cost up to $13 billion in the building and construction sector, and that's all these small businesses. The tradies, the subcontractors, whatever, who are home builders are now going to have to consider restructuring. What for? Just to pay higher taxes.</para>
<para>The industry is on its knees. It's on its knees. Look at the data. We're getting fewer and fewer houses. Building companies are leading the nation in insolvencies, and so what's the government's solution? We should have a complicated, convoluted trust taxation that's going to apply to three in five businesses in the building and construction sector. That will solve the problem. That will fix it. It'll be all sweet. That's their solution. The proposal put forward the excluded election trust, which is a rigid approach which will fix the rules of trust, will mean that the trusts that have been used by building companies will no longer operate as intended, and so it introduces an arbitrage where, in fact, you might get a different outcome if you're in a trust compared to running as a sole tradership.</para>
<para>At the end of the day, why would the government want to impose restructuring costs on small building companies that are trying to build houses for Australians? It just seems bizarre to me. But they want to impose legal costs, accounting costs, valuation costs, licensing costs, insurance costs and, of course, stamp duty costs on these small businesses that are trying to build houses. This is another ridiculous tax on the people who are trying to build Australia out of Labor's housing crisis. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding. The government doesn't understand that the bulk of the businesses in the housing system are using trusts. They're using trusts because that is how they've been advised to set up for efficient operation, and they've already been underwater with 16 interest rate rises, new taxes, more red tape, more regulation and national construction codes which are designed for the unions not designed for the people. This is going to be the last straw, and people are just going to give up.</para>
<para>When the government say, 'We can't get enough houses built,' that's because&#x2014;the government's been in office for almost five years. They've collapsed housing supply because they're stupid. They actually are stupid. If they wanted to build houses then they would be honest and say: 'Yes, we did read the book <inline font-style="italic">A</inline><inline font-style="italic">bundance</inline>. Jim Chalmers did read the book <inline font-style="italic">A</inline><inline font-style="italic">bundance</inline> where we understand that the central thesis is less regulation and fewer taxes will promote construction and supply.'</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DOWLING</name>
    <name.id>55842</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McGrath has brought on an urgency motion about a problem that was actually examined 50 years ago. Apparently, the urgency is to make sure we still do nothing about it. In 1972, Liberal treasurer Billy Snedden commissioned the Asprey review. Its 1975 report asked a basic question: how do we build a tax system that is fair, efficient and simple? One problem it identified was income splitting through trusts. Asprey did not design the legislation we're looking at today, but it did recognise the underlying concern. People on similar incomes can face very different tax outcomes because of how their income is structured.</para>
<para>And history did not stop there. In 1998, the Howard government itself recognised that the same investment could face different tax treatment depending on whether it was held through trust or through a company, and it indeed proposed reforms to trust taxation&#x2014;not the same model we are debating today but the same principle about how income is dealt with through trusts and other forms that are generated. The Henry review also raised concerns again in 2009, and, just as recently as 2015, the coalition's own Re:think discussion paper acknowledged that discretionary trusts can deliver tax advantages when beneficiaries have different incomes. So let's not pretend this problem was suddenly invented in the last budget. This debate and this concern have been going on for 50 years. Rather, this budget finally took on the challenge 50 years after it was first flagged.</para>
<para>Let's consider a very simple example that illustrates the principle. There are two families with similar incomes. One earns wages. The other receives income through a discretionary trust. The first cannot divide a pay packet among relatives to reduce the tax bill. The second can have scope to allocate trust income to beneficiaries on lower tax brackets. The economic contribution of both families is probably equally valuable, yet their tax bills can be very different. Treasury analysis found that families using discretionary trusts face an average tax rate of around four percentage points lower than families on similar incomes without them. That is the fairness question that this motion avoids entirely. Economists deal with it as 'horizontal equity'&#x2014;people in similar circumstances should be treated similarly by the tax system. A good tax system should reward productive activity, not the ability to choose the most favourable structure for receiving income.</para>
<para>Nobody disputes that trusts have legitimate purposes, including succession planning, asset protection and the operation of family businesses. Not everyone using a trust is trying to avoid a tax, but recognising those legitimate purposes does not require preserving every tax advantage. Tasmanian economist Saul Eslake supports reforming discretionary trusts even though he operates his own business through one and expects to be affected. He called it the right thing to do. He also raised concerns about the treatment of startups, and that is a serious contribution&#x2014;support the objective but then seek to improve the design.</para>
<para>The reforms would introduce a minimum 30 per cent tax on discretionary trust income from July 2028 with important exclusions. Primary production income is excluded, meaning a fixed trust, charitable trust, special disability trust or superannuation fund. This motion invokes farmers while neglecting to mention the exclusion of primary production income, a significant omission. And what about the headline figure of $13 billion in restructuring costs? It's a large number and deserves scrutiny, and it doesn't become inevitable just because Senator McGrath puts it in a motion. Trusts can elect to make fixed distributions and be exempt from the minimum tax without restructuring. Expanded rollover relief will also be available for those who choose to restructure.</para>
<para>Advice costs matter and so does getting the transition right. We should listen to small business, test the details and fix practical problems. But we can refine the edges of this legislation without hollowing out its core. The opposition says the reforms punish the people who take risks and create jobs, but genuine enterprise deserves better than being confused with the ability to arrange a smaller tax bill. Australians who earn their living from wages also work hard, take risks and contribute to our prosperity. They deserve a tax system that treats them fairly.</para>
<para>The Howard government recognised distortions. The Asprey review did. The coalition's own 2015 paper acknowledged it. The government is acting. I oppose this motion.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator NAMPIJINPA PRICE</name>
    <name.id>263528</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, we can all try to be convinced by the government's high-spending, high-taxing, demonising-small-business agenda, but the truth is Australian small businesses are fed up. They're fed up with the constant unnecessary stress caused by this Albanese Labor government. There is no better example of Labor's complete and utter disregard for small business and their complete and utter lack of understanding of the realities of small business than Labor's harebrained 30 per cent trust tax. Around 350,000 Australian small businesses are using discretionary trusts. These are not wealthy investors; they are builders, tradies, retailers, hospitality operators and family businesses across our regions&#x2014;businesses often built over generations. They are the businesses that employ Australians. They train our apprentices. They are those who take the risks that keep our economy moving. Now, Labor wants to change the rules under which they operate.</para>
<para>The independent estimates suggest restructuring and advisory costs could reach $13.3 billion, and Labor expects our small businesses to foot that bill. That is $13.3 billion not spent on new employees, upgrading equipment and training apprentices. Industry stakeholders like the Housing Industry Association have rightly condemned this tradies tax. At a time when Australia desperately needs more homes built, why is this Albanese Labor government so hellbent on making it more difficult for businesses to try and build them&#x2014;higher costs, more regulation and Labor's toxic taxes have put thousands of small businesses across the country on the brink of collapse. This latest thought bubble is no different. Labor doesn't seem to care, though, what we are seeing when we're seeing record insolvencies across Australia.</para>
<para>A third of Australian small-business owners have considered closing their business in the past 12 months. That's one-third. It is simply not good enough that small businesses are treated as an afterthought by the Albanese Labor government. Yesterday, when questioned in this chamber about the realities of Labor's latest tax, Senator Wong pointed to the number of small businesses supposedly operating under Labor. But a business registration tells us nothing about whether that business is profitable, can afford another worker or is barely keeping its doors open. If Labor actually bothered to listen to our small businesses, they would know that they are hurting. It has been one thing after another thanks to this government&#x2014;higher taxes, higher power bills and Labor's botched credit card ban. It is telling when even the MIA minister for small business, Anne Aly, is forced to acknowledge that, under this Labor government, Australian businesses are hurting.</para>
<para>As shadow minister for small business, I hear from employers who are angry. They are worried and exhausted by mounting costs and uncertainty. They want to get on with running their small business, not spending their savings adapting to yet another Labor tax. Australia should be the country where people are encouraged to take a risk, start a business, employ Australians and build something to pass on to their children. We need a tax system that is fair, predictable and workable, not one that punishes small businesses with picking up Labor's tab. Small and family businesses deserve certainty, not another bill. They deserve a government that backs them, not one that keeps moving the goalposts. The Labor prime minister and treasurer and the missing-in-action small business minister need to stop and actually listen to small businesses. Start backing our small businesses instead of breaking them.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question before the chair is that the motion moved by Senator McGrath be agreed to. A division having been called and it being after 6.30, consideration will be a matter for tomorrow's program.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>112</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>National Anti-Corruption Commission Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>112</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Membership</title>
            <page.no>112</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
    <electorate/>
  </talker>
  <para>Given the time constraints, we are just going to quickly deal with committee memberships. The President has received a letter requesting changes in the membership of a committee.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WALSH</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave&#x2014;I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That senators be discharged from and appointed to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Anti-Corruption Commission as follows:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">On 14 October 2026&#x2014;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Discharged&#x2014;Senator Ghosh</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed&#x2014;Senator Tyrrell</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">On 19 October 2026&#x2014;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Discharged&#x2014;Senator Tyrrell</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed&#x2014;Senator Ghosh</para></quote>
</speech>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>113</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Consideration</title>
          <page.no>113</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>113</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Scrutiny of Bills Committee</title>
          <page.no>113</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Scrutiny Digest</title>
            <page.no>113</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present <inline font-style="italic">Scrutiny digest</inline><inline font-style="italic"> 13 of 2026</inline> of the Standing Committee for the Scrutiny of Bills, together with ministerial correspondence received by the committee, and I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>As Chair of the Senate Standing Committee for the Scrutiny of Bills, I rise to speak to the tabling of the committee's <inline font-style="italic">Scrutiny digest 13 of 2026</inline>. The digest contains the committee's consideration of 11 bills introduced during the period from 14 September to 17 September 2026 and amendments agreed in relation to one bill. The digest also contains the committee's concluded examination of one previously introduced bill.</para>
<para>I wish to draw senators' attention to the committee's comments in relation to the Customs and other Legislation Amendment (Illicit Tobacco Enforcement, Modernisation and Other Measures Bill) 2026. The bill would introduce criminal offences that would apply when a person has imported tobacco and it is reasonable to suspect that that person intends to defraud the revenue or that the tobacco was imported illegally. The bill would also insert a criminal offence for the importation of tobacco without permission or in breach of permit conditions. In this digest, the committee notes that the element of reasonable suspicion in the new offences would provide for a lower standard of proof than what is usually required in criminal law. This means that the prosecution would not have to prove an intention to commit the offence beyond a reasonable doubt. Absolute liability would also apply to these elements, removing the requirement for the prosecution to prove the defendant's fault. The committee considers that the approach taken in the bill risks conviction where the evidence may not prove a defendant's culpability to the usual criminal standard of proof.</para>
<para>Second, the bill would provide circumstances where it is presumed that it is reasonable to suspect that importing tobacco would result in the defrauding of the revenue or that tobacco has been illegally imported, reversing the evidential burden of proof. A defendant would need to raise evidence to disprove the reasonable suspicion in that circumstance. The committee notes that this departs from the common-law requirement for the prosecution to prove all elements of an offence. This is compounded by the fact that these presumptions would apply to an element of the offence where the defence of mistake of fact would not be available.</para>
<para>Third, the committee has noted that significant penalties are proposed for the new offences without sufficient justification. The new offences carry a maximum penalty of five years imprisonment, which may increase up to 10 years imprisonment if an aggravated circumstance is proven. The committee acknowledges the deterrent intention of the penalties but considers that they have not been fully justified with reference to comparable offences in other Commonwealth legislation.</para>
<para>The committee has noted that each of these scrutiny matters may, on their own, be acceptable within the context of deterring large-scale commercial importation of tobacco. Nevertheless, the committee is concerned about the cumulative effect of the matters and considers that offences such as these should be used judiciously so as to not significantly trespass on personal rights and liberties. The committee has therefore resolved to draw the Senate's attention to the matters under Senate standing order 24(1)(a)(i), which requires a committee to consider whether provisions of bills before the parliament trespass unduly on personal rights and liberties. The bill would also expand the application of powers for customs officers to arrest a person without a warrant for specific purposes, if the officer reasonably believes that one of the new criminal offences has been or is being committed. The committee has requested advice from the minister about the necessity of the expansion of the appropriateness of a broad range of people, including any employee in the department, being empowered to use a highly coercive power. With these comments, I commend the committee's <inline font-style="italic">Scrutiny digest 13 of 2026 </inline>to the Senate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1>
  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Scrutiny of Delegated Legislation Committee</title>
          <page.no>114</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Delegated Legislation Monitor</title>
            <page.no>114</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'NEILL</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present <inline font-style="italic">Delegated legislation monitor 10 of 2026</inline> of the Standing Committee for the Scrutiny of Delegated Legislation, together with ministerial correspondence received by the committee, and I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>This <inline font-style="italic">D</inline><inline font-style="italic">elegated legislation monitor 10 of 2026</inline> reports on the committee's consideration of 194 legislative instruments registered between 2 July and 24 August 2026. In this monitor, the committee has commented on one new instrument and concluded its examination of another instrument.</para>
<para>The new instrument the committee has commented on is the Aboriginal Land and Waters (Jervis Bay Territory) By-Laws of 2026. This instrument sets out a range of matters in relation to Aboriginal land in the Jervis Bay Territory, including offences for certain conduct, enforcement measures and permits to undertake certain activities. The committee has identified a number of scrutiny concerns with this instrument which were not addressed in the instrument's explanatory statement. As such, the committee has resolved to seek advice from the Minister for Indigenous Australians.</para>
<para>The committee has first raised concerns about the conferral of discretionary powers. It appeared to impact upon personal rights and liberties. For example, the committee is concerned about section 83, which authorises the Wreck Bay Aboriginal Community Council to suspend or cancel permits where there are reasonable grounds for believing that the holder is likely to contravene a condition of the permit. This may result in adverse consequences for permit holders based on anticipated rather than established conduct and may raise concerns regarding the presumption of innocence. The committee is seeking the minister's advice in relation to this and other discretionary powers in the instrument, as they are not extensively justified in the instrument's explanatory statement.</para>
<para>The committee has also raised concern about section 65, which appears to allow a broad class of persons to exercise the administrative power and functions of a warden. As the instrument's explanatory statement does not include information relating to the appointment of wardens or the conferral of their powers, it's unclear to the committee why such conferrals are considered necessary and appropriate, what qualifications and skills appointed wardens will be required to have and whether any safeguards or limitations apply.</para>
<para>Furthermore, the committee has sought advice about the necessity and appropriateness of coercive powers in the instrument, including powers to remove trespassers and impound and destroy animals. The committee expects the inclusion of such provisions to be justified in the instrument's explanatory materials. Some of these powers are also accompanied by immunity from liability, which has heightened the committee's concerns in this regard.</para>
<para>The committee has also sought advice regarding offence-specific defence provisions which reverse the evidential burden of proof. A fundamental principle of the Australian legal system is that the prosecution must ordinarily prove all elements of an offence. In the absence of justification for these measures in the explanatory statement, it is unclear to the committee why reversing the evidential burden of proof is considered necessary and appropriate and what safeguards might exist. In addition, the instrument does not provide for independent merits review of the decisions made under the instrument and also appears to contain provisions that limit the availability of judicial review, including in relation to decisions that may affect individuals' rights and liberties.</para>
<para>The committee notes the unique policy and governance considerations associated with Aboriginal land and the objective of ensuring appropriate local decision-making in connection with management and protection of Aboriginal land. However, the committee ordinarily expects more detailed justifications to be set out in explanatory materials where review mechanisms are limited or excluded. Furthermore, while the explanatory statement states that consultation was undertaken with executive members of the Wreck Bay Aboriginal Community Council's executive committee, the committee would usually expect further detail about the appropriateness of additional consultation with persons affected to also be set out in explanatory materials. The committee acknowledges that the executive members are well placed to advise on the operation and impact of the instrument. However, it is unclear whether, and to what extent, this consultation reflects the views of the broader community who are directly affected. Finally, the committee also sought advice regarding the meaning of certain key terms and the necessity and appropriateness of prescribing certain matters by notifiable instrument.</para>
<para>The instrument the committee has concluded on is the Woomera Prohibited Area Rules 2026. This instrument prescribes the boundaries of the Woomera Prohibited Area, sets out arrangements for Defence use of the area and provides for approval of conditional access to the area by non-Defence users. The committee identified significant technical scrutiny concerns with the instrument and wrote to the Minister for Defence on 25 September 2026 seeking advice. The committee received a response, dated 1 October 2026, which included an undertaking to amend the explanatory statement to the instrument by including additional information in relation to the matters raised by the committee.</para>
<para>First, the committee sought the minister's advice in relation to the meaning and scope of the term 'security, defence or international relations of Australia', which is used in 14 provisions in the instrument. This term is widely used in the context of discretionary decision-making powers that may significantly impact on rights and liberties, including powers to grant permits, approvals, conditions, cancellations and suspensions. However, the term is not defined in either the text of the instrument or its explanatory statement. The minister advised that this term is necessarily context specific and is intended to encompass matters affecting Australia's national security interests, including defence capability, testing activities and operations as well as cooperation with foreign governments. The minister also noted that, in exercising some of these powers, consideration would be given to espionage, to intelligence collection and to foreign interference risks as well as to the impact on Australia's relationship with international partners.</para>
<para>The committee also sought the minister's advice regarding subsection 20(2) and paragraph 41(3) of the instrument, which confer broad discretionary powers on Australian Defence Force and Public Service employees to direct contractors and permit holders within the Woomera Prohibited Area. A failure to comply with such directions may have legal consequences, including contravention of an offence of strict liability. The committee was particularly concerned about the necessity and appropriateness of these powers, safeguards and limitations that apply. Furthermore, the committee raised concerns about sections 68 and 69 of the instrument, which provide for the delegation of various administrative powers. The committee expects such delegations to be limited to members of the Senior Executive Service or equivalent and was concerned about the absence of such limitations in the instrument. The minister advised that the direction-making powers and the delegation of administrative powers facilitate safe, secure and responsive operations in a large and operationally complex environment. The minister also advised that the exercise of the direction-making powers is subject to safeguards, including Defence accountability, supervision and governance arrangements and role-specific instruction, guidance and training. In addition, the minister noted that powers could be delegated according to significance with more significant powers, such as review powers, only delegable to senior officers.</para>
