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    <date>2018-10-16</date>
    <parliament.no>45</parliament.no>
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            <a href="Chamber" type="">Tuesday, 16 October 2018</a>
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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">The PRESIDENT (Senator the Hon. </span>
            <span style="font-weight:bold;">Scott Ryan)</span> took the chair at 12:00, read prayers and made an acknowledgement of country.</span>
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        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>1</page.no>
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          <title>Tabling</title>
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        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
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  <para>I remind senators that the question may be put on any proposal at the request of any senator.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>PRIVILEGE</title>
        <page.no>1</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESI</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>DENT (): Senators, by letter dated 27 September 2018 Senator Burston has raised a matter of privilege, alleging that, by removing him from positions within Pauline Hanson's One Nation party and pressing him to resign from the Senate, Senator Hanson has sought to improperly interfere with the free performance of his duties as a senator and to penalise him for his conduct as a senator. Senator Burston suggests that these actions were intended to influence him to change his vote on government legislation in the Senate.</para>
<para>Where a matter of privilege is raised, my role is to consider whether a motion to refer the matter to the Privileges Committee should have precedence in debate. In doing so, I am bound to have regard only to two criteria in privilege resolution 4. The first of these criteria seeks to reserve the Senate's contempt powers for matters involving substantial obstruction to the Senate and committee processes or to the performance of senators' duties as senators. Any credible allegation that a person has sought to intimidate a senator to change their vote is a serious one, meeting the first of the criteria I must consider. The question of whether, in these particular circumstances, such an allegation warrants investigation is one not for me but for the Senate.</para>
<para>The second criterion, regard for the existence of any other remedy, recognises that the Senate is generally reluctant to deal with conduct as a contempt where another more appropriate avenue for redress is available. It may be that there is an alternative remedy available to Senator Burston for his treatment within his former party's organisation. However, only the Senate can deal with allegations of improper interference with its own proceedings. Accordingly, on the basis of the criteria I am required to consider, I have determined that the matter should have precedence as a matter of privilege.</para>
<para>As I have said, the question of whether the matter warrants investigation as a possible contempt is a question for the Senate. That being the case, I consider it appropriate to draw to the attention of the Senate the guidance provided by the Privileges Committee in a somewhat similar matter involving former senator Grant Tambling, whose preselection was withdrawn after he declined to follow his party organisation's directions on a piece of legislation. The committee's guidance indicates a high degree of reluctance to intervene in internal party matters but does not entirely close the door on the possibility that the Senate's contempt jurisdiction might be invoked in such circumstances. The matter was dealt with in the committee's 103rd report, for the reference of senators. I table the correspondence and I now call Senator Burston to give a notice of motion in respect of the matter.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BURSTON</name>
    <name.id>207807</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I give notice that, on the next day of sitting, I will move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following matter be referred to the committee of privileges for inquiry and report:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Having regard to the matters raised by Senator Burston in correspondence tabled by the President on 16 October 2016:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) whether, by removing him from positions within Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party and pressing him to resign from the Senate, Senator Hanson or any other person has sought to improperly interfere with the free performance of his duties as a senator or to penalise him for his conduct as a senator; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) if so, whether any contempt was committed in that regard.</para></quote>
<para> </para>
<para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BURSTON</name>
    <name.id>207807</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I just ask that this be dealt with during discovery of formal business tomorrow.</para>
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        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>2</page.no>
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          <title>Australian Society</title>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
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  <para>I seek leave to make a brief statement in relation to the government's position on motion No. 1092.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>When the Senate voted on motion No. 1092 in the name of Senator Hanson yesterday, the government should have voted to oppose that motion. Indeed, when this motion was first lodged in September and we considered our position on it then, we made a clear decision to oppose it to make a statement in our own words that, as a government, we deplore racism of any kind. We did not make a decision to actually support the motion as circulated. While the motion was not dealt with on 20 September 2018, that is the position that should have been maintained when it was ultimately moved yesterday. As a result of an administrative process failure, that did not happen. As leader of our team in the Senate, I take responsibility for that and apologise to the Senate.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the government's stated position on racism in Australia.</para></quote>
<para>I rise to respond to that somewhat pathetic attempt at a clean-up. That's what it was: a pathetic attempt at a clean-up, where this minister has to come in and try and take on the chin the fact that they all voted for a motion that included a phrase that everybody knows is used by white supremacists—all of you did so. Now you want to come in and say, 'Oops, we made a mistake.' Well, we don't believe you; no-one believes you. Everybody knows that this is a just a craven and pathetic attempt to try and clean up your mess.</para>
<para>The reality is yesterday's decision by government senators to vote in favour of a phrase created and disseminated by white supremacist groups around the world is a shameful episode in this chamber. It is a phrase created by white, right-wing extremist groups in the United States with the sole purpose of causing a backlash to help convert people to the cause of the neo-Nazis and extremist groups like the Ku Klux Klan. There is nothing innocent, nothing unknown and nothing hidden about this phrase. Frankly, the claim that somehow the government didn't understand this or didn't know about it is not believable. Frankly, if Mr Christian Porter wasn't aware of the true meaning behind this phrase, then how is he fit to be the Attorney-General?</para>
<para>As for the government senators who walked in here like sheep yesterday to stand up behind One Nation and Senator Hanson, frankly, do you really deserve to be here? Who is running the government? Are you so lacking in basic decency, so lacking in understanding and so lacking in commonsense you just walk in and vote for a motion like that without actually looking at it on the basis that somebody in some office somewhere supposedly made a mistake? Do you really have no understanding of what One Nation was trying to achieve here?</para>
<para>It's not as if this was a surprise. Senator Hanson gave notice of this motion almost a month ago on 19 September. It was due to be voted on the next day. There was extensive publicity at that time about the motion, its true meaning and what supporting it would say about the parliament and the people in it. It sat there for nearly a month on the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline>, and yet we are now supposed to believe that no-one in the government paid attention, some junior staffer ticked it off and then government senators just filed in and sat behind Senator Hanson, oblivious to the fact that they were endorsing a racist motion designed to promote Nazis, the Klan and other white supremacist groups? It is simply not believable.</para>
<para>Then, when this is finally pointed out to them, do they apologise? Do they seek to recommit the vote? No. They doubled down. One after the other they lined up on Twitter to defend their actions. The Attorney tweeted:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The Government Senators' actions in the Senate … confirm that the Government deplores racism of any kind.</para></quote>
<para>Senator Cormann is so outraged by this that he retweets that and then adds his own comments in support for good measure.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>But do you know what actually made them change position? Not principle; not the fact that they were standing behind a white supremacist slogan; and not the fact that they were yet again lining up behind Senator Hanson in some hopeless and vain attempt to protect their right-wing base. No. It was only when the Liberal candidate for Wentworth came out against the motion that it started to dawn on the government that they might have made a mistake—not that it was wrong in principle to support a motion that can be characterised as akin to something a neo-Nazi would support; not that it was wrong to be led by the nose by Senator Hanson. What they really responded to was that it might cost them votes in Wentworth.</para>
<para>And hasn't that been a pattern today! The Prime Minister flagged that he's prepared to dump Julie Bishop and Alexander Downer's longstanding bipartisan foreign policy because he thinks it might save the seat of Wentworth. And, now, the government are belatedly trying to walk away from their support for this appalling motion, again, because they're worried about the seat of Wentworth—not because it was wrong. So this doesn't have anything to do with correcting the record, and it certainly has nothing to do with doing the right thing. It's entirely about trying to clean up the mess ahead of a by-election they're worried about losing.</para>
<para>In closing, my challenge to the government is this: if you're serious about fixing this up, why don't you recommit the motion? Why don't you recommit the motion and not allow, in a multicultural nation, this stain to remain on the record of this Senate?</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
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  <para>I'll give the Leader of the Government in the Senate precedence and then come to you, Senator Di Natale.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you very much, Mr President. I thank Senator Wong for her contribution and, on behalf of the government, I seek leave to recommit the vote on motion No. 1092, which was voted on yesterday.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cormann, I've just been advised—</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Wong interjecting—</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm going to provide a ruling with advice from the Clerk. The advice I've received is that we need to continue this debate and then, following that, Senator Cormann, I will seek leave of the chamber to put the recommittal of the vote. I will go to Senator Di Natale.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Mr President. What happened in this chamber yesterday was an absolute disgrace. Let's be clear about what happened. The Liberal Party endorsed the words used by white supremacists and neo-Nazis. Those words are the catchcry of people who wear white hoods on their heads. Those words are the catchcry of people who believe that African-Americans should swing from trees. They are the people who use those words, and yesterday you got together and endorsed them and gave them succour. You said to people across the country that you think it's okay to demean people on the basis of their skin colour; that you believe that it's okay that people who aren't white should be treated as second-class citizens. That's what you did yesterday. And you know what you're doing today: you don't have the guts to stand behind those words, which were deliberate and calculated.</para>
<para>Let's be honest. Let's actually name what is going on here. This is a party that fears losing to its competitors in One Nation the votes of people who vote on the basis of a racist ideology, and it is trying to get them back. When debate on that motion was being conducted yesterday we saw those people sitting over there who felt uncomfortable, but the racists and bigots on your team won. They won, as they have won comprehensively on every debate that has been about decency in this chamber. You should be ashamed yourselves for what you did. Rather than having the guts and owning up to it and being clear about why you've done it, today, when you've got a backlash and because you're about to lose a seat in Wentworth—where there are decent people who want to see a Liberal Party stand up for people no matter where they come from—you're caving in. You didn't have the guts to do it yesterday, and you're caving in today.</para>
<para>And where's the Prime Minister on this? He says it's 'regrettable'. Well, it's more than regrettable; it's shameful. It's unacceptable. There was a time when the Liberal Party would never have even considered contemplating a motion like that.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>With the passage of every day, you are looking more and more like One Nation and less like a party of government.</para>
<para>This was about politics. This wasn't about decency. This wasn't a mistake. For goodness sake, there were two lines in this motion. All you had to do was read the two lines and decide which side of the chamber you were going to sit on. That's not an administrative error; that's an error. That is on the basis of a party that has lost its moral compass. That was an error of morality and decency, not an administrative error. For goodness sake, we understand that the Leader of the Government in the Senate has problems counting. He proved that a few weeks ago when he tried to roll the Prime Minister. But that's not what this was about. This was about making a decision about the future of the Liberal Party. Do you want to be a party that represents people right across this country who have chosen to make it their home or do you want to be a party that represents the worst of Australia—a party that appeals to those people who vote for One Nation on the basis of race?</para>
<para>Being white in Australia is like winning the lotto. Being white in Australia affords you all sorts of privilege. Let me tell you what it's not okay to be in Australia. It's not okay to be an Aboriginal person because you're more likely to get locked up and to be exposed to your families being torn apart and you're more likely to end up dying younger and sicker. It's not okay anymore to be an African in this country because you've got people like Peter Dutton trying to sow the seeds of fear and division. It's not okay to be a Muslim in Australia because, if you're a Muslim in Australia, you get the dog whistling from members of the Liberal Party telling you that it's not okay to express a different faith. We hear a lot about religious freedom in this country, but not if you're a Muslim. If you're a card-carrying conservative Catholic, you might be able to express your views, but not if you're a Muslim.</para>
<para>This was a shameful episode in the history of the Liberal Party. We may be poles apart politically, but there was a time when the Liberal Party would never have contemplated supporting this motion. And now it doesn't have the guts to stand up and say why it did it. It's trying to rewrite history. We know why you did it. You did it because you are chasing those people who have deserted you, and, rather than standing up to them, you caved in to them.</para>
<para>Australia is a proud multicultural country. People from right across the world have chosen to make Australia home, and we are better because of it. I fear for what this election holds for those people because this is a taste of things to come. We are going to see an election fought on racism, on fear, on division. And let me tell you that we on this side of the chamber are going to stand up to you every second of every day. There are people going about their daily lives right now who, as a result of the actions in this chamber, are going to suffer the racism and bigotry that you are helping to unleash. The actions in this chamber send a message to the community about what standards are acceptable. And when a governing party stands up and says to the country, 'We endorse the words of neo-Nazis, of white supremacists, of racists and bigots,' it gives licence to those people in this country—small in number but loud in voice—who will seek to attack good people in our country. We stand up against it. We condemn you for your actions. At least have the courage to say why you did it.</para>
</speech>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HINCH</name>
    <name.id>2O4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>For Senator Cormann to get up and say this was an 'administrative process failure' is a disgrace. We all sat here yesterday. We know what happened. I sat next to Senators Waters and Faruqi and looked across the chamber after Senator Hanson moved her motion. I stood and argued against it and said it was so bad and so racist and bigoted that it could have been written on a piece of toilet paper.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>We sat there as the bells started to ring for four minutes, and I saw a couple of government members walk in and sit down on this side of the chamber. I turned to Senator Waters and said, 'They've made a mistake.' I was genuinely shocked that a government member would come and vote in support of this disgusting, despicable motion. And then we read this morning that it was 'regrettable' for the Prime Minister. Senator Di Natale is right: it's not regrettable; it's bloody disgraceful.</para>
<para>Senator Cormann, who I've respected in the past, and the Attorney-General now say it was an administrative process failure. Where was the process failure when you put your bloody tweets out yesterday saying how wonderful it was? You voted with Senator Hanson because you wanted to prove how lovely and nonracist you are. You supported that, Senator Cormann. You backed it up. And now we're being told some poor junior in the Attorney-General's office has been thrown under the bus because you made the deliberate decision to back Pauline Hanson on this disgusting issue.</para>
<para>You can't say you didn't know it was coming. We sat here yesterday afternoon as you started to come in and sit down. You heard Labor and Greens senators yelling at you: 'What are you doing here? Are you crazy? Are any of you actually thinking about this?' I actually got a short tweet from Peter FitzSimons asking, 'Did any of them—did one government member of the Senate—vote against it?' I said, 'Not one.' At least some of you—very few of you—had the decency to sit there looking uncomfortable because you knew that what you were doing was wrong. Overnight, some of you have said, 'We've got to get out of this.' I guess those senators were thinking that Redfern is not inside the Wentworth constituency. This is disgusting. This was wrong. The fact that you are now trying to weasel your way out of it is just not right. It is dishonest. The Greens are right, and Labor is right: you knew it was a slogan by the KKK. You know it's from neo-Nazis and extremists. You know that. This was like the final solution speech—'Oh, we didn't know!' You have a hundred more staff than I have and I knew. My few staff knew, so you can't hide behind that.</para>
<para>You've known for a month about this. I stood here that day that Senator Hanson was about to launch us on the 'I'm white and I'm okay' debate. I wrote down some words. I didn't get to use them because the government and I presume the President, with respect, decided to push it down the list and we ran out of time and didn't get there. I saw Senator Hanson sprint up to the President at the end of that time for motions and complain to the President that she hadn't been heard. She knew she'd lose the vote, so she went on Sky the night before and boasted about what she was going to do. She went on Twitter the day before and said, 'Look at me—we're going to do the "I'm white and I'm okay" number.' She knew and she was disappointed that she couldn't get off the ground what I call the verbal burka stunt. She did yesterday. The verbal burqa stunt got off the ground yesterday, and you—the government—voted with her. You backed her, and you should be bloody ashamed of yourselves.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Clearly the position taken by the government yesterday was most disturbing. That has been dealt with by the speakers thus far. I know there are some very good people on the other side of the chamber, and I'm a bit disappointed that someone didn't actually intervene yesterday when that motion was being put. I want to add to something that Senator Hinch touched on slightly. It's an important thing. I want to read what the Attorney-General has put out in relation to this. I'm just reading one paragraph of what he said. He said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">It appears that, of the very large number of motions on which my office's views are routinely sought, this one was not escalated to me because it was interpreted in my office as a motion opposing racism. The associations of the language were not picked up. Had it been raised directly with me those issues would have been identified.</para></quote>
<para>I'm a bit disturbed that a staffer in this place would be held responsible for something that took place in the chamber, for a position that was taken by the government in the chamber. We all have very hardworking and very intelligent staffers. It's not appropriate for people to blame staffers for positions taken here in the chamber. I ask the Leader of the Government in the Senate to seek clarification that no staffer is being held responsible for it and to perhaps get someone to put up their hand and say, 'Look, that was my mistake.' I think a member or a senator would be most appropriate.</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KENEALLY</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Let's talk about Wentworth. Specifically, let's talk about the most recent member for Wentworth, Malcolm Turnbull. He used to be fond of saying that we, in Australia, are the most successful multicultural nation on earth. How the times have changed. How they have changed in the Liberal Party in just a few short weeks. How they have changed in Australia thanks to the lack of leadership from the government when it comes to the issue of race.</para>
<para>John Howard, a former leader of the Liberal Party and a former Prime Minister of this country, knew that One Nation and its divisive and racist rhetoric was the wrong prescription for this country. He shunned them. He rejected the racist rhetoric. How times have changed. Yesterday, the Liberal Party did a complete 180. They walked into this chamber and, instead of following the lead of John Howard and of Malcolm Turnbull, they followed the lead of Pauline Hanson. They followed the lead of One Nation. They deliberately chose, knowing exactly what they were doing. Does anyone in this chamber or this country really believe that Senator Cormann and the ministers and the senators in the Liberal Party are so poorly prepared and so ill equipped to be senators and officeholders in this country that they don't know what they're voting on? They walked into this chamber and knowingly voted with white supremacist racist rhetoric, to stand with Pauline Hanson and One Nation.</para>
<para>We have a by-election in Wentworth this Saturday. We have a by-election in Wentworth where the Liberal Party has endorsed a Jewish candidate. He must be appalled.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Molan</name>
    <name.id>FAB</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>He's not Jewish. He's Indian.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KENEALLY</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>He was the ambassador to Israel. He has strong links to the Jewish community, and he must be appalled. He must be appalled by what is happening to the Liberal Party. It's no surprise, given the by-election reality that the Liberal Party is facing in Bennelong, that they came in here with this fiction that somehow they didn't know and that somehow they were unaware that we were talking about white supremacy rhetoric, white supremacy positioning and white supremacy ideology when we were looking at that motion moved by Senator Hanson yesterday. What is their excuse? The excuse from Minister Cormann was that it was an administrative error. An administrative error? Come on. This is the man who's the minister for finance. He's in charge of the nation's finances and he can't even manage a simple motion that comes before the Senate? It was a motion, as Senator Hinch said, that was only two lines. It wasn't hard to read.</para>
<para>What was Minister Porter's argument? Minister Porter's argument today was to blame the help. What a classic Liberal approach: blame the help. They say, 'It's the staff who got me into this trouble.'</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cameron</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Michaelia Cash excuse. It's the Michaelia.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KENEALLY</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>As Senator Cameron observes, it's a tactic that's been used by Senator Cash. Senator Porter picked it up yesterday. While we are on the subject of Minister Porter: Minister Porter, the Attorney-General of this nation, is the one who tweeted yesterday in support of the vote taken by his Liberal Party colleagues in the Senate to back in One Nation and their divisive, white supremacist, racist rhetoric.</para>
<para>Senator Cormann retweeted Minister Porter's tweet. Minister Porter was quite happy to own this yesterday. And why do you think Minister Porter might have had a view that yesterday the Liberal Party should back in a One Nation motion supporting white supremacy?</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Is it by any happenstance that, just on the weekend, One Nation endorsed their candidate for Pearce, which is Minister Porter's seat? He's running scared—he's got a close race there and he's up against One Nation, so what does he do? He thinks he can just pull a fast one and throw the One Nation Party a bone—and no-one's going to notice, are they? Well, guess what Minister Porter? Guess what, Senator Cormann? This Senate noticed. We were gobsmacked when you all sat over there backing in One Nation's white supremacy rhetoric. We were gobsmacked. And the nation noticed. That is why you're in here today with this humiliating backdown—'Oh, it was an administrative error;' 'Oh, I'm blaming the staff';' 'Oh, it wasn't me.'</para>
<para>How can you look at this motion and not see it for what it is? It is divisive white supremacist rhetoric. If you don't know that, let me acquaint you with recent history. A report from the Anti-Defamation League last year said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">On top of everything else, the phrase 'It's okay to be white' actually has a fairly long history in the white supremacist movement. While far from the most common white supremacist slogan, it was in use enough that white power music band Aggressive Force even used the phrase as the title of one of its songs—a song that dates back at least to 2001, if not earlier. ADL has tracked white supremacist fliers featuring the phrase 'It's okay to be white' as long ago as 2005. In 2012, a member of Ku Klux Klan group United Klans of America actually even used the hashtag #IOTBW on Twitter.</para></quote>
<para><inline font-style="italic">Newsweek</inline>, November 2017, discussed the recent history of the phrase:</para>
<quote><para class="block">'It's Okay to Be White' started on the imageboard site 4chan, a favorite online hub for young, white males who consider themselves part of the so-called alt-right movement. Anonymous users of that site posted a 'game plan' urging people to hang 'It's Okay to Be White' signs on college campuses in an attempt to bait people into an overreaction against an ostensibly benign statement.</para></quote>
<para>It is not an ostensibly benign statement, Minister Cormann. You should know that. Minister Porter should know that. Every single one of your senators and ministers should know that. It is a white supremacist statement.</para>
<para>David Duke, former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, tweeted on 29 July 2018, 'Never forget it's okay to be white.'</para>
<para>He went on to say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Our clear goal must be the advancement of the white race and separation of the white and black races. This goal must include freeing of the American media and government from subservient Jewish interests.</para></quote>
<para>This is where the white supremacy movement marries up with the anti-Semitic movement. Understand this: this dissembling by Minister Cormann is nothing more than an attempt to try and distance the government from the anti-Semitic movement while they are facing a tight by-election in an electorate that has a high Jewish population. If we weren't facing a by-election this Saturday, I have no doubt that they would stand by this motion and they would stand by One Nation. They are only in here today because they have been caught out just days away from a crucial by-election in a seat with a high Jewish population. It is not principle that brings Minister Cormann to the chamber today to attempt to clean this up; it is political necessity and convenience. It is not principle at all.</para>
<para>The people of Wentworth, as they are looking at their choices this weekend, have the opportunity to send a clear message to Minister Cormann, to Minister Porter and to the Prime Minister, Scott Morrison.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>They have a great opportunity to send a message on behalf of the whole nation: 'We reject racism. We reject the divisive rhetoric of One Nation. We reject any suggestion of white supremacy entering into the mainstream of Australian politics.' It is the Liberal Party that brought white supremacy into the mainstream of our political debate yesterday. It is the Liberal Party that brought white supremacy into this Senate yesterday and endorsed it. It is not just up to us who are privileged to serve here in this Senate but it is also up to our nation to send a clear message to the Liberal Party: 'We reject it.' As the people of Wentworth go to the polls this weekend, they know that they have a choice and that they can send a clear message. They know that if they vote for Dave Sharma, they are actually voting for a party that stands with One Nation and some of the most divisive rhetoric that we have seen enter this chamber.</para>
<para>Minister Cormann may well seek here to reverse this vote. Senator Wong has opened the opportunity for him to do so.</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Jacinta Collins</name>
    <name.id>GB6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>She recommended it.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Indeed, Senator Wong, in fact, recommended it. If Minister Cormann takes up that recommendation, it is just another step in his humiliating backdown. It is not a backdown of principle. It is a backdown of convenience.</para>
<para>Minister Cormann got up today and said: 'I'm not racist. I'm just sloppy.' Frankly, we don't believe you're sloppy. We believe the Liberal Party yesterday showed us their racist colours. They deserve to be condemned, and I am very happy to stand with those senators—Hinch, Wong, Di Natale and Patrick—who have spoken today to condemn yesterday's vote.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I would like to make a very brief contribution on administrative errors! I wonder if it was an administrative error when Senator Keneally was Premier of New South Wales and she appointed to the ministry Ian Macdonald, who last year got jailed for 10 years!</para>
<para>Opposition senators interjecting—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Wong, on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Wong</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I would have thought you'd take the opportunity to—</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will.</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Wong</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You're going to get to the neo-Nazi support shortly, are you? I ask that because this is not relevant to the motion before the chair.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The motion is that the Senate take note of the minister's statement. That's traditionally quite a wide brief. I'll listen carefully to what the senator has to say, but I'm not willing to rule it out of order just yet.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm talking about administrative errors. I want to refer to Senator Keneally, who just gave us a big lecture, and make a point on the mistakes she made when she was Premier of New South Wales. We know the history of all of that!</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Jacinta Collins interjecting—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WI</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I like being provoked, Jacinta! I want to make this point.</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Dodson interjecting—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Dodson, I'll take that objection because I want to make this point: when it comes to the fact that it's a white supremacy statement that it's okay to be white, I was ignorant. I had no idea what the statement meant. It was something that was never discussed in the shearing sheds, Senator Dodson, in the trucks or on the farms. I had no idea of that. So I admit my ignorance on that very issue. Life is a learning experience. I've learnt now.</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Cameron interjecting—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cameron, if I were only like you, I'd know everything, wouldn't I! I want to make this point: those opposite, who are standing up now holier than thou and giving lectures, have a record of mistakes in administration as well!</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Jacinta Collins interjecting—</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order on my left, Senator Collins.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What the coalition government did yesterday was shameless and it was shameful. You knew exactly what was in the motion; you had it for three whole weeks! So don't try to give us this rubbish that it was an administrative error. Senator Pauline Hanson's motion was exactly about white supremacy, and you knew that. You just don't give a damn!</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Now that you've had a little bit of a backlash, you're trying to backtrack. How low can the Liberal-National government get in this parliament?</para>
<para>I do want to put your minds at ease about one thing though. I can assure you, I can assure the government and I can assure everyone else that it is, and it absolutely should be, okay to be who you are—black, brown, white, or anyone else. But also let me tell you what it's not okay to be. It is not okay to be a racist. It is not okay to come in here and peddle white supremacy. It is not okay for the Minister for Indigenous Affairs to vote for a white supremacist motion. And it is not okay for this parliament—in any way, shape or form—to affirm a phrase that is heavily associated with and heavily rooted in neo-Nazi groups, the Ku Klux Klan and Nazi websites like the Daily Stormer. You all know that. And if you don't, then you should know that.</para>
<para>Yesterday we saw the Liberals and the Nationals file in here, one after the other, to vote for Senator Pauline Hanson's motion that was, as we all know, a slogan and a strategy that came straight out of the white supremacist and neo-Nazi playbook in the United States. Some, I must admit, did walk in here a little bit sheepishly, obviously browbeaten by the party rule. Others, however—the far Right majority it seems—walked in here quite triumphantly. So don't try to pull the wool over our eyes, saying you didn't know what this motion was all about. You knew exactly what this motion was about, yet you all sat there and you voted for racism. You voted against a multicultural Australia.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Hanson-Young</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>In fact some of them were proud of it.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Absolutely; they walked in here triumphantly. By voting for this motion, the government sent a message that white supremacy is okay. That's what you did yesterday. That's probably what you believe in anyway. It is a complete disgrace and it has absolutely no place in Australia.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STORER</name>
    <name.id>275424</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I was very pleased to be part of the majority that defeated Senator Hanson's motion yesterday. It's very important to note that this motion was on the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline> in September, so it's been there for a significant period of time. There was plenty of time to review it, no matter what sort of a status you have in your office regarding advisers and the like. It's easy to say that coalition senators should have been thinking more deeply, but this was ridiculous and it was disgraceful. I see children above us here, watching us, and I hope that they can have this situation explained to them in a way that gives them faith in what the adults in this room are doing.</para>
<para>White oppression is not a problem in Australia, and to say so is quite clearly drawing an extremely long bow. Senator Hanson then added in a phrase that was clearly designed to bait and exacerbate the situation. This motion was something that was easily accessible; it was able to be read and reviewed within 30 seconds. This slogan is used by white supremacists, and we want to move as far as we can away from that sort of behaviour in Australia. We are one of the most successful multicultural nations in the world. Motions like yesterday's, particularly when a major party is supporting them, are extremely disturbing, and I'm very glad that I wasn't part of it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Everything that we say in this Senate chamber and everything that is said in the House of Representatives actually does matter. We might stand up here for minutes or for hours discussing all sorts of things, but the Australian people actually listen to what we say. There have been numerous comments on social media pages; there have been phone calls about the absolute hurt, disgust and distress at why this was something that the Senate would even consider.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>The Senate has so many important issues to debate and to put forward in motion to improve the lives of disadvantaged people in this country and to improve the lives of all people of all colours, creeds and races.</para>
<para>When Senator Hanson moved the motion in here that it's okay to be white, I was looking for a champion on that side—a bit like Ron Boswell, a former Nationals leader who stood up, fought very strongly and knew, when it came down to it, that it really mattered that our country respected the differences and did so in a way that didn't denigrate and put down the lives of others. It is not okay to pinpoint, to humiliate or to make people feel that their achievements are less important than the next person's. When I sat in here and watched senators on the other side support the motion, I was looking for that Ron Boswell. I was wondering who was going to stand up and say, 'Hey, we're on the wrong side.'</para>
<para>We all know that Senator Hanson has form. We know in this Senate, in the parliament and right across Australia that Senator Hanson has form. The last champion who stood up against her sat in that seat: the former Attorney-General, George Brandis. Not only did we have a champion in him but all of this side stood up and applauded. What did we applaud? We applauded the real values of this country and that we will not tolerate racism; that we here in the parliament of Australia that represents all Australians will not tolerate racism. We will not accept it in any form, least of all a senator parading about in a very important guise that matters to so many Australians and not because there was any sincere intent—the intent was not sincere—to portray the different multicultural aspects of our country. That was not sincere intent, and George Brandis picked it for what it was. You failed to do that, Senator Cormann, and every senator on that side failed to do that.</para>
