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    <date>2021-12-02</date>
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            <a href="Chamber" type="">Thursday, 2 December 2021</a>
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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">The PRESIDENT (Senator </span>
            <span style="font-weight:bold;">the Hon. Slade Brockman)</span> took the chair at 09:30, read prayers and made an acknowledgement of country.</span>
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        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>7057</page.no>
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          <title>Tabling</title>
          <page.no>7057</page.no>
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        <title>STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT</title>
        <page.no>7057</page.no>
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          <title>Morrison, Ms Adrienne</title>
          <page.no>7057</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
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  <para>As some of you may be aware, today marks the last occasion on which Senate attendant Adrienne Morrison will assist us in the chamber. Adrienne joined the Senate department as a Senate attendant on 4 October 2006, initially engaged to support the 41st Parliament.</para>
<para>Honourable senators: Come out, Adrienne!</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
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  <para>Come out, Adrienne! Adrienne has continued with the chamber team, providing support to senators for 15 years. Since 2006, Adrienne has served six presidents, three clerks and five Ushers of the Black Rod. Adrienne has also been present for four openings of the parliament and the swearing in of three governors-general. All of us have firsthand experience of Adrienne's professionalism, dedication to her work and provision of service to the highest standard. I am sure that all senators will join me in thanking Adrienne for her exceptional service to the Senate and wishing her a long and leisurely retirement. Thank you very much, Adrienne.</para>
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        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>7057</page.no>
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          <title>National Health Amendment (Enhancing the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7057</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">National Health Amendment (Enhancing the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) Bill 2021</span>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7057</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
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  <para>Labor will be supporting the National Health Amendment (Enhancing the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) Bill 2021. This bill flows from the conclusion of the latest round of strategic agreements between the Commonwealth; the pharmaceutical industry, represented by Medicines Australia, which represents the innovative part of the industry; and the Generic Biosimilar Medicines Association, GBMA, which represents the generics and biosimilars part of the industry. This is a process that has been underway now for some time. It started largely in response to the projections contained in the first Intergenerational report, which was published by then Treasurer Peter Costello in 2002. It projected that PBS costs would climb quite dramatically over the 40-year period that each of the IGRs contemplates.</para>
<para>The process that has been undertaken through governments of both political persuasions, including the Rudd and Gillard governments, to come to an agreement that balances the viability of this critically important sector to bring medicines that are often developed overseas to Australian patients and to ensure that Australian patients have a ready, dependable and affordable supply of the best medicines in the world is, on the one hand, a key objective. On the other hand, the fiscal sustainability has been essentially a balance to be achieved through a series of strategic agreements. This is the latest one and it follows a lengthy negotiation between the Commonwealth and the industry. The agreement contains a number of other very important measures that are not reflected in this bill because they will largely be measures implemented through executive government and industry.</para>
<para>We take the view that agreements concluded in good faith between the Commonwealth government and industry, as in this case, must be respected by an incoming government. If we're lucky enough to be an incoming government next year, our approach to the conclusion of this agreement, which we've indicated publicly we support, extends to our support for this bill.</para>
<para>This bill covers two important measures contained in the strategic agreements. The first is to amend the price reduction system that has been a feature of the strategic agreements going back to the first decade of the century, to ensure that some of the anomalies are fixed in favour of taxpayers in the budget, particularly through catch-up steps through price reductions. Secondly, the agreements in this bill also put in place measures to deal with the insecurity of supply of a range of medicines that had already started to become an issue in Australia, and has been greatly exacerbated by the supply chain shock that we've seen through COVID. I'll deal with that measure first.</para>
<para>At the moment, there are 263 medicines that are listed by the TGA that are experiencing shortages in Australia, with a further 54 medicines that have anticipated shortages, so well over 300 therapeutically listed medicines in Australia do not have secure supply. I'm sure all senators have been receiving substantial feedback from patients, constituents and pharmacies about the difficulty they've been having—some of that was already happening before COVID—accessing supplies of very standard, important medicines: medicines for cardiovascular disease, diabetes, epilepsy, high cholesterol, pain management, particularly for severe pain, as well as a range of medicines for mental health conditions, including depression, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. These are obviously very important issues for the delivery of good health care to the Australian community.</para>
<para>This agreement contains a number of measures to essentially put in place an obligation on industry to guarantee security of supply of a range of medicines, particularly those that are at risk of supply shortage—a security of supply of four to six months stockholding. This is a measure that we support. We think it's a proportionate, measured response to the shortages we've seen, particularly over the last two years but some of which, as I said, predated COVID. It's a measure we welcome.</para>
<para>Regarding return for the obligations that industry has taken on through the signing of the agreement, I make the point, firstly, that this is largely a supply guarantee that will fall on genericised medicines, because they are the medicines that are usually subject to insecurity of supply. In return for that guarantee, the government has agreed to a modest price support for these medicines. This itself, frankly, should ensure a greater willingness on the part of the global industry to ensure that the Australian market is properly supplied. That is the first technical measure contemplated by this bill and a measure which we support.</para>
<para>The bill also implements a number of important measures designed to deliver price reductions for medicines. These new measures include catch-up price provisions that deliver price reductions for medicines that have thus far avoided price reductions commensurate with what we would expect in the functioning of a competitive market. It is through these catch-up price reductions that the bill delivers around $1.9 billion in savings to the PBS, which will be reinvested in the PBS through new listings. The full schedule of statutory price reductions is very large and complex and doesn't need detailing in this speech, but it's worth the chamber noting some of the more prominent of these details. These reductions will ensure that, on the fifth and 10th anniversary of a drug being listed on the PBS, the drug will see a five per cent reduction on each of the two anniversaries. This price reduction increases to over 26 per cent on the 15th year of a listing. In 2027, towards the end of the agreement, this 26 per cent reduction for the 15th anniversary will increase to 30 per cent price reduction, a very substantial saving to taxpayers, which again will be reinvested in new listings on the PBS.</para>
<para>The bill maintains the first new brand price reduction of 25 per cent, which applies with a first new brand, which will usually be a generic. Again, that is a substantial saving. The five-, 10- and 15-year anniversary statutory price reductions only apply if a drug has no competitors listed on the PBS and, as a result, has not been subject to a first new brand price reduction. Some drugs that have been listed on the PBS for over 15 years have not been subject to price disclosure reductions that are designed to ensure the PBS can adjust and see those decreasing costs over time. These drugs will now be subject to catch-up price reductions equal to the cumulative statutory reductions that would have applied over the period of their listing. That means that, for a drug listed for 15 years that so far has not seen any price reductions, we will see a price reduction of almost 37 per cent by 1 April 2023. It should be noted that the 25 per cent first new brand price reduction will not apply if the 15-year anniversary price reduction has been applied.</para>
<para>Again, we welcome the agreement between industry and the government on these catch-up price reductions. We think they're a proportionate, measured response to the circumstances surrounding some of the drugs that have not been subject to price disclosure reductions over 15 years. They seek to balance that need around access to new medicines for Australian patients with the sustainability of the PBS budget elements of the budget.</para>
<para>The intent of the bill, which we support, is to give effect to a broad objective in ensuring the sustainability of the PBS while safeguarding medicine supply for the Australian population. It includes making sure that the statutory price reductions do not have an unintended consequence that results in the withdrawal of supply of important medicines from the Australian market. We have a strong view, and I imagine the government shares it, that statutory price reductions should not be allowed to undermine medicine supply.</para>
<para>As a result of this shared objective, we note the important role that ministerial discretion has in determining how price reductions are applied in order to ensure that supply of medicines is maintained along with the financial viability of medicine suppliers. We know that the government shares that view and, to that effect, we understand that it has committed to bringing forward an update of the ministerial discretion guidance material and to engage companies that are potentially affected in that process of an update.</para>
<para>This is an important agreement that has been struck between the government and the pharmaceutical industry. It follows a series of agreements that have been struck for some years and it's clear that predictions contained in the 2002 IGR around increases in the PBS budget have not come to pass. We're only halfway through the 40 years that the then Treasurer Costello was looking at at that time, and Labor will be supporting the bill.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on the National Health Amendment (Enhancing the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) Bill 2021. The government has a strong record in managing the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme and is making a record number of medicines available for patients. Since 2013 the government has approved close to 2,800 new or amended medicine listings on the PBS at an overall cost of around $13.9 billion.</para>
<para>The National Health Amendment (Enhancing the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) Bill 2021 amends the National Health Act 1953 to implement reforms negotiated with the medicines industry. The amendments reflect new five-year agreements with Medicines Australia, which is the representative body for the innovative medicine sector in Australia, and the Generic Biosimilar Medicines Association, which is the representative for generic and biosimilar medicine suppliers in Australia.</para>
<para>The new industry agreements will operate from 1 July 2022 to 30 June 2027. Through these new agreements the government and the medicines industry have co-developed a comprehensive package of reforms to the PBS. These reforms will ensure that Australians continue to gain access to new breakthrough medicines as early as possible. They will deliver a robust and uninterrupted supply of medicines needed and used every day by Australians and, very importantly, the reforms will keep the PBS on a long-term sustainable footing.</para>
<para>The industry agreements will achieve this by securing commitments from the medicines industry which will result in new savings from improved statutory price reductions which will be reinvested in the PBS. The reinvestment will in turn help to make headroom on the PBS for listing new medicines. What we will see is a five per cent reduction at the five-year anniversary of a drug listing on the PBS: a five per cent reduction at the 10-year anniversary of a drug listing on the PBS; and a 26.1 per cent price reduction on the 15-year anniversary of a drug listing on the PBS, which will increase to 30 per cent in 2027. These reforms will also ensure that there will be a greater level of stock held of commonly prescribed and older medicines in Australia which in recent years have become susceptible to global medicine shortages.</para>
<para>These reforms will generate net savings of approximately $1.9 billion over the terms of the agreements, with an expected investment of approximately $5 billion in PBS medicine listings over the life of the agreement through the PBS New Medicines Funding Guarantee and the reinvestment of efficiencies agreed with the sector. These reforms also target Commonwealth investment towards securing the supply of commonly prescribed lower priced medicines that have lower margins and are often in short supply globally. Increasingly, global shortages are interrupting the supply of medicines that are the mainstay of treatment for some of the most prevalent health conditions in the Australian community.</para>
<para>In 2019 and 2020, brands of over 500 PBS items were affected by medium- to critical-impact shortages, with brands supplied by manufacturers for $4 or less most susceptible. This includes medicines for common health conditions such as high blood pressure and diabetes, and medicines for mental health conditions such as depression, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. These reforms, as agreed with the medicines industry, will ensure that manufacturers are better placed to compete for supply of these medicines in the global medicine market and hold greater reserve supplies of at least four to six months of stock in Australia to buffer the Australian market when interruptions do occur. From 1 July 2023 additional stocks will be held for over 600 PBS items, including most brands that have an approved X manufacturer price of $4 or less.</para>
<para>These reforms are critical to ensuring the continuity of access that is so important to the proper treatment and management of common medical conditions. Overall, and on average, patients will benefit and save from the reforms through improved supply chain security for a larger number of lower cost pharmaceutical items on the PBS, including for diabetes, epilepsy, arthritis and asthma. Patients will also benefit through reduced costs associated with lowered brand premiums. There will be no increased cost to concession card holders, who will continue to pay a maximum of just $6.60 per script. The agreements with the medicines industry strike a balance between affordable access for Australians; a PBS that is sustainable over the long term, providing the Australian medicines industry the right conditions for it to thrive, launch new and innovative medical treatments in Australia, and a reliable supply. I commend this bill to the Senate.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise only briefly to speak on the National Health Amendment (Enhancing the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) Bill 2021. I note Labor Party and Liberal Party senators have spelt out the provisions, which I support. I have some concerns about unintended consequences, particularly in relation to some drugs that may end up being caught in a price cut in circumstances where they haven't hit the 15-year mark. That's the reason I ask for this bill to be removed from non-controversial, simply so that I could ask some questions in the committee stage. I support the bill in principle, but I'm worried about some unintended consequences.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Australian government and the medicines industry have co-developed a comprehensive package of reforms to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme—the PBS. This is in recognition that the sustainable delivery of world-class access to medicines requires a close partnership between the government and the Australian businesses and industries which supply, distribute and dispense the millions of medicines needed and used every day by Australians.</para>
<para>These reforms have been designed to meet current and future challenges, including the COVID-19 pandemic, and the ever-expanding treatment options for patients. The reforms are also designed to address the impact of global medicine shortages that have interrupted the supply of medicines that are the mainstay of treatment for some of the most common health conditions in Australia, including medicines for high blood pressure and diabetes, and medicines for mental health conditions such as depression, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. The new five-year strategic agreements with Medicines Australia and the Generic Biosimilar Medicines Association will ensure Australians gain access to new breakthrough medicines as early as possible. It will also deliver robust and uninterrupted supply of medicines that Australians need and use every day, and keep the PBS on a long-term, sustainable footing.</para>
<para>The industry agreements will achieve this by securing commitments from the medicines industry and the government to deliver new savings from improved statutory price reductions which will be reinvested in the PBS. The reinvestments will in turn help to make headroom on the PBS for the listing of new medicines and the holding in Australia of greater levels of stock of commonly prescribed and older medicines, which in recent years have become susceptible to global medicines shortages.</para>
<para>The measures in this bill are in addition to significant policy and process improvements outlined in the strategic agreements with Medicines Australia and the Generic and Biosimilar Medicines Association. I thank members for their contributions to the debate on this bill.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
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            <title>In Committee</title>
            <page.no>7060</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have a series of questions for the minister. Again, I'm supportive of the bill. I'm supportive of the stability and assurance that the bill provides to people who are beneficiaries of the PBS but also the companies that engage with the government in relation to this. Minister, can you confirm that the catch-up provisions in the bill are only meant to apply to those listed brands that have been on the PBS for 15 years?</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I can confirm that, but it is to drugs, not brands.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Is the intention of the bill to apply the catch-up provisions to drugs that have been listed on the PBS for 15 years?</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>That is correct. There is also ministerial discretion that's available.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I might come back to that. It was reported in PharmaDispatch on 10 November 2021 that catch-up price reductions will contribute to something like $1.9 billion in savings in the course of five years because of the agreement between Medicines Australia and the federal government. In terms of calculating that saving—and I'm happy for you to present a different number if that's not correct—I'm wondering which of the brands listed on the PBS are subject to the cuts, because that clearly must have been included as part of the calculation.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The catch-up reductions are one part of the contribution to that $1.9 billion, and the schedule of drugs that it's calculated from will be made available in 2022.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In some sense this goes to secrecy, which, as you know, I don't like very much. If you're not listing the drugs now, why is that the case? Why won't you at least let people see which drugs are going to be affected? That, in my view, is consistent with the general principle of setting up an arrangement that does give companies surety and, indeed, allows the users of the PBS to see what will and won't be affected.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The assessment will be made on each individual drug in 2022, so the schedule obviously can't be made available until that time.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>If you've calculated some cost savings, you must have done that on the basis of some calculations at least. I accept that there are a couple of moving parts to this, but you must have come to that number by doing at least some analysis.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It's a point-in-time calculation and it's a projection, and at the time the schedule is created is when the actual drugs that qualify will be determined.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Again, this goes back to you having made a calculation. You must have made a calculation on the basis of something, so you must have some idea. That's the point I'm making. Obviously, I accept what you say—you're moving forward to the point where the drugs will be defined—but you have made a calculation, and I'm trying to understand the basis of that calculation.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>If the schedule were created today and calculated on the basis of the calculations that we're talking about, it could potentially be very misleading as to which drugs are affected.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>So I understand your answer to be—I just want to make sure I've got it clear—you don't want to announce what you've based the calculation on because it may, in fact, change and would be misleading? Is that, essentially, the gist of what you're saying?</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The projection can be made with reasonable accuracy because there are some drugs that are five years older and we know they're going to fall into the net, but there are a number, a smaller number, that are unconfirmed at this point in time.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Is it possible for you to take on notice to table those that are known? I accept there are some unknowns, but could you take on notice the knowns?</para>
</speech>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We can take that question on notice.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Will the cuts include cuts to listed brands on the PBS that treat mental illness, pain, hypertension and infection, and will any of these cuts apply to listed brands that have been on the PBS for less than 15 years?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>All medicines on the PBS will be subject to some form of price reduction, and there is ministerial discretion available.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The bill sets out a schedule that deals with changes at different points in time, one of which is 15 years. My question, really, is going to whether there is a possibility that some of the brands that are currently on the list but haven't been on there for 15 years will be affected by the 15-year change.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senato</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>r HUME (—) (): The calculation will be made on the basis of whether the drug itself has been on the PBS for 15 years, not necessarily the brand of drug, but if a particular brand would be adversely affected then that would fall under ministerial discretion.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>So let's go to ministerial discretion. I understand there has been no guidance given on how that discretion will be exercised. Is that the case, or could you perhaps advise the chamber of some aspects of the guidance for ministerial discretion that's been published?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>There is guidance that's been published—it's already available—but that is being updated, subject to the passage of this bill, and it's being done in collaboration with the sector.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What sorts of criteria would apply to the brands that have been on the PBS for less than 15 years, in circumstances where the drug may have been on for less than 15?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The assessments are going to be made as to the extent of the use of the particular drug and the particular brand and whether the price reduction would cause that brand to leave the market. The assessments will be made at the time.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As to the timing, when is it likely that a company might be able to make application to the minister for the minister to exercise discretion—if that indeed is the way in which the discretion might work?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The time frame is currently being negotiated with industry, but the intention is that it would be at the earliest opportunity.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Has the department or the minister received any correspondence, which might pre-empt an application, indicating that there is a concern?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes. A limited amount of correspondence has already been received, from very few companies, and the minister is responding to that now.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm not meaning necessarily to ask you to divulge the companies, but what sort of number are we talking? Is it three, five, 10—how many companies have approached the minister?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It's under five.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Under five companies? Thank you very much. I presume we've had discretions in the past. You've talked about discretions that are already in place. Can you give me some idea of how that discretion has been exercised in the past, in terms of, perhaps, the number of applications versus the number of exemptions that have been made using the discretion.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Discretion has been used for about 90 brands in recent years, in those circumstances where those brands would otherwise have exited the market.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>PATRICK () (): That is 90 out of how many applications? I want to understand how the discretion falls.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>That's not information I have to hand, but I can take it on notice for you.</para>
<para>Bill agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill reported without amendments; report adopted.</para>
</speech>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>7063</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUME</name>
    <name.id>266499</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7063</page.no>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>7063</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7063</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Today I introduce the <inline font-style="italic">Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill amends the <inline font-style="italic">Commonwealth </inline><inline font-style="italic">Electoral Act 1918</inline> (Electoral Act) and builds upon the significant reforms to the funding and disclosure regime to improve the consistency of the regulatory treatment of all political actors.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reform is necessary to support the integrity of Australia's electoral system, by ensuring that Australia's world-class electoral funding and disclosure regime is consistent, and continues to provide transparency for Australian voters.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Annual Donation Disclosure</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill will provide consistency in the regulatory treatment for political donations received by parliamentarians. It is important that all parliamentarians, once elected, are subject to the same level of public accountability through disclosure of political donations to ensure ongoing transparency between election cycles.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill will require parliamentarians who raise political donations directly to lodge an annual return to the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) relating to gifts they received during the financial year. While political parties submit annual returns each and every year, in the absence of such structures elected independents have no annual disclosure obligations to the AEC at all. This reform removes the double standard currently in place.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The returns will apply to gifts given to members of the House of Representatives and Senators for a federal purpose - that is, for the purpose of incurring electoral expenditure, or creating or communicating electoral matter. The Bill will not require a parliamentarian to submit an annual return if they have not received such gifts during the relevant financial year, or if a gift has previously been reported in a candidate or Senate group return, or in a registered political party annual return.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Additionally, the disclosure obligations for donors will also be amended to require gifts for a federal purpose to a Parliamentarian that are, in total, equal to or above the disclosure threshold, to be reported in the donor's annual return.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Foreign Donations</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill will also ensure the consistent application of the foreign donations framework to members of the House of Representatives and Senators.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Under the measures in this Bill, Parliamentarians will be prohibited from receiving a gift for an amount equal to or greater than $1,000 from a foreign donor, or receiving a gift of more than $100 from a foreign donor for the purposes of electoral expenditure or creating or communicating electoral matter.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This means that Parliamentarians will be subject to the same foreign donations regime as when they are candidates for election, which is the same as other political actors such as political parties, Senate groups and political campaigners.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This amendment is necessary to support the integrity of Australia's electoral system by ensuring that foreign money is kept out of Australian elections.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Extending the disclosure period for candidate and Senate group election returns</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Electoral Act has long recognised that a range of political actors participate in Australian elections. This Bill makes several changes to the regulation of political actors, which are necessary to keep pace with modern campaigning practices and to ensure foreign donations are appropriately restricted.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The relevant disclosure obligations applicable to candidates and members of Senate groups will be extended to the period which is six months prior to the person or group announcing their candidacy or nomination in an election. This amendment increases transparency of the funding of election campaigns, removing the incentive for candidates to deliberately delay their announcement of candidacy in order to avoid financial disclosure obligations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The extension of the disclosure period for candidates and Senate groups will also apply to the foreign donations framework. Under these provisions, a candidate or member of a Senate group must take "acceptable action" in relation to foreign donations within 6 weeks of the date of the gift, or the announcement of candidacy or nomination.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">"Acceptable action" is a defined term under the Electoral Act and means that the candidate or Senate group that has received a gift from a foreign donor must return, repay or divest themselves of the value of that gift.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Conclusion</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill demonstrates the Government's commitment to improving the transparency and accountability of those involved in political finance and election campaigns.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These amendments strengthen the safeguards against foreign influence in the Australian political system and helps to ensure that political campaigning that targets Australians cannot be paid for by foreign donors.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise today to speak on the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021. Labor will be supporting this bill. The bill contains necessary measures to ensure that members and senators are covered by our political funding and disclosure laws.</para>
<para>In 2018 this parliament agreed to important reforms to enhance transparency and protect our democracy. It was Labor that successfully fought for a ban on foreign donations to be included in the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Electoral Funding and Disclosure Reform) Act 2018. We knew that we had to act to protect our democracy from foreign interference, but this government had to be dragged kicking and screaming into banning foreign donations. It took two years for them to act after Labor introduced our own bill to protect democracy. Because of the reforms Labor achieved in 2018, registered political parties, candidates, Senate groups and political campaigners are unable to accept donations over $100 from foreign sources if they are intended to be used for electoral expenditure or any foreign donation at all over $1,000. However, there is an inconsistency in the way the funding and disclosure framework operates with respect to parliamentarians once they are elected.</para>
<para>This bill will extend the ban on foreign donations that applies to parties, candidates and political campaigners to senators and members of the House of Representatives. It will also align the donations disclosure obligations of serving parliamentarians with those that apply to candidates and to political parties. While candidates for an election are unable to accept foreign donations and are required to submit a return to the Australian Electoral Commission which details their donations and electoral expenditure, this obligation ceases 30 days after the return of the writs. That means that anyone in this place who receives donations personally during their term in parliament is not required to disclose them. It also means that there is a loophole which would allow serving parliamentarians to accept donations from foreign sources. This bill will close that loophole. Now, given the prohibition on parties and candidates accepting foreign donations, it would be surprising if anyone in this place were taking gifts from foreign citizens or entities. That would be going against the spirit of the donations reforms that were enacted in 2018. But the ban should of course be extended to elected members of this place. It's illogical for it to cease 30 days after a candidate is elected. The ban will apply to gifts received by sitting parliamentarians from the commencement of the act.</para>
<para>The other change the bill makes in relation to foreign donations is to prohibit candidates from accepting them from six months prior to either the date of their nomination or the date that they announce their candidacy, whichever is earlier. This will enhance the integrity of our democratic processes and put candidates on a level playing field with elected representatives. This bill will further align the obligations of parliamentarians with those of political parties by requiring them to provide an annual return to the Australian Electoral Commission detailing political donations they personally receive which are over the disclosure threshold. Most donations received by parliamentarians who belong to a political party would be received on their behalf by the political party. The political party must then disclose the detail of those donations each year to the AEC. However, there is currently no obligation on parliamentarians to disclose donations personally received. That means that donations received by parliamentarians who are not members of political parties are not required to be disclosed. That is not right and will be corrected by this bill. Parliamentarians who do not personally receive donations will not be required to provide a return to the AEC. Annual returns will need to include the total value of all gifts received by the parliamentarian during the year; the total number of persons who made the gifts; for each gift over the disclosure threshold, which is currently $14,500, the value of each gift; the date on which each gift was made; and the name and address of each donor. A parliamentarian's return must be provided within 20 weeks of the end of the financial year.</para>
<para>The bill requires parliamentarians to provide an annual return in relation to each financial year from 2020-21 whether the gifts were made before or on or after the commencement of the act—that is, the bill will have retrospective application in relation to gifts received personally by parliamentarians during the 2020-21 financial year. Returns for the 2020-21 financial year will need to be provided within 30 days of the act's commencement, and annual returns will be published on the AEC's website. Candidates will also be required to disclose donations they personally receive during the period of six months prior to the date of their nomination or six months prior to the date of them announcing their candidacy, whichever is earlier.</para>
<para>A similar provision will apply to Senate groups, who will be taken to be a group in an election from six months before the day members apply to be grouped on the Senate ballot paper until 30 days after polling day. These changes will substantially improve transparency and, along with the ban on foreign donations, will put candidates and elected representatives on a level playing field.</para>
<para>There is so much more to be done. If this government really wanted to improve transparency, it would be supporting Labor's proposals to lower the donations disclosure threshold from the current $14,500 to a fixed $1,000 and require donations to be disclosed within seven days. These simple changes would mean that voters have this information when they go to cast their ballot and not have to wait up to 18 months to find out who is funding political parties, as is currently the case.</para>
<para>There are other reforms that would enhance our democracy which the government should be committing to. The government should be providing more resources to the AEC to increase enrolment and turn out. There should be reform of electoral expenditure laws. The government should be establishing a powerful and independent national anticorruption commission—a three-year-old promise left languishing. It should be addressing the spread of dangerous misinformation and disinformation and making laws to prevent governments from pork-barrelling in marginally held seats, and the Prime Minister should be requiring members to disclose secret donations that can't be hidden by a blind trust.</para>
<para>Despite Labor's ongoing calls for increased transparency, the government has not taken any action on real-time disclosure or on lower donation disclosure thresholds or on any other measures. Instead, in the final two sitting weeks of the year, possibly the last of this parliamentary term, the government has finally decided to pursue some form of electoral reform. Labor will support this bill, despite it being a late and imperfect attempt at increased transparency.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The government maintains that this bill, the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021, along with the political campaigners bill that they rammed through yesterday, is all about transparency. But they were saying the quiet part out loud when they introduced the bills. Government members have been explicit about their targets: the 'voices of' movement, the Climate 200 group, the OpenAustralia Foundation, They Vote For You. The government are not after transparency for their dirty donors. They're not after transparency for beneficiaries of blind trusts or for meetings with lobbyists. They just want to tie up all those whose activities call out the government or who threaten their electoral prospects. They want to scare off the competition. They want to discourage new voices from putting their hat into the ring for election.</para>
<para>The Greens will always support more transparency, but let's be real about who the government is targeting with this particular bill. On its counterpart bill, the political campaigners bill, Jason Falinski MP said the government was trying to 'turn the rock on all the cockroaches lurking in the dark of Australian democracy'. He said the government wants to prevent parties from campaigning:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… in the shadows, in the darkness, where no-one can see them, where no-one knows what they're up to, where no-one knows, really, who's backing them.</para></quote>
<para>Yet this government's donors love to lurk in the darkness. They wield influence away from the light. They have secret meetings. They exploit the loopholes that allow millions in dark-money donations.</para>
<para>This bill will increase transparency, and we support it for that reason, but it will not shine the light where it most needs to go. In the long list of electoral bills that the government have put up over the last few sittings—I think it's eight now and counting, many of them rammed through without inquiry or proper debate—they've still failed to address the core issues that the public are concerned about. If the government were actually serious about transparency, they would ban dirty donations. As the Greens bill proposes, they would cap donations to no more than $1,000 from anybody, whether it's an individual, a corporation or any sort of organisation at all. That's what needs to be done.</para>
<para>If they were really serious about transparency, they would lower the donations disclosure threshold and they'd require real-time reporting. If they were serious about transparency, they would bring in election spending caps—something that they've also refused to do. If they were serious about transparency, they would stop the revolving door of lobbyists in MPs' offices. And, if they were really serious about transparency, we would have seen the bill for a corruption watchdog that this government promised more than three years ago, before the last election, and that has apparently become a non-core promise in a way that would make John Howard proud.</para>
<para>These are the reforms that Australians actually want to their electoral system. This is what the Australian people deserve to get their democracy back—to get it back from the vested interests and the corporate donors who run both big parties and who engineer the system to get the political and legislative outcomes that suit their private bottom lines, never mind what the rest of the community wants or deserves.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCARR</name>
    <name.id>282997</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I totally reject and repudiate Senator Waters's contribution. Anyone who contributes to the Greens, in Senator Waters's self-righteous world, is doing noble work, contributing to a great cause, promoting the cause of humanity. Anyone who donates to the other side of politics, be it the Labor Party, the LNP or the Liberal Party, has a vested interest or is a corporate donor—it's dirty money, a dirty donation. That's just an absolutely absurd characterisation of how the political system works in this country. I'll rise to defend Senator Kitching and Senator Ciccone from the Labor Party. I'm absolutely certain that their judgement, in terms of any legislation that comes before this place, will be guided by their conscience and will be guided by their intellect and reason, which are outstanding in both cases, and that they will make a decision on the basis of what they consider, constructed on the foundation of their strongly held values, to be in the best interests of the country. I can say the same about my very good friend the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Minister Payne. I've known the minister for a long, long time—I won't say how long—and I know that the minister has always been guided by her values and her desire to assist the public and promote the public interest. My good friend Senator Davey, with whom I've had the pleasure of working since 2019 and who was a fierce advocate for rural communities prior to coming to this place and continues to be a fierce advocate for all those communities, is totally uninfluenced by the issue of donations. I simply do not accept and I totally repudiate the characterisation which Senator Waters seeks to present in relation to the mechanics of how our political system works.</para>
<para>In relation to the specifics of the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021, it actually came as a surprise to me, prior to introduction of this bill, that there was this loophole, this gap, this lacuna, in terms of how our electoral disclosure laws apply. This bill will address two very important gaps in terms of that legislation, the first in relation to foreign donations. As I'm making this contribution, I should say that nothing I'm saying here should in any way reflect on my good friend Senator Patrick. I'm absolutely sure, in all of these matters, that he conducts himself with great decency and integrity and I don't question that in any way. I suspect Senator Patrick was not aware of these loopholes either, because he would never seek to exploit such loopholes. As I said, the first of the two loopholes which are addressed in this bill is in relation to foreign donations. It can't be the case that someone outside of this place, before they announce their candidacy as an independent, can accept some sort of financial contribution from foreign stakeholders with respect to a future candidacy that hasn't yet been announced. That simply should not be permitted to happen. That loophole needs to be closed, and there needs to be a level playing field in terms of how all participants in the political system deal with foreign stakeholders. This bill achieves that, with an appropriate look-back period with respect to any financial contributions which were received by candidates.</para>
<para>The second point is with respect to the disclosure period for candidates. Again, it should be a level playing field. We should all be treated equally, whether we come from the National Party, the Liberal Party, the LNP—in my home state of Queensland—the Labor Party or the Greens or whether we are Independents, crossbenchers. We should all be treated equally in terms of disclosure periods. That disclosure period should be calibrated appropriately so that someone is not incentivised to delay the announcement of their candidacy in order to avoid disclosure of donations. So there needs to be a look-back period. I think that's entirely appropriate.</para>
<para>No doubt there are other issues in relation to the funding of our political parties and political candidates that other senators in this place will wish to contribute on, but, on the specifics of this bill, I suspect the vast majority of us agree that these are two gaps in our current system that should be closed. On that basis, I commend the bill to the chamber.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Whilst I will be supporting the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021, for many of the reasons pointed out by other contributors, including Senator Scarr, there are other loopholes that also need to be closed, or other reforms that need to be looked at, and my amendments seek to do that. In relation to the mention I got from Senator Scarr, I don't think he was suggesting in any way that people ought to look at me; it is just that he was talking about Independents, and I was the only Independent in the chamber. He is acknowledging that now.</para>
<para>Senator Scarr talked about doubts being expressed about who is and who isn't donating to different parties and whether they are all corporate donors for one party and all environmental donors for another party. I think the point is: if we have disclosure that's at a low level, we don't want to burden mums and dads who want to contribute to a party, who look at a party and say: 'You know what? I like what they do. I want to help that party get re-elected.' That is as opposed to, perhaps, a very large donor who says, 'I want to own that party.' There is a distinction, a line, where an accusation can be drawn. But right now our disclosure threshold sits at $14,300, and that is way too high. That does give rise to an accusation that access is being bought and influence is occurring. That needs to be addressed. It's not a matter of these donations coming in. Let other people see where those donations are coming from so that they can make better claims when they're advocating their particular concerns. If we are seeing very large donations coming in from mining companies to the Liberal Party or to the National Party, let's see that. Let's not have innuendo and claims being made.</para>
<para>That's why I have an amendment that seeks to lower the threshold to $1,000, so we don't capture the mums and dads—there is a lot of burden involved in that. No-one would suggest that someone who is donating a few hundred dollars would ever be trying to buy access or influence. But certainly above that level the question starts to arise. So why not reduce the disclosure threshold to $1,000? It's my view that it should also be in real time. We're in a world now where real-time disclosure is not difficult to do, and that would allow the electorate to be completely informed as to who is receiving what money—how much, who it's from—when they're receiving it.</para>
<para>In reality, as I said, I'd like it to be real time. My amendment doesn't go there, and the reason it doesn't is that I know there's no support for it in either of the major parties. What I am happy to report is that the Labor Party does support a disclosure threshold down to $1,000. I'll just read from their website. They say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Donations of over $14,300 are subject to disclosure under the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This is the reason we require your personal details when making a donation. However, the Australian Labor Party has a policy of disclosing all donations over $1,000.</para></quote>
<para>I'll be very surprised—or maybe I won't be surprised because I gave the opportunity last night for the Labor Party to vote for their own policy, but they decided not to.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Scarr, to be fair, on your side of the chamber, you need to be looking at your own policies and you should be adopting these policies because they're about transparency, they're about confidence in our democratic system. I am up here having a go at the Labor Party because they're not supporting their own policy, but I'll happily have a go at the Liberal Party and say: it should be your policy; it ought to be your policy. I hope you take that to the party room, because I know you are a senator of great integrity. Whilst you might not be able to express your views outside the party lines, I'm hopeful that you share my views. I hope that when my amendment is moved the Labor Party will in fact support their own policy. So, let's cross our fingers and see what happens there.</para>
<para>I will be moving another amendment during the committee stage. We know that people come to dinners with prime ministers, ministers or influential politicians and will pay a ticket price of $10,000 to have a private audience. Whilst that practice may take place, I think you have to be open about it. I know there are a lot of companies that have policies that say they can't make political donations. So, they rock up to these events and they pay a ticket price—not a donation from their perspective; it's a ticket price. No-one is ever going to front up to a meal and get a $10,000 plate—that's not going to happen; that's not what's happening. People turn up and they get a nice meal—there's no question the meal and the wine would be nice.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Scarr, the nice thing is: you can come round and visit me at any time and you don't have to pay a cent. That's the way I like it for everyone and that's the way it should be. You shouldn't have to buy any access at all. Senator Scarr, you are welcome to pop round to my office and even for us to go and have dinner at some stage—I'm sure I would enjoy that.</para>
<para>At the moment we have people turning up to dinners, and the price is reflective of who's sitting at the head of the table: if it's the PM, it's a big price; if it's a cabinet minister, it's slightly less; if it's an assistant minister, less again; and, if it's a hopeful, it's less again. I'm not sure where Senator Scarr is placing his pricepoint, but that's wrong, guys. If that's going to happen, disclose it. That's what needs to happen.</para>
<para>We need to have rules in place that require disclosure. I'm not asking people to go outside the rules. The rules are established, and everyone therefore plays within the rules; however, the rules are wrong and we've got to change those rules. So I will be giving people an opportunity to vote for my second amendment, which I didn't talk about yesterday because there was a gag debate after a dirty deal was done by the Labor Party. Actually, it was a dirty and really silly deal: one of the things they got out of the deal yesterday was to get voter ID knocked out of the legislation list at the expense of charities. That's what happened yesterday, if anyone didn't notice. The Labor Party did a deal with the coalition, at great harm to charities, so that voter ID was taken off the legislative table. Actually, if they had simply done the numbers, I had indicated I wasn't supporting it, Senator Lambie had indicated she wasn't supporting it and Senator Griff wasn't interested in supporting it on this side of an election, that's for sure. The government didn't have the numbers, and so the Labor Party sold out charities to get something that was already the case, and that was that the voter ID legislation wasn't going to make it through the parliament.</para>
<para>Unfortunately, we couldn't talk about that last night because it was all gagged. Therefore, I also couldn't talk about my amendment. Just to describe what my amendment does: basically, it says that if you have a dinner—I'm not trying to stop anyone having a dinner—and the proceeds of the evening are a reasonable margin above what the cost of the delivery of the service is then you have to declare the ticket price as a political donation. That's the way it should be.</para>
<para>Let's bring some transparency to this whole regime. A whole bunch of people just lost confidence in this building, both here and the other place, because they feel as though we can be bought. Part of the reason they feel that way is because of all the secret ways in which political parties raise their money, and we have to change that.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It would be remiss of me in this contribution on the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021 not to talk about the general issue of electoral reform. I do commend the government and I commend all parties who want to ensure that our democracy is the best that it can be. I acknowledge Senator Patrick's contribution there and acknowledge his interest in particular areas of transparency relating to how government works and also to how political parties operate.</para>
<para>I want to stand up in defence of political parties. When we talk about political parties, this is the issue: everybody thinks that political parties are powerful, well-oiled and well-funded machines. In fact, I can talk about the Liberal National Party in Queensland. It has a membership of 12,000 or 13,000 people. That's the party—they're voluntary members of the party. Our headquarters in Albion has fewer than 10 full-time staff. We have a receptionist—hello, Michelle!; we have a state director—hello Lincoln!; we have someone who helps Lachlan—hello Declan!; and we have other people who work in compliance—10 staff.</para>
<para>Now I'm not going to bash the unions and pick on the unions, but every single union in Queensland has more staff, individually as a union, than the Liberal National Party. My party is not some well-funded, well-oiled, powerful electoral machine; it's a party of volunteers. It's a party of 13,000 individuals who have joined up. It's a party of tens of thousands of people who are strong supporters but who may not sign on the dotted line of a membership form; but they're happy to help out on polling day or to deliver material and spread the message. And it's hundreds of thousands of people who vote for the Liberal National Party.</para>
<para>I'm sometimes agog at other politicians, who represent parties in this place, when they attack my party. To me it shows their failure to understand what it means to be a member of a political party. It means that I, as someone who has an interest in the future of my local area—I live on the Darling Downs, so I go and will join the Warwick branch of the Liberal-National Party. I go to meetings that are held in the CWA hall in Warwick. Occasionally I might go to the southern electorate council meetings, which is in the state electorate of Southern Downs—with Stanthorpe, Warwick and Goondiwindi. I will go along there with other people with similar interests.</para>
<para>We're in the federal electorate Maranoa. Maranoa is 42 per cent of Queensland. It effectively goes from Cunninghams Gap, which borders the Southern Downs and Scenic Rim—it goes from the border of New South Wales and goes to Kingaroy and then goes straight up to Longreach. It's 42 per cent of Queensland. One electorate in Queensland is larger than many countries in Europe. We've people there from Kingaroy, Warwick and Longreach who are very different. They have different perspectives on life. But they share beliefs and values in relation to what they think is best for their country, so they join a political party. I'm sure it's the same for other political parties.</para>
<para>What annoys me and frustrates me—this is a general comment—is that we want to burden volunteers. We want to burden people with all this compliance. Do you know what the worst job to do in a political party is at a branch level or at state level?</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Scarr. The worst job in any political party unit—the Liberal-National Party—is to be to be treasurer. Avoid it at all costs! It's a nightmare of a job. I'm not just saying that because I got four per cent in maths and can't add up; it's because—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Payne. I'm going to ignore that. I don't want to have take my boots off to count. It annoys me how many burdens are put on treasurers. It's such a terrible job. Suddenly you have people who want to make their local community—Warwick, Southern Downs, Maranoa—a better place to live. They've got to come to terms with all these streams of pages and feet-high piles of documentation. We should be making it easier for people to get involved in politics. We should be making it easier for people to join political parties and get involved, not making it harder. What we are seeing across this country is this distaste for political parties. The immediate thing is that anyone who joins a political party is in it for their own gain, is in it to make themselves richer and better. I look at Senator Scarr, who is here, Senator Davey and Senator Payne; I look at the branch members in my party units; I look at the cars in the car park, and they belong to normal people. They run businesses—some are retired, some people want to become politicians, some people want to run for council. They're not rich people. They're not in it for themselves. They're in it because they want to make society a better place.</para>
<para>I think we should always support people who want to join political parties. Unfortunately, a narrative has developed in this country where if you join a third interest group suddenly you are so holy. You are so pure because you join this third interest group. You join some local, green action group and suddenly you're the first cousin of the Dalai Lama, whereas, if you join the local political party, you're seen as Satan's second child. I think that is wrong. I am proud to stand up for the political parties. I am proud to stand up for branch members across this country who join a political party.</para>
<para>I encourage people to join my party, the Liberal National Party—lnp.org.au, if you're interested. You can download the membership form. It's pretty easy to join. Please come along to a branch meeting, and please come back to a second one after that. Get involved, because there is a real fight on in this country in terms of the battle of ideas.</para>
<para>I know some on the extreme Right and the extreme Left talk about convergence. They don't use the words 'convergence theory', but I will. There is the convergence theory of politics that the Labor Party and the Liberal National Party are coming together. I strongly disagree with that theory of politics. I think at the next election there will be a strong choice between who will be in the Lodge.</para>
<para>I strongly oppose Mr Albanese becoming Prime Minister. I don't want him to get into the Lodge. I don't want him to go to CurtainWorld and decide how he is going to redecorate the interior of the Lodge. I don't judge him on his interior decorating taste, his sartorial fashion or anything like that. What scares me about Mr Albanese is the policies that he will take to the next election, because we heard in the Senate yesterday Senator Rice talk about a power-sharing arrangement between the Labor Party and the Greens. That should scare people who are listening in today. 'A power-sharing arrangement' is code for a coalition government.</para>
<para>So the choice at the next election will be between Scott Morrison leading a coalition of the National Party and the Liberal Party, a coalition that has served this country for so long and so well—and particularly over the last two years it has kept Australians safe—and a coalition of Anthony Albanese and the Greens. That is a real choice. If you do change this government—and we're talking about political parties here—it means that the Labor Party will be in power with the Greens, and this country will change and, in my view, change for the worse.</para>