<para>Furthermore, the committee sought advice regarding the exclusion from both internal review and independent merits review of linked-cell determinations under sections 14 and 16 of the instrument. Refusal to grant such determinations may create disruption for permit holders due to Defence activities. The minister advised that these determinations are excluded from independent merits review due to their administrative and operational character and their limited practical effect. The minister further stated that a refusal to grant a determination does not affect the existence, scope or continuance of any statutory right or permission held by the permit holder.</para>
<para>Finally, the committee raised concerns about consultation undertaken in relation to the instrument, noting that the explanatory statement did not address whether consultation took place in relation to this specific instrument. In response, the minister advised that consultation, including through briefings and town hall meetings, was undertaken with relevant stakeholders such as the South Australian government, First Nations groups, pastoralists, resource companies, railway operators and local councils. The minister further advised that feedback was sought in relation to the proposed changes but that none was received.</para>
<para>The committee thanks the minister for his engagement on these matters and prompt response to the committee's request for advice. In light of the minister's undertaking to amend the explanatory statement, the committee has resolved to conclude its examination of the instrument. With these comments, I commend the committee's <inline font-style="italic">Delegated </inline><inline font-style="italic">legislation monitor</inline><inline font-style="italic">: monitor</inline><inline font-style="italic">10 </inline><inline font-style="italic">of</inline><inline font-style="italic"> 2026</inline> to the Senate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Implementation of the National Redress Scheme&#x2014;Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>115</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>115</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As deputy chair, I present the report of the Joint Standing Committee on Implementation of the National Redress Scheme, entitled <inline font-style="italic">Their courage, our responsibility: </inline><inline font-style="italic">t</inline><inline font-style="italic">he continuing operation of the National Redress Scheme and Australia</inline><inline font-style="italic">'</inline><inline font-style="italic">s commitment to survivors</inline>, and I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Northern Australia Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>116</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>116</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As a member of the Joint Standing Committee on Northern Australia and, on behalf of Senator McDonald, the deputy chair, I present the interim report of the Joint Standing Committee on Northern Australia on the inquiry into preparing for emerging industries across northern Australia, entitled <inline font-style="italic">Developing the </inline><inline font-style="italic">n</inline><inline font-style="italic">orth is not a catchphrase</inline><inline font-style="italic">, </inline>and I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>Given the lateness of the hour, I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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  <subdebateinfo>
          <title>Corporations and Financial Services Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>116</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo>
  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Government Response to Report</title>
            <page.no>116</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WALSH</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the government response to the report of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services entitled <inline font-style="italic">Financial </inline><inline font-style="italic">abuse</inline><inline font-style="italic">:</inline><inline font-style="italic">a</inline><inline font-style="italic">n insidious form of domestic violence</inline> and seek leave to have the document incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The document read as follows&#x2014;</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government response to the Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services Report</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Financial abuse: an insidious form of domestic violence</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">October 2026</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Introduction</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government thanks the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services for its work on the prevalence and impact of, and potential responses to, financial abuse in Australia.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises financial abuse as a complex and insidious form of violence that may be perpetrated within the context of family and domestic violence or elder abuse, as well as within other relationships, such as carer relationships.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government sincerely thanks the individuals and organisations who made submissions and provided evidence over the Committee's public hearings, in particular, those victim-survivors who shared their personal experiences with the Committee.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Committee's report outlines the growing evidence that perpetrators of family and domestic violence are exploiting government and financial systems to control, threaten or harass a current or former partner, often as part of a pattern of coercive control and financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Around 16 per cent of women and 7.8 per cent of men in Australia have experienced economic abuse from a current or previous partner.<inline font-style="italic">[</inline><inline font-style="italic">1</inline><inline font-style="italic">]</inline> This can cause economic hardship, costly and lengthy legal proceedings, and emotional and administrative burdens for victim-survivors, making it difficult to rebuild their lives after leaving an abusive relationship.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Ending financial and economic abuse in all its forms requires sustained and coordinated effort at all levels of the community and government to prevent it from happening, hold perpetrators to account and support those who have experienced or are experiencing violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government's actions to help end financial abuse</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Working for Women: a national strategy for gender equality (2024)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">Working for Women: a national strategy for gender equality</inline> (Working for Women) is the Government's 10 year strategy for advancing gender equality in Australia. Its five priority areas include ending violence against women, aligned with the National Plan to End Violence Against Women and Children 2022-32, and advancing women's economic equality and security.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Working for Women acknowledges the connections between safety and economic security and the need to work across all priority areas to advance gender equality. Working for Women includes addressing financial abuse, including in government systems, among its future actions, and its reporting framework tracks experience of economic abuse. Working for Women is the framework for whole of government policy and structural reform to advance gender equality.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">National Plan to End Violence against Women and Children 2022 <inline font-style="italic">-</inline> 2032</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The <inline font-style="italic">National Plan to End Violence against Women and Children 2022-2032</inline> (National Plan) outlines the Government's vision to end gender-based violence in one generation, and provides the national policy framework for ending gender-based violence in Australia, guiding the work of Australian, state and territory governments, family safety experts and front-line services. The National Plan identifies economic abuse including financial abuse as a common form of family and domestic violence and a key area of focus for addressing gender-based violence in Australia.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Audit of Australian Government Systems</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working to embed safety and stamp out opportunities for systems abuse, including financial abuse, within government systems. Following the National Cabinet meeting on 6 September 2024, the Government commenced an audit of key Australian government systems to identify areas where they are being weaponised by perpetrators of family and domestic violence, in order to stamp out opportunities for systems abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Work is underway across government to address the findings from the audit so far and to identify interventions and system improvements that can protect and support victim-survivors of gender-based violence. As an immediate response to the audit, the Government has committed to practical reforms to embed safety in Commonwealth systems and close loopholes exploited by perpetrators of financial abuse. These include:</para></quote>
<list>Preventing perpetrators from using tax and corporate systems to create debts as a form of coercive control and making perpetrators accountable for these debts if they do.&#x202F;</list>
<list>Looking at how to stop perpetrators of domestic and family violence from receiving their victim's superannuation after death.&#x202F;</list>
<list>Looking at making perpetrators liable for social security debts incurred by a victim-survivor due to coercion or financial abuse.&#x202F;</list>
<quote><para class="block">Further details of these reforms are referred to in greater detail throughout the body of this Government Response.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The audit is an ongoing mechanism to examine existing government systems and identify how they can be strengthened to improve safety for victim-survivors and prevent further abuse. The Government is also working to apply the principles of Safety by Design into systems reform and design to contribute to preventing systems and financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Implementing recommendations of reviews in relation to financial abuse</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Financial abuse, particularly in government systems, has been the subject of further investigations since the Committee handed down its report, including by the Commonwealth Ombudsman's report <inline font-style="italic">Weaponising Child Support: when the system fails families </inline>(2025) and the Tax Ombudsman's report <inline font-style="italic">Identification and management of financial abuse within the tax system </inline>(2025).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is implementing the recommendations of these reports to improve the management of financial abuse in the child support and taxation systems.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Structure of this Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The response indicates that the Government either Supports, Supports in Principle or Notes each recommendation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Each of these terms is explained in the following table.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Response to the recommendations</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 1</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government establish a mechanism for co-design with victim-survivors of financial abuse (including through representative groups) in relation to the implementation of legislative, regulatory and sector-driven reforms aimed at mitigating the prevalence and impact of financial abuse, including the recommendations of this report.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation. The Government has a range of stakeholder engagement mechanisms which emphasise the value of lived experience in the development of policy relating to financial abuse and other forms of family and domestic violence, as well as a broad range of other stakeholders. These include the Financial Elder Abuse Project; the Lived Experience Advisory Council; and the Systems Abuse Priority Reforms Stakeholder Engagement Forum. The Government will continue to engage with these groups, and to centre the experience of victim-survivors of family and domestic violence in the development of financial abuse related policy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 2</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government amend the <inline font-style="italic">National Consumer Credit Protection Act 2009</inline> and ASIC's Regulatory Guide 209 to specifically require:</para></quote>
<list>that the lender must take reasonable steps to be satisfied that a borrower and any guarantor is not experiencing financial abuse; and</list>
<list>that the lender must take reasonable steps to verify the lending requirements and objectives of each borrower and any guarantor.</list>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 3</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government establish a review of Responsible Lending Obligations and the National Credit Code, informed by the lived experience of victim-survivors, to consider options for:</para></quote>
<list>protecting victim-survivors of family and domestic violence to obtain credit; and</list>
<list>the inclusion of specific conditions to support victim-survivors of family and domestic violence to stay in their own homes.</list>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 4</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government amend the National Credit Code to require financial institutions to inform all borrowers of changes to joint credit contracts in circumstances of reasonably suspected family and domestic violence, including financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports recommendations 2,3 and 4 in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the important role that consumer credit laws, lending practices and financial institutions play in identifying, preventing and responding to financial abuse. The evidence before the Committee highlighted the ways in which credit and lending arrangements can be misused by perpetrators to facilitate coercive control, create financial liabilities, or further disadvantage victim-survivors of family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government agrees that lending frameworks should appropriately support victim-survivors and reduce opportunities for financial abuse, and notes that any changes to responsible lending obligations, consumer credit requirements or notification arrangements must be carefully designed to ensure they are effective in practice, proportionate, and do not create unintended consequences, including opportunities for perpetrators to further exploit or manipulate financial systems.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to consider options to address the intent of these policy proposals through collaborative work with industry, consumer advocates, victim-survivor representatives and relevant regulators, including the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC). This work will be informed by ongoing consultation and consideration of lived experience to ensure any measures strengthen protections for victim-survivors, support access to appropriate credit, and cannot be readily manipulated or weaponised by perpetrators of family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As part of this work, the Government will consider opportunities to strengthen responses to financial abuse within existing consumer credit and regulatory frameworks. The Government will also consider how reforms in this area align with broader efforts to address systems abuse and embed safety across financial and government systems.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 5</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government consider how to best allow financial institutions to document and/or flag actual or suspected financial abuse against their customers when detected or reasonably suspected, including without explicit consent from customers. This may include amendments to the <inline font-style="italic">Privacy Act 1988</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government acknowledges the intent of this recommendation and recognises the importance of enabling financial institutions to identify and respond appropriately to actual or suspected financial abuse. The ability to safely record, flag and share relevant information can assist financial institutions to better support victim-survivors and reduce opportunities for ongoing abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is considering options to address this issue as part of a second tranche of reforms to the <inline font-style="italic">Privacy Act 1988</inline>. On 31 August 2026 the Government released draft legislation and an accompanying consultation paper on privacy reforms. These consultations respond to the committee's recommendation by proposing amendments to the Privacy Act's existing "permitted general situation" for serious misconduct. The reforms would broaden the exception from "misconduct of a serious nature" to "wrongdoing of a serious nature", recognising that it may apply to forms of financial abuse, including where a person is exploiting a customer's vulnerability or misusing an enduring power of attorney.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The proposal would also provide greater clarity that financial institutions can collect, use and disclose personal information where they reasonably suspect serious wrongdoing and reasonably believe the handling is necessary to take appropriate action, helping to facilitate earlier detection and response to suspected financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In considering these proposals, the Government will continue to engage with relevant stakeholders to ensure any reforms appropriately balance privacy protections with the need to support and protect people experiencing financial abuse. The Government will also consider how any proposed measures can be designed to minimise unintended consequences and ensure that information-sharing or flagging mechanisms cannot be manipulated or weaponised by perpetrators to cause further harm to victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 6</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government amend the Credit Reporting Code to specify that financial abuse is considered 'circumstances beyond the individual's control'; and that the Australian Retail Credit Association (ARCA) develop a best-practice financial abuse guideline for credit reporting bodies and credit providers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that victim-survivors of financial abuse are not unfairly disadvantaged within the credit reporting system as a result of conduct perpetrated against them.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Credit Reporting Code was amended in 2024 to clarify that domestic abuse, including financial abuse, is a circumstance beyond an individual's control for the purposes of the credit reporting framework. On 1 August 2026, the Australian Retail Credit Association published its <inline font-style="italic">Best Practice Principles: Domestic Abuse and Credit</inline>.<inline font-style="italic">[</inline><inline font-style="italic">2</inline><inline font-style="italic">]</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These actions represent important steps towards the intent of the Committee's recommendation. The Government will continue to monitor their implementation and effectiveness and will consider whether further changes are required as part of its consideration of the Review of Australia's Credit Reporting Framework. This will include consideration of opportunities to strengthen protections for victim-survivors and promote consistent industry responses to financial abuse across the credit reporting system.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 7</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government undertake appropriate action, including legislation, to clarify that circumstances of family violence, elder abuse and homelessness constitute a serious threat to the life, health and safety of an individual. This may include amendments to the Privacy Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that family violence, elder abuse and homelessness can pose significant risks to an individual's safety and wellbeing, and that appropriate information-sharing settings can play an important role in supporting early intervention, risk management and access to services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government acknowledges the intent of this recommendation and is considering options to address the issue as part of a second tranche of reforms to the <inline font-style="italic">Privacy Act 1988</inline>. The Government released draft legislation and an accompanying consultation paper on privacy reforms on 31 August 2026, as mentioned above in relation to Recommendation 5.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In considering these proposals, the Government will continue to engage with relevant stakeholders to ensure privacy settings appropriately support individuals experiencing family violence, elder abuse and other forms of vulnerability, while maintaining appropriate safeguards for personal information.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will also consider how any reforms can best support victim-survivor safety, improve responses to financial and other forms of abuse, and minimise the risk of information-sharing provisions being misused or weaponised to cause further harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 8</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government amend the <inline font-style="italic">Insurance Contracts Act 1984</inline> to allow insurers to deem a joint insurance policy to be a composite policy in situations involving separation or divorce of co-insurers, and in situations where a victim-survivor's claim would ordinarily be denied due to the conduct of their perpetrator of financial abuse or coercive control.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that joint insurance arrangements can create additional barriers for victim-survivors seeking to access insurance entitlements following relationship breakdown, including where financial abuse, coercive control or other forms of family and domestic violence have occurred. The Government also acknowledges concerns that, in some circumstances, the conduct of a perpetrator may have the effect of preventing a victim-survivor from accessing a benefit under an insurance policy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports the intent of ensuring that victim-survivors are not unfairly disadvantaged in the administration of insurance claims due to the actions of a perpetrator. However, any reforms in this area would require careful consideration of their legal, regulatory and operational impacts, including interactions with existing insurance and contract law frameworks.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will engage with industry, consumer representatives, victim-survivor advocates, regulators and other relevant stakeholders in relation to the intent of this recommendation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will also consider how any potential reforms align with broader efforts to prevent financial abuse, improve responses to family and domestic violence, and embed safety within financial systems and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 9</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recognising the legitimate choice of Australians to have self-managed superannuation funds, the committee recommends that the Australian Government undertake a review of the intersection between financial abuse and the superannuation system, particularly in relation to self-managed superannuation funds; and ensure that the review is informed by the lived experience of victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of understanding how financial abuse can intersect with the superannuation system, including within self-managed superannuation funds (SMSFs). Evidence provided to the Committee highlighted concerns that superannuation arrangements may, in some circumstances, be exploited by perpetrators of financial abuse as a means of exerting control, restricting access to assets, or undermining a victim-survivor's long-term financial security.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government agrees that the experiences of victim-survivors should inform consideration of measures to strengthen protections within the superannuation system. The Government will continue to consider opportunities to improve safeguards against financial abuse, informed by engagement with regulators, industry, victim-survivors and relevant stakeholder groups.