<para>There are moments when our country needs its leaders to see things for what they are. You were wilfully blind and wilfully deaf, and you come in here now and do not even have the graciousness to say, 'I'm really sorry.' Senator Dodson and myself, and Linda Burney in the House, as First Nations people, and other members of multicultural backgrounds, sit in here hoping that the parliament will always rise above those worst kinds of our human nature, which is what we must always unite in doing in this country. We must unite against those things that divide us based on our race and against those things that divide us on our disadvantage and differences in this country.</para>
<para>I am totally disappointed in the indigenous affairs minister. That is someone who should have been the champion on that side. That is someone who knows what it's like for First Nations people in this country to fight to have equal rights and to be unemployed to such an extent where they're being breached at extraordinary levels in this country, entrenching them in poverty to such a degree that it's a treadmill they cannot escape from. That is the champion we needed to see on that side of the Senate. The injustices that face First Nations people are injustices that continue. Just ask the families of Bowraville, who, decade after decade after decade, still do not have the answers to the murders and disappearances of their children.</para>
<para>Senators, there are 76 of us. We debate so many issues in this house, but there really does come a time when we have to call things for what they are. Motion No. 1092 was the most disgraceful day for our Senate.</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ANNING</name>
    <name.id>273829</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Yesterday Senator Hanson moved a motion that merely condemned the rise of antiwhite racism and said it's okay to be white. There is absolutely nothing racist about these words, no matter how many on the other side try to bully us into believing it. Senator Hanson and I have had our differences, but she is completely correct on this. I agree it is okay to be white and I commend the government for supporting this motion, at least yesterday. However, the hysterical response of the opposition, the Greens and the media to anyone daring to say it's okay to be white only proves Senator Hanson's point. Right now in the Senate what we are seeing is antiwhite racism in action.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cameron</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Absolute rubbish!</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Cameron.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cameron</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Absolute rubbish!</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cameron.</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Cameron interjecting—</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cameron, I've called you three times.</para>
</interjection>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>SIEWERT (—) (): I rise to make a brief contribution to this debate and explain to the government why the Greens will not be granting leave to recommit this motion. I was in the chamber yesterday for the whole of motions. When this motion came up and the division bells were rung and the government senators started filing in, I was one of the ones who were—I'll admit, Mr President—being unruly, as I was yelling across the table saying: 'What are you doing? What are you doing?'</para>
<para>Senators who came into this chamber from the government side of things knew what they were doing and chose to sit in those seats, so much so that, when Senator O'Sullivan came in and I was yelling at him, asking him if he knew what he was doing, he said: 'I don't know and I don't care, because you're over there, which means I'm over here. That's all I need when I come in. I don't look for the whip. I look for you people.' He then got out the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper </inline>and was looking at the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Pa</inline><inline font-style="italic">per</inline>. So it's a fiction to say that the government senators did not know what they were voting for. They did know what they were voting for, or many of them who sat there did—because he still sat there. When he read the motion, did he say: 'Oh my goodness me! I'm on the wrong side. We are making a mistake'? Did he say that? No, and neither did any of the other senators.</para>
<para>The Greens are not going to let the government get away with the fiction that this was a mistake, because it wasn't a mistake. We can't grant them leave to recommit, because you do that when there is a mistake that has been made or someone was out of the chamber. I've been in this place many times when this has occurred, including with some of my own senators, because they missed a vote. This is not that situation. The government knew what they were doing, and they've come back in here because they've seen the backlash from the community—and you've heard very eloquent contributions about the impact that has had on the government. What we will do, however, is give the government leave to bring in a new motion—if they want to do that today—that expresses this Senate's support for a strong multicultural community in Australia. We will support and give the government leave to bring in a motion of that nature, but we are not about to contribute to the fiction that there was a mistake made.</para>
<para>We all make mistakes. I acknowledge that. We have. I'm sure that none of us can stand, hand on heart, and say that we don't make mistakes. But this was not a mistake. Senators on that side of the chamber knew what was going on. They could not have not known what was going on, given the ruckus, quite frankly, that this end of the chamber was making yesterday—and I freely admit that I was one of those people saying, 'What are you doing?' In fact, I was probably using stronger language than that. They knew what they were doing and they still sat on that side of the chamber. Thank goodness yesterday the majority did not support that view, but it would be good for this chamber to pass a motion that expresses its strong support for our multicultural community in this country.</para>
<para> </para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll be brief. I've seen some racist claptrap in my time in this place, but I have to say that what we saw yesterday from the LNP was down there with the worst of it—the very, very worst of it. And then they compounded the terrible error they made yesterday by coming in here today and claiming that it was because they'd made an administrative error. Leave aside the fact that the bells rang for four minutes. Leave aside the fact that everyone on that side of the chamber can read okay, I presume, and had the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline> in front of them and had the capacity to make their own decisions. Leave aside all those things, and look at the context in which the LNP made the decision to vote for white supremacy in this Senate chamber yesterday. When you look at the context, you can actually understand that this was yet another step down a path that the LNP has been walking with absolute and utter deliberation for some time now in Australian politics.</para>
<para>We only found out in the last few days that neo-Nazis have infiltrated the Young Nationals. And, as an aside I might add, we found out in this chamber yesterday that they didn't even need to bother! Look at what the government has been saying. Government ministers were out there asserting that people in Melbourne were too scared to go out to dinner because of Sudanese gangs, ignoring the fact the Victoria Police have been very clear that there are no such things as Sudanese gangs operating in Melbourne. Again, not so much the dog whistle but the racist foghorn from Minister Dutton and ultimately former Prime Minister Turnbull, who backed his minister to the hilt when he was asked about Minister Dutton's assertion that Melburnians were too scared to go out for dinner and visit their local restaurants because of Sudanese gangs.</para>
<para>This government has made an absolute art form out of dancing with, and embracing, white supremacy. The only surprise about yesterday's vote was how blatant they were about it. Let's not forget they are running an offshore detention system based on torture and child abuse, and there is not a single white person locked up on Manus Island or Nauru. That regime has racism at its very core. We've seen them trying to introduce the White Australia policy by stealth, making it more difficult to get citizenship in this country if you come from a non-English-speaking background. Again, that is inherently racist. They're locking up Indigenous people, our First Australians, in record numbers. Yesterday was not an administrative error. This was a carefully calculated step down a path that the Liberals and Nationals have been walking with absolute deliberation for some time now. We do not accept that this was an administrative error, and that is why we're not going to give the leave that Senator Cormann will shortly seek.</para>
<para>What we are going to do is to continue to stand up for multicultural Australia and continue to stand up for every Australian to be treated equally no matter where they're from, no matter what language they speak at home, no matter how good their English is, no matter the colour of their skin, because it's only when we do that that we can give everyone in this country the maximum opportunity to prosper and the maximum opportunity to live a good life. If we are not about providing people with the best chance to lead a good life, what in fact are we doing in this chamber?</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like to put a few comments on the record in relation to this discussion. Yesterday, when the motion was being voted on, it was clear what the motion was. It was clear that it had been put up as a provocative stunt by Senator Hanson and One Nation. What was shocking was that the coalition decided to vote in support of it. And there was jeering across the chamber yesterday from some members of the coalition who said, 'I don't know what it is, and I don't care.'</para>
<para>Most of us in this place knew what it was about, and most of us cared. Thankfully, the majority of this chamber was able to defeat the motion. But the government has one of two problems or possibly both. Either they have members on their bench who are just so dull that they can't read the motion that they're voting on, or they don't care. Or in fact it was all a much more calculated decision and they just got caught out. I suspect that it was the latter because we know this motion has been sitting on the books for three weeks. There had been discussions. Apparently the Attorney-General's office knew about it. The leader of the government in this place knew about it. There was obviously a decision to vote yes for this motion, hoping that only the racists would notice and nobody else would. You got caught out, and why is that? It's because, fundamentally, Australia is a decent country.</para>
<para>The majority of people in this country are shocked and horrified that this type of attitude is being represented in this place. And the backlash from yesterday's support of the government of Pauline Hanson and One Nation was swift and it was fast, which is why we see the grovelling response today. But to try and blame this on some administrative mistake is laughable. No-one believes it. We know there are members on your own benches who would prefer to sit with Pauline Hanson than to sit alongside their own colleagues. You're a party riddled with division. And, as you fight amongst yourselves, you want to expose divisions that are in the broader community for your own political expediency. It's revolting, it's unbecoming of a government and you should be ashamed of yourselves. You're only coming into this place today because you're worried it might cost you the seat of Wentworth. I hope it does. You don't deserve to win that seat. You don't deserve to be in government. You've shown over and over again you don't deserve to represent and govern this country, with attitudes like this stinking on your benches.</para>
<para>There are decent people in the Liberal Party and there are decent people in the National Party, and those people must be horrified by some of the attitudes that surround them in that party room. We know there are decent people in the Liberal Party because we've seen three of them stand up today. We've seen three members of the Liberal Party stand up and say, 'Enough is enough,' in relation to how children are being treated on Nauru, and I tip my hat to them. What a pity their voice is so squashed, muffled and suffocated inside the rest of the coalition.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>You're not sorry for voting for the motion yesterday; you're sorry you got caught out. You don't deserve to win the by-election. You don't deserve to be in government. The attitude presented by voting for this motion yesterday is not an attitude of a government that is prepared to govern for all; it's a government that is prepared to do whatever it takes to grovel to the darkest corners of society, to exploit division and hatred and fear. Senator Anning stood up here today clearly articulating that he knew exactly what this motion yesterday was about. Senator Pauline Hanson and One Nation knew exactly what this motion was about, and so did the government. It is appalling that it took decent Australians to have to call you out so swiftly for you to realise that you perhaps had better come in and clean it up. I'm not prepared to just allow you to recommit this vote. You don't deserve it. If you want to put in a motion that says you condemn that attitude then I'll think about supporting it. But you stuffed up and got caught.</para>
<para>There are members within the Liberal Party and the National Party who think the same as Pauline Hanson, and the sooner you get them out of your party and out of government, the better. It is time to stand up for decency and the history of this country, which has built itself on welcoming people. We don't need to go back to a white Australia. We don't need to pretend that there was some romanticised view of the world back then. It's 2018, and we are a proud multicultural nation. One in every three Australians in this country was born overseas. I'm glad they've chosen to make Australia their home. I'm glad to be and proud of living in a multicultural nation, in a community that accepts and celebrates diversity. We're much better and stronger for it. But we are being let down every day by the cowardice and racism that is reeking from inside this government.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I foreshadowed earlier, I seek leave to have the vote taken again on general business notice of motion No. 1092.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I should say, for the clarity of the Senate, I have had the Clerk staff notify Senator Hanson as a courtesy that this was coming up.</para>
<para>Leave not granted.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Suspension of Standing Orders</title>
          <page.no>12</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That so much of the standing orders be suspended as would prevent me moving that the vote be taken again on general business notice of motion No. 1092.</para></quote>
<para>Let me make a few brief remarks. The first point I would make is it might seem implausible, as has been argued by a number of senators in this debate, that this was an administrative process failure, but as implausible as it might seem it is actually the truth. It is often said that, when wondering whether something is a conspiracy or a stuff-up, they go for the stuff-up every time. This was a motion that was initially lodged on 19 September. It was meant to come to a vote on 20 September.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>The position adopted by the Liberal-National Party Senate team for a vote that day was to oppose the motion to make a statement that the government condemns any form of racism. But, as the Senate would be aware, the motion did not come up on 20 September. We didn't get to it. We ran out of time to deal with general business notices of motion. Yesterday, the motion came back. I was, and a number of us were, focused on dealing with a number of other matters, and this slipped through in the wrong way.</para>
<para>I take responsibility. The buck stops with me in the Senate. For those who said that I declined to apologise, that's not true. If you look at my statement, I did apologise. This is, for me personally, severely embarrassing. I clearly was of the view, and my team was of the view, that this is a motion that should have been opposed. It's because of the reasons that I've outlined in my earlier statement and in my press conference earlier today that this didn't happen. I thank Senator Wong for giving us the opportunity to recommit this vote so that the final vote recorded by the Senate truly reflects the views of government senators in relation to these matters.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Labor Party recognises the established Senate principles around voting and misadventure. The opposition welcomes the government's statement and will support the opportunity to have this vote. But I did want to go to what is at the heart of what has caused the government so much of a problem in this regard, and that is the fact that they are so divided on how they deal with One Nation. That is actually the point as to why they came to have this misadventure yesterday when they supported it.</para>
<para>For three weeks they've had the opportunity to consider their position on this motion. In fact, they would have had a position on this when we last sat because it was due to be debated that day. So for them to say it was some sort of administrative error is just completely nonsensical because they had to consider a position on this before the last sitting day that we had. They've had more than three weeks to consider this. Then yesterday they spent all evening backing in their decision, trying to justify the vote that they took in this chamber.</para>
<para>At the heart of it is the dysfunction within the Liberal-National Party over how to deal with One Nation. We've seen it in this chamber, in the two years since I've been elected, with their voting record. They don't know how to deal with One Nation in this regard—whether to cuddle them or whether to fight them. We've also seen it in numerous state elections that we've had in the two years since. We saw it in Western Australia, where the Liberal-National Party cuddled up to One Nation, and Senator Cormann was at the heart of that. I saw it in Queensland at the last state election there, where the LNP did a deal with One Nation, and they suffered the consequence as a result. We know of the damage that the voting record between the government and One Nation has had, and that has been at play in the last two years.</para>
<para>The most recent example was in the Longman by-election. I was out there campaigning, and I saw how closely the LNP and One Nation were working together. They were hand in glove on polling day and in the lead-up to polling day. It was a concerted coalition effort between the Liberal-National Party in Queensland and One Nation. We saw the consequences of that at the ballot box, where the Liberal-National Party vote crumbled. It went backwards 10 per cent, and Labor were able to retain that seat, in no small part due to people rejecting the LNP and One Nation vote.</para>
<para>What we know on the Labor side—and we've had a principled position on this for more than 20 years—is that the only way you can defeat One Nation is by fighting them. We take the fight to them at every opportunity we get. Whether it's policy or whether it's political, you know where the Labor Party stand, whereas the LNP have been completely divided. I say to them—and I've said this numerous times in this chamber—that you need to look at what former senator Ron Boswell said in his valedictory speech. He said his proudest achievement in this place as a senator was leading the fight against One Nation, because he understands that it is, at the end of the day, going to be the LNP that lose out. They're the ones who lose the seats, they're the ones who lose principles and they're the ones who lose the votes by dealing with One Nation. It's not too late for the LNP to recognise what is important to the Australian people, understand that they have been punished because of their relationship with One Nation, and stand up and say no.</para>
<para>What happened yesterday isn't going to cut it. They've since tried to backtrack from that, but they need to maintain those principles and actually send a message to the Australian community that we reject One Nation, we reject their simplistic solutions and we're going to take the fight to them, because that is what the Australian Labor Party has done for 20 years.</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We've had a number of considered speeches in this chamber, many by my colleagues and, indeed, many by members of the Labor Party. Through all of those speeches the one consistent theme is that what occurred yesterday was not a mistake. Indeed, Senator Chisholm has just acknowledged that this is something that would have been considered weeks before, that they would have had a position on it weeks before and that the position they took yesterday was a reflection of the Liberal Party's position on that motion.</para>
<para>Now, we agree with that; we agree absolutely with that. But, in supporting the recommittal of this motion, what the Labor Party have done is accept that the Liberal Party made a mistake. This is a convention that exists for senators who miss a division because they might be caught in the toilets or, indeed, for senators who might not be following the procedure in the Senate and might be confused about the point of proceedings we're at and may vote in a way that's not consistent with their views on an issue. That's why we recommit motions. We do it to allow senators in this chamber who have made a mistake an opportunity to correct that mistake.</para>
<para>In allowing and supporting a recommittal, Senator Wong and, indeed, Senator Chisholm have effectively agreed that what the Liberal Party have done is make a mistake. That's what recommitting the motion does. We would be pleased to offer leave to the Liberal Party to put forward another motion, one that expressly rejects the premise in the motion that they supported yesterday and, indeed, makes a positive and affirming statement about multiculturalism in Australia. We think that's the appropriate way to deal with this, and that's why we have taken the decision we have.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Racism</title>
          <page.no>13</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the vote be taken again on general business notice of motion No. 1092.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I note that no-one from the cross bench who supported the motion or moved it is actually present in the chamber. I do wonder whether it might be appropriate to make sure Senator Hanson, Senator Georgiou, Senator Bernardi, Senator Anning and others are, in fact, aware that this motion is being recommitted.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Wong, I previously advised the chamber that the Clerk staff, at our request, have contacted Senator Hanson's office and advised her that this procedure would be occurring. So I will put the motion that we recommit the motion, moved by the Leader of the Government in the Senate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Now I will put the motion again. The motion is general business notice of motion No. 1092, moved by Senator Hanson yesterday. I will take it as moved. The question is that that motion be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
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        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>13</page.no>
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          <title>Customs Amendment (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership Implementation) Bill 2018, Customs Tariff Amendment (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership Implementation) Bill 2018</title>
          <page.no>13</page.no>
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            <title>In Committee</title>
            <page.no>13</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The committee is considering the Customs Amendment (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership Implementation) Bill 2018 and a related bill. The question is on amendment (1) on sheet 8520.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have some questions for the government, if the minister is able to answer some questions.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>I want to know what the impact will be. This TPP agreement includes 22 clauses that are effectively on ice and that were insisted on by the United States in the first round of negotiations. This includes the intellectual property chapter, which contains a series of rules which lock in strong monopolies for patents on medicines at the expense of affordable access to medicines. This is particularly in relation to cancer medications and treatments, in addition to longer monopolies on data protection for biologic medicine. It's making it much harder and a much longer wait for affordable cancer medicines to be available. These clauses are effectively on ice. They haven't been deleted. Could the minister please explain how these clauses may be reinstated, should the United States agree to be a party to this agreement at any point from today onwards?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you very much, Senator Hanson-Young, for that question. The answer is: yes, they can be reinstated if all parties agree.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Why is it that the Australian government and negotiators allowed them to stay in the agreements as simply on-ice clauses, as opposed to having them deleted? Surely the Australian people would like to know if their government tried to have these clauses deleted. If there is cancer medication and health advances available when dealing with the very traumatic issues of the various different cancers across the country that patients are suffering from today, that cancer medication should be as affordable as possible. I don't think that big pharmaceutical companies should be able to exploit time lines on patents to make them more expensive at the expense of patients being able to have access to that medication at an affordable rate. Could the government minister please explain whether they argued for those clauses to be deleted in the first place?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The advice I have is that these were discussed amongst the 11 who signed and that the agreement was not to proceed with them at this stage. However, as I said, if there is agreement amongst all parties, they can be reinstated or adopted.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Did Australia, at any point, argue that they should be deleted?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The advice I have is that was part of confidential negotiations between all 11 parties, but, after that, the decision was to retain them but not proceed with them without the United States.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Could the minister please put on the record for the chamber today what the government's position is? Do they believe that these clauses should remain in there or should they be deleted?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The advice I have, Senator Hanson-Young, is that the Australian government did support them. Again, it was the agreement of all 11 parties not to proceed with them at this stage.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm trying to ascertain what the government's current position is. Would you support these clauses becoming live again or is the government's position that they should be deleted?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Sen</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>ator REYNOLDS (—) (): Senator Hanson-Young, as I've said now three times, I believe the Australian government supported the decision of the other 10 parties to delete them at this time, but, again, there is the option, if the United States joins, to have the discussion again with the other 10 parties to reinstate them.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can I just seek clarification. Do they become live as soon as the US signs up to the TPP or does each clause need to be renegotiated?</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I've said, if the United States does rejoin, all 11 existing parties would have to discuss and all agree to proceed.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In that instance, Minister, would there be a requirement to bring any change in terms and conditions back to either the JSCOT or, indeed, the parliament?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I can confirm that the normal process and practice would occur in that case. Yes, it would come back to parliament and the JSCOT.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Could the minister please put on the record which types of cancer medication may become more expensive if these clauses become live?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hanson-Young, that is a hypothetical question which goes to a degree of detail that we don't have available, because it is a political hypothetical.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>No, it's not. It was a clause that was in there up until 12 months ago. So, surely the Australian government has information as to what types of medication would not be available at an affordable rate to Australians if, indeed, these clauses were to become unfrozen at the initiation of the United States.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My advice is that there would be no change, because anything negotiated under the TPP-11 would be consistent with our existing Australian laws in relation to the PBS.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Could the minister please outline what these clauses would mean if they came back into effect?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hanson-Young, as I said in answer to your previous question, you're asking a hypothetical—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Hanson-Young</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>They were there 12 months ago.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You can make any political points and debate you want, but I'm just saying to you that they are hypothetical. Again, if they are activated at some point, it would come back to the parliament and come back to JSCOT, and there would be no implications, because they'd still be consistent with the PBS guidelines and rules.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Let's move on and see if we can get some answers to some other issues. Did the Australian government ever insist that ISDS clauses were not to be included in the TPP negotiations?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Of course not.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Could the minister please explain why that is the case—why Australia has not sought to have ISDS provisions deleted or why the government hasn't opted for side deals to prevent ISDS provisions being used against Australia by other countries, as has been done by New Zealand? Why hasn't Australia gone down that route? It seems absolutely crazy that the Australian government is signing us up to something that allows our government and our taxpayers to be sued by multinational companies. Was there any discussion at any point for side deals with any countries to get Australia out of this ridiculous situation where corporations will be able to sue Australian governments?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hanson-Young, as you'd be aware if you'd listened to the debate and to both the minister's and my speech yesterday, the Australian government very strongly supports the ISDS considerations in here. We heard the rhetoric from, I think, four Greens senators yesterday, ad nauseam, about neoliberalism and all of these other great Greens conspiracy buzzwords in relation to ISDS. But, as we both said yesterday, these are not new provisions. This conspiracy—I think you described it yesterday as a great neoliberal, whatever that means, conspiracy—about large corporations and losing sovereignty is simply nonsense. These are provisions that have been in place in other treaties for a considerable amount of time. There is no company that has been successful. As we heard yesterday, there was one company, and they were unsuccessful because the courts had no jurisdiction over that matter.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>So, yes, they are reciprocal requirements. And if we're expecting to get that benefit out of the treaty ourselves, it is only logical that others expect us to provide the same clauses. There is no loss of sovereignty and there is no breach. In fact, if we did do that, we would now be in breach of the treaty itself. Penny Wong, Senator Kitching and Senator Farrell last night all gave very cogent arguments as to why this treaty must be signed. And if it's not, and if we did do anything with the ISDS or the labour-market testing then we would be in breach of this. Again, they gave very cogent reasons last night why this has to be moved without these amendments.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I would like to put on the record that whilst there has been one ISDS litigation against Australia, the Philip Morris case, and that's well-known, of course there is another matter on foot right now. Inconsistent with the views of DFAT, where they've said that in actual fact there are only limited circumstances where ISDS can be invoked, there is a matter on foot at this present moment where the government disputes the ability to litigate. I wonder if that particular matter had any impact on the consideration that the government had when discussing ISDS?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I don't have advice on that second case and I'd imagine that, if it is before the courts, if the officials here are not aware of it and the minister's not aware of it, I can't comment on that matter further. And, clearly, even if we were aware of it, it would be a matter before the courts and we couldn't comment on it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Indeed, it's not a matter before the courts, because as you well understand the ISDS is not litigated in a court, so it's not a matter sub judice. It can be commented on. I've asked the government, just to be very clear, how much that litigation is costing. Former Senator Xenophon and I went through a fairly detailed process in relation to the Philip Morris case. The government resisted. They eventually gave us the number on that: $39 million was spent on litigation. I have asked the Attorney to provide data on that, so the matter is live. It is not before a court and, indeed, the government's very well aware of it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At this point I re-emphasise—and it's a point Senator Reynolds has made and it was a point made in the debate yesterday—that the purpose of ISDS provisions is to provide certainty for investors. Those are provisions that, yes, do flow in both directions. However, when the Philip Morris case is raised it should always be made clear that ultimately that case was not successful, that case did not proceed and that Australia's arguments for ensuring that case did not proceed were successful. However, these provisions provide protections for Australian entities and investors operating in other overseas jurisdictions in countries that sometimes have less well established judicial and legal frameworks, less predictable policy settings and possibly less regard for retrospective legislation or actions not being pursued than Australia has.</para>
<para>Senator Patrick asks about another matter. In relation to that other matter I'm happy to talk in a less public forum with Senator Patrick about some of the arguments that Australia may make in that regard. We continue to believe that on balance—and these matters are always a matter of balance—the benefits to Australians operating in other markets far outweigh the risks to Australia in the maintenance of these provisions, particularly when you then consider the carve-outs and exclusions    that are clearly made in them that enable the Australian government to continue to make policies in relation to health care, the environment, education standards or the like, which are clearly within the Australian national interest.</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, can you give me—or this chamber or the people of Australia—an example of how the ISDS can be implemented or called upon by a multinational company on the Australian people?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The point that I just made—and the provisions have never been used successfully against Australia—is that these provisions have existed in our investment agreements and otherwise for more than 30 years. They're not some new concept dreamed up just the other day or exclusive to only this matter. They have been around for more than 30 years. There's only one case that's occurred to a point of finality. That case ultimately did not proceed and was thrown out, and the Australian government's position was upheld. So, no, I can't give you a case where they've been used successfully by a multinational company or any other against Australia, because none exists in 30 years of history.</para>
<para>There are, however, instances where Australian investors have, in limited cases, used these provisions. I'd also just note—and it's something that happens from the extremes at both ends of the chamber—the pejorative use of the term 'multinational companies'. These provisions could well be used by Australian family companies who also happen to invest in other markets and ought to have their investments protected, too.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, you misunderstood my question. I wasn't asking where it was used; I was asking what would trigger it to be used in Australia. What could the multinational company do to impose an ISDS on the Australian people?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In the rephrasing of the question, Senator Hanson, you've clearly gone to a hypothetical scenario of what a company could seek. Companies can seek to do things all the time. Philip Morris sought to use the provisions against Australia. They were unsuccessful.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I want to go back to the matter that has been raised. I want to clarify for the chamber that the matter I was referring to is actually a matter being raised under the Australia-US Free Trade Agreement. They are exercising a right to not be treated any differently to another nation that may well have an ISDS right. So that's the controversy. I just wanted to clear that up. But I do want to ask a question. No doubt as you diligently went through the negotiations—and I understand that you say that the position of the government was to support ISDS—when you got to those provisions you would have worked through those provisions. At that point in time, was the negotiating team aware of what New Zealand was doing in respect of the side letters that they were having written up?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In relation to what New Zealand did, my understanding is that that was done at the end of the negotiations and wasn't actually part of the discussions and negotiations that Australia took part in. It was a separate side arrangement that New Zealand did.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Also, as part of those deliberations—and I understand the timing may have been an issue here—it's quite apparent now that the European Union are walking away from ISDS and not allowing them to be included in free trade agreements. Indeed, under NAFTA, President Trump has managed to remove that as well. I'm wondering: in the consideration of government, firstly, did that occur after the government had already negotiated the ISDS position for the TPP? Alternatively, what effect or what consideration has the government given to other First World nations that are now pulling away from ISDS? Have they conducted an analysis of why they're doing that and considered those particular instances?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The government—and I, as a relatively new trade minister—will always consider the best possible approach that we can take in each and every trade negotiation.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>It is for others, such as the EU, to make and determine their own positions. However, I do emphasise the point made before—that provisions that provide a degree of investment certainty to Australian businesses operating in other jurisdictions are, we think, important. They provide that opportunity for Australian businesses to look abroad, to invest abroad and to create opportunities that then may see profits and opportunities repatriated back to Australia to some extent. Encouraging that activity by Australian businesses is good for us. It's also good for the nation in which they're investing; they are creating jobs and opportunities and paying taxes in that nation. We ought to be realistic enough to recognise that Australia is a stand-out nation in global terms, when you look at matters such as the rule of law, judicial process and, frankly, governments of both political persuasions acting in generally responsible ways that don't go and see retrospective actions that could be detrimental to investment decisions that have been taken. Not every other nation has such a strong track record. That's why we think, on balance, such provisions are useful and important for Australian companies and their operations overseas.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Minister, for articulating the thought process that you went through. Obviously, if I went to the Europeans or to the US, they probably would think about matters in much the same way as you have; but they've managed to come to a different conclusion. The burden of my question is: have you looked at their reasoning and have we discussed with the Europeans, and indeed the US, why they have now taken a different course on ISDS? We may well benefit from some of their experience. I'm just wondering if we've had conversations, whether we've looked to why it is that they have done what they've done, and then tried to consider whether or not that was relevant for Australia. Maybe you did and maybe you came to a different conclusion. I'm just going to the due diligence that you've been through in coming to the conclusion you have come to.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have indicated the thought process and the benefits that we see, on balance, to Australian companies. I have also indicated that, in relation to future trade negotiations and deliberations, we will always seek to apply the best practice provisions that we can see as being available to Australia in our operations as a nation at any time. In relation to the EU, I think it's important not to completely mischaracterise the EU's stance. I'm advised that the EU has stated that investment agreements, where deemed necessary, should in principle be negotiated in parallel to FTAs. On 20 March this year the European Council adopted and published the negotiating directives for a convention establishing a multilateral court for the settlement of investment disputes. So the EU is looking at processes that do still provide for the impartial settlement of investment disputes. Both the EU-Canada Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement and the EU-Vietnam free trade agreement include ISDS and foresee setting up a permanent multilateral mechanism and contain such reference to it. So to simply take the argument and suggest that the EU have said 'no ISDS or equivalent' would be a misrepresentation of the position.</para>