<para>So it is important that we do defend those Australians who join political parties. It is important that we don't allow people who want to get involved in politics to be ostracised and tainted. It's important that we don't allow the media to say to Dawn Scrymgeour—and Senator Scarr will know her well; she's an honorary life member and the doyen of the Warwick branch of the Liberal National Party—'Because you have spent the last 30 or 40 years of your life supporting the Liberal National Party, you are a bad person.' That is rubbish. I think Dawn Scrymgeour is a good person. I think all people who join political parties, even those who join the parties opposite me here, do so because they want the country to go in a certain direction. They're not doing it because they want to personally gain.</para>
<para>I think we need to redirect the conversation in Australia away from this tainting of party politics. We are not 17th century England, where you had very loose coalitions of people who would come together based on personal interests or on single issues. We do have a choice between cohesive ideologies. On this side it is of smaller government, lower taxes and greater freedom. I will let the Left talk for themselves, but on that side they are for government having an increasing role in people's lives. Essentially, we believe in freedom and the other mob don't. That is how I put it in McGrath-speak.</para>
<para>I do support legislation that will bring about a level playing field between political parties and other interest groups. I also do support legislation that does improve transparency. We need to make sure that we're not thinking about some political party that have their headquarters in a gleaming high-rise in Collins Street, Melbourne.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That's not a political party—thank you, Senator Scarr. Yes, the Liberal-National Party headquarters are in Albion, at the Albion Fiveways; they're above an Indian restaurant.</para>
<para>A government senator: It's a good restaurant!</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's a very good restaurant.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Davey. And, yes, we did sell Bjelke-Petersen House, and we got a good return on Bjelke-Petersen House, and then we bought a place—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm not going to go into the property history of the Liberal-National Party, Senator Davey; you've put me off! Interjections are always disorderly; that one was particularly disorderly.</para>
<para>The Liberal-National Party has very basic headquarters. But what makes my party—our party, on this side of the chamber—stronger is the membership. It's those people who will pay their $100 or so each year to come along to a branch meeting. What that is—and, yes, it's the ratification of the minutes of the previous meeting; yes, it's a discussion amongst people—is a coming together of people who have a shared belief in the system and a shared value system. What we should be doing, as a parliament, is making it easier for people to stay in a political party or to join a political party, and making it easier for them to want to stay in that political party and continue to participate in politics and in party politics. I will always stand up strongly for party politics, because I think that it is through that stability of party politics—of that great split between those on the left and those on the right—that there is a choice between who governs each state or territory or who governs this country for Australians to make; there is a choice for Queenslanders to make. And that choice is one that I believe is, at the coming federal election, going to be so important for how this country goes forward.</para>
<para>I'm someone who is very strongly supportive of further electoral reform. Yesterday in this chamber I introduced a private member's bill on optional preferential voting and the Robson rotation because I believe that that will make it fairer for voters. It's so they can decide who to vote for and not vote for. I believe the Robson rotation will make it fairer for candidates, so candidates do not benefit from the donkey vote. I hope that this Senate and this parliament will give due consideration to that bill, because that bill will make the coming federal election that much fairer for all Australians. I also hope that voter ID is brought in to this country sooner rather than later.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank all those in this chamber who have contributed to this debate. The Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021 builds upon reforms to the funding and disclosure regime that have been applied over recent years to improve the consistency of the treatment of all political actors. It will extend the application of the existing foreign donations framework to current sitting members of the House of Representatives and senators, from the period at which they formally announce their intention to seek re-election through the full length of their parliamentary term. It will require parliamentarians who receive gifts for a federal purpose directly—that is, for the purpose of incurring electoral expenditure or creating or communicating electoral matter—to lodge an annual return to the AEC relating to gifts received during the financial year, and it will extend the period for which a person is taken to be a candidate by an additional six months for the purpose of the disclosure period for candidate and Senate group returns and for restrictions on receiving foreign donations.</para>
<para>This is to support the continued integrity of Australia's electoral system by ensuring that Australia's world-class electoral funding disclosure regime is consistent and continues to provide an appropriate balance of transparency for Australian voters. Once again, I thank those in this chamber for their contributions and commend the bill to the Senate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
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</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>In Committee</title>
            <page.no>7071</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move amendment (1) on sheet 1527:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 1, page 19 (after line 26), at the end of the Schedule, add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Part 4 — Disclosure threshold</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">53 Subsection 287(1) (definition of <inline font-style="italic">disclosure threshold</inline> )</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Omit "$13,800", substitute "$1,000".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">54 Subsection 287(1) (note to the definition of <inline font-style="italic">disclosure threshold</inline> )</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Repeal the note.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">55 Subsection 287(1) (paragraph (a) of the definition of <inline font-style="italic">third party</inline> )</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Omit "the disclosure threshold", substitute "$10,000".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">56 Section 321A</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Repeal the section.</para></quote>
<para>Just so that everyone understands what this amendment is about—and I did talk about it in my second reading speech—this amendment basically and very simply lowers the disclosure threshold from $13,800 to $1,000. That, I think, is a proper transparency measure. I note that it is Labor Party policy that there should be disclosures above $1,000, and so I'm looking forward to their support when we divide on this.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like to take the opportunity in the committee stage to make a few remarks about the way that my party has approached the electoral reforms that have been before this chamber over recent days, before turning to the substance of the amendment proposed by Senator Patrick.</para>
<para>The government, of course, has had an entire term to progress reforms to our electoral system, had it wanted to. But, as is so often the case with this government, it has deferred, delayed, done very little and then introduced a set of bills very late in the piece. At the centre of those bills, as everyone will be aware, was a proposal for voters to have to provide ID at the polling booth. There were other measures proposed in the bills, including reforms to the obligations for those who engage in political campaigning. Labor was quite clear about both of those measures in particular. We did not support voter ID, because of the impacts it would have on marginalised people. Our view is that Australian democracy is for everyone. It's important that everyone has an opportunity to participate. It is especially important that people on the margins of society have no impairments to their participation, and it was on that basis we did not support the voter ID reforms proposed by the government. We made that very clear—publicly—and I'll come back to that. We also didn't support the approach taken to disclosures for political campaigners for a range of reasons, which we set out at the time.</para>
<para>I make the obvious observation that, regrettably, I am giving this speech from this side of the chamber. It would be my preference to give it from the other side of the chamber. Indeed, at the next election, I hope that the Australian public looks at this lazy, tired government, which is presently occupying the other side, and decides to kick it out. If we want real electoral reform and if we want to protect our democracy, through establishing a national anticorruption commission, through improving disclosure arrangements for donations and through a raft of other measures to make sure that as many Australians as possible are enrolled and participating in our democratic system, then I'm afraid we'll have to wait for a Labor government, because there's no energy or enthusiasm for that on that side of the chamber.</para>
<para>But here we are. We're not yet at an election; we're here in this chamber, and the fact that I am giving this speech from this side of the chamber has other implications. When legislation comes here, we don't automatically have a majority in this place to stop it. It hasn't been at all clear what the position of many members of the crossbench has been on the matters that I've just referred to. I'm not going to name individual crossbench members. How they behave here is up to them. But Labor will always do our best to get the best outcome for our democracy in this chamber of scrutiny and review. We are pleased that, after conversations with us and no doubt with others, the government withdrew its voter ID bill. We are also pleased that the government agreed to change the threshold for disclosure for political campaigners and made other changes to that legislation. We don't like that legislation, but that is a better outcome than what was proposed by the government—legislation which we had consistently said we opposed. As I say, it really wasn't clear what the crossbench were going to do on that question.</para>
<para>I run through that because I do object to the characterisation placed on Labor's decision-making by a number of contributors to this debate. There is in fact no shame at all in negotiating towards an outcome that enfranchises marginalised people. There's no shame in negotiating and advocating against a bill that would absolutely have excluded many First Nations people from participation. And there's no shame in negotiating amendments to a bill that imposes obligations on charities and not-for-profits to improve it. That's because, as far as we could tell, based on the stated positions of people on the crossbench, those things were going to come through the chamber unamended. It's on that basis that Labor seeks to improve legislation here. It's all very well to throw barbs later, after the fact, but if people had really wanted to oppose and block these things then they might have made their intentions clearer a little sooner.</para>
<para>I turn now to the amendment proposed by Senator Patrick. As Senator Patrick pointed out, we have always had a policy that supports increased transparency of donations and lowering the disclosure threshold. It was in fact the Hawke Labor government that first introduced our donations disclosure regime. It's a great example: a Labor government and improved transparency in democratic arrangements. And here's the contrast: the Liberals, under John Howard, jacked that up. They jacked up the level of disclosure and linked it to inflation. You can give tens of thousands of dollars to a political party and don't have to disclose it under this crowd. That's not our position. We have two bills currently before this Senate to lower the disclosure threshold to $1,000 and to introduce real-time disclosure of donations. That would improve things; that would make a difference. We fully support the principle of amending the disclosure threshold.</para>
<para>However, we won't be supporting the amendments of Senator Patrick and Senator Lambie today. We believe, despite the election-eve changes to the electoral act introduced by the government, that genuine electoral reform should be done in a consultative manner. It should be done by reviewing the operation of the Commonwealth Electoral Act more broadly, rather than through these kinds of last-minute amendments. It's on that basis that we won't be providing support today.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm very disappointed, but not surprised. To summarise what Senator McAllister said: 'We support Senator Patrick's amendment in principle. We have our own bills in this place that, of course, sit as private members' bills.' They won't necessarily get through this place and, certainly, if they get through this place they won't get through the other place.</para>
<para>We have a piece of legislation here that the government wants to pass and to which we can attach this relatively simple amendment, which lowers the disclosure threshold to $1,000. There's a provision in this amendment to make sure that it doesn't burden people. If someone makes a $5,000 donation they don't have to disclose it themselves, but the political party does. It's been carefully crafted so that only if you're a person who makes a donation above $10,000 do you also have to contact the AEC. Political parties have to disclose anything above $1,000.</para>
<para>I just find it really difficult. The proposition here is that we could change the disclosure threshold to $1,000. It's Labor policy and they have bills in place, but they don't want to do anything because they're not in government. This shows why they don't deserve to be in government. They have to stand up for what they believe in; they have to cast their vote in such a way that moves things in a better direction. The perfect is the enemy of the good! This is a good amendment—they've said so themselves—yet they're going to vote against it! That just tells me that they're disingenuous. They don't actually believe in it.</para>
<para>Everyone who is looking at the Labor Party now and trying to work out whether they would vote for them ought to understand that they don't have the courage in opposition to give effect to their own policies. Of course, when they get into government, what confidence do we have that they'll then implement those themselves? What confidence do we have that the Labor Party, who are shying away from supporting their own policy when the opportunity arises, would in fact implement those policies in government?</para>
<para>In order to be in government you have to demonstrate, first, that you're a strong opposition. And they are not: they are a weak opposition. They could simply vote for this and make a change—it's not perfect, but it's a change that brings about good and is their own policy. Duplicity is what we have here, and weak, weak leadership.</para>
<para>Mr Albanese ought to be picking up the phone to Senator Wong and saying, 'You have to vote for this, because this is good policy; this is the direction we want to take the country in.' But no: they're going to sit here and say, 'It's all going to be much better when we're in government.' Do you know what? I saw this happen just prior to the last election in relation to ISDS. Against its own policy, the Labor Party waved through some ISDS provisions on a piece of legislation related to free trade agreements, saying, 'We're going to undo this when we get into government.' Guess what? You didn't get into government, and there's no guarantee that you will this time. But, if you vote for my amendment, you will bring about change that you know is good change.</para>
<para>But you have no courage. You have no conviction. People are seeing how hollow and how shallow the Labor Party is in opposition, which gives rise to the question of why they would vote for you in an election, when you exhibit those characteristics. There's no excuse for your not voting for this, Labor; there is no excuse at all for not voting for this. This will end up being a micky—and for those listening who don't know what that is, it's when we know that the Labor Party and the Liberal Party are voting together, so not everyone from their side needs to turn up and vote. We saw that yesterday when this vote was put. I think there were about two or three Labor Party people in the chamber. I think most of them are—rightfully—ashamed at the position taken, whereby the Labor Party doesn't even back its own policies. So, let's get on with this. Let's put this amendment to a vote and let's see how the Labor Party behave.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Greens will be voting for these amendments from Senator Patrick and Senator Lambie to the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021 to lower the donations disclosure threshold, because we don't think big money should be secretly running this place. I share the concern that's just been expressed about the so-called opposition not actually voting for what is in fact their policy. Now, I can't stand this government. I think their agenda is woeful; I think it hurts communities and it hurts the planet. I want a change of government. But it is very difficult when the opposition refuses to oppose and refuses to take a stand on what they say is their policy. I want you to be better. I think the whole country wants you to be better. I want to see you in government, but I want you to stand for something.</para>
<para>This small-target strategy just means you actually don't stand for anything, and that's not what the country needs. We've got an awful government here that's used successive bills to try to silence charities, to try to suppress candidates from running, to try to suppress voters—which, thankfully, they've now dumped, because they weren't going to get it through, because the crossbench stood firm on that. We now see a very mild amendment that just says 'disclose' all this money that's getting tipped into your coffers by big corporates; that's all it does. It doesn't even say, 'Don't take the dirty money'; it just says 'disclose' when you get it. Of course, the Greens would want it to go further, and our bill says you shouldn't be able to donate massive wads of cash to political parties, because it corrupts the system. But I'm extremely disappointed to hear that the opposition will not be voting for what is actually their own policy.</para>
<para>That's exactly why you need the Greens and, frankly, the crossbench in here. It looks like we'll be in a minority government after the next election, and I hope that's the case, because I want this government gone; they've been absolutely awful. But you will need the Greens and strong crossbenchers to make sure the Labor Party actually stands for something and delivers on something. They're choosing today to not even deliver on their own policy. A small-target strategy means you stand for nothing.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>281558</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the amendment on sheet 1527, moved by Senator Patrick, be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
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<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [11:08]<br />(The Acting Deputy President—Senator Askew)</p>
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            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>9</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Cox, D.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Griff, S.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Patrick, R. L.</name>
                  <name>Rice, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Waters, L. J.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>24</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Askew, W.</name>
                  <name>Birmingham, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                  <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                  <name>Davey, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                  <name>Fawcett, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C. A.</name>
                  <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                  <name>Hume, J.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Seselja, Z. M.</name>
                  <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. A.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names />
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived </p>
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            </division.result>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I, and also on behalf of Senator Lambie, move amendments (1) and (2) on sheet 1528 together:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 1, item 24, page 6 (line 10), omit the item, substitute:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">24 Section 302V</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Before "Returns provided under this Division", insert "Gifts totalling more than the disclosure threshold that are made by a single person to the same member of the House of Representatives or the same Senator during a financial year for federal purposes must also be disclosed in a return provided to the Electoral Commission.".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 1, page 19 (after line 26), at the end of the Schedule, add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Part 5 — Proceeds of events</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">57 Subsection 287(1) (definition of <inline font-style="italic">regulated entity</inline> )</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Omit "section 314B", substitute "sections 314AED and 314B".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">58 Subsection 287(1)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">cost </inline>of an eventmeans the sum of amounts incurred for or in connection with the event by the person or entity who held the event.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">proceeds </inline>of an event means the sum of amounts:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) received by the person or entity who held the event; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) derived directly or indirectly from the event.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">shared event cost: </inline>see section 287ABA.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">59 After section 287AB</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">287ABA Meaning of <inline font-style="italic">shared event cost</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) The <inline font-style="italic">shared event cost </inline>of an event is the cost of the event, divided by the number of persons who attended the event.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), the number of persons who attended an event does not include a person who was present at the event only for the purpose of providing services, including but not limited to catering, entertainment or security services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Example: The cost of an event was $10,000. 110 persons were present at the event. 10 persons were present only for the purpose of providing catering, entertainment and security services. 100 persons attended the event. The shared event cost is $100.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">60 Section 302V</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">After:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Gifts totalling more than the disclosure threshold that are made by a single person to the same registered political party, State branch or significant third party during a financial year must also be disclosed in a return provided to the Electoral Commission.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">If a gift of more than the disclosure threshold is made with the proceeds of an event meeting certain criteria, the return provided by the person who made the gift must include the details of persons who contributed (or on whose behalf a contribution was made) to such proceeds.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">61 After subsection 305A(4)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4A) For the purposes of this section, if:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) a gift was made that was wholly or partly derived from the proceeds of an event; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the proceeds of the event were equal to or more than 115% of the cost of the event;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">the required details of the gift are also:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the name and address of each person who made a contribution to the proceeds of the event of equal to or more than 115% of the shared event cost; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) the name and address of each person on whose behalf a contribution to the proceeds of the event was made of equal to or more than 115% of the shared event cost.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">62 After subsection 305B(3)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3AA) If:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) a gift was made that was wholly or partly derived from the proceeds of an event; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the proceeds of the event were equal to or more than 115% of the cost of the event;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">the return must also set out:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the name and address of each person who made a contribution to the proceeds of the event of equal to or more than 115% of the shared event cost; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) the name and address of each person on whose behalf a contribution to the proceeds of the event was made of equal to or more than 115% of the shared event cost.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">63 S ection 314AAA</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Before:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Returns provided under this Division are published by the Electoral Commissioner, on the Transparency Register, under section 320.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Regulated entities (including registered political parties and their State branches, candidates, members of groups, significant third parties, third parties and associated entities) provide returns each financial year to the Electoral Commissioner setting out details of certain events held by the regulated entity, including the proceeds of the event and the names and addresses of those who contributed (or on whose behalf a contribution was made) to such proceeds.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">64 Before section 314AF</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">314AEE Annual returns relating to proceeds of events</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) This section applies if:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) a regulated entity holds an event during a financial year; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the proceeds of the event are equal to or more than 115% of the cost of the event; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the proceeds of the event exceed the cost of the event by an amount equal to or more than the disclosure threshold.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) A return for the financial year must be provided in accordance with this section by:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) if the regulated entity is a political entity, significant third party or associated entity—the agent or financial controller of the political entity, significant third party or associated entity; or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) if the regulated entity is a third party—the third party.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Civil penalty:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The higher of the following:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) 120 penalty units;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) if an amount is not disclosed under paragraph (4)(b) and there is sufficient evidence for the court to determine the amount, or an estimate of the amount, not disclosed under that paragraph—3 times that amount.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) The return must be provided to the Electoral Commissioner within 16 weeks after the end of the financial year.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) The return must specify:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the date of the event; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the proceeds of the event; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the cost of the event; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) the name and address of each person who made a contribution to the proceeds of the event of equal to or more than 115% of the shared event cost; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) the name and address of each person on whose behalf a contribution to the proceeds of the event was made of equal to or more than 115% of the shared event cost.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) The return must be in the approved form.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) Subsection 93(2) of the Regulatory Powers Act does not apply in relation to a contravention of subsection (2) of this section.</para></quote>
<para>What this amendment seeks to do is make it transparent that, when people turn up to a dinner and they pay a large fee—a fee that well exceeds the cost of the dinner—then that must be disclosed as a donation, and the threshold is 115 per cent. If 100 people turn up to a dinner and the amount of money raised is $10,000, then the shared cost of that dinner would be $100 each, just by dividing it up. If, in fact, you made $20,000, then the people who participated and paid more than the proper cost for the dinner would have to be registered as donors to the party. No more $10,000 dinners with the Prime Minister, without at least that being disclosed.</para>
<para>Australians have a right to know if someone turns up to a dinner and they are paying to sit at a table with the Prime Minister. They might have 10 or 20 people there, all paying $10,000. No-one can realistically suggest that those people are receiving a meal that's worth that amount of money. They're actually buying access, and that ought to be disclosed.</para>
<para>It may be the case that this is disclosed through the political system. Of course, it wouldn't hit the current threshold of $14,300, but this amendment would make sure that, indeed, it is disclosed. I'm not suggesting parties may be doing something untoward in terms of at least registering these as donations, but the public have a right to know who is paying for access to prime ministers, ministers, influential senators and MPs. I hope that the chamber will support this.</para>
<para>Again, the Labor Party say that they're interested in electoral reform. I note that in the last division, which was about voting for Labor's policy, only three Labor senators turned up to vote, because they're ashamed of the conduct of the leaders of their party in this chamber in not supporting their own policy, of them saying, 'Let's sort that out when we're in government.' So let's just see whether or not there's a change in relation to this. Let's see how many Labor senators stand up for transparency in this next vote.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Greens will be supporting this last amendment. Anything that increases the transparency of the influence that money has on this building and the decisions that emanate from it is a good thing. We would like to see donations capped at $1,000 for everybody. We do not think that big money should play a role in our democracy. This doesn't do that, but it is a small step in the right direction, so the Greens will be supporting it.</para>
<para>Progress reported.</para>
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</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>7077</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Withdrawal</title>
          <page.no>7077</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS</name>
    <name.id>e4t</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Pursuant to notice given yesterday, on behalf of the Standing Committee for the Scrutiny of Delegated Legislation, I withdraw business of the Senate notice of motion No. 4, standing in my name, for four sitting days after today, proposing the disallowance of the Legislation (Exemptions and Other Matters) Amendment (2021 Measures No. 1) Regulations 2021, and business of the Senate notice of motion No. 1, standing in my name, for 12 sitting days after today, proposing the disallowance of the Taxation Administration (Data Sharing—Relevant COVID‑19 Business Support Program) Declaration 2021.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>7077</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Selection of Bills Committee</title>
          <page.no>7077</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>7077</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the 14th report of 2021 of the Selection of Bills Committee and seek leave to have the report incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The report read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">SELECTION OF BILLS COMMITTEE</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">REPORT NO. 14 OF 2021</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">2 December 2021</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">MEMBERS OF THE CO MMITTEE</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Dean Smith (Government Whip, Chair)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Perin Davey (The Nationals Whip)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Stirling Griff (Centre Alliance Whip)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Pauline Hanson (Pauline Hanson's One Nation Whip)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Nick McKim (Australian Greens Whip)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Anne Urquhart (Opposition Whip)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Raff Ciccone</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Katy Gallagher</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Jacqui Lambie</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator the Hon James McGrath</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Rex Patrick</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator the Hon Anne Ruston</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Secretary: Tim Bryant</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Ph: 6277 3020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">SELECTION OF BILLS COMMITTEE</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">REPORT NO. 14 OF 2021</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1. The committee met in private session on Wednesday, 1 December 2021 at 8.10 pm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2. The committee recommends that—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the <inline font-style="italic">provisions </inline>of the Corporate Collective Investment Vehicle Framework and Other Measures Bill 2021 be <inline font-style="italic">referred immediately </inline>to the Economics Legislation Committee for inquiry and report by 3 February 2022 (see appendix 1 for a statement of reasons for referral);</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the <inline font-style="italic">provisions </inline>of the Customs Amendment (Controlled Trials) Bill 2021 be <inline font-style="italic">referred immediately </inline>to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee for inquiry and report by 22 March 2022; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the <inline font-style="italic">provisions </inline>of the Health Legislation Amendment (Medicare Compliance and Other Measures) Bill 2021 be <inline font-style="italic">referred immediately </inline>to the Community Affairs Legislation Committee for inquiry and report by 21 April 2022.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">3. The committee recommends that the following bills <inline font-style="italic">not </inline>be referred to committees:</para></quote>
<list>Animal Health Australia and Plant Health Australia Funding Legislation Amendment Bill 2021</list>
<list>Electoral Legislation Amendment (Candidate Eligibility) Bill 2021</list>
<list>National Security Legislation Amendment (Comprehensive Review and Other Measures No. 1) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Veterans' Affairs Legislation Amendment (Exempting Disability Payments from Income Testing and Other Measures) Bill 2021.</list>
<quote><para class="block">4. The committee deferred consideration of the following bills to its next meeting:</para></quote>
<list>Aged Care Amendment (Registered Nurses Ensuring Quality Care) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Air Services Amendment Bill 2018</list>
<list>Australian Federal Integrity Commission Bill 2021</list>
<list>Australian Research Council Amendment Bill 2021</list>
<list>Biosecurity Amendment (No Crime to Return Home) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Ensuring Voter Choice Through Optional Preferential Voting and the Robson Rotation) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Customs Legislation Amendment (Commercial Greyhound Export and Import Prohibition) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Discrimination Free Schools Bill 2018</list>
<list>Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Electoral Legislation Amendment (Voter Integrity) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Electric Vehicles Accountability Bill 2021</list>
<list>Fair Work Amendment (Improving Paid Parental Leave for Parents of Stillborn Babies) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Federal Environment Watchdog Bill 2021</list>
<list>Governor-General Amendment (Cessation of Allowances in the Public Interest) Bill 2019</list>
<list>Great Australian Bight Environment Protection Bill 2019</list>
<list>Health Insurance Amendment (Enhancing the Bonded Medical Program and Other Measures) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Health Insurance Legislation Amendment (Transparent Patient Outcomes) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Higher Education Support Amendment (2021 Measures No. 1) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Human Rights (Targeted Sanctions) Bill 2021</list>
<list>International Human Rights and Corruption (Magnitsky Sanctions) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Migration Amendment (New Maritime Crew Visas) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Migration Amendment (Temporary Visa Extension and Reinstatements) Bill 2021</list>
<list>National Health Amendment (Enhancing the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) Bill 2021</list>
<list>National Health Amendment (Pharmaceutical Benefits Transparency and Cost Recovery) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Offshore Petroleum and Greenhouse Gas Storage Amendment (Fight for Australia's Coastline) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Ozone Protection and Synthetic Greenhouse Gas Management Amendment (Miscellaneous Measures) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Ozone Protection and Synthetic Greenhouse Gas (Import Levy) Amendment Bill 2021</list>
<list>Ozone Protection and Synthetic Greenhouse Gas (Manufacture Levy) Amendment Bill 2021</list>
<list>Ransomware Payments Bill 2021 (No. 2)</list>
<list>Regional Forest Agreements Legislation (Repeal) Bill 2017</list>
<list>Snowy Hydro Corporatisation Amendment (No New Fossil Fuels) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Social Services and Other Legislation Amendment (Pension Loans Scheme Enhancements) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Social Services Legislation Amendment (Better Targeting Student Payments) Bill 2019</list>
<list>Social Services Legislation Amendment (Payment Integrity) Bill 2019</list>
<list>Spam Amendment (Unsolicited Political Communications) Bill 2021.</list>
<quote><para class="block">5. The committee considered the following bills but was unable to reach agreement:</para></quote>
<list>Corporations Amendment (Improving Outcomes for Litigation Funding Participants) Bill 2021</list>
<list>COVID-19 Vaccination Status (Prevention of Discrimination) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Religious Discrimination Bill 2021</list>
<list>Religious Discrimination (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2021</list>
<list>Human Rights Legislation Amendment Bill 2021.</list>
<quote><para class="block">(Dean Smith)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Chair</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2 December 2021</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> </para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appendix 1</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Name of bill:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Corporate Collective Investment Vehicle Framework and Other Measures Bill 2021</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reasons for referra1/principal issues for consideration:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Consideration of economy-wide impacts of Schedules 1-5, consideration of multinational tax evasion issues, consideration of the retirement income covenant, consideration of tax evasion issues arising from employee share schemes</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible submissions or evidence from:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Tax Institute of Australia, accountant bodies, tax academics, finance industry bodies</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Committee to which bill is to be referred:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senate Economics Legislation Committee</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible hearing date(s):</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">16 January 2022, 18 January 2022</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible reporting date:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">3 February 2022</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(signed)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A Urquhart</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Whip/Selection of Bills Committee member</para></quote>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the report be adopted.</para></quote>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to move the two circulated government amendments together.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKim</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>To be clear, Mr President: we're not seeking to deny leave for that, but we will be asking that the vote be put separately on those two amendments.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">At the end of the motion add "and, in respect of the Corporations Amendment (Improving Outcomes for Litigation Funding Participants) Bill 2021, the bill be referred immediately to the Economics Legislation Committee for inquiry and report by 3 February 2022".</para></quote>
<para>And I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">At the end of the motion, add "and the following bills not be referred to committees:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Religious Discrimination Bill 2021</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Religious Discrimination (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2021; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Human Rights Legislation Amendment Bill 2021".</para></quote>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I wish to speak in opposition to that amendment regarding the religious discrimination bills. It is quite outrageous that here are we, the Senate, the house of review—we have a Senate legislation committee that is set up to have legislation referred to it—and the government is explicitly saying that an incredibly far-reaching bill that would have an impact on people right across the country, a bill that would increase discrimination rather than reduce it, is not being referred to committee. Of course, I have an alternative amendment to the selection of bills to once again say that we should be referring the religious discrimination bill to the Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee. It's a government controlled committee. It's not as if it's anything extraordinary. It is just what the government should be doing. We want a referral to the Senate Legal and—</para>
<para>Honourable senators interjecting—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Waters, are you on your feet on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Waters</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes. The point of order is I can't hear what our speaker 30 centimetres away from me is saying over the interjections.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I agree. There were far too many interjections in the chamber. I call all senators to order. Senator Rice, you have the call.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>For the sake of the interjections: the position of the Greens is very clear that the religious discrimination bill should be referred to a Senate committee and that the reporting date should be at a time that gives the community ample opportunity to engage with it. As we know, since we discussed this at this time last week, the Attorney-General made the decision to send it off to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights, where submissions have to be in by 21 December—right in the lead-up to Christmas, less than three weeks away—and there are three hearings, one of which is on 21 December and the other two of which are on 13 and 14 January. There is not the time for the community to be able to engage with a bill of this consequence. It is totally disrespectful, right across the board, no matter which community member you are talking about. Whether it's those who want to see this bill to continue or those like us who feel that this is very bad legislation, regardless, it is important legislation and there should be ample opportunity for the community to be able to engage with it. We know from the commentary about this bill over the last weeks there is a lot of contradiction as to what this bill does. We have the government saying that it's not going to increase discrimination against people with disabilities, against women, against LGBTQIA+ people and then we have very eminent legal experts who say, yes, it will, and it is the most extreme overreach of the government to be overriding state and territory antidiscrimination provisions. It is a very significant piece of legislation. Our reading of it, which we want to have discussed in a proper, appropriate committee process, is that it will have the ability to increase discrimination, particularly through its overriding of state and territory antidiscrimination legislation.</para>
<para>So what we're asking for is for the Senate to do its job the way that it should be, to have proper processes with proper time lines so that people get the opportunity to contribute to our work and then end up with legislation that everyone is clear about what it does. We can then decide where we stand—for or against. I ask the government once again: this is what the Senate should be doing—we should be having a referral to the Senate committee and it should be a referral that gives people time to contribute. It is a small thing and it is what the community would be expecting.</para>
<para>Whether it's people of faith, whether it's people with disabilities, whether it's women, or whether it's lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer people in Australia, there is going to be a huge amount of interest in this bill. When I spoke to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights secretariat yesterday, they were overwhelmed with the thought of how they were going to cope with the number of submissions in the short time frame that had been given to them. It is proper process for a bill like this to go to a Senate committee to be properly considered so we can make sure that we are actually introducing legislation that is going to be decreasing discrimination rather than increasing discrimination.</para>
<para>I also now want to move my amendment as an amendment to the government's amendment that has been distributed in respect of the Religious Discrimination Bill 2021, the Religious Discrimination (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2021 and the Human Rights Legislation Amendment Bill.</para>
<para>I move as amendment to Gov2:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the bills be referred to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee for inquiry and report by 4 February 2022.</para></quote>
<para class="italic"><inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to make a few comments. We've made it really clear our unhappiness over the unilateral referral of the Religious Discrimination Bill to the Joint Standing Committee on Human Rights. Labor believe there should be a genuine inquiry that allows both MPs and senators to participate. Our preference was for a joint select committee to examine this issue before it's considered further in the House or the Senate but we were unsuccessful with that approach to the Morrison government. We also participated in and supported various inquiry referrals to the Senate on several occasions during this sitting period. I think those votes have been tied in every instance and lost, so we haven't been able to refer it to a Senate committee. All of those options were rejected by the Morrison government. We think it is really unfortunate that this resulted in deadlocked votes in this place and no results but this is the approach that the Morrison government has decided to take on this issue.</para>
<para>Labor do think that we should have been able to reach agreement across the chamber with everybody about how to proceed with an inquiry and it's most unfortunate that the government has been unwilling or unable to work with the Senate on that. We don't believe this position is going to change. We have been talking across chambers and to multiple people to convince the government to take a different path, and the government is refusing to do so. So we will be supporting the non-referral amendment by the government and we will also be working to make sure that the referral to the Joint Statutory Committee on Human Rights is a genuine inquiry and properly examines this very important issue before full consideration by the parliament.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Se</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>nator LAMBIE () (): I want to state the Jacqui Lambie Network's position on this. The state of Tasmania doesn't want to have a bar of this. They're very happy with the way our laws are down there. They are concerned that the laws, whichever way you move them, are going to come over the top of Tasmania. I can tell you that we won't be changing our vote. I will not be supporting this, and I've certainly had no indication from the Premier of Tasmania that he, let alone the people of Tasmania, supports it either.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>With the indulgence of the chamber, I am prepared to move an amendment to my amendment to the motion for the adoption of the report of the Selection of Bills Committee, such that the three bills that I have just requested not be referred—the Religious Discrimination Bill, the Religious Discrimination (Consequential Amendments) Bill and the Human Rights Legislation Amendment Bill—be referred to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee, with a reporting date of 4 February 2022, as we now know the sitting calendar for 2022. If the chamber is inclined to support that, I will move it.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We'll take that as an amendment to Senator Rice's date if it is agreed.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I understand it, that is the government putting back the position to where we started over a week ago.</para>
<para>Honourable senators interjecting—</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, we did, because it doesn't allow for a genuine, proper inquiry. That was the position we took then. Remember, we put to you that we would like an extra fortnight so that the inquiry was not conducted during Christmas and new year, and you rejected it. I think you're trying to be a bit clever and cute here after a week of deadlock. If the government is serious about this—I don't have instructions on it—I would seek a bit of time. I think we need to consult with others. Considering how this issue has been progressed and the level of interest in this referral, I don't think that, without proper instructions and the ability to consider this, we can deal with this matter right now. I would ask that we come back to it at some point through the formal business or just before we start motions.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I want to make a similar contribution. The issue of the timing is critical because 4 February, as per the inquiry that's under way by the joint standing committee, does not give the time for people to be able to contribute. It means that all of the activity is happening during the summer period when people are on holidays—and they deserve to be on holidays after the year that we've just had.</para>
<para>An honourable senator: Including the secretariat.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Including the secretariat, absolutely. Given Senator Gallagher's suggestion that we defer this, I would be happy to support deferring it to seek further advice. The problem of 4 February stands as it stood last week. The reporting date of mid-February is the absolute minimum that is needed for a bill of this import, and that's where I suspect we will end up.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I am in the hands of the chamber, if anyone wants to seek to do anything different; otherwise, I am going to put the question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We can deal with the other amendments—I'm happy with that—and then come back to that one, if that's acceptable to the chamber.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The chamber will defer consideration of these particular amendments to a later time, and we will return to government amendment No. 1 on sheet GOV1, moved by Senator Ruston. The question is that the motion be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of Senator Hanson, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">At the end of the motion, add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">"and, in respect of the COVID-19 Vaccination Status (Prevention of Discrimination) Bill 2021, the bill be referred immediately to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee for inquiry and report by 7 February 2022".</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>[by video link] This referral of the COVID-19 Vaccination Status (Prevention of Discrimination) Bill 2021, which I have put up, has been denied by this chamber on a couple of occasions. The people of Australia have shown that they do want to have a voice and that they want to have a say. I don't believe that the people of this chamber really understand the hurt and pain they're causing to the people of Australia, which is quite evident by the rallies that have been conducted around Australia. People have come out in their hundreds of thousands, and will continue to do so.</para>
<para>These people are not extremists. These are ordinary mums and dads, teachers, doctors, nurses and people who work in the fire brigade and police—just ordinary, everyday workers; those who work in retail outlets or who are construction workers. All these people have been denied their basic human right to make a choice about having a vaccination or not. These people are now losing their jobs and livelihoods. They're so distraught, distressed and hurt because they're being told what to do with their own bodies.</para>
<para>We don't have a pandemic. The last strain that they've said has come into the country, the omicron, was actually brought in by someone who was double-vaxxed. That's right: double-vaxxed. I don't know if people actually know the figures which have come out of Britain, but the number of people who are in hospital with COVID is greater for the double-vaxxed by 192 to those who aren't vaxxed at 112. So the push to have people vaccinated is only causing them more health issues. We've had 80,000 people who have actually recorded an adverse reaction to vaccinations through the TGA. We have people who have health issues now, especially young males with myocarditis or pericarditis, due to the vaccination. We have people who can't get to see a doctor, dentist or a psychologist unless they have been double-vaxxed. We have people who have left the armed services and who need to see a psychologist but they can't be seen now because they're not double-vaxxed. You people are causing more stress and harm—suicides, the breakup of families and the loss of jobs—by putting people in distress, and for what reason?</para>
<para>We were elected to be a voice for the people, and you are denying those people the right to have their say at a Senate committee inquiry. I don't understand that. Senator Rice got up and explained that for the proper process you actually have to give the people the right to speak on religious discrimination. You stood there, Senator Rice, and you were actually voting, saying that we must give the people this opportunity to have their say on such an important issue. Well, what's more important than the freedom of people to make a choice about what gets injected into their bodies?</para>
<para>Doctors have been shut down from having a say. Doctors are leaving the profession and nurses are leaving the profession because of COVID-19. It's got nothing to do with the fact that they're antivaxxers. They see the adverse reactions from this vaccine which are coming through in patients now.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">Honourable senators interjecting—</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Hospitals are denying people the right to go into [inaudible] because they haven't been double-vaxxed. I'm calling on this chamber: please give the people of this nation the opportunity to put their submissions in so that you can understand what is happening. You can't shut them down, that is not our job. Our job is to represent them and to hear their concerns. Let us make the right decisions on their behalf, and if my bill doesn't stand up then so be it.</para>
<para>What do you have to hide? Who are you protecting? This should not be political—and not about whether you hate me, or One Nation or our policies. It's not about me; it's about the people and their rights—and you are denying them their rights. My plea to each and every one of you is: give the people the opportunity to have their say, listen to them and then make your final decision with regard to the bill. Don't kill more people in this country than you already are. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I just want to make a short contribution in response to some of the things that Senator Hanson has said—and I will do this as unemotionally as I possibly can. I'm a big believer in people being able to utilise the committee process to express their views, but I will point out that, in this parliament, Senator Hanson has in fact voted against 40 per cent of all committee referrals. That includes committee referrals in relation to domestic violence, in particular against women and children; ministerial standards; the model for government investment in early childhood education and care; the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility Amendment (Extension and Other Measures) Bill; the Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill; the Ministerial Suitability Commission of Inquiry Bill; again, ministerial standards; and the current status of scientific advice to parliament. There have been a number of bills that Senator Hanson has simply denied the opportunity for people to engage in, through the inquiry process for the Senate to examine bills and issues before the Senate.</para>
<para>Senator Hanson, I think your bill is a sledgehammer in relation to dealing with some of the boundaries. I do accept that there are circumstances where people are possibly crossing the line and that it would be good to explore that—and I have made an offer, if you were to soften your bill. I recognise that there are cases for restrictions on people who have not been vaccinated—and Senator Lambie mentioned some of those in her contribution last week. I don't want to see people who are unvaccinated going into aged-care facilities. I think there are reasons to have restrictions, but I also wonder about the lines that are drawn around medical people refusing to see people who are unvaccinated. I think there are questions to be answered, but the bill that you've put up is just a sledgehammer. I ask you to reflect on all of the times—40 per cent of the times—that you have voted against the Senate conducting an inquiry into a particular matter.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESID</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the motion be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [11:42]<br />(The President—Senator Brockman)</p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>21</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Askew, W.</name>
                  <name>Birmingham, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                  <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                  <name>Davey, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                  <name>Fawcett, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                  <name>Hume, J.</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, B.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                  <name>Payne, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Seselja, Z. M.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. A. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Stoker, A. J.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>21</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Carr, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Cox, D.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Griff, S.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Kitching, K. J. E.</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>Lines, S.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J.</name>
                  <name>Patrick, R. L.</name>
                  <name>Rice, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, A. E. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Waters, L. J.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>16</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Abetz, E.</name>
                  <name>Bilyk, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Antic, A.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Green, N. L.</name>
                  <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                  <name>Keneally, K. K.</name>
                  <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C. A.</name>
                  <name>Wong, P.</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Hughes, H. A.</name>
                  <name>Watt, M. P.</name>
                  <name>McDonald, S. E.</name>
                  <name>Pratt, L. C.</name>
                  <name>McLachlan, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Polley, H.</name>