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As part of broader reforms to improve consumer safety in the superannuation system, the Government announced a range of reforms impacting SMSFs on 19 August 2026. These measures include providing the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) with additional powers to prevent or delay superannuation rollovers into SMSFs where there are indicators of financial abuse, scams or other misconduct, and to engage directly with trustees and members where concerns arise. These powers are intended to support early intervention and reduce the risk of irreversible financial harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In addition, the Government is introducing mandatory education requirements for SMSF trustees. These requirements will help ensure trustees better understand their obligations and responsibilities, and provide an additional safeguard against misconduct, poor decision-making and the exploitation of vulnerable individuals.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government considers that these reforms represent important steps towards addressing the issues identified by the Committee. The Government will continue to monitor emerging risks and consider whether further action is required to strengthen protections against financial abuse within the superannuation system, including in relation to SMSFs.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 10</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Amend the <inline font-style="italic">Superannuation Industry (Supervision) Act 1993</inline> to provide a mechanism so that a beneficiary who has perpetrated domestic or family abuse, including financial abuse, and domestic violence related suicide, against the superannuation account holder can be declared an invalid beneficiary of the account holder's superannuation death benefits.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that perpetrators of family and domestic violence do not financially benefit from their abuse, including through access to a victim-survivor's superannuation death benefits. The Government agrees that the superannuation system should appropriately support victim-survivors and their families and align with broader efforts to prevent and respond to financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government has consulted on reforms to prevent perpetrators of family and domestic violence from receiving a victim's superannuation death benefits and will release exposure draft legislation on this measure in due course. The proposed reforms would provide a mechanism to prevent a perpetrator from benefiting from the superannuation death benefits of their victim in specified circumstances.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In developing these reforms, the Government has extended the policy to include defined benefit schemes, recognising the importance of establishing protections across different parts of the superannuation system. The Government will also engage with state and territory governments regarding potential for schemes established in state and territory legislation to adopt similar reforms.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government considers that these reforms will make an important contribution to addressing financial abuse and ensuring the superannuation system does not facilitate ongoing financial advantage for perpetrators. The Government will continue to engage with stakeholders, including victim-survivor advocates, industry participants and state and territory governments, as it progresses these reforms.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 11</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government undertake a review of all financial products and services and government services to ensure that a perpetrator cannot financially benefit from the death of victim-survivors, including in circumstances of domestic violence related suicide.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government agrees with the intent of this recommendation and notes that work is already underway to address this issue. This includes reforms to prevent perpetrators of family and domestic violence from receiving a victim's superannuation death benefits.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government has consulted on these reforms, expanded the proposed policy to include defined benefit schemes, will release draft legislation in due course and is engaging with a broad range of stakeholders on implementation considerations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to consider whether additional measures are required across financial products, services and government systems to address circumstances where a perpetrator may derive a financial benefit from the death of a victim-survivor, including where family and domestic violence has been a contributing factor.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Given the breadth and complexity of the issues involved, any further action will require careful consideration of existing legislative and regulatory frameworks, interactions between Commonwealth, state and territory laws, and the practical implications for financial institutions, service providers and affected individuals. This work will be informed by engagement with relevant stakeholders, including victim-survivor representatives, regulators, industry and state and territory governments.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to pursue opportunities to strengthen safeguards across systems and services to ensure perpetrators are held to account and do not benefit from financial arrangements arising from their abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 12</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government continue to monitor the effectiveness of the <inline font-style="italic">Family Law Act 1975</inline> in recognising financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that the family law system appropriately identifies and responds to financial abuse, including as a form of family and domestic violence. The Government is committed to monitoring the effectiveness of recent family law reforms in strengthening protections for victim-survivors and preventing the misuse of legal processes to inflict financial harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is required to commence a review of the <inline font-style="italic">Family Law Amendment Act 2023</inline> by 6 May 2027 and the <inline font-style="italic">Family Law Amendment Act 2024</inline> by 10 June 2028. These reviews will provide an opportunity to assess the operation and effectiveness of recent reforms, including their impact on victim-survivors experiencing financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The <inline font-style="italic">Family Law Amendment Act 2023</inline> introduced measures to reduce systems abuse within the family law system, including by enabling courts to make harmful proceedings orders to prevent parties from using family law proceedings to cause harm, including financial harm. The reforms also enable courts to make costs orders where parties fail to comply with their duty to conduct proceedings in a manner that facilitates the just, efficient and cost-effective resolution of disputes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The <inline font-style="italic">Family Law Amendment Act 2024</inline> strengthened the recognition of financial abuse in family law property proceedings, including by clarifying the matters courts may consider when determining property settlements.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to monitor the implementation and effectiveness of these reforms, informed by engagement with courts, legal assistance services, family violence experts and people with lived experience, to ensure the family law system appropriately recognises and responds to financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 13</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That state and territory law societies undertake a review of the ethical obligations of legal practitioners in relation to receipt of instructions which may have a financial abuse motive and available penalties for members who actively enable or facilitate financial abuse on behalf of their clients where there is no other reasonable basis underlying the instruction given by the client.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises concerns raised during the inquiry about the potential for legal services and legal processes to be used to facilitate or perpetuate financial abuse, including as part of a broader pattern of coercive control or systems abuse. The Government agrees that legal practitioners have an important role in upholding the integrity of the legal system and ensuring that professional obligations are consistent with efforts to prevent and respond to family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">While the regulation of legal practitioners and professional conduct rules is primarily a matter for the legal profession and relevant regulatory bodies, including state and territory law societies, the Government supports consideration of whether existing ethical obligations, guidance and disciplinary frameworks appropriately address circumstances where legal services may be used to facilitate financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to engage directly with state and territory law societies on this issue. This will include engagement with representatives of the legal profession through roundtables and broader consultations on financial abuse, including discussions on opportunities to strengthen sector responses and professional practice settings.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work collaboratively with law societies, legal regulators, family violence experts and people with lived experience as it considers next steps to address financial abuse and systems abuse across the legal sector. The Government encourages the legal profession to consider the Committee's recommendation and identify ways to strengthen awareness, professional standards and safeguards to prevent the facilitation of financial abuse through legal processes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 14</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government implement measures to achieve greater consistency in state and territory Enduring Power of Attorney (EPOA) laws applying best practice to prevent financial abuse; and to promote education and awareness programs aimed at reducing elder abuse occurring through misuse of EPOAs.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that enduring powers of attorney are important legal instruments that support autonomy and decision-making, but that they can also be misused to facilitate financial abuse and elder abuse. The Government agrees that greater consistency across jurisdictions and increased community awareness can help strengthen safeguards and reduce opportunities for abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">States and territories are responsible for enduring power of attorney laws. The Government will continue to work collaboratively with state and territory governments to support efforts to promote best practice and improve consistency in enduring power of attorney frameworks where appropriate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The National Plan to End the Abuse and Mistreatment of Older People 2026-2036, released on 16 March 2026, includes a strong focus on efforts to achieve greater consistency in enduring power of attorney laws across Australia and on education and awareness initiatives that promote understanding of life planning documents, decision-making arrangements and available safeguards.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through implementation of the National Plan, the Government will continue to work with states and territories, older Australians, advocacy organisations and other stakeholders to strengthen awareness of enduring powers of attorney and support measures that reduce the risk of financial abuse and misuse of these arrangements.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 15</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government implement a mandatory requirement for providers of financial services and products, as well as government agencies to include a 'quick exit' button on webpages (in accordance with current best practice) to assist victim-survivors of family and domestic violence and financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of practical safety features, including "Quick Exit" functionality, in helping victim-survivors of family and domestic violence and financial abuse safely access information and services online. Features that allow users to quickly leave a webpage can assist in reducing the risk of monitoring, coercion or retaliation by perpetrators.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A number of Australian Government agencies, including Services Australia, have already implemented "Quick Exit" functionality as part of broader efforts to improve the safety and accessibility of online services for people experiencing violence and abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports the intent of promoting the broader adoption of safety-by-design features across sectors. However, the design, implementation and management of websites operated by financial services providers are matters for individual organisations, taking into account the nature of their services, customer needs and digital platforms.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work with industry, regulators and other stakeholders to promote awareness of best-practice approaches to supporting victim-survivors online, including consideration of safety features such as "Quick Exit" functionality.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 16</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions introduce minimum operating standards, with a view to achieving best-practice standards through continuous improvement over time, for including increased friction points in relation to online application processes and electronic transactions to better protect against financial abuse on online platforms.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that online banking, insurance and other financial services can be exploited by perpetrators of financial abuse, and that improved safeguards within digital channels can play an important role in reducing opportunities for harm. The Government acknowledges that appropriately designed friction points, warnings, verification processes and other safety features may assist financial institutions to identify, deter and respond to suspected financial abuse while maintaining access to services for legitimate users.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to financial institutions and industry bodies. As such, the Government is not proposing to mandate minimum operating standards at this time.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with industry participants, regulators and peak bodies to identify opportunities for collaboration to reduce the risk that financial products, services and systems are used to facilitate financial abuse. This includes consideration of safety-by-design principles and other measures that can help strengthen protections for victim-survivors and increase accountability for perpetrators.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages financial institutions to continue to develop and implement best-practice approaches to preventing and responding to financial abuse, including through continuous improvement of online processes, transaction monitoring, customer safeguards and other risk-management controls.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 17</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Banking Association, the Australian Federal Police, victim-survivor advocate organisations and relevant government departments and other stakeholders co-design standard operating guidelines for the referral of reasonably suspected or reported financial abuse to the financial institutions used by suspected perpetrators and victim-survivors. Triggers for referral should include credible reports made to anonymous law enforcement hotlines, informal and formal reports made to law enforcement, and court proceedings such as the attainment of AVO's. The Australian Government should consider any legislative amendments required to give effect to such standard operating guidelines.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the potential value of improved information-sharing arrangements and referral pathways to assist in identifying, preventing and responding to financial abuse. The Government agrees that greater coordination between financial institutions, law enforcement agencies, victim-survivor organisations and government agencies may assist in strengthening protections for victim-survivors and reducing opportunities for perpetrators to misuse financial systems.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government also recognises that any referral framework must be carefully designed to balance victim-survivor safety, privacy, procedural fairness and operational effectiveness. Particular consideration would need to be given to the evidentiary basis for referrals, safeguards against misuse, and the potential consequences of action being taken on the basis of reported or suspected conduct.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to engage with the Australian Banking Association, financial institutions, law enforcement agencies, victim-survivor advocates, regulators and other relevant stakeholders to explore opportunities to strengthen responses to financial abuse across the financial system.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As part of this work, the Government will consider whether legislative, regulatory or operational changes may be required to support appropriate information-sharing and referral mechanisms, while ensuring any arrangements are victim-centred, proportionate, and cannot be manipulated or weaponised by perpetrators to cause further harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This work aligns with the Government's broader efforts to address systems abuse, embed safety by design, and strengthen cross-sector responses to family and domestic violence and financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 18</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions be required to maintain anonymous reporting mechanisms through which victim-survivors of domestic and family violence, or other individuals, can report actual or suspected financial abuse of the institutions' customers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 19</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions ensure that a referral or report of suspected family and domestic violence involving one of their customers triggers immediate engagement with that customer, preferably through in-person attendance at a physical branch or office, to determine the suitability of their current and future financial products.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 20</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions immediately review the accessibility of their in-person banking services and, where necessary, take steps to ensure that customers have reasonable access to in-person banking services or banking support services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports recommendations 18, 19 and 20 in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that victim-survivors of family and domestic violence and financial abuse can access timely, safe and effective support from financial institutions. The Government also acknowledges the important role that frontline banking services, customer engagement processes and reporting channels can play in identifying and responding to financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These recommendations are directed to financial institutions and relate to the design and delivery of customer services and support arrangements. The Government notes that many financial institutions have introduced specialised family and domestic violence programs, dedicated support teams, and a range of in-person, telephone and digital assistance channels for customers experiencing vulnerability, including financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with industry, regulators, peak bodies and victim-survivor advocates to identify opportunities to strengthen the financial sector's response to financial abuse. This includes consideration of how reporting mechanisms, customer engagement practices and service delivery models can better support victim-survivors, while maintaining appropriate safeguards for privacy, safety and procedural fairness.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that victim-survivors have different needs and preferences when engaging with financial institutions. Accordingly, responses to suspected financial abuse should be flexible, trauma-informed and victim-centred, including through access to in-person support where appropriate and reasonably available.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages financial institutions to continue improving their approaches to identifying and responding to financial abuse, including through enhanced reporting pathways, specialist support services and accessible customer assistance, consistent with industry best practice and broader efforts to embed safety by design across the financial system.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 21</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government, in conjunction with the Australian Financial Complaints Authority, consider potential remedies for customers suffering financial abuse who have suffered loss after a financial institution has failed to provide reasonably appropriate access to in-person banking services or other support services in circumstances where the financial institution was aware (or should have been aware) that the customer was at high risk of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that financial institutions respond appropriately where indicators of financial abuse or family and domestic violence are identified. Access to suitable support services, including in-person assistance where appropriate, can be important in helping victim-survivors navigate financial arrangements, maintain financial independence and reduce the risk of further harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government agrees that customers should have access to effective avenues for redress where a financial institution has not met its obligations or provided appropriate support. The Australian Financial Complaints Authority (AFCA) provides an important independent dispute resolution service and can consider complaints having regard to applicable industry codes, standards and good industry practice.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will work with AFCA, regulators, industry, code owners and victim-survivor advocates to consider whether existing consumer protections, industry codes and dispute resolution mechanisms adequately support people experiencing financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This work will form part of the Government's broader efforts to strengthen responses to financial abuse and embed safety across financial systems and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 22</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions, government and relevant stakeholders all increase financial literacy education and in-person support to assist older Australians to use electronic banking services and reduce the risk of financial elder abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that improving financial literacy, digital capability and access to support services can help older Australians confidently engage with financial services and reduce their vulnerability to financial abuse, scams and other forms of exploitation. The Government also acknowledges that a lack of familiarity with digital banking services can increase reliance on others to manage financial affairs, creating opportunities for misuse and abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to financial institutions, governments and other stakeholders. The Government notes that a range of initiatives are already underway across governments, the financial sector and community organisations to improve financial capability and digital inclusion among older Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through the National Plan to End the Abuse and Mistreatment of Older People 2026-2036, the Government is supporting efforts to prevent elder abuse through education, awareness raising and targeted support for older people. The Government will continue to work with state and territory governments, financial institutions, community organisations and advocacy groups to promote initiatives that strengthen financial literacy and digital confidence among older Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages financial institutions to continue providing accessible and tailored support to older customers, including in-person assistance where appropriate, to help them safely access and use banking services. The Government also supports continued collaboration across sectors to identify and promote best-practice approaches to reducing the risk of financial elder abuse and supporting the financial independence of older Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 23</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Banking Association develop and implement minimum operating standards, with a view to moving to best-practice standards through continuous improvement over time, applying to all authorised deposit-taking institutions in relation to identifying and responding to abusive descriptions in electronic money transfers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises concerns that electronic payment descriptions can be misused by perpetrators to harass, intimidate, monitor or otherwise abuse victim-survivors. The Government acknowledges that financial institutions have an important role in identifying and responding to emerging forms of financial abuse facilitated through banking products and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government also acknowledges the work already being undertaken by banks and industry bodies to strengthen responses to family and domestic violence and financial abuse, including efforts to identify harmful transaction activity and improve support for affected customers. The Government encourages industry to continue building on this work and sharing best-practice approaches across the sector.