<para>Of course, as I said, each area of a trade agreement, when we enter into new deliberations, ought to be thought of in a wise and sensible way about how we get the best possible outcomes in the interests of Australia—across goods, across services, across investment and across the whole range of different factors that a comprehensive trade agreement encompasses. When it comes to investment, providing certainty and stability around investment is important. I've outlined the reasons as to why we think, on balance, there's far greater upside for Australian businesses investing overseas than there are risks. Indeed, there are a number of cases and instances where Australian companies have taken advantage of those provisions and been successful, unlike the fact that nobody has ever been successful in using them against Australia.</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Minister. In effect, you're indicating that you have done some work. You've looked at what the Europeans have done, and I thank you for clarifying that situation. Maybe this can be taken on notice if you don't know the answer, or you can perhaps come back to the chamber. Having looked at the differences, we can see there's clearly a reason why they have taken a different pathway. The sensible thing in this circumstance, I imagine—and I know you try to do your work as diligently as possible—would be to examine, perhaps, the jurisdictional issues, the bounds in which the claims may get made and all of those sorts of things that the Europeans are doing slightly differently, no doubt from lessons learned. They have had a number of ISDS cases brought against them, so they have, perhaps, more experience. I ask whether or not you could give some advice as to what their motives were, what they're trying to do with this new arrangement and, indeed, why we don't think those new arrangements would be applicable for Australia.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think those matters are probably best dealt with at the opportunities presented to Senator Patrick to ask questions that can be referred to some of the trade negotiators and trade officials at estimates next week.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>You say the ISDS has not been used in Australia apart from by the tobacco company; they did, but they weren't successful. If there were a challenge under the ISDS and it were successful, who would be responsible for paying the fine or the moneys?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS (</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>— ) ( ): Senator Hanson, that's a purely hypothetical question, and I don't believe we're in a position to answer a hypothetical question on a case that doesn't exist.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Sorry, that is not an answer—that it's hypothetical. You have put the ISDS in the agreement. You must know that if a multinational company were to sue the government—they must sue someone—then someone has to be responsible for paying that. So it is not a hypothetical question in any way whatsoever, and the people of Australia demand an answer and should have an answer to that. Are the taxpayers responsible for the fine?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hanson, if the government of Australia goes and seizes land from individuals and they seek compensation for that, the government of Australia is indeed responsible for that or for other assets or for other things that might be, in that way, taken upon as a claim against Australia. They could well be taken upon, in most instances, as a claim under normal domestic law and processes were the government of Australia to act in such a way. Governments of Australia of both political persuasions don't tend to act in those ways. That's why, of course, these provisions have not been used successfully against Australia. They have been used successfully by Australian businesses operating elsewhere, and I would have thought, Senator Hanson, that you would have believed that Australia's systems of government were capable and responsible and did not pose a threat to investors but that perhaps Australian businesses operating in other markets deserved appropriate protections.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, if you believe that we have a very good government and system in Australia, why put the ISDS in in the first place? The whole fact is you have not answered the question. Who is responsible for paying it? If you have a multinational company that comes out here and is then suing the government, whether because of a change of legislation which has caused it to lose profits from its business or for whatever other reason, is the taxpayer responsible for that payment?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hanson, I'll try to spell it out even more simply than I did in the previous answer. If Australian governments undertake actions that would, in most cases, be a breach of our constitutional principles or our laws of the land and that in some way damage, in a retrospective sense, the investments of investors, governments are held to account for that.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Overwhelmingly that happens through our domestic legal processes. If you go and seize the assets of a company unfairly, they'll sue you in a court of law, because Australia's court system and legal frameworks recognise and respect that already, but the ISDS would provide an additional fallback, potentially, for investors in Australia. The reasons that the ISDS has never been used successfully are twofold. First, Australian governments don't tend to behave in that way. Second, if they did, our domestic legal procedures already provide probably better, easier and more secure avenues for investors to take action against governments that behave in such ways against basic principles.</para>
<para>Senator Hanson, you asked the question: why would we include such provisions? It is to protect Australian companies operating in other markets, to protect Australian businesses who think: 'You know what? I can do better than just doing business in Australia; I can also grow my business by operating in other countries, in other investment scenarios.' And we ought to back those businesses. We can be a tiny, shallow, little, inward-looking country if you like and not actually encourage our businesses to look outwards or we can be a nation that encourages Australian businesses to seize investment opportunities to go and work in other nations, and these provisions provide some protection over and above the domestic legal frameworks of those countries. We support them because, on balance, they are proven, over time, to give greater protection to Australian businesses operating in more uncertain legal environments than they give to foreign investors operating in Australia's well-established and quite certain and secure legal environment.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KIM CARR</name>
    <name.id>AW5</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I would like to outline the opposition's position in regard to these amendments. There are a series of amendments and I won't waste the committee's time by speaking on each and every amendment. I explained yesterday the opposition's position on these questions in general terms. This bill is effectively a customs bill. It's not subject to amendment in terms of whether or not we like the agreement. It's not a question of ratification. It is a bill that seeks to implement the tariff reductions that come into force as a result of this agreement. We should be clear about what we're actually doing here.</para>
<para>I don't think the number of times you repeat the same question over and over again changes one thing. You've got your answer from the government. The government's position has been explained quite clearly, to my mind. I don't agree with what the government has said. The Labor Party doesn't agree with what the government has said, and we will seek to make changes to these measures if there is a change of government at the next election. But, when it comes to the specifics of these measures, the Labor Party will not be supporting any of these amendments. We will not be supporting any of these amendments, because they are essentially irresponsible, reckless and, frankly, against the national interest. They have been moved by South Australian senators, and I am surprised that they don't have a better understanding of their own domestic industrial interests. I would have thought that an understanding of what is actually going on in the steel industry would be pertinent, that an understanding of what is actually happening in the meat industry would be pertinent; and that an understanding of what is going on in the cotton industry and the wine industry in South Australia—and seafood, horticulture, cereal and what have you—would be a matter of some significance.</para>
<para>I don't agree with many of the provisions that this government has embarked upon, but I don't want to see circumstances, as a result of actions taken by this Senate, which advantage New Zealand and Canada against the interests of Australia. And what we've been asked to endorse here is a proposition which would do exactly that: provide advantage to our international competitors. That you can possibly suggest that that would be in the national interest strikes me as somewhat more demented than is normal in this place. Those are the circumstances in which we've been asked to consider these provisions today.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>So, the Labor Party won't be supporting these propositions. This is a tariff bill that goes to change the structure of the tariff provisions. If you want to talk about the general principles of the TPP, you had the chance in the second reading debate yesterday, and you did so. But you won't be able to prosecute it through these specific amendments with our support.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Carr for his contribution yesterday and again today. For many of the reasons that Senator Carr has been so clear on in this place, the government also will not be supporting any of the amendments before the Senate on these bills. I thank all senators for their contributions on this bill. But, as Senator Carr has just noted, these are customs amendment bills, and the majority of the debate has been a re-prosecution of issues that go to the heart of the TPP itself and not to these customs amendment bills. So, as I said, I thank all senators for their contributions to this debate, and the government will not be supporting the amendments before the Senate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>To clarify, the case that I was referring to is APR Energy Holdings Limited and the Commonwealth of Australia. I'd also like to ask the minister to confirm for me a circumstance—and I apologise: I use a hypothetical, just to give context to the question—where Australia changes a policy in this place that gives rise to an application under ISDS. The government may say that that's not likely, but actually that's not a matter for the government to decide. An applicant can simply make the application, and you can contest jurisdiction or the appropriateness of that. Say we have a situation where a policy has changed and an international company makes an application and they choose to do so, because they can, and to use ISDS as the mechanism for doing so. I just want to confirm that in the same circumstances an Australian company who is affected by the policy change doesn't have the ability to make application under ISDS for the same potential damage to the Australian company.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Australian companies operating domestically within Australia of course have all the protections of Australian law, underpinned by the constitutional protections that provide for a range of protections and scenarios. I don't believe there are any scenarios in which you could suggest that an investor into Australia received greater or preferential access to have a dispute settled than an Australian company with all the prerogatives of Australian domestic law available to them.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The burden of my question really relates to, in circumstances in which the company chooses not to use the court—because of course the multinationals can use our court system; we don't constrain them in any way from doing that—the difference between an Australian company raising an ISDS application and an international company raising an ISDS application, because that's the mechanism they wish to go down. Can an Australian company raise an ISDS application against the Australian government?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I don't believe that would be the case. I stand to be corrected, and will double-check for the senator. But, as I indicated in my answer to Senator Hanson previously, if you look at the reasons ISDS has not been used against the Australian government, you will find that there are two primary reasons. One relates to the behaviour of Australian governments of both persuasions, which don't give cause to the types of behaviours that would necessitate the use of an ISDS provision or indeed any other claims against Australian governments. The second reason relates to the strength of the rule of law that is operable in Australia and the opportunities that investors in Australia, be they domestic or foreign investors, have to pursue any claims they may have against Australian governments in relation to the decisions of those governments.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>So I think the compounding factors there are such that, as I say, there's no scenario I can conceive of where an ISDS provision would provide preferential access for people to dispute matters in Australia in a way that couldn't be done through normal domestic provisions and arrangements.</para>
<para>Progress reported.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>20</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Israel and Palestine</title>
          <page.no>20</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp> (South Australia—Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) (14:00):</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Senator Payne. The former Minister for Foreign Affairs, Ms Julie Bishop, said in June:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… the Australian government will not be moving our embassy to Jerusalem.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Jerusalem is a final status issue and we have maintained that position for decades …</para></quote>
<para>Does the minister agree with the then foreign minister, Ms Bishop, or with Mr Morrison?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Wong for her question. Today's announcement by the Prime Minister is one that follows consideration of a number of important issues that affect Australia's interests in the Middle East. I do want to emphasise that there is no change in this process—and the Prime Minister has emphasised this several times this morning—in support of peace and stability in the Middle East. Australia remains firmly committed to a durable and resilient two-state solution, one that allows Israel and the Palestinian state to exist side by side, within internationally recognised borders.</para>
<para>The Prime Minister has made observations this morning about the location of Australia's embassy in Israel. He has said that he has considered the arguments put forward by a number of commentators, including our former ambassador to Israel, Dave Sharma, that those arguments are ones which have contributed significantly to the international debate, that, in that process, Australia should consider recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, without prejudice to its final boundaries, that we acknowledge East Jerusalem as an expected capital of a future Palestinian state and that we should be open to examining the merits of moving Australia's embassy in the context of our support for a two-state solution. He looks forward to the discussion on this matter with other world leaders and counterparts through the upcoming series of international meetings: the G20, the East Asia Summit and, of course, APEC itself. Any consideration will be subject to a rigorous consideration of Australia's national interests.</para>
<para>The PRE SIDENT: Senator Wong, a supplementary question.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>When asked in June whether Australia would move the location of its embassy in Israel, the secretary of DFAT, Ms Adamson, said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I don't think so … I would expect the Australian government in future to maintain the position that Jerusalem is a final status issue. Our embassy will remain in Tel Aviv.</para></quote>
<para>Can the minister explain what has changed?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think the Prime Minister actually addressed this issue this morning. A number of matters have been raised by the community since the Prime Minister was appointed in August of this year. A number of key issues around Middle East policy have been part of those discussions, and the Prime Minister has been very clear about that. He wants to be open with the Australian people. He wants to engage with the Australian people in terms of this issue. He believes that the Australian people should know what their Prime Minister is thinking, so he has placed these matters on the agenda so there can be a discussion, so there can be a process of examination of Australia's policy in this regard. The government is capable of being open-minded on this matter. Those opposite are not.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Wong, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>When did this minister first become aware that Prime Minister Morrison was considering moving Australia's embassy in Israel to Jerusalem? Does she agree with the Prime Minister's decision to change a longstanding bipartisan foreign policy and to put his short-term domestic political interests above the national interest?</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Just for starters, I have never engaged in public discussion about my conversations with colleagues. I don't intend to start now. Secondly, I think that the Prime Minister's initiative to have this discussion—to actually consider these key areas of Middle East policy—is a very important one and one which I support.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</title>
        <page.no>21</page.no>
        <type>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</type>
      </debateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! I draw to the attention of honourable senators the presence in the chamber and the gallery of a parliamentary delegation from the Dominican Republic led by the President of the Senate of the Dominican Republic, Senator Reinaldo Pared Perez. On behalf of all senators, I wish you a warm welcome to Australia and, in particular, to the Senate. With the concurrence of honourable senators, I invite the President to take a seat on the floor of the Senate.</para>
<para>Honourable senators: Hear, hear!</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">Senator Reinaldo Pared Perez was then seated accordingly.</inline></para>
</speech>
</debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>21</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Taxation</title>
          <page.no>21</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GICHUHI</name>
    <name.id>270552</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Small and Family Business, Skills and Vocational Education, Senator Cash. Can the minister update the Senate on how the Liberal-National government is able to fast-track its tax cuts for businesses with a turnover of less than $50 million?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Gichuhi for her question, and the answer is very simple: it is because of good economic management. Because of the good economic management of those of us in government, millions of small and family businesses will now pay less tax sooner because we are able to bring forward our tax cuts five years earlier than planned. How have we been able to do this? It's by putting in place economically responsible policies.</para>
<para>For example, under the economic stewardship of the coalition government, the economy has now grown 3.4 per cent throughout this year. That is actually the best since the mining boom. It is also a fact that, as a result of the policies that the coalition government has put in place, in excess of 1.1 million jobs have been created. Our economy is getting stronger, and our budget position is improving. The policies that have been implemented by our government will ensure, as well, that we're able to guarantee the essential services that Australians rely on. We will bring the budget back to balance sooner rather than later. But we will also be able to provide tax relief to small and family businesses in Australia five years earlier than planned.</para>
<para>These are types of policies you as a government are able to deliver when you put in place responsible economic management. You are able to build a strong and a resilient economy that gives every single Australian—in particular, those who are out there having a go—the opportunity to pursue their dreams. It's because of our responsible economic management that small and family businesses in Australia will receive tax cuts five years earlier than planned. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Gichuhi, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GICHUHI</name>
    <name.id>270552</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What other policies has the government put in place that benefit small and family businesses and enable them to prosper and grow?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It's only the Liberal and the National parties—the coalition government—that support small and family businesses in Australia. We acknowledge that they are the engine room of our economy and we will always foster an environment in which these small and family businesses are able to prosper and grow, because, when they prosper and grow, they create more jobs, and that is a win for all Australians.</para>
<para>In the 2018 budget, we continued to put in place policies that will improve the economic conditions for small and family businesses. As you'd be aware, we extended the $20,000 instant asset write-off for another 12 months. As I travel around Australia, I have the opportunity of meeting so many small and family businesses that have told me about—or, at least, shown me—the equipment they have invested in, again as a result of this government's policy. Those of us on this side of the chamber will back small and family business every step of the way.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Gichuhi, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GICHUHI</name>
    <name.id>270552</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In fast-tracking our tax cuts for small and medium businesses, can the minister outline what this will mean for these businesses?</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>When you actually get a tax cut, like we're giving, bringing them forward five years early, it means you as a business keep more of the money that you have generated. We want to see businesses being able to keep more of the money that they work hard to generate. For example, if you're a small business and you're turning over a profit of around half a million dollars a year, as a result of this government, the Liberal-National government, bringing forward its tax cuts you will have an additional $7½ thousand in 2021 to reinvest back into your business and your staff and to help manage cashflow. The following year, when the 25 per cent tax rate cuts in, these businesses with half a million dollars profit will have approximately $12½ thousand extra. We will back small and family business every step of the way. We want to ensure they have, and they keep, more of their money, which they work so hard to generate.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</title>
        <page.no>22</page.no>
        <type>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</type>
      </debateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like to draw to the attention of honourable senators the presence in the gallery of the former president of Kiribati, His Excellency Anote Tong. On behalf of all senators, I wish you a warm welcome to Australia and, in particular, to the Senate.</para>
<para>Honour able senators: Hear, hear!</para>
</speech>
</debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>22</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Israel</title>
          <page.no>22</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Cormann. When asked in May whether the government had plans to move Australia's embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, former Prime Minister Turnbull said, 'No.' When asked why, Mr Turnbull said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… it's more conducive to the peace process to keep the embassy in Tel Aviv. Obviously, the status of Jerusalem and negotiations relating to Jerusalem are a key part of the peace negotiations …</para></quote>
<para>Was former Prime Minister Turnbull wrong?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What the Prime Minister did today, together with the foreign minister, was announce a number of important measures to reinforce our commitment to efforts towards resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, further strengthen our valuable relationship with Israel and, indeed, re-examine Australia's policy in relation to Iran's nuclear ambitions. These decisions have been taken after careful consideration, are fundamentally in Australia's national interests and reflect our national values.</para>
<para>The Australian government remains firmly committed to a two-state solution that allows Israel and a future Palestinian state to exist side by side in peace and security within internationally recognised borders. The government is consistently encouraging both sides to continue a dialogue and negotiations towards a peaceful settlement. In supporting a two-state solution, the government will vote no in the upcoming UN General Assembly resolution on the Palestinian Authority chairing the G77; consider recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel without prejudice to its final boundaries, while acknowledging East Jerusalem as the expected capital of a future Palestinian state; and look at the merits of moving Australia's embassy to West Jerusalem. The Prime Minister also indicated that he's considering a review of Australia's policy towards the Iran Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Carr, on a point of order.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Kim Carr</name>
    <name.id>AW5</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr President, this is a straightforward question of relevance. The minister was asked a direct question in regard to Mr Turnbull's comments as to why the policy should not be pursued, and he was asked whether or not that policy was right. The minister has come nowhere near answering that direct question. I'd ask you to draw his answer to the question specifically.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You've drawn the minister's attention to the question. I am listening carefully. He has 34 seconds remaining. In my view, the substance of the minister's answer was addressing the material in the question. I'll continue to listen, and you've drawn the minister's attention to the question.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>As I've indicated to the Senate on behalf of the Prime Minister, today we have announced a process to reassess a number of important policy issues. This is government 101: you make judgements about where you are, you make judgements on where you think we should be and you make judgements on the best way forward, and you consider these matters carefully. The Prime Minister, together with the foreign minister, today set out the process that we will follow to make sure that happens.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Urquhart, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In June, when asked whether the government had plans to move Australia's embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, then Treasurer Morrison said, 'No.' He then said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… it's not the Government's policy. It's never been under review and we're not doing it.</para></quote>
<para>Can the minister confirm whether Prime Minister Morrison will say and do anything because he's so desperate to save the seat of Wentworth this Saturday?</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This is a very serious matter of national interest, and Mr Morrison, as the Prime Minister, has indicated that our government will follow a process to reassess Australia's approach in relation to these matters. I'm pleased to inform the Senate, again, that what the Australian government has today announced are a number of important measures to reinforce our commitment to efforts towards resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, to further strengthen our valuable relationship with Israel and to re-examine Australia's policy in relation to Iran's nuclear ambitions. These decisions have been taken after careful consideration, are fundamentally in Australia's national interest and reflect our national values. This is something that Mr Morrison, as Prime Minister, has put forward on behalf of our government, and— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Urquhart, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Why is the Prime Minister focused on playing dangerous and deceitful word games with Australian foreign policy instead of reflecting the values of the people of Wentworth by committing to serious action on climate change, legislating to protect teachers and students from discrimination, and standing against racism in all of its forms?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We do stand against racism in all of its forms, we do support effective action on climate change and I don't accept the premise of the question in relation to the issue of Israel. This is a very important and serious policy matter in our national interest that we intend to pursue, and the Prime Minister's statements in that regard are self-explanatory.</para>
<para>The senator mentions the government's efforts to address legislation which Labor put in place in 2013 when it comes to the discrimination against students in schools, and that is of course something that we have made very clear that we intend to address. I would just refer the senator to statements earlier today by Mr Dreyfus when he was asked about the question of the exemption for staff—teachers and other staff—working in religious schools. He made the point that it is a complex issue. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Middle East</title>
          <page.no>24</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the foreign minister. Minister, when Donald Trump announced that the US would recognise Jerusalem and relocate the US embassy, it was universally condemned by almost every sane democracy. To name a few examples, Sweden called it 'a catastrophic decision' and New Zealand said it was 'a step backwards, not a step forwards'. Minister, I understand that you briefed the Indonesian government on this announcement. What was the response from the Indonesian government?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Di Natale for his question. I reiterate my statement in response to the previous question: the government remains firmly committed to the Middle East peace process and to a durable and resilient two-state solution that allows Israel and a future Palestinian state to exist side by side within internationally recognised borders. I acknowledge Senator Di Natale's question, but I am not in the habit of discussing my conversations with international counterparts in public.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Di Natale, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, the announcement is a body blow for the peace process and for the Palestinian people. It's unfair and it's dangerous. Minister, wouldn't you agree that the best way to support the peace process would be to condemn Israel for the 10,000 settlements it's pushed forward with and recognise the state of Palestine?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I would refer Senator Di Natale to the observations made by both the Prime Minister and me earlier this morning. There is a clear, clear blockage, if you like, in progress in terms of the peace process and movement towards a two-state solution. The opportunity for Australia to have a sensible and intelligent discussion about some of these key policy issues is a very important one.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>The Prime Minister has indicated that, in terms of the upcoming vote in the United Nations in relation to the Group of 77. In terms of the other matters that the Leader of the Government in the Senate raised—the matter of the arguments that have been put forward by our former ambassador to Israel, Mr Sharma—they have been discussed. Further engagement with Israel on defence and security matters, and reviewing, without prejudice, our approach to the joint comprehensive plan of action— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Di Natale, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATA</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>LE (—) (): Minister, given that you are so committed to the peace process, in your conversations with the Netanyahu government about this dangerous policy shift did you even bother to raise concerns about the 10,000 settlements that the Israeli government has pushed forward with and demand that settlement building cease in line with international law?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have already indicated to the senator, and if he were approaching this in a responsible manner he would not expect his country to place their private discussions with our counterparts on the public record in quite this way; but then perhaps Senator Di Natale would, because he has no measure of the basic courtesies and respect that go to those processes. I have indicated before that the government has consistently raised concerns of such a nature with the Israeli government and we continue to do so.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Alcohol Abuse</title>
          <page.no>24</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to Senator Scullion, representing the Minister for Health. Last Thursday the Australia and New Zealand Ministerial Forum on Food Regulation decided to proceed with mandatory pregnancy warnings on alcohol labels. This happened after seven years of failure by the alcohol industry to voluntarily introduce effective pregnancy warning labels across all products. It also comes just two months after the industry funded DrinkWise was forced to reissue posters in doctors' surgeries, because DrinkWise misrepresented the dangers of drinking while pregnant. I understand from the Foundation of Alcohol Research and Education that government provided DrinkWise with $230,000 over six months to distribute educational resources to rural and regional GPs' waiting rooms. How much money in total has the government provided to DrinkWise over the past two financial years to run public education programs, and was any of that funding provided for the misrepresented posters?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCULLION</name>
    <name.id>00AOM</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the senator for that question. I can confirm that in the last two years I understand there was a number very close to what you indicated, $233,000 GST inclusive, which was provided in June 2018 to DrinkWise for some specific activities to raise awareness of alcohol related issues. I understand that those funds were specifically directed at developing some video content. I'm unaware of the posters but in terms of the video content you may have seen some of them. Principally, they were going to be integrated with my Red Dust Role Models school education program and the Strong Young Men and Boys Program to raise awareness and educate people on FASD, and to deliver video material across the thousand regional and remote primary care sites. That was going to be supplemented by resources for GPs and staff. Those videos feature prominent Indigenous actors Deborah Mailman and Aaron Pedersen who are delivering the key messages, and those videos are played in the waiting rooms of many of those clinics. They are the funds that we provided. I understand DrinkWise provided themselves, for other FASD activities, some $910,000. I'm not sure over what time that was, but I'm assuming it was over that two year period.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Griff, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>F () (): Minister, did the department review the educational materials funded by taxpayer money before they were distributed?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCULLION</name>
    <name.id>00AOM</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm unaware of whether or not they would have reviewed that, but I would have assumed—and I think the reasonable assumption is—that they would be using best practice. I have seen some of the video material that's recently gone out. I think that that is world's best practice. We also fund and we look at—and we have the same assessments across—a whole range of processes. We have the Foundation of Alcohol Research and Education, Women Want to Know and Pregnant Pause—they're all NGOs. We provide the same funds and review the same processes in terms of content.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>What I can say is that I understand that we do that in the very same way. And I do understand that, back in 2012, DrinkWise was provided by the previous Labor government point-of-sale educational material in the very same way. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Griff, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Given the industry's failure to provide clear and consistent warning labels and advice on alcohol and pregnancy, does the government intend to give any more money to DrinkWise in future to provide any type of public education on alcohol related harm?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCULLION</name>