                  <name>McMahon, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Dodson, P.</name>
                  <name>Molan, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A.</name>
                  <name>Rennick, G.</name>
                  <name>Whish-Wilson, P. S.</name>
                  <name>Reynolds, L. K.</name>
                  <name>Farrell, D. E.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
                  <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V.</name>
                  <name>Van, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                </names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Senator Sterle did not vote, to compensate for the vacancy caused by the resignation of Senator Ryan.<br />Question negatived. </p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>[by video link] by leave—I ask that One Nation's support for the motion be reflected in the journals, please?</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It will so be reflected.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>President, just to be clear, are we going to the government amendment to Senator Rice's amendment No. 1?</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It is the government amendment to the Greens amendment. The amendment is the date.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Alright. I know we're running out of time. If that is the government's intention, Labor will support a referral to 4 February, but I would say what a shemozzle this has been. Going back to where we were last week where there were not one, two or three but I think four tied votes on this matter, and now we've ended up, basically, back where we were. We will reluctantly support this. We do, however, believe it needs a genuine and proper inquiry that allows everyone to participate. That is why we will support the referral to the 4th, because it does allow other senators to participate in it. But I again draw attention to the fact that this has been handled appallingly by the government on a matter that should be above some of the games that have been played. And I would urge those senators who want to participate to ensure that the inquiry that does go to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee is a proper and full inquiry that allows full participation not only by senators but also by all stakeholders who are invested in this matter.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Gallagher for her statement and her indication of the opposition's position on this. I welcome that. This will result in the precise referral that the government proposed last week actually happening—in terms of this bill and associated bills being referred to the Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee, and reporting by the date and in the times that the government had originally proposed. Had the Senate passed this last week—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Birmingham, the time for this debate has expired. The question is that the amendment moved by Senator Ruston to the amendment moved by Senator Rice to government amendment No. 2 to the motion be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Rice</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—Mr President, in the interests of time—and I know we have a lot to get through—I won't call for a division, but I want to put on notice that the Greens position on this government amendment was to reject it because we think that the 15th was a very appropriate reporting date.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We will record that.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Patrick</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like the same to be recorded: I would have preferred the 15th, and I would have voted against this amendment.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It will be so recorded, Senator Patrick. I put Senator Rice's amended motion, which is to amend government amendment No. 2.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will now put government amendment No. 2 as amended by Senator Rice's amended motion.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is now that the motion moved by Senator Smith, as amended, be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>7085</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Rearrangement</title>
          <page.no>7085</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) government business orders of the day as shown on the <inline font-style="italic">Order of Business</inline> be considered from 12.15 pm;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) government business then be called on and considered till not later than 1.30 pm; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) general business notice of motion no. 1296 be considered during general business today.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>7085</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Postponement</title>
          <page.no>7085</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>7086</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Senate Procedure Committee</title>
          <page.no>7086</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reporting Date</title>
            <page.no>7086</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:50):</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT (</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I remind senators that the question may be put on any proposal at the request of any senator.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>7086</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Leave Of Absence</title>
          <page.no>7086</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That leave of absence be granted to Senator Sheldon for 2 December for personal reasons.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>7086</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Postponement</title>
          <page.no>7086</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to postpone notice of motion No. 1, standing in my name for today, relating to a matter of privilege, until the first day of sitting next year.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to postpone business of the Senate notice of motion No. 1, standing in my name for today, until the first day of sitting next year.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Withdrawal</title>
          <page.no>7086</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I withdraw business of the Senate motion No. 2, standing in my name for today, which has been overtaken by events.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>7086</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19</title>
          <page.no>7086</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I, and also on behalf of Senator Wong, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes with concern reports of threats of violence towards health workers, health officials, premiers and elected officials in response to measures that have protected the lives and livelihoods of Australians throughout the COVID-19 pandemic;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on all Australians to undertake protests peacefully, respectfully and not engage in conduct that threatens peaceful activity across our country;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) notes that extremism in all forms tears apart the social fabric of Australia, in particular across our multicultural communities;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) condemns without reservation or qualification all threats, acts and incitement of violence, including any expressed at recent protests and online;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) further condemns individuals and extremist groups which seek to promote or incite violence, disinformation, neo-Nazism, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, fascism, communism, anarchism, racism and bigotry in our community;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(f) calls on all in public office to set an example by refraining from incitement of violence or threats of violence and the dissemination of disinformation;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(g) thanks all Australians who have accepted the health advice and worked together through the COVID-19 pandemic to keep each other safe, particularly the more than 19 million Australians who have already had at least one dose of a vaccination.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We support this motion, but it's interesting that you had to seek leave to move it, because the effect of your temporary order, which you'll soon be seeking to make permanent, would be to stop motions like this from even being debated on the floor of this chamber. Now, under your temporary order, which no doubt you'll deny me leave to speak on later, you would stop the Senate from moving motions about forming an opinion on something, you would stop concurrence motions and you would even stop censure motions.</para>
<para>People want us to be accountable on the issues that matter to them. They want us to come to Canberra and be clear about what we stand for. Speeches and debates are well and good, but, until you actually vote on something, nobody knows what you stand for. Motions have achieved so much in the past. We got the banking royal commission, the disability royal commission and the veterans royal commission through motions. We made progress on an ICAC because of motions. But you guys don't want to held accountable for what your positions are, and that's why, once again, you're ganging up to silence the rest of us. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>REGULATIONS AND DETERMINATIONS</title>
        <page.no>7087</page.no>
        <type>REGULATIONS AND DETERMINATIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Health Insurance (Extended Medicare Safety Net) Amendment (Indexation) Determination 2021</title>
          <page.no>7087</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of Senator Colbeck, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That, in accordance with subsection 10B(2) of the <inline font-style="italic">Health Insurance Act 1973</inline>, the Senate approves the Health Insurance (Extended Medicare Safety Net) Amendment (Indexation) Determination 2021, made under subsection 10B(1) of the Act on 21 November 2021.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>7087</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Senate Standing Orders</title>
          <page.no>7087</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I ask that government business notice of motion No. 3, proposing amendments to the standing orders, be taken as formal.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Is there any objection to the motion being taken as formal?</para>
<para>An honourable senator: Yes.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Birmingham and pursuant to contingent notice, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That so much of standing orders be suspended as would prevent the motion being moved immediately and determined without amendment or debate and ask that the question be put.</para></quote>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the motion to suspend the standing orders be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [11:59]<br />(The President—Senator Brockman)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>27</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Askew, W.</name>
                <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                <name>Davey, P. M.</name>
                <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                <name>Fawcett, D. J.</name>
                <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C. A.</name>
                <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                <name>Hume, J.</name>
                <name>Kitching, K. J. E.</name>
                <name>McGrath, J.</name>
                <name>McKenzie, B.</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                <name>Payne, M. A.</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L. K.</name>
                <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                <name>Seselja, Z. M.</name>
                <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                <name>Smith, D. A. (Teller)</name>
                <name>Stoker, A. J.</name>
                <name>Urquhart, A. E.</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>9</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Cox, D.</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                <name>Griff, S.</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                <name>McKim, N. J. (Teller)</name>
                <name>Patrick, R. L.</name>
                <name>Rice, J. E.</name>
                <name>Waters, L. J.</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names />
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the amendments to standing orders relating to the routine of business, formal motions and notices of motion agreed to as a temporary order on 24 June 2021 take effect as a permanent order, with the following changes:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Standing order 66(5)(a), after "legislation", insert "by the Senate".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Standing order 66(5)(c), after "the conduct of", insert "Senate or joint".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) Omit standing order 76(7A), substitute:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(7A) A general business notice of motion shall not exceed 200 words unless it is a motion for which a request for formality may be made in accordance with standing order 66(5).</para></quote>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [12:01]<br />(The President—Senator Brockman)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>29</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Askew, W.</name>
                <name>Birmingham, S. J.</name>
                <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                <name>Davey, P. M.</name>
                <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                <name>Fawcett, D. J.</name>
                <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C. A.</name>
                <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                <name>Hume, J.</name>
                <name>Kitching, K. J. E.</name>
                <name>McGrath, J.</name>
                <name>McKenzie, B.</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                <name>Payne, M. A.</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L. K.</name>
                <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                <name>Seselja, Z. M.</name>
                <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                <name>Smith, D. A. (Teller)</name>
                <name>Stoker, A. J.</name>
                <name>Urquhart, A. E.</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>9</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Cox, D.</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                <name>Griff, S.</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                <name>McKim, N. J. (Teller)</name>
                <name>Patrick, R. L.</name>
                <name>Rice, J. E.</name>
                <name>Waters, L. J.</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names />
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>7089</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Conservation Planning Decisions</title>
          <page.no>7089</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>7089</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of Senator Whish-Wilson I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for the Environment, by no later than 8 February 2022, all submissions made in respect of the public consultation on the proposed changes to conservation planning decisions, as advertised on the Department of Agriculture, Water and Environment website, which was open from 17 September to 2 November 2021.</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the motion be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [12:08]<br />(The President—Senator Brockman) </p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>22</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Carr, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Cox, D.</name>
                  <name>Farrell, D. E.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Griff, S.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Kitching, K. J. E.</name>
                  <name>Lines, S.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Patrick, R. L.</name>
                  <name>Rice, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, A. E. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Waters, L. J.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>24</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Birmingham, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                  <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                  <name>Davey, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                  <name>Fawcett, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C. A.</name>
                  <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                  <name>Hume, J.</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, B.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                  <name>Payne, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Reynolds, L. K.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Seselja, Z. M.</name>
                  <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. A. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Stoker, A. J.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>14</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Bilyk, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Abetz, E.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Van, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A.</name>
                  <name>Molan, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Dodson, P.</name>
                  <name>McMahon, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Green, N. L.</name>
                  <name>Rennick, G.</name>
                  <name>Keneally, K. K.</name>
                  <name>Askew, W.</name>
                  <name>Polley, H.</name>
                  <name>McLachlan, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Pratt, L. C.</name>
                  <name>McDonald, S. E.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V.</name>
                  <name>Antic, A.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                  <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Watt, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Hughes, H. A.</name>
                  <name>Whish-Wilson, P. S.</name>
                  <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                  <name>Wong, P.</name>
                  <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                </names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Senator Sterle did not vote, to compensate for the vacancy caused by the resignation of Senator Ryan.<br />Question negatived.</p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>7090</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>National Partnership Agreement on Stronger Futures in the Northern Territory</title>
          <page.no>7090</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>7090</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Indigenous Australians, by no later than 3.30 pm on Thursday, 9 December 2021, the most recent Stronger Futures package evaluation, due to be completed in 2019-20 under the National Partnership Agreement on Stronger Futures in the Northern Territory; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) if the Senate is not sitting when the documents are ready for presentation, the documents are to be presented to the President under standing order 166.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government does not support this motion, as it would serve to damage relationships between the Commonwealth and the states.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a one-minute statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>This is somewhat procedural in nature. I've just noticed that, with the change of arrangements we've got for the limitation on word counts and extraneous material, we may have placed ourselves in breach of Erskine May, back through section 49 of the Constitution. I just want to read from Erskine May—the 1893 version, which applies to us: 'but, however ample the power of each house to enforce production of papers, a sufficient cause must be shown for the exercise of that power and, if consideration of public policy can be urged against a motion for papers, it is either withdrawn or elsewise dealt with according to the judgement of the house'. We do not put any context around these orders for production, and I think that that is a breach of the obligations placed upon us by Erskine May through our Constitution and should be considered by the Senate.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm happy to have a look at that, Senator Patrick, but I will put the motion.</para>
<para>The question is that the motion be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [12:17]<br />(The President—Senator Brockman)</p>
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            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>22</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Ayres, T.</name>
                  <name>Carr, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R.</name>
                  <name>Cox, D.</name>
                  <name>Farrell, D. E.</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Griff, S.</name>
                  <name>Grogan, K.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Kitching, K. J. E.</name>
                  <name>Lines, S.</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J. R.</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D. M.</name>
                  <name>Patrick, R. L.</name>
                  <name>Rice, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Smith, M. F.</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, A. E. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Waters, L. J.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>23</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Brockman, W. E.</name>
                  <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                  <name>Davey, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                  <name>Fawcett, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C. A.</name>
                  <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                  <name>Hume, J.</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, B.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                  <name>Payne, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Reynolds, L. K.</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A.</name>
                  <name>Seselja, Z. M.</name>
                  <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. A. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Stoker, A. J.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>14</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Bilyk, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Abetz, E.</name>
                  <name>Brown, C. L.</name>
                  <name>Van, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A.</name>
                  <name>Molan, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Dodson, P.</name>
                  <name>McMahon, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Green, N. L.</name>
                  <name>Antic, A.</name>
                  <name>Keneally, K. K.</name>
                  <name>Askew, W.</name>
                  <name>Polley, H.</name>
                  <name>McLachlan, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Pratt, L. C.</name>
                  <name>McDonald, S. E.</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A. V.</name>
                  <name>Rennick, G.</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J. A.</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P. L.</name>
                  <name>Thorpe, L. A.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M. I.</name>
                  <name>Watt, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Hughes, H. A.</name>
                  <name>Whish-Wilson, P. S.</name>
                  <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Wong, P.</name>
                  <name>Birmingham, S. J.</name>
                </names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Senator Sterle did not vote, to compensate for the vacancy caused by the resignation of Senator Ryan.<br />Question negatived. </p>
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            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>7092</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Health Insurance Amendment (Enhancing the Bonded Medical Program and Other Measures) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7092</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Health Insurance Amendment (Enhancing the Bonded Medical Program and Other Measures) Bill 2021</span>
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        </subdebate.text><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7092</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This program is designed to address the doctor shortage across regional, rural and remote areas—a shortage that has just grown worse under the Morrison government. The purpose of the Health Insurance Amendment (Enhancing the Bonded Medical Program and Other Measures) Bill is to amend the Health Insurance Act 1973 to improve the implementation of the Bonded Medical Program and the administration of the Medical Rural Bonded Scholarship contracts under section 19 of the act.</para>
<para>The changes outlined in the bill are welcomed, but this bill will not address the difficulties Australians in outer metro, regional and rural areas have in accessing health care, including in seeing a GP. At a time when the government should be investing in Medicare and delivering more services to regional Australia, this government is doing the opposite. A lack of doctors and other medical professionals in regional and rural communities across Australia is not a new problem, but it's an even more pressing problem in the context of the COVID pandemic, which is why Labor has established a Senate Community Affairs Reference Committee inquiry into outer metro, rural and regional GPs and other healthcare services, which will consider the performance of programs such as the Bonded Medical Program. Labor has always supported defending and strengthening Medicare and to make sure all Australians have access to a GP, and we will continue to do so, but we support the legislation.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Gallagher for that contribution and commend the bill to the Senate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>7093</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As no amendments to the bill have been circulated, I shall call the minister to move the third reading unless any senator requires that the bill be considered in Committee of the Whole.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Electoral Legislation Amendment (Assurance of Senate Counting) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7093</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Electoral Legislation Amendment (Assurance of Senate Counting) Bill 2021</span>
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        </subdebate.text><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>7093</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7093</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Today I introduce the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Assurance of Senate Counting) Bill 2021. This Bill responds to recommendations from the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters <inline font-style="italic">Report on the conduct of the 2016 federal election and matters related thereto</inline>, and amends the <inline font-style="italic">Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918</inline> to assure the security, accuracy and transparency of the computerised scrutiny of Senate votes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill also makes technical amendments to streamline the process for counting Senate ballots in computerised scrutiny, and to clarify the procedure for resolving ties between candidates.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Security assurance</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill requires the Electoral Commissioner to arrange for a security risk assessment of the systems used for the computerised scrutiny of votes in a Senate election. The assessment must be conducted by an independent provider who is accredited by the Australian Signals Directorate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The assessment must be conducted before a Senate election, and following the assessment the Electoral Commissioner must publish a statement on the Australian Electoral Commission's website advising of its completion.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Ballot paper sampling</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill further requires the Electoral Commissioner to assure the accuracy of the computerised scrutiny of Senate votes by arranging a statistically significant sample of ballot papers to be checked during course of the scrutiny, at each counting centre. This will compare the electronic data captured by the computerised count with physical ballot papers.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Electoral Commissioner must publish the methodology to be used for the ballot sampling process and the process used for reconciling preferences before the election, as well as the outcomes of the sampling process after the election.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This ballot sampling process is not part of the scrutiny for the election. However, for transparency, scrutineers may inspect this process.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Right of scrutineers to access ballot papers</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Candidate scrutineers play an important role in the ensuring the transparency and integrity of Australia's electoral system. This Bill grants scrutineers the right to request a physical ballot paper to be recalled during the computerised scrutiny of Senate votes in cases where the scrutineer makes a challenge that is unable to be resolved on the scanned computer image of the ballot paper. This will allow the challenge to be resolved on the original, physical ballot paper.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Only an Australian Electoral Officer, a Commonwealth statutory office holder, may refuse a scrutineer's request. This request can be refused only if it would unreasonably delay the scrutiny of votes, due to multiple instances of frivolous or vexatious behaviour on account of the scrutineer, and where such behaviour could risk the return of the writs prior to the 1 July commencement of Senate terms.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Counting votes and publishing information</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill also makes a technical amendment to how ties between continuing candidates in a Senate election are resolved. This is to address any unintended results that may occur in the rare case of a tie between three or more candidates. It also ensures that in instances where two or more candidates are in an unbreakable tie during the count, that the exclusions are determined 'by lot', as occurs in the House of Representatives.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill further amends the Act to clarify that the 'bulk exclusion' process is not required to be used in the computerised scrutiny process. The 'bulk exclusion' process simplifies the manual counting of Senate ballot papers, but is unnecessary in a computerised count.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">To support transparency and public confidence in electoral outcomes, the Bill requires the Electoral Commissioner to publish detailed data on votes and preferences in a Senate election within seven days after the return of the writs.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Accuracy assurance</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill also requires, the Electoral Commissioner to arrange for an independent accuracy assessment of the counting software used in the computerised scrutiny of Senate votes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This highly technical assessment is to provide the public with confidence that the software used distributes preferences and counts votes in accordance with the processes set out in the Electoral Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Electoral Commissioner must publish a statement on the Australian Electoral Commission's website advising the software accuracy assessment has been completed, and to advise whether the accuracy of the software has been assured to the appropriate standard.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">No more than seven days before the election, the Electoral Commissioner must publicly verify that the software to be used in the computerised Senate scrutiny is the assured version, and must further advise of any variations to the software within seven days of the return of the writ.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Conclusi on</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill demonstrates the Government's commitment to supporting voter confidence in election processes and the legitimacy of election results, which is essential to the integrity of Australia's democracy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I commend the Bill to the House.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLA</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>GHER (—) (): Labor will be supporting the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Assurance of Senate Counting) Bill 2021. The bill does two main things: it requires the AEC to commission and audit a risk assessment of the counting and scrutiny software used in a Senate election and it amends the way ties between candidates in the Senate election are resolved.</para>
<para>The bill has the aim of enhancing the transparency and integrity of our election counting system. We know that we have one of the best electoral systems in the world. The independent AEC operates with the utmost integrity and rigour and does everything right to ensure a fair and accurate election result. Nevertheless, there will always, unfortunately, be detractors and those who question the result, even when there is not a shred of evidence about anything but an accurate and transparent outcome.</para>
<para>We remain concerned about the messaging coming from some in this place that is designed to cast doubts on the integrity of our electoral system and to undermine our democracy. The AEC already has a robust system for assurance and transparency of its software systems; however, we are satisfied that this bill will assist in providing increased confidence to the voting public and, indeed, to parties and candidates.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This Electoral Legislation Amendment (Assurance of Senate Counting) Bill addresses an important issue regarding the transparency of the Senate ballot count. It's an issue that's been consistently raised in submissions to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters, on which I sit, and it's an issue on which the Greens proposed amendments to address several months ago. I want to say unequivocally that Australia has an electoral system to be proud of. There is no evidence of widespread inaccuracies in the current count. However, greater transparency always leads to greater public trust that electoral processes are robust and best practice. We've seen recent international experiences where a lack of transparency, and doubt, have been weaponised to undermine confidence in election outcomes. We saw these very dangerous tactics and false narratives start to circulate around the government's proposed voter ID bill. It was fanned by conservative voices more interested in importing American unrest than ensuring that everyone gets a vote. We were glad to see the voter ID bill dropped from the program and hope that it never returns.</para>
<para>The improvements to transparency and scrutiny of the ballot count proposed in this bill are welcome. They will help Australia to avoid seeds of doubt being used to destabilise public trust in democracy, which is already at an all-time low, and to reduce faith in election outcomes. This bill would be strengthened by requiring scrutineers to have access to digitised records prior to overseeing the audit, and requiring audit reports to be tabled in parliament rather than just a summary published by the AEC, as our amendments would have earlier achieved. However, these are measures that can be implemented with the goodwill of the AEC, and the Greens will push for them to do so as the audit process is rolled out. We support the bill.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>One Nation want to acknowledge the government's work on this and we also want to acknowledge some facts on the history of this Electoral Legislation Amendment (Assurance of Senate Counting) Bill. We applaud the government for its work. We first raised this issue in the bill that I put forward. That bill was voted down. We want to acknowledge that the facts of the matter are that we found that the Senate election has never been audited properly and never been independently audited properly. We had some conversations at Senate estimates with the Australian Electoral Commission. They weren't satisfactory. We put together a bill and that was defeated, but it went then to the government. I want to applaud the government for taking up the bill and putting forward the bill, largely in much the same format and content as we originally proposed it. We acknowledge the government because it is very, very important in the Senate election that people can have confidence in the result of the Senate voting.</para>
<para>So this bill will now require an audit before the Senate election and immediately after the Senate election. That way we and the people of Australia will be very happy—or reassured—that the election is in fact representing the people's will.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank all senators for their contributions. I commend the bill to the Senate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>7095</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As no amendments to the bill have been circulated, I shall call the minister to move the third reading, unless any senator requires that the bill be considered in Committee of the Whole.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Electoral Legislation Amendment (Contingency Measures) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7096</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Electoral Legislation Amendment (Contingency Measures) Bill 2021</span>
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        </subdebate.text><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>7096</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7096</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I table a revised explanatory memorandum relating to the bill and I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">ELECTORAL LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (CONTINGENCY MEASURES) BILL 2021</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">SECOND READING SPEECH</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Today I introduce the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Contingency Measures) Bill 2021.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Elections are a critical part of Australia's system of representative government. It is vital to the continuing success of Australia's democracy that Australians are able to participate in the electoral process, and exercise their franchise safely, whatever the situation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill future-proofs the <inline font-style="italic">Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918,</inline> by enabling the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) to duly conduct elections in situations where a Commonwealth emergency declaration is in place.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The measures in this Bill respond to recommendations of the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters <inline font-style="italic">Report of the </inline><inline font-style="italic">inquiry on the future conduct of elections operating during times of emergency situations. </inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Modification powers</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill introduces powers for the Electoral Commissioner to make limited operational modifications to the Electoral Act by legislative instrument where a Commonwealth emergency law is in force, to a region, or sub-region covered by the emergency law.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The modification powers granted to the Electoral Commissioner are limited to the following in the specified emergency area:</para></quote>
<list>Expanding the grounds on which a person can apply for postal or pre-poll vote;</list>
<list>Extending the period during which applications for pre-poll votes may be made to a pre-poll voting officer;</list>
<list>Adjusting the number of scrutineers a group of candidates is entitled to be represented by at a Senate scrutiny being undertaken in an emergency area.</list>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill also enables the Electoral Commissioner to allow persons to travel, or be present for campaigning activities within 100 metres of a polling place, and actions under the Electoral Act, such as the ballot draw or attend the scrutiny.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These modification powers can only be exercised when a Commonwealth emergency law is in force and the emergency interferes with the safe conduct of an election. Modifications will also be limited to the specified geographical area affected by the emergency. The specified area can be a subset of the area affected by the emergency law.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Before making a modification, the Electoral Commissioner will be required to notify the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition in writing, including the reasons why any modifications are considered necessary.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Electoral Commissioner will also be required to publish the legislative instrument detailing these modifications on the AEC website as well as the Federal Register of Legislation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This modification power can only be in effect for as long as the Commonwealth emergency law is in force or until the return of the writs for the election, whichever occurs first.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Temporary suspension and adjournment of the polling</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill amends the existing power to adjourn or temporarily suspend the polling by up-lifting the decision-making authority from the presiding officer of each polling place to the Electoral Commissioner.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This amendment aligns the power to temporarily suspend or adjourn polling with the decision making authority of the Electoral Commissioner, reflecting the significance of the decision to adjourn or suspend polling as a measure of last resort.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Where polling has been adjourned, the commencement of the scrutiny of House of Representatives votes for that Division will be delayed until the close of polls for the adjourned polling place.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">While the scrutiny of Senate ballots can proceed, the release of any information about the Senate election in a Division where polling has been adjourned will also be prohibited. This prohibition is lifted following the close of polls at the adjourned polling.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This is to protect the integrity of the election result by ensuring electors can cast their vote free from the influence of any indicative results which may have otherwise been released.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Postal Voting</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill also provides additional flexibility for the AEC when printing postal vote certificates, to assist in managing the heightened demand for postal votes along with supply chain disruptions that can occur in emergency situations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This amendment safeguard electors' ability to cast a postal vote in an emergency situation if they are unable to attend a polling place.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Conclusion</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These amendments will assist the AEC to conduct safe, efficient and timely elections, and ensure continued public confidence in Australian elections.</para></quote>
</speech>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor will be supporting the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Contingency Measures) Bill 2021. The bill has come about from a recommendation by the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters from its inquiry into the conduct of elections during times of emergency situations. The coronavirus pandemic was the obvious catalyst for that inquiry, but we know that climate change means we will increasingly be experiencing catastrophic bushfires and floods, and the Electoral Commission must be able to conduct elections safely in these times of emergency. This bill assists them to do that.</para>
<para>The Electoral Legislation Amendment (Contingency Measures) Bill will give the electoral commissioner additional flexibility for the conducting of an election. It will allow the electoral commissioner to extend the prepoll period, expand the reasons a person may exercise a prepoll or postal vote, adjust the numbers of scrutineers, and allow candidates and volunteers to travel for the purposes of canvassing for votes, handing out how-to-vote cards and putting up election posters. Providing the electoral commissioner with contingency powers will ensure that if there is an emergency situation the core activities required for an election can still be conducted. It will also ensure the safety of voters, candidates and their volunteers, and the 100,000 AEC staff that will be required at the next election.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Australian Greens support this bill. The Electoral Legislation Amendment (Contingency Measures) Bill 2021 will allow some flexibility for the conduct of elections impacted by emergencies such as bushfires or pandemics. Given the uncertainty regarding public health requirements and the increased likelihood of climate induced emergencies in the future, it is important to ensure that fair and democratic elections can still be held. We support the measures provided in this bill for that to happen.</para>
<para>These provisions to accommodate emergency situations would also support the introduction of fixed term elections. Fixed term elections remove the strategic advantage that incumbent governments get when the Prime Minister has discretion to call an election when they choose. Here we are, on the last sitting day of the year, and we are still not able to say with certainty that we will come back before an election. Without fixed terms, governments can call an election when public opinion is most favourable to them. They can ride out scandals—or at least try to. When the election date is known only to the government, they can strategically ramp up advertising on key issues ahead of the official public announcement of the election date. It's a strategic advantage that other parties, Independents and new candidates do not enjoy. Fixed-term elections help level the playing field for smaller parties, Independents and third parties with less capacity to plan, prepare and fund election campaigns.</para>
<para>With the changes set out in this bill, the benefits of fixed-term elections could be achieved while still providing flexibility in emergency situations. The Australian Greens support fixed-term elections and we'll continue to call for them. We support this bill.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I commend the bill to the Senate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
</speech>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>7098</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As no amendments to the bill have been circulated, I shall call the minister to move the third reading unless any senator requires that the bill be considered in Committee of the Whole.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Veterans' Affairs Legislation Amendment (Exempting Disability Payments from Income Testing and Other Measures) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7098</page.no>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>7098</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
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  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7098</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">The Government's commitment to improving support to veterans never stops. Today I introduce legislation to the Senate that will cut red-tape and streamline assistance to veterans and improve their wellbeing.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government's reforms address recommendations made by Mr David Tune AO PSM in his <inline font-style="italic">Independent Review into the </inline><inline font-style="italic">TPI Payment </inline>and the Productivity Commission's report <inline font-style="italic">A Better Way to Suppor</inline><inline font-style="italic">t Veterans</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government has listened to the needs of the veteran community and announced through the 2021-22 Budget its intention to bring forward these important changes to 1 January 2022 − more than eight months earlier than first announced.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These reforms will simplify the administration of some payments for veterans and their dependents.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This will be done by exempting Disability Payments from Income Testing under the <inline font-style="italic">Social Security Act 1991 </inline>for 14,000 veterans and dependents.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will also increase access to rent assistance for our most disabled veterans.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This will benefit approximately 6,900 veterans and their dependents.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Specifically, the first Schedule will implement the Government's commitment to exempt the Adjusted Disability Pension − defined in the <inline font-style="italic">Veterans' Entitlements Act 1986</inline> − from the income test under the <inline font-style="italic">Social Security Act</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This will remove the need for the Defence Force Income Support Allowance, known as DFISA.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Introduced in 2004, DFISA was paid as a top-up to ensure that veterans who received an age pension under the <inline font-style="italic">Social Security Act</inline>,were not financially disadvantaged.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Changes in this schedule will ensure that veterans will receive the same payment as before, but the administrative process will be much simpler.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">While an administrative change, this will make DFISA redundant and this Bill will remove all relevant references to DFISA from the <inline font-style="italic">Veterans' Entitlements Act</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The second Schedule will remove the 'disability income rent test' from the <inline font-style="italic">Veterans' Entitlements Act</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This will mean that disabled veterans will now have access to the same rent assistance as those who receive it from Centrelink.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This will increase rent assistance payable, or enable some disabled veterans to receive rent assistance for the first time.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The 'disability income rent test' results in severely disabled veterans receiving less rent assistance than those with a lower level of disability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In particular, this measure will benefit Totally and Permanently Incapacitated (TPI) veterans who presently do not receive any rent assistance due to the amount of compensation they receive.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The third Schedule will remove references to the term 'Disability Pension' in the <inline font-style="italic">Veterans' Entitlements Act</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In future, this payment will be referred to as the 'Disability Compensation Payment'.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This change will clarify that these payments are compensation and will reduce the potential for the payment to be confused with Department of Social Services disability support pensions.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The measures contained in these first three Schedules will commence on 1 January 2022.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill's fourth Schedule relates to the simplification of pension indexation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Currently the Extreme Disablement Adjustment, Intermediate Rate and Special Rate pensions − colloquially known as the 'TPI payment' − are split into two components for indexation purposes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Each is indexed separately.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The fourth Schedule will remove this anomaly, so that the whole amount is indexed as one.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This measure will commence on 20 September 2022.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This will simplify DVA's legislation, policy and procedures.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It will also help avoid confusion for veterans about the purpose and structure of the Extreme Disablement Adjustment, Intermediate and Special rates of disability pension.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The fifth Schedule in the Bill introduces a pilot program for earlier access to rehabilitation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This non-liability rehabilitation pilot will enable individuals to commence DVA-funded rehabilitation before a liability decision has been made under the <inline font-style="italic">Milit</inline><inline font-style="italic">ary Rehabilitation and Compensation Act 2004</inline> or the <inline font-style="italic">Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation (Defence-related Claims) Act 1988.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government announced this measure in the 2021-22 Budget in response to Recommendation 6.3 from the Productivity Commission's Report <inline font-style="italic">A Better Way to Support Veterans</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Report had noted that existing legislative requirements made it challenging to provide timely rehabilitation services.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Under these amendments, a two-year pilot will be established to bridge that gap to enable veterans to start their rehabilitation program sooner.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This measure aims to encourage, and enable access to, voluntary rehabilitation for 100 veterans for each of the two years of the pilot.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As the Australian Defence Veterans' Covenant states: 'For what they have done, this we will do'.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australia owes a great debt of gratitude to all our veterans.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill provides new measures to better support the wellbeing of them and their families.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We want our veterans to know that Australia is proud of them and that our country will always be there for them.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor will be supporting the Veterans' Affairs Legislation Amendment (Exempting Disability Payments from Income Testing and Other Measures) Bill 2021 as it will improve and streamline assistance to veterans and improve their wellbeing. However, we know it's not what most totally and permanently incapacitated veterans want. We know that most want an increase in the TPI payment.</para>
<para>Labor condemns the Morrison-Joyce government for its failure to accept the recommendation of the recent Senate inquiry that the TPI payment be increased. This would ensure that our most disabled veterans are not left behind. The government's response to this bipartisan inquiry was a huge slap in the face for Australia's 27,000 TPI veterans, and it goes to show that this is a government that's all about the announcement but never about delivery when it comes to Australia's veterans.</para>
<para>The Australian Federation of Totally and Permanently Incapacitated Ex-Servicemen and Women has been raising the issue of the TPI payment for several years, but the government has completely ignored their concerns. Before the 2019 election the Prime Minister effectively promised to increase the payment, but since then he has ignored the pleas of TPI veterans, and his own colleagues' advice, and failed to raise the pension. After sitting on a review of the TPI payment for more than a year Scott Morrison announced in last year's budget that he would only provide rent assistance to a small proportion of TPI veterans, leaving most disgusted that they would miss out. In response to Labor's questions in Senate estimates last year, it was revealed that these benefits would not start to flow until September 2022 when they make changes to legislation and IT systems. It's good they've brought this forward to January 2022, following pressure from Labor and TPI veterans, but they're cutting it fine to have them pass.</para>
<para>So Labor will not stand in the way of this legislation but, along with many TPI veterans, we believe these tokenistic measures are just not good enough and that our veterans and families deserve much better.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CICCONE</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As Senator Gallagher has already mentioned, Labor knows that our veterans need more assistance. While the changes being proposed today are relatively modest at best, as foreshadowed by my colleagues earlier, we will be supporting this bill on the understanding that it is a positive step in supporting those who have served our nation. There can be no greater undertaking that a citizen can pursue for their country than to put their life in danger to see its interests advanced abroad and to secure the safety of their neighbour. I'm certain that those who sit with us in this chamber who have undertaken to provide such service to their nation will attest, with their own personal experience, to the sacrifice that is involved. It is a sacrifice that is made gladly but a sacrifice nonetheless. As those who sit in this place with the responsibility of providing for these dedicated men and women post service, it is incumbent upon us all to never forget the solemn debt we owe these Australians. Indeed, some may say this debt is one we can never hope to repay, yet it falls to us to do whatever little we can to strive towards this most noble end.</para>
<para>This bill contains some commonsense changes that will simplify and streamline assistance to veterans. It addresses recommendations that were made by David Tune's 2019 review. Exempting disability payments from income testing, as proposed by this bill, will simplify the payment arrangements for many veterans and dependants—around 14,000. It will also increase access to rent assistance for many in the veterans community; around 7,000 veterans and their dependants will benefit. While any measure that helps our veterans is certainly welcome, it is hard not to see this proposed legislation as somewhat tokenistic when TPI veterans are asking for an increase in their payments.</para>
<para>The Australian Federation of Totally and Permanently Incapacitated Ex Servicemen and Women highlighted that the government's rent-assistance changes in response to the Tune review benefited only 10 per cent of veterans. They rightly argued that all veterans relying on TPI payments need a substantial increase. In response to the TPI federation's concerns, Labor initiated an inquiry into the payment, which recommended an increase, but the government has refused. This has left many of us wondering why the coalition government continues to ignore the Senate inquiry's recommendations with regard to increasing such payments. Why is it that the Morrison government is ignoring calls from our veteran community to increase these payments? Deep down, many of us already know the answer to these questions. Put simply, it's because this government thinks it can simply walk away from the problem. The coalition appears to view our veterans, particularly those who are struggling through no fault of their own, as just another political problem, just another topic to spin an answer to until the news cycle moves on, or until the election. We must condemn this government's refusal to accept the recommendations of the bipartisan Senate inquiry. It's an insult to the 27,000 Australian veterans who depend on TPI payments.</para>
<para>This government is so caught up in crisis after crisis that it has forgotten why we're all here. We're here to serve the Australian community. While we will of course have different ideas about how to solve the problems that our country faces, surely we can all agree that our national government must provide more support for those who served their country and their families and who have made the sacrifices defending our rights and liberties. Unlike the Morrison-Joyce government, Labor treats the concerns of our veterans seriously—not as a political problem to be dealt with or managed. No matter the political challenges, no matter what other priorities a government may have, we must always put the welfare of our veterans first. We had a unanimous recommendation from the bipartisan Senate inquiry this year to increase the TPI payment. But every day that has passed since is just another day that this Prime Minister and his government has ignored our veterans.</para>
<para>We are glad that the pressure from Labor and the TPI Federation has pushed the government to bring this rent assistance measure forward from their original commencement date of 20 September 2022 to 1 January 2022. While, as I said, these measures are welcome and have Labor's support, it must be recognised that there is still much more for us to do in this place to improve the welfare of our veterans in this country.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I commend the Veterans' Affairs Legislation Amendment (Exempting Disability Payments from Income Testing and Other Measures) Bill 2021 to the Senate. I thank senators for their contributions.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>7101</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>No amendments to the bill have been circulated. Does any senator require a committee stage? If not, I call the minister to move the third reading.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7101</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Electoral Legislation Amendment (Annual Disclosure Equality) Bill 2021</span>