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to the Australian Banking Association and authorised deposit-taking institutions. As such, the Government is not proposing to prescribe minimum operating standards in this area.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with industry, regulators, peak bodies and victim-survivor advocates to identify opportunities to strengthen the financial sector's response to financial abuse and limit the potential for financial products and services to be used to perpetrate harm. This includes consideration of safety-by-design principles, operational practices and industry-led initiatives that can help identify and address abusive conduct within financial systems.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages the banking sector to continue developing consistent and effective approaches to identifying and responding to abusive transaction descriptions and other forms of technology-enabled financial abuse, with a view to improving protections for victim-survivors and reducing opportunities for perpetrators to misuse the financial system.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 24</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government consider introducing appropriate penalties for the use of abusive descriptions in electronic money transfers to harass, intimidate or harm the holder of the account.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government acknowledges the intent of this recommendation and is committed to protecting victim-survivors of financial abuse from harassment, intimidation and coercive control through any means of communication, including through the misuse of financial services and digital technologies.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes concerns raised during the inquiry regarding the use of electronic money transfer descriptions to harass, threaten or otherwise harm victim-survivors. The Government also acknowledges the work already being undertaken by financial institutions and industry bodies to identify and respond to this form of abusive conduct.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The <inline font-style="italic">Criminal Code Act 1995</inline> includes a number of offences relating to the misuse of telecommunications services, including conduct involving the use of carriage services to menace, harass or cause offence. These offences may apply in circumstances where electronic communications are used as a tool of abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work with industry, regulators, law enforcement agencies and victim-survivor advocates to better understand emerging forms of technology-enabled financial abuse and to assess whether existing legislative, regulatory and operational responses remain appropriate and effective.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 25</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That, prior to approving joint banking or credit products, financial institutions implement reasonable and practical continuous disclosure requirements relating to family and domestic violence to assist with the identification of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that joint banking and credit products can, in some circumstances, be used to facilitate financial abuse, coercive control and other forms of family and domestic violence. The Government acknowledges the importance of ensuring that financial institutions are able to identify indicators of financial abuse and respond appropriately to protect affected customers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to financial institutions. As such, the Government is not proposing to mandate specific continuous disclosure requirements at this time. However, the Government supports the objective of strengthening the financial sector's ability to identify and respond to financial abuse and reduce opportunities for perpetrators to misuse financial products and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes that a number of financial institutions have already developed family and domestic violence policies, customer support frameworks and specialised processes to identify and assist customers experiencing financial abuse. The Government encourages industry to continue building on this work and to consider opportunities to strengthen safeguards in relation to joint banking and credit products.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work with industry, regulators, consumer representatives and victim-survivor advocates to explore measures that support the early identification of financial abuse and improve responses when abuse is identified. This work will be informed by the need to ensure any measures are effective, proportionate and cannot be manipulated or weaponised by perpetrators to cause further harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government remains committed to collaborating with industry to improve protections for victim-survivors and strengthen the financial system's response to financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 26</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government legislate to require financial institutions to ensure the following requirements for establishing a joint account:</para></quote>
<list>that each joint account holder has their own access to the account;</list>
<list>that each joint account holder is aware of and has consented to what information will be visible and/or shared with the other account holder; and</list>
<list>that each joint account holder understands the mechanisms available to ensure the safety of the account, such as 'two to sign', before withdrawals can be made.</list>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that joint accounts can, in some circumstances, be used to facilitate financial abuse, coercive control and other forms of family and domestic violence. The Government agrees that customers should have a clear understanding of their rights, responsibilities and available safeguards when establishing and operating joint accounts, and that financial institutions should take appropriate steps to support informed decision-making and account safety.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports the intent of strengthening consumer protections in relation to joint accounts. However, any legislative requirements would need to be carefully considered to ensure they are proportionate, operationally effective and suitable across the range of joint account products and customer circumstances.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes that this recommendation relates to the practices of financial institutions and that many institutions already provide joint account holders with separate access arrangements, information about account authorities and available account controls. The Government encourages industry to continue reviewing and strengthening these practices to ensure they appropriately respond to the risks of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work with industry, regulators, consumer representatives and victim-survivor advocates to explore options to address the intent of this recommendation. This work will consider opportunities to improve transparency, customer awareness and account safeguards, while ensuring any measures are practical to implement and cannot be manipulated or weaponised by perpetrators to cause further harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through its broader work on systems abuse and safety by design, the Government remains committed to strengthening protections for victim-survivors and reducing opportunities for financial abuse within the financial system.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 27</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions implement the recommendations of ASIC's report titled Hardship, hard to get help: Findings and actions to support customers in financial hardship relating to identifying and providing additional support to vulnerable consumers experiencing financial hardship.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that customers experiencing financial hardship, including victim-survivors of family and domestic violence and financial abuse, receive timely, appropriate and trauma-informed support from financial institutions. Effective hardship practices can play a critical role in preventing further financial harm and helping individuals maintain financial stability during periods of vulnerability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to financial institutions. The Government notes the work of the ASIC in its report <inline font-style="italic">Hardship, hard to get help: Findings and actions to support customers in financial hardship</inline>, which identified opportunities for lenders that provide credit regulated under the National Credit Code to improve their hardship practices and better support vulnerable consumers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government acknowledges the work already being undertaken by ASIC and industry to strengthen responses to customers experiencing hardship and vulnerability. The Government encourages financial institutions to continue implementing ASIC's findings and guidance, including measures to improve the identification of vulnerable customers, the accessibility of hardship assistance, and the consistency of support provided to those experiencing family and domestic violence or financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work with industry, regulators, consumer representatives and victim-survivor advocates to support best-practice approaches to hardship assistance and to strengthen protections for customers experiencing financial abuse. This work complements the Government's broader efforts to embed safety within financial systems and improve responses to financial abuse and systems abuse across the community.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 28</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That ASIC conduct a review within 24 months on the implementation and operation of the recommendations of its report titled <inline font-style="italic">Hardship, hard to get help:</inline><inline font-style="italic">Findings and actions to support customers in financial hardship relating to identifying and providing additional support to vulnerable consumers experiencing financial hardship.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that financial institutions provide appropriate support to customers experiencing financial hardship, including those experiencing family and domestic violence and financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">ASIC has continued its work following the publication of <inline font-style="italic">Report 782 Hardship, hard to get help: Findings and actions to support customers in financial hardship</inline>, including by reviewing independent assurance reports relating to lenders' actions in this area and taking enforcement action where appropriate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In September 2025, ASIC published <inline font-style="italic">Report 815 Hardship, not as hard to get help&#x2014;But lenders need to do more</inline>, which reported observed improvements in how lenders are supporting their customers experiencing financial hardship, but also that some are showing slower progress. The Government notes that ASIC continues to actively monitor industry practices and drive improvements in hardship assistance through its regulatory, supervisory and enforcement activities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Given ASIC's ongoing work in this area, the Government considers that existing mechanisms are providing continued oversight of the implementation and effectiveness of ASIC's hardship recommendations. The Government will continue to monitor outcomes for consumers experiencing vulnerability, including victim-survivors of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 29</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government implement a legislative requirement for financial institutions to report periodically on the number of customers identified as experiencing financial abuse, similar to the current requirements for financial hardship.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the value of data and reporting in improving understanding of the prevalence and impacts of financial abuse and supporting evidence-based policy and regulatory responses. Consistent and reliable information can assist governments, regulators and industry to identify emerging trends, assess the effectiveness of interventions and strengthen support for victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports the intent of improving visibility of financial abuse within the financial system. However, any mandatory reporting requirements would require careful consideration, including how financial abuse is identified and recorded, the consistency of reporting across institutions, privacy and confidentiality considerations, and the potential regulatory burden on industry.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes that work is ongoing across government, regulators and industry to improve the identification and response to financial abuse. As financial institutions continue to develop their policies, systems and capabilities in this area, the quality and consistency of available data is also expected to improve.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work with industry, regulators, victim-survivor advocates and other stakeholders to consider opportunities to enhance data collection and reporting on financial abuse. This work will consider whether additional reporting mechanisms would improve outcomes for victim-survivors, support regulatory oversight and inform future policy development, while ensuring appropriate safeguards are in place and avoiding unintended consequences.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 30</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government undertake a review of Buy Now Pay Later credit reforms, to commence within 24 months of the amendments coming into effect, to consider their effectiveness in supporting victim-survivors of financial abuse, and specifically the inclusion of Buy Now Pay Later products under Responsible Lending Obligations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises concerns about the potential for Buy Now Pay Later products to be misused as a tool of financial abuse and acknowledges the importance of ensuring that consumer credit reforms appropriately protect victim-survivors of family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes that significant reforms have recently been implemented to bring Buy Now Pay Later products within the consumer credit regulatory framework, including the application of Responsible Lending Obligations. These reforms are intended to strengthen consumer protections and improve lending practices across the sector.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government agrees that it will be important to assess the effectiveness of these reforms once they have been operating for a sufficient period of time. The Government has indicated it will conduct a review, informed by stakeholder feedback, two years after the measures commence. Any future review should consider the extent to which the reforms are achieving their objectives and whether they remain fit for purpose, including whether they are improving outcomes for consumers experiencing vulnerability and reducing opportunities for financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to monitor the implementation of the Buy Now Pay Later reforms, including through engagement with regulators, industry, consumer representatives and victim-survivor advocates. This work will help inform consideration of whether further evaluation or policy action is required to ensure the regulatory framework appropriately responds to the risks of financial abuse and supports victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 31</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Banking Code of Practice, Customer Owned Banking Code of Practice and the Buy Now Pay Later Code of Practice be amended to:</para></quote>
<list>&#x2022; include specific reference to financial abuse under 'vulnerable customers'; and</list>
<list>&#x2022; require banks to develop systems to proactively identify (to the extent reasonably practical) and offer support to customers who may be experiencing financial abuse.</list>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that financial institutions identify and respond appropriately to customers experiencing financial abuse. Explicit recognition of financial abuse within customer vulnerability frameworks can help promote consistent responses across the financial sector and improve access to support for victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to industry code owners and financial institutions. The Government notes that many banks, customer-owned banking institutions and Buy Now Pay Later providers have already taken steps to strengthen their responses to family and domestic violence, including through dedicated support teams, staff training, hardship arrangements and measures to identify and assist vulnerable customers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages industry to continue building on this work, including through consideration of whether industry codes remain fit for purpose in addressing financial abuse and whether opportunities exist to further strengthen protections for customers experiencing vulnerability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with industry, regulators, peak bodies and victim-survivor advocates to identify opportunities to improve responses to financial abuse across the financial system. This includes consideration of approaches to better identify customers who may be experiencing financial abuse and ensure they are connected with appropriate support services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports continued industry leadership in this area and encourages ongoing review of industry standards and practices to ensure they reflect emerging evidence, lived experience and best-practice approaches to preventing and responding to financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 32</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the general insurance industry implement minimum operating and customer-service standards, with a view to moving to best-practice standards through continuous improvement over time, relating to identifying and responding to financial hardship being experienced by victim-survivors of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that victim-survivors of financial abuse may experience significant financial hardship and face unique challenges when engaging with insurance providers. Appropriate identification of vulnerability and effective customer support can play an important role in helping victim-survivors access insurance products, maintain coverage and navigate claims and financial hardship processes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to the general insurance industry. The Government notes that insurers and industry bodies have undertaken work in recent years to strengthen their responses to customers experiencing vulnerability, including family and domestic violence, financial hardship and other forms of disadvantage.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages the insurance sector to continue building on this work and to consider opportunities to strengthen industry standards, guidance and operational practices relating to the identification of, and response to, financial abuse and financial hardship. This includes ensuring staff are appropriately trained and that customers can access support pathways that are trauma-informed, accessible and responsive to their circumstances.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with industry, regulators, consumer representatives and victim-survivor advocates to identify opportunities to improve responses to financial abuse across the financial system. This includes consideration of how financial institutions can better identify and support customers experiencing vulnerability and financial hardship.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports continued industry leadership and continuous improvement in this area and encourages insurers to adopt best-practice approaches that strengthen protections for victim-survivors and reduce opportunities for financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 33</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government amend the <inline font-style="italic">Insurance Contracts Act 1984</inline> to require a 'conduct of others' clause in all retail insurance policies.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises concerns that victim-survivors of financial abuse may be unfairly disadvantaged where the actions of another person, including a perpetrator of family and domestic violence, affect their ability to make or benefit from an insurance claim. The Government agrees that insurance arrangements should appropriately support victim-survivors and reduce opportunities for perpetrators to cause further financial harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports the intent of ensuring that individuals are not denied access to insurance coverage or claims outcomes because of conduct that was outside their control. However, any amendment to the <inline font-style="italic">Insurance Contracts Act 1984</inline> would require careful consideration of its interaction with existing insurance law, policy design, underwriting practices and claims processes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will explore options to address the intent of this recommendation through engagement with insurers, consumer representatives, victim-survivor advocates, regulators and other relevant stakeholders. This work will consider existing industry practices and whether further legislative, regulatory or operational reforms are appropriate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In undertaking this work, the Government will consider how any measures can be implemented effectively and consistently across the insurance sector, while minimising unintended consequences and ensuring reforms cannot be manipulated or weaponised by perpetrators to cause further harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This work will complement the Government's broader efforts to address financial abuse, strengthen protections for victim-survivors and embed safety across financial systems and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 34</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That Part 9 of the General Insurance Code of Practice and the Life Insurance Code of Practice be amended to define family violence and financial abuse and to better promote the financial safety of victim-survivors of family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that insurance industry frameworks appropriately reflect the experiences of victim-survivors of family and domestic violence, including financial abuse. Clear recognition of family violence and financial abuse within industry codes can support greater consistency in how insurers identify vulnerability, engage with affected customers and provide appropriate support.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to the owners of the General Insurance Code of Practice and the Life Insurance Code of Practice. The Government notes that the insurance industry has undertaken significant work in recent years to improve responses to customers experiencing vulnerability, including through family and domestic violence policies, staff training and enhanced customer support arrangements.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages the insurance industry to continue building on this work and to consider opportunities to strengthen industry codes and guidance to better recognise family violence and financial abuse and promote the financial safety of victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with industry, regulators, consumer representatives and victim-survivor advocates to identify opportunities to improve responses to financial abuse across the financial system. This includes consideration of how industry standards and practices can better support victim-survivors and reduce opportunities for financial products and services to be used as a tool of abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports ongoing industry leadership and continuous improvement in this area and encourages regular review of industry codes to ensure they reflect emerging evidence, lived experience and best-practice approaches to preventing and responding to financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 35</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government undertake a review of the COVID-19 early release of super scheme, with a focus on the number of members who may have withdrawn superannuation savings under coercion and the retirement and other impacts on victim-survivors who accessed their superannuation as a result of financial abuse; and consider an appropriate scheme for the repayment of superannuation by individuals whose withdrawals were the direct result of financial abuse, to enable them to restore their superannuation balances</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes this recommendation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises concerns raised by the Committee regarding the potential for individuals to have accessed their superannuation under the COVID-19 early release of superannuation scheme as a result of coercion, financial abuse or other forms of exploitation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government review of the COVID-19 policy response package, released on 29 October 2024, included consideration of the effectiveness of the COVID-19 early release of superannuation scheme and its broader impacts. The review provided important insights into the operation of the scheme and the experiences of those who accessed it.