    <name.id>00AOM</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I certainly hope so. It remains a relatively small part of our investment across the board. As you've indicated, it is really important. What we do know is that in some of the other places which we can make direct comparisons with, like Canada, today, if you buy a bottle of Australian wine in Canada, it has a pregnancy warning on it and has had for some time. But we know from the Canadian experience that we're going to need more than that in vulnerable communities. At the point of contact for vulnerable communities, like health centres, it's very important to provide the right information at the right time to those communities as they come to bear. So we'll continue to upgrade, update and inform ourselves with best practice with regard to the warnings around alcohol during pregnancy and the consequences of FASD.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Racism</title>
          <page.no>25</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DODSON</name>
    <name.id>SR5</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Attorney-General, Senator Cash. Yesterday, government senators supported a motion echoing a slogan used by white supremacists. The Attorney-General today issued a statement blaming his staff for the government's decision to support the motion. Last night, the Attorney-General backed in the vote by tweeting:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The Government Senators' actions in the Senate this afternoon confirm that the Government deplores racism of any kind.</para></quote>
<para>The question is: how is backing in the government's support for a slogan used by white supremacists with a tweet consistent with the Attorney-General's claim that it was a mistake?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Dodson for the question. As has been made very clear by the Leader of the Government in the Senate today, the coalition government condemns racism in all of its forms. You will be aware that both Senator Cormann and the Attorney-General have made public statements about this matter this morning. The coalition's support of the motion yesterday, as has been reiterated by Minister Cormann, was the result of an administrative error. Minister Cormann has made it clear this morning and in the chamber today that the government agreed internally to oppose this motion and had originally made the decision when the motion was put forward in December. I refer you to both Senator Cormann's and the Attorney-General's statements in this regard.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Dodson, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DODSON</name>
    <name.id>SR5</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Attorney-General tweeted at 7.12 pm last night backing in the government's support for a white supremacist slogan, as did the Leader of the Government in the Senate at 7.31 pm. At what time did the government decide it was actually a mistake?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I have advised, both Senator Cormann and the Attorney-General have made public statements about this matter this morning.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Wong</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>My point of order is on direct relevance. Neither of those statements to which the minister referred goes to the point that Senator Dodson asked a question about, which is the time at which the government decided it was a mistake.</para>
<para>The PRESIDENT: The minister has been speaking for nine seconds. I'm not in a position to rule on whether it's directly relevant. Has the minister concluded her answer? She has. In that case, there is no point of order on direct relevance. Senator Dodson, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DODSON</name>
    <name.id>SR5</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Let's hope there's an answer to this question! After the government senators voted in support of a white supremacist slogan, Senator Abetz told Fairfax he was 'comfortable' with the vote, declaring it an opportunity to 'condemn racism against white people'. Has the Attorney-General told Senator Abetz that he was wrong?</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Dodson, I will refer you to what occurred in the chamber earlier today. Every coalition senator voted to oppose the motion.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</title>
        <page.no>26</page.no>
        <type>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</type>
      </debateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Before I proceed to Senator Stoker, I draw to the attention of honourable senators the presence in the public gallery of the Hon. Selena Uibo, Minister for Education in the Northern Territory. On behalf of all senators, I wish you a warm welcome to the Senate.</para>
<para>Honourable senators: Hear, hear!</para>
</speech>
</debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>26</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Northern Australia</title>
          <page.no>26</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Resources and Northern Australia, Senator Canavan. Can the minister please update the Senate on the Liberal-National government's progress in developing northern Australia?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CANAVAN</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Stoker for her question and her interest in the development of northern Australia, particularly North Queensland in her home state. It's been just over three years now since the government announced the first white paper to develop northern Australia in our nation's history. Tonight I will join a function of more than 150 people from northern Australia here at Parliament House to recognise the annual statement that is made to parliament around the development of northern Australia. It's important to remember this is a 20-year plan. We have a 20-year plan to develop northern Australia, and we need to keep the pace going. We need to have persistence to see this plan through and to develop opportunities for all Australians but, of course, particularly those Australians that live in the 40 per cent of Australia that makes up northern Australia.</para>
<para>Since announcing that white paper just over three years ago, we have provided $700 million for roads right across northern Australia. That includes 37 projects, 32 of which are complete, underway or fully approved. We have put aside more than $200 million to develop water infrastructure across northern Australia, including $176 million for the Rookwood Weir in Central Queensland, as well as 15 other feasibility studies, nine of which are complete. The CRC funding innovative research in food, agriculture and tropical health in northern Australia has also been established; there is $75 million towards it. Overall, 38 of the 51 measures that were in the white paper three years ago are now complete, and the rest are continuing to be underway and moving towards completion.</para>
<para>As I said, this is a decades-long nation-building plan for our country. The key thing now is that we do get buy-in from all sides of politics and from state and territory governments to continue to push forward with the development of our nation, not just for the people of northern Australia but so that all Australians can benefit from the development of Australia and more economic opportunity therein.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Stoker, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>How is northern Australia already benefiting from this much-needed investment and opportunity?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CANAVAN</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In the time permitted, I might just focus on a few particular projects, because our agenda is project focused. It is focused on delivering tangible, concrete things that can deliver results for northern Australia. The Rookwood Weir in Central Queensland that I mentioned earlier will double agricultural production in the Fitzroy Basin, the second largest water catchment in our whole nation. That will deliver 2,100 jobs. It will drought-proof the towns of Rocky and Gladstone as well. There are some of the roads I mentioned. The development of the Hann Highway will make the first sealed route from Cairns to Melbourne in our country. That road will cut travel times by eight hours for the freight sector and shorten the trip by 800 kilometres, an enormous benefit, particularly to our banana growers and horticulture producers in North Queensland. We're also building the Outback Way. We've put $330 million towards building just the third sealed route across our continent in our nation's history, a massive nation-building project. Almost $1 billion has been allocated by the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility towards projects that will create jobs in northern Australia too.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Stoker, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What more can be done to ensure that northern Australia reaches its true potential?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CANAVAN</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We've already built on the $6 billion white paper process to develop northern Australia in this year's budget, where a further $1½ billion was allocated to the Roads of Strategic Importance program. This program is to build on the Northern Australia Beef Roads Program and the Northern Australia Roads Program, which I mentioned in answers to previous questions. That will help unlock even more economic opportunity for northern Australia. We are receiving back some of those water feasibility studies which show that dams can be built across northern Australia, including recent CSIRO work which has identified six new dam proposals across northern Australia. We must support development for our Indigenous Australians, who make up more than 15 per cent of the population in northern Australia, and particularly respect their views when they want development to occur, whether it's in the cape or with the development of the Carmichael coal project, where 294 out of the 295 Wangan and Yagalingu people who voted on this project voted for the Adani mine. They want it to go ahead, and we should support the views of the Aboriginal Australians who want to see jobs.</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Veterans</title>
          <page.no>27</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator</name>
    <name.id>2O4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>HINCH () (): My question is to Minister Payne, representing the Minister for Veterans' Affairs. This weekend marks the start of the Invictus Games, a great event for wounded and sick veterans. A few months ago you acknowledged the mistreatment of veterans by Veterans' Affairs and committed to improving the culture of that organisation. What's been done between then and now to change the way the department treats those who put their lives on the line serving our country? Have guidelines been updated? Have cases been settled without dragging vets through the courts?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Hinch for his question. I have had a long and passionate interest in the Invictus Games since their inception and, most particularly, in my previous role when I worked closely with the team that represented Australia in Toronto last year. I look forward to seeing the extraordinary efforts of those who are representing Australia in my home city of Sydney, starting this coming weekend. Through the issues that Senator Hinch raised previously, and certainly through issues that had otherwise been drawn to the attention of the department, I know that there has been a focus from the new secretary, Liz Cosson, who has extensive experience and background in military service as a veteran herself, on the importance of effective, efficient, supportive and caring processes for working with and managing the challenges that many veterans face as they exit the ADF and take up new roles in life. Whilst I don't have with me specific examples to provide for Senator Hinch, I met with Secretary Cosson following the senator's previous questions on these matters. I am confident that she is diligently engaged in that process with the senior officials and the leadership of her department, and I undertake to seek further information from her and to provide that to Senator Hinch on notice.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>A supplementary question, Senator Hinch.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HINCH</name>
    <name.id>2O4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, I'm happy for you to take this question on notice but I would like an answer. I'm wondering how many disability support claims are still out there and yet to be settled between DVA and veterans. You know we've had cases where hundreds of thousands of dollars have been spent on outside lawyers taking on the veterans.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I don't have that specific detail available to me today, but I will take that on notice.</para>
<para>The PR ESIDENT: Senator Hinch, do you have a final supplementary question?</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Hinch</name>
    <name.id>2O4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I forfeit the second supplementary for previously published reasons.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Religious Freedom Review</title>
          <page.no>28</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SINGH</name>
    <name.id>M0R</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the minister representing the Prime Minister, Minister Cormann. When asked whether religious schools should be able to discriminate against LGBTIQ students and teachers, Minister Hawke said: 'Absolutely, absolutely. I don't think it's controversial.' Does Minister Hawke's statement reflect the government's position?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>No, and subsequent statements issued by the Prime Minister and others have made that very clear.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Singh, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SINGH</name>
    <name.id>M0R</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>When asked about the ability for religious schools to discriminate against LGBTI students and teachers last Wednesday, Prime Minister Morrison said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">We're not proposing to change that law to take away that existing arrangement …</para></quote>
<para>Does the Prime Minister's statement reflect the government's position?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CO</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>RMANN (—) (): Firstly, what the Prime Minister was pointing out was that the potential discrimination against students that many people have expressed concern about is currently enshrined in current legislation which was put through the parliament by the former Labor government. That is a matter of historical fact. Indeed, the explanatory memorandum to the bill circulated by the then Attorney-General and now shadow Attorney-General, Mark Dreyfus, in 2013 stated among other things that:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… otherwise discriminatory conduct on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity will not be prohibited for educational institutions established for religious purpose.</para></quote>
<para>That was in 2013. That's the law that you passed. Senator Singh, were you here in 2013? That's the law that you passed. The truth, of course, is that the Prime Minister, on behalf of the government— <inline font-style="italic">(Ti</inline><inline font-style="italic">me expired)</inline></para>
<para> </para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Singh, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SINGH</name>
    <name.id>M0R</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Three days after declaring that the government was not proposing to change laws allowing discrimination against LGBTIQ students, Prime Minister Morrison accepted Labor's offer to work to remove the outdated laws. When did the Prime Minister first tell Minister Hawke that his view no longer reflected the government's position?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I indicated to the chamber yesterday, our government does not support expulsion of students from religious non-state schools on the basis of their sexuality. This view is widely shared by religious schools and communities across the country, and the Prime Minister's statement on Saturday to that effect is self-explanatory.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Drought</title>
          <page.no>28</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Regional Services, Sport, Local Government and Decentralisation, Senator McKenzie. Can the minister update the Senate on how the Liberal-National government is supporting farmers in my home state of New South Wales during this severe drought?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Williams, for your question. We're absolutely supporting farmers in rural communities through a comprehensive package on drought measures. The recent rain across some parts of New South Wales, such as in your home town of Inverell, is incredibly welcome. I understand you've had 7½ inches since July, but I want to remind the Senate that this initial recent rain for our farmers and small businesses needs to be more and more frequent to get them back on their feet. That's why we, as a government, have extended the Drought Communities Program to provide real relief right across rural and regional areas affected by drought.</para>
<para>Rural businesses also do it tough during drought and during the recovery period. They are the local job creators and they contribute immensely to our communities economically, employing so many in our communities. They also fulfil a social role, sponsoring our local football and netball teams and the like. They're key stakeholders in ensuring we have vibrant regional communities post drought. Recently I joined the Prime Minister and the member for Calare, Andrew Gee, in Blayney, just outside of Bathurst, at a farm and rural supply business. Owners Michelle and Angus Pryse Jones spoke of the knock-on effects of the drought hitting the community hard and welcomed our government's investment to support local jobs and businesses.</para>
<para>The Mayor of Blayney, Scott Ferguson, also expressed that the local community and businesses were seeing a drop-off of upwards of 30 per cent in economic spend within the community. Our $75 million investment which will go to local councils for projects that will be procured through local businesses and employ locals is absolutely crucial to sustaining these small, regional, drought-affected towns. Similarly, a $190,000 investment to the Coonamble Shire Council to improve local infrastructure created seven jobs and used materials sourced from six small, local businesses. We can support communities like this because of our strong economic management.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Williams, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, what action has the government taken to support local jobs, small businesses and rural communities in drought?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We know that the regions are the true wealth-producing areas of Australia. Agriculture contributes more than $64 billion to our economy and employs more than 1.8 million Australians. We're making practical and commonsense changes to cut red tape and make it simpler for farmers and small businesses to get on with running their operations. We've reduced the farm household allowance application form by one-third to make it easier for farmers to understand the eligibility criteria and to apply through a rural counsellor. We've made it easier for truckies to increase their capacity to deliver precious fodder to drought-affected areas. Longer and higher loads of hay and fodder are now allowed to travel on state-controlled and nationally controlled roads without truckies having to apply for multiple permits. That will achieve a saving of 54,000 days per year in processing wait times. We'll continue to work with small businesses, local government and communities for a sustainable return to prosperity post drought.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Williams, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, why is it so important that the government takes strong action to support Australian farmers, small businesses and communities suffering as a result of the severe drought?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Liberal-National government is focused on delivering our plan for a stronger economy. A stronger economy relies on a strong regional Australia. We back hardworking Australians and farmers who are investing in local communities and in their businesses and who want to create a strong economy and employ locals.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>It will take some time for our farmers to plant next season's crops and to breed the sheep and cattle to a critical mass in order to restore productivity to their farm businesses. Local small businesses will also need time to bounce back after the economic impacts of drought and the reduced subsequent cash flow. Our government is fast-tracking business tax relief for small to medium businesses with a turnover below $50 million to see them actually having a tax rate of 25 per cent in the financial year 2021-22, delivering the benefit five years earlier to their bottom line. The Labor Party are no friends of farmers, no friends of small business. The Labor opposition, if elected, will place our economy at risk, with higher taxes and less confidence, and put regional funding on the chopping block. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Agriculture Industry</title>
          <page.no>29</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CAMERON</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Deputy Prime Minister, Senator McKenzie. In an article in this morning's <inline font-style="italic">Australian</inline> entitled 'PM walking all over McCormack, Nats say', it is reported that Nationals MPs are furious after Prime Minister Morrison refused to back the Nationals' plan to introduce a special visa for farm workers. What reasons did Prime Minister Morrison give the Deputy Prime Minister for shutting down his visa proposal?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>McKENZIE (—) (): What absolute rubbish from Senator Cameron—absolute rubbish. I sit in the National Party party room; I'm deputy leader of the National Party party room. I also sit in cabinet. And I can tell you unequivocally, Senator Cameron—through you, Mr President—that the Nationals have not given up on an agricultural visa; we have not given up on ensuring that our farmers have the workforce they need to get the crop off, to harvest, to milk the cattle, to actually process meat through our abattoirs—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Collins, on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Jacinta Collins</name>
    <name.id>GB6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, on a point of order: the question is not whether the Nationals have given up. The question is: what reasons did Prime Minister Morrison give the Deputy Prime Minister for shutting down his proposal?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You've reminded the minister of the specific nature of the question. The minister's been speaking for just over 30 seconds. At this stage I consider the minister to be directly relevant to other parts of the question. I call upon her to continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On the point of order, it just didn't happen, Senator Collins—just didn't happen. The Prime Minister made an announcement in South Australia over the weekend, which we welcome. It is actually ensuring that for those Australians who are looking for a job, who want to work, we have many, many roles available out in regional and agricultural regions and in our industries, and we look forward to welcoming them on farm to do this work. But we know that this won't be the single solution. We know this isn't the silver bullet and there is much more work to do. We've got the Seasonal Worker Program, which is filling significant gaps, and the Pacific workers scheme, which is also filling significant gaps. There are significant opportunities, I think, right throughout our region to have a win-win situation where those on Pacific islands can actually come and assist us with the great food task and support our farmers but also support their families at home. There's a lot of work we can do in ensuring that our farmers have the workforce and the skill levels they need to assist and get on with the food task. We're wanting to see agriculture grow from a $64 billion industry, as it is right now, to a $100 billion industry. That's going to take a lot of know-how, a lot of research and development, and a lot of workers.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cameron, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CAMERON</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The President of the National Farmers' Federation, Fiona Simson, has labelled the Prime Minister's announcement that his government will force welfare recipients to pick fruit where there are labour shortages 'a shallow approach to a deep problem'. Is Ms Simson correct?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The National Farmers' Federation has long advocated that we need to fill the skills shortages out in the regions. I can remember doing a Senate inquiry with Senator Lines many, many years ago through the Senate education and employment committee, where we heard directly from producers right down the east coast on the lack of labour in businesses, from strawberry farms to abattoirs.</para>
<para> </para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Wong, on a point of order.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Jacinta Collins</name>
    <name.id>GB6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Let's go on a travelogue!</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The travelogue is all very interesting, but the question was whether or not Ms Simson's comment that Mr Morrison's announcement was 'a shallow approach to a deep problem' was correct.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On the point of order, Senator McKenzie, Senator Wong has reminded you of the specific nature of the question with respect to that program. You have 35 seconds remaining to answer.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>This is a complex issue, as we found when we conducted the Senate inquiry. It's not as simple as the head of the ACTU at the time said: 'We've got X number of unemployed people in an area, and Y number of jobs. We just put them together. We just smash them together.' That was actually the advice of the trade union movement—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cameron, on a point of order.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cameron</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The point of order is on relevance. This is not about the ACTU. This is about the National Farmers' Federation saying that the government's position was a 'shallow approach to a deep problem'.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cameron, I take the point of order. Not all points of order are an opportunity to restate the question. Senator McKenzie was directly addressing, at that particular point in her answer, the nature of the problem.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>As I stated, it is a complex issue. Labour mobility in this country has been a longstanding issue. I wish that we actually had a lot more Australians coming and joining us in regional Australia, not just with the food task but with a whole raft of job opportunities— <inline font-style="italic">(</inline><inline font-style="italic">Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cameron, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CAMERON</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The article quotes another Nationals MP as saying Deputy Prime Minister McCormack is 'ineffective'. They said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Michael might be a nice bloke but he's also an ineffective nice bloke.</para></quote>
<para>Did the Deputy Prime Minister fail to deliver on the Nationals' plan to introduce a special visa for farm workers because he's just an 'ineffective nice bloke'?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I can confirm one thing out of the article you're quoting from, Senator Cameron, and that is that the Deputy Prime Minister is a nice bloke. He isn't just a nice bloke; he's a fantastic bloke. Out there in regional Australia, they know he has their back. He has their back each and every day in the party room, in the cabinet room, in the leadership conversations—and, on the floor of the House of Representatives right now, he'll be standing up for the third of Australians that don't choose to live in a capital city, for the 70 per cent of our export industries that employ over two million Australians. As the National Party, under his leadership, we have been delivering, not just having conversations around mobility schemes but looking at digital connectivity. There is the Building Better Regions Fund—round 3 is open now; if you had any seats out there, I'd say you're welcome to apply. We've also got $22.5 million for the Stronger Communities Program— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Tourism</title>
          <page.no>31</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment, Senator Birmingham. Can the minister advise the Senate on how the Liberal-National government is supporting tourism businesses, particularly in regional areas?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator McGrath for his question. Senator McGrath is a relentless champion of small businesses, particularly small businesses up and down the coast and inland across the great state of Queensland operating in the tourism sector.</para>
<para>As senators should be aware, on 27 September the Deputy Prime Minister, Mr McCormack, and I announced the opening of round 3 of the $200 million Building Better Regions Fund. For the first time under that fund, $45 million is specifically available through this round for tourism infrastructure projects. These projects will help to fund infrastructure across regional Australia to drive tourism and ensure that our record numbers of holiday visitors occurring across Australia continue to grow, especially in our regional areas. Indeed, this announcement was welcomed by Regional Development Australia, who said at the time that those projects will 'help stimulate local economies by investing in the tourism sector'. This sector is vital for our regional and remote communities—creating jobs, stimulating new business and sustaining long-term economic growth. That is a fact that is well known by those across Queensland who have long celebrated and contributed so much to our national tourism economy and those businesses.</para>
<para>Latest national visitor survey results show more Australians are choosing to holiday in their own backyard as well, which is great news, with visitor spending soaring to $67.5 billion across Australia—an increase of eight per cent—and Australians taking a record $100-plus million domestic overnight trips during the year ending 2018. This high visitor spend and the record numbers of domestic and overseas trips, as well as strong positioning in terms of our international sector, all provide great opportunities for regional and remote tourism businesses that will only be strengthened by the Liberal-National government's investment through the Building Better Regions Fund.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>The PRESIDEN T: Senator McGrath, a supplementary question.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What are some of the advantages of incorporating tourism grant funding into the Building Better Regions Fund?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I indicated, $45 million has been allocated specifically to tourism projects—an effective doubling of available infrastructure investment that was previously dedicated and targeted towards tourism infrastructure investment. Applicants will not only have access to greater funds in terms of investment in that tourism infrastructure but enjoy a better process, one that applies consistently across the whole nation rather than different state-by-state processes, and an assessment against consistent merit criteria. Applicants will not be limited by predetermined state funding allocations. The BBRF will provide more flexibility and will support the best projects that will drive tourism growth and create jobs in regional Australia, without the constraints of those state or regional borders. For those applicants who might be dreaming big, the maximum funding grant available is some $10 million—a significant increase on what applicants could receive under previous programs. And there's strong potential to support major infrastructure works that would not otherwise be possible—infrastructure works that can only continue to help our tourism sector to grow into the future.</para>
<para>Th e PRESIDENT: Senator McGrath, a final supplementary question.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>How can tourism businesses take advantage of the new tourism component of the Building Better Regions Fund?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This is just another example of our Liberal-National government backing Australia's small and medium-sized businesses, as we do through lower taxes and support for their employment of record numbers of Australians. For those in the tourism sector who wish to take advantage of the Building Better Regions Fund and can do so, applications are now open. I encourage them to visit business.gov.au to look at the details and applications for the Building Better Regions Fund, which close on 15 November this year. Applicants need to be working with a not-for-profit organisation. I encourage tourism small businesses to partner with local councils or other community organisations to be eligible to maximise the potential benefits to regional Australia to access these funds, because this investment, alongside our other investments, our lower taxes and our better investment environment will help spur more jobs and more opportunities for people living and working across regional Australia.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Trade with Indonesia</title>
          <page.no>32</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment. At this moment, we have reports that Indonesia is considering suspending its imminent trade deal with Australia over the Prime Minister's announcement in relation to the move of Australia's embassy to Jerusalem. Can the minister please update the Senate on whether or not that is in fact the case?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As indeed the Prime Minister and the foreign minister outlined in their statements earlier today, the government was proactive in its engagement with Indonesia. Our government remains committed to pursuit of the comprehensive strategic partnership with Indonesia and to delivery of the comprehensive economic partnership agreement with Indonesia. We know the importance of strong and effective engagement. We know that those opposite, when they were last in government, failed in their engagement with Indonesia, cutting off significant trade flows to Indonesia that disrupted the relationship. We are committed to continuing to build that relationship. The only significant threat that I am aware of to the comprehensive economic partnership agreement at present are the policies announced by the Labor Party that would seek to unpick that agreement and potentially block its ratification through this parliament.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Wong, a supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister confirm whether or not the report is accurate? Does it reflect an indication to the government from representatives of the Indonesian government?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have not seen the report that Senator Wong refers to. I'm not aware of the report and so I certainly cannot speak to any such report. I can restate, as I did before, that the only threat that I am aware of to the successful conclusion of negotiations around the comprehensive economic partnership agreement is the policies of those opposite, announced recently, in fact on the front page of today's <inline font-style="italic">Financial Review</inline>, which demonstrate that Labor would be incapable in government, it seems, of concluding and ratifying that agreement, because they have announced that they stand against aspects of that agreement that has been successfully negotiated by the Liberal-National government.</para>
<para> </para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Wong, a final supplementary question.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Did the government receive any warnings or indication from Indonesia about any potential consequences for this or other aspects of the bilateral relationship with Australia as a consequence of the pending announcement in discussions with the Indonesians prior to the announcement by Mr Morrison today? Does the minister agree that this demonstrates yet again the risk that this Prime Minister has played with the national interest by making a decision in relation to bipartisan foreign policy positions in order to gain votes in Wentworth?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Firstly, I reject the premise of the tail end of Senator Wong's question. Secondly, I would point Senator Wong to my answers to the preceding two questions, where I highlighted the fact that the Prime Minister and Minister Payne had addressed these matters in their answers to questioning earlier today and that I had highlighted before that the only threat to the ratification of CEPA that I'm aware of is the opposition by those opposite to the key components negotiated within CEPA. Indeed, in terms of taking lectures and advice about relations with Indonesia, we will not be taking lectures from those opposite, who of course brought the relationship with Indonesia to its knees with their ban of the live cattle trade. Those opposite—with no warning, no discussion, none of the type of proper consultation that you would expect—took a decision that directly impacted upon Indonesia, upon their food security, and that was a disaster at the time. It was a disaster that continues to hang over your head in terms of your capabilities on foreign and trade relations. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cormann</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para> Mr President, I ask that further questions be placed on the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper.</inline></para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS</title>
        <page.no>33</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Racism</title>
          <page.no>33</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DODSON</name>
    <name.id>SR5</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the answer given by the Minister for Small and Family Business, Skills and Vocational Education (Senator Cash) to a question without notice asked by Senator Dodson today relating to a vote on a motion concerning anti-white racism.</para></quote>
<para>When I was a boy I grew up with the slogans whereby white folks were referred to as 'merinos'. That meant that they dominated the land and they took control of the best pieces of land, and that particular activity was known as 'peacocking'. So, they stole the best pieces of land from the Aboriginal peoples. It seems that we haven't moved very far in terms of this notion of greed that underpins racism.</para>
<para>What is the problem with being white? What is the problem? You have privilege. You have influence. You control every strata of life where we as First Nations exist—our social, our religious and our economic positions. And you've been in control of these lands and these waters and have managed them for the last 200 years. So, what's your problem? Over this time you have sought, through your policies, to exterminate the First Nations people, who happen to be different in colour from your whiteness. As I've said, you've managed every activity of our life, through policies and practices, if not of the gun then of bureaucrats and police. You've usurped our sovereign lands, and the waters, and you continue to deny us a rightful place in the Constitution of this nation. So, what's your problem? You've got the power, you've got the influence, you've got the status and you've got the might, and you say you're being discriminated against.</para>