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            <title>In Committee</title>
            <page.no>7101</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I remind the chamber that the amendments before the chamber are to have disclosure around when people pay above a reasonable price for having a meal with a politician, be they a prime minister, a minister or an influential shadow minister. I have no issue with people going to dinner with parliamentarians. They shouldn't have to pay to do so. I think it's reasonable to recover the fee that is involved in serving a meal, but once the cost of the event gets above 15 per cent above the cost of the meal there needs to be some disclosure so that we don't have people dishing out large amounts of money just to be in the presence of someone. I think that's very wrong and un-Australian.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor won't be supporting these amendments by Senator Lambie and Senator Patrick. Our policy is for increased transparency through a lower disclosure threshold and real-time disclosure of donations. We welcome support by senators for Labor's bills currently on the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline> for real-time disclosure and a disclosure threshold of $1,000. All electoral reform requires consideration. The issues raised by these amendments require further discussion and review. These amendments had not been discussed before with the opposition, and we haven't had time to discuss them with Senator Patrick or, indeed, have consultations across the opposition. We won't be supporting them.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The government opposes these amendments. The amendments are not required and reflect a misunderstanding of how the law currently works. The existing law already requires disclosure of fundraising through dinner events to raise funds for federal electioneering. If a ticket to a federal fundraising event is higher than the cost of the event to any degree then that profit element is already defined as a gift under the Electoral Act and must be declared.</para>
<para>These amendments introduce a new concept of a shared event cost that's not limited to events for electoral purposes. They would therefore apply to events that are completely unrelated to elections. This goes beyond the scope of the Electoral Act and would burden organisations from holding events—for example, for non-electoral charitable purposes. Acting in conjunction with other amendments moved by Senators Lambie and Patrick of a $1,000 disclosure threshold, the amendments could mean that attending a $30 morning tea with 50 guests could make the event go over the threshold and require every attendee's home address to be published online in perpetuity. This is, frankly, impractical. It is unnecessary and overreaches—outside the legitimate purposes of the federal electoral donation laws.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The TEMPORARY CHAIR</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the amendments be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
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                  <name>Faruqi, M.</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J.</name>
                  <name>McKim, N. J. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Patrick, R. L.</name>
                  <name>Rice, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Waters, L. J.</name>
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              <noes>
                <num.votes>22</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Askew, W.</name>
                  <name>Bragg, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Canavan, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Cash, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Chandler, C.</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R. M.</name>
                  <name>Davey, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J. R.</name>
                  <name>Fawcett, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C. A.</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, K. R.</name>
                  <name>Henderson, S. M.</name>
                  <name>Hume, J.</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J.</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J. W.</name>
                  <name>Scarr, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Small, B. J.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Stoker, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Walsh, J. C.</name>
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              </noes>
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                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.<br />Bill agreed to.<br />Bill reported without amendment; report adopted.</p>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>7102</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DUNIAM</name>
    <name.id>263418</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>7102</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Leave Of Absence</title>
          <page.no>7102</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That leave of absence be granted to Senator Thorpe for 2 December for personal reasons.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>7103</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
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          <title>Territories Stolen Generations Redress Scheme (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2021, Territories Stolen Generations Redress Scheme (Facilitation) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7103</page.no>
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                  <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Territories Stolen Generations Redress Scheme (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2021</span>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Territories Stolen Generations Redress Scheme (Facilitation) Bill 2021</span>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7103</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak in support of this bill, the Territories Stolen Generations Redress Scheme (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2021, and the related bill, the Territories Stolen Generations Redress Scheme (Facilitation) Bill 2021. I start by welcoming the introduction of a Stolen Generations Redress Scheme for the areas of the Commonwealth where children were removed from their families. These bills are long overdue and Labor hopes to see their speedy and effective implementation. I'm grateful that the government has adopted what has been a very important and longstanding Labor commitment to redress for the members of the stolen generation taken from families in Commonwealth jurisdictions. Labor took a stolen generations reparations commitment to the last election on very similar terms to the bill before the Senate today.</para>
<para>For more than 60 years after 1910, Australian governments took children from their homes in the wrong attempt to assimilate them into white society. It was the <inline font-style="italic">Bringing them home</inline> report, published more than 24 years ago, which elevated the experiences of the individuals affected by this policy, documenting the harrowing testimonies and submissions about the removal and institutionalisation of First Nations children. These testimonies revealed the destructive impact of the child removal policy, which did not only go on for decades but also affected families across multiple generations. In one testimony, Evie, a stolen generation member from the Northern Territory, told the royal commission how the removal of children from her family had started with her grandmother, how it had continued across four generations, causing permanent scarring to so many lives, and how it had ingrained a loss of trust in the public institutions whose first duty is to protect. It's a harrowing retelling, and I hope I can give it the voice her story deserves.</para>
<para>Evie's grandmother was taken from Tennant Creek to The Bungalow at Alice Springs, a state home for First Nations children taken from their families, where she had two children—Evie's mum and Evie's uncle—to the Aboriginal Protection Officer. Evie's grandmother said she had no say in that and she was only 14 years old. Evie says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">When she was 15 and a half they took her to Hermannsburg and married her up to an Aranda man. That's a no-no.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">… when Mum was 3, they ended up taking Mum from Hermannsburg, putting her in The Bungalow until she was 11. And then they sent her to Mulgoa mission in New South Wales. From there they sent her to Carlingford Girls' Home to be a maid.</para></quote>
<para>Evie's mum tried to get back to the Northern Territory. She had a little baby and she wanted to get home, but she had no money because she wasn't being paid. Evie told the royal commission that her mum just kept asking the authorities for her wages. When initially refused, in the end the authorities told Evie's mother she would get her wages but needed to leave her baby behind. So she left her baby—Evie's brother—and went back to the Northern Territory, where she had Evie and four other children. Each child was taken away almost as they were born and sent south for adoption.</para>
<para>Evie tells us:</para>
<quote><para class="block">One of them came back in 1992. He just has that many problems. The others – we don't know where they are. So it's like we've still got a broken family.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I was taken away in 1950 when I was 6 hours old from hospital and put into Retta Dixon until I was 2 months old and then sent to Garden Point. I lived in Garden Point until 1964.</para></quote>
<para>Of her time at Garden Point, Evie says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… I always say that some of it was the happiest time of my life; others it was the saddest time of my life. The happiest time was, 'Yippee! all these other kids there'. You know, you got to play with them every day. The saddest times were the abuse. Not only the physical abuse, the sexual abuse by the priests over there. And they were the saddest because if you were to tell anyone, well, the priests threatened that they would actually come and get you.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">… And just every day you used to get hidings with the stock-whip. Doesn't matter what you did wrong, you'd get a hiding with the stock-whip.</para></quote>
<para>…   …   …</para>
<quote><para class="block">In 1977 I had three children. … All those kids were taken off me. The reason behind that was, well, I'd asked my girl-friend and so-called sister-in-law if she could look after my kids … while I was in hospital for three months …</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I couldn't get my kids back when I came out of hospital. And I fought the welfare system for ten years and still couldn't get 'em. I gave up after ten years. …</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">And with my daughter, well she came back in '88 but things just aren't working out there. She blames me for everything that went wrong. She's got this hate about her – doesn't want to know. The two boys know where I am but turned around and said to us, 'You're not our mother – we know who our real mother is'.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">So every day of your bloody life you just get hurt all the time …</para></quote>
<para>So even now these past policies continue to have a devastating effect on the lives of Stolen Generations members and their families.</para>
<para>It was the final <inline font-style="italic">Bringing them home</inline> report that included a recommendation on the need for reparation, because it is the act of reparation that is the measure of genuine reconciliation and healing. The report also recommended a national apology from the Australian government. In February 2008, Labor Prime Minister Kevin Rudd delivered on that recommendation and apologised—13½ years ago. In his apology, the former Prime Minister properly recognised the systemic abuses inflicted upon members of the Stolen Generations. The apology was a very important first step in formally recognising the extent of the pain and suffering inflicted upon the Stolen Generations. It served as a powerful acknowledgement of the past and opened the door for the reparations we see in this bill today. As a parliament and as a country we had failed, and we had failed one of the most important duties that we can have as a country: to do no harm to our children. Kevin Rudd's National Apology to the Stolen Generations on behalf of the country and the parliament was a powerful recognition of that fact.</para>
<para>There are current members of this Senate who were present for that apology, and I hope I can speak for everyone here today when I say that we all remain truly sorry.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BRAGG</name>
    <name.id>256063</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I would like to make a couple of statements on this important bill, the Territories Stolen Generations Redress Scheme (Facilitation) Bill 2021 and the related bill. One of the things that we have been doing in this parliament is to have served with some important historical figures, like the minister for Indigenous affairs, Ken Wyatt. I know that he's a good friend to many in this chamber, across the aisle. From our side, I want to acknowledge his significant contribution to Australia and in bringing together this legislation.</para>
<para>Of course, his mother, Mona, was a member of the Stolen Generations. She spent a large part of her life at the Roelands mission. Mr Wyatt himself has talked about the Wiradjuri elder, Isabel Reid, who was born in Wagga Wagga in 1932. The minister said that one afternoon she was walking home from school with her brother and sister when she was taken from her family by the government. Her parents did not know what happened to their children. That is the most harrowing set of words that I can imagine reading or hearing, and it's about our government. It's about historical judgements made by the governments of Australia and of the states of Australia, and it is a great shame. And it's still having a big impact.</para>
<para>It's obvious, when we travel around a state like New South Wales, which has the largest Indigenous population of any of the states, that the intergenerational trauma and impacts of these disgusting policies are real. So the least we can do is to make this small but important gesture at this stage, when many of these people are elderly. But it's an important gesture. No-one is ever going to say that any amount of money is worth a life but, in this case, it's very important that we put in place this financial compensation scheme to acknowledge for all time the wrongness of the policies that were put in place many decades ago but which are still reverberating today.</para>
<para>I want to acknowledge all the work that has been done on this and all the bipartisan support that will come for this important bill. And I acknowledge, again—although I wasn't here for it some 12 years ago—that the apology was a very important moment. But there is still much work to do and I am personally committed to doing whatever I can do while I'm in this place.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Firstly, I would like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to and acknowledge the work of Harold Furber, who passed away peacefully last month, surrounded by family. Mr Furber was born in Alice Springs in 1952 and, in 1957, was taken from his mother to the Croker Island Methodist Mission. He was taken, along with his younger sister, when he was only four years old, and they were eventually separated too. Mr Furber was instrumental in bringing together many voices of the stolen generations. His work with the Central Australian Stolen Generation and Families Aboriginal Corporation created a stronger, united voice for members of the stolen generation right across the Northern Territory. He was a talented footy player. He rubbed shoulders with the great players of his day at the North Adelaide Football Club in the early seventies. Determined to find his sister, he signed up with a Queensland footy team, which gave him the opportunity to search for her. He eventually succeeded and was able to attend her wedding. Mr Furber worked tirelessly to advocate for survivors and had called for a reparations package for years. One year after former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd delivered his historic apology speech, in 2008, Mr Furber felt the apology was empty, with nothing practical being done. He said there was a lot of euphoria and excitement after the speech, but he felt as though the Commonwealth had quickly turned its back on survivors in the Northern Territory.</para>
<para>Here, today, we do see those concerns addressed in the best possible way for the moment. Clearly, as the previous speakers have said, no amount of money can really compensate for the incredible loss of so many members of the stolen generations not just in the Northern Territory but right across Australia. Until now, Territory survivors haven't been given the same respect and recognition as survivors living in some states. In April this year, around 800 stolen generations survivors in the Northern Territory launched a class action against the Commonwealth government. This class action came after many years of federal government inaction on the issue. The lead litigant, Eileen Cummings, was only four when she was taken from her family in the 1940s. Backed by lived experience, survivors like Ms Cummings have shown great strength and bravery in challenging the government and all political members, whether in government or not, for recognition. Without their fierce advocacy, I'm sure we wouldn't have this scheme here today.</para>
<para>Aunty Maisie Austin, the CEO of the Northern Territory Stolen Generations Aboriginal Corporation, has also done incredible advocacy work and will certainly keep a close eye on the rollout of this scheme. Ms Austin gave evidence to the inquiry into these bills and reminded us that many of these survivors are reaching the end of their life or have already passed away, before they could see this through. And, yes, there have been so many stolen generations members who have passed away. From my home community, there's Aunty Hilda Muir, who I pay great tribute to, and people like Barb Cummings, who was tremendous in forwarding the march towards equality for stolen generations. There are so many more, who I am unable to announce today, but I know those members and families listening will know who I mean. There is simply no more time to waste.</para>
<para>The government has not publicly stated that participation in this scheme will be conditional on forgoing the right to make a civil claim, but I imagine this can be expected to be the case. In the Northern Territory, the exact number of children who were taken away may never be known, but what we do know is that there are hundreds of families that have been affected. I'm sure there isn't a community in the Territory that hasn't been affected in one way or another by the stolen generations.</para>
<para>The Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission's <inline font-style="italic">Bringing them home</inline> report put a face and voice to much of the suffering endured over decades. The commission interviewed around 500 people who were affected and spoke to institutions right across the country. These are not just statistics; they are very real stories, which are hard to hear and, I imagine, were incredibly hard to tell in the first place. I will read part of the testimony of one man who was left in the infamous Bungalow in Alice Springs, He said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">There was no food, nothing. We was all huddled up in a room … like a little puppy-dog …on the floor … Sometimes at night time we'd cry with hunger, no food … We had to scrounge in the town dump, eating old bread, smashing tomato sauce bottles, licking them. Half of the time the food we got was from the rubbish dump.</para></quote>
<para>There are so many other stories of hurt and suffering at the Bungalow, and many children were told they were unwanted or that their parents were dead. Another survivor recalled the trauma of lies and forced separation. She said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I remember this woman saying to me, 'Your mother's dead, you've got no mother now. That's why you're here with us'. Then about two years after that my mother and my mother's sister all came to The Bungalow but they weren't allowed to visit us because they were black. They had to sneak around onto the hills. Each mother was picking out which they think was their children. And this other girl said, 'Your mother up there'. And because they told me that she was dead, I said, 'No, that's not my mother. I haven't got a black mother'.</para></quote>
<para>I thank the many survivors out there, and those who are no longer here, for sharing their stories. I also thank those who endured their suffering silently, without being able or willing to tell their story, for whatever reason.</para>
<para>One of the most important parts of this scheme finally being established is that it gives survivors acknowledgement—acknowledgement of what was done to them, acknowledgement that it was wrong and racist and acknowledgement of each person's story. Under this scheme, a one-off $75,000 payment in recognition of the harm caused by forced removal will go some way to providing recognition to survivors who are still with us today. I also welcome the provision of a one-off $7,000 healing assistance payment and an opportunity to confidentially share stories with senior officials.</para>
<para>As a parliament and a country, we failed in one of the most important and basic duties we have, and that is to not harm children. In fact, the complete opposite was done. The removal of children from their families—an almost centuries-long practice by governments across Australia—created a trauma that has transcended generations and will continue to do so for years to come. In some situations, the removal of children was a slow process that happened over the course of some weeks. In other cases, children were just taken immediately, without warning. Many mothers didn't know it would be the last time they would hold their child, many families didn't know it was the last time they would spend together and many children never even knew their families to begin with.</para>
<para>The separation of families and the destruction of communities on a systemic scale cannot simply be forgotten, and the fear and pain remain with not only the members of the stolen generations but their children and grandchildren too. We continue to see the long shadow the trauma has cast on relationships, on health and mental health, on people's economic prospects and on culture, language and identity. The stolen generations have haunted not only the victims but also our national history and conscience. I'd like to think the stolen generations are a faraway memory—something that did happen a long time ago. Instead, it happened so recently—right up to where we are now. And, if we're not careful, we'll continue to do the same thing by removing First Nations children from their families.</para>
<para>The prohibition and loss of language has been connected with the loss of identity for those forcibly removed and their descendants. Many children were beaten for speaking their own language, and this loss of culture has isolated children from the supporting structures and identity of their culture.</para>
<para>In the Northern Territory today, most children in out-of-home care are Indigenous. Although the scheme will be a relief for some surviving members, it is concerning and sad that many family members of those who have passed away will be left out. So, for many families, this is too little and too late. The Healing Foundation has pointed out that many survivors are in poor health and virtually all will be eligible for aged care next year. Each year, more stolen generations elders are lost, and the remaining survivors suffer significant distress. So I urge the parliament: let there be no unnecessary delay in rolling out this scheme.</para>
<para>My thoughts are with the survivors in the territories who waited for too long and did not live to see this scheme come to fruition. Throughout this pandemic we have seen far too many examples of poor messaging to Indigenous communities and we do not want to make things any harder now in this instance with this particular area of the stolen generations.</para>
<para>Let me also stress the importance of involving community organisations and elders in the decision-making process all the way through. The information needs to be available in languages early on and throughout the rollout of the scheme. It needs to be accessible to remote communities—although in-language communication should have been a no-brainer in the rollout of the vaccine, and the federal government did take way too long to get that communication out there. I certainly don't want to see this repeated with regard to the stolen generations. It means working closely with stolen generations' survivor groups at every stage—working with the Healing Foundation, the Northern Territory Stolen Generations Aboriginal Corporation and other groups in the NT, the ACT and Jervis Bay. The scheme needs to heal, not retraumatize.</para>
<para>In April this year Labor reaffirmed our commitment to a stolen generations redress scheme. Labor took a policy to the 2016 election, which was almost identical to the government's announcement, of $75,000 in redress and $7,000 to help with funeral costs.</para>
<para>The redress scheme we have is thanks to the dedication and tenacity of advocates, community groups and survivors themselves. I thank each and every one of them. Many survivors in the Territory are now in their 70s and 80s and many of them never thought this day would come. I hope these payments will go some way in helping them enjoy their final days or help give their children and grandchildren a better future. Hopefully this scheme and the recognition of wrong it will afford will go some way to the healing of those Australians who feel so deeply betrayed.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank senators for their sincere and heartfelt contributions and commend these bills—which facilitate the operation of certain aspects of this redress scheme—to the Senate. The objective of these bills is to ensure that receipt of a redress payment does not, first, affect a participants' access to or eligibility for any pensions, payments, benefits or services—however they might be described—provided by the Commonwealth; second, require the repayment of an amount to the Commonwealth and to ensure that the redress payment is absolutely inalienable. They will also ensure eligible participants of this scheme receive the full benefit of their redress payment. Payments under the scheme are excluded from income testing for other Commonwealth payments or benefits and will facilitate the crosschecking of identity information. I commend that too to the Senate.</para>
<para>As a group, this Senate should be honoured to be involved in this important and historic moment. We should also acknowledge the work that members of the stolen generations and their families have done in the past and that they continue to do to bring this scheme into effect.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My understanding is that there was an amendment circulated but that's not proceeding.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I confirm that we will not be proceeding with the amendments that were circulated by the Australian Greens.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>7107</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That these bills be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bills read a third time.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Corporations Amendment (Meetings and Documents) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7107</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Corporations Amendment (Meetings and Documents) Bill 2021</span>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>7107</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
</speech>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7107</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I table a revised explanatory memorandum relating to the bill, and I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">This Corporations Amendment (Meetings and Documents) Bill 2021 (the Bill) makes permanent the ability for companies, registered schemes and their officers to use digital technologies to meet <inline font-style="italic">Corporations Act 2001 </inline>and <inline font-style="italic">Corporations Regulations 2001 </inline>requirements in respect of meetings, sending meeting-related materials and executing company documents.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These reforms follow the temporary relief initially provided on 5 May 2020 through the Treasurer's instrument-making power, and then renewed through the passing of the <inline font-style="italic">Treasury Laws Amendment (2021 Measures No. 1) Act 2021 </inline>as part of the Government's response to the Coronavirus crisis. As this relief is to expire on 31 March 2022, permanent reforms are necessary so that companies know their obligations and can get on with business.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The reforms contain enhancements to the temporary relief measures, and reflect feedback received during consultation. These enhancements ensure that companies are required to meet the same substantive regulatory standards regardless of how a meeting is held. Specifically, it requires companies to give shareholders a reasonable opportunity to participate, including the ability to speak or ask questions orally and in writing. It also provides shareholders that own at least 5 per cent of voting power to request an independent report or observation of a poll taken at the meeting.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It also provides companies and registered schemes with the flexibility to notify and provide documents in hard or electronic copy, and ensures that members have the opportunity to elect to receive documents in their preferred form.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The reforms allow documents to be signed and executed in flexible and technology-neutral ways to ensure that, regardless of whether company officers execute documents electronically or physically, the execution will be valid. The reforms extend the ability of company agents to make contracts and execute documents - including deeds - flexibly.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government will continue to ensure that regulatory settings are fit-for-purpose as we deal with and emerge from the Coronavirus crisis, as part of Australia's Economic Recovery Plan to create jobs, rebuild our economy and secure Australia's future.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Finally, the Legislative and Governance Forum on Corporations was consulted in relation to the Bill and has approved them as required under the <inline font-style="italic">Corporations Agreement 2002</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Full details of the measure are contained in the Explanatory Memorandum.</para></quote>
</speech>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor supports making most of the changes that were introduced to help public companies manage their obligations during the height of the COVID-19 period permanent. But this support is not unqualified with respect to the changes affecting the conduct of annual general meetings. We have some concerns about the arrangements that are being proposed. In Labor's view, it is very important that the sanctity of rights and shareholder rights be preserved, and we are concerned about the potential dilution of these rights as a consequence of annual meetings being held virtually.</para>
<para>That is why my colleague Mr Stephen Jones circulated amendments to this bill in the other place. We are pleased that the government accepted those amendments. In particular, these will cause there to be a review of the effect of the bill and also the paragraphs in the bill that permit wholly virtual meetings will cease to have effect if a report on the review of those operations or those provisions is not tabled in each house of parliament within 30 months of the commencement of schedule 1 of the bill. With that protection in place, I can confirm that Labor will be supporting the Corporations Amendment (Meetings and Documents) Bill 2021.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At every available opportunity the government has used the pandemic as cover to try to increase corporate power and decrease protections for investors and consumers. The Corporations Amendment (Meetings and Documents) Bill 2021 is the latest attempt to capitalise on COVID for the sake of the rich and the powerful. It would do that by making permanent the temporary dispensation granted to companies from having to hold in-person AGMs.</para>
<para>The Australian Greens accepted that that measure was necessary during the period of extended lockdowns, and we do support making permanent the capacity for companies to hold hybrid AGMs. However, we do not support the provisions in this bill that would allow companies to hold wholly virtual AGMs, because AGMs are one of the few occasions that corporations actually have to account for themselves publicly. They are an opportunity for investors to scrutinise what is being done with their money. But AGMs also serve a broader and legitimate public purpose. Just once a year, those who have the power to direct capital and shape economies, societies and people's lives, with all of the protection of a limited liability corporation, have to sit down and front up to ordinary people and look them in the eye and explain themselves and answer questions. It is this humbling of the executive class that this bill is seeking to avoid.</para>
<para>The pursuit of profit at all cost relies on those that run corporations being able to abstract themselves from any destruction that they are wreaking on people, on communities, on the environment or on the climate. For CEOs and chair people, the prospect of being personally confronted with the human or ecological cost of their actions or simply being quizzed as to whether they really deserve their obscenely large executive bonuses can be just a little uncouth. They can find it just a tad difficult.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It being 1.30 pm, we will move to two-minute statements.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>STATEMENTS</title>
        <page.no>7108</page.no>
        <type>STATEMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Independent Review Into Commonwealth Parliamentary Workplaces</title>
          <page.no>7108</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WALSH</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>One in three—that is the shocking number that headlines the Jenkins report on the workplaces of this parliament. One in three are sexually harassed. That is 40 per cent of women, and one in four men, sexually harassed. This harassment is experienced even more acutely by First Nations people and other people of colour, and more acutely by LGBT people, with more than half sexually harassed in the workplaces of this parliament. This harassment is experienced more acutely by people with disability. Of course, these are not just statistics; these are people—people who came to this place to build careers and to make a meaningful contribution to their communities. This is shameful and it must end now.</para>
<para>At the core of all of this is power, entitlement and privilege. There is a complete lack of accountability from those in power and a lack of diversity. The worst thing about all of this for me is the message that this place is sending to those people who might hold a dream of one day building a future here, the young people who want to come here and make their contribution to the future of our country, but who now might be rethinking those dreams. I want those people to come here and make their mark. I want them to experience the buzz that I still experience approaching this amazing building on the hill in the morning and to experience that immense feeling of pride in taking their place right here. So to all of those people rethinking their dreams I want to say, from this chamber, that you belong here, and it is the bullies who do not.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Violence Against Women</title>
          <page.no>7109</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise today to remember and honour the 40 women who have been killed by violence in Australia in 2021. It is 40 too many and we owe it to them to work tirelessly to eliminate violence against women. I'm going to read out their names: Mary Benedito, Ms Waterloo, Michelle Darragh, Janet Dweh, Bernice Dent, Dee Annear, Angela Silk, Dusty Rose, Susan Murray, Cherry Gerent Ogar, Qiong Yan, Rachel Martin, Maureen Miller, Michelle Michell, Gabbie Marshall, Denise Brameld, Stacey Klimovitch, Kayla Golding, Thanh Truong, Barbara Chabaud, Judy Bednar, Giustina Lawlor, Lordy Ramadan, Kelly Wilkinson, Maryam Hamka, Rene Latimore, Min Sook Moon, Sandy Brown, Jasmeen Kaur, Robyn Beever, Doreen Langham, Ju Zhang, Michelle Norris, Adakruai Mitiang Ater, R Rubuntja, Stephanie Lee Robinson and four other women who are yet to be named.</para>
<para>These women's lives matter. We need a national plan to eliminate violence against women that is fully funded and we need a standalone self-determined plan for First Nations women. These plans must address the drivers of gendered violence with expert-led prevention programs. They must provide for crisis accommodation and address the housing crisis that means women are forced to choose between homelessness and violence. This government must fully fund frontline services so no woman is turned away.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>South Australia: Health</title>
          <page.no>7109</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GROGAN</name>
    <name.id>296331</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The South Australian health system is in crisis. Lives are being put at risk by the Marshall Liberal government and their neglect of the health system. We've heard deeply-alarming reports from workers, including hospital orderlies, cleaners, sterilisation technicians and patient services assistants. They are telling us that understaffing and a lack of training, PPE and infection control processes are putting patients' lives at risk.</para>
<para>This public health crisis has been the subject of the campaign by South Australian public health workers and the United Workers Union and that campaign has ramped up today. These essential workers, our health heroes, if you will, are reporting major understaffing and safety concerns at four Adelaide major hospitals—the Women's and Children's Hospital, the Queen Elizabeth, the Royal Adelaide and the Flinders Medical Centre. These major hospitals are reporting major issues. Just one example we have heard from sterilisation technicians is that they are being directed to reuse single-use face shields. At a time when we are trying to encourage people to take major precautions, it is unconscionable that our health system is advising workers to not do the same.</para>
<para>Reports like this have prompted unprecedented action from the United Workers Union in undertaking safety checks, and I commend them for this action. It does come amongst wider action that has been taken, including work bans across more than 25 hospitals in South Australia, aged-care facilities and other related health organisations, and it comes amid ongoing privatisation attacks and job security attacks on these essential workers by the Marshall government. I stand in solidarity with these workers and with the United Workers Union.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Manufacturing</title>
          <page.no>7109</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON (</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>) ( ): I rise today to celebrate the incredible investment the Morrison government is making in homegrown Australian manufacturing. I come from a very proud manufacturing state. One of the most important foundations of our $1.5 billion Modern Manufacturing Strategy is to reinvigorate homegrown, sustainable, self-sufficient manufacturing in this country. I know that so many Australians in the wake of the COVID pandemic want to see Australia become a more resilient and self-sufficient nation, and manufacturing is at the core of the concerns of so many Australians.</para>
<para>I just want to commend the work of our government, in contrast to Labor. When Labor was last in power, one in every eight manufacturing jobs was lost, but we are seeing a massive boom in manufacturing by getting the economic conditions right, making science and technology work for industry, focusing on areas of advantage—our six national manufacturing priorities including medical products and food and beverage manufacturing—and building national resilience.</para>
<para>As part of our many, many grants that we are providing, incentives to Australian manufacturers, I was so proud to join with Minister Taylor in announcing a $4.8 million grant for a company, Planet Protector Packaging, which is manufacturing packaging using sheep waste wool to manufacture Woolpack, which is a sustainable packaging alternative. This is a wonderful initiative driving new innovation in our country and, of course, it is happening right in Geelong. I am very, very proud of the work we are doing locally.</para>
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</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Foreign Aid</title>
          <page.no>7110</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Many Australians agree that we have an obligation to support less-developed countries. Some see this as a moral duty to help those less fortunate than ourselves. Others see it as a foreign policy tool to help build our reputation and support in international institutions. And some see it as pragmatic, a way to have a safer, more prosperous region. Whatever the motivation, many understand the importance of international development.</para>
<para>This year Australia will have spent over $4½ billion on foreign aid. It sounds like a lot but it is a cut of almost half in real terms from a decade ago, and it is nowhere near enough. Given how little we spend, we must ensure money is being used effectively, that we are getting the most bang for our buck. There are questions about whether this is the case. An example is tied spending. The government formally ended this practice, where aid money goes directly to large Australian organisations. This approach helped Australian businesses but did little to help poor countries. It was alarming to read a report from the European Network on Debt and Development which found that tying may be dead but 95 per cent of our aid spending still goes to Australian organisations. How can we believe our foreign aid spending is doing as much as it can when it is flowing not to the less-developed countries but to a bunch of offices clustered around Parliament House? We surely can do better than this, and we must do better than this.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Local Council Elections: Byron Shire Council</title>
          <page.no>7110</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Dailan Pugh is a giant of Australian conservation and of the arts. He is the son of Clifton Pugh, the artist whose defining portrait of Gough Whitlam hangs in the gallery upstairs. Dailan was a founder of the Big Scrub Environment Centre and the North East Forest Alliance. His son, Asren Pugh, is an environmental and labour movement activist. In his late teens he was a founding member of the Labor Environment Action Network together, with Senators McAllister and Keneally, in the tradition of the two Bobs in New South Wales—Debus and Carr—embodying the labour movement and the Labor Party's commitment to protecting the environment for all Australians.</para>
<para>Asren Pugh is Labor's candidate for Byron Shire Council. If elected as mayor, he would be a fresh start for a council with big problems—overcrowding, a housing crisis and environmental challenges. Why, then, is the Greens political party preferencing, in its registered how-to-vote card, the Nationals' candidate for mayor in a sleazy, grubby Greens-Nationals preference deal to try to stop an energetic young progressive? You can't trust the Greens political party not to do preference deals with its friends like Senator Canavan in the National Party.</para>
<para>From Cape Byron to Mount Warning, to the north-east forest, to the border ranges and all the way south to Coffs Harbour, those remnants of the big scrub rainforest have been protected by genuine environmentalists, many engaging in long protests, and in cooperation with Labor governments that have actually delivered national parks. Why is it that the Greens political party prioritise partisan, narrow self-interest in sleazy deals with the National Party in their registered how-to-vote cards?</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Electoral Legislation Amendment (Political Campaigners) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7110</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Electoral Legislation Amendment (Political Campaigners) Bill 2021</span>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I've got news for the charities, churches and advocates out there who are worried about complying with the donations rules rushed through yesterday. I don't want you to worry about these rules—nobody else does; they're completely optional. If you don't want to disclose your donations under these new laws, just leave them off the record. That's how the Liberal and Labor parties do it. A bunch of charities won't have learned about this stuff before, so let me give you a short course on how it works.</para>
<para>Say you've got a donor lined up who wants to help you out but is a little shy and would rather not let the whole world know they're handing you money. No worries! Because that donor can give you $4,499 every day of the week. Anything up to that amount is given a free pass. Isn't that fabulous? Right on the Monopoly board. Even better, they can give you $4,499 the next day, the day after that and the day after that. It's fabulous! They can do that every day, 365 days a year, and you can easily get away with not having to declare a cent.</para>
<para>But maybe you're thinking you want to take more than that in a day. That's easy. Take your donor out to a fundraising dinner. You can charge whatever you like for a ticket and there's no need to make it public. Isn't this fabulous stuff? Can't be bothered to run a dinner? That's fine too. Ask them to pay you from a trust fund. Just make sure they call it a 'blind trust'. You're getting the go here, right up there. If you need more help on how this works, ask the Libs to explain it to you.</para>
<para>Let's say you mess up and accidentally follow the rules. The good news there is that you don't have to disclose anything for up to 19 months after the money has changed hands anyway. None of this is illegal; it's all within the rules. It's how these guys up here play the game, so you might as well play it right back at them. The bill from yesterday doesn't give us more transparency. It doesn't stamp out the power of money in politics. If Liberal and Labor actually wanted to do that, they'd strengthen the laws we put on ourselves.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Rapid Antigen Testing</title>
          <page.no>7111</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CANAVAN</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We are constantly told that government responses to the coronavirus are guided by the science. Well, if we are adopting the science, where are our rapid tests?</para>
<para>Australia has been way behind the use of at-home rapid tests for a long time. Rapid antigen tests have been commercially available in the US since at least May, whereas our authorities did not even approve them until November—just a month ago. Still, since rapid tests at home have become available, they have not been adopted for widespread use. Industries that require regular testing, like truck driving, must still conduct invasive PCR tests, which can take hours, sometimes days, to get results. This stops people from earning a living while they are waiting for their test results and does nothing to make us safer. Why haven't we adopted rapid tests earlier? In September, the head of the TGA said that one reason for the delay was our low vaccination rates. It is all about the science.</para>
<para>Other countries have been using rapid tests to provide an easier option to facilitate travel and business. The Queensland government will open its borders in the next few weeks, but it will require a negative PCR test for anybody seeking to arrive. Why wouldn't we allow the use of rapid tests so that we can make travel to Queensland easier and hassle free? Rapid tests could help the Queensland tourism industry to more rapidly find its feet. But state governments and private companies are making a lot of money from the PCR tests, especially when the Australian government picks up most of the bill. Perhaps that is the reason why there seems to be an institutional reluctance to adopt rapid tests more rapidly.</para>
<para>Rapid tests could also offer an alternative to the cruel and inhumane vaccine mandates that are spreading quicker than the coronavirus around what was previously the free country of Australia. I support those trade unions that are backing the use of rapid tests as a way to let people keep their jobs. Given that vaccinated people can still catch and spread coronavirus, rapid testing could be an even safer way to prevent coronavirus spread at the workplace, guaranteeing that every Australian should have a right to work.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Aged Care</title>
          <page.no>7111</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>There's a saying: 'Ageing is a privilege.' But, for those who participated in or have read the report of the aged care royal commission, it would be reasonable to think that, when you're in aged care, ageing is a punishment.</para>
<para>It's been almost a year since the Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety handed down its final report. It made 148 recommendations to ensure that older Australians could live with dignity and respect as they entered the residential aged-care system. How many of these 148 recommendations have been implemented? Where is the government's urgency to implement these recommendations and improve the system to ensure older Australians live with dignity and respect?</para>
<para>We have so few parliamentary sitting days next year, which I can't fathom, given there are so many important recommendations that the parliament could be implementing to improve residential aged care. For a start, the parliament could implement my bill to ensure that there's at least one registered nurse on call 24/7 in every aged-care facility. Nursing home residents, their families, the aged-care workforce and the wider community cannot wait any longer. My bill will raise the quality of care for residents. Having a registered nurse present will improve quality. It will improve communication between the residents, families and other healthcare professionals. It will promote preventative health care and address wellbeing risks, contributing to restorative care.</para>
<para>The Morrison government needs to stop pushing residential aged-care reform into the too-hard basket. It's not too hard. Like so many issues, the recommendations are there, waiting for the parliament to act on them.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Dementia-Friendly Communities</title>
          <page.no>7112</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BILYK</name>
    <name.id>HZB</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>[by video link] Dementia is one of the greatest health challenges facing Australia. With 472,000 Australians living with dementia and 1.6 million Australians involved in their care, many Australians, including me, have had some personal experience with the disease. Many people with dementia face stigma and discrimination, which leads to social isolation. This, of course, has been exacerbated by the COVID pandemic.</para>
<para>Dementia Australia is working to overcome this with their Dementia-Friendly Communities program. There are currently 51 dementia-friendly communities across Australia, including two in my home state of Tasmania. They involve activities which aim to improve knowledge and awareness about dementia, reduce stigma and discrimination and promote social engagement. One aspect of the program is becoming a dementia friend. So far, 33,000 Australians have signed up as dementia friends and have watched short videos and read resources to better understand how to engage and socially connect with people living with dementia. People with dementia have described dementia-friendly communities as life changing. I congratulate Dementia Australia on this initiative. I'll continue to work with the wonderful Kath Shearer and Di Carter from Dementia Friendly Tasmania to help them maintain a dementia-friendly community in Greater Hobart.</para>
<para>With the short amount of time I have left I wish all of my parliamentary colleagues, as well as all my constituents across the great state of Tasmania, a happy and safe Christmas and new year. This will probably be the last speech I make this year. I'm disappointed not to have been able to attend parliament due to my health, but I thank every colleague who sent me well wishes. I'm hoping to be back next year, all going well—fingers crossed. Also I thank my wonderful staff and my local community for their amazing support throughout the year. I'm looking forward to the new year, to the upcoming federal election and to making my contribution to the election of an Albanese Labor government. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Immigration Detention</title>
          <page.no>7112</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It is now nearly nine years since thousands of people were exiled to either Manus Island or Nauru just because they reached out a hand to our country for help and asked to seek asylum in our country. Some of those people are still in prison today—nearly nine years down the track—having done nothing wrong whatsoever, having committed no crime whatsoever. They remain imprisoned here in Australia today.</para>
<para>It's really good news that 10 more people from that cohort have recently been released from hotel prisons into the Australian community, but there are still 75 people from that cohort imprisoned in a hotel prison system or in immigration detention. These people deserve answers. I asked the minister today: why is it that these people are still in detention, coming up on nine years now, where they have been brutalised and dehumanised? They have watched their friends die. They have seen murder, rape, child sex abuse and children with resignation syndrome, who can't get out of bed and have ceased all communication with the world. They have been beaten by police and have absolutely had their living human rights trampled over by the governments of Papua New Guinea, Nauru and Australia. Some are still in detention today. The minister must now release the remaining members of that cohort who are in detention in Australia. They should be released into the community and given the freedom and safety they deserve.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Valedictory</title>
          <page.no>7112</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator VAN</name>
    <name.id>283601</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like to end the year with a little bit of lightness and joy. As the year draws to a close and the 2021 sitting period comes to an end, I want to wish everyone a very merry Christmas. For the people in my home state of Victoria, 2021 and 2020 were very tough years, with Premier Andrews's constant lockdowns. However, as we come into summer holidays it's important to recognise that the future is looking bright. The Morrison government has done an amazing job over the COVID-19 period and now, with over 92 per cent of the population protected with a first dose, we have very much to look forward to. Travel is now back on the table for many of us. I hope many of you in your holidays have an opportunity to travel around Australia, supporting local businesses and seeing our great country, or to travel overseas.</para>
<para>It is my hope that over the summer period you get to spend some time with your loved ones and your family. If COVID-19 taught us anything, it is how important it is to spend time with our loved ones. Time is precious and every moment with them counts. I would like to be able to get to Western Australia and see my parents-in-law, as my father-in-law is not very well.</para>
<para>This year has been a divisive year for some, so I encourage us all to take time to reflect on how we are engaging with those around us and how we can all more positively influence people's lives. I wish everyone, particularly my colleagues here in the Senate, a healthy, happy and restful Christmas break. I look forward to seeing you here again next year.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Australian Broadcasting Corporation</title>
          <page.no>7113</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PRATT</name>
    <name.id>I0T</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>[by video link] Our ABC is a critical national institution that has provided free, unbiased and quality news and entertainment broadcasting for nearly 100 years. Unfortunately, our Morrison Liberal-National government seems hellbent on ripping it apart.</para>
<para>Currently, the ABC receives its funding in three-yearly cycles and, as we have seen over and over again, this leaves the ABC vulnerable to the political whims of the government of the day. The current funding arrangement erodes the ABC's capacity for impartiality and leaves it open to financial attack by the government of the day. And, as we know, destroying the ABC is deep in the Morrison government's DNA. I remember the attacks from earlier this year by members of this place, in the Senate, labelling the ABC a 'taxpayer-funded activist group' at war with the mainstream of Australian values.</para>
<para>Are these people serious? Just for a second imagine being the person who wants to destroy the service that provides fire emergency broadcasting. Perhaps, though, this should not come as a surprise. We all remember the experience of 2020, when our Prime Minister and his government couldn't give a flying fire truck about fire affected communities. Labor, in government, would grant the ABC the certainty that it requires to make investments and to go forward in a way that maximises the output it has and the services it provides that we all rely on.</para>
<para>For Christmas, I and many other Australians want a plan to end the attacks on the ABC and support for our national public broadcaster.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Parliament: Senate</title>
          <page.no>7113</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>[by video link] I would just like to put on the record my thoughts about being a senator. I think that I'm very privileged to actually have this position and I'm very grateful to the people of Queensland for voting me in. But I think what also needs to be noted are my feelings about one of the other senators in the chamber, and that is Greens senator Lidia Thorpe.</para>
<para>I think that her comments yesterday to Senator Hollie Hughes were absolutely disgusting. I wasn't in the chamber, but having read about it, this needs to be brought to the attention of—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Stop the clock! Senator Hanson, we have a point of order in the chamber. Senator McKim.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKim</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Mr President. Senator Hanson is reflecting on a senator who is not in the chamber, and she is making personal reflections on that senator. I ask you to rule her out of order for making those reflections.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Sorry, that's not a point of order—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hanson, I will give you the call back for one minute and 27 seconds. But I will remind you that it is not appropriate to make personal reflections on other senators.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I can make comments on the behaviour in that chamber.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESI</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hanson, you have the call if you wish to take it, but please avoid reflecting on other senators.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Comments and what has been said in this chamber are utterly disgusting, and the fact is that senators must take into reflection—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Stop the clock! Senator Hanson—</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I didn't mention any names then; I was talking about the chamber.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hanson, we have a senator on his feet on a point of order. Senator McKim?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKim</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Mr President. It is the same point of order that I made before. I submit to you that Senator Hanson is continuing to reflect on a senator. The context of her comments make it abundantly clear which senator she is referring to, particularly as, just moments ago, she did in fact mention the relevant senator's name. In doing that she is actually in defiance of the ruling that you just issued to her. So I do ask you, once again, please, to rule Senator Hanson out of order for the comments that she has just made, based on the fact that she is personally reflecting on a senator.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKim, thank you for your point of order. Senator Hanson, I will give you the call back for 30 seconds but, once again, I remind you that we must be within standing orders. Senator Hanson, you have the call.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I just find it absolutely amazing that McKim would actually stand there and make reference to me—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKim, resume your seat. Senator Hanson, we certainly do not refer to senators in that way. It being 2 pm we will now move to questions without notice.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>They're a bunch of gutless wonders.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order, Senator Hanson.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>7114</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Morrison Government</title>