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government acknowledges the significant and lasting financial impacts that financial abuse can have on victim-survivors, including impacts on long-term retirement savings. The Government also recognises that any proposal to establish a repayment mechanism for individuals whose superannuation withdrawals were the direct result of financial abuse would require careful consideration of matters including eligibility, evidence requirements, administrative complexity, equity and interactions with the broader superannuation system.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to consider evidence relating to financial abuse within the superannuation system as part of its broader work to strengthen protections for victim-survivors, address systems abuse and improve financial outcomes for people affected by family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 36</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government consider the implementation of minimum operating standards, with a view to moving to best-practice standards through continuous improvement over time, to mitigate the risk of elder abuse in relation to superannuation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of protecting older Australians from financial abuse and acknowledges that the superannuation system should include appropriate safeguards to identify and respond to circumstances where members may be experiencing elder abuse, exploitation or other forms of vulnerability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is progressing mandatory service standards for the superannuation industry, which will consider requirements for superannuation funds to appropriately identify and respond to members in vulnerable circumstances, including those experiencing elder abuse. These standards are intended to improve member outcomes and promote consistent practices across the industry.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government consulted on the proposed service standards in 2025 and will undertake further consultation on draft standards in due course. This process will provide an opportunity to consider how superannuation funds can best support vulnerable members and implement safeguards that reduce the risk of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through this work, the Government will continue to engage with industry, regulators, consumer groups and advocates for older Australians to ensure the superannuation system remains responsive to emerging risks and supports the financial wellbeing and security of older Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 37</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That accounting bodies, financial advice and planning peak bodies, and victim-survivor advocate organisations co-design education resources for service providers to enable increased identification of financial abuse and timely reporting of suspected abuse to financial institutions and law enforcement bodies.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 38</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That accounting, financial planning and financial advice industry bodies develop and review ethical obligations of their profession in relation to receipt of instructions which may have a financial abuse motive and institute accompanying penalties for members who actively enable or facilitate financial abuse on behalf of their clients where there is no other reasonable basis underlying the instructions given by the client.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports recommendations 37 and 38 in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that accountants, financial advisers, financial planners and other trusted professionals can play an important role in identifying indicators of financial abuse, supporting early intervention and helping victim-survivors access appropriate assistance. Improving awareness of financial abuse and strengthening professional responses can reduce opportunities for perpetrators to misuse professional services to facilitate or conceal abusive conduct.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These recommendations are directed to professional bodies, industry associations and relevant stakeholders. The Government notes that a range of education, training and professional development initiatives have already been undertaken across the financial services sector to improve understanding of vulnerability, family and domestic violence, and financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages accounting bodies, financial planning and financial advice peak bodies, victim-survivor advocates and other stakeholders to continue collaborating to develop educational resources, guidance and professional training that improve the sector's ability to identify and respond to financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government also supports consideration by professional bodies of whether existing ethical obligations, professional standards and disciplinary frameworks appropriately address circumstances where professional services may be used to facilitate financial abuse, coercive control or other forms of exploitation. Professional bodies are best placed to consider whether additional guidance, standards or sanctions are required to ensure members meet community expectations and uphold the integrity of their professions.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to engage with industry, professional bodies, regulators and victim-survivor advocates through its broader work to address financial abuse and systems abuse. This includes considering opportunities to strengthen professional awareness, capability and accountability, while ensuring responses are proportionate, practical and focused on improving outcomes for victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 39</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the finance sector develops a financial Safety by Design framework and assessment tools. The committee further recommends that the framework is developed in consultation with the financial services industry, victim-survivors, family and domestic violence academics, community service providers and regulatory design experts.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the value of Safety by Design principles in reducing opportunities for financial abuse and embedding victim-survivor safety into the design and delivery of financial products, services and systems. The Government agrees that preventing harm should be a key consideration in the development of financial services, rather than relying solely on responses after abuse has occurred.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to the finance sector. The Government notes that industry, regulators, consumer organisations and victim-survivor advocates have already undertaken important work to improve responses to financial abuse and other forms of vulnerability. The Government also continues to promote the application of Safety by Design principles through its broader work to address systems abuse and strengthen protections for victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages the financial services sector to work collaboratively with victim-survivors, family and domestic violence experts, community organisations, regulators and design specialists to identify opportunities to embed Safety by Design principles across financial products and services. This includes consideration of tools, frameworks and processes that assist organisations to identify risks, mitigate opportunities for abuse and improve customer safety outcomes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with industry and peak bodies to identify where Government may work collaboratively with the financial sector to limit the potential for financial systems to be used to perpetrate financial abuse. This includes consideration of approaches that strengthen system design, improve identification of harm and support consistent responses to financial abuse across the sector.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports continued innovation and collaboration in this area and encourages industry-led initiatives that help build a safer and more resilient financial system for all Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 40</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions that provide mortgages implement the standard practice of offering multiple offset accounts for joint mortgages.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that the design of mortgage and banking products can influence the financial independence and safety of customers, including victim-survivors of family and domestic violence and financial abuse. Features that provide greater flexibility in the management of joint finances may assist some customers to better manage household finances and reduce opportunities for financial control or coercion.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation is directed to financial institutions that provide mortgage products. The Government notes that some lenders already offer multiple offset account arrangements and other product features designed to provide customers with greater flexibility in managing their finances.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is not proposing to mandate specific mortgage product features. However, the Government encourages financial institutions to consider how product design can better support customers experiencing vulnerability, including through the application of Safety by Design principles and consideration of the risks of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with industry, regulators, consumer representatives and victim-survivor advocates to identify opportunities to strengthen the financial sector's response to financial abuse and reduce the potential for financial products and services to be used as a mechanism for coercive control.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports continued innovation and improvement in mortgage and banking products and encourages industry to consider whether greater flexibility and customer choice in account structures could improve outcomes for customers experiencing financial abuse or other forms of financial vulnerability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 41</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government expand the Design and Distribution Obligations to include consideration of customers impacted by family and domestic violence, including financial abuse, and the potential for perpetrators to cause harm by misusing products and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government support this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that financial products and services can, in some circumstances, be misused to facilitate financial abuse, coercive control and other forms of family and domestic violence. The Government agrees that product design and distribution practices can play an important role in identifying and mitigating risks of harm to consumers, including victim-survivors of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Design and Distribution Obligations (DDO) framework was introduced to promote better consumer outcomes by requiring issuers and distributors of financial products to place consumers at the centre of product design and distribution decisions. The Government acknowledges the intent of this recommendation and the potential value of considering how the DDO framework can further support customers experiencing vulnerability, including those affected by family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will consider opportunities to address the intent of this recommendation through engagement with industry, regulators, consumer representatives and victim-survivor advocates. This work will consider the operation of the existing DDO framework and whether further guidance, regulatory measures or legislative changes may be warranted to better account for the risks of financial abuse and product misuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 42</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial service and product providers ensure that financial abuse is explicitly referenced in the terms and conditions for all financial products.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 43</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions implement minimum operating standards, with a view to moving to best-practice standards through continuous improvement over time, for the introduction of positive friction points to minimise the risk that a customer is applying for a product under coercion or duress or without providing free and informed consent.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 44</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions ensure that, in addition to general training about family and domestic violence, all employees have training in financial abuse that is appropriate to their level and role.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports recommendations 42, 43 and 44 in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that financial institutions are equipped to identify, prevent and respond to financial abuse. Financial products and services can, in some circumstances, be used to facilitate coercive control and other forms of family and domestic violence. Strengthening product design, customer engagement practices and workforce capability can help reduce opportunities for abuse and improve outcomes for victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These recommendations are directed to financial service and product providers. The Government notes that many financial institutions have already taken significant steps to strengthen their responses to family and domestic violence and financial abuse, including through staff training, specialised support services, product safeguards and customer assistance programs.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages industry to continue building on this work and to consider opportunities to strengthen customer awareness of financial abuse, improve product and service design, and enhance staff capability to identify and respond to indicators of abuse. This includes consideration of how product documentation, customer interactions and operating procedures can support informed decision-making and help identify circumstances involving coercion, duress or financial control.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government also supports continued application of Safety by Design principles across the financial sector, including through consideration of measures that can reduce opportunities for products and services to be misused by perpetrators. This may include the use of appropriate friction points, customer verification processes and other safeguards designed to support free and informed consent while minimising unintended consequences for legitimate customers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with industry, regulators, peak bodies and victim-survivor advocates to identify opportunities to strengthen the financial sector's response to financial abuse. As part of this work, the Government encourages financial institutions to ensure employees receive training appropriate to their role and responsibilities so they can effectively recognise and respond to financial abuse and connect customers with appropriate support.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through ongoing collaboration with industry, the Government will continue to promote best-practice approaches that strengthen protections for victim-survivors, improve awareness of financial abuse and reduce the potential for financial products and services to be used as tools of abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 45</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That financial institutions, government and relevant stakeholders all provide appropriate support to culturally and linguistically diverse consumers through:</para></quote>
<list>&#x2022; culturally appropriate financial literacy programs and plain language product descriptions or ways of talking about financial abuse to promote financial awareness and help-seeking; and</list>
<list>&#x2022; where a language barrier is identified, the provision of interpreters and employees trained in providing interpreting services in the family violence context.</list>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government support this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that culturally and linguistically diverse communities can access financial services, government services and support in a way that is safe, accessible and responsive to their needs. The Government also acknowledges that language barriers, cultural factors and limited awareness of available supports may increase vulnerability to financial abuse and reduce help-seeking.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Commonwealth service delivery agencies already provide a range of supports to assist culturally and linguistically diverse consumers. For example, Services Australia undertakes targeted multicultural community engagement activities and provides information and resources in languages other than English. The ATO also undertakes targeted communications to support culturally and linguistically diverse taxpayers and provides dedicated support channels for communities requiring additional assistance.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of culturally appropriate communication, financial literacy initiatives and language services in supporting people experiencing financial abuse, including family and domestic violence. Government agencies will continue to consider how their services, communications and engagement activities can be tailored to meet the needs of culturally and linguistically diverse communities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government encourages financial institutions, community organisations and other stakeholders to continue strengthening culturally appropriate support services, including through the use of interpreters, translated materials and staff training that supports engagement with culturally and linguistically diverse customers experiencing vulnerability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work with industry, service providers and community stakeholders to improve accessibility and ensure that people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds are able to access information, support and services that assist them to prevent, identify and respond to financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 46</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government support Aboriginal Community Controlled Organisations to develop training and education programs for financial providers to increase understanding of financial and economic abuse of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government support this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring responses to financial abuse are informed by the experiences, expertise and leadership of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities. The Government acknowledges that Aboriginal Community Controlled Organisations (ACCOs) play a critical role in providing culturally safe and community-led services, including services that support financial wellbeing and respond to the impacts of financial abuse and economic disadvantage.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government funds a range of community organisations, including ACCOs, to deliver financial wellbeing and capability services. In delivering these services, community organisations and ACCOs may support individuals impacted by financial abuse, including First Nations Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports the development and sharing of culturally informed knowledge and resources that improve understanding of financial and economic abuse affecting Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. The Government encourages ongoing collaboration between ACCOs, financial institutions, community organisations and other stakeholders to strengthen awareness, capability and culturally appropriate responses across the financial services sector.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through its broader work to address financial abuse and improve financial inclusion, the Government will continue to engage with First Nations communities and organisations to identify opportunities to strengthen culturally safe approaches to prevention, early intervention and support for victim-survivors of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 47</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Department of Defence and financial institutions co-design best-practice guidelines to assist financial services to address the specific needs of defence force families who may be experiencing financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government support this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government acknowledges the intent of this recommendation and recognises that there are military-specific factors that can increase the risk of financial abuse for Australian Defence Force personnel and their families. Service life might include frequent postings, periods of separation, deployment-related pressures and financial dependency which can create circumstances that may increase vulnerability to family and domestic violence, including financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Department of Defence is progressing work to prevent and respond to family and domestic violence through the <inline font-style="italic">Defence Strategy for Preventing and Responding to Family and Domestic Violence 2023-2028</inline> and its associated Action Plan. This work is intended to strengthen Defence's response to family and domestic violence and improve support for Defence personnel and their families.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Defence also provides targeted support to Defence members and their families and facilitates access to specialist financial and FDV supports and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that financial institutions understand and respond appropriately to the unique circumstances of Defence families. The Government encourages ongoing engagement between Defence, financial institutions and other stakeholders to strengthen awareness of the risks and indicators of financial abuse within Defence communities and to identify opportunities to improve support for affected individuals and families.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to monitor existing initiatives and consider opportunities to further strengthen support for Defence personnel and their families as part of its broader efforts to prevent and respond to financial abuse and family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 48</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government consider the establishment of a reporting process relating to the relative effectiveness of financial products and government services in preventing and addressing financial abuse. This may include a benchmarking process or reporting framework administered by a government agency or through funding provided to an independent non-government organisation or body such as the Australian Banking Association.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the value of data, reporting and evaluation in improving understanding of the effectiveness of financial products, services and government systems in preventing and responding to financial abuse. Greater transparency can help identify good practice, support continuous improvement and inform future policy, regulatory and industry responses.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports the intent of strengthening accountability and promoting best practice across sectors. However, any reporting or benchmarking framework would require careful consideration of its scope, objectives, governance arrangements and reporting burden, as well as the availability of consistent and reliable data on financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes that work is already underway across government, regulators and industry to improve the identification of financial abuse, strengthen responses to victim-survivors and embed Safety by Design principles in products and services. As these initiatives mature, opportunities may emerge to better assess and compare the effectiveness of different approaches to preventing and addressing financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to engage with regulators, industry, victim-survivor advocates and other stakeholders to consider options for improving transparency, data collection and performance measurement in relation to financial abuse. This will include consideration of whether a reporting framework, benchmarking process or other evaluation mechanism could assist in driving better outcomes for victim-survivors and reducing opportunities for financial abuse across government and financial systems.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Any future approach would need to be practical, evidence-based and informed by the experiences of victim-survivors, while ensuring that reporting arrangements support meaningful improvements in safety and do not create unintended consequences.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 49</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government make the necessary legislative and regulatory changes to enable the Australian Taxation Office to assume responsibility for government child support collections, replacing the Agency Collect program currently managed by Services Australia.