<para>Well, join my side of the tracks, where we're the most poverty-stricken group in the country. We're the most incarcerated group in the country. Our kids are being taken off us and being put out into out-of-home care with the hope they'll be fostered out to white folks. We're people who are denied our rightful place in this country at every point. When it butts up against the multinationals, you amend the Native Title Act to suit the corporates. And you say you're disadvantaged and that you're being discriminated against. Well, join my side of the tracks and you'll find out what that means.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>This is not really a question of colour. This is not a question of black and white. We're human beings. Maybe you want to study that a bit, and find out from people who understand that we come from one set of genes, with variations in our cultures, our customs and our practices. There's no superiority in white or black. We're human beings. And the day you want to become an Australian, then start to learn from the First Australians how to live in this country.</para>
<para>The act of government senators yesterday in support of this slogan by white supremacists really happened not because of a staffer who they tried to condemn and not because of some overworked senators who have responsibility for government business in the Senate. Let me suggest: it comes from being privileged. It comes from being privileged and allowing greed to reign. It comes from being white being synonymous with privilege and power. That's what has to be taken stock of, if we're ever going to lead to fairness for the rest of the nation's populations.</para>
<para>As I've said, the First Nations are poverty-stricken, powerless, overincarcerated and do not live with privilege or opportunities to exercise a voice in these halls of power and fame. If you want to fight racism—and I really doubt whether you do after this performance and previous performances going back to the last Prime Minister—you have to do something about greed and power. You definitely do. Take stock of it. You're leading the country nowhere, from a civil society point of view. You can argue about economics, but from a civil society point of view you're not contributing to the building of this nation as a coherent, social, civil society. You're seeking to drive wedges and drive further discord and division amongst people who are honest and fair in the main, and you'd do that on the basis of colour. I condemn you for it. You use power so well, not just to send a dog whistle; you actually had a bull's roar in here. It's not a dog whistle— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ABETZ</name>
    <name.id>N26</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cash gave a very sensitive answer to the question that was posed to her earlier in question time. Let's be very clear in this debate. There is the suggestion that we on this side are somehow racist, but we were the first party to endorse and have elected to this parliament somebody from the First Nations—namely, former senator Neville Bonner. This just destroys Senator Dodson's political argument. And it is a very political argument that is not based on the evidence.</para>
<para>We then move on to ask: which party provided the first Indigenous minister of the Crown in the federal parliament? Well, it's Minister Wyatt, from Western Australia. Yet, somehow, we are trying to discriminate against the First Nations people when we have embraced them into our party, endorsed them and, indeed, ensured that they are part and parcel of mainstream democracy in Australia. I would invite Senator Dodson to listen to a former president of the Australian Labor Party, Mr Mundine, who has a lot of things to say about the sort of politics and rhetoric in which Senator Dodson has just engaged. It is not assisting the Indigenous community or in building bridges between the various communities within Australia. I would also invite him to listen to the Indigenous councillor, the Country Liberal Party candidate for the seat of Lingiari, Councillor Jacinta Price. She has also spoken very strongly about the sort of divisive rhetoric that Senator Dodson engaged in and which is not helpful.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Let there be no doubt that this country has to continually deal with the legacy of white settlement and the impact that it has had on the Indigenous community, but it's not assisted by the sort of language that was unfortunately used by Senator Dodson. I would just invite him to come with us on the journey of seeking, for example, to engage the Indigenous community with education, because, within the Indigenous community, if people have achieved a certificate IV, then in relation to matters economic and being part and parcel of mainstream society it is very difficult to show that there has been discrimination. That is part and parcel of the work that Andrew Forrest has been able to provide to this parliament on a number of occasions. That is why Minister Scullion, the Minister for Indigenous Affairs, is so anxious to ensure that we get our Indigenous community to have their children attend school so that they too can benefit from the economic wellbeing within Australia. If they are able to achieve certificate IV, they are well and truly on the track, along with every other Australian.</para>
<para>That is how we seek to address the difficult elements that the Indigenous community face. That is how one deals with these things, not by the sort of rhetoric, with respect, from Senator Dodson. That does not help the debate. That does not help Indigenous people to become part and parcel of enjoying all the things that we all, as Australians, ought to be able to enjoy. So I say divisive rhetoric does not help; practical solutions do. We on this side do celebrate the likes of former senator Neville Bonner, the Hon. Ken Wyatt, Country Liberal Party candidate Jacinta Price and, of late, Warren Mundine. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KETT</name>
    <name.id>244247</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>ER (—) (): What a regrettable contribution on the part of Senator Abetz to this very, very serious question. Now, Senator Abetz and those opposite really are taking the people of Australia for mugs in this whole exercise. To put to us that this exercise was just an administrative error really beggars belief. I would put it to those opposite to seriously consider that there is something wrong at the very heart of the decision-making processes of this dysfunctional government. For a government to pretend that there was an administrative error involved in supporting this appalling One Nation motion just beggars belief, and I'm sure the people of Australia will understand that.</para>
<para>What is quite clearly evident here is that this is a government which is totally driven by polls. It's quite clear to me that Mr Porter, in his decision to wave through the One Nation resolution, was really looking at the situation in his own seat of Pearce, where it was reported recently that his primary vote is down by 20 per cent to 26.1 per cent. One Nation is now looking at polling at about 12.6 per cent. So, is Mr Porter looking at that issue? That's what drove the government's initial approach to this resolution. Once again, it's a poll-driven response from the Prime Minister looking at the Wentworth by-election some days away and deciding now there's a reason to adopt a different position. This government is taking us for mugs and the people of Australia for mugs. So, perhaps the dog ate the Liberal Party's homework this morning. Maybe Minister Cormann should bring us a note from Prime Minister Morrison. But, no, it was Prime Minister Morrison who threw his Senate colleagues under a bus in what he said.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>It's been pointed out a number of times that it was former Senator Boswell who really took a high road on this particular issue. In his valedictory speech he said that a defining moment for him was his tackling of the League of Rights—a far-right-wing anti-Semitic organisation which he saw as trying to exert influence over churches and other areas of society—and also what he described as the fight of his life against Pauline Hanson—Senator Hanson now. He said he risked everything to stand up against her aggressive, narrow view of Australia, and he defined defeating Senator Hanson and One Nation in 2001 as being his greatest political achievement. He made the point that you have to stand for something, and I think that's something that is forgotten by this government. They do not stand for anything. They're entirely poll driven.</para>
<para>The Prime Minister said it was regrettable that his Senate colleagues voted in favour of the One Nation, resolution, but he would say that, wouldn't he? This is the Prime Minister that voted against a banking royal commission 26 times—'regrettable but necessary'. How embarrassed Minister Cormann has been, delivering his mea culpa in this place today. He has been thrown under the bus by the Prime Minister—all of the coalition senators have been—and he had to stand and cop it. He mentioned conspiracy theories. We don't believe that there are any conspiracy theories here. This was a poll-driven response by this government, devoid of any values and principles. This is a government in its death throes. Let's be very clear about that. This is a government which is divided amongst itself, fighting itself and not focused on the issues.</para>
<para>What is deplorable to me is that the issue of racism should be something which is above politics. The alternative parties of government should join together and stand together against racism, and the fact that this government chose to turn its back on that approach is absolutely appalling. What we need to see is an election as soon as possible. Let's get rid of this rabble. We need to have a government which is up to the task of representing the people of Australia and making the decisions that the people of Australia require of us.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>One of the unfortunate challenges of the Australian Senate is that often statesmen in our community come to the Senate and succumb to the opportunity to be a politician. It's a great shame. Senator Dodson is someone from Western Australia, my home state, who is very well regarded and trusted across the Kimberley. He's a man of great eminence, and he's a true Australian statesman. That's why someone like me can't help but be very disappointed with the contribution that Senator Dodson just made, because he chose to be a politician and not the statesman that he is.</para>
<para>As disappointing as that is, I do accept that as we approach the end of this year, as we approach Christmas, unfortunately it does get a little bit silly in this place. As we approach the end of any parliamentary year, and as we succumb to the temptation to play politics in the lead-up to the next general election, I suppose it's beholden on each of us to think carefully and perhaps exercise greater caution when political opportunities like the one that we saw yesterday present themselves.</para>
<para>Senator Dodson stepped back from being a well-regarded Australian statesman to being a politician. I say that because of the evidence—two important sets of facts Senator Dodson chose to ignore. The first set of facts Senator Dodson chose to ignore was the set of facts that surrounded the unfortunate circumstances—and I'm a member of the coalition—of the vote yesterday in regard to a very bad, very unfortunate, very unnecessary notice of motion by One Nation. What are the facts in regard to that? The facts are very clear. Senator Cormann, as the leader of the coalition in the Senate, took ownership. He came to the Senate this morning and asked for the vote to be recommitted, meaning the vote was put again, and every coalition senator voted against that atrocious motion from Pauline Hanson's One Nation.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>We took ownership of what was an error—not an error of policy, not an error of judgement but an error of administrative process. And I know that many Australians are not aware of the arcane nature of governing from the Australian Senate; they might not know what that means, but this is the point: coalition senators came back into the Australian Senate and corrected the situation. That's the first set of facts that Senator Dodson chose to ignore. He didn't even have the courtesy of reflecting on that in his five-minute contribution.</para>
<para>What's the other set of facts that Senator Dodson chose to ignore? Senator Dodson's contribution quite rightly pointed to the very, very serious disadvantage that Indigenous Australians face in our country. I know this. I'm a Senator from Western Australia. I spend time in the Kimberley and regional areas of my home state. I don't spend as much time in the Kimberley as Senator Dodson does, but I like to think that in my own way I, like him, am doing what I can be doing to draw attention to the issue of Indigenous disadvantage and improve it. So what is happening with regard to Indigenous disadvantage? I'll be the first to admit that we need to do more and that we need to act faster, and I've had lots to say about Indigenous health issues, particularly with regard to the explosion of STIs and HIV across Indigenous communities. There's always more to be done. But let's be clear, together, through bipartisanship, this parliament is doing the best it can do.</para>
<para>If Senator Dodson had chosen to be the statesman rather than the politician, he would have reflected on the fact that Indigenous child mortality has declined by 35 per cent between 1998 and 2016. The overall Indigenous mortality rate has declined by 14 per cent since 1998. Fewer Indigenous Australians are dying from chronic conditions. The rate of alcohol drinking during pregnancy has halved, and there's been a significant improvement in the proportion of Indigenous 20- to 24-year-olds achieving year 12 or equivalent schooling—up from 47 per cent in 2006 to 65 per cent in 2016. Like I said, there's always more to be done. And on the difficult issue of constitutional recognition, the coalition government has continued the process in an effort to bring Australians together on this. So, Senator McCarthy, your challenge is not to be a politician but to be a stateswoman. Over to you.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Smith. Senator McCarthy.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>One thing that we've not heard from the other side is condemnation—not one word of condemnation against what we know in this Senate has been a complete focus on division and racism. There's been no word of condemnation from either of the senators on the other side who stood up to speak. Senator Abetz, no regret for the commentary that he made yesterday; no apology. I quote his statement to Fairfax:</para>
<quote><para class="block">While the motion wasn't as elegantly written as it could have been, this crazy notion that people of Anglo-Saxon descent can't be discriminated against because of their skin colour but others can is just strange.</para></quote>
<para>Show some leadership. How about standing up and saying that conversation, which we all know Senator Hanson has form on, is not the kind of debate we want in this country. Show some backbone. Stand up and admit that, yes, it may have been an error on your part, but there has still been no condemnation for the very fact that the whole purpose of the motion was to divide the country. And guess what? That's what it's doing, and that's what it's going to continue to do throughout the rest of this day and in weeks to come. There has to be greater condemnation when these sorts of things happen, in particular from you in leadership, in government.</para>
<para>To stand up here and patronise Senator Dodson for reflecting on his history as a First Nations man in this country and the deep hurt, the trauma and the tragedy of First Nations people in this country is not the way to go.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>You have missed the point completely again. You've been fooled again by One Nation, by this complete distraction dividing this nation, and none of you have condemned her for it. You take the road of condemning a senior Aboriginal elder, the father of reconciliation, who stood in this house to say to you that this is something that you can do much better. We know, as I said earlier in the house this afternoon, that it's about the content of your character. We do not want to see this country always focusing on our differences. Find out what it is that unites us as a nation. But come out and call it for what it is when those people stand up and seek to divide us by putting a wedge between all of us—to get our country all tied up in knots—over whether they're black enough, white enough, brown enough, short enough, tall enough, Christian or Muslim. Stand up and have some backbone. Show real leadership in condemning One Nation.</para>
<para>I see that the Minister for Indigenous Affairs has gone out in the media to apologise. I call on the Minister for Indigenous Affairs: don't just apologise out there; do it right in here, in this chamber. It takes a great deal of responsibility to be a leader in this country, a responsibility that all Australians expect us to take very seriously. For the Minister for Indigenous Affairs, and, as Senator Eric Abetz has mentioned, the CLP candidate for the Northern Territory and a Alice Springs councillor to come out so irresponsibly on this issue is a sad indictment for the people of the Northern Territory, a deeper disappointment for First Nations people in this country and certainly shows a real abrogation of understanding the importance of your role to represent in an appropriate, responsible and effective way that cares about bringing people together, not dividing this nation. I call on the Minister for Indigenous Affairs: come into the Senate and explain yourself to the Senate. Let us know in here what it is you really mean.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Alcohol Abuse</title>
          <page.no>36</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the answer given by the Minister for Indigenous Affairs (Senator Scullion) to a question without notice asked by Senator Griff today relating to Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder.</para></quote>
<para>The minister said that he hopes the government continues to provide money to DrinkWise for public awareness campaigns. I was stumped by this because they have done such a poor job so far. The consistent message from DrinkWise is that it's safest not to drink alcohol while pregnant, which implies that it can be safe to drink while pregnant to some degree. How is this an appropriate health message? The warnings should be as stark as, 'Do not drink while pregnant, because you will harm your baby's brain.' I have looked at the videos that our taxpayer money has funded, and the short videos talk about FASD but do not make it abundantly clear the danger that alcohol poses to a baby. In the Aaron Pedersen video, he says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">FASD can be prevented as long as the baby's not exposed to alcohol during pregnancy, because, when mum drinks, the baby drinks.</para></quote>
<para>What is the message here? It is not making it clear to women what the harms are if mum drinks and the baby drinks. We can do better, and this should mean the Department of Health takes the reins of FASD public health promotion from DrinkWise.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Middle East</title>
          <page.no>37</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of an answer given by the Minister for Foreign Affairs (Senator Payne) to a question without notice asked by Senator Di Natale today.</para></quote>
<para>This Morrison government decision to relocate the Australian embassy to Jerusalem is a disgrace. This is a government that seems hell-bent on ruining Australia's international reputation by cynically lining up behind a dangerous and unstable US President to destroy any prospect of a just peace between Israel and Palestine and, of course, sacrificing our relationship with our friends and neighbours, such as Indonesia.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>The announcement regarding Jerusalem is nothing more than a craven attempt to effectively play a set piece from the Donald Trump foreign policy manual. It's about creating a big stir with a controversial statement. It plays to your base. It advances the politics of fear and division and is done with an eye on the Wentworth by-election, which is around the corner. But I have a great faith that many of the Jewish voters in Wentworth don't share the Prime Minister's views on Jerusalem and the uranium nuclear deal and they don't share it for a variety of reasons.</para>
<para>Let's consider what types of policies and behaviour the Morrison government's announcement is now rewarding. Just a few months ago, the Israeli government passed the nation-state Basic Law, which states that Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people and that the realisation of national self-determination in the state of Israel will be exclusively for the Jewish people. It announces that greater and united Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and that Arabic loses its status as an official language. And, of course, it confirms that Jewish settlements will continue. Settlements in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank are illegal under international law. Almost 600,000 Jewish Israelis now live illegally in the West Bank. In August, Israel approved plans for more than 1,000 settlements, 96 per cent of which are isolated settlements that Israel would likely need to evacuate within a two-state agreement. Let me reiterate: building these settlements is a flagrant violation of international law. It's illegal. The UN Security Council once again confirmed the illegality of the settlements. How can Palestinians trust that the Israeli government is serious about peace talks when it keeps taking more land and when it deliberately creates, on the ground, a pre-emptive territorial claim?</para>
<para>Settlements make life extremely difficult for ordinary Palestinians, through checkpoints and settler-only roads. They increase the incidence of demolition of homes and communities in Palestine. This is the sort of behaviour that the Australian government is rewarding with its announcement today. If we really wanted to salvage the possibility of a two-state solution, we would recognise Palestine. We wouldn't pander to Donald Trump and, indeed, to Mr Netanyahu. Recognising a Palestinian state reaffirms the fact that the occupation is illegal. It shows that there are alternatives to armed resistance, and it could represent an important step in unblocking negotiations. It demonstrates that the international community will not let the current reality continue. Once again, I say: shame on you, Mr Morrison, for again giving in to the extreme right of your party and undermining international peace efforts in false pursuit of an electoral outcome on the weekend.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>37</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Presentation</title>
          <page.no>37</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I give notice that, on the next sitting day, I shall move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the provisions of paragraphs (5) to (8) of standing order 111 not apply to the Treasury Laws Amendment (Lower Taxes for Small and Medium Businesses) Bill 2018, allowing it to be considered during this period of sittings.</para></quote>
<para>I also table a statement of reasons justifying the need for this bill to be considered during these sittings and seek leave to have the statement incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The statement read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Purpose of the B ill</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The bill brings forward the tax cuts for small and medium businesses. The tax rate for companies with annual turnover below $50 million will be reduced to 26 per cent in 2020-21 and 25 per cent in 2021-22 and subsequent years. The unincorporated small business tax discount rate will be increased to 13 per cent in 2020-21 and 16 per cent in 2021-22 and subsequent years.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reasons for Urgency</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The bill requires passage in the 2018 Spring sittings in order to give small and medium businesses certainty to make long-term investment decisions.</para></quote>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>38</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Leave of Absence</title>
          <page.no>38</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BUSHBY</name>
    <name.id>HLL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That leave of absence be granted to the following senators:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) Senator Macdonald from 15 October to 18 October 2018, on account of parliamentary business;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) Senator Martin from 15 October to 18 October 2018, for personal reasons;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) Senator Paterson on 15 October 2018, on account of parliamentary business; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) Senator Seselja from 16 October to 18 October 2018, on account of parliamentary business.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>38</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Postponement</title>
          <page.no>38</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>38</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Environment and Communications References Committee</title>
          <page.no>38</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reporting Date</title>
            <page.no>38</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I remind senators that the question may be put on any proposal at the request of any senator. There being none, we will move on.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>38</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Presentation</title>
          <page.no>38</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Pursuant to standing order 78(1), I give notice of my intention, at the giving of notices on the next day of sitting, to withdraw business of the Senate notice of motion No. 1 standing in my name for 13 November 2018 proposing that the Social Security (Declared Program Participant) Determination 2018 made under the Social Security Act 1991 be disallowed.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>38</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Privileges Committee</title>
          <page.no>38</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reference</title>
            <page.no>38</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Pratt, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) That the following matter be referred to the Committee of Privileges for inquiry and report:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The disposition of the material over which a claim of privilege has been made by Senator Pratt, namely, the material delivered to the Clerk of the Senate on 11 October 2018 by the Australian Federal Police (AFP) following the execution of search warrants on that day, and other copies of the same material.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) In carrying out its inquiry, the committee shall have regard to the law of parliamentary privilege, and the powers and practices of the Commonwealth Houses.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) The committee shall be provided by the AFP with a list and a description of the seized material but the list and description to be provided by the AFP must not contain any information that could identify any person subject to investigation by the AFP in connection with the execution of the search warrants referred to in paragraph (1).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) The committee shall provide to affected parties the opportunity to make submissions on the claim of parliamentary privilege and may seek submissions on the application of the law of parliamentary privilege.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) If the committee is able to determine the matter without examining the material, it shall report accordingly to the Senate, making recommendations for the disposition of the material.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) If the committee is unable to determine the matter without an examination of the material, it may:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) with the approval of the President, appoint an appropriate person to examine the material and report to it on the claim of parliamentary privilege, or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) examine the material itself.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(7) The material shall remain in the custody of the Clerk at all times until its disposition is determined by the Senate, except that the Clerk may provide access for the committee, or for a person appointed by the committee, to examine the material in accordance with paragraph (6).</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Finance and Public Administration References Committee</title>
          <page.no>39</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reference</title>
            <page.no>39</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I, and also on behalf of Senator O'Neill, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following matter be referred to the Finance and Public Administration References Committee for inquiry and report by 29 March 2019:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Government interference in the independence and integrity of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), with particular reference to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the operation of Parts II, III and IIIA of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation Act 1983, in relation to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the duties of the Board and Managing Director, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) appointments, terminations and resignations of persons under these parts;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) performance of the ABC Board under the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability Act 2013, in relation to general duties of officials;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) implications of political influence for governance at the ABC, including via:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) board appointments,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) funding decisions,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) policy and legislative proposals,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) reviews and inquiries, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) content complaints, queries and requests;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) safeguarding and promoting the independence and integrity of the ABC; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) any related matters.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government does not support this motion. If it is the will of the chamber to have an inquiry, the appropriate forum would be the Senate Environment and Communications References Committee.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We have before us today two separate motions establishing inquiries into what has gone on in the ABC and political interference. The Greens believe the more appropriate committee for this to go to would be the committee that usually deals with these issues, which of course is the Environment and Communications References Committee, so we won't be supporting this motion.</para>
<para> </para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that business of the Senate notice of motion No. 3 be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [15:41]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>23</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Brown, CL</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                  <name>Collins, JMA</name>
                  <name>Dodson, P</name>
                  <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                  <name>Griff, S</name>
                  <name>Hinch, D</name>
                  <name>Keneally, KK</name>
                  <name>Ketter, CR</name>
                  <name>Kitching, K</name>
                  <name>Leyonhjelm, DE</name>
                  <name>Lines, S</name>
                  <name>Marshall, GM</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, DM</name>
                  <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                  <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                  <name>Singh, LM</name>
                  <name>Smith, DPB</name>
                  <name>Storer, TR</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                  <name>Wong, P</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>35</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Abetz, E</name>
                  <name>Anning, F</name>
                  <name>Bernardi, C</name>
                  <name>Birmingham, SJ</name>
                  <name>Brockman, S</name>
                  <name>Bushby, DC (teller)</name>
                  <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                  <name>Di Natale, R</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                  <name>Fawcett, DJ</name>
                  <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                  <name>Fifield, MP</name>
                  <name>Georgiou, P</name>
                  <name>Gichuhi, LM</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                  <name>Hume, J</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, B</name>
                  <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                  <name>Molan, AJ</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, B</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J</name>
                  <name>Payne, MA</name>
                  <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                  <name>Rice, J</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A</name>
                  <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                  <name>Scullion, NG</name>
                  <name>Siewert, R</name>
                  <name>Smith, DA</name>
                  <name>Stoker, AJ</name>
                  <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                  <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>8</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                  <name>Seselja, Z</name>
                  <name>Cameron, DN</name>
                  <name>Cormann, M</name>
                  <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                  <name>Martin, S.L</name>
                  <name>Farrell, D</name>
                  <name>Cash, MC</name>
                  <name>Moore, CM</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J</name>
                  <name>Polley, H</name>
                  <name>Sinodinos, A</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G</name>
                  <name>Williams, JR</name>
                  <name>Watt, M</name>
                  <name>Macdonald, I</name>
                </names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>40</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Religious Freedom Review</title>
          <page.no>40</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) Australia is a tolerant and accepting nation and discrimination against LGBTI Australians has no place in our national laws,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the Government has had the Review into Religious Freedoms since May 2018, and has so far refused to release it so Australia can have a proper debate about these important issues,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) repeated leaks over the last week have suggested that the review will recommend changes to exemptions from anti-discrimination legislation in relation to LGBTI students and staff,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) many religious education institutions have made clear that they do not use, nor do they want, these exemptions, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) these exemptions are out of step with the views and beliefs of most Australians; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on the Federal Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) immediately introduce legislation which would abolish the current exemptions that permit discrimination against LGBTI students and staff in religious schools, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) immediately release the Review into Religious Freedoms so the Australian people can have a mature debate about how we can best balance protection of religious freedom with the rights of people to live free from discrimination, in compliance with the orders of the Senate of 19 September and 20 September 2018.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The expert panel that conducted the Religious Freedom Review undertook a comprehensive engagement with the community and received over 15,000 submissions. As a result, the government is carefully considering the expert panel's report and will respond to it in due course. The Prime Minister has already announced changes to strengthen protections for students from discrimination by proposing restrictions to the law introduced in 2013 by the previous Labor government, which gave religious schools greater ability to expel students where the school considered that it was necessary according to the doctrines of their religion. Recent misreporting about the proposal and the current law has created unnecessary confusion and anxiety for parents and students alike. The government are currently working on the proposed amendments, and we will consult with the opposition and others to work on a bipartisan basis to provide certainty in this area.</para>
<para> </para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that general business notice of motion No. 1126 be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [15:50]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>32</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Brown, CL</name>
                <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                <name>Collins, JMA</name>
                <name>Di Natale, R</name>
                <name>Dodson, P</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                <name>Griff, S</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                <name>Hinch, D</name>
                <name>Keneally, KK</name>
                <name>Ketter, CR</name>
                <name>Kitching, K</name>
                <name>Lines, S</name>
                <name>Marshall, GM</name>
                <name>McAllister, J</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                <name>O'Neill, DM</name>
                <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                <name>Rice, J</name>
                <name>Siewert, R</name>
                <name>Singh, LM</name>
                <name>Smith, DPB</name>
                <name>Sterle, G</name>
                <name>Storer, TR</name>
                <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
                <name>Wong, P</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>29</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Abetz, E</name>
                <name>Anning, F</name>
                <name>Bernardi, C</name>
                <name>Birmingham, SJ</name>
                <name>Brockman, S</name>
                <name>Bushby, DC (teller)</name>
                <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                <name>Duniam, J</name>
                <name>Fawcett, DJ</name>
                <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                <name>Fifield, MP</name>
                <name>Georgiou, P</name>
                <name>Gichuhi, LM</name>
                <name>Hanson, P</name>
                <name>Hume, J</name>
                <name>Leyonhjelm, DE</name>
                <name>McGrath, J</name>
                <name>McKenzie, B</name>
                <name>Molan, AJ</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, B</name>
                <name>Paterson, J</name>
                <name>Payne, MA</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                <name>Ruston, A</name>
                <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                <name>Scullion, NG</name>
                <name>Smith, DA</name>
                <name>Stoker, AJ</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>7</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names>
                <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                <name>Cormann, M</name>
                <name>Cameron, DN</name>
                <name>Seselja, Z</name>
                <name>Farrell, D</name>
                <name>Williams, JR</name>
                <name>Moore, CM</name>
                <name>Cash, MC</name>
                <name>Polley, H</name>
                <name>Sinodinos, A</name>
                <name>Steele-John, J</name>
                <name>Martin, S.L</name>
                <name>Watt, M</name>
                <name>Macdonald, I</name>
              </names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>42</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Environment and Communications References Committee</title>