          <page.no>7114</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KENEALLY</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to Senator Birmingham, the Minister Representing the Prime Minister. Two of Mr Morrison's closest friends, Scott Briggs and David Gazard, were handpicked by the Morrison government to receive $80,000 of taxpayer money, without any tender process, to start up their own private sector quarantine business, Quarantine Services Australia. On their website, Mr Briggs and Mr Gazard boast of their close personal relationship with Mr Morrison, sharing articles saying the pair are 'about as close to the Prime Minister's inner circle as you can get', and revealing that Mr Gazard 'speaks to the PM daily'. Has Mr Morrison ever spoken with either Scott Briggs or David Gazard about a private sector quarantine proposal?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Keneally for her question—albeit, another example of the mud-raking and -throwing that those opposite seek to engage in. The answer to the last part of the question is: to the best part of my knowledge, no, never. If there is anything to update in relation to that, I will check and provide it to the chamber. But that is certainly my understanding, because the Prime Minister had no involvement whatsoever in the decision of the Department of Home Affairs to award that contract—no involvement. The contract decision was entirely a matter for the Department of Home Affairs, as the Secretary of the Department of Home Affairs himself made clear to Senator Keneally at estimates on 25 October. The engagement and the contract had nothing to do with ministers, their staff or their officers and was personally overseen and managed by the department.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Keneally, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KENEALLY</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>According to a report by <inline font-style="italic">Sky News</inline>, Home Affairs secretary, Michael Pezzullo, reportedly told business leaders that the Quarantine Services Australia deal was, 'a really important project for the Prime Minister'. Given this is 'a really important project for the Prime Minister', has Mr Morrison recused himself from any and all cabinet discussions about the proposal?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The answer, effectively, is: yes—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Keneally</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Did he recuse himself?</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>However, as I said earlier, that is only once he became even aware of the fact that anything existed in relation to discussions, because this contract, this matter, was all executed by the department, without any engagement by the Prime Minister or ministers.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Keneally, a second supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KENEALLY</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister confirm on what date the Prime Minister recused myself from any and all cabinet discussions in relation to Quarantine Services Australia?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I will take that on notice. But, again, I reiterate that, in terms of the contract and the engagement there, that was a matter undertaken by the department, with no discussion, approval or otherwise by the Prime Minister.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19</title>
          <page.no>7115</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SMALL</name>
    <name.id>291406</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to Senator Birmingham, the Minister Representing the Prime Minister. Can the minister update the Senate on the achievements of Australians throughout 2021 and how this Liberal-National government has had a plan to support Australian families and businesses throughout the challenges of COVID-19 this year?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Small for his question and, in thanking Senator Small, I want to, in particular, thank all Australians, whom we are indebted and grateful to for all they have done, throughout 2021, as a nation, to stand together—particularly in the face of the once-in-a-century global pandemic that our nation and the world has been grappling with, which has resulted in the largest economic shock to the world since the Great Depression. Australians have demonstrated their resilience, and they should be congratulated and thanked for the efforts they have made, including coming out in droves to get vaccinated, with more than 39 million doses administered nationally, more than 92 per cent of the eligible population over 16 having had a first dose and more than 87 per cent now having had a second dose.</para>
<para>COVID continues to be an enormous challenge right around the world. Only a few months ago, the delta strain was wreaking havoc here—as it has across so many nations, as the dominant variant. But lockdowns and restrictions that were put in place have helped to save lives and livelihoods, alongside the strong economic policies and support measures that have been in place.</para>
<para>Australia has fared far better than much of the rest of the world. On a per capita basis, the UK and the USA have had over 40 times the number of COVID deaths compared to Australia. By avoiding death rates such as those in OECD nations, we've managed to save over 30,000 lives. We've also fared far better than most countries on the economic front. Whilst we saw a contraction in the September quarter, this was during the period of the lockdowns across New South Wales, Victoria and the ACT. But our economy has been roaring back. Job ads are more than 30 per cent higher than they were at the start of the pandemic. In fact, they're at a 12-year high. More than 350,000 jobs have come back since the start of September. We're on a pathway to see unemployment at or below five per cent for a sustained period—only the second time that has happened in 50 years. That's the strength, and that's thanks to the hard work of Australians.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Small, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SMALL</name>
    <name.id>291406</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister Birmingham, how do the efforts of Australians, in rolling up their sleeves to make Australia one of the most highly vaccinated nations in the world, provide us with the confidence to safely reopen, stay safely open and live with the virus as we look ahead to 2022?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Our national plan for reopening—which the Prime Minister drove, ensured we had the expertise of the Doherty institute to underpin and took through national cabinet—has relied upon Australians rolling up their sleeves to get vaccinated. And we thank them for doing that. In fact, they've become champions at it, delivering globally high vaccine rates across Australia. It is this that makes possible the safe reopening across our country. It's the incredible outcome made possible by all of the health workers and those who have risked their lives to help people suffering from COVID-19 but also to help to protect us all through the rollout of the vaccination program.</para>
<para>That journey is not over. We are now one of first countries in the world to roll out a comprehensive nationwide booster program, to make sure that people can be as safe and as protected as possible. We've got access to more than 151 million additional doses, and the boosters will be freely available to anyone who is fully vaccinated. This is something we can all look forward to in 2022. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Small, a second supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SMALL</name>
    <name.id>291406</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, how will this government's plan continue to provide the confidence to sustain our economic recovery? Indeed, what are the risks to a stronger and brighter future for all Australians in 2022?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We entered this pandemic from a position of economic strength, having brought the budget back to the point of balance for the first time in 11 years. This provided us with the fiscal artillery to be able to respond comprehensively throughout the pandemic, with $311 billion in direct economic and health support. JobKeeper; the coronavirus supplement; record business tax investments, to drive more investment through the economy; introducing and extending temporary full expensing and loss carry-back arrangements—all of them have helped to ensure that our economy gets through COVID strongly and comes out of it strongly.</para>
<para>At the same time, $10.2 billion in tax relief flowed to 11½ million Australians, just during the September quarter—the largest tax cuts to flow in a single quarter in 20 years. We have been able to do all of this because we have stuck to our plan, kept our economy strong and kept Australian businesses strong, and the world can only wonder what it would've been like had the Labor Party and their higher taxes been there, instead of the actions that we have taken to keep such strength. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Prime Minister</title>
          <page.no>7116</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Birmingham. Mr Morrison claimed that Liberal Party ads aired during the national bushfire emergency were simply communicating government policy decisions, despite the ads being authorised by the Liberal Party and despite the host page including a donation button. Why did he claim this when it wasn't true?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>All parties communicate policies and messages on behalf of their MPs and their representatives, and promote and communicate those messages. There's nothing unusual about that. Indeed, using as many communication channels as possible to get those messages out is the appropriate thing to be doing, for all of us. Your party does it. Our party does it. Others do it.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ayres, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr Morrison claimed that he had a comprehensive conversation with Zoey Salucci-McDermott, a bushfire victim in Cobargo. But video footage showed that the only words he said to her were, 'I understand, I understand,' while he turned his back to her and walked away. Why did he claim this when it wasn't true?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have faced enough opposition questions now to know that the context of them can sometimes be distorted in terms of the quotes that might be being used or the basis upon which those quotes are being used. It is, of course, evidence—as I said when I rose in response to the very first question today—that, yet again, those opposite don't come in here to ask policy questions. They don't come in here to ask questions about the issues facing Australians in their jobs and in their lives: the tax that they might pay, the threats that they might face—be they domestic or foreign—or any of those types of challenges. No, they come in just with an agenda of muckraking, of mud throwing—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Minister, resume your seat. Senator Ayres on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Ayres</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Self-evidently it's relevance. The question was about why Mr Morrison made a claim that wasn't true, and the minister hasn't remotely approached that question.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, I will bring you back to the question. You have the call. You have 16 seconds remaining.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senato</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I don't accept the premise of the senator's question in relation to the assertions he makes. On this side, we're going to proudly continue not to engage in that sort of muckraking but to focus outside of this building, on Australians—their jobs, their families and their lives—and on helping them make— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ayres, a second supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr Morrison claimed that he took the bushfire preparedness advice of former fire commissioners. But they say that he ignored their meeting requests for months and rejected urgent funding requests. Why did he claim this when it wasn't true? Does Mr Morrison still maintain that he has never told a lie in public life?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm sure he does, because he engages comprehensively across public life in Australia and with Australians from all walks of life. I know that the Prime Minister is looking forward to not spending so much of his time in this building answering these types of grubby questions. He's looking forward to returning to getting out there and talking to real Australians: talking to real Australians about our job creation policies, which have created those 350,000 jobs since September; about the record numbers of new apprenticeship commencements lately; about the more than 300,000 people who have been helped into their first home as a result of the new homeownership policies that our government has implemented and Scott Morrison has championed; and about what they're doing with the tax cuts that they've received and how they're using them to get ahead as a family. That's what we'll be doing for real Australians. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Climate Change, Gas Industry</title>
          <page.no>7117</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COX</name>
    <name.id>296215</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Resources and Water, Minister Ruston. The International Energy Agency said that we cannot open up even one more new coal, oil or gas project if we're to meet net zero by 2050. Under the National Gas Infrastructure Plan announced last week, the Morrison government wants to open up three massive new gas basins and up to 11 gas pipelines. This plan for massive gas expansion locks in the devastating global heating and pushes 1.5 degrees beyond reach. Minister, you can't implement the National Gas Infrastructure Plan and meet net zero by 2050. Which one do you choose?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Cox for her question. Senator Cox, I have to disagree with your assessment of the ability to deliver the National Gas Infrastructure Plan at the same time as meeting the targets that we committed to internationally, to make sure that we achieve net zero by 2050. The absolute express answer and explicit answer to your question is: I do believe that both are achievable simultaneously. What I can also add to that is that this government absolutely remains committed to meeting all of its commitments, all of its targets and all of its promises to Australia. That includes making sure that we deliver affordable and reliable energy to support the economy so that the economy supports jobs and so that jobs are available for Australians, so that they can have the opportunity to be able to access the opportunities that are presented by our resource sector going into the future.</para>
<para>We are also absolutely committed to meeting our targets. Our track record so far, as a government, in terms of meeting targets that have previously been agreed to is exceptional. We meet our targets and we exceed our targets. There is every possibility that we will continue to do that. We are intending to exceed our targets as we go through to 2030. We, as a government, are absolutely committed to the delivery of the National Gas Infrastructure Plan, because it is absolutely imperative to rural and regional Australia—the jobs, the businesses and economies of people who live outside of the capital cities. I know that most of you live in capital cities, but this is a program that not only supports all Australians, allows Australians to be able to benefit from the wealth of the resources that sit under our ground, but supports our regional communities, their economies and the jobs for people that live in regional Australia. I would have thought that that is what you would have wanted too. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cox, supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COX</name>
    <name.id>296215</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>WA Premier Mark McGowan has said that he would do whatever it takes to come to Woodside's aid if it loses the upcoming Supreme Court case over the Scarborough project. Minister, will you also be supporting the blanket protection of the gas industry offered up by the West Australian Premier?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What this government will continue to do is to provide the appropriate protections to all Australians businesses that are afforded through the extraordinary amount of regulation that's put in place to make sure that we not only have a balanced response but we also protect the future of this country. The resource sector provides Australia with an amazing opportunity for our growth and our wealth. A responsible way of extracting those resources to the benefit of all Australians is what this government will do. We have in place extraordinary regulation and extraordinary regulators to make sure that it's done in a way that is appropriate, that doesn't damage our environment, but at the same time provides the economic development that Australia and all Australians deserve to be able to benefit from, which is our amazing resources sector. Rural and regional Australia has lived off the sheep's back and out of the resources that come out of the ground for many years and it will continue to.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cox, a second supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COX</name>
    <name.id>296215</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>How does the government intend to offset the astronomical scale of emissions from the Scarborough and the Beetaloo gas projects, because to everyone else this is simply not believable?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think that the statement that Senator Cox just made is completely inaccurate and I completely refute it. I don't believe that everybody believes the statement that you've just put forward to the chamber. In fact, I think that most reasonable Australians actually understand that good governments can balance out making sure that we look after our environment but at the same time make sure that our economy is strong, because a strong economy supports all Australians, and that includes people who live in rural and regional Australia as well as those who live in the cities. We know that our gas-fired recovery is extremely important for Australia. We will do it in a responsible way that doesn't damage the environment. We will not do it in a way that damages Australian businesses, puts jobs on the line and—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Rice on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Rice</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>My point of order is on relevance. Senator Cox's question was very clear: how are you going to offset the emissions?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I cannot direct the minister how to answer a question. I believe the minister was being relevant to the question. Minister, you have the call.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>To the interjection, or the point of order, the same way that we always do—that is, responsibly and via a regulated mechanism.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>AUKUS</title>
          <page.no>7119</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Foreign Affairs and relates to the implementation of the AUKUS agreement. Isn't it the case that, to implement transfers of nuclear material to fuel any Australian nuclear submarine, it will be necessary for Australia to conclude a specific arrangement with the International Atomic Energy Agency in accordance with article 14 of our 1974 nuclear safeguards agreement with the IAEA? Isn't it a fact that in more than 40 years in which the IAEA has been implementing comprehensive nuclear safeguard agreements, the agency has never concluded an article 14 agreement? Isn't this required agreement unprecedented? Isn't it the case that the approval by the IAEA board of governors will be required for the agency to agree to a article 14 agreement with Australia?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Patrick, for your question. There are a number of issues that have you raised in that question, and I'll try to canvass as many of them as I can. In the first instance, Australia has been very strongly engaged with the IAEA since the announcement of AUKUS itself. We notified the IAEA as soon as the announcement occurred. The Prime Minister himself met with the Director General Grossi on 2 November.</para>
<para>Importantly, Australia comes to this table absolutely steadfast in our support of the nuclear non-proliferation regime and its cornerstone, the NPT. There is no change to our status as a non-nuclear weapon state, and we will comply with our obligations under the NPT. In fact, we have one of the best nuclear weapons non-proliferation reputations in the world. I can go to that further, but let me also record for the record that neither the NPT nor Australia's comprehensive safeguards agreement with the IAEA prohibit naval nuclear proliferation. We aim to set the highest possible non-proliferation standard and strengthen the integrity, indeed, of the non-proliferation architecture.</para>
<para>Australia delivered a trilateral statement with the United Kingdom and the United States during the IAEA Board of Governors meeting last week, from 24 to 26 November. That statement emphasised: Australia does not and will not seek nuclear weapons; our willingness and intent to proceed in an open and consultative manner, especially regarding issues of nuclear material, facilities and activities relevant to the IAEA; our cooperation will be fully consistent with the three parties' respective non-proliferation obligations; and that this cooperation will be pursued in a manner that preserves the integrity of the non-proliferation regime. As is publicly known, many of the program's specifics have yet to be determined across the next 18-month period. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Patrick, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Last week, Australian Ambassador Richard Sadler sought to persuade the IAEA board that consideration of AUKUS is premature. The board, at China's initiative, agreed to include the transfer of nuclear materials in the context of AUKUS and nuclear safeguards as an agenda item. Mr Sadler argued China's proposal to establish a special committee to look at AUKUS issues would politicise board deliberations. Is China trying to politicise these board deliberations?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In relation to whether the matter does or does not become an agenda item, our trilateral statement noted that a board agenda item addressing safeguards related to an Australian nuclear-powered submarine program is premature. When there are significant developments to report and in the interests of transparency, we are happy—indeed, very keen—to update the board in the future under the AOB, as we intended to do at this meeting.</para>
<para>The statement also noted that there have been some mischaracterisations of the AUKUS partnership and Australia's acquisition of conventionally armed nuclear powered submarines, and it clarified those. So I don't entirely agree with Senator Patrick's description of Ambassador Sadleir's approach, but that is the way in which the matter was dealt with on the agenda. Can I say that we have seen wilful disinformation in relation to the AUKUS announcement from a number of parties, and that disinformation compounds multiple offences of a similar nature this year. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Patrick, a second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, how concerned are you that China and Russia will seek to obstruct IAEA board approval of the safeguard arrangements that will be required to implement the AUKUS nuclear submarine program? Are you concerned that AUKUS will be hostage to other issues on the IAEA agenda—Iran's nuclear ambitions and what to do with North Korea? What is your diplomatic strategy to overcome these risks?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Patrick for his supplementary question. We expect all members of the IAEA board—and, in fact, members of the international community—to act responsibly and to engage in the accurate dissemination of information, not disinformation or misinformation. That goes to these matters and of course many others, as I have stated repeatedly during the pandemic in particular, and this is no exception.</para>
<para>In relation to the IAEA, we will continue to work transparently and openly with and within the IAEA. We'll engage with the IAEA in a manner that is consistent with the established rules and practices of the IAEA. Australia, the United States and the United Kingdom will not be playing political games which undermine that very architecture. We know that it goes to the heart of the importance of this process, and we intend to work within that constructively, openly and transparently.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Regional Australia</title>
          <page.no>7120</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DAVEY</name>
    <name.id>281697</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Deputy Prime Minister, Senator McKenzie. Can the minister update the Senate on how the Liberals and the Nationals in government are delivering for regional Australia to provide confidence for small business and families for a stronger future in 2022?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Davey, for your question and your strong advocacy for the regions. The Liberal and National government are the only government that can deliver for regional Australia, because, after all, we're the most in touch with the millions of Australians who actually live and work in these beautiful parts of our nation. Many of us from both the Liberal Party and the Nationals actually live and raise our families in these regions—not, I must say, the Greens, who do their very best every single day in this place to shut down sustainable, best-practice rural industries like forestry, or the Labor Party, who continually turn their backs on blue-collar workers who are slogging it out in our mining, resources and manufacturing industries. It is the Liberals and Nationals who have the track record of delivering for regional Australia, and we'll continue to do so.</para>
<para>Based on the current and previous investments that our government have made, we'll be providing over $100 billion to the regions to 2030. Over 2021 we've delivered a multitude of programs that have supported regional Australia, in the infrastructure, telecommunications, health, education, agriculture, tourism and resources sectors. We're supporting local businesses to create jobs. More than 2½ thousand Australians have been employed in constructing the Inland Rail alone, which has seen more than 400 companies across the nation share in over $2.2 billion worth of contracts for supplying. And we haven't stopped there. We're about getting people, produce and products to where they are needed. The success of the regions that we're currently experiencing and which accelerated under COVID-19 didn't just happen. It took hard work and on-the-ground leadership. It's a direct result of the entrepreneurial spirit and drive of the local people, infrastructure investment and government policy to connect regional Australia to enable our products to reach markets across the globe. And we wouldn't have all got through this year had it not been for our farmers, truckies, doctors, nurses, community pharmacists, teachers and emergency service personnel. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Davey, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DAVEY</name>
    <name.id>281697</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I, too, acknowledge that we got through the year on the back of regional industries. What is the government doing to ensure that those living in rural and regional Australia will have access to quality 21st century telecommunications?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Davey, as part of the Liberal-National government's wider regionalisation agenda, we want to see people living and working out in the regions, especially across northern Australia. To do that, they actually have to have access to 21st century telecommunications, particularly the types of telecommunications that are taken for granted by those people living in cities. Our government wants to make that transition easy by increasing their digital experience. Connectivity helps regional businesses grow, creating jobs. It helps people in regional Australia to work remotely. It dissolves the distance.</para>
<para>Today I was pleased to launch the second round of the Regional Connectivity Program that supports unique, place-based connectivity solutions to the tune of $112 million—$45 million of that will also be quarantined for projects to unlock that potential of northern Australia. It was great to stand and make that announcement with a champion for northern Australia, Matt Canavan. Under round 1 of the program, we saw— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DAVEY</name>
    <name.id>281697</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>There are too many good things to say, Senator McKenzie! Given the high-risk weather season that is currently upon us, how is our government ensuring that telecommunications in regional and rural Australia are adequate and resilient in times of need to keep people safe and connected?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Firstly, I would like to thank the thousands of first responders and volunteers who do so much for Australia and Australians at our times of need. Without them, we would be in a very, very different place. Right now, we have the floods in New South Wales. First responders have received over 5,000 calls and have assisted in over 140 rescues through this period.</para>
<para>We know that increased connectivity can save lives. Because of our Mobile Black Spot Program alone, which we've rolled out since coming to government, nearly 68,000 calls have been made by regional Australians to triple 0—calls that otherwise wouldn't have been able to be made. That's real evidence that we're helping save lives and livelihoods. Our government is delivering over $37 million to prevent, mitigate and manage telecommunications outages in natural disasters through our STAND program that extends the battery back-up to our Mobile Black Spot Program. Better communications for our rural and country fire service depots and evacuation centres is one way we can say thank you to our first responders. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Members Of Parliament: Conduct, Members Of Parliament: Staff</title>
          <page.no>7121</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is for the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Birmingham. It was revealed publicly today that when Liberal MP Bridget Archer told Mr Morrison's office that she was considering voting against the cashless debit card, two senior members of his staff literally stood over her in her office. Ms Archer spoke against the cashless welfare card legislation, then abstained from voting. Ms Archer has said that she felt 'bullied, threatened and intimidated' by these staffers for almost two weeks. Is Mr Morrison aware of who the staffers are?</para>
<para>Honourable senators interjecting—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Birmingham.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator McCarthy for the question. The member for Bass is somebody whom I consider to be a good friend and who I know is a powerful advocate for her community, and she brings strong principles and strong opinions to this place. She, like many on this side of the chamber and all across the chamber, brings strong principles and strong opinions to her service. Now, like all parties, obviously, when people are looking to differ, then discussions are had, ideally, around those differences. On our side, ultimately, as Ms Archer did on that occasion, she was free as a Liberal Party MP to not necessarily vote—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McCarthy, on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCarthy</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise on a point of order on relevance: the question is directly asking: 'Is Mr Morrison aware of who the staffer is?'</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I have been listening to the minister. I'm not prepared to rule that he was not being directly relevant. I am listening carefully. Minister, you have the call.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thanks, Mr President. As I was saying, in all parties you would expect to have those discussions. In the Labor Party if you were having such a discussion it would, of course, be an expulsion discussion. In our party, if you were having such a discussion—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, resume your seat. Senator Wong, on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Wong</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, it is a point of direct relevance. Senator McCarthy asked about public reports that Ms Archer said that she felt bullied, threatened and intimidated by prime ministerial staffers prior to the vote. So I put it to you that a reference to what happens after a vote is actually not relevant to the question. This is about activity or alleged behaviour by prime ministerial staff in the lead-up to a vote.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Canavan, on the point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Canavan</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On the point of order: that's not what the minister was saying. He was clearly talking about the discussions that would happen before a vote—as he mentioned, an expulsion discussion. That would be the case, Labor Party. The question clearly goes to the appropriateness of discussions around a vote. Therefore, bringing in how that would be dealt with in other political parties, with other senators and members of this place, is clearly relevant to that question.</para>
<para>Opposition senators interjecting—</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Wong has had the opportunity to bring the minister back to the question. I'm listening carefully to the answer. I cannot direct a minister how to answer a question. Minister, you have the call.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The point that I was making is that robust discussions are had in this place. They are had right here in the chamber about people's positions in relation to bills and votes. They are had in offices across the building about people's positions in relation to bills and votes. Only one side of politics has a structural threat in place as part of their rules that says very clearly in terms of the threat: 'If you go against us, you're out of here'. That is not what happens in our party. But, of course, discussions are had. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expire</inline><inline font-style="italic">d)</inline></para>
<para>Opposition senators interjecting—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! I will not give Senator McCarthy the call until there is order in the chamber. Senator McCarthy, you have the call for a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>With allegations of bullying, threats and intimidation of one of his female MPs by his own staff having now been made public, what action has Mr Morrison taken?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr Morrison has made clear his respect and support for the member for Bass and his ongoing engagement in discussions with her. Once again, as has been the case through many of the questions I've faced today—and it's not uncommon—what is put to me are assertions or direct quotes. They are not always completely direct quotes. As I have made clear, you would expect that discussions happen between party leaders and their members or senators and their officers. These are commonplace across the building. Of course, you can have strong disagreements, but they should be done respectfully. That's the way the Prime Minister always expects them to be conducted.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McCarthy, a second supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Brittany Higgins, Grace Tame, Christine Holgate, Bridget Archer, Julia Banks, Gladys Berejiklian and Zoey Salucci-McDermott: why have all these women publicly complained about Mr Morrison's behaviour and attitudes towards women?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I don't accept the premise of all of that aspect of the question. I know there are many names you mentioned there, many individuals, who have been very courageous in public statements that they've made and who have played a role during the course of this year, in particular, in relation to driving some of the change that we've discussed and the Prime Minister has discussed very clearly this week. The Prime Minister has made clear that change is necessary in the parliament and that we need to ensure we have the reforms that are necessary for this place to operate effectively in the future. There's all manner of conduct that could do with improvement at times, and we want to make sure that those reforms occur to drive that change. But, frankly, conduct elsewhere in terms of the types of smearing, scaring and so on that those opposite like to engage in could also do with some help and some lifting.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I reckon when you go out deliberately trying to scare Australia's pensioners, Senator Wong, as you like to do election after election with 'Mediscare' and—</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>it's pretty obvious that you are out there to try to threaten or intimate them too. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>International Day of People with Disability</title>
          <page.no>7123</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ASKEW</name>
    <name.id>281558</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Families and Social Services, Senator Ruston. With tomorrow being International Day of People with Disability, how is the Liberal and Nationals government continuing to support people with disability in all elements of their lives?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Askew for her question. Tomorrow is International Day of People with Disability. Tomorrow, we recognise the contributions and achievements of the 4.4 million Australians who live with disabilities across our nation. I particularly acknowledge the impact that the COVID pandemic has had on people with disability, and the extraordinary resilience of people with disability and their families and carers and the way they came together to support each other through this difficult time. I also acknowledge the frontline disability workers, who have demonstrated incredible leadership and courage throughout the pandemic. Whether it be someone taking a person with disability to get that all-important COVID-19 vaccine or the way people changed how they undertook their care arrangements during lockdown, we acknowledge the contributions that all people who have been involved in this space made to help people with disability get through the pandemic.</para>
<para>This government is all about making sure that we also encourage people with disability to meet their aspirations, by providing them with opportunities and making sure that they are able to access the rewards so that they can fulfil their full potential. Tomorrow I will be launching Australia's disability strategy for 2021 to 2031. It is a commitment of all levels of government—state and territory, local, and the Commonwealth—to make sure that we understand our role in improving the lives of people who live with disability. This comes on top of more than 3,000 consultations with people with disability, peak bodies, carers, families and academics to make sure that the next national disability strategy—Australia's disability strategy—recognises the need to have a foundation to create generational change, and a society where all people with disability can reach their potential.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Askew, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Se</name>
    <name.id>281558</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>nator ASKEW () (): Minister, how is the government supporting people with disability into employment?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We know that, in anybody's life, a job is a game changer, and that should not be any different for somebody who lives with disability. That's why tomorrow, alongside Australia's disability strategy, I will also be launching the next national disability employment strategy, which is part of our overall strategy to improve the lives of people who live with disability. Our employment strategy is aptly named 'Employ My Ability', and it will be very much focused on the abilities of jobseekers with disability. My goal is to make sure that we give people with disability access to the full suite of opportunities that every other Australian enjoys. We've consulted widely, and I acknowledge the Disability Employment Advisory Committee. It was chaired by Dylan Alcott and Simon McKeon, who have put in an extraordinary amount of work to make sure that our next national disability employment strategy meets the needs of jobseekers who live with disability.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Askew, a second supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ASKEW</name>
    <name.id>281558</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>How is the government helping people with disability access support services and up-to-date advice?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We're committed to ensuring that people who live with disability have information about policies, programs and supports that are available to them to make sure that they are able to have a life of accessibility. That's why we have invested so strongly in the Disability Gateway, which assists not only people with disability but also their families, carers and the wider community to have a single source of trusted information, advice and referral services. I'm proud of all the work that we have done to support Australians with disability.</para>
<para>This year we rolled out the 'I Can' campaign to encourage Australians with disability to make sure that they are accessing the information that we hope will improve their lives. The ad campaign features people who live with disability—they're not actors; they're real people—and it has been a tremendous success. We will continue to work to make sure that we provide people with disability with the same opportunities that every other Australian takes for granted. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Vaccination</title>
          <page.no>7124</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Health, Senator Colbeck. Senator Gerard Rennick has said of the Pfizer vaccine: 'When are these snake-oil salesmen going to be called out? The Pfizer shot doesn't deserve to be called a vaccine.' When asked during Senate estimates what action this minister would take in response, he assured the committee: 'I'm happy to follow up personally with my colleague.' Has the minister personally spoken with Senator Rennick about these comments? If so, when, and what did he say?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have had conversations with Senator Rennick about the efficacy of vaccines on a number of occasions, because the data is very, very clear: the vaccines are safe and they work. It's that information that I put to Senator Rennick. I am firmly of the belief, because I look at the information every day and I read the data every day, that the vaccines are effective. The data demonstrates that.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">An opposition senator interjecting—</inline></para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That's exactly right, Senator; I look at the data every day, because it's important that we understand that is the case. It shows in the data in fact that last year, without a vaccine, seven per cent of cases in this country were in aged care, but this year, with the workforce vaccinated and the residents of aged care vaccinated, the number of cases that are in aged care is 0.7 per cent. That is 10 times less the number of people in aged care as a proportion of cases this year compared to last year. So the data is very clear.</para>
<para>Those are the points I put to Senator Rennick, because I want him to understand what I know from looking at the data. The vaccines we have for Australians are not only safe but effective. I will at every opportunity continue to repeat that message, not only for people like Senator Rennick, who has some questions, but for other Australians, to convince all Australians that they ought to take up the opportunity for a vaccine. Over 92 per cent of Australians have now had a first dose and approaching 87 per cent have had a second dose. That's a great result. I congratulate Australians for going out and getting vaccinated.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Gallagher, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Rennick has also set up a taxpayer funded website undermining COVID-19 vaccines, which Australian Medical Association Vice President Chris Moy has described as 'conspiracy theory push polling. It's about an antiscientific as you can get'. Does the minister agree?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I agree with Dr Moy. We want to ensure that the information that is provided to Australians with respect to vaccines is factual. We as a government, and particularly as ministers in the government, continue to look at the data. The Therapeutic Goods Administration continue to assess the data on vaccines globally so they can make sure the appropriate decisions are made, and so do ATAGI. They continue to look at the data and the information on vaccines so they can provide the appropriate advice to Australians with respect to vaccination.</para>
<para>I would urge all Australians not to look at what's on Facebook, not to look at what's on those sorts of sites, but to look at the ATAGI site, look at the TGA site and look at the Department of Health site if they want to get high-quality information about the efficacy of vaccines and the fact that they work in the interests of keeping Australians safe during COVID-19.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>A second supplementary, Senator Gallagher?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Given Senator Rennick has continued to post content on social media which he has admitted 'may not be 100 per cent right', will the minister publicly condemn Senator Rennick's use of taxpayer funds to spread vaccine disinformation and conspiracies?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I've urged Senator Rennick to ensure that the information on his website is factual and true. I acknowledge that he has admitted that it isn't. But one of the really important jobs that we all have here in this place is to give a voice to our constituents. That's one of the things that we do. It's a really important thing we do. But, in the circumstance of an issue that is as important as this, it is our responsibility to ensure that the information we are sharing—and the voices that we are giving elevation to by virtue of the fact that we are public figures and have a platform to be able to do that—is true. I have had that conversation with Senator Rennick, because it's a principle that I believe is extremely important. We want to make sure that Australians get access to information and that it's true. We want them to get vaccinated and we want them to understand that the vaccines that we have in this country are safe and that they work. (<inline font-style="italic">Time expired</inline>)</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Aged Care</title>
          <page.no>7125</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Senior Australians and Aged Care Services, Senator Colbeck. Can the minister provide an update on the number of Australians accessing a home-care package and how the Liberal and Nationals government is supporting senior Australians?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator, for your question and thank you particularly for your interest in improving the lives of senior Australians and their families. It's been clear over a period of time now that people want more choice. They want to stay connected to their communities, they want to stay as independent as possible and they want to remain in their own homes. Our government is delivering on that.</para>
<para>The government announced in the budget, as part of our response to the royal commission, a further $6.5 billion as an investment to release 80,000 additional home-care packages. That's 40,000 packages this financial year and a further 40,000 packages next financial year. That is the single largest investment in home-care packages ever. The new data shows that, in the three months to the end of September this year, the number of people with access to a home-care package grew to more than 204,000, which is an increase of over 41,000 in the last 12 months. Since the 2018-19 budget, this government has now invested a record $11.9 billion in new funding to deliver an additional 163,000 new home-care packages. By June 2023, there will be around 275,000 home-care packages available to senior Australians every year. Every year, under our government, home-care packages have been up, residential care places have been up, and aged-care funding has been up. Labor went to the last election with $387 billion in new tax proposals and not a single dollar for a home-care place or aged-care quality and safety of the workforce, and nothing for mainstream aged-care services. (<inline font-style="italic">Time expired</inline>)</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Henderson, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>How is the rollout of home-care packages expected to further reduce waiting lists and waiting times?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The number of people waiting to receive a home-care package continues to decrease as we work to ensure that more Australians can live at home for longer, as more Australians are choosing to do. Under this government, there has been a significant improvement in the number of people waiting for their approved home-care package, with a 25 per cent decrease in the 12 months to September this year. Those assessed as having a high priority need at any level of home-care package are now receiving their packages in fewer than 30 days, and 99 per cent of senior Australians waiting for a package at their assessed level of need have also been offered support from the government, including an interim package, or CHSP. They continue to have access to Australia's world-class health system.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Henderson, a second supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister outline the design phase of the new home-care system?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In the government's response to the recommendations of the royal commission, we announced a commitment to establishing a new support-at-home program. This will replace the existing Commonwealth Home Support Program, or CHSP; home-care packages; short-term restorative care; and residential respite programs. We continue to consult on the critical design of this new program, including: elements of improved assessment arrangements that are more consistent and more accurate and recognise that not all consumers need intensive assessments; a modern classification and funding system to ensure that the support that senior Australians receive aligns with their assessed care needs; an increased choice of providers across all types and levels of aged care; focus on aged-care management in assessment and funding arrangements; better support for informal carers; and, importantly, more support for early interventions to help people remain independent at home for longer.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Vaccination</title>
          <page.no>7126</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CICCONE</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Health and Aged Care, Senator Colbeck. When asked about the pace of the vaccine rollout back in March of this year, the Prime Minister said, 'It's not a race; it's not a competition.' Has the minister asked the Prime Minister why he said that when it wasn't the case?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think the Prime Minister subsequently said—the Labor Party are wont to go back to historical statements and forget about what's happened in the intervening period—that it doesn't matter how you start the race; it's about how you finish the race. What is quite clear—and what is quite inconvenient for the Labor Party—is that we now have one of the best vaccination rates in the world because of the hard work that was done by members of this government to ensure that we did have vaccine supplies, that vaccine supplies came to the country. We always said the rate of vaccination would increase as the vaccine supplies came into the country, and that is exactly what has happened.</para>
<para>We said we would like to offer every Australian a vaccine by the end of the year, and we've done that; we've done that in spades. In fact, we've got ample supplies. We are one of the first countries in the world to have a whole-of-population booster program underway, and close to half a million Australians have already taken up the opportunity to get their booster. So, despite the fact that we did have some difficulties with the vaccine rollout at the outset, we now have the equal 10th highest first-dose vaccination rate in the OECD. It's higher than in the UK, higher than in the US, higher than in France, higher than in Germany and higher than in Israel. Thanks to the Australian people, we can say that we have one of the most successful vaccine rollout programs in the world.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ciccone, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CICCONE</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Prime Minister repeatedly said, 'It's not a race' after the vaccine had been approved by regulators. But when asked why he said the vaccine rollout was not a race, he claimed that he said that only in relation to the approval of the vaccines. Has the minister asked the Prime Minister why he said that when that also was not the case?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It's really sad that the Labor Party continue to live in the past when in fact we have run one of the most successful vaccination programs in the world. Australians understand that. They understand the importance of the vaccination program, and they are turning up in their droves to get vaccinated. In fact, they're turning up to get their booster shots now that those have become available, because we have said to the Australian people—and they've come with us—that we have good vaccines, that we have a range of supplies of vaccines, and they trust the vaccines overwhelmingly and are turning up to get vaccinated. I thank Australians for showing that confidence in our vaccination program and turning up to get vaccinated. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ciccone, a second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Sen</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>ator CICCONE (—) (): On 6 April the Prime Minister appeared to blame the European Union for a lack of vaccine supplies, which the EU denied. The very next day, the Prime Minister claimed he never blamed the EU. Has the minister asked the Prime Minister about his criticisms of the European Union?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm doing as the Prime Minister is, which is looking to the future. We're not living in the past, as the Labor Party are doing. We're looking to the future. We're looking forward to opening the country up and we're looking forward to the economic recovery that will come along with that. And we're looking forward to Australians having the opportunity to travel and be back together for Christmas and into 2022.</para>
<para>The Labor Party can live in the past. They can look at the future in the rear-view mirror, but we're getting on with the economic recovery.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Indo-Pacific Region</title>
          <page.no>7127</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FAWCETT</name>
    <name.id>DYU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for International Development and the Pacific, Senator Seselja. Can the minister update the Senate on how Australia is working with our Pacific family to secure our region's recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SES</name>
    <name.id>HZE</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>ELJA (—) (): Thank you, and I can. Our region's health, prosperity and security is absolutely vital to Australia's and we have been working closely with our partners across the Pacific to address our shared challenges.</para>
<para>In response to the pandemic, Australia is investing more than $1 billion above and beyond our ongoing development support in our region. Despite some of the messages from those opposite, particularly the Greens, we have already shared over 9.2 million doses across the Indo-Pacific as part of our commitment to deliver 60 million doses to our neighbours by the end of 2022. In addition, Australia is investing $130 million in the COVAX Facility, which has distributed over 100 million doses to South-East Asia and the Pacific, and more than 400 million doses globally. Vaccination means more than just doses and Australia has allocated $623 million to get vaccine doses in arms, including vaccine procurement, distribution, administration, training and planning.</para>
<para>Beyond the health impacts, this pandemic has also posed serious economic challenges across our region. In 2020-21, Australia provided $361 million in direct financing to support economic growth and social protection in our region. This investment has helped governments in our region to expand social protection schemes to support more than 150 million people. Australia is also extending loans worth more than $2 billion to Indonesia and PNG to help address their economic needs. That's because the economic resilience of these two great democracies is absolutely vital to Australia and to the region.</para>
<para>Throughout the pandemic Australia has continued to invest in quality infrastructure through a lending pipeline of more than $1 billion. Already, we have finalised deals to finance renewable energy in the Solomon Islands, an undersea telecommunications cable in Palau and upgrades and maintenance at Fiji's airports. And, finally: through our Pacific Australia Labour Mobility scheme, almost 19,000 workers from the Pacific and Timor-Leste are in Australia, helping us to meet critical workforce shortages. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Fawcett, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FAWCETT</name>
    <name.id>DYU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Would the minister update the Senate on how Australia is working with our Pacific partners to ensure stability and security in our region?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SESELJA</name>
    <name.id>HZE</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Australia and our Pacific neighbours share fundamental values, including respect for sovereignty, the rule of law and democratic processes. All our Pacific family were concerned by the recent unrest in the Solomons. As part of our joint efforts with PNG, Fiji and New Zealand, Australia is proudly supporting the Royal Solomon Islands Police Force through a deployment of Australian Federal Police, Australian defence personnel and diplomats. We thank them for their work.</para>
<para>In my recent visit to Fiji I saw firsthand the impressive Blackrock Peacekeeping and Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief Camp that Australia is helping Fiji to redevelop. Blackrock will provide a regional hub for peacekeeper training and will bolster Fiji's capacity to respond to humanitarian crises and natural disasters. Our Defence Cooperation Program with 12 countries across our region, as well as our $2 billion-dollar Pacific Maritime Security Program, is supporting the national security priorities of our Pacific family. This combination of defence cooperation and economic development is helping to maintain security and stability across our region. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Fawcett, a second supplementary?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FAWCETT</name>
    <name.id>DYU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, how is Australia backing our partners in the Pacific to support their economic and development priorities?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp></time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SESELJA</name>
    <name.id>HZE</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>While I was in Fiji, I was delighted to launch a new partnership between Australia and TourismFiji to help Fijian tourism safely welcome back international visitors. This certification scheme will be delivered by Aspen Medical, a great Canberra company.</para>
<para>With tourism representing around 40 per cent of Fiji's GDP, and Australian tourists contributing over $50 million a month pre pandemic, this is a critical sector for Fiji. Yesterday, Fiji celebrated its reopening to international tourists—another important milestone in its economic recovery. It was made possible due to Fiji's world-class rollout, using Australian vaccines.</para>
<para>Another key Pacific export is kava, and yesterday I was very pleased to announce phase 2 of the Morrison government's kava pilot program. Pacific kava farmers and producers will now have direct access to the Australian market. Kava has enormous potential and enormous cultural and economic importance for the Pacific. The excitement across the Pacific and here in Australia is palpable. The Morrison government is proud to be supporting business-led economic growth across our region.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Seselja, I'll drink to that. Mr President, I ask that further questions be placed on the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline>.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>7128</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19 Select Committee</title>
          <page.no>7128</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>7128</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In response to the notice passed in the chamber, I advise the chamber that the government maintains its public interest immunity claims advanced in response to the request from the Select Committee on COVID-19.</para>
<para>I thank the select committee for its important work this year in overseeing the government's response to the economic and health challenges of the pandemic. Coalition senators acknowledge the important role of parliamentary oversight in our system of government, which has been even more important during the COVID-19 crisis.</para>
<para>On both the economic and health fronts, Australia has fared better than most countries in dealing with COVID-19. Australia's critical response has been underpinned by a combination of extensive testing and contact tracing, high vaccination rates, quarantine of people returning from overseas and measures to control community transmission. Of the 38 developed OECD countries, Australia has the second-lowest number of COVID cases on a per capita basis. By avoiding the death rates seen in the OECD, it's estimated that we've saved over 30,000 lives.</para>
<para>Commendably, 87 per cent of the eligible population aged over 16 are fully vaccinated, and hence we are one of the most highly vaccinated societies in the world, with a national booster program already underway. While Australia has been doing it tough, our economy has proved to be resilient. Australia was the first advanced economy to have more people in work than prior to COVID-19; nearly 900,000 jobs have been created since May 2020. The RBA has recently revised up its forecast for wages and now sees the unemployment rate reaching four per cent by the end of 2023. After last year's recession, Australia's economy—GDP—recovered to be larger than prior to the pandemic, ahead of any advanced major economy in the world.</para>
<para>While Australians have experienced public health restrictions this year, the federal government—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Patrick on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Patrick</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's relevance. The purpose of this explanation is to explain why a document hasn't been provided to the Senate, not to rattle off a bunch of stuff about performance of government.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Patrick. You can seek to take note of the minister's comments afterwards, if you so choose. Minister, please continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>While Australians have experienced public health restrictions this year, the federal government has supported 2.19 million individuals, who have been paid out of a total of $12.59 billion in COVID-19 disaster payments.</para>