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 50</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government mandate annual payer and payee declarations to the Australian Tax Office for individuals in private child support payment arrangements; and require appropriate acquittal documentation, including but not limited to bank statements, to substantiate all declarations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 51</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That, where an annual payer declaration shows that child support payments are not reasonably aligned with payee child support entitlements, or where an annual payer declaration is not made, Private Collect child support payment arrangements automatically convert to Agency (Australian Tax Office) Collect child support arrangements.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 52</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That, at the end of each financial year, the Australian Government provide child support payees with refundable tax credits equal to any shortfall in child support payments for the preceding year; and raise a corresponding tax debt against the relevant child support payer, collectable by the Australian Tax Office as a debt owed to the Commonwealth.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 53</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government undertake a review of the formulas used to determine child support payments; and ensure that the review is informed by the lived experience of victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes recommendations 49 and 52. The Government supports recommendations 50, 51 and 53 in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Committee's recommendations highlight key areas of the Child Support Scheme that can be weaponised by perpetrators of family and domestic violence to facilitate financial abuse, coercive control and ongoing post-separation harm. The Government recognises the significant impacts that child support-related abuse can have on victim-survivors and their children, including financial insecurity, ongoing contact with perpetrators, and barriers to recovery following family violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is taking action to improve the Child Support Scheme in response to these issues.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In the 2026-27 Budget, the Government announced significant reforms to address the weaponisation of the Child Support Scheme and strengthen protections against financial abuse. These reforms build on the views of people with lived experience of financial abuse, coercive control and ongoing post-separation harm, and recommendations from the Joint Select Committee on Australia's Family Law System, the Commonwealth Ombudsman's report <inline font-style="italic">Weaponising Child Support: when the system fails families</inline>, the findings of this Committee, and work undertaken through the Commonwealth Systems Abuse Audit.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In response to these reviews and recommendations, the Department of Social Services has commissioned a range of research, including the Survey of Separated Parents. This work informed the 2026-27 Budget reforms which were developed in collaboration with Services Australia, the Office for Women, the ATO and the Treasury.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Consistent with the Government's broader efforts to embed safety across Commonwealth systems, the Government's reforms will make the Scheme safer, fairer and more responsive to the experiences of victim-survivors. These reforms are intended to reduce opportunities for perpetrators to misuse the Scheme as a tool of financial abuse while maintaining an effective child support system that supports the wellbeing of children and families.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">On 17 September 2026 the Government introduced legislation into Parliament to deliver the first stage of these reforms, with the Child Support and Family Assistance Legislation Amendment (Ending Financial Abuse in the Child Support Scheme No. 1) Bill 2026.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">While the Government does not propose to transfer responsibility for child support collection from Services Australia to the ATO or assume private debts between parents, it agrees with the underlying intent of the recommendation, which is to improve compliance with child support obligations and ensure that children and receiving parents obtain the financial support to which they are entitled. The Government considers that these objectives can be more effectively achieved through targeted reforms to strengthen the administration, collection and enforcement of child support within the existing framework, while building on Services Australia's specialist expertise in delivering the Child Support Scheme and supporting families experiencing vulnerability, including family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Child Support Agency was originally established within the ATO before being transferred to the Department of Family and Community Services in 1998 following recommendations of the Joint Select Committee on Certain Family Law Issues. Since 2004, Services Australia (then the Department of Human Services) has been responsible for administering and delivering the Child Support Scheme.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Services Australia has extensive experience in administering child support arrangements, supporting vulnerable customers, responding to family and domestic violence, and managing complex family circumstances. In 2024-25, Services Australia collected the equivalent of 95.8 per cent of child support assessed in Agency Collect cases.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of close cooperation between Commonwealth agencies in identifying and responding to financial abuse. The ATO already plays an important role in the operation of the Child Support Scheme by providing income information to support child support assessments and intercepting tax refunds to recover child support debts. Consistent with the Government's announced reforms, measures in the 2026-27 Budget will further strengthen information sharing between the ATO and Services Australia to improve administration of the Scheme and support compliance activities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A key objective of the Child Support Scheme is that it remain non-intrusive, simple, flexible and efficient. Some parents prefer Private Collect arrangements. At the same time, the Government recognises that these arrangements can be vulnerable to misuse in some circumstances, particularly where family and domestic violence is present.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is committed to ensuring that parents using Private Collect arrangements meet their child support obligations fairly and responsibly. To support this objective, the 2026-27 Budget included $64.9 million in funding to strengthen protections for parents in Private Collect arrangements and create improved pathways into Agency Collect where risks are identified.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These reforms include measures to improve transitions from Private Collect to Agency Collect and increase Services Australia's ability to recover unpaid child support where a parent moves into Agency Collect arrangements. The Government is also introducing a new Collection Arrangements Guidance Tool to provide parents entering into child support arrangements for the first time with more tailored advice on the collection options and their associated risks and benefits, to help them to choose the arrangements best suited to their circumstances. The guidance tool will include screening to identify risks including family and domestic violence or financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes that where a payer fails to comply with a Private Collect arrangement, a payee may already elect to transfer to Agency Collect at any time. Services Australia may also collect unpaid child support from previous periods, including up to nine months in special circumstances. These provisions can be particularly important where a payee has experienced coercion, intimidation or pressure from a perpetrator not to seek assistance. The 2026-27 Budget reforms further expand on these provisions, by allowing payers to choose Agency Collect, and allowing payees to ask Services Australia to recover more unpaid child support when they move from Private Collect to Agency Collect.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government acknowledges the intent of Recommendation 52 regarding refundable tax credits for unpaid child support liabilities, and whilst the recommendation will not be directly adopted, the Government recognises the intent of improving financial security for child support recipients. The Child Support Scheme operates alongside broader government supports, including Family Tax Benefit, which assists eligible families with the costs of raising children. The Government considers that announced reforms to strengthen compliance, improve collection arrangements and reduce opportunities for financial abuse provide a more targeted response to the issues identified by the Committee.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government agrees to the intent of Recommendation 53 relating to review of the child support formula.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation aligns with the Government's response to Recommendation 18 of the Joint Select Committee on Australia's Family Law System. In 2023, the Government established the Child Support Expert Panel and commissioned a range of research relating to the costs of children and the operation of the child support formula. This work was undertaken to ensure that child support assessments continue to appropriately reflect the costs of raising children and the circumstances of contemporary Australian families.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government also recognises the importance of incorporating the experiences of service users, including victim-survivors of family and domestic violence, into ongoing policy development. The Child Support Stakeholder Consultation Group meets bi-annually with the Department of Social Services and Services Australia to provide direct feedback on the operation of the Scheme and the experiences of families interacting with it.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to monitor the operation of the Child Support Scheme and implement reforms to strengthen safety, improve compliance and reduce opportunities for financial abuse. The experiences of victim-survivors will remain a central consideration in the development and implementation of future reforms to ensure the Scheme supports the safety, wellbeing and financial security of children and families.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 54</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government develop a tax relief model for victim-survivors of financial abuse similar to the United States Internal Revenue Service 'innocent spouse relief' provisions.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that victim-survivors of financial abuse may incur tax liabilities as a result of coercion, deception or other abusive conduct by a perpetrator. The Government agrees that victim-survivors should not be unfairly burdened by debts created through financial abuse and that perpetrators should be held accountable for liabilities they have caused through coercion or coercive control.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation aligns with the Government's 2025 election commitment to prevent perpetrators from using tax and corporate systems to create debts as a form of coercive control and to make perpetrators accountable for those debts where they do.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As a first step in delivering this commitment, the Government is progressing reforms to address coerced directorships and the misuse of corporate structures to facilitate financial abuse. These reforms are intended to ensure victim-survivors are not held responsible for company debts and obligations incurred as a result of coercion or abuse by a perpetrator.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Building on this work, the Government will publicly consult on broader measures to provide relief for victim-survivors and make perpetrators accountable for tax debts incurred by a victim-survivor due to coercion or financial abuse. This work will consider existing tax administration arrangements, the experiences of victim-survivors, and relevant international approaches, including features of the United States Internal Revenue Service's innocent spouse relief provisions.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through these reforms, the Government is committed to ensuring that tax and corporate systems do not facilitate financial abuse, that victim-survivors are appropriately protected, and that responsibility for debts arising from coercive conduct rests with those responsible for creating them.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 55</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government amend the <inline font-style="italic">Corporations Act 2001</inline> to ensure that the company director provisions appropriately recognise family and domestic violence , including financial abuse, as a reason why a director may be regarded as not in fact managing a company.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 56</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government extend the time period allowed to respond to a Director Penalty Notice in cases of reasonable claims of financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports recommendation 55.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports recommendation 56 in principle</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that corporate structures and director obligations can be exploited by perpetrators as a means of financial abuse and coercive control, including by coercing victim-survivors into becoming company directors and exposing them to significant debts, liabilities and compliance obligations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendations 55 and 56 align with the Government's 2025 election commitment to prevent perpetrators from using the tax and corporate systems to create debts as a form of coercive control and to make perpetrators accountable for those debts where they do.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government consulted on reforms in 2025 to address the misuse of tax and corporate systems to facilitate financial abuse, including circumstances involving coerced directorships and the operation of Director Penalty Notice arrangements. The Government will release draft legislation in due course to implement key elements of these reforms.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The proposed reforms are intended to strengthen protections for victim-survivors, ensure that the operation of company director provisions appropriately recognises the realities of family and domestic violence and financial abuse, and reduce opportunities for perpetrators to misuse corporate structures to cause financial harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In developing these reforms, the Government has also considered the concerns raised by the Committee regarding Director Penalty Notices and the capacity of victim-survivors experiencing financial abuse to respond to regulatory and tax obligations. Following the Government's consultation on options to address these issues, the ATO is progressing a number of changes to improve the defence pathways for director penalties for victim-survivors and meaningfully address concerns about the timeframes for seeking remission or lodging a defence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work with regulators, industry stakeholders, legal experts and victim-survivor advocates as it progresses these reforms. Through this work, the Government is committed to ensuring that tax and corporate systems do not facilitate financial abuse, appropriately support victim-survivors, and hold perpetrators accountable for debts and liabilities arising from their abusive conduct.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 57</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government undertake a review of current legislative and regulatory settings relating to trusts, with a view to addressing the abuse and misuse of trusts as a mechanism for financial abuse and coercive control.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government support this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises concerns that trust structures may, in some circumstances, be misused to facilitate financial abuse, conceal assets, avoid financial obligations, or exert coercive control over victim-survivors. The Government acknowledges the evidence presented to the Committee regarding the complexity of trust arrangements and the challenges that these arrangements can create for victim-survivors seeking to understand, access or protect their financial interests.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government agrees that it is important to ensure that legislative and regulatory frameworks do not inadvertently enable financial abuse or provide opportunities for perpetrators to misuse legal structures to cause financial harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This recommendation aligns with the Government's broader commitment to prevent perpetrators from using tax and corporate systems to create debts as a form of coercive control and to make perpetrators accountable for the financial harm they cause. As part of this work, the Government is considering the impacts of a range of mechanisms through which tax and corporate systems may be misused to facilitate financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will consider the issues raised by the Committee in the context of its broader work on financial abuse, systems abuse and the operation of tax and corporate structures. This will include engagement with relevant government agencies, regulators, legal experts, industry stakeholders and victim-survivor advocates to better understand the role trust arrangements may play in facilitating financial abuse and whether further action is warranted.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes that trusts are governed by a complex interaction of Commonwealth, state and territory laws, including trust law, property law, succession law, family law and taxation law. Any consideration of reforms in this area would therefore require close cooperation with state and territory governments and careful consideration of the broader legal framework within which trusts operate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government remains committed to ensuring that legal, tax and corporate structures cannot be readily exploited as tools of financial abuse and coercive control, and that Commonwealth systems appropriately support victim-survivors and hold perpetrators accountable.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 58</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government amend the <inline font-style="italic">Social Security Act 1991</inline> to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1. remove the requirement that a person has to have left their home to qualify for crisis support payment;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2. lengthen the time in which a person has to apply for a crisis payment; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">3. ensure that a victim-survivor is not precluded from accessing a 'special circumstances' waiver if a perpetrator lies to Centrelink without the debtor's knowledge or consent, or the debtor makes a false statement or misrepresentation as a result of coercion or duress by a perpetrator.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports recommendations 58(1) and 58(2) in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports recommendation 58(3).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that the social security system appropriately supports victim-survivors of family and domestic violence and does not create unnecessary barriers to accessing assistance or relief. The Government is committed to improving the safety of Commonwealth systems and reducing opportunities for financial abuse and systems abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In relation to Recommendation 58(1), under section 1061JHA of the <inline font-style="italic">Social Security Act 1991</inline>, a person who has experienced family and domestic violence, and who remains in their home after the perpetrator has left or been removed from the home, may already qualify for Crisis Payment, subject to meeting the other eligibility criteria. The Government therefore considers that the intent of this recommendation is substantially reflected in the current legislative framework.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In relation to Recommendation 58(2), the Government acknowledges the intent of providing victim-survivors with greater flexibility to access Crisis Payment. The Government notes that Services Australia's service delivery arrangements already provide flexibility in appropriate circumstances, including where a person experiencing family and domestic violence requires additional time to submit a claim.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports Recommendation 58(3) in full. This change was implemented through the <inline font-style="italic">Social Security and Other Legislation Amendment (Technical Changes No. 2) Act 2025</inline>. The amendment ensures that victim-survivors are not precluded from accessing a special circumstances waiver where a perpetrator has provided false information to Services Australia without the person's knowledge or consent, or where a person has made a false statement or misrepresentation as a result of coercion or duress. The reform helps ensure that victim-survivors are not unfairly held responsible for debts arising from financial abuse and supports the Government's broader commitment to preventing perpetrators from exploiting Commonwealth systems to cause financial harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 59</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That the Australian Government establish a standing inter-departmental taskforce to oversee the implementation of safety-by-design principles into all government services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government supports this recommendation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of embedding safety by design principles across Commonwealth systems and services to reduce opportunities for perpetrators to misuse government systems to facilitate financial abuse, coercive control and other forms of family and domestic violence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is already taking action to apply safety by design principles to the reform and design of government systems as part of its broader work to address systems abuse. This work has been informed by the Commonwealth Systems Abuse Audit, which identified opportunities to strengthen safety and prevent the weaponisation of government processes and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government considers that strong cross-government coordination is critical to ensuring a consistent and effective approach to implementing safety by design across Commonwealth systems. Accordingly, this work, together with the Government's broader audit of Commonwealth systems, is being overseen by the Secretaries Working Group on Gender-Based Violence, a sub-committee of the Australian Public Service Secretaries Board. The Working Group includes representatives from a range of Commonwealth departments and service delivery agencies and provides a mechanism for coordinating and driving system-wide reform.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through this governance arrangement, the Government is progressing practical reforms to embed safety within government services, improve outcomes for victim-survivors, and prevent Commonwealth systems from being exploited as tools of financial abuse or coercive control. The Government will continue to work across portfolios to ensure safety by design principles are incorporated into the development, delivery and ongoing review of government services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 60</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That all relevant government agencies provide training to frontline staff on the identification of domestic and family violence, including financial abuse, and require mandatory reporting of suspected financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government support this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the important role that frontline staff can play in identifying indicators of family and domestic violence, including financial abuse, and connecting individuals with appropriate support and services. Building workforce capability is an important component of the Government's broader efforts to improve responses to financial abuse and ensure Commonwealth systems are safe, accessible and responsive to victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A number of Commonwealth agencies, including Services Australia, the ATO, the Department of Veterans' Affairs and the National Disability Insurance Agency, already provide training and guidance to support staff to recognise and respond appropriately to family and domestic violence. The nature and scope of this training varies across agencies to reflect the differing roles, responsibility and service delivery models. These programs are designed to support staff to identify vulnerability, engage appropriately with customers and provide referrals to relevant supports and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government also notes that agencies continue to strengthen their responses to financial abuse. For example, Services Australia is developing specific training to assist staff to identify and appropriately respond to circumstances involving financial abuse and coercive control.