          <page.no>42</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reference</title>
            <page.no>42</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following matter be referred to the Environment and Communications References Committee for inquiry and report by 29 March 2019:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The allegations of political interference in the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), with particular reference to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the termination of ABC Managing Director, Ms Michelle Guthrie;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the conduct of the Chair and the Board;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the structure, composition and appointments of the ABC Board;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) the political influence or attempted influence of the Government over ABC editorial decision-making, including:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) outcomes of the Competitive Neutrality of the National Broadcaster Inquiry and Efficiency Review - ABC and SBS, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the role of funding uncertainty in facilitating political influence;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) governance, legislative and funding options to strengthen the editorial independence and strength of the ABC to prosecute its charter obligations; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(f) other related matters.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government will not oppose this motion. The government has always respected the independence of the ABC.</para>
<para> </para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that business of the Senate notice of motion No. 2 be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [15:56]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>35</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Abetz, E</name>
                  <name>Birmingham, SJ</name>
                  <name>Brockman, S</name>
                  <name>Bushby, DC (teller)</name>
                  <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                  <name>Di Natale, R</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                  <name>Fawcett, DJ</name>
                  <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                  <name>Fifield, MP</name>
                  <name>Gichuhi, LM</name>
                  <name>Griff, S</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                  <name>Hinch, D</name>
                  <name>Hume, J</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, B</name>
                  <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                  <name>Molan, AJ</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J</name>
                  <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                  <name>Payne, MA</name>
                  <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                  <name>Rice, J</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A</name>
                  <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                  <name>Scullion, NG</name>
                  <name>Siewert, R</name>
                  <name>Smith, DA</name>
                  <name>Stoker, AJ</name>
                  <name>Storer, TR</name>
                  <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                  <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>24</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Anning, F</name>
                  <name>Bernardi, C</name>
                  <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                  <name>Collins, JMA</name>
                  <name>Dodson, P</name>
                  <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                  <name>Georgiou, P</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P</name>
                  <name>Keneally, KK</name>
                  <name>Ketter, CR</name>
                  <name>Kitching, K</name>
                  <name>Leyonhjelm, DE</name>
                  <name>Lines, S</name>
                  <name>Marshall, GM</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                  <name>Moore, CM</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, DM</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, B</name>
                  <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                  <name>Singh, LM</name>
                  <name>Smith, DPB</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>8</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Cash, MC</name>
                  <name>Farrell, D</name>
                  <name>Cormann, M</name>
                  <name>Wong, P</name>
                  <name>Macdonald, ID</name>
                  <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                  <name>Martin, S.L</name>
                  <name>Watt, M</name>
                  <name>Seselja, Z</name>
                  <name>Cameron, DN</name>
                  <name>Sinodinos, A</name>
                  <name>Polley, H</name>
                  <name>Steele-John, J</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G</name>
                  <name>Williams, JR</name>
                  <name>Brown, C</name>
                </names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.</p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>43</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee</title>
          <page.no>43</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reference</title>
            <page.no>43</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Brown, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following matter be referred to the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee for inquiry and report by 1 February 2019:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The independence of regulatory decisions made by the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA), with particular reference to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (a) the responsiveness and effectiveness of the APVMA's process for reviewing and reassessing the safety of agricultural chemicals in Australia, including glyphosate, and how this compares with equivalent international regulators;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (b) the funding arrangements of the APVMA, comparisons with equivalent agricultural chemical regulators internationally and any impact these arrangements have on independent evidence-based decision making;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (c) the roles and responsibilities of relevant departments and agencies of Commonwealth, state and territory governments in relation to the regulation of pesticides and veterinary chemicals;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (d) the need to ensure Australia's farmers have timely access to safe, environmentally sustainable and productivity enhancing products;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (e) the impact of the APVMA's relocation on its capability to undertake chemical reviews in a timely manner; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (f) any other related matters.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government does not support this inquiry. The APVMA is an independent and competent regulator of agrichemicals. The government has taken steps to further protect its independence by introducing legislation to have a skills based board to protect transparency and accountability of the APVMA and its functions. Rather than waste time on an inquiry, the opposition should back the bill.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We welcome this referral by Labor of the independence of the APVMA to inquiry, particularly given the massive collapse in that agency's capacity, during the relocation to Armidale, to undertake the chemical reviews that it needs to do. However, in light of the Californian court ruling and the World Health Organization's finding that glyphosate is probably carcinogenic, the fact that this inquiry will only touch on the ability of the APVMA to assess chemicals like glyphosate does not abrogate the need for an independent, transparent, science based inquiry into the safety of glyphosate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>44</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Sydney Opera House</title>
          <page.no>44</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the Sydney Opera House was inscribed on the World Heritage List in 2007 in recognition of it being a masterpiece of 20th century architecture,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the Minister for the Environment has a responsibility to protect the Opera House under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) the NSW Liberal Government allowed a promotion for a horse racing event to be displayed on the sails of the Opera House in contravention of state heritage laws, the Opera House Plan of Management and the overwhelming views of the community;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) condemns the NSW Government for treating the Opera House as a billboard; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) calls on the Minister for the Environment to take action to protect our cultural icons.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The light projection approved by the New South Wales government was a short-term event that did not impact on the World Heritage values of the Sydney Opera House.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<para>The PRESI DENT: Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor supports this motion. Last week Labor called on the Minister for the Environment, as the minister responsible for Australia's World Heritage sites, to clarify this issue. World Heritage sites have to be administered according to management plans prepared and implemented by the minister. The conservation management plan for the Sydney Opera House says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The Sydney Opera House exterior, particularly the shells … should not be regarded as a giant billboard or commercial/advertising opportunity.</para></quote>
<para>Labor has asked a number of questions of the minister, including: 'At what point did the minister ask for advice on the values of the Opera House and whether they had been breached or impacted? What was the advice provided to the minister? What decisions has the minister taken as a result of this advice?' So far, all we have heard from the minister is silence.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The New South Wales government, devoid of a moral compass, has allowed our precious, world heritage listed Sydney Opera House to be lit up like a cheap billboard to promote what? To promote racing and gambling. That's what the New South Wales Liberal Nationals have allowed us to do against heritage laws—</para>
<para>Government senators interjecting—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order on my right!</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Bernardi</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's the great moral issue of our time!</para>
<para>The PR ESIDENT: Senator Bernardi, that's not helpful while I'm calling for order on the other side of the chamber. Senator Faruqi, please continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The New South Wales government has allowed our precious, World Heritage listed Sydney Opera House to be lit up like a cheap billboard to promote—what?—racing and gambling. That is what the New South Wales Liberals and Nationals have allowed.</para>
<para>Government senators interjecting—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order, on my right!</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Bernardi</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's the great moral issue of our time!</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Bernardi, that's not helpful while I'm calling for order on the other side of the chamber.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The New South Wales government has allowed the World Heritage listed Opera House to be lit up like a cheap billboard to promote racing and gambling, in complete contravention of state heritage laws and overwhelming community views. There is a powerful nexus of gambling, big business, media and dirty politics in New South Wales. We know that. So, sorry, Jones, sorry, Berejiklian and, sorry, Foley: the house belongs to the people, not to you.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HINCH</name>
    <name.id>2O4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is not granted. The question is that the motion moved by Senator Faruqi be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:04]<br />(The President—Senator Scott Ryan)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>32</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Brown, CL</name>
                <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                <name>Collins, JMA</name>
                <name>Di Natale, R</name>
                <name>Dodson, P</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                <name>Griff, S</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                <name>Hinch, D</name>
                <name>Keneally, KK</name>
                <name>Ketter, CR</name>
                <name>Kitching, K</name>
                <name>Lines, S</name>
                <name>Marshall, GM</name>
                <name>McAllister, J</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                <name>Moore, CM</name>
                <name>O'Neill, DM</name>
                <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                <name>Rice, J</name>
                <name>Siewert, R</name>
                <name>Singh, LM</name>
                <name>Smith, DPB</name>
                <name>Sterle, G</name>
                <name>Storer, TR</name>
                <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>29</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Abetz, E</name>
                <name>Anning, F</name>
                <name>Bernardi, C</name>
                <name>Birmingham, SJ</name>
                <name>Bushby, DC (teller)</name>
                <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                <name>Duniam, J</name>
                <name>Fawcett, DJ</name>
                <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                <name>Fifield, MP</name>
                <name>Georgiou, P</name>
                <name>Gichuhi, LM</name>
                <name>Hanson, P</name>
                <name>Hume, J</name>
                <name>Leyonhjelm, DE</name>
                <name>McGrath, J</name>
                <name>McKenzie, B</name>
                <name>Molan, AJ</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, B</name>
                <name>Paterson, J</name>
                <name>Payne, MA</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                <name>Ruston, A</name>
                <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                <name>Scullion, NG</name>
                <name>Smith, DA</name>
                <name>Stoker, AJ</name>
                <name>Williams, JR</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>7</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names>
                <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                <name>Macdonald, ID</name>
                <name>Cameron, DN</name>
                <name>Seselja, Z</name>
                <name>Farrell, D</name>
                <name>Brockman, S</name>
                <name>Polley, H</name>
                <name>Sinodinos, A</name>
                <name>Steele-John, J</name>
                <name>Cash, MC</name>
                <name>Watt, M</name>
                <name>Martin, S.L</name>
                <name>Wong, P</name>
                <name>Cormann, </name>
              </names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>46</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Postponement</title>
          <page.no>46</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KIM CARR</name>
    <name.id>AW5</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I understand the government published these tables about half an hour ago, so I won't be proceeding with this motion today. I want to make sure I've got the right documents. By leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That general business notice of motion No. 1120 standing in my name for today be postponed till a later hour.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>46</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Suicide</title>
          <page.no>46</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) Australia's suicide rate is a source of anguish and outrage with 3 128 Australians taking their own life in 2017 – this represents 262 more deaths than the previous year, or 9 per cent higher than 2016,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the Australian Bureau of Statistics has released alarming national data that shows intentional self-harm is now ranked the 13th leading cause of death, moving up from 15th position in 2016,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) in 2017, suicide was the leading cause of death among people aged between 15-44 years, and the second leading cause of death among those 45-54 years of age,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) suicide is the 10th leading cause of death for males – the suicide rate among males is more than three times greater than that for females,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) in 2017, there were 165 suicides of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander People, and 162 deaths the year before,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vi) in 2017, suicide remained the leading cause of death of children between 5-17 years of age, with 98 deaths occurring in this age group – this is a 10 per cent increase in deaths from 2016, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vii) in 2017, approximately 80 per cent of intentional self-harm deaths had co­-morbidities mentioned as contributing factors to death – mood disorders, including depression, were the most common mentioned condition with intentional self-harm, followed by drug and alcohol disorders;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) recognises that behind every suicide statistic is a person who is cared for and loved, with family and friends left devastated by their loss;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) supports specialist counselling service Lifeline's urging of the Federal Government to set a national suicide reduction target; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) calls on the Federal Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) set a national target to achieve a 25 per cent suicide reduction over five years, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) appoint a Minister for Mental Health.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government's target for suicide is zero per cent. The idea that 75 per cent, or over 2,200 deaths per year, is acceptable is simply not acceptable to the government. The Minister for Health and the government have elevated mental health to be one of the four fundamental pillars of the long-term National Health Plan. Both the minister and the government regard mental health as inseparable and a central part of the Health portfolio and would regard such a separation as both a downgrade of mental health and a potentially damaging separation of mental health from physical health.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Our thoughts are with those who have lost loved ones to suicide today and every day. Labor adopted the National Mental Health Commission's recommended target to reduce suicide by 50 per cent over 10 years at the 2016 election and has remained committed to that target since. We know that a robust target, backed by real resources from all levels of government, and an effective plan that supports long-term reform is what is needed to drive change. Today, we again call on the government to adopt the National Mental Health Commission's target to reduce suicide by 50 per cent over 10 years. Labor is proud to have had a minister or shadow minister for mental health since 2010, reflecting our dedication to this crucial issue.</para>
<para> </para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">A division having been called and the bells being rung—</inline></para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Is leave granted by the chamber to cancel the division and the call of the motion being carried will stand?</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>47</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Anti-discrimination Laws</title>
          <page.no>47</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HINCH</name>
    <name.id>2O4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to amend general business notice of motion No. 1114 standing in my name by adding the words 'or gender identity' after the words 'sexual orientation' in sections (a)(ii) and (b)(ii).</para>
<para>Leave not granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HINCH</name>
    <name.id>2O4</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move the motion as it stands:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (a) acknowledges:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (i) the recent partial release of the 'Ruddock Report' into religious freedoms in Australia, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (ii) that, in response, both the government and the opposition have now committed to repealing sections of the Sex Discrimination Act 1984, which allow independent schools to sack teachers and expel children on the basis of their sexual orientation; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (b) calls on the Federal Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (i) work with the states and territories to achieve consistency in anti-discrimination laws,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (ii) withhold federal funding to any schools which engage in discrimination against teachers or students on the basis of sexual orientation, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (iii) deny charity tax concessions to any organisation or commission responsible for a school that engages in discrimination.</para></quote>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to amend the motion by adding the words 'or gender identity' to sections (a)(ii) and (b)(ii) of the motion.</para>
<para>Leave not granted.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Ruddock review proposed to strengthen protections for students from discrimination by proposing restrictions to the laws introduced by the previous Labor government which gave religious schools greater ability to expel students where the school considered that was necessary according to the doctrines of their religion. Recent misreporting about this proposal and the current law has created unnecessary confusion and anxiety for parents and students alike. The Prime Minister is taking action to make it clear that no student of a non-state school should be expelled on the basis of their sexuality. The government is currently working on the proposed amendments, and we will consult with the opposition and others to work on a bipartisan basis to provide certainty in this area.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor has offered the government our support in removing exemptions that allow religious schools to discriminate against children and staff on the basis of their sexual orientation and gender identity. However, Labor also respects the rights of religious organisations to run their schools in line with their beliefs and their doctrine, and we will be talking further with schools to ensure that they are able to teach their students according to their religious beliefs while not discriminating against students or staff. Labor does not support the parts of this motion calling for federal funding and charitable status to be withheld from religious schools because of the impacts such punitive measures would have on all students.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Greens support this motion and all of its parts. In particular, we would have supported the addition of 'or gender identity' to 'sexual orientation'. All schools need to be safe for all students regardless of their sexual orientation and regardless of their gender identity. I am appalled that leave was not given in this chamber to allow Senator Hinch to add the words 'or gender identity' to his motion. It shows that there is an extreme level of transphobia in this chamber, which is completely appalling.</para>
<para> </para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that motion No. 1114 be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:15]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>12</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Di Natale, R</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                <name>Griff, S</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                <name>Hinch, D</name>
                <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                <name>Rice, J</name>
                <name>Siewert, R (teller)</name>
                <name>Storer, TR</name>
                <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>47</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Abetz, E</name>
                <name>Anning, F</name>
                <name>Bernardi, C</name>
                <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                <name>Burston, B</name>
                <name>Bushby, DC</name>
                <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                <name>Cash, MC</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                <name>Collins, JMA</name>
                <name>Dodson, P</name>
                <name>Duniam, J</name>
                <name>Fawcett, DJ</name>
                <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                <name>Fifield, MP</name>
                <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                <name>Georgiou, P</name>
                <name>Gichuhi, LM</name>
                <name>Hanson, P</name>
                <name>Hume, J</name>
                <name>Keneally, KK</name>
                <name>Ketter, CR</name>
                <name>Kitching, K</name>
                <name>Leyonhjelm, DE</name>
                <name>Lines, S</name>
                <name>Marshall, GM</name>
                <name>McAllister, J</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                <name>McGrath, J</name>
                <name>Molan, AJ</name>
                <name>Moore, CM</name>
                <name>O'Neill, DM</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, B</name>
                <name>Paterson, J</name>
                <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                <name>Ruston, A</name>
                <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                <name>Singh, LM</name>
                <name>Smith, DA</name>
                <name>Smith, DPB</name>
                <name>Sterle, G</name>
                <name>Stoker, AJ</name>
                <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                <name>Williams, JR</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names></names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Infrastructure</title>
          <page.no>49</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ANNING</name>
    <name.id>273829</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the importance of the agricultural industry for the Queensland and Australian economy,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the need to get water to the drought stricken farmers, to ensure the survival of family farms, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) that water, via irrigation, is the best form of aid that can be given to farmers;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) acknowledges that the Bradfield Scheme, as envisioned by Mr John J.C. Bradfield, would irrigate vast areas west of the Great Dividing Range; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) calls on the Senate to support the construction of the Bradfield Scheme.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Liberal-National government is investing nearly $2.6 billion through the National Water Infrastructure Development Fund and the National Water Infrastructure Loan Facility. These programs accelerate the construction of economically viable water infrastructure that will deliver secure and affordable water, which will underpin the growth of regional economies and build resilience to drought. The Bradfield Scheme requires a high up-front capital cost that, coupled with the ongoing running cost, would make the project unviable.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor oppose this motion because we are yet to see any recent analysis of the scheme. However, Labor not only supports the building of dams where they stack up, unlike the government; Labor have actually built some. On Labor's record on dams: Labor approved the development of Ord stage 2, commenced the process of upgrading Chaffey Dam, funded and opened the headquarters of Milford Dam in Tasmania, commenced construction on the Midlands Water Scheme and continued the Southern Highlands Irrigation Scheme. Labor's commitment to dams in northern Australia include an upgrade to the Burdekin Dam, and we will build the Rookwood Weir. It's clear that Labor has a strong record of delivering dam projects. All the government has is words and false claims.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The drought has been extreme and distressing for thousands of farmers and communities in Queensland, particularly in the central west. But with every Queensland drought comes calls for the Bradfield Scheme to be built—an uneconomic and totally discredited white elephant of a project which is indicative of the problems with irrigated agriculture in northern Australia. Even leaving aside the environmental consequences of these schemes, which are massive, they aren't able to deliver reliable water flows and the costs are astronomical. We suggested instead that Senator Anning should back the development of a proper drought policy and, most importantly, start taking seriously the biggest threat to our agricultural community, which of course is climate change.</para>
<para> </para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that motion No. 1118, moved by Senator Anning, be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:21]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>6</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Anning, F (teller)</name>
                <name>Bernardi, C</name>
                <name>Burston, B</name>
                <name>Georgiou, P</name>
                <name>Hanson, P</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, B</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>48</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Abetz, E</name>
                <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                <name>Bushby, DC</name>
                <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                <name>Cash, MC</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                <name>Collins, JMA</name>
                <name>Di Natale, R</name>
                <name>Dodson, P</name>
                <name>Duniam, J</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                <name>Fifield, MP</name>
                <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                <name>Griff, S</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                <name>Hinch, D</name>
                <name>Hume, J</name>
                <name>Keneally, KK</name>
                <name>Kitching, K</name>
                <name>Leyonhjelm, DE</name>
                <name>Lines, S</name>
                <name>Marshall, GM</name>
                <name>McAllister, J</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                <name>McGrath, J</name>
                <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                <name>Moore, CM</name>
                <name>O'Neill, DM</name>
                <name>Paterson, J</name>
                <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                <name>Rice, J</name>
                <name>Ruston, A</name>
                <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                <name>Siewert, R</name>
                <name>Singh, LM</name>
                <name>Smith, DPB</name>
                <name>Sterle, G</name>
                <name>Stoker, AJ</name>
                <name>Storer, TR</name>
                <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
                <name>Williams, JR</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names></names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Taxation</title>
          <page.no>50</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) a company with a turnover of $50 million a year is not a small business,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) corporate profits hit a record $335 billion, up 10 per cent in a year, while wages are at all time lows of 2 per cent, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) spending $3 billion on more company tax cuts will not reduce economic inequality and low wage growth; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on the Federal Government to instead reinvest that money into lifting Newstart for the first time since 1994, when it was lifted by just $2 a week.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The coalition government fast-tracked laws that will bring in tax cuts five years earlier than planned for more than three million businesses that employ nearly seven million Australians. This will mean more investment, more jobs and higher wages. The coalition government's fast-tracked laws will bring in tax cuts five years earlier.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that motion No. 1119 be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:26]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>9</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Di Natale, R</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                <name>Rice, J</name>
                <name>Siewert, R (teller)</name>
                <name>Storer, TR</name>
                <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>45</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Abetz, E</name>
                <name>Anning, F</name>
                <name>Bernardi, C</name>
                <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                <name>Burston, B</name>
                <name>Bushby, DC</name>
                <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                <name>Collins, JMA</name>
                <name>Dodson, P</name>
                <name>Duniam, J</name>
                <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                <name>Fifield, MP</name>
                <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                <name>Georgiou, P</name>
                <name>Griff, S</name>
                <name>Hanson, P</name>
                <name>Hinch, D</name>
                <name>Hume, J</name>
                <name>Keneally, KK</name>
                <name>Kitching, K</name>
                <name>Leyonhjelm, DE</name>
                <name>Lines, S</name>
                <name>Marshall, GM</name>
                <name>McAllister, J</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                <name>McGrath, J</name>
                <name>Molan, AJ</name>
                <name>Moore, CM</name>
                <name>O'Neill, DM</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, B</name>
                <name>Paterson, J</name>
                <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                <name>Ruston, A</name>
                <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                <name>Singh, LM</name>
                <name>Smith, DA</name>
                <name>Smith, DPB</name>
                <name>Sterle, G</name>
                <name>Stoker, AJ</name>
                <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                <name>Williams, JR</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names></names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Climate Change</title>
          <page.no>51</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) forecasts that warming of 2 degrees above pre-industrial levels will see the death of 100 per cent of coral reefs globally, and that warming of 1.5°C will see 90 per cent of coral reefs die,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) that the IPCC forecasts that warming is likely to reach 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels between 2030 and 2052 if it continues at the current trajectory,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) report, released on 18 September 2018, Impacts of Climate Change on World Heritage Coral Reefs: Update to the First Global Scientific Assessment, which confirms that remaining within 1.5°C climate target is critical for survival of World Heritage-listed coral reefs,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) the statement by the Chair of the Great Barrier Reef Foundation Board during the Brisbane hearing of the inquiry into the Great Barrier Reef 2050 Partnership Program, that "many reefs around the world are classified as in danger, regardless of whether UNESCO has them listed", and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) that 64 000 people rely on jobs supported by the Great Barrier Reef; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on the Federal Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) ban corporate donations to political parties from the fossil fuel industry, an industry which financially benefits from this Government's lack of action on climate change,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) get a climate policy that limits global warming to 1 degrees to protect the Great Barrier Reef and Australians from extreme weather events, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) revoke all federal approvals for the Adani Carmichael mine, and not approve any new coal in Australia.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<para>Th e PRESIDENT: Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Part 20 of the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 establishes a disclosure scheme for political donations that promotes transparency. Australia is committed to meeting our strong and responsible targets under the Paris agreement. We take the health of our Great Barrier Reef seriously. We have made the single largest investment by any Australian government in building the resilience of the reef and have a comprehensive and scalable suite of policies to meet our targets. The Carmichael mine went through a rigorous process by the state and federal governments. Investment certainty and jobs rely on predictability and a consistently implemented regulatory system.</para>
<para> </para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the motion moved by Senator Waters be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [16:30]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>8</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Di Natale, R</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                <name>Rice, J</name>
                <name>Siewert, R (teller)</name>
                <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>45</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Abetz, E</name>
                <name>Anning, F</name>
                <name>Bernardi, C</name>
                <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                <name>Burston, B</name>
                <name>Bushby, DC</name>
                <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                <name>Collins, JMA</name>
                <name>Dodson, P</name>
                <name>Duniam, J</name>
                <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                <name>Fifield, MP</name>
                <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                <name>Georgiou, P</name>
                <name>Griff, S</name>
                <name>Hanson, P</name>
                <name>Hinch, D</name>
                <name>Hume, J</name>
                <name>Keneally, KK</name>
                <name>Kitching, K</name>
                <name>Leyonhjelm, DE</name>
                <name>Lines, S</name>
                <name>Marshall, GM</name>
                <name>McAllister, J</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                <name>McGrath, J</name>
                <name>Molan, AJ</name>
                <name>Moore, CM</name>
                <name>Paterson, J</name>
                <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                <name>Ruston, A</name>
                <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                <name>Singh, LM</name>