<para>In 2021, the COVID-19 select committee has held 17 public hearings, which have included nine appearances by officials from the Department of Health. This year, the committee has sent out approximately 470 questions on notice to both government and non-government witnesses. Of those, 260 answers have been returned to the committee.</para>
<para>Since the commencement of this inquiry in April 2020, more than 2,700 questions to witnesses have been put on notice, and more than 2,160 responses to those questions have been received. The committee's public hearings have been held in addition to the regular parliamentary sitting weeks and appearances of government departments, and their agencies, before Senate estimates hearings. It is clear that parliamentary scrutiny is operating as normally as possible and that parliament is fulfilling its duty to keep the government accountable, even when challenges have arisen owing to public health restrictions across the country.</para>
<para>It should be noted that parliamentary scrutiny of the federal government's response to the pandemic has been far more extensive and robust than any state parliamentary oversight. Given the most onerous restrictions on the liberty of citizens during the pandemic, in the name of public health, have been imposed by state governments, they should at least have as adequate oversight as the federal parliament has put in place. It is regrettable that in many jurisdictions parliamentary committees scrutinising the performance of state governments have been put in place only temporarily, have had few public hearings and have often been chaired by government chairs.</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Colbeck, I have been listening, and you did make reference to it, but I draw to your attention that there are three orders for you to provide an explanation of the minister's failure to table the information. I have the document here in front of me. Whilst you did start to go some way towards that, you have deviated from it, and it is the requirement of the order.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Deputy President. It is a longstanding view of governments of both persuasions that the deliberations of cabinet should remain confidential because disclosure may impact the government's ability to receive confidential information and, hence, make appropriate and informed decisions for the Australian community. This is especially so when the responsibility of protecting the health and welfare of the Australian people during a pandemic is at stake. As stated in the second interim report, the relatively few disagreements between this committee and the government regarding a small number of public interest immunity claims should be viewed in light of these facts and the committee's busy workload.</para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the statement.</para></quote>
<para>I'm not actually sure that the minister addressed the issues that have been raised in the third interim report of the Select Committee on COVID-19. It seemed to be a whole lot of excuses about the fact that scrutiny was occurring and continuing to occur. But the real issue here, if we cut to the chase—because it's the final sitting day of the year and I know there's a lot of other business to get through—is that the select committee was established with the support of the government and other senators in this place. It was unanimously agreed to. The terms of reference were agreed to. They were broad. It was clear that this committee was going to travel through the pandemic. The specific terms of reference are to monitor the Australian government's response to the COVID-19 pandemic, so I'm not entirely sure why the Commonwealth's concern, now, over the lack of scrutiny of the states' role is being raised as an issue. It was a very clear term of reference.</para>
<para>Yes, we've had a lot of hearings. Yes, we've put questions on notice. The minister actually made the argument for me pretty well when he said, 'Yes, and we've answered at least half of them.' That's part of the point. While the scrutiny process from the committee side is working, the problem we are having is with the government either refusing to answer the questions or being very lazy in how they answer them. There's another subset where they answer without actually relating it to the question, so it's an answer about another matter that wasn't asked.</para>
<para>Then there's the blanket refusal to answer things that they have decided are cabinet-in-confidence. I'm sure it goes around the ministerial liaison units of every department because they use the same language—the government has decided that this information is cabinet-in-confidence, in line with longstanding conventions, blah, blah, blah, blah. Often, departments don't even bother referring it to the minister for a formal claim of public interest immunity; the committee has had to do that. So we, the committee, get the answer back and then have to chase them and go back to the department and say: 'No, that's not how the process works. If you are not going to answer this then you have to refer it to the minister, and they need to go through the process of making a formal public interest immunity claim and then you might get it done.' We chase and push the government, only to have the government reply, 'Well, we've considered it again, and the arguments we made last time'—which were not in accordance with the Cormann motion of 2009—'remain.'</para>
<para>When we bring it to the Senate and we force it through here, as we did with the second interim report, it's exactly the same thing. So we report to the Senate that the committee has not accepted public interest immunity claims, for whatever reason, and call for an order for the production of documents. The government has ignored the request of the committee.</para>
<para>The Senate passes it, and then requires the documents to be provided or the minister to come and make a statement. The documents are not provided. And then the minister comes and makes a statement, which is basically to say what they said originally to the question on notice! It is simply not acceptable. It's not how this place should work. It's not how this chamber was set up to work. And the longer this tired old government—eight years in—goes on, the worse it's going to get, because there is seemingly no consequence to this.</para>
<para>The job that the Senate asked us to do—asked me, as chair of the committee, and my colleagues, including Senator Patrick, who has attended most of those hearings—was to scrutinise the response. That job is impacted because of this government's unwillingness to provide information. The information is things like the Doherty modelling and the presentation that was provided to first ministers. Why on earth should the Australian public not have access to that information? It's AHPPC minutes from when the first lockdowns happened and the advice that was given. Again, why are the Australian public not entitled to that information? These are important decisions that were taken and information that has been withheld. This is a ridiculous one: the presentation by the Productivity Commission to national cabinet on the economic recovery—I presume, because we haven't seen it—was not allowed. Then, when we've again asked for that, following Senator Patrick's successful case through the AAT, and we've again put it back on notice, saying: 'Justice White has found that national cabinet is not a committee of cabinet, and therefore your blanket cabinet-in-confidence argument is tossed out, so please provide this document,' the answer has come back: 'No, we're not providing it.'</para>
<para>When you do an FOI on any correspondence that was engaged in, about, 'How did you come to that decision?' you see it's all coming from the Prime Minister's department. All these departments are going: 'Oh, the committee's after those documents again. What do we say?' and it's a coordinated refusal to provide that information—'Oh, we can't'—that comes back from PM&C. They've got all their hands on it. Health admitted as much—that they had consulted PM&C about their response before refusing, again, to provide the information to the Senate that was called for by the Senate.</para>
<para>The thing is: when you are in opposition and you are trying to do this, we will remind you of this—of the fact that you are trashing convention and practice of the Senate. So we have to stand up for it. We have to argue for transparency and accountability—and not just what you choose, because it seems to me that the approach the government has taken is: 'We will choose what access Senate committees have to information.' And that's not how the system was set up to work. It was that the Senate had the power to call for documents, to require documents, to order documents if they weren't provided. It was not executive government deciding: 'You know what? You can have half of this and a quarter of that and none of that.' That is what's happened and that is why the Senate committee has reported, for a third time, rejecting public interest immunity claims by this government—excepting one. We have excepted one, because the argument was made and we accepted that. But on the other ones—access to important information—we haven't accepted it, and the Senate yesterday voted to require the government to provide it. And we got this—a speech about how great the government's been, how great it's going to be and how great it's always been, 'But, by the way, you're not getting access to anything.' It's just not good enough.</para>
<para>I'll leave some time for Senator Patrick to make some other comments. But this is impacting on the work that we are able to do on the job that we have been given by the Senate. It is an arrogant, out-of-touch, conceited government that treats the Senate with such disrespect.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Patrick, did you wish to take note of the same matter?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, I do, but I still also reserve my rights in respect of 75. I want to touch on three areas in relation to this particular matter. The first of those is the disrespect of the executive—and I'm talking about ministers—in making claims which now, I might point out, are not just in defiance of Justice White's decision that national cabinet is not a cabinet but are also in defiance of a Senate resolution that says that particular public interest immunity in relation to national cabinet is not to be advanced. That is what the Senate has decided. As officers of the Senate, people need to look very long and hard at themselves in advancing those sorts of immunities. I'll give you another one to try—intergovernmental relations—because that may actually constitute a reasonable public interest immunity. But stop lying. Stop deliberately misleading. Stop basically confronting what is law in Australia. Accept the law as it is and that national cabinet is not a committee of the federal cabinet.</para>
<para>The second point I would touch on—this goes to what Senator Gallagher was talking about—is public officials turning up and basically making public interest immunity claims, also knowing full well because the matter in the AAT against the Prime Minister by myself, where Justice White established that the national cabinet was not a cabinet, has been quite highly publicised.</para>
<para>I'll go back to the law as it is in Australia. This is not me suggesting what should happen; this is the law. Under the Public Service Act section 10 there are certain values that the APS holds that include that they act in a professional manner, in an objective manner and with integrity. Indeed, section 10(5) says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The APS is apolitical and provides the Government with advice that is frank, honest, timely and based on the best available evidence.</para></quote>
<para>That is the obligation placed in law upon public servants. I've named a few of them. I might point out that there's another one that I've just got back in the last day or so from another public servant—I'll come back to that when I deal with late questions on notice. In effect what happens here is the secrecy obsession of the Prime Minister drives down through the frontbench, who don't have the courage to stand up and say: 'Sorry, Prime Minister, I'm going to recognise principles in respect of the rule of law and I'm not going to say to the Senate what you want me to say, which is that national cabinet is, in fact, a cabinet when we know that it is not and the Senate has resolved that it is not.' That's the first problem. We've got ministers not standing up to the Prime Minister. Perhaps they're more worried about their own personal position and, perhaps, the money that flows from that, rather than their obligation to the public.</para>
<para>What happens is they push this down through the Public Service where, in effect, they force public servants to breach the law, to act in a manner that is inconsistent with the APS values and the APS Code of Conduct, which is also enshrined in the Public Service Act. I'm not making any excuses for those public servants, because they, particularly the senior ones, ought to stand up and say: 'Sorry, Minister; I'm not saying that. I'm not doing that.' Sadly, we've seen some examples—led by Mr Gaetjens—where they just cast that aside and say: 'No, I'm going to hoist my Liberal Party spinnaker because whilst the Liberal government is in charge I'm going to do everything that they say.' That's what Mr Gaetjens does. I'm hoping that the Labor Party, should it get into government, looks very long and hard at these people and looks at their moral fortitude and their courage. Again, I'm not talking about some very good people who work in the APS and do a really good job; I'm talking about the very senior people that are corroding what would otherwise be the confidence that we're supposed to have in the Public Service. That's the second problem.</para>
<para>The third problem is actually our problem. It's the problem of the Senate, which simply allows this to happen. I again go to the report of the Privileges Committee in the last few days, where we had a lawful order of the Senate not complied with by a statutory officer. In actual fact, somehow the Privileges Committee finds that that's not a contempt. It's no wonder only half the questions are getting answered in this place.</para>
<para>I'll go to the matter—and I know Senator O'Neill raised this yesterday, but I'm not convinced—of the referral that took place in relation to the lack of provision of documents to the Economics Committee. The referral was made on 15 June this year. Six months later, we're likely to end this parliament without that matter being resolved. Now, I'm happy to inform the chamber that there at least has been some agreement in respect of the provision of information to the Economics Committee—and that's a good thing—but it's taken six months. Nothing that happens from now will undo the fact that the minister and the secretary have frustrated this Senate from being able to conduct its job.</para>
<para>I'm absolutely sure we'll get to a point now where that committee will not report properly. Sadly, we've lost the chair, who had so much passion in relation to this particular issue. But the Senate may not end up reporting on this. It's certainly not doing the job that it wanted to do. And whose fault is that? It's the fault of the Senate. I'm sorry, but the fact that the Privileges Committee has taken six months to get to this point is atrocious. I invite the Chair of the Privileges Committee and Senator Abetz, the Deputy Chair—both senators who I respect greatly; they are very tough senators in normal circumstances; I don't understand what is happening here—to go and read Machiavelli's <inline font-style="italic">The Prince</inline>. That will show you how you can deal with these sorts of circumstances. Just a couple of fines, just a couple of jail terms, would stop this instantly. We wouldn't be having these debates. We wouldn't be having these discussions. But, unfortunately, as I've found out, the Privileges Committee is weak. The Privileges Committee of the Senate is weak. If any journalist ever uses the words 'the powerful Privileges Committee', I'm going to correct them. This is the fault of the Senate.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>No, it's not the fault of the government. The government are in breach, but we do nothing about it. It's within our power to do something about it and we don't. That's the problem.</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator O'Neill is welcome to stand up afterwards and take note as well. But this is the problem. We don't get to go and look to somebody else and say: 'Hey, guys, it's not fair. They're not playing the game.' We're at the top of the tree. We sit at the top. It's up to us to do it. It's up to us to stand firm. The powers are there. They flow through from section 49 of the Constitution. There is no question. We know the House put a couple of journalists into Goulburn jail for a little while—that was, in my view, wrong. The power exists. The High Court affirmed that. The High Court affirmed that power. Just as the High Court in Egan v Willis affirmed the powers for us to produce documents. Just as, in Egan v Chadwick, the New South Wales Court of Appeal affirmed the ability to receive documents that were legally privileged. But it is up to us. I'm not saying the government's doing the right thing and I'm not saying the senior public servants are doing the right thing—they're in fact breaking the law—but we're not doing anything about it, and that needs to change.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ON NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>7132</page.no>
        <type>ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ON NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Question No. 3985</title>
          <page.no>7132</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Pursuant to standing order 74(5), I seek an explanation from the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Birmingham, as to why—and this is the third time that I have asked in this sitting fortnight—question No. 3985 has not been answered by the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Patrick for his question. The processes around finalising that answer have not been able to be finalised at this point in time. It has been a very busy period for all involved, as I've indicated to the Senate before. Through the life of this parliament, there have been record numbers of questions asked across questions on notice to the Senate chamber and across parliamentary estimates proceedings. Indeed, I think the questions total something close to that experienced in the previous two parliaments combined. The government has worked hard to provide answers and has delivered answers to record numbers of questions. I apologise to Senator Patrick in relation this one, but I don't have a further update for him.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the minister's answer.</para></quote>
<para>Again, this question relates to a simple request as to how much money was spent in my case against the Prime Minister in relation to national cabinet. I'm interested in finding out the answer. I'd love to know why, whatever amount was spent, we spent that money when the government was not going to comply with the principles that Justice White has put.</para>
<para>The second part goes to the cost of looking at a section 37 certificate to censor an Auditor-General's report that was issued by Attorney-General Porter—again, an AAT matter where the AAT overturned the Attorney-General's censoring. All I asked was: how much did the proceedings cost? That's an accounting system question.</para>
<para>It's not like I stand up here after every question time and surprise the minister. I actually do the right thing, in accordance with the President's guidance in relation to the standing order. I contact the relevant minister's office and I advise them that a particular question hasn't been answered and that I may choose to exercise my rights under the standing orders. It's not like I somehow surprise the minister in doing this. I go back to last week, when Senator Birmingham stood up and said—actually, I think it might have been Senator Duniam on his behalf—'Look, we're trying to get to this answer.' But, after the second time I asked the question and now the third time, I seek an explanation, I would have thought that the minister would have picked up the phone to the Prime Minister and said, 'You know what; can we just give Senator Patrick his answer?' But, no, that's too hard.</para>
<para>Again, this question goes to costs around the proceedings in the AAT in relation to national cabinet. It does disturb me, because, firstly, on the evidence that was supplied to the tribunal by Geoffrey Watson SC, an eminent barrister—and I thank him for his pro bono work on the issue—I think that it would have been obvious to anybody that there was no argument to be had, that national cabinet did not meet any of the requirements of a cabinet. It didn't have cabinet solidarity. It didn't have cabinet responsibility. It wasn't even formed by the federal cabinet. It wasn't a committee of the cabinet, because it was proposed by COAG—it was a committee of the COAG. There are all these things. There's the fact that a cabinet consists of members of parliament and is responsible to one parliament, not to nine, as is the case with the national cabinet.</para>
<para>The Prime Minister had said, in his own words: 'We have these cabinet meetings, and sometimes some premiers disagree. But the bus leaves the bus station and you either get on or you don't.' That's not allowed in the cabinet system. In a cabinet system the principle is: you go in, you have your argument but, when you come out, everyone sings off the same hymn sheet, such that there is a confidence in those decisions of cabinet. It was clear going into those proceedings that there was no chance that Justice White would find in any other way than that it wasn't a committee of the cabinet.</para>
<para>Yet, sadly, in the last couple of days, I have had yet another FOI decision that has come back. I was not after cabinet minutes this time. I was seeking 'access to the following information relating to the infrastructure and transport national cabinet reform committee established in October 2020. I want the minutes of all meetings and the action items of all meetings.' So I am not after, in this instance, even the meetings of the national cabinet. I'm after some peripheral committee that they've established that might feed in and provide advice.</para>
<para>If you look at where national cabinet extends to, it's quite amazing. Half of the government could well be covered by a national cabinet claim, if it were permitted under law, which it is not. Again, I have an official here. In this case, it is Petra Gartmann—and I will continue to name people. I point out that I have had over 200 FOIs and I've never come into this chamber and named a decision-maker. I normally simply appeal them. That's the normal process. But in this instance, it's so offensive in respect of the claims that are being made against such a prominent and weighty judgement from Justice White. I get an answer that makes an acknowledgment: 'I am aware of and have considered the Administrative Appeals Tribunal decision delivered on 5 August 2021 by deputy president Justice White in Patrick and the Secretary, Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet 2021, AAT 2719.' Then it says: 'In addition to the decision in Patrick, I have considered the national cabinet's terms of reference of 15 March 2020'—made public after the decision in Patrick—'and a joint statement made on 17 September by the Prime Minister, state premiers and territory chief ministers on the importance of confidentiality about relationships between the Commonwealth, and the states and territories. I have formed the view that national cabinet is a committee of the cabinet for the purposes of the FOI Act.'</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'Neill</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That is above and beyond the law.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That is above and beyond the law. That's an official.</para>
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<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm accepting those interjections. It is, in fact, a mandate driven down from the very, very top, from a prime minister who says, 'I am addicted to secrecy, and the Australian public will not find out what it is that we're up to'. It flows down through Mr Gaetjens and now down to the next level, where, sadly, those officials are acting in breach of the law. It's not that they're making an FOI decision that's wrong. That's not punishable. It's appealable but not punishable. But they are breaking the law in that they breached the core APS Values and the Code Of Conduct, which requires that objectivity; it requires professionalism, it requires fearless and frank advice, and, in the case of independent decision-makers, it requires the decision-maker to consider all of the facts, consider the law and make a determination. Now, I've got three of these decisions and I've seen one from a constituent that used a template format. That tells me that the department is not taking the issue seriously in terms of their approach to freedom of information.</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'Neill</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>They're doing what Mr Morrison tells them.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>They're doing what Mr Morrison tells them. They're supposed to independently look at the matter—each one of them—look at the cases, not at the hymn sheet produced by Mr Morrison. It brings them into disrepute, sadly, the way this works.</para>
<para>Just to make it very clear to the chamber: what these officials are saying is that there's new information that Justice White didn't consider, and they then mention some terms of reference. But if they read the decision of Justice White—I think it's in paragraph 189, though I may be mistaken there—Justice White looked at the terms of reference and read them in the context that the decision-maker was concerned about, saying, 'These are the terms of reference established by COAG.' They were actually part of the FOI documents that were provided to me. Justice White looked at them. When he was making his decision, he raised some serious concerns about PM&C, which is supposed to be the pre-eminent government body. He raised concerns that they hadn't put up any evidence other than secondary, other than hearsay, as to the forming up of the national cabinet. So he said: 'You know what? I'm going to take the terms of reference that were in the documents and I'm going to include them in my decision. But it doesn't change the facts, because the terms of reference were generated by COAG.' That's the first point that these decision-makers are trying to hang their hat on, and it's wrong. It's simply wrong.</para>
<para>The second one is: they say that, since that decision, the Prime Minister and the premiers have all stood up and said, 'We want national cabinet to be confidential.' But that's not how this works. Justice White was asked to make a legal determination on the statutory expression 'committee of cabinet'. He was asked to interpret what was in the statutes. No amount of statements from outside of this chamber as to what 'committee of cabinet' means, whether it's the Prime Minister, premiers or even a legal expert, can override what Justice White has said. If the department and the Prime Minister thought that Justice White was wrong, they could have appealed it to the full bench of the Federal Court, but they didn't. They didn't. So what do they go off and do now? They now come out with this approach that says, 'Let's just ignore what the judge said.' That's why I stand up in this chamber upset. That's why I'm having a go at public servants directly, noting their seniority and the need for them to respect the law of this land. That's why I stand up and say what I do and that's why I'm doing it on a regular basis. It's unacceptable. It's unacceptable to the Australian public.</para>
<para>The principle, in general, that Australians are not allowed to see some of the really important decisions that were made by the national cabinet and that affected their liberties is unacceptable. They weren't allowed to see the AHPPC's advice as to whether children should go to school or whether we should have lockdowns or what constitutes a hotspot. All of that sort of stuff ought to have been made available to the public. It should have been made available to the public, and the Prime Minister should have recognised that the release of that information was important. It was important for public confidence, but he failed to recognise that. That's why I'm disturbed about what's happening here.</para>
<para>We've got another official, Petra Gartmann, who simply has not had regard to her obligations, basically trimming her sails to the political will of the Prime Minister. It is quite appropriate for me to walk in here, noting that the government spent money on a QC to challenge me at the AAT. They spent all that money. I want to know how much it was, and the Prime Minister is refusing to provide me with that information. That's why I come in here, week after week, day after day—and I'll continue to do so in the very few sitting weeks that we have next year—to press for this answer. Gee, I hope by February I've got an answer to this question!</para>
<para>The government need to understand: our role is oversight. Our role is to inquire to inform ourselves as to what the government are doing on behalf of the people, and also to question what they're doing on behalf of the people. That's exactly what we do when we ask a question on notice. We're not doing it for ourselves. We do it for our constituents, the people who we represent and the people who actually pay the ministers' salaries and the public servants' salaries. It is completely disrespectful that the government takes more than the 30 days allowed in the standing orders to answer these questions. I hope that, the next time I stand, I will not be needing to exercise standing order 74(5).</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the motion as moved by Senator Patrick to take note of the minister's answer be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS</title>
        <page.no>7135</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Prime Minister, COVID-19: Vaccination</title>
          <page.no>7135</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'NEILL</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the answers given by the Minister for Finance (Senator Birmingham) and the Minister for Sport and Minister for Senior Australians and Aged Care Services (Senator Colbeck) to the questions without notice asked today by Senator Gallagher, Senator Ayres and Senator Ciccone.</para></quote>
<para>Before I go to my prepared remarks, can I just indicate that we would normally be finished this part of the day, but we've had 45 minutes of hearing about what it's like in this building—the stench of the place! It's like swimming in a sewer. And the king of the sewer rats is Mr Morrison, leading them along a path of deception. What a way to end the year. What a way to close out this year—another year of scandals. Another year of jobs for the mates, press releases with no policy, rorts, botched vaccine rollouts, backflips and lies after lies. And they delivered the same performance in question time today.</para>
<para>The government of Liberal and National members and senators had two major jobs this year: it needed to establish proper quarantine facilities and it needed to roll out the vaccine. It still has not established proper quarantine facilities, and people are now facing Christmas asking: 'Are we going to be okay?' They're worried because the government hasn't done its job. And people should be worried, because this government has not done its job and does not deserve to be re-elected. The government needed to roll out a vaccine; instead, we got a strollout and an 'Oops, I forgot to order.' That's the quality of the government. It needs to be kicked out.</para>
<para>The cabinet have been just as hapless. They have had an NDIS minister constantly undermine the scheme and call it 'welfare for life'—that's what they call it. They had an industry minister at war with Australia's car industry and, allegedly, with her own staff. They have a communications minister more interested in attacking online critics of the government than in building the NBN—fixing that whole piece of infrastructure that they totally stuffed up across the country.</para>
<para>Of course, we haven't seen any legislation to establish a federal integrity commission—and you can see why in their answers to questions today, in the debate that has ensued since question time finished, and in this litany of failures of a corrupt and incompetent government. It's been a significant year for the Liberal and Nationals parties, to hide their dirty deeds behind public-interest immunity claims. They are hiding the dirty deals that they do, saying it's 'not in the public interest' to put them out for critique or for the Senate to have oversight. They've blacked out FOI requests. They've constantly rorted government funds, using taxpayers' dollars as their own personal re-election funds. When it comes to accountability, it's only ever 'Silent Night' for those opposite.</para>
<para>In these historic times, the government has fallen far short of the ambition that the moment requires. This is a listless, drifting government. It has no integrity and no vision. Throughout all of 2021—and the seven long years before we had to watch this shameless display—it has been a government characterised by the way it has completely and totally let down the women of Australia. Mr Morrison and his cabinet have fallen short even of my ever-diminishing expectations of what they might be able to do.</para>
<para>When it comes to the treatment of women in this place and outside, they have abjectly failed 50 per cent of the population. They do not deserve another term. They deserve to be kicked out. Mr Morrison's failure to meet the moment, his pettifogging and his refusal to hold his ministers accountable are a shame on this entire place. I only hope that the women of Australia remember how those opposite, the Liberal and National Party members here, have let them down at every opportunity.</para>
<para>Here are the 12 days of Scott Morrison's Christmas for the Australian people: 12 jobs for his mates, 11 months of policy inaction, 10 days of sitting until next August, nine glossy blue brochures, eight sitting days of chaos, seven vaccine targets missed, six car parks cancelled, at least five backflips, four ministerial resignations, three fewer senators to count on in this chamber, too many lies, and one big botched rollout. Australia, that's your Christmas present from Mr Morrison. He's no Santa. Instead of good governance, we've had zero integrity commissions, zero women's budget statements, zero action on housing affordability and zero accountability from those opposite. It's been a year of power without glory. Do not give them the chance to continue next year in the same way. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ASKEW</name>
    <name.id>281558</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Once again we've had a series of misquotes, vague references and accusations against the Prime Minister from the opposition in question time today. What a way to finish the last week of another very difficult year. Surely there were questions of policy that they could have asked. But no: only innuendos and wild accusations, including around quarantine proposals, loaded with implications.</para>
<para>Quarantine Services Australia is a not-for-profit company established by the private sector to support industry, and it's important to note that the government is not funding QSA in any way. Of course, we do have an interest in the work they propose to do, because we want Australian businesses to be able to bring in the skilled workers they require in order to grow and create more jobs during our pandemic recovery. We know there's a skilled workforce shortage in Australia, and travel restrictions during the pandemic have presented particular challenges. That's why we've flagged skilled workers as our next stage in the border reopening—which, as we know, was due this week but has been paused until the 15th to give us time to understand the new omicron variant.</para>
<para>That said, our vaccination rates being among the highest in the world means that we're now in a very strong position. That's why the New South Wales, ACT and Victorian governments removed the requirement to quarantine for fully vaccinated international travellers from 1 November. In my home state, Tasmania, we're due to follow on 15 December. Dependent on vaccination rates, the remaining states and territories have flagged their intention to remove the requirement for fully vaccinated international travellers to quarantine by the end of this year or early next year.</para>
<para>So, the large-scale quarantine services that we thought, back in July, may have been necessary are unlikely to be required in the future, due to what we've achieved with our vaccination program. However, we do know that quarantine arrangements will likely continue to be necessary for certain groups of people coming into the country. So the formation of Quarantine Services Australia is a positive thing—an industry-led solution to help industry bring in the workforce they require. The Department of Home Affairs engaged DPG to facilitate a model capable of developing a quarantine approach that was private sector funded, scalable and acceptable to the states and territories. The model was required to be operational in the absence of any federal government financial support.</para>
<para>On the topic of quarantine facilities, I remind senators that during the course of COVID-19 this government has successfully worked in partnership with the northern Tasmanian government to utilise the Centre for National Resilience at Howard Springs and indeed doubled its bed capacity, expanding the facility's capability to 2,000 beds. We're also looking at Victoria's Mickleham facility, which has a 100-bed capacity, and the first stage should be complete shortly. We've also been working with the Western Australian government on a new Centre for National Resilience, and we're in talks with the Queensland government on a federal quarantine facility there, too. These new Centres for National Resilience, which are fully funded by the Commonwealth, will increase capacity to repatriate Australians. However, afterwards, these facility will be available for other important long-term resilience uses, such as supporting responses to natural disasters.</para>
<para>Today is our final day in this place for 2021, and later today we'll be undertaking a time of reflection and thanks for the year we've had. We'll be wishing those around us a great break, a lovely holiday and a joyous Christmas season. With that in mind, how can we justify the behaviour we've seen in this place not just today, when those opposite have once again launched an attack on the Prime Minister, but also over recent days, when unparliamentary behaviour and comments have been made against each other? The Jenkins report was titled <inline font-style="italic">Set the standard</inline>, and that is something that each and every one of us in this building—particularly in this place—should reflect on over the coming weeks. Too often there is language used and remarks made with the sole purpose of inflicting pain, and blatant disrespect is evident. We should be attacking the policies of our opponents, not the person.</para>
<para>I hold the institute of the Senate and other senators in high regard and believe that when we return in 2022 we must hold each other to even greater account. This is not a gender or sexuality issue and it's not a political or race issue. We are all here as equals, and we need to show due respect of that fact and to each other. I look forward to seeing everybody in the new year.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WALSH</name>
    <name.id>252157</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Here we are at the end of parliament for the year, and after eight years in government and three years under Prime Minister Morrison, what are we left with? A government in shambles. A government that is divided. A government that is coming apart at the seams. A government that can't keep its own people in line. A government that can't pass its own legislation. A government that Australians simply can't trust. A government that is led by a Prime Minister who can't seem to determine what is fact and what is fiction. A Prime Minister who says one thing one day, and something completely different the next. From Cobargo to Paris, our Prime Minister is known for being loose with the truth. That is his reputation. This is a government and a Prime Minister that the people of Australia cannot trust to deliver for them.</para>
<para>With Prime Minister Morrison, every problem is someone else's fault. Every crisis is someone's else's responsibility. Instead of action, what we get from this Prime Minister are excuses: 'It's not my job. It's a matter for the states. I don't hold a hose.' Whether it's bushfires or a global pandemic, Australians just can't trust this Prime Minister to lead. Australians couldn't trust him to roll out the vaccines. They couldn't even trust him to buy the vaccines in the first place. Australians cannot trust this Prime Minister, who said we were at the front of the queue and then said that it wasn't a race—a Prime Minister who said one thing one day and something else the next. Australians paid the price this year.</para>
<para>Australians cannot trust this Prime Minister to lead this country in a crisis, and they cannot trust this Prime Minister to lead the country at all. Australians can't even trust the Prime Minister to run his own government or his own party. This Prime Minister is distracted by division in his own ranks. We have members of parliament and senators crossing the floor, left and right. We are in a situation in this place today where the government is held hostage by One Nation and by the extremes of its own party room. We are in a situation today where we have a Prime Minister who is showing no leadership whatsoever to rein in the members of his own party and his own government who are spreading fear and misinformation about vaccines. He can't even shut down the misinformation of Senator Rennick.</para>
<para>This Prime Minister cannot keep his own party in line, so how can the people of Australia expect him to deliver for them? This is a Prime Minister who won't rein in people who are spreading misinformation and mistruth, even when their actions threaten to undermine the advice of the public health experts, even when they threaten the efforts of the millions of Australians who have gone out, done the right thing and got themselves vaccinated, and even when they put the health of Australians at risk. It is completely unacceptable and shameful.</para>
<para>Instead of providing leadership when we need it and instead of building on the values that saw us come together over the course of this pandemic, we have a Prime Minister seemingly happy to benefit from the division in our community. He is playing a dangerous game of doublespeak in a desperate scrounge for votes. It is a desperate ploy to distract the people of Australia from the fact that after eight years the government don't have a plan for the things that matter to Australians. They have no plan to deliver the things that matter.</para>
<para>The government have got no plan for the good secure jobs that people need. They have got no plan to grow wages—wage growth is the flattest on record. They have got no plan to fix our broken aged-care system and value our aged-care workers. They have got no plan to rebuild manufacturing and make more of what we need here. They have got no plan to act on climate change and bring green energy jobs to Australia. At a time when wages are going backwards and the cost of everything is going up, they have got no plan to make people's lives any better. They have got no plan to make it easier. They have got no plan to build a better and brighter future. This government can't even imagine that future, let alone deliver it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUGHES</name>
    <name.id>273828</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Guys, wow—I really did think there were some people on the opposite side of this chamber with a little bit of EQ, emotional intelligence, who were able to read the room. We had an incident in this chamber last night that was absolutely disgusting. The most vile of comments was made by a Greens senator towards me. It was widely reported as the most vile thing that has ever been said in this chamber. And what do you come in here with today? Smears, personal attacks, misinformation and lies. It is absolutely pathetic. Is that all you have? We know Albo is running a small-target strategy. He's beyond small target; he's not there.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hughes, please refer to members of the other place by their correct title or full name.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUGHES</name>
    <name.id>273828</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I apologise. I know the member for Grayndler is running a small-target strategy, but there's no such thing as a no-target strategy, which is what he's trying to achieve. The opposition have no policies on anything. That is reflected in the fact that they come in here day after day making personal smears against the Prime Minister that are based in absolute mistruth and misinformation and that distort the facts.</para>
<para>I'll come back to COVID a little later, but from listening to some of the responses and comments coming from the opposite side of the chamber I'm not sure that we live in the same country. Australia has higher vaccination rates than most countries in the world. We are at such a significant rate of vaccination—and this might be one for you to take note of—that we don't need quarantine centres. Once we are vaccinated we won't be quarantining. We understand you guys like to throw money around, because it's from the taxpayers. You just chuck it where you can. There will be no need for the centres. You guys wanted to give people $300 to get the vaccine. People went out and got it willingly for nothing. You were prepared to chuck $6 billion up the wall—$6 billion of taxpayers' money to pay people to get a vaccine. You did not even need to think about it.</para>
<para>I would like to point out to this place that not only in this chamber do we hear vile comments but in the other place in question time today, when Minister Hunt was answering a question from the member for Chisholm, an ALP member screamed across the chamber, 'Go and get a room.' We know you can't read it. Someone screamed out, 'Go and get a room,' to Minister Hunt when he was answering a question from Gladys Liu. Seriously? Have you been sleepwalking through this week? The Jenkins report was released in a week when we have seen behaviour in this place descend to new levels.</para>
<para>I haven't heard from one member of the Greens. I'd like to say that when Senator Di Natale and Senator Siewert were here they were absolutely decent people and if Senator Di Natale were the Leader of the Greens, he would have come and spoken to me about the vile behaviour of his colleague. He would have come and talked to me; he would have come and seen me. I can guarantee that Rachel Siewert would have done that, or messaged me, after the many years I have spent with her on committees and knowing what a decent person she is. But there has not been a word—not a peep!—from someone at the end of this chamber. It's absolutely shameful behaviour. The words are, 'I apologise for my colleague's conduct.'</para>
<para>But, on top of that, just to rub a little extra salt into the wound, this morning the member for Sydney who, ironically, is my local member, was asked a question about the vile comment directed at me and she started her sentence with, 'If it's true.' So we believe her and believe all women except for conservative women—they deserve it. They should have got it. It's fine to speak to conservative women in that way, because we're treated differently by women of the Left. So it's not just what was said in this chamber, but the reaction that has been demonstrated by the highest-profile woman in the ALP responding with, 'If it's true.'</para>
<para>Well, it was true. There was an apology given because it was so true and all you women in the Labor Party should be ringing up the member for Sydney and asking her to apologise, because that is disgusting and disgraceful. If you have nothing but personal smears against the Prime Minister going into this election, do you honestly think that Australians, who have had their jobs saved, who have an incredibly high vaccination rates and who have been supported through this pandemic in such a good way, are going to be impacted by your smears and that they'll have any impact on the result?</para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GROGAN</name>
    <name.id>296331</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Australians were truly disgusted to see the Prime Minister's behaviour last year, and that is not a smear; that is a fact. This is not a grubby attack, as has been accused by those on the other side; it's a fact. Mr Morrison was off on holiday in Hawaii when the bushfires hit, and when he finally got back and finally decided that maybe he should do something he made the whole thing about himself.</para>
<para>One of the things that shocked people about Mr Morrison's behaviour was his conduct towards Zoey, the young woman Senator Ayres was talking about just before. He referred questions to Minister Birmingham about that exchange. This was a young woman, pregnant at the time, who had lost her home. The Prime Minister grabbed her hand to shake it—that's a fact—and patted her on the shoulder, which is also a fact, and, when she turned around to plead with him for help, he walked away. That is also a fact. They're not smears; they are facts.</para>
<para>Senator Birmingham implied that Senator Ayres was out of line when he brought up this exchange, and that is outrageous. Those opposite said it was 'grubby' that we would raise such things. It's not grubby; these are facts we're addressing here. In her own words, Zoey said: 'I have lost everything. My house is burnt to the ground and the Prime Minister turned his back on me.' It is outrageous to say that those things are slurs. They are not; they are facts.</para>
<para>My home state of South Australia was hit especially hard by the bushfires last year, the bushfires that Mr Morrison handled so atrociously. Again, that is a fact. In Kangaroo Island, Cudlee Creek and communities across the Adelaide Hills homes and businesses were lost, livelihoods were ruined and lives were lost. Minister Birmingham has accused us of muckraking for raising it. It's not muckraking. The courage, strength and commitment shown by people across Australia has not been matched by their Prime Minister. He showed his true character in the heat of that crisis and he let us all down.</para>
<para>The bushfire season started yesterday in South Australia, and we're worried—we're worried about a repeat of last year and we're worried that once again we'll be abandoned by this government. Minister Birmingham says we should all be talking about policy, not people—that we shouldn't be raising these points and that we should just be talking about policy. Okay. So let's talk about the Emergency Response Fund. The government has spent just 0.37 per cent from a $4.7 billion fund—an 'Emergency Response Fund'. Now, you would imagine, from the name, that it would be about responding to emergencies, but, 2½ years after it was established, a minute amount of money has been allocated. So let's talk about the fact that this fund can allocate up to $200 million a year for disaster recovery and resilience—for things such as constructing evacuation centres, firebreaks and other mitigation measures that this country desperately needs.</para>
<para>By failing to invest this $4.7 billion fund, this government has again failed Australians, and this Prime Minister has again failed Australians—especially those who live in the bush. The Prime Minister has ignored very clear warnings by former Fire and Rescue NSW head Greg Mullins, and 23 other fire and emergency chiefs, back before the 2019-20 fire season. He refused to invest in a national aerial firefighting fleet—again, that is a fact. And when Australia was on fire, he went on holiday to Hawaii—a fact—and posed for gratuitous selfies on the beach.</para>
<para>What we need is real action. We need properly resourced fire services. We need help for our communities to prepare for future bushfire risks. And we need a Prime Minister—and a government—that acts and listens.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDEN</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the motion moved by Senator O'Neill, that the Senate take note of questions asked by Senators Ayres, Gallagher and Ciccone of Ministers Birmingham and Colbeck, be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Climate Change, Gas Industry</title>
          <page.no>7139</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the answers given by the Minister representing the Minister for Resources and Water (Senator Ruston) to questions without notice asked by Senator Cox today relating to climate change and the gas industry.</para></quote>
<para>It is Australia's shame that the Liberals are propping up coal, oil and gas by funnelling endless taxpayer dollars to these dirty industries. The world is moving away from digging up fossil fuels, but the Liberals are pouring tens of millions of dollars of public money in, to frack the Beetaloo basin and plunge us further into the climate crisis. The Liberals live in some parallel universe where there are no consequences for mining and burning fossil fuels—or you have your heads buried in the sand because it fills the coffers of those who line your pockets with cash; or you just don't care, because you have the luxury of being able to afford to protect yourselves from the deadly consequences that marginalised communities will have to face.</para>
<para>Pacific islanders don't have that luxury, as their homelands sink under water. The people on the subcontinent, where I come from, don't have that luxury, as thousands die every year due to brutal climate-induced heatwaves. First Nations people don't have that luxury, as you destroy their land and water. Traditional owners do not consent to fracking on their lands. The Beetaloo basin's traditional owners have already condemned the Morrison government for handing out millions to gas companies. Tax dodging companies, big donors and billionaires will profit from the destruction of First Nations lands—all this, while local communities are struggling for basic infrastructure, like health and housing. And what for? For the profits of climate-wrecking corporations.</para>
<para>Seventy per cent of the Northern Territory's land is earmarked for fracking. If the Beetaloo basin is opened up and fracked, Australia's emissions will rise massively. And this will be a ticking climate bomb. This is ecocide. The International Energy Agency has warned us: to reach net zero by 2050, there should be no more coal, oil or gas projects.</para>
<para>The Greens will not stand by and watch the Liberal-Nationals destroy country and plunge us faster into a climate emergency. We know that Australia must take responsibility for our role in the climate crisis, with a serious plan to bring down Australia's carbon emissions. And that means no more coal and gas. And which side is the so-called opposition party taking?</para>
<para>In August 2021 the Morrison government, supported by Labor, voted to give $15 million of public money to oil and gas corporations to open up the Beetaloo. No amount of actual science or the climate disasters that we have been witnessing in our own backyard—the fires, the floods the heatwaves—nothing seems to convince the Liberals and Labor that digging up fossil fuels is dangerous in the extreme. It is killing us. It is destroying our livelihoods, our communities and our planet.</para>
<para>The Beetaloo slush fund stinks of corruption and will be deadly for our climate. This gas rort has already given millions to Minster Taylor's mates. Empire Energy was handed $21 million to drill at three sites in Beetaloo, despite still waiting on environmental approvals from the Northern Territory government. Surely Labor can see the problems here? Surely Labor can see the stench of corruption, the influence of big corporate money here? It's clear that the Liberals don't give a damn about climate change—or democracy for that matter—but I expected better from Labor. Sometimes you do wonder why you expect better from Labor, because you are let down every single time. If you don't want to stop fracking the Beetaloo basin and if you can't support an end to coal and gas, then you don't really want to tackle the climate crisis. All the rest are just empty words. It's all mere theatre.</para>
<para>In the last minute that I have, I do want to wish everyone a restful, rejuvenating and relaxing holiday season. It has been a very tough two years. I hope that we can all enjoy a little break with our loved ones. Happy festivus everyone!</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>7140</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Community Affairs Legislation Committee</title>
          <page.no>7140</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>7140</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present a dissenting report relating to the inquiry by the Community Affairs Legislation Committee into the National Disability Insurance Scheme Amendment (Participant Service Guarantee and Other Measures Bill) 2021. I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUDGET</title>
        <page.no>7140</page.no>
        <type>BUDGET</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Consideration by Estimates Committees</title>
          <page.no>7140</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DAVEY</name>
    <name.id>281697</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present additional information received by committees relating to estimates:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Budget estimates 2021-22—Community Affairs Legislation Committee—Hansard record of proceedings, documents presented to the committee and additional information.</para></quote>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>7140</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Public Accounts and Audit Committee</title>
          <page.no>7140</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>7140</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DAVEY</name>
    <name.id>281697</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of the Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit, I present the 487th report of the committee, as well as an executive minute on the committee's 484th report. I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Finance and Public Administration References Committee</title>
          <page.no>7140</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>7140</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the report <inline font-style="italic">Lessons to be learned in relation to the Australian bushfire season 2019-20</inline> together with accompanying documents. I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>I think this a very significant report of the Finance and Public Administration References Committee. It was my wish that the inquiry would go to South Australia; the New South Wales South Coast and the North Coast; the Northern Tablelands; South East Queensland; the Tumut, Batlow and Tumbarumba regions of New South Wales; Gippsland; north-east Victoria and to Kangaroo Island to give those communities an opportunity to be heard. Sadly, COVID-19 outbreaks prevented us from doing so. I want to thank all those communities that we couldn't visit, and I want them to know that we've had them in mind throughout the inquiry.</para>
<para>We received 192 submissions and held 10 public hearings, mostly by video conference. We heard from some of the people most devastated by the fires. We heard from New South Wales South Coast communities where, in the darkness of New Year's Eve 2019, the Badja Forest Road fire tore through the Wandella, Cobargo and Quaama communities in a firestorm that nobody could possibly have previously imagined. We heard from communities in the Blue Mountains and the Hawkesbury regions west of Sydney, where fires raged for 79 days until it rained. We heard of the experiences of communities like Walwa and Corryong in north-east Victoria, who made the best of the limited resources they had to keep people safe.</para>
<para>We heard from experts in emergency management, fire response, fire behaviour and forest ecology, and from local government authorities who are doing on-the-ground recovery work and whose knowledge and experience have persuaded us that there is no point in fighting old battles over hazard reduction and that a new consensus is required if we're to keep people safe.</para>
<para>Fires take their names from their places of ignition. Over the months of the Black Summer, the obscure names of remote places where blazes started—Currowan, Dunns Road, Postman's Track, Big Jack Mountain, Wingan, Green Wattle Creek, Myall Creek Road, Good Good, Ruined Castle, Long Gully Road and many others—became the names of unwelcome summer holiday visitors who wouldn't leave. The communities they threatened listened to their radios, watched their phones and received the escalating alerts of 'advice', 'watch and act', 'emergency warning' and the dreaded 'It's too late to leave; you must shelter in place.'</para>
<para>Communities along the eastern seaboard spent a summer in the heat and smoke, anxiously clearing away ignition points from around their homes, doing that long-overdue run to the tip to get rid of all those lengths of old timber and all the household rubbish. Now all they were good for was fuel. As people were prepared for the worst, the catchcry was: 'Hurry up and wait'. It is predominantly their stories that have led the committee to make the recommendations that we have. It's the stories of evacuation and stories of seeking help over and over again, and the stories of trauma and frightened kids that have shaped our recommendations around making the task of domestic disaster response and recovery more keenly focused on the humanitarian nature of what disaster response and recovery is all about. If Australian aid workers turned up in a foreign disaster zone with a competitive grant program, I'm fairly sure that we would be asked to leave.</para>
<para>The stories of people feeling helpless as fires that had burned remotely for weeks emerged from the bush to devour farms, houses and whole towns shaped our recommendation for a better national, aerial fire-fighting fleet. The stories of homeowners and businesses in fire affected areas who can't afford insurance have shaped our recommendation for the ACCC to investigate insurance affordability in bushfire-prone regions.</para>
<para>Ms Therese Kearney is a grief counsellor with CatholicCare. She described her experience of visiting schools in Gippsland after the fires. She said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Last February I went into the primary schools around Orbost, Bairnsdale, Mallacoota—that East Gippsland area—and the feel that I got from entering the school was quite eerie. The children were very repressed and depressed. There was no children's noise in the playground. There was no joy there. Even in the play, it wasn't play.</para></quote>
<para>She went on to say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">These children had such heightened levels of adrenaline that they didn't know if they were afraid, if they were angry, if they were just wanting to go away and hide or curl up in a ball, or all of those things.</para></quote>
<para>Mr Graeme Freedman lost his house, along with everything above and below ground, at his home and property at Wandella in what he described as a 'fire tornado' on New Year's Eve 2019. He spoke to us about having to re-identify himself and his family every time they needed help from a different agency or charity. He said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">We are sick and tired of re-identifying ourselves as ''Bushfire Impacted''. Every program across all of government loses us half a day of our time and induces further trauma in the re-identification processes.</para></quote>