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to support agencies to strengthen staff capability and improve responses to family and domestic violence, including financial abuse, as part of its broader work to embed safety across Commonwealth systems and prevent systems abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 61</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That all relevant government entities providing frontline services establish dedicated teams with specialised training in domestic and family violence, including financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government support this recommendation in principle.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises the importance of ensuring that people experiencing family and domestic violence, including financial abuse, can access timely and appropriately tailored support when engaging with government services. Dedicated teams with specialised expertise can play an important role in identifying vulnerability, responding to complex circumstances and improving outcomes for victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A number of Commonwealth agencies already have dedicated frontline service teams with specialised expertise in family and domestic violence, including financial abuse. For example, Services Australia provides support through its social work service, which assists people affected by family and domestic violence through a national network of service centres, telephony services, online channels and outreach services, including mobile service centres.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The ATO also has specialist teams that provide support to people experiencing, or at risk of experiencing vulnerability, including family and domestic violence, including where abuse has affected a person's tax affairs or financial circumstances.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government acknowledges the value of specialist expertise in supporting victim-survivors and notes that agencies have different functions, service delivery responsibilities and operating models. Accordingly, the most appropriate approach to supporting people experiencing family and domestic violence may vary across agencies.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to work with Commonwealth agencies to strengthen capability, improve frontline responses and ensure service delivery arrangements appropriately support people experiencing family and domestic violence, including financial abuse, as part of its broader efforts to embed safety across government systems and services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Emerging issues and areas for ongoing consideration</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that the Committee's report made an important contribution to understanding the prevalence, impacts and drivers of financial abuse in Australia and provided a comprehensive framework for strengthening protections for victim-survivors. The Government also acknowledges that financial abuse is not static. As government systems, financial products and service delivery models evolve, new risks can emerge and existing forms of abuse can manifest in different ways. The Government therefore considers it important that efforts to address financial abuse extend beyond the specific recommendations contained in the report and remain responsive to emerging evidence, stakeholder engagement and lived experience.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Since the Committee tabled its report, the Government has continued to engage with victim-survivors, advocacy organisations, regulators, industry participants and the Parliament through its broader work on financial abuse, systems abuse and family and domestic violence. Through these engagements, several additional issues have been identified which, while not specifically addressed by the Committee's recommendations, raise similar concerns regarding the misuse of legal, financial and administrative systems to exercise control, undermine autonomy, create economic harm or exacerbate vulnerability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These issues highlight the broad range of settings in which financial abuse can occur and reinforce the importance of applying the principles underpinning this Government Response across a wider ecosystem of institutions and systems. Common themes include the potential misuse of positions of authority, information asymmetries, barriers to informed decision-making, inadequate recognition of vulnerability, and the need for systems and services to be designed and operated in ways that promote safety, dignity and economic security</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government considers the following matters to be areas warranting ongoing attention and engagement as part of the broader body of work focused on financial abuse, coercive control, systems abuse and economic wellbeing.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Public trustees, guardianship arrangements and financial autonomy</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises stakeholder concerns regarding the operation of public trustee and substitute decision-making arrangements, particularly in circumstances where individuals may have limited capacity to independently manage their financial affairs. Stakeholders have noted that public trustees can exercise significant authority over a person's financial and property interests, including decisions relating to investments, property transactions, contractual arrangements and other financial matters.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recent stakeholder advocacy has highlighted concerns regarding the adequacy of safeguards that apply to public trustee arrangements and whether existing mechanisms consistently support the rights, preferences and autonomy of individuals whose affairs are managed by a trustee or guardian. Concerns raised by stakeholders include the impact of trustee fees and charges on long-term financial wellbeing, questions regarding consultation and participation in decision-making, and the broader management of financial affairs on behalf of vulnerable individuals</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government notes that these concerns have also been raised in the context of Commonwealth legislation. In June 2026, Senator Lidia Thorpe proposed amendments to the Treasury Laws Amendment (Delivering an Efficient and Trusted Tax System) Bill 2026 which would have inserted new duties applying to trustees and directors of self-managed superannuation funds acting on behalf of members under a legal disability or pursuant to an enduring power of attorney. The proposed amendment sought to require decision-makers to act in accordance with a set of principles, including respecting the rights, will and preferences of the member, avoiding conflicts of interest and undue influence, acting proportionately to the person's circumstances, and being subject to complaints and review mechanisms. The amendment was intended, in part, to reflect principles contained in Article 12 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government acknowledges that the proposal reflects broader stakeholder concerns regarding the exercise of financial decision-making powers on behalf of people experiencing vulnerability, including where public trustees, attorneys or other substitute decision-makers are involved. While responsibility for guardianship, administration and public trustee frameworks primarily rests with state and territory governments, the issues raised through this proposal are relevant to the Government's broader consideration of financial abuse, economic exploitation, supported decision-making and the safeguards that apply where one person is authorised to make financial decisions on behalf of another.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government also acknowledges stakeholder views regarding the particular experiences of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who may be subject to public trustee arrangements, including calls for approaches that emphasise informed consent, participation and self-determination.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to engage with stakeholders, including people with lived experience, disability advocates, First Nations organisations and relevant jurisdictions, to better understand whether additional safeguards, oversight mechanisms or legislative responses are required to ensure that financial management arrangements appropriately protect individual rights, autonomy and financial security while reducing opportunities for abuse, exploitation or undue influence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Financial abuse within corporate, insolvency and external administration systems</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government also notes emerging stakeholder concerns regarding the intersection between financial abuse and Australia's corporate, insolvency and external administration frameworks. Evidence gathered through broader engagement on financial abuse has highlighted that corporate structures, business arrangements and insolvency processes may, in some circumstances, be used to facilitate or perpetuate coercive control and financial harm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that insolvency practitioners, corporate regulators and other participants in the corporate system may encounter circumstances involving family and domestic violence, financial abuse and coerced participation in corporate activities. These issues may arise in the context of company management, business ownership arrangements, corporate liabilities, insolvency proceedings or the misuse of legal and regulatory processes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Stakeholder engagement has highlighted the importance of ensuring that professionals operating within the corporate and insolvency system are equipped to identify indicators of financial abuse and understand the ways in which perpetrators may utilise business and corporate structures to cause economic harm. The Government notes that ASIC has encouraged liquidators to be mindful of the signs of family and domestic violence issues within the insolvency profession and continues to engage in broader policy discussions relating to coerced directorships and financial abuse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These issues complement the Government's existing work to address coerced directorships and the misuse of tax and corporate systems to create debts and liabilities as a form of coercive control. They also reinforce a broader lesson emerging from the Committee's inquiry: that financial abuse can occur through systems that were not originally designed with family and domestic violence considerations in mind.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to engage with regulators, insolvency practitioners, industry bodies and victim-survivor advocates to better understand how corporate and insolvency frameworks interact with financial abuse and whether further opportunities exist to strengthen safeguards and improve responses within these systems.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insurance responses to trauma associated with domestic, family and sexual violence</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government further notes concerns raised by victim-survivor advocates regarding the treatment of trauma arising from domestic, family and sexual violence within insurance and superannuation insurance settings. Stakeholders have argued that existing underwriting, risk assessment and claims management practices may not always appropriately recognise the unique circumstances of victim-survivors who experience psychological injury or trauma as a consequence of violence perpetrated against them.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In particular, stakeholders have raised concerns that trauma-related mental health conditions arising from domestic, family and sexual violence may, in some cases, be considered as pre-existing conditions for the purposes of insurance coverage decisions. Stakeholders contend that such approaches can affect access to insurance products or entitlements and may create additional barriers for victim-survivors seeking financial security and recovery following experiences of violence. These concerns have been raised across a range of insurance settings, including income protection, total and permanent disability insurance and workers' compensation arrangements.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that victim-survivors should not be placed in a position where seeking support or treatment for trauma creates concerns regarding future access to insurance products or services. The Government also acknowledges stakeholder concerns that insurance settings which are perceived as punitive or discriminatory may discourage disclosure, treatment-seeking or engagement with support services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Stakeholders have proposed a range of responses, including greater adoption of trauma-informed approaches, enhanced workforce training, consideration of anti-discrimination principles and closer collaboration between insurers and victim-survivor advocacy organisations. Industry participants and advocacy organisations have also commenced broader discussions regarding how insurance products, underwriting frameworks and claims processes can better reflect the realities of trauma and recovery.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These issues are closely aligned with the Committee's recommendations concerning the role of the insurance sector in preventing and responding to financial abuse. They also reinforce the importance of ensuring that financial products and services support, rather than undermine, the recovery, independence and long-term economic security of victim-survivors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Continuing engagement and future reform</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Committee's report has reinforced the importance of addressing financial abuse as a whole-of-system issue. The recommendations contained in this report, together with the emerging issues identified since the report was tabled, demonstrate that financial abuse can occur across a broad range of financial, legal and administrative settings and is often interconnected with family and domestic violence, elder abuse, disability-related exploitation, systems abuse and other forms of coercive control.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government's response to the Committee's recommendations forms part of a broader program of work to strengthen protections against financial abuse, embed safety by design across government systems and services, and improve outcomes for victim-survivors. This work includes implementing the Government's commitments arising from the Commonwealth Systems Abuse Audit, progressing reforms to prevent the misuse of tax and corporate systems as tools of coercive control, strengthening responses to financial abuse within child support and taxation systems, and advancing the objectives of the National Plan to End Violence Against Women and Children 2022-2032 and <inline font-style="italic">Working for Women: A National Strategy for Gender Equality</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that the issues examined by the Committee do not exist in isolation. Emerging concerns relating to public trustee arrangements, substitute decision-making frameworks, corporate and insolvency processes, and insurance practices highlight that many of the same underlying risks identified by the Committee including misuse of authority, barriers to financial autonomy, inadequate safeguards for vulnerable individuals and opportunities for systems to be weaponised can arise across a range of settings.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Accordingly, the Government will continue to consider these issues alongside implementation of the Committee's recommendations and broader reforms to address financial abuse and systems abuse. The Government will work across portfolios, regulators and sectors to identify common themes, share lessons from reform initiatives and ensure that responses remain informed by emerging evidence, stakeholder perspectives and lived experience.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government recognises that preventing financial abuse requires more than reforming individual programs or institutions. It requires ongoing efforts to ensure that financial, legal and administrative systems are designed and operated in ways that support safety, autonomy, informed decision-making and economic security. The Government will continue to engage with victim-survivors, advocacy organisations, industry, regulators, academics, state and territory governments and other stakeholders to identify opportunities to strengthen protections, improve accountability and reduce opportunities for exploitation across systems.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through implementation of this response, and through its broader work to prevent family and domestic violence and systems abuse, the Government will continue to pursue a coordinated and evidence-based approach that recognises the interconnected nature of these issues and supports the safety, dignity, autonomy and financial wellbeing of all Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">[1]</inline> Australian Bureau of Statistics, <inline font-style="italic">Partner violence</inline>, released 22 November 2023.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">[2]</inline> Australian Retail Credit Association, 2026, available at: www.arca.asn.au.</para></quote>
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    <time.stamp>19:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'NEILL</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
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  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the document.</para></quote>
<para>Mindful of the time, I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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    <name role="metadata">Senator WALSH</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
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  <para>I table documents relating to an order for the production of documents concerning the five per cent deposit scheme.</para>
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  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>140</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WALSH</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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  <subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>140</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WALSH</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows&#x2014;</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">CUSTOMS AND OTHER LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (ILLICIT TOBACCO ENFORCEMENT MODERNISATION AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2026</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Customs and Other Legislation Amendment (Illicit Tobacco Enforcement Modernisation and Other Measures) Bill is the next step in the Government's ongoing crackdown on the criminals behind the illicit tobacco and vapes trade.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This legislation delivers the most comprehensive modernisation of Australia's illicit tobacco customs enforcement framework since 2018, ensuring laws designed for a different illicit tobacco market keep pace with increasingly sophisticated criminal enterprises.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Illicit tobacco is not a victimless crime. It undermines public health objectives, harms legitimate businesses, deprives governments of revenue and provides a significant source of profit for organised criminal groups.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Illicit tobacco is being fuelled by two things: a massive surplus of cheap global production, which has been weaponised by transnational serious organised criminals.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Think of these syndicates as akin to multinational businesses. They're sophisticated, big players. They're commodity agnostic&#x2014;they just want to make money.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">They don't care whether it's meth, tobacco, Gucci handbags, wildlife or human trafficking. They just want to make money.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And they're flooding national borders around the world with dirt cheap tobacco that can be produced for less than a dollar a packet, targeting countries regardless of their public health or excise policies.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As we go after these crooks, it's important to remember that despite everything they are chucking at our country, trying to get our kids hooked on nicotine and vapes, the gold-standard data released last month by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare shows that smoking rates in our country have continued to fall.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Fewer Australians are smoking than ever, and vaping rates have stabilised. Smoking has reached record lows, now down to 5.8% amongst adults.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Holding onto these hard-won gains remains our most important public health challenge, as smoking remains the leading cause of preventable disease in Australia and still represents 20 per cent of our nation's cancer burden. 66 Australians die every day of a smoking-related illness. And, two in three long-term smokers will die of a smoking-related illness.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill follows the passage last sitting week of the Combatting Illicit Tobacco Bill which raised penalties, opened up new law enforcement techniques and updated proceeds of crime laws.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill builds on that work, further raising the stakes for the criminals.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For too long, organised crime has seen tobacco as 'high profit low risk'. This Bill will help to reverse that equation, making it easier to disrupt this trade, prosecute criminals who import, convey or possess illicit tobacco and take their profits and gains.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">There are two overarching elements to these reforms.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Firstly, this Bill will modernise Australia's illicit tobacco enforcement framework to increase deterrence, strengthen supply chain integrity and support more effective enforcement action, while having minimal regulatory impact on legitimate businesses.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A central reform is the creation of new offences for importing, possessing and conveying illicit tobacco.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Current tobacco offences often require prosecutors to prove that tobacco has been imported by a person <inline font-style="italic">with intent to defraud the revenue</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The prosecution must demonstrate that the person <inline font-style="italic">was aware</inline> that tobacco is subject to a duty collection framework and that duty must be paid <inline font-style="italic">on importation</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As a result, these offences are routinely frustrated because criminals have adapted by distancing themselves from the border and the importation process, where direct evidence of intent or knowledge is rarely available.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These offences were designed for another era with low level criminals trying to defraud a bit of revenue.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Today, the scale, complexity and sophistication of organised crime groups demands a new approach to going after the criminals&#x2014;anyone involved&#x2014;in the illicit tobacco trade.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The new offence framework focuses on the unlawful conduct itself and better reflects the realities of modern illicit tobacco offending.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It will make it easier to hold those involved in illicit tobacco operations accountable, and improve the ability of law enforcement agencies to pursue serious offenders.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">To explain, the new law contains a list of "observable indicators" of illicit activity. If any one of these indicators is established, then that is taken to satisfy the reasonable suspicion test of the criminal offence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The reasonable suspicion under these new laws is an objective test&#x2014;it does not depend on what an officer or anyone suspects. This allows enforcement agencies to focus on observable facts rather than trying to prove every detail of a concealed illicit supply chain.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Examples of the new objective circumstances include:</para></quote>
<list>Non-compliant retail packaging, or</list>
<list>Non-compliant tobacco products (e.g. menthol cigarettes), or</list>
<list>Concealing tobacco to avoid detection, or, my personal favourite:</list>
<list>If the tobacco sales price is below the excise and GST combined&#x2014;that fact alone establishes the reasonable suspicion that it was unlawfully imported.</list>