                <name>Smith, DA</name>
                <name>Smith, DPB</name>
                <name>Sterle, G</name>
                <name>Stoker, AJ</name>
                <name>Storer, TR</name>
                <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                <name>Watt, M</name>
                <name>Williams, JR</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names></names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Invictus Games</title>
          <page.no>52</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BERNARDI</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to amend general business notice of motion No. 1107 standing in my name for today relating to the Invictus Games. The terms have been circulated in the chamber.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BERNARDI</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to add the name of Senator Dean Smith to this motion.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BERNARDI</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I, and also on behalf of Senator Dean Smith, move the motion as amended:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (a) welcomes His Royal Highness, Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex, and Her Royal Highness, Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, to Australia;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (b) commends His Royal Highness for his initiative in creating the Invictus Games, and the royal couple for their support for injured veterans;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (c) wishes all competitors from 18 nations well in their participation in the 4th Invictus Games in Sydney from 20 to 27 October 2018; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (d) congratulates the Duke and Duchess, and Kensington Palace, on the announcement of the expectancy of their first child.</para></quote>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Greens will be supporting this motion, as we wholeheartedly support the mission of the Invictus Games, an international sporting event for wounded, injured and ill veterans and active service personnel which highlights the power of sport to inspire recovery, support rehabilitation and generate a wider understanding of and respect for those who serve their country.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>I'd also like to put on record and note the concerns of IPAN, the Independent and Peaceful Australia Network, and their statement today that they also support the Invictus Games and wholeheartedly support the mission but are very concerned that seven of the world's biggest weapons and arms manufacturers are corporate sponsors of this event. This, they believe, is a cynical attempt to use the games to build a social licence to operate through sponsorship by these companies. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUDGET</title>
        <page.no>53</page.no>
        <type>BUDGET</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Consideration by Estimates Committees</title>
          <page.no>53</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that on 14 August 2018 the Senate agreed to order the Commissioner of Taxation to provide to the Economics Legislation Committee information for the financial years 2000-2001 to 2012-2013 regarding which financial sector entities:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) did not lodge tax returns during that period, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) did not report nil tax payable during that period;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) further notes that in response to the order agreed to on 14 August 2018, the Commissioner of Taxation sought to clarify the scope of the proposed order as to avoid an unreasonable diversion of resources while still achieving the objectives of the order; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) orders the Commissioner of Taxation to provide to the Economics Legislation Committee, in relation to designated financial entities for the financial years from the year ended 30 June 2001 (or substituted accounting period) to the year ended 30 June 2016 (or substituted accounting period) inclusive:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the combined designated information for an entire category of designated APRA regulated entities, by no later than 18 October 2018, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the designated information provided for individual taxpayers, by no later than 29 November 2018.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) That for the purposes of this order:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) 'designated APRA regulated entity' means an entity that either was:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) disclosed on the APRA website as at 15 August 2018, or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) not currently disclosed, but registered historically (as at July 2013, July 2008 or July 2003), and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">was listed under at least one of the following categories:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) authorised deposit-taking institutions under any of the following categories:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(A) Australian-owned banks,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(B) foreign subsidiary banks,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(C) branches of foreign banks,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) general insurance entities authorised to conduct new or renewal insurance business,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) life insurance entities,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vi) friendly societies,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vii) registrable superannuation entities designated as public offer funds,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (viii) non-operating holding companies;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) 'designated financial entity' means a financial entity that has reported total business income of greater than or equal to $100 million in at least one of the financial years from 30 June 2001 to 30 June 2016 and is either:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) a designated APRA regulated entity that is required to lodge a tax return in its own right as it is not a member of a tax consolidated group or multiple entry consolidated (MEC) group, or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the head entity of the tax consolidation group or provisional head entity of the MEC group, of which the designated APRA regulated entity is a member, where the head entity lodges a single income tax return on behalf of the group, including that entity; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) 'designated information' means information indicating if a designated financial entity has:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) lodged a corporate income tax return more than six months after the original due date for one or more of the financial years from 30 June 2001 to 30 June 2016, or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) as at 15 August 2018, not yet lodged a corporate income tax return for one or more of the financial years from 30 June 2001 to 30 June 2016.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>54</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Cancer Funding</title>
          <page.no>54</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Government Response to Report</title>
            <page.no>54</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BILYK</name>
    <name.id>HZB</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I ask that the name of Senator Griff be added as a sponsor of general business notice of motion No. 1110. I, and also on behalf of Senator Griff, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) cancers with low survival rates (LSR cancers) make up around 20 per cent of the incidence of all cancers in Australia, yet account for around 50 per cent of cancer deaths,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) on 28 November 2017, the Select Committee into Funding for Research into Cancers with Low Survival Rates tabled its report, and made 25 recommendations for improving the survival rates of LSR cancers,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) in accordance with the three-month deadline for government responses to committee reports, the Government's response to this select committee report is almost eight months overdue, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) patients with LSR cancers, their families and carers are desperate for some hope that serious action will be taken to improve their chances of survival; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) demands that the Government table its well-overdue response to the report of the Select Committee into Funding for Research into Cancers with Low Survival Rates.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government is currently working with a range of stakeholders and expects to table a response by the end of the month. Consideration of the recommendations has not stopped the government from investing in research for these types of cancers. Minister Hunt recently announced $10 million to support six clinical trials for cancers and disease that have a low survival rate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>54</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Community Development Program</title>
          <page.no>54</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>54</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That there be laid on the table by the Minister for Indigenous Affairs, by 10 am on 18 October 2018, the final evaluation reports of the Community Development Program.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>54</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Silicosis</title>
          <page.no>54</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) since September 2018, more than 20 cases of advanced silicosis have been found in Queensland,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) at present, there is no known treatment that can arrest the progress of this disease, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) previous attempts have been made to raise this issue with the Government, but that they have not taken action on it; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on the Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) fund respiratory health assessments of all workers (past and present) in the industry,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) conduct an urgent review of the dust control measures used in the industry, including independent monitoring of dust levels,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) conduct comprehensive enforcement of hazardous substances regulations related to silica dust exposure,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) enforce an immediate prohibition on dry cutting techniques, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) establish a national occupationally-acquired respiratory disease surveillance and registry program.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Safe Work Australia, which is a tripartite body including the states and territories, is actively working to better raise awareness of the duties and control measures for eliminating and minimising respirable silica dust in the workplace. The motion follows the urgent reference that the government made to Safe Work Australia, which received support from the states last Friday at the COAG Health Council meeting in Adelaide.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>55</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Discrimination Free Schools Bill 2018</title>
          <page.no>55</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.text>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Discrimination Free Schools Bill 2018</span>
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          </body>
        </subdebate.text><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>55</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following bill be introduced: A Bill for an Act to amend the law relating to discrimination in educational institutions, and for related purposes.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the bill and move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>55</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>DI NATALE (—) (): I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to table an explanatory memorandum relating to the bill.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I table an explanatory memorandum, and I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">It's unacceptable in 2018, a year after we came together to expand the rights of all Australians to marry the person they love, that religious schools in some states are still able to discriminate against students and teachers on the basis of their sexual orientation or gender identification.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Our schools should be safe and welcoming places for all of us, regardless of your sexuality or gender identity. If you're a student or a teacher or a support worker at a religious school, you shouldn't face being expelled or fired just for coming out as gay or transgender.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That is why today, we are moving a bill to amend the Sex Discrimination Act to bar religious schools from discriminating against students, teachers and other employees on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identification.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This would mean that teachers and contractors can't be sacked simply because of their gender identity or the person they're attracted to. It would mean that schools can't expel their students simply because of their sexual orientation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Religion plays an important role in the lives of so many Australians and the role of religion in society is indeed a dynamic one. Religion promotes welfare and teaches us to 'love thy neighbour'. Churches, mosques, synagogues, temples—they serve not only as places of worship, but also as places of social gathering and spiritual enlightenment.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Religion provides solace for so many during their darkest days, and it can provide a level of unimaginable peace and joy for millions of Australians. Religion is a deeply personal endeavour, and the Greens believe that the right to freedom of religion should be protected in this country.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">However, it must be acknowledged that not all human rights are absolute. We need laws that protect our right to hold a religion, but limit the so-called right to discriminate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Indeed, there are already provisions under the Sex Discrimination Act for religious institutions to act in a manner that is consistent with the teachings of their faith. This includes the "ordination of Priests, Ministers of Religion or members of any other religious order". So there are already clear provisions in the Act which protect the rights of these institutions, however what's been unclear in the past is when a religious institution crosses over into the territory of providing an essential service.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Take aged care for example. This matter has already been resolved under the Act, and prohibits aged care providers, which have religious ties and receive Government funding, to discriminate based gender identity or sexual orientation. And why is that? Because it's recognised that aged care providers deliver an essential service to the Australian community, and while the religious doctrine may be relevant, it is not central.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We believe the same understanding should be afforded to our schools. Yes, the religious doctrine may be relevant to many aspects of an educational institution. But this is not the sole purpose for the existence of the institution. Its sole purpose of existing is to educate to next generation of young people.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Ruddock review into Freedom of Religion has been a shamble to say the least. While the report was handed down in May of this year, we are still yet to receive the findings. Indeed, the media have received a copy before the Parliament has.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We know, through these leaks to the media, that the review recommends that religious schools have the 'seal of approval' to discriminate against LGBTIQ students. Provided they make their policies known, discrimination is fair game.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government knows that the majority of the community won't stand for this. They definitely know that the voters in Wentworth won't stand for it. And rather than rip off the bandaid, they've decided to delay the release of this report, and by doing so cause unnecessary pain for so many people in our community. Indeed the commentary that we have seen on this in the past week by some has been truly horrifying, and I will not be giving any oxygen to those vile, disgusting beliefs in this chamber.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The refusal of the Government to release the Ruddock Report is just another example of the Liberal Government acting in its own self interests, rather than in the interests of the people who elected them there in the first place.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Prime Minister came out and said that he doesn't support religious schools being able to expel students based on their sexuality. The Leader of the Opposition also came out and said that he'll work to ensure that no child is denied human dignity. Well today, I say to Mr Morrison and I say to Mr Shorten, now is your chance. Now is your chance to put your money where your mouth is and do what you were elected to do. Rather than just say that you are in opposition to this giant leap back to the 1950's you need to show some leadership and act on it. No more excuses. No more delays.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I want to share with you the experience of one man coming out, because I think it illustrates what is a common experience for so many young people. He came out to his parents when he was 21 years old and it took moving out of his home town and having a few years of slowly letting people know before he could truly come out.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">He says that he grew up feeling different to the people around him as he realised he was more interested in guys than in girls. He thought he could hide that part of himself. He wouldn't drink much at parties because he feared that he might somehow betray the image he had concocted, and in high school, he joined the students who were hostile to openly queer students - something he deeply regrets to this day.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">He only began feeling comfortable with his sexuality when he realised that he could be open about this, and still be loved by the people around him. He slowly came out to those close to him. First his best friend, then his sister. And then slowly but surely he began living a life that reaffirmed that he didn't need to change, that he belonged.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Right now, there are thousands of children around Australia going through the exact same thing. Right now they are struggling with their sexual and gender identity, in a culture that tells them they are somehow 'different'. And right now, during probably the most vulnerable stages of their lives, our religious schools have the ability to expel a student going through this same experience, rather than providing them with the safe, supportive environment that our schools should be.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These laws. These debates. These attacks. They hurt. They cause harm. They cost people their lives.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Greens support the right of people to practice religion, but that should not come at the expense of the human rights of LGBTIQ people. Our laws should protect LGBTIQ people from discrimination, not enshrine the right to discriminate against them. That is why the Greens have called for a Charter of Rights, and we'll continue to do so.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Australia is exceptional. Indeed, we stand alone in being the only democracy without some form of national human rights act or bill of rights incorporating protection of freedom of religion. And until we do so we'll continue to have debates like this. And we'll continue to cause harm. And we'll continue to sit in this chamber, week in and week out and not do what it is we were elected to do, and that is to represent the rights of all Australians. Because right now, with the current exemptions in our laws, how on earth can we say we are.</para></quote>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DI NATALE</name>
    <name.id>53369</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
<para> </para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>57</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Religious Freedom Review Expert Panel</title>
          <page.no>57</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>57</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that the Government has repeatedly claimed public interest immunity in response to the orders of the Senate of 19 September and 20 September 2018 for the production of a document, namely, the final report of the Religious Freedom Review Expert Panel;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) further notes that, despite these claims of public interest immunity, significant portions of the final report have been leaked to the media, including its recommendations;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) in light of the leaking of significant portions of the document, is of the view that there can be no legitimate claim that the public interest is served by withholding the balance of the document;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) insists that there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Prime Minister, by no later than 7pm on 16 October 2018, the final report of the Religious Freedom Review Expert Panel; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) orders that, if the final report is not tabled by the specified time, then:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the Minister be required to attend the Senate on Wednesday, 17 October 2018, before government business is called on, to explain why the minister has not complied with this order for the production of a document,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) at the conclusion of the minister's explanation, any senator may, without notice, move a motion to take note of the minister's explanation, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) any senator may speak to any motion moved under subparagraph (e) (ii) for not more than 10 minutes, and the motion may be debated for no longer than 2 hours and shall have precedence over all government business until determined.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CHISHOLM</name>
    <name.id>39801</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor is disappointed the Prime Minister has been hiding the report of the Ruddock review, which the government has been sitting on for almost five months now. The refusal of the Morrison government to release the Ruddock review raises questions about what this government is trying to hide from the Australian people and prevents the voters of Wentworth from being fully apprised of the facts before making their decision on how they vote this Saturday.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>57</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Anti-Semitism</title>
          <page.no>57</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I ask that general business notice of motion No. 1109 standing in my name for today relating to anti-Semitism be taken as a formal motion.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Is there any objection to this motion being taken as formal? There is an objection to this motion being taken as formal. Formality has been denied.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>In lieu of suspending standing orders, I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>This motion was to actually define anti-Semitism, as it is by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, as a certain perception of Jews which may be expressed as:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism … directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.</para></quote>
<para>This has been introduced into the UK and it's a shame that people here won't support this motion today. The Jewish community will be absolutely gobsmacked that you have not supported them in this. They have been asking for this to be introduced and you have not done it. So you can answer to the Jewish community.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>In 2013, every federal coalition parliamentarian signed the London declaration. The declaration calls upon governments, parliaments, international institutions, NGOs and civil society to affirm democratic and human values, build societies based on respect and citizenship, and combat any manifestation of anti-Semitism or discrimination. The London declaration endorses the European Union monitoring mission's working definition of anti-Semitism, which is the predecessor to the working definition of anti-Semitism adopted in May 2016 by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, an international organisation of 31 democratic countries, that is set out in this motion. The government completely condemns anti-Semitism.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Treaties</title>
          <page.no>58</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ANNING</name>
    <name.id>273829</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I ask that general business notice of motion No. 1117 standing in my name for today relating to a review of treaties be taken as a formal motion.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Is there any objection to this motion being taken as formal? There is. Formality has been denied.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Khashoggi, Mr Jamal</title>
          <page.no>58</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I ask that general business notice of motion No. 1122 standing in my name and the names of Senator Patrick and Senator Bernardi for today, relating to the journalist Jamal Khashoggi, be taken as a formal motion.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Is there any objection to this motion being taken as formal? There is. Formality has been denied.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>In lieu of suspending standing orders, I seek the chamber's permission for a two-minute statement.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for two minutes.</para>
<para> </para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On 2 October Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi went into the Saudi Arabian embassy in Turkey seeking some documents so he could get a divorce and remarry. He was never to return. It was confirmed today that he had been murdered. Indeed, reports are that he was tortured, murdered and dismembered by members of the Saudi regime. Incidentally, today is the 43rd anniversary of the murder of the Balibo Five—five journalists killed by a government for doing their job. Jamal Khashoggi was a critic of the Saudi regime and he was murdered for also doing his job.</para>
<para>This motion today is about many things but it is mostly about press freedom. It's about how journalism is not a crime. It's about governments using their power seemingly with impunity. Next week, there's an event in Saudi Arabia called Davos in the Desert, an investment summit. Last year, we sent our trade minister. I understand this year Austrade, DFAT and an Australian diplomat will be attending. This motion is calling on the Senate to ask the government to boycott this event, as corporations are right around the world and as other governments are considering doing. This is the least we could do. I would like to have taken this motion a lot further. I would like to have called on the government to ban all arms and weapons sales to a regime like Saudi Arabia. I and the Greens stood up in this place when Saudi Arabia bombed a school bus that killed 55 children. It's time we took this issue seriously. This is a significant opportunity. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>58</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Presentation</title>
          <page.no>58</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I give notice that, on the next day of sitting, I shall move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) that there are currently around 100 children being detained by the Australian Government on Nauru,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) that many, if not all of these children, are suffering serious psychological disorders, such as 'resignation syndrome', where children abandon all hopes of a better life, and become suicidal,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) that the Australian Medical Association has called on the Government for "urgent action to prevent further harm to the health and welfare of child refugees and asylum seekers on Nauru, [and that] these children and their families be removed from harm and have access to healthcare of an appropriate standard",</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) that nearly 6 000 doctors have signed an open letter to the Prime Minister, Mr Morrison, supporting this call from the Australian Medical Association,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) Mr Broadbent's statement that "This is an embarrassing humanitarian crisis that the government needs to resolve in a manner acceptable to the Australian people",</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vi) Mr Laundy's statement that "something must be done as soon as possible",</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vii) Ms Banks' statement that this change-of-heart "comes from the hearts and minds of the Australian people", and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (viii) the agreement of these three Liberal MPs that "these kids have been there far too long";</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) congratulates and thanks the brave Liberal members who told the Government their focus is only on the welfare of the children; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) calls on the Federal Government to immediately bring every child in detention on Nauru to Australia for urgent medical and psychological assessment and treatment, along with the family members of children being assessed and treated. (<inline font-style="italic">general business notice of motion no. 1145</inline>)</para></quote>
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          <title>Presentation</title>
          <page.no>59</page.no>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>64</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Khashoggi, Mr Jamal</title>
          <page.no>64</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I wish to make a short statement in relation to the motion moved by me, Senator Bernardi and Senator Whish-Wilson.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The motion wasn't moved because formality was denied, but you can seek leave to make a statement on any matter you wish. Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I just want to point out that the motion that was moved was a very reasonable and measured motion in response to something that was quite horrific. We've had a journalist basically murdered for doing their job. We need to stand up very firmly in support of any journalist who gets treated in that manner. It's abhorrent. As an alternative, I would invite the government, and in particular the Minister for Foreign Affairs, to make a statement to this chamber, perhaps in similar terms to statements made by France, the US, the UK and the UN. I ask that the government consider that request.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESID</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>In line with the government's longstanding view, motions that cannot be debated or amended should not be dealt with in this chamber, particularly as they relate to complex foreign policy matters. The Australian government have expressed our concerns and note the statements of the US and the UK and many other nations in expressing concerns at the disappearance of Mr Khashoggi. There is a joint Turkish-Saudi investigation into the disappearance, and we call on all parties to the investigation to act transparently and in good faith and to cooperate fully. Australia's views on this matter have been made clear to the Saudi officials through formal channels.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MATTERS OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE</title>
        <page.no>64</page.no>
        <type>MATTERS OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Economy</title>
          <page.no>64</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I inform the Senate that at 8.30 am eight proposals were received in accordance with standing order 75. The question of which proposal would be submitted to the Senate was determined by lot. As a result, I inform the Senate that the following letter has been received from Senator Siewert:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Pursuant to standing order 75, I propose that the following matter of public importance be submitted to the Senate for discussion:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The only solutions that the Liberal and Labor parties have to inequality and wage stagnation come straight from the neoliberal handbook, like ever-increasing company tax cuts and free trade deals that hurt workers.</para></quote>
<para>Is the proposal supported?</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">More than the number of senators required by the standing orders having risen in their places—</inline></para>
<para> </para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I understand that informal arrangements have been made to allocate specific times to each of the speakers in today's debate. With the concurrence of the Senate, I shall ask the clerks to set the clock accordingly.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on the matter in the letter that, in fact, I put in for this matter of public importance. This week is Anti-Poverty Week. We've heard overwhelming evidence of the level of poverty in this country. But before I articulate that evidence I'd like to go to this notion of inequality in this country.</para>
<para>Just recently, the Productivity Commission released a report that has, in fact, been widely misinterpreted—some unkind people would perhaps say misquoted—in terms of what it does and doesn't say about inequality in this country. Some in the media have used it to say that inequality in this country isn't an issue. But, if you bother to look into the detail of the report, you will see that it talks about the fact that, despite all those years of economic growth, we have not seen a decrease in the number of people living in poverty. We also see that some of the facts in there are being misquoted and glossed over to misinterpret the level of inequality that does exist. I will come back to some of those issues shortly. But, of course, what goes hand in hand with inequality is poverty, and, given that this is Anti-Poverty Week, I thought it was important that we look at some of the issues and facts around poverty in this country.</para>
<para>ACOSS has just released its latest report and, in fact, Dr Cassandra Goldie was down in the Press Club today talking about the report that they have just released, giving us an up-to-date picture of poverty in this country. The report was done by ACOSS and the University of New South Wales. It points out that Australia is rated as the second-wealthiest country in the world but we still have over three million people living below the poverty line, including 739,000 children. It finds that those experiencing poverty at the highest rates are those on youth allowance, at 64 per cent, and Newstart, at 55 per cent. The poverty rate for people on Newstart has risen by 17 per cent in the last 16 years. The highest 20 per cent of income earners are receiving more than the lowest 60 per cent combined. I'll repeat that: the highest 20 per cent of income earners are earning more than the lowest 60 per cent combined.</para>
<para>Most people below the poverty line, 53 per cent, rely on the social security system as their main source of income. We're seeing that the poverty rate for sole parents has risen from 35 per cent in 2013 to 59 per cent in 2015, which is a large increase of 24 per cent in just two years. I'd like to give some context to that figure. In 2006, the Howard government started moving sole parents from parenting payment to Newstart once their youngest child turned six. People who were here in this place at the time will remember that the Greens spoke long and hard, and voted, against that measure, and I have been pursuing it ever since. At the time, the parents who were on parenting payment single were grandfathered. In other words, they weren't shifted over to Newstart. But, in 2013, 80,000 sole parents—the previous group that were grandfathered—were moved by the Gillard government off parenting payment single and onto Newstart.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Can you see the correlation with the very steep increase in the number of sole parents living in poverty by 2015? It was a 24 per cent increase, because those grandfathered single sole parents were moved off parenting payment single to Newstart in one fell swoop, sending those people into poverty—hence my claim that both the opposition and the government have neoliberal policies that drive people into poverty and increase inequality. Foodbank released their latest report on their work on Sunday, and they found that there had been a three per cent increase in the number of people experiencing food inequality. To put some figures on that, that's four million people in the last 12 months experiencing food insecurity, and the most common cause of that was low income.</para>
<para>In my remaining time I want to address this issue of inequality and the misinterpretation of the Productivity Commission report. The report clearly demonstrated that people are living in poverty, that there is inequality. If you look at the detail in the Productivity Commission report, the 'damned statistics' can actually be misleading, showing that all income quintiles are supposed to have increased. But if you actually drill down and look at what happened particularly in those lowest levels of income, where it is claimed that inequality was reduced, it was for age pensioners. That's because the Rudd government, after a concerted campaign by the Greens to increase the age pension, did increase the age pension, which basically instantaneously lifted the income of age pensioners and addressed some of those issues around inequality. But that masks the rest of the people who are stuck on income support payments that leave them below the poverty line, such as those on youth allowance and Newstart, neither of which have had an increase since 1994. Those people are still living in poverty. It increases inequality for those people because they have not had that increase.</para>
<para>So it shows that government intervention can impact very significantly on income support payments. The mistruth that the government speaks—that people on Newstart don't need an increase because the Productivity Commission said that inequality's not such an issue—are wrong: a significant increase in Newstart of $75 a week will significantly impact on people living in poverty and inequality and will start addressing that issue. Look at that report. Read the details of the report. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have a confession to make: I am a neoliberal. I don't have the handbook; it's just something I learnt with my parents: to believe in freedom, to believe in cutting taxes and to believe in free trade. But, if there is a handbook, I would love the Greens to be able to perhaps use their communications allowance to buy copies of this neoliberal handbook, read through it themselves and understand that free trade and cutting taxes are good for Australia and good for people. If you want to get people out of poverty, if you want to diminish inequality in society, the best thing to do is give people a job. And how do people get a job? They get a job through business. Governments don't create jobs; they create the environment for business to employ people. And this government, more than any government in the history of Australia, since our election in 2013 has created jobs—over one million jobs for people who have been employed by big, medium and small businesses. If you want business to grow, if you want Australia to grow and if you want to have a strong social safety net for Australia then you must have a strong business community.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>For the Greens to come in here and talk about the welfare of Australian workers and the welfare of Australians is absolute hypocrisy, because the greatest threat to the Australian economy and our ability to look after those who need help comes from those on the Left, those who want to tax more and those who want to stop free trade agreements. We've got the Greens, with their support for crippling renewable energy targets that have helped push up the price of electricity in this country and brutalise businesses. If can ask a member of the Greens, 'What is the greatest impost upon businesses in Australia today?' they will say, 'The price of electricity,' and then they'll say, 'Taxes.' This government is cutting taxes and dealing with the price of electricity in Australia.</para>