<para>He said it breaks people mentally. It 'virtually takes you to tears every time it occurs,' Mr Freedman told us.</para>
<para>Tony Jennings has been a rural firefighter with the Candelo RFS brigade in the Bega Valley for over 45 years. He told us of his efforts to get post-trauma counselling for himself and his colleagues. He said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I heard volunteers on the radio, because they were crying out for help. I decided to try and get help for them but I ran into a brick wall.</para></quote>
<para>He told us he had had two phone counselling sessions. He said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… I didn't realise that I needed counselling … it was because we lost two very good staff … and that really angered me and upset me … unfortunately, I couldn't arrange it for other people.</para></quote>
<para>He went on to say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">There was a young guy, who was about 17 and had not long ago joined the brigade. I don't know what's going to happen to him in the future—whether he's going to have some mental issues. Hopefully he won't. … hopefully he's okay, but we won't know.</para></quote>
<para>Ms Sandi Grieve, CEO of the Walwa Bush Nursing Centre, told us of the stress and strain of communities having to make applications for financial assistance in the competitive grants process. She said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Having to make grant applications, potentially missing out on those grant applications, having to change expectations and planning around what you get and what you don't get and then having to actually project manager … carries with it a significant degree of stress for a farming population who are already attempting to undertake three jobs.</para></quote>
<para>Ms Grieve's evidence about the stress of traumatised communities making grant applications for basic needs was reflected in every community that we heard from.</para>
<para>These are just a few of the stories of the Black Summer fires. In all of these stories is a common thread: we weren't prepared and we should have been. The warnings were ignored or downplayed, not just the warnings of the winter and spring of 2019 but the warnings of the past decade. Had we been prepared, people probably wouldn't have been driven into the sea at Mallacoota and Broulee. The death toll would have been lower and property losses would have been less. As a country that will suffer the worst impacts of climate change, we need to lift our game to keep people safe. That's what this report is all about.</para>
<para>Finally, there is one thing that truly bothers me and, I think, bothered members of the committee. How is it that $4 billion sits in an Emergency Response Fund announced after the bushfires, with up to $200 million a year available for disaster recovery and resilience building, yet, two years on from the fires, a mere $17 million has been spent by the Commonwealth government? How is it that there are still hundreds of homes to be rebuilt on the New South Wales South Coast and people are still living in makeshift shelters? How is it that, with the vast resources of the Commonwealth and with billions of dollars set aside, these needs have not been addressed? Something is seriously wrong, and the next parliament needs to fix it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I participated in the inquiry leading to this report, <inline font-style="italic">Lessons to be learned in relation to the Australian bushfire season 2019-20</inline>, and I wish to thank Senator Ayres for his work on this inquiry and for leading this inquiry. It was an incredibly important experience listening to people from around the country about their experiences of going through the trauma of the 2019-20 Black Summer fires. I wish to associate myself with the remarks that Senator Ayres has just put on the record—all the stories of how people were so deeply affected, the trauma that they experienced and how some of them are still experiencing that ongoing trauma. I won't repeat much about those experiences, but people should, absolutely, hear them and know just what a significant impact those fires had on people's lives, and understand what needs to be done so that we can reduce the possibility that such experiences occur again.</para>
<para>The report outlines a number of recommendations, including making sure that we can get into fires more quickly, get better aircraft support, have a better understanding of fire hazards, be better prepared for disaster and have better communications—a whole range of things that we can do better. Fundamentally, the point I make, and that the Australian Greens made in our additional comments, is that these sorts of disasters, these traumatic, extraordinarily awful experiences that so many people went through in the 2019-20 summer, are just going to keep on coming and get worse unless we do something about our climate crisis. The science is so clear.</para>
<para>I was briefed just this week by lead authors of the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report—the 6th Assessment Report, which brings together the knowledge of climate science from all around the world. These Australian climate scientists—leading climate scientists—covered a whole lot of things, and I was particularly interested to hear what they had to say about fire. The story is devastating. Essentially, even at 1½ degrees of warming, which we're trying our best to keep under, fires like those we saw over the 2019-20 summer are going to become more frequent and more intense, and the fire season is going to be longer. They told me in particular that the fire season is just going to keep starting earlier. We are going to be having more intense fires from earlier in the summer, earlier in the spring, and they are going to continue for longer. This is the reality.</para>
<para>The world is not on track for staying beneath 1½ degrees of warming—we are far from it. At the moment, we're on track for three to four degrees of warming, and Australia is completely complicit in this devastating scenario. That's what we're looking at. There's nothing that we can do—we can do all the pre-planning, and fight all the fires, but if we get to a world of three degrees or more of warming, the sorts of fires that we saw in 2019-20 are going to be like a walk in the park, and more of Australia is going to be subject to those fires. The fire weather that we saw occurring for the first time to any great extent in 2019-20—the pyrocumulus clouds; basically the fire feeding its own behaviour—was noted by the fire scientists studying the fires after they occurred to be unlike what had ever been seen before in most fires across Australia. This is just the beginning.</para>
<para>I urge the Senate, the government and everybody in this place, no matter what party they're from, to take these warnings seriously. We've got to listen to the stories and the tragedies that people experienced in 2019-20 and learn from them. That means doing all the sensible pre-planning and mitigation that we can do, but to learn from them seriously we've also got to be serious about taking the urgent action of reducing our carbon pollution in line with the science. That means at least a 75 per cent reduction by 2030. Absolutely fundamentally, it means that there is no way that we can afford to continue to expand coal and gas mining in this country. For us to play our part of keeping warming below 1.5 degrees so we don't end up in a scenario where these types of fires are more and more prevalent, we need to be getting out of the mining, the burning and the export of coal, gas and oil. That is the fundamental reality. We cannot argue with the physics. That's what needs to occur if we are really going to be paying proper attention to the lessons that we learnt from the 2019-20 Black Summer fires. I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Finance and Public Administration References Committee</title>
          <page.no>7143</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>7143</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the Finance and Public Administration References Committee's report into the Urban Congestion Fund together with accompanying documents, and I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>This afternoon, thousands of Australians will be stuck in traffic. Even as Australia recovers from the pandemic, the traffic has started again in our major cities. Before the pandemic, Sydneysiders spent an average of 71 minutes a day commuting. Those figures are highest in outer suburbs.</para>
<para>Rouse Hill, for example, saw its average commute jump by 60 per cent in the five years to 2019. That is time away from family, hours of our lives spent waiting, unproductive time in economic or family or community terms. At a campaign rally before the 2019 election, dripping with mock marketing sincerity, the Prime Minister said this about the construction of commuter car parks:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Yes, it's cement and it is bitumen and it's all of these things, but what it is really about is how we are really committed to families, to ensure that people get home sooner and safer in this big city of ours, or in the big city of Melbourne or Brisbane or over in Perth or wherever it happens to be.</para></quote>
<para>This report outlines a broken promise to those Australians, how the government saw that desire to spend more time with our families and exploited it for their short-term political advantage.</para>
<para>Commuter car parks should serve a purpose, particularly in our outer suburbs, where bus links to stations are spread too far apart, and that makes long car commutes inevitable for too many Australians. But this government wasn't interested in achieving a policy objective. Mr Morrison was only interested in using public money to sandbag vulnerable Victorian seats. It wasn't built on a coherent plan to manage growing numbers of Australian citizens. They didn't consult state and local governments, which has left the federal government exposed to the full cost of these ventures, guaranteeing inevitable cost overruns and delays. Contrast this to the Victorian level crossing removal initiative. Premier Andrews said he would remove 50 level crossings by 2022. As of last week, he had delivered all 50.</para>
<para>The commuter car park fund was $660 million of taxpayer money for Liberal Party campaign announcements. The money was administered through a process in which coalition MPs and candidates canvassed now former minister Tudge's office directly. Former minister Tudge's office, with the direct involvement of the Prime Minister's office, then finalised announcements for projects based on the interests and the timetables of coalition candidates and campaigns. There was no consideration of a project's merits. There was no evaluation of a project's feasibility or costs. The only metric that mattered was votes. It was a rort. It remains a giant rort from a corrupted government that has learned nothing and shows every sign of doing it again next year. No wonder they won't deliver a real national anti-corruption commission with capability and teeth. But this practice wasn't limited to car parks. The evidence before the committee demonstrates that the entire $4.8 billion Urban Congestion Fund has been used as a vehicle for the selection of projects with the same process. As the Australian National Audit Office made clear in their evidence to the committee, the canvassing process that determined which projects were funded did not distinguish between car parks and other infrastructure. There remains $890 million of unallocated funds in the Urban Congestion Fund, ripe for rorting ahead of next year's election.</para>
<para>Several of the report's recommendations are for immediate action. The committee recommends an urgent ANAO audit of the entire Urban Congestion Fund. The report recommends that the department of infrastructure release the investment principles and policy objectives for the Urban Congestion Fund by no later than 31 January 2022. This report recommends that the Prime Minister table to the House of Representatives a full explanation to the parliament of the role that he and his office played in the allocation of funding under the commuter car park fund. That report should be tabled no later than Friday 17 December 2021. Prime Minister, you have 15 days to explain to the Australian people the role that you played and that your office played in the commuter car park fund with Minister Tudge and the Liberal Party campaign. Don't hide behind former minister Tudge. Don't hide behind Mr Gaetjens. Don't hide behind a self-serving interpretation of cabinet confidentiality and public interest immunity.</para>
<para>It is time for this Prime Minister to be straight with the Australian people about how he has spent their money. The Australian people should view this deadline as another test of this Prime Minister's honesty and of his truthfulness.</para>
<para>Questions of transparency and accountability here are not limited to the Prime Minister. I would draw the Senate's attention to the department of infrastructure's failure to cooperate with this inquiry. It refused to respond to a number of questions on notice from the committee's inquiries, and it refused to respond to two separate orders for the production of documents, passed by this chamber on 23 August and 20 October, respectively. This reflects poorly on the ministers and public servants responsible for a department that is entrusted with billions of dollars of taxpayer money.</para>
<para>The administration of this fund by former Minister Tudge and this Prime Minister was corrupted. The Prime Minister deliberately perverts a critical distinction between decisions of government and the decisions of political parties seeking government in an election campaign. The government frequently raised Labor's election commitments on commuter car parks—another dishonest deflection. Those decisions were clearly those of a political party seeking government, still subject to the mandate of elections, the processes of government and engagement with delivery partners. The decisions in relation to the commuter car park were clearly decisions of government, authorised by the Prime Minister. Funding commitments were included in the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Outlook, and they were referred to as government decisions in the department's own materials. The distinction between party interest and public interest is critical to our rule of law and to protections against partisan corruption. This is just one more example where this Prime Minister and this government don't understand that vital distinction. It is the basis for our Westminster system of government. It is what distinguishes our democracy from kleptocracies overseas.</para>
<para>Additionally, there are outstanding questions about how these decisions were consistent with the relevant legislation, particularly the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability Act and the National Land Transport Act. With another federal election around the corner, the abuse of caretaker conventions and protections against the misuse of public money to approve these projects is a particular concern. When this Prime Minister goes to communities and promises developments, voters should reflect on the corruption of these processes before.</para>
<para>Finally, the report recommends that the government establish an independent commission against corruption at the Commonwealth level. It's been vital in New South Wales to restoring public confidence, cleaning up the New South Wales Police Force and the Public Service, and rebuilding good political culture in the parliament and cabinet for Labor and Liberal governments alike. Today, it is being resisted by the same self-serving arguments that were levelled against the introduction of the New South Wales ICAC by then premier Nick Greiner. Those arguments were wrong then and are completely redundant now. As Senator Fierravanti-Wells asked this week, in her blistering and comprehensive demolition of opponents of a federal ICAC within the government, 'Are they conflicted?' The answer is: of course they are. That's why a decent, fair dinkum national anticorruption commission with teeth, with the capability to clean up government, will only be established by a fresh start with an Albanese Labor government.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I just wanted to say three things which summarise the recommendations of this important report into, colloquially, the car parks rorts. The first, which is reflected in the first recommendation, is that the Prime Minister was up to his neck in it and that, as the report says, the commuter car park scheme and the Urban Congestion Fund were being used as a vehicle for a political purpose.</para>
<para>Basically we had a systematic, coordinated scheme—not just car parks but also going across sports rorts, community development grants, Building Better Regions Fund—to be spending taxpayers' money for political purposes, to buy votes. The Prime Minister was up to his neck in it and he needs to come clean. Hence, the first recommendation of the report, which says that we need to have a full explanation to the parliament of the role that the Prime Minister, the Prime Minister's office, the Deputy Prime Minister's office and any other ministerial offices and staff played in the allocation of funding under the Commuter Car Park Fund.</para>
<para>The second really clear suite of recommendations here reflect the fact that, in terms of the overall purpose of the Urban Congestion Fund—tackling urban congestion—the whole process of determining where the money went did not come close to that. In fact there was double removal from urban congestion. First of all, the department has done zero work on determining what sorts of projects we should be funding if we're serious about tackling urban congestion. Certainly, there's very little evidence that commuter car parks are actually at all useful for tackling urban congestion. But, even if you accepted that, then the process of deciding where those car parks should go was not based on any assessment of their efficacy in tackling urban congestion. Essentially, we had coalition members of parliament being canvassed, 'Where would you like a car park?' Or basically, 'Where can you buy votes?' There is such clear evidence of that from the report and from the investigations we did, which, of course, were building upon the important work that the Auditor-General did into the car parks fund.</para>
<para>The third point is probably the most important point in terms of going forward: how are we going to make sure this doesn't occur again? Essentially, when we asked the integrity experts, 'What can we change to make sure this doesn't happen again?' they came back to us resoundingly with the same answer: we need a federal anticorruption commission, an integrity commission, that has teeth. That's what is needed to make sure that this sort of corruption, these rorts, do not continue into the future.</para>
<para>The Greens of course have a bill. We've had legislation that has gone through this place. It has been sitting down in the House of Representatives for two years now. We have a government that promised that in this term of their government they were going to introduce legislation for an anticorruption commission. But they've decided now in these last weeks of parliament that it just isn't a priority. We have had the priorities of moving on religious discrimination law that is going to increase discrimination against people, and an awful lot of other legislation, but the anticorruption legislation has not been a priority. Fundamentally that is what we need; we need an anticorruption body with teeth. Frankly, I do not trust that this government is going to deliver it. The only way that they're going to deliver it is to kick this government out.</para>
<para>This is my last speech in this place for this year, and I am looking forward to next year. I am looking forward to an election. I am looking forward to kicking this government out. Then what we would very much like to see, and what I think we have a good chance of achieving, is the Greens with a shared balance of power, pushing the next government to go further and faster on issues of corruption as well as tackling the other important fairness and sustainability issues that we as an Australian community face.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee</title>
          <page.no>7145</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>7145</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the final report of the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee on the Water Legislation Amendment (Inspector-General of Water Compliance and Other Measures) Act 2021, together with accompanying documents. I seek leave to continue my remarks.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DAVEY</name>
    <name.id>281697</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to take note of the report of the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee on the Water Legislation Amendment (Inspector-General of Water Compliance and Other Measures) Act 2021. As a participating member of the committee, I just want to make a couple of general points and I will endeavour to be brief.</para>
<para>The Nationals very much welcome the committee's recommendations and the ongoing monitoring role that they have for the next few months over the responsibilities and the implementation of the Office of Water Compliance and the independent inspector-general.</para>
<para>The one thing we do note, however, is that the committee has failed to reflect other opinions of the witnesses that would relate to any other matters as referenced in the terms of reference for the committee's responsibilities. The committee heard from several witnesses about the significant social and economic impact of water recovery and the view that sourcing the remainder of the water recovery targets from productive use will make their communities unviable. This is not the first time this parliament has heard that view. Since 2010, when the guide to the Basin Plan was first released, there have been 40-plus inquiries into the Basin Plan, and, each and every time, we have heard of the significant economic impact that untargeted, non-strategic water buyback has had in our regional communities.</para>
<para>In one area close to where I live, the area of Wakool, more than 50 per cent of the water entitlements that were on issue in that district were purchased by the government, and yet, amazingly, the region continues to be productive, but at a cost: increased water use charges, increased infrastructure costs, increased costs of doing business because there are fewer farmers in the district. That's just one example of the many that have been put forward time and time again to this parliament.</para>
<para>I don't know how many times I have to rise in this parliament to say there are better ways. In fact, in 2004 a parliamentary committee looking into the Living Murray program identified that just adding water is not the solution, that you need a holistic approach to improve and achieve environmental outcomes. So, yet again, the Nationals are recommending that a mechanism be established to account for outcomes that can be achieved through complementary measures as an alternative to water entitlement recovery to meet the Basin Plan objectives.</para>
<para>I just want to bring to your attention some of the things we heard from some of the witnesses, and not just witnesses from the irrigation industry. I want to acknowledge Healthy Rivers Ambassador Mr Robert Newman, who identified that we need to focus on the interaction with agencies and the delivery of programs, because, when one component fails, the whole thing is put at risk. In his words:</para>
<quote><para class="block">If you let one program slip, such as the constraints relaxation, it does create big deficiencies in the delivery of other outcomes …</para></quote>
<para>He went on to say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Without that outcome—</para></quote>
<para>being constraints—</para>
<quote><para class="block">the whole Basin Plan is jeopardised.</para></quote>
<para>The constraints management strategy is not 'just add water' and it is not buying more water, but it is entering into agreements with landholders and farmers, and addressing issues such as infrastructure issues. Without it, you will flood private land, public infrastructure and vast swathes of land.</para>
<para>We can do better. We've done better. There are programs throughout the Murray and even in South Australia where private irrigation infrastructure is used to target water to environmental refuges, to make them resilient and drought-proof them so that, when a natural flood event happens, and it will happen, those refuges are ready to boom. But it also gets them through during the drought. In fact, it is far better to use that sort of infrastructure to benefit our environmental wetlands in times of low water availability than to farcically think that, without rain, you're still going to be able to achieve a 120-gigalitre flow event. You can't do it, because the Environmental Water Holder's entitlements are the same as farmers' entitlements.</para>
<para>If a farmer is on zero per cent allocation, so is the Environmental Water Holder, so it also has no water to give. I am so passionate about this issue! The executive officer of the National Irrigators Council summed it up perfectly when he said, 'The Basin Plan is an adaptive document, but the stringent focus on volumes over outcomes has created rigidity, which doesn't address the physical constraints and limitations of the system and the actual outcomes we're trying to achieve.'</para>
<para>I implore the Senate, the government and my South Australian colleagues—you've got wetlands down there; you've got innovative irrigation communities in South Australia who have been at the forefront of some of the stuff I'm talking about. I implore you all to stop focusing on a number that has resulted from a computer model and start focusing on the outcomes we want to achieve: the frogs we want to breed; the birds; the fish passage we need to address; the cold water pollution we need to address; the aeration of the system; and addressing blue-green algae. That is what will improve the health of the Murray-Darling Basin. We have enough water. Now let's focus on managing it.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
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</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade</title>
          <page.no>7146</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>7146</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHANDLER</name>
    <name.id>264449</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of Senator Fawcett, the chair, I present the interim report of the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade on advocating for the elimination of child and forced marriage, and I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to incorporate the tabling statement in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The document read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">On behalf of the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade, I present the Committee's report, entitled:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Advocating for the elimination of child and forced marriage: Interim Report for the inquiry into certain aspects of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade Annual Report 2019-20.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Committee recognises actions already being taken by the Australian Government and NGOs within the context of actions to prevent modern slavery. In the Report the Committee makes nine recommendations which would result in an increased focus on measures and funding to specifically combat Child and Forced Marriage including a repatriation protocol for Australians overseas who are in or at risk of forced marriage.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The tenet that marriage should only be entered into with the free and full consent of both parties has been reiterated across human rights treaties over time, including the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">However, the world is not on track to eliminate child and forced marriage by 2030, as committed by nations as part of the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through this inquiry, the Committee learnt of the work undertaken by the Australian Government on child and forced marriage in recent years, situated as it is among broader human trafficking and modem slavery issues. This an issue that has been viewed from several perspectives, with a role for the Australian Government to:</para></quote>
<list>work directly with other countries to provide assistance in the elimination of child and forced marriage;</list>
<list>raise awareness and ensure that the issue is kept on the agenda across multilateral forums and bodies, including the United Nations; and</list>
<list>respond to cases of child and forced marriage with Australia, and those affecting Australians when overseas.</list>
<quote><para class="block">Assistance to make progress on the issues that underlie child and forced marriage practices is also needed. The Committee has heard through contributions to its inquiry that open community dialogue, education and women's empowerment can shift social norms and create environments that discourage the practice.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Committee was grateful for the informed advice that was provided to it in submissions and hearings from NGOs that are operating in this area. The Committee thanks Anti-Slavery Australia, ACRATH and Walk Free for their valuable contributions.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Committee also thanks the Australian Government officials for their contribution to the Committee's work. While the Committee has focused on the international advocacy that Australia undertakes, child and forced marriage is an issue that involves a wide range of government departments, including the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Australian Federal Police, Department of Home Affairs and Australian Border Force.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This work was conducted as part of the Committee's current inquiry into the Annual Report of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade 2019-2020. Details of the inquiry are available from the Committee's website.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I commend the report to the Senate.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee, Electoral Matters Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>7147</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Government Response to Report</title>
            <page.no>7147</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the government's responses to the report of the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee on the accuracy of information provided to the Defence Force Retirement and Death Benefits members and to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters on the future conduct of elections operating during times of emergency situations. In accordance with the usual practice, I seek leave to incorporate the documents in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The documents read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government Response to the Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Inquiry into the accuracy of information provided to Defence Force Retirement and Death Benefits (DFRDB) members.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 1</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The committee recommends that the Australian Government consider ways to improve members' understanding of DFRDB and other military superannuation schemes. This could include additional information and education for ADF recruits and officer cadets, and ongoing updates for ADF personnel. It could also comprise a dedicated website or webpage for members, including a summary of the scheme and information on a member's contributions history and any residual pension payable.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian Government supports Recommendation 1 of the Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee's findings. The Australian Government notes that the Department of Defence has implemented a continuous improvement approach to the education of Australian Defence Force (ADF) members on financial matters including their understanding of the DFRDB and other military superannuation arrangements. This is done through a variety of mediums including: Defence's Pay and Conditions website, and the information and education services provided by the ADF Financial Services Consumer Centre and the Commonwealth Superannuation Corporation (CSC).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In 2006 the Chief of the Defence Force established the ADF Financial Services Consumer Centre (ADF Consumer). ADF Consumer operates pursuant to a charter from the Chief of Defence Force in support of the Australian Government's National Financial Capability Strategy. They administer and deliver Defence's financial literacy education service for ADF members and their families. Their aim is to help ADF members and their families become more financially capable; This includes providing a range of information regarding the DFRDB, Military Superannuation and Benefits Scheme and ADF Super, in consultation with CSC.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">ADF Consumer works closely with CSC and delivers seminars to ADF members in different stages of their service, such as at initial training and transition to civilian life. In an average year, ADF Consumer delivers around 150 seminars on various financial topics for approximately 15,000 members. In addition, CSC's member education team provides on- base presentations to ADF members which provide superannuation scheme overviews and free individual member consultation to all ADF members.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In 2020-21 CSC delivered 231 seminars throughout the year, 150 of which were live webinars (due to COVID travel restrictions) and 4,000 one-on-one consultations to individual members.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Recommendation 2</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The committee recommends that the Australian Government consider more assistance for DFRDB members to make claims under the Compensation for Detriment caused by Defective Administration (CDDA) scheme and appeal any adverse decisions or a separate reparation payments scheme for DFRDB members who are unsuccessful under the CDDA scheme to recognise the government's moral obligation to address any confusion and distress caused by defective administration. Where a CDDA claim was successful, compensation could include any professional costs expended in preparation of the claim, and legal and other professional costs if a claimant successfully appealed an adverse finding. Further, where the claimant's CDDA appeal was unsuccessful, the Commonwealth should consider not applying for costs to be awarded against the claimant.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian Government partially supports Recommendation 2 of the Senate Committee's findings.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">With regards to the Committee's recommendation about a separate reparation payments scheme for DFRDB members who are unsuccessful under the CDDA scheme, the Australian Government suggests that any such scheme would create perverse outcomes to different groups of DFRDB members. The Commonwealth Ombudsman, Mr Michael Manthorpe, outlined this issue in his public hearing statement on 20 May 2021 to the Senate Committee:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">"... I stopped short of recommending that the government pay compensation or some form of reparation as, in my view, to do so would have: cr</inline> <inline font-style="italic">eated new inequities between different groups; potentially produced an unjustified windfall for those who properly understood the scheme, at taxpayers' expense; and presumed to set aside what parliament had intended in the first place."</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Committee suggests a range of recommendations regarding the CDDA scheme.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian Government supports this aspect of Recommendation 2. For members who believe they have sustained financial detriment as a result of their decision to commute, the Department of Defence has implemented an approach involving a tailored CDDA claim form intended to direct members' attention to the issues critical to the determination of their claim. Also, when claims are acknowledged, members receive a personalised email responding to the specific issues arising in their claim. Members are also given the name and contact details of a specific case manager who is available to discuss the claim with them, or correspond with them, depending on their preference.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It is noted that both the Commonwealth Ombudsman and the Committee report indicate that it is unlikely a member has suffered a financial detriment and therefore the likelihood of any member being successful appears to be limited.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Committee report stated that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">"5.11 Despite the findin</inline> <inline font-style="italic">gs of the Commonwealth Ombudsman, some DFRDB members remain strongly of the view that they have suffered financial detriment based on their understanding at the time, which is actually a misunderstanding of how the </inline> <inline font-style="italic">scheme operates. In other words, the fina</inline> <inline font-style="italic">ncial detriment is perceived rather</inline>  <inline font-style="italic">than actual as it compares their current financial </inline> <inline font-style="italic">situation to a scheme that does not exist in law, ie claiming an actual Joss as opposed to a financial disappointment."</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">There is a balance to be struck when dealing with claimants, between giving them the· assistance they need to put their best case forward, and also managing their expectations. This is necessary to ensure that claimants are not given unrealistic expectations about their prospects for success. The Department of Defence has found to date that some members have been misinformed about the Ombudsman's report and the Committee's conclusions, and have been encouraged to claim based on a false factual. foundation. As the Ombudsman put it in his report:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">"It would </inline> <inline font-style="italic">do a disservice to falsely raise hopes of compensation among the members. Futile claims result merely in further inconvenience and frustration to the member, and an unnecessary use of public resources for assessment processes."</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">If claimants disagree with specific aspects of the decision or present new evidence, their decision will be reviewed internally by a different decision-maker.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Subject to the rules in the CDDA Guidelines published by the Department of Finance, payment of professional costs for successful claims is an issue that Defence could consider on a case by case basis. In fact, claimants generally do not need professional advice to make a claim. Their argument is generally straightforward so there is no legal or financial complexity which requires specialist assistance.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australian Government response to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters' report:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Report of the inquiry on the future conduct of elections operating during times of emergency situations</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Introduction</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian Government is committed to ensuring voters, political actors and Government officials are able to safely participate in the conduct of an election during times of emergency situations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">On 24 June 2021, the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters (JSCEM) tabled a report entitled Report of the inquiry on the future conduct of elections operating during times of emergency situations (the Report).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">On 28 October 2021, the Electoral Legislation Amendment (Contingency Measures) Bill 2021 (the Bill) was introduced into the House of Representatives.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">a) amends the Electoral Act to enable the Electoral Commissioner to modify the operation of certain aspects of the conduct of elections when a Commonwealth emergency law is in force; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">b) addresses the recommendations in the Report.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The recommendations of the Report are addressed in detail below.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Government Response to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters report:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Report of the inquiry on the future conduct of elections operatin g during times of emergency situations</para></quote>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>7150</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Consideration</title>
          <page.no>7150</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Shark Mitigation and Deterrent Measures, Australian Packaging Covenant and National Environment Protection (Used Packaging Materials) Measure 2011, Water for the Environment Special Account, National Gas Infrastructure Plan, Food Standards Australia New Zealand, Community Development Grants: Grant Award GA1528, Department of Health</title>
          <page.no>7151</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>7151</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I table documents relating to orders for the production of documents concerning the government response to the Environment and Communications References Committee report on shark mitigation and deterrent measures, the review of the Australian Packaging Covenant and National Environment Protection (Used Packaging Materials) Measure 2011, the Water for the Environment Special Account, the National Gas Infrastructure Plan, Food Standards Australia New Zealand, the Three Capes Track project and the Select Committee on COVID-19.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>7151</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Biosecurity Amendment (Enhanced Risk Management) Bill 2021, Mitochondrial Donation Law Reform (Maeve's Law) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7151</page.no>
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        </subdebate.text><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>7151</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That these bills may proceed without formalities, may be taken together and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bills read a first time.</para>
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</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7151</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I table a revised explanatory memorandum relating to the Mitochondrial Donation Law Reform (Maeve's Law) Bill 2021 and move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That these bills be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speeches incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speeches read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Biosecurity Amendment (Enhanced Risk Management) Bill 2021</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The COVID-19 pandemic has tested Australia's human biosecurity systems in an unprecedented way. It has highlighted the rate at which a biosecurity threat can spread between countries and around the world. The spread of exotic pests and diseases is putting unprecedented pressure on our border, and our biosecurity system must continue to evolve to keep pace with these new threats.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Through this pandemic, international maritime vessels have emerged as a significant risk pathway for biosecurity threats to enter Australia. This Bill will amend the Biosecurity Act to provide an improved framework to assess and manage incoming vessels and aircraft where infectious disease risks have been identified on board. These amendments are consistent with recommendations made by the Inspector-General of Biosecurity in his review of the Ruby Princess cruise ship incident, which I commissioned.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill will expand pre-arrival reporting requirements, ensuring accurate and up-to-date information is available to assess the human health risk of arriving vessels and aircraft. It will also expand and strengthen penalties for operators and persons in charge of aircraft and vessels who do not comply with pratique requirements.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It will also provide a mechanism to manage groups of people, such as on board a cruise ship, where passengers or crew display signs or symptoms of a listed human disease, or have been exposed to such a disease. In these circumstances, human biosecurity officers will be able to effectively assess and manage the risks of that disease spreading or entering Australia.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We all look forward to the safe reopening of Australia's borders and this Bill will play an important part in supporting this by reducing the potential for the entry, emergence, establishment and spread of listed human diseases while facilitating a critical step towards a national economic recovery following the COVID-19 pandemic.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Currently, Australia is one of the few countries in the world that is free of serious pests and diseases. This means our current biosecurity system is serving our country well. It has been instrumental in successfully protecting our $51 billion agriculture export industries, our unique environment, our native flora and fauna, and our way of life.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">However, Australia's biosecurity system is facing growing regional and global threats such as African Swine Fever and hitchhiker pests like khapra beetle and Brown Marmorated Stink Bug. Higher mail and cargo volumes and complex supply chains, together with the anticipated return to growing international passenger arrivals, increase the opportunities for pests and diseases to enter Australia. The constantly evolving biosecurity environment and risk profile has heightened the need for enhanced risk management to respond effectively to emerging biosecurity risks and future challenges.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill will enhance the ability of the Biosecurity Act to meet these challenges. It will increase transparency and efficiency of administrative processes in the Biosecurity Act, such as those involved in conducting a risk assessment for the purposes of making certain determinations or granting an import permit. The Bill will also introduce into the Biosecurity Act a framework to provide legislative authority to the Agriculture and Health Ministers to make, vary and administer arrangements or grants for expenditure in relation to biosecurity-related programs and activities such as the National Citrus Canker Eradication Program that successfully eradicated the citrus canker outbreak in the Northern Territory and saved Australia's $800 million citrus industry.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill will also amend the Biosecurity Act to increase certain key civil and criminal pecuniary penalty provisions to promote deterrence and enable a proportionate response, reflecting the seriousness of the contravention of these provisions and the consequences that may result from non-compliance. The increased civil penalties introduced by this Bill will serve as a significant deterrent to anybody considering undermining our biosecurity laws and the criminal penalties will allow a proportionate and appropriate punishment for contraventions of the Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Government is committed to continuous improvement across our world leading biosecurity system. That is why this Government announced funding of over $400 million for biosecurity in the 2021/22 budget. The Biosecurity Act is the central pillar of our defence against current and emerging biosecurity threats, and this Bill will enhance our biosecurity framework by improving the efficiency and administration of the Biosecurity Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill ensures continued protection for agriculture, tourism and other industries, plant and animal health, the environment, and our market access while providing a stronger biosecurity risk management framework and contributing to a safe reopening of Australia's international borders.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">MITOCHONDRIAL DONATION LAW REFORM (MAEVE'S LAW) BILL 2021</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">SECOND READING SPEECH</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill amends the <inline font-style="italic">Prohibition of Human Cloning for Reproduction Act 2002</inline> and the <inline font-style="italic">Research Involving Human Embryos Act 2002 </inline>to make mitochondrial donation legal in Australia.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill will allow women to have a biological child in a way that minimises the risk of transmission of the insidious effects of mitochondrial disease. A disease for which there is no cure - and that leaves children suffering from seizures, fatigue, multiple organ failure and heart problems. In severe cases, even premature death.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Here in Australia, each year around 56 children are born with a severe form of the disease. This equates to approximately one child per week. The tragic prognosis for these children, and their families, is that many will die within their first five years.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Maeve Hood is one of these children. Maeve's family is one of these families. This Bill has been named in honour of Maeve Hood and the tireless work of her family to raise awareness and build support for those people in our community suffering from mitochondrial disease. It has been named the Mitochondrial Donation Law Reform (Maeve's law) Bill 2021.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Maeve has a severe type of mitochondrial disease that was diagnosed at 18 months. She's a bright and bubbly young girl ¬but she suffers from serious medical issues. Maeve is thankfully still with us, but her future looks bleak.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian Government is committed to helping parents, such as Sarah and Joel Hood, to avoid the heartache, pain and anguish of having a biological child with severe mitochondrial disease. Advances in reproductive technology now mean we can help, by providing those families at risk of passing on the disease with a pathway to having a healthy biological child. This Bill, Maeve's law, provides that pathway.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The science underlying this reproductive technology is complex and new, however it is not untested. Mitochondrial donation is an umbrella term for IVF-based reproductive technology which prevents mitochondrial disease being passed on from a mother to her child, with the assistance of a donor. Mitochondrial donation cannot, however, be used to cure people with existing mitochondrial disease nor can it prevent mitochondrial disease caused by an individual's nuclear DNA.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It has been legal in the United Kingdom since 2015 and so we have looked to the experiences of the UK in designing this Bill. However, we have also carefully considered how this technology can be delivered within the existing frameworks of the Australian health system. To help inform our approach, we have consulted widely in Australia over several years.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In 2018, the Senate Community Affairs References Committee undertook an inquiry into the science of mitochondrial donation. The Inquiry examined the impacts of mitochondrial disease, and the legal and ethical considerations associated with mitochondrial donation. The final report recommended further consultation with the community, relevant experts and the states and territories before the introduction of this technology into Australia. Over 2019-2020, the National Health and Medical Research Council (the NHMRC) undertook a series of consultation activities, engaging with a broad range of experts as well as the broader community.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Together with lessons learnt from the UK, the outcomes from these Inquiries have shaped this Bill. Both identified significant support for the legalisation of mitochondrial donation from clinicians, scientists and advocacy groups.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill outlines a carefully staged pathway toward the legalisation of mitochondrial donation in clinical practice. This pathway balances the significant benefits of enabling impacted families access to this new technology and have healthy babies free from severe disease, with both caution and safety provided by an appropriate regulatory framework.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The first stage will initially allow for lab-based research and training. This will be followed by allowing some families to access the technique as part of a trial at one carefully selected, licenced and Commonwealth funded clinic. This trial will help determine the safety, efficacy and feasibility of the technology preventing serious mitochondrial disease being passed from mother to child.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The trial clinic will need to demonstrate significant experience and expertise in mitochondrial disease and reproductive health. It will also need to demonstrate an ability to provide an equity of access to families, have specialised research and clinical facilities and the expertise to provide appropriate support to all participants.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Should the trial find the procedure to be safe and effective, the Bill contains an option to move to Stage 2, where this new technology will be made available in a broader range of clinical settings. However, progression to Stage 2 will be subject to a separate decision by government. It will be informed by the outcomes from the trial, expert opinion and further community consultation. At this point, states and territories will also have the option of 'opting in' to a national regulatory framework governing the clinical provision of this technology.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill has inbuilt safeguards and protections. It establishes a comprehensive licensing regime to ensure access to this technology is carefully controlled and that the procedure is conducted safely and ethically. Five different categories of licence are provided for in the Bill, corresponding to steps within Stage 1 and Stage 2. Through the process of applying for licences and complying with their conditions, organisations will be closely vetted and carefully overseen by the NHMRC.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The two-stage approach provided for in this Bill was outlined in a discussion paper released in February this year. Public consultations on this have just closed. Overwhelmingly, the Government heard strong support from experts and from those in the community who engaged in the process.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Some members of the community have raised concerns about issues such as privacy of parents and children, creation and destruction of embryos, ensuring informed consent, donor rights, and the newness of the science. I acknowledge that not all members of the community are comfortable with the use of this technology, and that is why a conscience vote will be called for this Bill.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill has been developed in Maeve's honour. Maeve's law will ensure that other children and parents do not have to suffer the devastating consequences of mitochondrial disease - as Maeve, Sarah and Joel Hood have. It will provide parents with the option to have their own biological children free from the burden of this severe disease.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It is incumbent on this Government to give Australian parents the choice and opportunity to have children free from severe disease through the use of reproductive technology and to reduce the burden of disease for future generations. It is also essential that we remain at the forefront of advances in both medical science and reproductive technology. We cannot sit by complacently when the health and lives of Australian children are at stake.</para></quote>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
<para>Ordered that the further consideration of the second reading of these bills be adjourned to the first sitting day of the next period of sittings, in accordance with standing order 111.</para>
<para>Ordered that the bills be listed as separate orders of the day.</para>
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          <title>Investment Funds Legislation Amendment Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7153</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Investment Funds Legislation Amendment Bill 2021</span>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>7153</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bills read a first time.</para>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>7154</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Today, I introduce the Investment Funds Legislation Amendment Bill 2021. The Bill improves the operation of Australian Government investment funds and enhances the ability of the Future Fund Board of Guardians and the Future Fund Management Agency to continue investing for the benefit of future generations of Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Future Fund was established by the Liberal-National Government in 2006. Since then, the Future Fund Board of Guardians, with the support of the Future Fund Management Agency, has grown the Future Fund by over $136 billion. The Board has also become responsible for managing five other Australian Government investment funds since 2006, with total funds under management of more than $245 billion as of 30 June 2021.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Future Fund Board of Guardians has a proven track record of managing investment portfolios on behalf of the Government and maximising returns over the long term, as at 30 June 2021 delivering for the Future Fund a return since inception of 8.4 per cent per annum versus a target of 6.6 per cent. As the size of the Australian Government investment funds portfolio continues to grow, and the investment environment becomes increasingly challenging, this Bill makes important changes to support the continued growth and responsible management of the Government's investment funds into the future.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 1 - Employment arrangements</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 1 to this Bill amends the <inline font-style="italic">Future Fund Act 2006</inline> to establish a new employment framework for the Future Fund Management Agency. The Agency is unique compared to other Commonwealth entities in the scale of funds under management, and that it operates within financial markets in a substantially commercial environment. It is appropriate that the Agency has a management and investment team of the highest skill and expertise. Key investment management staff are therefore recruited from around the globe, and staff structures and remuneration arrangements differ to the Australian Public Service norms. The new framework will provide more operational flexibility by being outside of the <inline font-style="italic">Public Service Act 1999</inline>, similar to other specialised Commonwealth agencies including ASIC, APRA and the RBA.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Under the new framework, Agency staff will be employed under the <inline font-style="italic">Future Fund Act 2006</inline> by the Chair of the Future Fund Board of Guardians, as the Head of the Agency. Staff of the Agency will continue to be Commonwealth employees.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">To ensure the Future Fund Management Agency continues to meet the expectations of the Australian public, the Chair will be required to determine a Code of Conduct and Values that are consistent with the Australian Public Service Code of Conduct and Values. The Agency will remain subject to the Government's policy on the Average Staffing Level cap.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">To ensure a smooth transition, Agency staff will continue to be employed on the same terms and conditions as those that applied immediately before the transition, and will retain all of their existing leave entitlements. After commencement, the Chair will be able to determine new terms and conditions of employment as long as entitlements to staff of the Agency are no less favourable.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The new employment framework will enhance the Future Fund's independence from government, improve its recruitment and retention of specialised staff and allow it to continue maximising investment outcomes on behalf of the Government.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 2 - Freedom of Information</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 2 to this Bill will provide a partial exemption under the <inline font-style="italic">Freedom of Information Act 1982</inline> for the Future Fund Board of Guardians and the Future Fund Management Agency, in relation to investment documents. These entities regularly produce, negotiate and receive documents from third party fund managers that include confidential, competitive and commercially sensitive information. The risk of disclosing highly sensitive commercial and proprietary material has led to investment managers withholding information or reducing their engagement with the Board and the Agency. This presents an investment and governance risk. In particular, it can result in reduced access to investment opportunities and negatively affect investment outcomes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This exemption is consistent with the treatment of other Commonwealth entities that deal regularly with commercial information, including NBN Co, Australia Post and Export Finance Australia. It will provide certainty to the Board and the Agency, and their investment partners, that sensitive investment information is automatically excluded from release under FOI laws.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The <inline font-style="italic">Freedom of Information Act 1982 </inline>will continue to apply to documents concerning the Future Fund Board and the Agency's non-investment activities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 3 - Medical Research Future Fund</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 3 to this Bill amends the <inline font-style="italic">Medical Research Future Fund Act</inline><inline font-style="italic"> 2015</inline> to provide a new disbursements framework and to streamline the administration of Medical Research Future Fund grants programs.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Under the current framework, disbursements from the Medical Research Future Fund are determined annually by the Future Fund Board. The Board's calculation is largely based on the benchmark rate of return for the fund, which is linked to the RBA cash rate. This framework creates uncertain and volatile disbursements, which affects the orderly planning of grants programs from the fund. Further, the historically low RBA cash rate and requirement to preserve the fund corpus have put downward pressure on disbursements.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">With the fund now exceeding its mature balance of $20 billion by over $2 billion, the Government is implementing a new disbursements framework that will provide a fixed maximum annual disbursement of $650 million from 2022-23. This will allow investment returns above this level to accrue to the fund corpus, which can be accessed in later years when investment markets are more challenging. This reduction in distribution volatility will provide greater certainty of funding for the health and medical research sector, and allow the important commitments under the Medical Research Future Fund 10-year investment plan to be met. The responsible Ministers will be required to review the maximum disbursement amount at least every five years and will be able to amend that amount via disallowable legislative instrument. This will provide flexibility into the future and could allow for higher disbursements in the future, if the fund is able to sustainably support them over the long term.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The amendments will also allow the Government to issue a new investment mandate for the Medical Research Future Fund with a higher and more suitable benchmark rate of return aligned to other risk-seeking funds managed by the Future Fund Board. This will increase expected earnings over the medium-term and protect the level of disbursements over the long-term, helping to fund vital medical research and medical innovation projects. It will also simplify and streamline the Medical Research Future Fund's operations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill will also make a number of improvements to the administration of grants programs. These amendments will expand the avenues available to provide funding to the states and territories, reduce the consultation burden on the health and medical sector and allow administrative functions to be carried out by departmental officials while ensuring Ministers remain appropriately informed.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 4 - Emergency Response Fund</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Finally, schedule 4 to this Bill amends the <inline font-style="italic">Emergency Response Fund Act 2019 </inline>to transfer responsibility for expenditure from the Emergency Response Fund to the newly established National Recovery and Resilience Agency and to streamline administrative arrangements for transfers from the Emergency Response Fund Special Account.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government remains committed to providing support for local communities in responding to large-scale natural disasters and undertake new initiatives to manage the impact of future events and the changing climate. The establishment of the NRRA implements recommendation 3.5 of the Royal Commission into National Natural Disaster Arrangements by creating a standing entity with a clear mandate to enhance national preparedness for, and response to, natural disasters. To that end, policy responsibility and administration for expenditure from the Emergency Response Fund has been transferred from Emergency Management Australia in the Home Affairs portfolio to the NRRA, strengthening transparency and assurance over Commonwealth funding towards natural disaster recovery and resilience. The Bill also makes administrative improvements to the operation of the Emergency Response Fund for consistency with other investment funds.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Conclusion</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In summary, this Bill makes important amendments to the employment framework for the Future Fund Management Agency, to reflect its unique operating environment within financial markets while still ensuring the Agency remains subject to appropriate controls in line with community expectations. The exemption under FOI laws will increase confidence in the operation of the law and allow important engagement with investment managers to successfully invest over $245 billion on behalf of the Government where returns benefit all Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The new disbursements framework for the Medical Research Future Fund will provide certainty of funding to meet the Government's 10-year investment plan and support significant disbursements over the long term to fund vital medical research and medical innovation projects.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Finally, the administrative improvements to the Medical Research Future Fund and the Emergency Response Fund will streamline the operation of the funds to support the valuable funding streams they provide into the future.</para></quote>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