<quote><para class="block">This will be a powerful tool for the Australian Border Force and all State and Territory Police forces to go after serious and organised crime.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Indeed anyone involved in the illegal tobacco and vape trade is on notice.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">If the ABF or state/territory law enforcement agencies enter a retail premises and establish any of those facts, then action can be taken.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The focus will be on using the new offences to go after serious criminals. But to be clear, it will also now be easier for law enforcement to target those operating retail businesses that possess illicit tobacco.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Companies and corporations may also be targeted because offences apply generally to a "person", and under Commonwealth law a person includes a corporation <inline font-style="italic">(section 2C of the Acts Interpretation Act 1901).</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This means a tobacconist company, warehouse company or distributor company may be investigated and prosecuted.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">ANYONE involved in the illegal tobacco and vapes trade&#x2014;whether high up in the crime groups, mid-level operatives, distributors or those running and working in the shops&#x2014;would be wise to get a new job and do so quickly.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">At the same time, the Bill introduces stronger consequences for the most serious forms of offending, ensuring that organised criminals engaging in conduct at the most serious end of the spectrum receive sentences that appropriately reflect the gravity of their offending.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Together, these reforms make the consequences real and the deterrent credible.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill also helps reinforce the seriousness with which Australia treats prohibited tobacco imports. Criminal groups should not be able to avoid meaningful consequences simply because enforcement is focussed on the complex question of duty evasion, rather than the more clear-cut, common-sense questions of unlawful importation and possession.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These reforms will support the more consistent treatment of illicit tobacco alongside other high risk prohibited goods and enable enforcement responses that better reflect the harms associated with this trade.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill also closes an important legislative loophole affecting tobacco upon which customs duty has been paid and for which a refund of that duty is available under the Customs Acts.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This is defined in the Bill as duty-refundable tobacco. Duty-refundable tobacco is tobacco supplied to duty-free operators for export or for sale to eligible travellers within their duty-free concession.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">However, under the current framework, this tobacco is not subject to customs control. This creates opportunities for diversion into the black market at duty-free prices.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill restores customs control over duty-refundable tobacco until it is exported or sold to an eligible traveller. This will reduce opportunities for diversion and ensure appropriate oversight of these products throughout the supply chain.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For legitimate duty-free operators, these reforms largely formalise existing expectations and practices and little will change. This Bill is aimed at closing a regulatory gap and strengthening accountability, not imposing unnecessary new burdens on businesses that already handle these products responsibly.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill also streamlines the seizure and disposal of illicit tobacco. The volume of illicit tobacco being detected by the Australian Border Force has increased significantly in recent years, yet seizure processes remain heavily administrative and resource-intensive.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Officers can spend hours documenting and processing individual seizure notices. This valuable operational time could instead be devoted to stopping illicit drugs, weapons and other dangerous goods from entering Australia.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These reforms will enable faster and more efficient seizure and disposal processes. The Bill will also ensure that tobacco imported in breach of importation permit conditions can be dealt with as swiftly and decisively as tobacco imported without a permit. It will also prevent criminal actors from exploiting existing claim and notification processes to delay enforcement action and frustrate the disposal of illicit tobacco.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Finally, the Bill strengthens integrity across the customs supply chain. Illicit tobacco operations often rely upon facilitators who provide access to storage facilities, freight networks, depots and other supply chain infrastructure while maintaining an appearance of legitimacy. Existing administrative arrangements do not always provide sufficiently strong or consistent tools to address this behaviour.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill introduces additional licensing conditions for customs brokers, depots and warehouses&#x2014;critical intermediaries and actors in the supply and logistics chain.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This will require licence holders to refrain from conduct that facilitates, assists or enables the importation of prohibited tobacco products, conduct that is inconsistent with another condition of the licence or that contravenes a law of the Commonwealth; and for the licence holder to take all reasonable steps to prevent such conduct occurring within their operations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill will also uplift existing tobacco-related licensing obligations for licence holders into the statute. It also renames and expands the remit of the National Customs Broker Licensing Advisory Committee to include applications for depot and warehouse licences.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This will create a more consistent, robust approach to oversight, licensing integrity and compliance across the customs supply chain, enhancing integrity and ensuring that legitimate operators are not disadvantaged by those who choose to facilitate illicit tobacco activity.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Taken together, these reforms strengthen offences, tighten controls over the tobacco supply chain, elevate the seriousness with which prohibited tobacco activity is treated, improve enforcement outcomes, and increase accountability across critical points of the importation process.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Second, the Bill strengthens Australia's proceeds of crime framework to ensure that criminal groups cannot retain the financial benefits generated from unlawful activity.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Prosecutions should be pursued where they can be. Tobacco should be seized and destroyed when it is found. But these alone are not enough.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Organised crime is ultimately driven by profit. What we know really hurts these criminal syndicates is to take their cash, their cars, their houses, their boats and their toys.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">To achieve a lasting deterrent effect, law enforcement agencies must also be able to recover the profits and wealth generated by criminal activity.&#xA0;&#xA0;&#xA0;.So this Bill strengthens the ability of agencies to strip criminals of the profits they are making from their illegal activities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Pecuniary penalty orders are a key tool in achieving that outcome. They require offenders to repay the financial benefits derived from criminal activity, helping to ensure that crime does not pay.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill strengthens the pecuniary penalty order framework by clarifying how these benefits are calculated, ensuring that penalty amounts are reduced only in appropriate circumstances, and enabling restrained property to be used more effectively to satisfy court-ordered penalties.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These reforms will reduce legal uncertainty, improve the efficiency of confiscation proceedings and help ensure that the financial gains derived from criminal conduct are recovered more effectively.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill also updates the production order framework, which is an important mechanism used by law enforcement agencies to obtain information relevant to proceeds of crime investigations. The reforms clarify the operation of existing powers, strengthen offences for interference with production order processes and improve the ability of authorities to obtain production orders across jurisdictions.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This will make investigations more efficient and ensure that law enforcement agencies can continue to access information needed to pursue criminal assets.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Finally, the Bill strengthens Australia's unexplained wealth framework by clarifying the methodology used to calculate a person's total wealth. These amendments will improve the operation of the framework and support a more realistic assessment of a person's 'total wealth', while ensuring it captures property owned or controlled by a person at any time.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Together, these proceeds of crime reforms will better equip law enforcement agencies to identify, restrain and recover the financial rewards that make organised criminal activity attractive in the first place.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Conclusion</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill comes at a time when the illicit tobacco trade plied by organised criminal syndicates continues to grow in sophistication. These reforms are practical and targeted and focus on the problematic elements of the sector. They modernise Australia's illicit tobacco enforcement framework, strengthen supply chain integrity, improve operational effectiveness and ensure that organised criminal groups face stronger consequences for their conduct.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Just as importantly, they strengthen our ability to pursue the proceeds, instruments and benefits generated by criminal activity and deny organised crime the financial rewards that drive this trade.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As a whole, this Bill helps to protect Australia's borders, support legitimate businesses, strengthen public confidence in the integrity of our regulatory systems and ensure that nefarious criminal groups cannot exploit weaknesses in our legislative frameworks.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These reforms form an important part of the nation's overarching approach to combatting illicit tobacco.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Action is being ramped up pre-border, at-border and post-border.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The best container of illegal tobacco is one that never reaches our shores or passes the border, the Australian Border Force is achieving record levels of disruption offshore and seizures at the border.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The most urgent area for action is post-border.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Above all else Australians need the States and Territories to shut the sleazy illegal shops&#x2014;indeed any retail outlet&#x2014;flogging illegal tobacco.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australians would not put up with a meth lab in the middle of their local strip shops, and neither should they put up with these crooks trying to get their kids hooked on nicotine.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I acknowledge the nation leading work of Queensland and South Australia to disrupt the illegal tobacco and vapes trade.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government is working with and supporting <inline font-style="italic">all</inline> jurisdictions to overhaul their laws, scale up enforcement and shut the shops.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Frankly, the big states have been too slow to act, but I acknowledge action is now happening which is welcome. Victoria's new laws took effect this week and as of this week they are closing illegal shops.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These laws will make it easier for all jurisdictions to go after any business involved in this trade, including servos, barbers, clothing stores, restaurants and all manner of outlets.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It is a disgrace that the Coalition has decided to get into bed with One Nation, Big Tobacco and criminal syndicates to create insane policies to let vapes rip and make money from taxing them as that market grows. This will drive up smoking and kill untold numbers of Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Nevertheless, I urge all members of this House, and the other place, to support the swift passage of this Bill so our law enforcement officials have the powers they need and have asked for, to go after the crooks at pace.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I commend the Bill to the House.</para></quote>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WALSH</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>ADJOURNMENT</title>
        <page.no>144</page.no>
        <type>ADJOURNMENT</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>One Nation</title>
          <page.no>144</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator POLLEY</name>
    <name.id>e5x</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>One Nation likes to present itself as a voice of working Australians, but, when Australians examine its record, its priorities and the company it keeps, it is a very different picture that emerges. Behind the slogan is a party that repeatedly stands against measures that make life more secure for workers and families. One Nation is antiworker because it treats workplace rights as a burden rather than protection. Its representation and its representatives have signalled a willingness to cut employee entitlements in the name of helping business. That is just like those opposite: that familiar conservative formula. When the economy is under pressure, ask the people on ordinary wages to surrender their conditions while those with the greatest wealth and power give up nothing.</para>
<para>One Nation is also against practical help with household budgets. At a time when families are carefully counting every dollar at the supermarket, at the fuel pump and when paying their electricity bills, Australia needs responsible relief. They need cheaper medicines, affordable child care, lower taxes, stronger wages, properly funded public services and affordable housing, yet One Nation's politics depend on anger, not answers; and slogans, not solutions. They benefit from the cost-of-living pressures politically while opposing the Albanese Labor government's reforms that reduce it. They say one thing out in the community, but, when it comes to this chamber, they vote very differently. This is all on the public record.</para>
<para>Consider paid parental leave. Australia's scheme now provides 26 weeks of government funded leave and superannuation is now paid on that leave. These reforms recognise that caring for a newborn is work and that parents should not be forced to choose between a paycheque and time with their child. Women should not be penalised in retirement for raising a family. There are some on that side of the chamber that want to encourage Australian women to have more babies, and yet they are saddling up with One Nation, who are opposed to it. One Nation has a history of opposing expansion of this scheme and, as recently as this year, raised the prospect of winding it back before attempting to clarify its position because of the backlash. Working families deserve certainty, not confusion over whether an essential entitlement is safe.</para>
<para>Then there are the tax cuts. Labor's tax reforms deliver real relief to every taxpayer, with the greatest benefit directed towards low- and middle-income earners. That means more money in the pockets of shop assistants, nurses, teachers, construction workers, childcare educators and carers within the care community like aged care and disability. One Nation cannot credibly claim to stand for ordinary Australians while opposing broad personal income tax relief and backing political priorities that favour those already at the top.</para>
<para>The same contradiction is evident on Medicare. Australians need a health system strengthened through more bulk-billing, more urgent care clinics, cheaper medicines and better access to doctors. Improving Medicare means a pensioner can seek treatment without fearing the bill, a parent can take a sick child to a clinic, and a worker can receive care before a minor problem becomes a crisis. Undermining investment in Medicare does not punish governments. It punishes patients. Labor's DNA is about providing for workers, it's about supporting families, and it's about delivering Medicare, investing in GPs and giving Australians access to health care when they need it, unlike the new coalition between One Nation, the Nationals and the Liberals, who have a record of voting against these things. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
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          <title>Prime Minister</title>
          <page.no>145</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GATENBY</name>
    <name.id>324140</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I recently read that the Prime Minister told a room full of business leaders that Australia's international reputation depends on having a government that 'says what it's going to do'. I nearly fell off my chair! With this Prime Minister there are two kinds of commitments: the ones he breaks and the ones he hopes you've forgotten.</para>
<para>Remember the stage 3 tax cuts? Before the election, he was asked whether they were absolutely locked in. 'Yes', he said. Could he envisage circumstances in which he would roll them back? 'No', and 'my word is my bond'. Then he changed them. Apparently, when the Prime Minister says 'locked in', he means 'locked in until the next opinion poll'. Then there was superannuation. Before the election, no changes would be made to superannuation. After the election, there were higher taxes on large superannuation balances. Apparently a promise remains intact provided you change the definition of the promise.</para>
<para>Who could forget the famous $275 reduction in household power bills by 2025? It was not $270. It was not approximately $300. It was $275. In fact, he was so confident in the modelling that he mockingly declared, 'I don't think; I know.' Then he ran a mile from it. Tasmanian families are still looking for that $275. Perhaps it's hiding behind the electricity meter.</para>
<para>At his 2022 campaign launch, he promised Australians cheaper mortgages. The Reserve Bank's cash rate is now 4.6 per cent&#x2014;a 15-year high. For households juggling mortgage repayments, groceries and insurance, that promise has aged about as well as milk left in a hot car. Perhaps the most extraordinary example is housing. Before the last election, Albanese was asked whether he would rule out changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax. His response: 'Yes. How hard is it? For the 50th time'. Not once; not twice&#x2014;apparently 50 times.</para>
<para>Then came the 2026 budget, and suddenly negative gearing was being restricted and the capital gains tax discount being replaced for most future gains. When confronted on the ABC's <inline font-style="italic">7</inline><inline font-style="italic">.</inline><inline font-style="italic">30</inline>, what did the Prime Minister say? 'We've changed our position.' At last, Deputy President, an admission we can slightly believe. Apparently the Prime Minister has a new definition for an election promise: something you repeat 50 times before the election and abandon once the votes are counted.</para>
<para>What happened to Labor's target of 1.2 million new homes by 2029? Its own independent housing council now forecasts the targets won't be reached any time soon. That is not a housing plan on time; that is an extension request. Then there is integrity, including in more recent times. Remember the promise to restore trust and accountability? This month, a leading constitutional scholar raised serious concerns about a $6 million golf club grant in the Prime Minister's electorate awarded through a non-competitive grant. Apparently transparency is a wonderful thing provided that nobody asks to see through it.</para>
<para>Speaking of small businesses, Labor celebrated the credit card surcharge ban as a saving for customers, but, when the tax office faced those same processing costs, what did they do? The government announced it would stop accepting credit cards. After the backlash, the government scrambled to delay the decision. They should reverse it. Apparently, there's one rule for your local cafe and another for Canberra. Labor should be backing small business, not breaking it, including through tax and trusts.</para>
<para>Australians don't expect perfection. They understand that circumstances change, but they do expect the Prime Minister to admit when his word changes with it. The Prime Minister says a government should say what it's going to do. I agree, but it should also do what it said. When a prime minister keeps breaking his promises, Australians eventually stop believing anything he says, and that, Deputy President, is Anthony Albanese's problem.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Gatenby. I'm the President. You've referred to me a couple of times as a deputy president.</para>
</interjection>
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          <title>Domestic and Family Violence</title>
          <page.no>145</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LIDDLE</name>
    <name.id>300644</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak about that devastating story that's coming out of Western Australia. We've all been watching it over nearly seven weeks now. It's the story of a grandmother, Dorothy Papertalk, whose children were killed by their mother back in 2022.</para>
<para>Imagine that for a moment. Imagine how devastating that is. But this story is not just about Dorothy Papertalk and her grandchildren. This story is all about a failure of governments to understand the urgency to respond. The most powerful people in this country, who have the privilege of political power to do the right thing&#x2014;how disgusting it has been to read the newspaper and see the Cook government is not prepared to find a way to get an inquest to identify what failed and who failed to prevent the tragic deaths of those children. Those children had their whole lives in front of them. They should never have spent another day with their mother, when their grandmother was asking, begging, pleading, making formal requests to people to have someone help her. That's what we need to be looking into. We know how they died. I won't go into explaining that again because it is disgusting, tragic. But it was also preventable. I say that in here because the people with the power to intervene&#x2014;with the legislation and the systems to intervene&#x2014;clearly failed this family. And this is not the only family. There are some 50,000 children in this country in the so-called child protection system.</para>
<para>This government in here, the federal government, has put a lot of money behind the national plan to address domestic, family and sexual violence. In fact, there's a separate Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander plan&#x2014;that we waited three years for&#x2014;to identify how to address the significant, disproportionate number of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people coming into contact with the child protection system. Jamelia, 10, Arnda, seven, and Kelvin, four months, never really had a chance because the system and someone did not respond to give them that chance.</para>
<para>Do you know what was even worse? People look at this as a technical issue. They find a technical issue not to respond to what is painfully obvious. If I walked into any supermarket, any cafe, any pub, people would say, 'This is just not right; we have to find a way.' The Prime Minister, when he was overseas on one of his trips, turned it into a technical issue: 'It's a state matter.' Well, I call bollocks. This is one country, one people, and those children deserved protection. When their mother could not care for them, the state should have intervened. No hiding behind a principle that's created to keep Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people with their families&#x2014;somebody should have intervened.</para>
<para>Why am I passionate about this? It shouldn't take someone like me who's actually lost a family member&#x2014;murdered by someone&#x2014;when the system could have and should have helped by intervening. It doesn't take that. It shouldn't take that. It must not take that. It is the responsibility of every one of us&#x2014;every one of us in the services on the front line and every one of us in the state government, territory government, federal government. This is not somebody else's responsibility. Actually giving an inquest so we can prevent more harm and prevent more deaths&#x2014;young people being the best they can be and living their best lives is our responsibility. It is no-one else's. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<para>Senate adjourned at 19:44</para>
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