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  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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          <title>Autonomous Sanctions Amendment (Magnitsky-style and Other Thematic Sanctions) Bill 2021, Crimes Amendment (Remissions of Sentences) Bill 2021, Independent National Security Legislation Monitor Amendment Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7156</page.no>
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                  <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Crimes Amendment (Remissions of Sentences) Bill 2021</span>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Independent National Security Legislation Monitor Amendment Bill 2021</span>
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            <title>Returned from the House of Representatives</title>
            <page.no>7156</page.no>
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          <title>Aboriginal Land Rights (Northern Territory) Amendment (Economic Empowerment) Bill 2021, Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Legislation Amendment (Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority Board and Other Improvements) Bill 2019, Electoral Legislation Amendment (Political Campaigners) Bill 2021, Treasury Laws Amendment (2021 Measures No. 5) Bill 2021</title>
          <page.no>7156</page.no>
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                  <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Aboriginal Land Rights (Northern Territory) Amendment (Economic Empowerment) Bill 2021</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Legislation Amendment (Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority Board and Other Improvements) Bill 2019</span>
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                  <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Electoral Legislation Amendment (Political Campaigners) Bill 2021</span>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Treasury Laws Amendment (2021 Measures No. 5) Bill 2021</span>
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            <title>Returned from the House of Representatives</title>
            <page.no>7156</page.no>
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        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>7156</page.no>
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          <title>Human Rights Committee, Public Accounts and Audit Committee</title>
          <page.no>7156</page.no>
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            <title>Membership</title>
            <page.no>7156</page.no>
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          <title>Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee</title>
          <page.no>7156</page.no>
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            <title>Membership</title>
            <page.no>7156</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That Senator Pratt replace Senator Carr on the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee for the committee's inquiry into the Religious Discrimination Bill 2021 and related bills.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DELEGATION REPORTS</title>
        <page.no>7156</page.no>
        <type>DELEGATION REPORTS</type>
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          <title>Inter-Parliamentary Union Assembly</title>
          <page.no>7156</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'NEILL</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I present the report of the Australian parliamentary delegation to the 142nd Inter-Parliamentary Union Assembly, which took place virtually from 24 to 28 May 2021. I seek leave to move a motion in relation to the report.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator O'NEILL</name>
    <name.id>140651</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the document.</para></quote>
<para>I would just like to make a few brief remarks on the background for this remarkable organisation, which is actually about parliament-to-parliament contact. It's about parliamentarians actually getting together and understanding more and more of the way the world is working and how we can work together to improve things.</para>
<para>It's an international organisation of parliaments and sovereign states, and it works essentially to promote democratic governance, institution and values, and aims to improve the lives of people right across the world by building strong national parliaments that can deliver better outcomes for citizens.</para>
<para>Originally, the 142nd assembly was scheduled for Geneva, Switzerland, in April 2020. But, of course, like so many of our communications across the world, that was profoundly interrupted by the COVID-19 pandemic. In its wake, the IPU, the International Parliamentary Union executive committee, decided that the 142nd IPU assembly would be held in the week of 24 May 2021 in a virtual format. I can just say that, when the virtual format runs on the time of a European country, it's a little challenging in terms of the representation. My fellow delegates to that virtual IPU assembly were Ms Lucy Wicks, MP, member for Robertson; Senator Sarah Henderson and Mr Julian Hill, MP. With the support of a remarkable secretariat—and I really want to acknowledge the incredible work they do for us—we attended quite a number of sessions between 11 at night and three in the morning to do our bit to stand for the people of Australia, to understand what's going on in other contexts and to represent our great country.</para>
<para>It was a shame that we were unable to join the actual 143rd assembly, this week and last week, in Madrid and be active participants, because the IPU decided that it would be only by attendance, and we were no longer able to meet them between 11 pm and four in the morning—so it turned into a different sort of experience. Sadly, we were unable to make a contribution, but we'll be able to secure the documents and see what we can do.</para>
<para>The IPU has taken this year to renew its strategy for 2017 to 2021, and I think the eight objectives that we have agreed to sign up to with the rest of the participants are really worthy of noting—that is, to build strong democratic parliaments; advance gender equality and respect for women's rights; protect and promote human rights; contribute to peace building, conflict prevention and security; promote interparliamentary dialogue and cooperation; promote youth empowerment; mobilise parliaments around global development agenda; and bridge the democracy gap in international relations.</para>
<para>This is a very, very important international organisation in which Australians have taken a significant and prominent role over many years. It's different from many of the other delegations that might be just incidental; this is a period of commitment over the course of a parliament. Sadly, we haven't been able to do as much work with our fellow parliamentarians around the world as we would have liked but for COVID. So we are where we are and we are hopeful that next year might provide an opportunity for a delegation from Australia to meet formally with others to take our part in the debates about the future of how we can do our best as parliamentarians, servants of democracy, to bring about better outcomes for all people. So I commend the report to the Senate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>7157</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
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          <title>Net Zero Emissions by 2050</title>
          <page.no>7157</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LAMBIE</name>
    <name.id>250026</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate calls on the Morrison Government to legislate their technology-driven plan to deliver net zero emissions by 2050, such that every Australian will be $2,000 better off a year in 2050 compared to a business-as-usual scenario.</para></quote>
<para>I didn't always believe in climate change. I used to think that it was all a bit of beat-up, to be honest, and something that leftie types were drumming up for votes or social media kudos—no offence—but not something that the rest of us really need to worry about. I'd tell people that the weather getting warmer had nothing to do with what humans were doing. I figured that the climate is always changing, and I didn't see what Australia could do about it. I don't think like that anymore; I've changed my mind. A lot of Australians have changed their minds as well. I'm not the only one. And you know what? The coalition have followed suit. They have signed us up for a net zero target for 2050 and they say that every Australian will be $2,000 better off under their plan.</para>
<para>I think it's a good thing that we have a net zero target. Anyone can see that it wasn't an easy process for the coalition to get there, but they did, and I'm grateful that they did. We're all sick of the political back-and-forth on climate change. It's been going on since 2007. The country's moved on. That's why I'm proposing this motion. The motion calls on the government to give Australians certainty that their plan will be the plan from now on. Let's lock it in and get on with it.</para>
<para>While we've all been fighting over emissions targets, we've missed something really important. We haven't done anything to prepare the country for the fires, floods, droughts and storms that are headed our way in the very near future. This is what scares me. We have no plan of attack to deal with the natural disasters that are already destroying people's lives. We have had out-of-control bushfires starting months before the fire season should have begun. People seem to have forgotten about the 2019 fires that were running all the way down the country just before COVID hit our shores. Those fires weren't just ferocious; they were everywhere. The smoke was so bad it went all the way across the Pacific to South America. It went all the way around the world. We lost 34 people, more than 46 million acres of land and thousands of homes. Right now, families are still living in tents because they can't afford to rebuild the homes they lost.</para>
<para>What the experts are telling us is that fires like those—fires that cover the whole country—are going to be more frequent and more full-on. Even if we do pull back our emissions, those fires are coming. This is the problem with the way we've been talking about climate change in our country. No-one—absolutely no-one—is talking about how we deal with the clean-up. There's nothing there to make sure we're ready when the fires hit. It's the same with the floods, the droughts, the storms—you name it. We're going to have more of these extreme weather events whether we like it or not. That's the reality.</para>
<para>So what are we doing about it? When the 2019 bushfires rolled through, we were flying by the seat of our pants, let's be honest. We didn't have boots on the ground when we needed them. Think about what we're asking of our volunteer firefighters. Those 2019 fires started in June—in June! It was the middle of winter, and we already had fires starting. Things got bad in September and they stayed that way until March. That's more than six months of having our firies on standby. We're asking them to be on call in case there's a fire at any time from June through to March. That means they have to be prepared to go to their boss for leave at short notice or turn down shifts at work so they can help their community and go fight the fires. That's not practical and it's not realistic, and neither is it sustainable—it's just not.</para>
<para>That's just when the disaster hits. Then you've got the clean-up. Right now, we're counting on the SES to go in and tidy things up after disasters. They're wonderful people, and we'll always be very grateful for what they have done, but we're asking way too much of them. They don't have enough people either, and that means the Australian Defence Force gets called in. The government admitted they were going to have to rely more on the Australian Defence Force when they introduced a bill last year allowing them to call in reservists to help when a fire or flood has come through. But the ADF are supposed to be protecting our national security from external threats. They aren't really supposed to be in the country handing out bottles of water to people and sandbagging rivers.</para>
<para>We need to get more organised with this stuff. We need to get on the front foot and we need to do it right now, because at the moment we're clearly making it up as we go along. That's going to get harder and harder as the weather gets more extreme. This is what I reckon we need to do. It's actually quite simple. If we want to take care of our country and our communities, we're all going to have to pitch in and do our bit—everyone. We can't go on letting our elderly pick up the slack, because, as I said, they are elderly. Volunteers in this country are getting older. We cannot just continue to allow the elderly to pick up the slack. Everyone goes about their daily life and says, 'No worries; that's fine—they're doing the clean-up,' pretending they don't have a role to play. Guess what? You do have a role to play.</para>
<para>Australia needs a national guard to respond to the threats of climate change. If you're under 25, you are not working or studying and you're physically and mentally able, you will be expected to join up, do your service and help your country—to give back. How about that?</para>
<para>When the fires roll in, the national guard will put boots on the ground to get people out safely, get people housed and clean up the rubble after the fires and floods have gone through. The national guard will build resilience. It will reinforce shorelines to protect houses from rising sea levels, help farmers out with better irrigation systems to manage the droughts, and put levees on rivers so they don't overflow into neighbourhoods when it floods. This is all good stuff that we need to do. But not in 20 years' time; I need them now. The country needs them now. We need to be realistic about that.</para>
<para>For the people who sign up, we'll make sure you have a choice in what you do. You can choose to help out in local community organisations. Or you can decide to go out and fight fires with the fire service. It's up to you. But, whatever you do, you will get your hands on training and a decent job. You'll get paid and you'll be doing something meaningful for your country and your neighbours. There's nothing more hardy than that, trust me. It's going to take a massive change in the way we think about our disaster response. And that's what we need. We need better coordination between the states and the Commonwealth so that we aren't doubling up and going over the top of each other. We need to get a national view of how we're going to manage our response, because the problems we've got are nationwide.</para>
<para>The other thing we need is to do a full risk assessment of what climate change means for this country. An independent risk assessment is the only way to take a good hard look at where climate change threats are going to come from and what we have to do to prepare for them. It's about being prepared: prepare, prepare, prepare. We can't keeping doing what we're doing. We still have people building their houses in flood zones, for goodness sake. They're building houses right next to beach where the water will be at their back fence in a decade or two. You aren't even going to be able to get insurance on those properties pretty soon, and I know some people can't already. But we're letting it happen because there's no planning and no forward thinking.</para>
<para>We're going to look at our farmland and figure out where our food security will be in 10 or 15 years time. We have more severe and longer droughts right now, and that will continue. What do we need to do to help our farmers cope with that? Has anybody even asked them? It's about having a sense of what we're doing and where we're going. It's all well and good to say, 'We'll get there. We'll get to net zero by 2050', but what are we doing on the way there? What road are we on right now? If we don't know where we're going, whatever target we have for 2050 isn't going to matter very much, is it? We'll be in bad shape no matter what.</para>
<para>Australians deserve to know the truth of what to expect over the next 30 years, because the honest truth is that it won't be very pretty. It is going to be tough. Walking around pretending we're all ostriches who can't see what's going on because our heads are in the sand is only making things worse. The reality is that we're all going to have to pitch in. We're all going to be doing the heavy lifting. We won't have a choice. This government and future governments after it are all going to have to figure out how we deal with these more severe national disasters. We won't be in a conventional war; we're going to be at war with climate change. That's the truth of the matter. While you're worrying about targets, I'm more worried about having volunteers and boots on the ground.</para>
<para>I don't care if you tell the universities students they'll get 30 or 50 per cent off their fees if they go and volunteer. I don't care. But right now, we have a very old cohort of volunteers out there. In the next 10 years, or even five years, they won't be there. So can someone please give me the answer to the question: how are we going to fill those boots without doing something like a national guard? Please put it on the table. I'll be working really, really hard during the second half of my term in parliament to push this ahead. I want this national guard up and going. You can no longer rely on our Australian Defence Force. God forbid if we have to send them to Taiwan, because you have no boots on the ground here then. We've got a Defence Force that fills just over half the MCG, and 25 per cent of them are officers; they sit in an office. That's what they do.</para>
<para>We have to be realistic about this. And we've got no-one to clean up; we've got no-one to compare. Really? I think this would be great for the younger generation coming up. We have to be specific. We have to be leaders. We need those boots on the ground, and we need to start discussing this. As a parliament, all of us here are going to have to take hard questions from the Australian public. It won't be easy, but I'd rather tell people the truth about what's going on. I don't even care if I'm leading front and centre and get some smackdowns along the way; I just don't care, because I can see what is going on out there, and it's not much, and we're not prepared.</para>
<para>Climate change is happening. We might be able to reduce emissions and slow that down eventually, but it ain't slowing down tomorrow, and these weather extremes are getting worse. God forbid, I dread to think what they're going to look like in five or 10 years time. So I just want everyone out there and talking about how we're going to do this, instead of talking about how hard we're going to rally and saying we're going to reduce emissions. I want to move to that next stage. It's fine if you want to rally to reduce emission, but, quite frankly, I need young guns out there. You need to be a part of this, because the elderly cannot do this volunteering for much longer. We've got a big gap in society here. That's the truth of the matter. We are running out of time to get ourselves ready. We are already miles behind. And it will be Australians who bear the brunt of that delay. It will be the next generation.</para>
<para>We are miles behind. It is time to get some courage and it's time to start talking about this. It is time to sell this to the next generation, because they are the ones who will be out there with their boots on, cleaning it up. We have to be honest and truthful with them about that. We owe them that. We are leaving them our mess, saying: 'Hey, guess what? It's not about rallies anymore; it's not just about that. We're going to put some boots on.' I'm sorry, but that's just being realistic, and we need to be honest with the next generation about that. That's all I have to say.</para>
<para>I do want to say a very quick merry Christmas to all Australians out there, especially Tasmanians, of course. I know it's been a tough year for all the parliamentarians—a tough couple of years. Sometimes I don't think we give ourselves enough credit. We have been running around with COVID, and that's been really difficult. Many of us, too, have spent a lot of time in isolation. I know we don't say much about that. But I do want to I thank my colleagues in both houses. It hasn't always been easy, as I said, but I wish you all a very merry Christmas and a happy new year—and of course all the staff who work in parliament. Thank you very much. Merry Christmas and happy new year.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ABETZ</name>
    <name.id>N26</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This motion on net zero emissions, on the last day of the 2021 sittings, highlights the top agenda item for Senator Lambie, and it's the extreme-green agenda. You can't pretend to be the champion of the worker and those doing it tough whilst you're in cooee and put forward an extreme jobs-destroying green agenda when in Canberra.</para>
<para>The call to legislate a net zero emissions outcome by 2050 is a glib, shallow approach, devoid of any analysis or consideration for our fellow Tasmanians. Legislation means it would be illegal not to reduce emissions, irrespective of the cost. We all have a common vision, and that is for as clean an environment as possible. To legislate targets may sound good, but it has job-destroying, livelihood-destroying consequences. The extreme-green ideology embedded in Senator Lambie's motion has consequences—job- and livelihood-destroying consequences. It will hit the poorest hardest, and our manufacturing jobs. Legislating targets is exactly the same as saying you support a carbon tax—something the Australian people, quite rightly, comprehensively rejected in 2013. Handing over control of our economy—our Australian jobs—to courts and activists, which would occur if this was legislated, is something the coalition will never do, but Senator Lambie champions it. It is irresponsible. A bit of research tells the story, but of course doing research might mean a bit less time for dancing for TikTok.</para>
<para>Where climate targets have been enshrined in legislation in the last two years alone, the people have been the losers. Look at Germany. Look at France. Look at the United Kingdom, where extensions to Heathrow Airport, under this type of legislation in the proposal of Senator Lambie, were delayed. The motion would usher in a new era of green lawfare. But, of course, Senator Lambie voted recently to protect the Bob Brown Foundation, to enable it to continue its un-Tasmanian work.</para>
<para>On this side, we have never legislated emissions targets—and for a good reason: it destroys jobs for everyone other than for green lawyers. On this side, we make calculated, balanced commitments, and then we get on with meeting them and beating them. We beat our 2020 target. We're on track to meet and beat our 2030 target. The only time an emissions target was legislated in Australia was the carbon tax. And that didn't end very well, did it? The people repudiated the Labor-Green carbon tax, without hesitation. They will do so again, even if Senator Lambie is used as the stalking horse for the Labor-Green alliance. It really does seem that Senator Lambie has been sitting between Labor and the Greens for a little too long, and the colour with which she started off her political branding—namely, yellow—seems to change to green when she hits Canberra.</para>
<para>But let's be clear: emissions are already more than 20 per cent below 2005 levels, while our economy has grown 45 per cent. We're on track to meet and beat our 2030 target. We've set out a credible plan to achieve net zero emissions by 2050. Here I have the comprehensive book setting it out, with over 100 pages—and of course, that is so much more hard work than a glib two-line motion before the Senate. We've set out a credible plan, preserving jobs in existing industries, taking advantage of new economic opportunities to grow jobs, ensuring our regions grow even more jobs and establishing Australia as a leader in low-emissions technologies.</para>
<para>We do this through technology, not through taxes, and by empowering choice and delivering affordable—a word never mentioned by Senator Lambie—reliable energy to all Australians. We achieve this by getting the cost of clean energy and low-emissions technologies down, not by driving up the cost of meat, fuel or steel, or of aluminium and other goods that use intensive energy. We need to protect the cost of living—something of which Senator Lambie's contribution was completely devoid. Those doing it tough rely on us to have the calibration of our policy position to ensure that they can make their household budgets balance. That's what we are on about. A carbon tax, albeit by a different name, and sector mandates, favoured by supporters of this motion, would shred affordability.</para>
<para>Australia will achieve net zero emissions by 2050 in the Australian way, and that isn't through an expensive, job-destroying, ham-fisted, mandated, one-size-fits-all legislative fix, which is being promoted by the Australia Institute—of which Senator Lambie, in recent times, seems to have become the ventriloquist's doll. We will act in a practical, responsible way to reduce emissions while preserving Australian jobs and taking advantage of new opportunities for industries and regional Australia. Our plan is not a plan at any cost. It will not shut down manufacturing production or our exports. It will not impact households and jobs. There's a very straightforward message: you can either adopt this flawed, glib, green motion, or you can be clever and clean, which is our Liberal-National Party practical approach in this policy area.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>287062</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Green, unfortunately we've run out of time for the debate. I wish you a happy Christmas.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>7160</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Days and Hours of Meeting</title>
          <page.no>7160</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the Senate, at its rising, adjourn till Tuesday, 8 February 2022, at midday, or such other time as may be fixed by the President or, in the event of the President being unavailable, by the Deputy President, and that the time of meeting so determined shall be notified to each senator; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) leave of absence be granted to every member of the Senate from the end of the sitting today to the day on which the Senate next meets.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>STATEMENTS</title>
        <page.no>7161</page.no>
        <type>STATEMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Valedictory</title>
          <page.no>7161</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr President, it is the end of what has been an extraordinary parliamentary year. It has been the most challenging of years—certainly that I can recall in my time in this place, and we have seen many things occur over those 14½ years. It's a time where individuals working in this building and those who have worked here have been challenged, perhaps more than any other time, and have challenged us, and rightly so.</para>
<para>I want to begin my remarks tonight by acknowledging survivors of bullying, sexual harassment, sexual assault and abuse through this parliament, through parliamentary workplaces and right across the country. It's a year in which their heroic voices have been heard, in which changes and actions have been taken that are so necessary to occur and in which I trust and hope that all have learned to listen a little harder, think a little more and ultimately ensure their behaviour meets appropriate standards. Yesterday when I addressed coalition staff I said to them that they should all show respect and expect respect. That is something we should all take out of this year as we move forward in terms of the lessons from this year. We should ensure that all act in such a way.</para>
<para>It's a year where the country has continued to be challenged, not just by distressing stories but also by the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic. We started this year, I think, with great optimism, prior to the delta variant striking, becoming the dominant strain and having impacts across nations all around the world. In this city it had an impact that had not yet been seen in relation to COVID-19 and caused a prolonged lockdown here in Canberra, as it did across Sydney and Melbourne. That had particular repercussions for many of the people upon whom we rely: the people who run and operate this parliament across parliamentary services, the people in COMCAR, the people in all the parliamentary departments and other departments of state across Canberra who had to keep the wheels of government and the wheels of parliament turning—notwithstanding the dramatically changed circumstances in which they worked and changed circumstances that become ever more challenging as they dealt with both the personal and the professional challenges of COVID, of lockdowns, of restrictions and of working from home whilst also, in the case of places like this, needing to facilitate at least a physical presence as well.</para>
<para>I do pay enormous tribute to all across the parliament, particularly those in this chamber and the Department of the Senate; the Clerk and his team; and all of those in DPS and the other services of the parliament who have had to respond—as they did last year, but perhaps with even greater challenges this year—and ensure that through the oddities of remote participation the safety and conduct of the Senate could continue and that we could deliver the type of certainty that Australians expect. They've done that, of course, alongside some changes in leadership as well—a new President and a new Speaker.</para>
<para>Mr President, again I congratulate you and thank you for the manner in which you have assumed this office, as I thank your predecessor, former Senator Ryan. It was such a delight to see him once more this morning. We continue to salute his service to this parliament, particularly his service to this chamber as its presiding officer.</para>
<para>This place works with cooperation, convention and the ability to put our differences aside when required. I thank my opposite number, Senator Wong, her leadership team and colleagues, as I do Senator Waters, Senator Hanson and all of those across the crossbench. We all have to find the means to be able to engage from time to time to get things done. We need to cooperate and put aside differences.</para>
<para>We've seen challenges in terms of conduct in this place. That is something that all senators need to reflect upon. If there is a pledge people can make for 2022, it is to enter this parliament, and this chamber in particular, with the fiercest and strongest of arguments for the battle of ideas, not with the personal derogations or sledges that undermine those arguments.</para>
<para>Mr President, as you well know, I am blessed with a fantastic team that support me: my deputy leader, Senator Cash; our manager of business, Senator Ruston; her deputy manager of business, Senator Duniam; the Leader of the Nationals in the Senate, Senator McKenzie; our Chief Government Whip, Senator Dean Smith; his longstanding deputy now, Senator McGrath; a newer deputy—who replaced you, Mr President—Senator Chandler; and the Nationals Whip, Senator Davey. You all help to make sure that in this place I can have confidence that the government's agenda is being pursued and interests upheld and that the team is working as it should without the need for me to be here breathing down everybody's neck every minute and every second of the day. I thank you all very much for that and for the confidence I can have in what you do. You should all be very proud of what we have managed to achieve.</para>
<para>We are each blessed with some wonderful staff who help us get the job done. I thank all of the staff of every senator, but I do single mine out a little more. I want to thank my chief of staff, Rachael Thompson, who has been with me from the moment I was appointed a minister back in 2015. She has been my chief of staff through a number of portfolios. She does an incredible job not just leading my team but providing incredible support to so many. I also single out Loretta Sist in my office, who has been with me from day one as a senator, which was 14½ years ago, particularly for her work while I held the Special Minister of State portfolio through some very challenging times and when supporting other staff across this building was so essential. I can see the two guys sitting in the advisors box—Mamms and Jono. They are well-known around this chamber. They are incredibly important for the operation of the chamber, as are all of my team and all of your teams. We owe our staff that support and respect.</para>
<para>Next year will be an election year. Of course, we will go into battle in our great democracy to see which side of this chamber we come back to sit on. We are fortunate to live in a country where that battle will be done and had peacefully. Australians will have their say at the ballot box in a manner in which ultimately we can, will and must all have confidence in the result. We saw in the last 12 months what happens when people undermine aspects of that democracy. We need to make sure that we speak as one as democratically elected officials with that confidence in our democratic processes as we head to that election.</para>
<para>As we all prepare for the election, I wish everybody across the chamber all the best—not so much for the election but in the rest of your preparations. I particularly encourage everybody outside of the coalition to take a very long and restful break over the Christmas and new year period.</para>
<para>Everyone has earnt and needs a break during this time. I do hope, Senator Wong—as I am watching you now—that next year when we come back, COVID-19 can enable us to take down the perspex, to have people back in their normal seats and to go back to having glasses of water, which I am sure are more environmentally friendly than these bottles. And I too have had many bottles where I keep twisting the lid and it just doesn't open, which can be very frustrating at times!</para>
<para>But, seriously, to all who celebrate the spirit of Christmas: a very, very merry Christmas. To all across the chamber: please take the time to be with your loved ones. We sacrifice an enormous amount in these jobs, as do many in our teams—being away from our loved ones. For those who had long periods of quarantine during the course of these sittings and so on, it's been an added strain on those loved ones. Take that time and have a very happy new year, and I look forward to seeing you all back for battle, in the most respectful of ways, in 2022.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I am glad to have the chance to place some remarks on the record as we end this parliamentary year. It has been a hard year. It has been a hard year and a disruptive one for the country. Pandemic lockdowns, separation from family and insecurity of employment and in business are some of the jagged features of the year we've had. It's also been a hard year and a disruptive year for this chamber and everybody in it and everybody who supports all the people who are in it. With the isolation of lockdowns and extended periods of quarantine, it has certainly been a year that I'm quite happy to move on from, and I think everybody else would agree with that.</para>
<para>I will start by saying that leading this Senate Labor caucus is an enormous privilege and something for which I'm deeply grateful. I'm very proud of our team and the unity of purpose that we demonstrate. I am pleased to put on the record on behalf of my team greetings of the season and thanks. There are a few thankyous. Firstly, I acknowledge you, Mr President. Twelve months ago I didn't think I would address a new president at this time. I think you said that yourself—that you didn't expect to be in this role. I do wish you well in this important role and I look forward to our continued engagement through the perspex. My thanks particularly to the Deputy President and Chair of Committees, Senator Lines. She is onto her third president.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>See, she's demonstrating. I'm just putting it out there; I'm not making a comment on it. She does a fantastic job. I said this to her privately and I'm happy to say it publicly: Sue hasn't missed a sitting, I don't think, notwithstanding being from WA, with all of the quarantine that we know that brings. That's a big effort, and I really thank her for it.</para>
<para>To Simon: I've always enjoyed a cooperative working relationship with you. I agree with you: sometimes people don't get this but, having a strong working relationship, if not always agreement, across parties is vital to the democracy. I sometimes think he has a hard job. He's got a lot of opposition in front of him and a little bit behind him at times. I don't know if he misses Mathias more than I do or less. I do want to say one thing, though. Senator Birmingham is part of a political power couple in our state, with his partner, his wife, serving as the chief of staff of the Premier. You can tell by the fact that we've spent so much time in quarantine that he has not managed to get any favours for either of us as a result! I wish sometimes he could have done so.</para>
<para>If people would allow me, I want to pay particular tribute to the Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, Senator Keneally. This may or may not be the last time we will get to be together in this chamber, depending on whether or not Mr Morrison goes a bit early. I want to say in this place that Kristina has been an outstanding deputy. I've been able to count on her every single day. She is a rare talent. She's fearsome and courageous and she strengthened our team immeasurably. I am sad to lose her from the Senate, but I know she will be a formidable representative for the people of Fowler, and I wish her the very best. I haven't been able to guilt her into staying! As second best, I hope she makes a long and successful contribution in the House of Representatives. I thank her for her friendship.</para>
<para>I also thank, as always, my dear friend and colleague Senator Gallagher, our manager. This is the finest group of women I've worked with. This year has been a particular feat of endurance for Katy Gallagher, not only as chair of the COVID committee and with all the work she does here, but also, in the midst of all of this, because of the way in which the COVID-19 pandemic became real for her and her family. She demonstrated through that the character that she has. Put simply, Katy's just a great human being. It's great to work with you.</para>
<para>To the opposition whip and deputy whips—Senator Urquhart, Senator Ciccone and Senator McCarthy—whipping is the centre of chamber management, and I really want to thank you and your staff for all their work. This has been an even tougher year with all the travel and pairing and remote participation, and you've done a great job. Thank you all for your work. I know that opposition senators are really grateful for your work.</para>
<para>I thank all of my team for their commitment to advancing the Labor cause in the Senate this year. We don't win all of the time, but I always reckon we outperform our numerical position. It's going to be a tough few months, but we hope to be on the other side by the time I'm giving these remarks next year.</para>
<para>I have a few thanks to the people who support us to be here. First, thanks to the Clerk, Richard Pye; the Deputy Clerk; the whole Senate team; and the staff of the Department of the Senate. Thank you for all of your work for what is, I think, such an important institution of the democracy. Particular thanks go to the chamber attendants, who really keep this place ticking along. I particularly acknowledge the service of Adrienne Morrison, who, as the President of the chamber acknowledged this morning, is retiring after 15 years. Thanks to the secretary and staff of DPS. In particular, thanks to the cleaners, who are often not recognised sufficiently, and without whose service this place wouldn't run. Thanks to COMCAR and all of those services, the parliamentary security team and the AFP. Thank you for all the work you do to keep the parliament operating safely.</para>
<para>I do want to particularly express thanks for the efforts of all opposition staff. Staff have a unique role in the jobs we undertake, as contributors to and witnesses to some of the most consequential decision-making for the nation. They serve us professionally and they serve us tirelessly. As we have heard this week, this workplace has not always been the model that we would hope it to be or that the Australian people expect it to be, something which we must all collectively work to improve. Political staff make significant personal sacrifices to serve us. They make those sacrifices without complaint or resentment. Especially in a year like this year, when many of them have spent extended periods of many weeks in Canberra due to border restrictions, I say to all of them: we are grateful.</para>
<para>To all senators: it's been a year when, I think, a lot of passion and emotion has been expressed. As I've said many times in this place, this is where conflict is engaged in. I hope we can all work to contain that—sometimes successfully and sometimes not. Whatever differences we have, we all have people whom we love and cherish. So my hope for you is that, in this time ahead, everyone here can reconnect with those we love and replenish this most important part of our lives.</para>
<para>Finally, to Labor members and supporters throughout Australia, including the labour movement: on behalf of the Senate Labor team, I extend our gratitude and our hope that the holiday season is a happy and safe one. May Father Christmas deliver on 25 December and may we and the country deliver at the election in 2022. We know, with your support, we will. Merry Christmas, everybody.</para>
<para>Honourable senators: Hear, hear!</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This has been our decade year, so it's great to still be in the chamber. I think the tone of today's contributions really reflects the year that our country and our chamber has been through. So, like Senator Wong, I'll be very glad to see the back of 2021. I think our country is with us in echoing those sentiments.</para>
<para>I want to say thank you to our staff, too, and the families of the senators who I'm very proud to lead. They work very hard, often in trying circumstances, and it has been a challenging year for our staff. I want to say a huge thankyou to them.</para>
<para>The National Party Senate team are very proud of what we've been able to achieve this year: fighting for forestry, competition law and labelling laws; saving two seats in the Northern Territory; ensuring Australia Post continues to carry firearms legally; having a serious and considered debate on water policy; ensuring that local content is protected in our film industry; and, from the AWI to the ABC, coming to this place and making sure that those government entities which service our nation—but particularly us in the regions, as we are never going to be able to access these services as a result of commercial operations—are held to account is very important.</para>
<para>I've been very privileged as Leader of the Nationals in the Senate to work with a new Senate leader, Simon Birmingham, and his team. Thanks to the respect and communication we've developed—not only between ourselves but between our staff—we've been able to manage some very challenging periods and issues over this year. I want to say a huge thankyou both to your staff and to you as individuals. We, as a coalition, serve a very broad group of people in the Australian public, and we've been sent here to serve them. Thanks to the way we handle our relationship as the two parties of government, we really can achieve the best for them.</para>
<para>I'm privileged to serve and lead very courageous, principled and passionate National Party senators, who often have different views from each other, let alone from many in this chamber. The way they can have those conversations respectfully in this chamber really reflects what is unique about where and how we serve. The five people I lead are also very proud of who they are and where they come from; I think their voice is unique in this parliament, and I'm so proud to be part of a democracy that allows that minority voice to be heard.</para>
<para>COVID wasn't the only challenge that APH has experienced this year. I'm proud, again, to be part of a generation of parliamentarians, across the divide, who are going to see change in our workplace because of the decisions we as individual senators and members will make as a result of what has occurred and been disclosed throughout this year. I'm not shirking that responsibility. We're going to get there; we're the generation of change that's going to make this happen. That's going to be a good story.</para>
<para>People have thanked the gardeners, the COMCAR drivers and the attendants. Thank you, particularly for carrying in all my folders of recent months. To the gardeners: I walk in every day, and it is such a blessing to walk through such magnificent gardens here in APH. I find, given we're inside all the time, that those moments where we can run between courtyards for votes et cetera and feel the natural environment are important. This is our home away from home, and all the staff at APH, whether they're at Aussie's, our security guys or the COMCAR boys—and I'm saying that because they are actually both men, Lindsay and Andrew—take care of us. People say it's a boarding school. I think it's actually more of a home.</para>
<para>I'd like to also thank my chief of staff, Liz Dowd, who leads an incredible team of professional, passionate people in my office. I'd like to thank my deputy leader, Matty Canavan, and Perin Davey. It's no easy task being the Whip of the National Party in the Senate, I can tell you. She does it with aplomb, class and strength, which is amazing.</para>
<para>I wish everyone in this chamber and more broadly across our country a very COVID-safe Christmas, and recognise that for many this is the first time for years that you may have seen loved ones—not because they're overseas but because they're here and they just happen to be in the wrong state. I hope you get to hold them, laugh with them and share with them. I wish you all a very peaceful, loving and joyful Christmas, and I look forward to punching on next year.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Reflecting on my remarks from last year, I thought 2020 was a bin fire, but 2021 has trumped it. We need a bigger bin for it to get in. It was another tumultuous year for our country and for the world. On behalf of the Australian Greens, I express love and support to all Australians who have suffered this year. I commend all the remarks that have been made and associate myself with them. I will start by thanking the staff in this building and those who work in electorate offices. For us they are the backbone of how we do our work, and it's absolutely critical we make sure that this is a safe workplace for them which they can be proud of and continue to want to work in.</para>
<para>It has been a year of reckoning, with the brave disclosures of women like Brittany Higgins and Rachelle Miller being the catalysts for so many other stories told. The <inline font-style="italic">Set the standard</inline> report released this week is a line in the sand that we cannot turn away from. We must seize the opportunity to make this place better, to set that standard that the community demands and to live up to it. I look forward to working with everyone in this place to implement the Jenkins recommendations in full.</para>
<para>To the formalities here in parliament, we farewelled former president Scott Ryan. I place on record our thanks for the work that he did keeping the chamber functioning during the pandemic. We also welcome the new President to the role, and I think he has well and truly been initiated in these last few weeks—let's hope, anyway. Let's hope that everything is different next year and that everybody is happy and well. I extend the Greens' thanks to the Clerk, Richard Pye, the Deputy Clerk, Jackie Morris, and to everyone at the Table Office and the Procedure Office. To those in the drafting office, I thank you for working so hard for us Greens and for us all. To the Senate staff, the wonderful attendants and to Adrienne, who is retiring after so many years in this place, thank you for all of the water. I, too, look forward to using normal glasses again in future.</para>
<para>I thank the Parliamentary Budget Office—in a re-election year, we've kept them very busy, as I'm sure you all have. I thank the Parliamentary Library staff, who do excellent research work and always answer our tricky questions. I thank the COMCAR drivers, the security guards, the baristas, the cleaners, the early childhood educators, the chefs at the trough and the gardeners. I thank the Department of Parliamentary Services staff for all the service that you give us, morning, noon and night. I thank the IT teams for keeping democracy functioning in a pandemic, particularly during the innumerable sittings, meetings, and estimates and committee hearings. I had to hold up a note only once to say that I couldn't hear, and that's not a bad record. Remote parliament has provided some important flexibility which I think we could all carry forward, and it has also helped to personalise the experience in some ways, as pets and kids and all sorts of things popped up in the backgrounds. No-one was a cat, so I guess we can call that a win! I hope that this parliament can use the success of the past 18 months to start looking at ways to encourage the greater participation and diverse representation that remote parliament could provide.</para>
<para>To all my colleagues in this place, I thank you for your commitment to try to make the world a better place, even though we disagree on how that should happen. I acknowledge your commitment in performing these roles. It is not easy on us or our families, so I thank you for doing it. Thank you to all the citizens in our electorate who contact with us stories. It's critical that we remain connected with the community and the people we represent. To my wonderful staff, I'm eternally grateful for your support. To all of my Greens Senate team, you are amazing, dedicated people—they are, clearly, not here because they're already on their way home after an enormous year they have all worked so hard on. I acknowledge that this year we farewelled the indefatigable Rachel Siewert, whom we dearly miss. We know she's very happy in her new role, but the place is different without her. In her stead we have the wonderful Dorinda Cox, who has already made such an impact, and it's a testimony to what she brings to this place that we already have an inquiry into missing and murdered First Nations women.</para>
<para>Rach, of course, left the task of Greens Whip open, and I acknowledge Senator McKim, who has taken on that task—and I suspect he's regretting that decision; however, it's too late now!</para>
<para>I'm very much looking forward to getting home to my kids, as I'm sure we all are. Please look after yourselves over the holiday break. See you all next year.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>There being no other speakers, I wish to add a few personal reflections on the year that's been. It has been a strange year. Many weeks have been spent away from family and friends, and far too many weeks in lockdown. But during that time, when I've been in Canberra, I've been reading <inline font-style="italic">The </inline><inline font-style="italic">Lord </inline><inline font-style="italic">o</inline><inline font-style="italic">f </inline><inline font-style="italic">t</inline><inline font-style="italic">he Rings</inline> to Jonathan, Eleanor and Felicity, chosen not just for its length—we commenced this long journey with Frodo in May, and we're only about halfway through. It has been one of my favourite books, carried through from my youth to adulthood. I tell you this to explain why, as we close this very strange parliamentary year, a quote from that most excellent of hobbits, Bilbo Baggins, came to mind:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.</para></quote>
<para>Now, as you puzzle that out—as have Proudfoots, and as did I when I was a young boy reading the book—I will assure you it is praise, but it is praise with a dose of humility. Taking the time to connect with our colleagues is never time poorly spent. As we all know, connections across the chamber are valuable and productive. To display civility in the face of fundamental ideological difference is the exemplar of our democracy and, particularly, of this chamber, the Senate. It is the reason I honour this place, and it is the reason I believe the role I fill is such an important one. As I take time this summer to reflect, one of the things I'll be reflecting on is how I can, in this busiest of workplaces, assist the Senate to more strongly embrace this civility.</para>
<para>I have more people to thank than in previous years. Very quickly, to Richard and his team in the Clerk's Office and John and his team in the Black Rod's Office: thank you all so much. I'm sure the change of presiding officer is viewed with some trepidation, but I very much appreciate all the advice and support I've received. The chamber attendants have been thanked so much: you deserve it. Thank you. To the whole staff of the Department of the Senate, who looked after us through these difficult COVID times: we all thank you so much. To Rob, Cate and all the staff of the Department of Parliamentary Services—cleaning, IT, catering, security staff and gardeners: they do a remarkable job looking after us and looking after our democracy.</para>
<para>To all our staff: you all do a remarkable job, and I hope you all get to enjoy a break. To my staff: I cannot thank you enough. To my team in Perth, Grace, Sonya, Reilly, Neve, Catherine and Lewis: I assure you that I will actually be out of quarantine and back in the office at some point! To my new team of Vincent, Duncan, Fiona and Shirin: thank you for supporting me in my new role so well. To Sue Lines, Deputy President of the Senate: thank you for your assistance over the past weeks as I took up the role of President. You have been an enormous support to me. I also wish to acknowledge Scott Ryan and Tony Smith, who have both assisted me enormously in recent months. And I hope and I am sure that, no matter what the future holds, it will almost certainly be slightly calmer than the role of presiding officer.</para>
<para>Finally to you, my colleagues, Senator Birmingham, Senator Wong, everyone in the chamber and those who couldn't be here: there are those who I know in this place deeply, whose friendship, counsel and support I greatly cherish, and there are some who have recently arrived to this place. To one and all, I offer my thanks and my sincere hope for a safe, peaceful and blessed Christmas to you all. And I'm sure we all look forward to stepping into our own homes and saying: 'Well, I'm back.' And, yes, that is another <inline font-style="italic">The </inline><inline font-style="italic">Lord </inline><inline font-style="italic">o</inline><inline font-style="italic">f </inline><inline font-style="italic">t</inline><inline font-style="italic">he Rings</inline> reference. Merry Christmas to you all.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>7166</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Community Affairs Legislation Committee, Community Affairs References Committee, Economics Legislation Committee, Economics References Committee, Education and Employment Legislation Committee, Education and Employment References Committee, Environment and Communications Legislation Committee, Environment and Communications References Committee, Finance and Public Administration Legislation Committee, Finance and Public Administration References Committee, Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Legislation Committee, Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee, Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee, Legal and Constitutional Affairs References Committee, Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee, Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee</title>
          <page.no>7166</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Membership</title>
            <page.no>7166</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have received a letter requesting changes in the membership of various committees.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That senators be discharged from and appointed to committees as follows:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Community Affairs Legislation and References Committees</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed—Participating member: Senator Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Economics Legislation and References Committees</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed—Participating member: Senator Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Education and Employment Legislation and References Committees —</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed—Participating member: Senator Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Environment and Communications Legislation Committee —</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Discharged—Senator Van</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Participating member: Senator Van</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Environment and Communications References Committee —</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed— Participating member: Senator Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Finance and Public Administration Legislation and References Committees —</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed—Participating member: Senator Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Foreign A ffairs, Defence and Trade Legislation Committee —</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed—Participating member: Senator Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee —</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Discharged—Senator Antic</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Van</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Participating members: Senators Antic and Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation and References Committees —</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed—Participating member: Senator Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation and References Committees —</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Discharged—Senator Rennick</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appointed—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Mirabella</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Participating member: Senator Rennick</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>30484</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Senate stands adjourned and will meet again on Tuesday, 8 February 2022 at 12 noon.</para>
<para>Senate adjourned at 18:05</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
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