<para>I want to focus on tax cuts, because I think that tax cuts are good. I think that tax cuts are brilliant. The more taxes we can cut, the happier everybody in Australia will be. The more free trade agreements we can have, the happier everybody in Australia will be. The sad thing is that tax cuts and free trade agreements—two quite simple concepts—are concepts that both the Labor Party and the Greens have trouble understanding. How many free trade agreements were enacted while Labor were last in power, between 2007 and 2013? It's pretty simple, for those listening at home, sitting on your tractor or on the back verandah having a cheeky cup of tea: zero free trade agreements. It's this government, since 2013, that has been pushing strongly for free trade agreements.</para>
<para>Let's just focus on tax cuts. Let's just focus on our long-term economic plan to cut taxes for Australian businesses. Why do we want to do that? It's for those who run those small and medium businesses, those mums and dads, those people who want to give it a go and those people who see that empty shop in a shopping centre or on the main street—where my office is in Nambour it's Currie Street—and say: 'I want to start a business there. I have a dream to start a business there, just like so many other people have done.' Every medium business and every large business in Australia started off with someone's dream: someone looking at an empty shop space, someone starting off in their garage and someone in their lounge room or at their dining room table late at night working out how to get people to pay their bills, sending out invoices. What we want to do for those aspirational people who want to get ahead is cut their taxes. That is a good thing.</para>
<para>I note, for those listening at home, that none of the Greens are here. There is an empty space over there. It's the most intelligent those benches have looked for a long time, with no Greens sitting there. It's a pity. I hope they're watching on the TVs in their offices and learning why the mum-and-dad businesses—or the mum businesses or dad businesses; whatever it is; I don't care—want tax cuts. Why do they want tax cuts? It's so that they can reinvest back into their businesses, so they can grow their businesses and so they can employ more staff. Do you know where the staff come from? They come from other businesses, school leavers, people leaving university or people who have been out of work, who've been unemployed, which is why this government has facilitated the conditions for businesses to employ over one million Australians since 2013. That's an additional one million Australians.</para>
<para>If a business makes half a million dollars in turnover, it will have an additional $7,500 in 2021 or $12,000 in 2021-22. That will be invested back into businesses and back into employing more people. That is good for Australia. If people have jobs, they are better off. This Greens motion is about inequality and getting people out of poverty. The best way to get anyone out of poverty—or to diminish inequality where it exists—is to have them get a job, because once they get a job they're earning money. They then understand the importance of money and they understand how they can start a business themselves. They can see how their bosses operate and go, 'I want to start my own business.'</para>
<para>What we want to do through our neoliberal agenda—this scary neoliberal agenda that those on the left talk about like it's the bogeyman but don't really understand—is make it easier for people to get on with their lives without a heavy-handed government coming in, bossing people around and telling them what to do. We think, if you have tax cuts, you know what's best to do with your own money. Whether you're a PAYE taxpayer, a small-business person or a medium-business person, the money you get back is actually your money. It's not the government's money and it's not the politicians' money; it's your money.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>This is one of the fallacies of this argument in Australia when people talk about giving money to business or to PAYE taxpayers. It's not giving money. It's their money. It's their money that they give to the government to fund services. And what we say on our side of politics is that government is at its best when it's small—to enable people to get on with their lives, to get on with making those decisions without government bossing them around. We've finished seven free trade agreements since 2013. That's pretty good. Compare that to Labor. Between 2007 and 2013, they didn't do anything. They were asleep at the wheel. When Labor and the Greens were in power, they were having a good old doze at the wheel when it came to free trade agreements. That is because we understand that, if Australia is to grow and if our economy is to grow, we cannot just trade amongst ourselves. That is a false economic argument. We've got to get out there and sell our goods and our services to the world. And the best way to do that is through free trade agreements.</para>
<para>Five years ago, only 26 per cent of our goods and services received duty-free or preferential access to overseas markets. After completing a range of negotiations, we have now signed agreements with countries that account for nearly 70 per cent of our trade, with current negotiations potentially taking that figure up to 88 per cent. So we're going to keep working hard for those farmers and those businesses to make sure that we get the conclusion of more free trade agreements. Why is this important? Because each new overseas market opportunity we open up for Australian businesses is a chance to grow. That is good for Australian families and workers and good for the economy.</para>
<para>In 2017-18, we achieved record exports of $401 billion and our global trade surplus was $6.3 billion. We know that Australian businesses that export pay their employees, on average, 11.5 per cent more than businesses that do not export. And household incomes are estimated to be $8,448 higher due to the trade liberalisation taken in Australia since the 1980s. For example, our agreement with the United States has served us well by enabling cheaper inputs to be imported into Australia to feed our high export growth to countries like China, Japan and Korea. This free trade agreement, recognised by the United States as a model free trade agreement, allows the Liberal-National government to secure the only country exemption from recent US tariffs on steel and aluminium.</para>
<para>Let's talk about the TPP-11, those five letters that send the left into spasms. They're so scared about this. This will eliminate more than 98 per cent of tariffs for 11 countries with a combined GDP of $13.8 trillion and close to 500 million consumers. Australian farmers, manufacturers, service providers, small businesses and exporters and small businesses are all winners from the TPP-11 because it will be easier to sell their goods and supply services to a free trade area that spans America and Asia.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CAMERON</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm pleased to be able to contribute to this matter of public importance. Every now and again, it would be really nice if the Greens would actually come together with the Labor Party and attack the reality of this coalition government, who are about ensuring more and more inequality. It would be really good if you could once in a while actually focus on the Liberal and National parties for the damage that they are doing, instead of roping us in—the Labor Party—as being exactly the same as the Liberal Party. The Greens know that's not the case. But the Greens have a view that the enemy, to them, is the Labor Party. I've got a lot of respect for Senator Siewert. I looked at this resolution where she says that the only solution the Liberal and Labor parties have to inequality and wage stagnation comes straight from the neoliberal handbook—like ever-increasing company tax cuts and free trade deals that hurt workers.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>I wasn't surprised that Senator Siewert didn't go there. She actually dealt with issues of inequality. I really can't understand why the Greens, at every chance they get, attack the Labor Party, who are in there arguing for penalty rates to be given back, who are arguing to ensure we have a decent health system and a decent education system and who are making sure big business pay their proper amount of tax.</para>
<para>But let's have a look at the Greens' record over a period of time. They did a dodgy deal with the Liberal Party to give Tony Abbott of all people—former Prime Minister Abbott—a massive victory in voting down the CPRS. We could have had 10 years of dealing with carbon pollution in this country if not for the purity and the inability of the Greens to actually focus on a long-term position, rather than take cheap shots at the Labor Party. We could have been making a big difference right now. The Greens teamed up with the Liberal Party to do a backdoor deal to cut the pensions of 370,000 Australians. That did a lot for poverty alleviation in the country! They teamed up with the Liberals to water down the tax transparency bill. Imagine the Greens teaming up with the Liberals to make how tax is paid in this country less transparent!</para>
<para>I had a long working relationship with former senator Lee Rhiannon. What happened when former senator Lee Rhiannon stood up for public schools? She was expelled from the Greens' party room. That was a great service to inequality in this country! That was fantastic! And then you look at Senator Peter Whish-Wilson. One of the big issues facing workers now is cuts to penalty rates, and Senator Peter Whish-Wilson believed that the Greens could double their vote by courting small business. And he backed a 'bigger national discussion' about weekend penalty rates, suggesting they are outdated. Then he said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I think it's just a white Anglo-Saxon cultural thing that we've inherited.</para></quote>
<para>Penalty rates, to just remind the Greens, put food on the table of working families in this country. Penalty rates were absolutely essential for me as a blue-collar worker. I could never have survived without penalty rates when I first came to this country. I needed penalty rates to take my kids on holiday every now and again. I didn't go on holiday every year—I couldn't afford it—but my penalty rates gave me an opportunity to take my two kids on a holiday now and again. My penalty rates made sure I could pay my mortgage. My penalty rates made sure I could pay my rent when I didn't own a house. And yet Greens Senator Peter Whish-Wilson wanted a 'bigger national discussion' about penalty rates, saying they were an 'Anglo-Saxon cultural thing that we'd inherited'. No. Let me tell the Greens that penalty rates were actually about putting food on the table of working-class Australians.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>I'm not surprised that some of the Greens have got no idea about penalty rates, never having had to actually depend on them and representing some of the richest Australians in the country. That's fine; I don't have a problem with that. But don't attack working-class people because you don't understand how working-class people survive in this country.</para>
<para>Instead of drafting resolutions like this, why don't you come to the Labor Party and say: 'We want to do something about neoliberalism. We want to do something about ensuring that inequality is dealt with in this country'? Instead of pulling stunts like this attacking the Labor Party, when we've got a rabble of a government in this country that day in, day out demonstrate how out of touch they are, why don't you attack the Liberal-National Party now and again instead of constantly tying Labor in with the Liberals and the Nationals? It's an absolute joke. We know why it is. It's because the Greens see Labor as their competitors. The Greens see Labor as their opponents. They don't see the Liberal-National Party as the people who are destroying decent wages and conditions in this country. They don't target the Liberal-National Party on these issues. They attack Labor. It's an absolute nonsense.</para>
<para>Let me just turn to Senator McGrath's contribution and this idea that the best thing for people in this country is tax cuts and free trade agreements. Maybe we'll hear from the Greens' contributors on this when they have an opportunity. Give us a break. 'Free trade agreements and tax cuts will resolve poverty in this country' is the argument you hear all the time from across the chamber—the argument that 'the best form of welfare is a job'. There are not enough jobs in this country to give a job to everyone who needs a job. That's the reality. You've only got to look at some of the National Party seats in this country to see the poverty there. Why people continually vote for the National Party has got me beat, when the National Party attack their social security payments, attack pensions, attack welfare, attack provisions for women who find themselves in domestic violence situations and have nowhere to go, and take $44 million a year out of support for temporary accommodation for women in crisis.</para>
<para>How about attacking those over there instead of drafting a stupid resolution like this? You could have easily come to us and we could have been on a unity ticket on the issue of inequality. Labor has never had a better raft of policies across the board to deal with inequality. I'm proud to be a member of the Labor Party.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It may be that Labor has never had better policies on inequality, but, as Senator Cameron well knows, that's because they've pinched them all from us and then watered them down. I agree with senior political commentators in this country who say that, if you want know to know what Labor's policy is going to be in five or 10 years time, have a look at what the Australian Greens' policy is now. I'm actually quite fond of Senator Cameron—and that's a dangerous thing to say on the public record—but it's fair to say that that was one of the worst contributions I've heard him make in this place. At the top of that contribution, Senator Cameron attacked the Australian Greens for fixating on the Australian Labor Party and for having a crack at the ALP, and then he spent 95 per cent of the rest of his speech having a crack at the Australian Greens. So, tick one in the box for hypocrisy, Senator Cameron.</para>
<para>The second point I would make to Senator Cameron and his colleagues is: aren't they a bit touchy on the TPP? Of course, the reason Senator Cameron is touchy on the TPP is that he was comprehensively rolled inside Labor's caucus. He personally doesn't support the TPP, but do you know what he's going to do?</para>
<para> </para>
<para>He's going do what Labor people always do, put aside their principles in a convenient place to pick up later when they've ended up their political careers, and he's going come in here and vote for it. Every single time that's what he's going do: vote for the TPP, just like he voted to lock up refugees on Manus Island and Nauru. Just like Labor, last time they were in government, slashed the single parenting pension. Do you remember that one, Senator Cameron? If you want to play these silly games, I can play them all day. The fact of the matter is that one of the only true and reasonable things you said in your contribution was that the enemy are sitting over there. The enemy are sitting over there. They are a rabble of a government. They deserve to be kicked out of office at the first available opportunity and, as far as the Australian Greens are concerned, that opportunity cannot come around quickly enough.</para>
<para>I want to talk about tax cuts, because I think the Australian people understand that the TPP cedes our sovereignty and hands over matters that should be left under the sovereign auspices of this parliament to foreign multinational corporations. There's another reason, by the way, that the Labor Party should be ashamed that they've rolled over and abandoned their principles on the TPP. On tax cuts, again, one of the absolute foundations of neoliberalism is trickle-down economics, and trickle-down economics does not work. It has never worked and it never will work. There are people in this country who were told many, many years ago that, if we cut taxes for the well-off and big business, the wealth would trickle down to them. Well, they are still waiting at the bottom of the pile, with their hands outstretched, for the first drops. Do you know what? They're not going to arrive, because trickle-down economics is a demonstrated policy failure. It is actually about reverse income redistribution. It's about making the well-off even more wealthy and the big corporations even more wealthy and powerful. It has terrible impacts on the lives of far too many people and on the environment that ultimately sustains us all.</para>
<para>The big narrative arc of recent decades is parliaments handing over power to the big corporations. That has resulted in environmental degradation—trashing that beautiful environment—and, in fact, in the wealth of this country being concentrated in the hands of far too few while far too many have missed out. In my home state of Tasmania we have a wilderness World Heritage area of incredible beauty and diversity, with habitats including rainforests, alpine meadows, ancient pines, saltwater lagoons and glacial lakes. The rich, vibrant cultural heritage of the Tasmanian Aboriginal people, and their awe-inspiring survival through the last ice age, is represented in the Tasmanian wilderness World Heritage area, with shell middens, stone tools and petroglyphs dating back over 20,000 years. In fact, the Tasmanian wilderness World Heritage area is one of only two properties on earth to meet seven of the 10 World Heritage criteria. It's critical to understand the essence and value of wilderness, which is a decreasing commodity on earth, in large part because governments and corporations have handed over too much power to the great profiteers—the rent seekers, the rapers of our commons.</para>
<para>People have spent decades in Tasmania defending our wilderness from logging, mining and dam construction, but right now we face a new threat: the selling of our wilderness to tourism developers, to private sector profiteers. It's all happening behind closed doors in the Coordinator-General's office run by the Tasmanian Liberal government. That government said in 2014 that it would open up our reserves to commercial tourism and invited the private sector to make submissions. We have seen submissions for inside our pristine wilderness areas, inside our World Heritage area and inside national parks around lodges, tracks, bike trails, helicopter pads, roads, boats and cable cars. I'll tell you what: many Tasmanians are appalled. Enough is enough.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Attracting high-end tourism in our wilderness areas is a focus for the rich. It necessitates helicopter access, plane access and boat access. The World Heritage Committee has recommended strict restrictions on tourism developments, which the Tasmanian and federal governments have given lip service to and agreed to but failed to carry out. The state government has approved intrusive developments after confidential environmental assessments and lease arrangements, with taxpayers' money. We've got to stop the handover of our wilderness to the private sector and protect it for the beautiful values that it has.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to contribute to this discussion, which I think is a crazy topic, to be frank. I agree with Senator Cameron. What this topic put forward by the Greens says is:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The only solutions that the Liberal and Labor parties have to inequality and wage stagnation come straight from the neoliberal handbook, like ever-increasing company tax cuts and free trade deals that hurt workers.</para></quote>
<para>I find this amazing. Let's turn the clock back to the Hawke-Keating government. What happened? They opened up trade, and it hurt us, I can tell you. My brother Peter and I were pig farmers. We built a large piggery. It was hard yakka. We got 100 tonnes of gravel out of the creek and we got 16 tonnes of bagged cement, and we shovelled it into a cement mixer to lay the floors, the slabs, the drains et cetera, only to find that the Hawke-Keating government allowed the importation of pig meat. It was not a very good time, especially come 1994 and the drought, when we sold our pigs as bacon, as heavy pigs at the end of the month. What we sold them for did not cover the cost of the grain we were buying to feed the pigs. Cheap imports came in. Even if the imports didn't come in, they could quote a price, and that was enough to make the market stay low here, because the buyers could say, 'Hang on, I can buy it for $2 from Canada or Denmark; I won't pay more than $1.80 in Australia by the time I add the processor to it.' So that put a dampener on it, and the five or six large piggeries in our area, the Inverell area, shut down, costing jobs. So I thought: 'What's Australia doing? It's crazy with all these trade deals, removing all our barriers—removing the excise, the tariff and the quotas—and letting everything come into Australia.' I tell you that it hurt. However, we've gone past that, and now the other countries are doing the same thing Australia did in the late eighties and early nineties. We're doing these deals where they're removing their barriers and quotas, and it's working.</para>
<para>During my life in rural Australia, you usually got one commodity that was good. It might be wool at the time when cattle were bad, lamb prices were bad and wheat prices were bad. There are exciting times in rural Australia now when we have record prices for wool and we just had a record price for lamb. I pity those who have to buy legs of lamb in the shop at the moment. Lambs made over $300 a head just recently, which is amazing in a drought. All of my life, whenever there was drought, livestock markets just crashed and sheep and cattle sold cheaply, but not this time, because people need and want our food.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Gallacher</name>
    <name.id>204953</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You've only got 67 million sheep left.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You make a very good point, Senator Gallacher. During the boom times for wool in the late eighties and early nineties, we had 180 million sheep. Now we're down to fewer than 70 million sheep. Why? Because people are staying with the cattle. The price has been good. So you're not going from commodity to commodity. Normally cattle would crash when wool was good. There was a guaranteed floor price for wool in those days. People sold the cattle, turned tractors off, went into sheep and oversupplied the sheep market and the wool market, and of course it all crashed. Now it is much, much better and the future looks brilliant, except for the rainfall, and we know that will come in time anyway.</para>
<para>What has brought these good times on in rural Australia? I will tell you: trade agreements—$60-odd billion worth of agricultural trade each year and the price going up. It is very exciting. I know it's hard for Australian consumers when they have to pay so much for their beef, lamb and mutton these days, but the trade agreements are bringing wealth into our country. We talk about wages, poverty and lack of wage growth. I'll bet you that good workers on farms today who have been at those farms for some time are getting paid above award wages, and they're probably getting free accommodation, electricity, fuel for their vehicle and some meat provided as well, and the farmer would be paying the fringe benefits tax, because good workers are scarce.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>We talk about jobs, yet we are desperate for workers in many areas in rural Australia. Getting good workers is the problem.</para>
<para>These agreements have brought wealth back to rural Australia. When the Rudd government was in power, what saved us from recession? Agricultural exports saved us from recession. It has been so many years since we've had a recession in Australia, and I hope that continues. The wealth from exports through these free trade agreements means that we can employ more people and we can pay them more. Sure, it's a tough time. It's probably a poor analogy I'm giving now, because of the drought we're experiencing, but that will break. Of course, the price of land has gone up, simply because they're not making any more of it. That's just a fact. Agricultural land has gone up because it's earning more. It's more valuable. It's providing equity. It's providing a relief to many people on the land through the drought because they can go to their bank and borrow some money to help them keep going, along with government support et cetera.</para>
<para>My experience was that we got done over big time by the Labor Party. That's how I saw it. I thought it was crazy times when Paul Keating was removing barriers and letting in all these imports. Why would we want to import pig meat? We had plenty of pigs in Australia. We had our own market: about 99 per cent was consumed here and three per cent was exported. Why would we want to import pig meat? But we did. We freed up the trade. As I said, it hurt us. It hurt me personally and my brother Peter. It destroyed our life as pig farmers, which was seven days a week and a lot of work to set it all up. Now the benefit is here. We have seen other countries removing those barriers, as I said, and now we are reaping those benefits.</para>
<para>The problem with the Greens is that they have no idea of economics. One of the Greens senators is shaking their head; yes, you have no idea, I promise you. When are they going to learn that it is the private sector, the business sector, that derives our nation's wealth? That's where the wealth comes from. The private sector employs the people, and they pay the taxes to keep this place and the government services going. The more you cripple the private sector, the more you cripple a sector which derives our nation's wealth, the more you will reduce our nation's living standards in the future. So they're up the Labor Party and the Liberal-National party government for giving tax cuts to businesses—oh, those terrible businesses that employ people, that create our wealth and that give government the money to provide services! What a shocking mob they are! This is the attitude of the Greens. And, of course, there are these trade deals.</para>
<para>Why can't we get workers? Why do I have to talk to the management of an abattoir in Inverell where they employ 800 people about workers? It's a great business; it's competing in a world market. Why do we have to have so many workers from Brazil and the Philippines working in an abattoir in Inverell? Why won't the locals work there? We've got plenty of unemployment. The fact is that they don't want to work, or, if they do work, they might fail a grog test when they go to work on Monday morning.</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Dodson interjecting—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WILLIAMS</name>
    <name.id>I0V</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's a fact, Senator Dodson. It happens—not only the grog test, but the drug test as well. They won't look after themselves on the weekend or at night, and then they get booted out of work because they've failed the grog test or the drug test. Why do we desperately have to train so many people from overseas?</para>
<para>Why can't our people here pick fruit? That amazes me. We had a big argument in this place—and the Greens actually sided with us to solve the problem—about the backpacker tax. There were 730,000 unemployed Australians and we complained about who was going to pick our fruit. Something doesn't add up to me. What doesn't add up is that some simply don't have a work ethic; they don't want to work. Some are not capable of work. They've probably done enormous damage to themselves through all sorts of drugs and other things which they've put into their body. That probably hasn't helped them mentally or physically one way or the other. These are the problems that we've got and that's why we rely on these overseas workers.</para>
<para>As we grow the economy with these trade agreements and with the lower taxes—guess what?—business grows. What does business do when it grows? It employs more people. If businesses can't get the people and demand exceeds supply, they have to put their wages up and then prices must go up. Of course, we have our regulator, Fair Work Australia. The fact is that we need trade. We need those barriers removed. And now it's working. I remember politicians coming round to meetings of the National Party, saying, 'Times are going to be good in the future.' I heard this 30 years ago. Well, finally, it has arrived. The trade agreements are here. We're getting the money into rural Australia, we're employing more people and the future looks brilliant.</para>
<para>The tax cuts we give to those businesses is to let them grow more.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>What do you think they're going to do with those tax cuts? They're going to grow their businesses. They're going to spend some of that money and help it go around, especially in rural Australia, where we need money to be spent. The drought has not only affected farmers but also severely affected businesses. The wealth is not coming into those regions, because of the drought and the lack of production, and so businesses are suffering badly. That's why we're putting these million dollar grants now into the councils in the drought areas—to get some money into the local areas. So, thinking that tax cuts are bad and free trade agreements are bad is, to me, simply crazy, and I think this motion by the Greens is outrageous.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLACHER</name>
    <name.id>204953</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I, too, read the letter containing the matter of public importance, a couple of times, and it does bear repeating. It says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The only solutions that the Liberal and Labor parties have to inequality and wage stagnation come straight from the neoliberal handbook, like ever-increasing company tax cuts and free trade deals that hurt workers.</para></quote>
<para>I didn't know what a neoliberal was until Senator McGrath stood up and owned up to being one. Now I've got some idea of what a neoliberal is. If you google it, you'll find it talks about something in the 19th century that has become a resurgent philosophy for some.</para>
<para>I've seen Senator Siewert's contributions in this chamber and I've seen her contributions in committees, and I would say that she always comes from a reasonably well thought out position. It's very clear she's very passionate—articulate, coming from the right place—about a lot of these issues, and they are deeply felt. This MPI looks like it's been drawn up by the 16-year-old in the office who wants to be in <inline font-style="italic">The</inline><inline font-style="italic">West Wing</inline> or some other place, because it's not of a standard that we should be debating. It's from a party that's got a very small vote that wants to get a vote that's a tiny bit bigger, and it's got to appeal to that other half a person that it hasn't quite got in its corner yet. It really is pretty ordinary stuff.</para>
<para>For goodness sake, we know that there's division in the Greens party. Former Senator Rhiannon would have been at one end and other members would have been at the other end of the party room when they debated this sort of stuff. But, honestly, it's pretty low quality. I think it's a pretty ordinary attempt to get a debate going, which is an attempt to get them a couple of extra votes. But let's go to the issues they have raised.</para>
<para>Labor will deliver tax cuts. There's no argument about this. The Labor Party will deliver tax cuts for small and medium businesses with a turnover of up to $50 million a year, delivering certainty in this sector in a fiscally responsible way. Under Labor, small and medium businesses with a turnover of up to $50 million a year will have their tax rate reduced to 25 per cent by 2021-22. Labor have always been a friend of small business; let's not be shy about that. Small business is the engine room of employment. In my previous life, outside this place, I dealt with small business every day. Most of the people in transport are small businesses—thousands and thousands of them. Occasionally, you deal with the multinationals and the larger businesses, who employ lots of small businesses. So our supporting that measure for small business is no great surprise at all, but we'll accommodate the decision in our bottom line by delaying the introduction of the Australian Investment Guarantee by 12 months, building on our record of hard and sensible budget decisions to pay for priorities. There's no bashfulness on the Labor Party side about looking after small business in terms of tax relief.</para>
<para>If we go to the free trade agreements, this is where I do have some level of involvement and perhaps even, dare I say, some level of knowledge, having chaired the Senate inquiries into the Japan-Australia Economic Partnership Agreement, the Korea-Australia Free Trade Agreement, the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement, the TPP-12 and the TPP-11. They have all come through the Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee, which I chair. So, over the years, we've had the ability to go through each and every one of those free trade agreements at length, and tax relief has been a very common feature of all of those free trade agreements.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>When I had problems with those free trade agreements, I'd approach a minister or a cabinet secretary—say, the Hon. Joe Ludwig—and I'd say, 'Joe, this doesn't seem quite kosher; what's the deal here?' He would say, 'Name a Westminster government anywhere in the world that has its trade agreements approved by parliament.' And you'd go away and you'd have a look at all the Western-type governments anywhere in the world and see that free trade agreements are not approved by parliament; they are an executive prerogative of government.</para>
<para>The Joint Standing Committee on Treaties in this parliament, controlled by the government, has made serious recommendations about improving the way trade agreements are formulated, about transparency, about a national interest test and about—dare I say it—ISDS and labour market testing. There have been comments by the government controlled committee in this area. The Senate committee that I chaired held an inquiry into treaty making. It was called 'blind treaty', because essentially that's what all senators in this place are faced with. The treaties are negotiated by the department, usually in secrecy. They're finalised and signed before the parliament gets a look at national interest or before the joint standing committee looks at human rights implications or any of those things, and they're presented to the parliament as a fait accompli. When you dig into that, if you don't want to pass the customs tariff amendment or the enabling regulations, you're putting a sector of agriculture or business—wine, pork or dairy—at a competitive disadvantage.</para>
<para>The imperative to sign the Japan-Australia Economic Partnership Agreement was that if we didn't sign it we'd be six per cent worse off compared to American beef. The imperative in the Korea-Australia Free Trade Agreement was that we would face a higher quota than we currently had in competing against New Zealand, or against Chile. So these free trade agreements—I agree with Senator Cameron that it is the greatest misnomer in the world; there's nothing 'free' about these free trade agreements—are exceedingly detailed and complex. And usually, in Australia's case, they involve competition with New Zealand, the United States, Chile or anyone else who's got a very good product and has excess capacity and wants to supply into very valuable markets.</para>
<para>So we make no apology for having done what everybody in the last 25 years has done, which is pass the enabling regulation or custom tariff amendments to put into place free trade agreements, because the alternative is quite unpalatable: putting our very efficient export sectors at a commercial disadvantage compared with other nations and other sectors, and that is really not how we build prosperity, employment and opportunity in this country. I will say this: I do not agree with the absence of labour market testing. I do not agree that ISDS is a common feature of these agreements. If you actually look at the evidence that was put to the Senate committee inquiry into the TPP-11, there is only one sector that wanted ISDS. It wasn't agriculture. In fact, when we asked all the people who submitted, the only ones who actually had a view on it were the Minerals Council of Australia. Appropriately, they had a view that they needed ISDS in case they had an operation in Africa or some other jurisdiction with less-visible legal mechanisms than we currently have in our country or that are in most countries that we deal with. So, it's not a common thing for ISDS to be supported by anybody other than the Minerals Council of Australia. But we had a minister, the Hon. Steve Ciobo, who said, 'By hell or high water, I'm getting these things signed.' He didn't get the best deal. The TPP was started in 2010, and he didn't get the best deal. Senator McGrath said that there'd been seven free trade agreements signed. Well, the negotiations basically were: 'Let's get it done, because it's a political trophy. We can wave it around and get some votes out of it. We'll be saying that the Liberal Party's the one that can get things done.'</para>
<para>There is no national interest evaluation or assessment on these treaties. And, surprisingly, even though we've done about 230 treaties over 90 years, there's no historical assessment of them either. If you want to go back and work out what the net economic benefits of these treaties were, that's almost impossible to find.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>If you press the government on what the economic benefit of these treaties is, they point to some think tank over there. My view is that we, the Senate and the House of Representatives, should be doing this under the national interest assessment. You should have quantified figures done by the Productivity Commission or some similar organisation. You should have transparency when you're negotiating all the clauses, and you shouldn't have anything that's against the national interest. But that's not the way that these treaty agreements are done in the Westminster system. Essentially, it boils down to this, and the department will tell you so if you press them: whatever the minister wants, the minister gets. Those are their instructions at the end of the day. If the minister wants it signed, it'll be signed, whether it's a good deal or a bad deal.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In the same way as Little Red Riding Hood failed to recognise the big, bad wolf, the coalition and Labor have failed to recognise foreign-owned multinationals for the danger they represent to the economy and to Australian workers. Too many multinational companies and their subsidiaries pay little or no tax in Australia. To put that in perspective, taxpayers in the working-class electorate of Longman in Queensland paid more in personal income tax in 2015-16 than all the foreign-owned multinational subsidiaries operating in Australia paid in company income tax.</para>
<para>The pitiful collection of company income tax from multinationals and their subsidiaries represents the strongest argument for reform of the tax system for multinationals. The same pitiful collection of company income tax from multinationals and their subsidiaries removes any economic argument that free trade agreements are good for Australians or the national economy. Additionally, free trade agreements often put Australian workers in direct competition with low-wage workers in countries where child workers are tolerated and where there are few protections for workers or the environment. We are told free trade agreements open up new markets, but the next thing we know jobs have moved abroad to low-wage nations, and that is one of the reasons Trump pulled the US out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.</para>
<para>The Trans-Pacific Partnership, like every other free trade agreement, was entered into by the government of the day without ever coming before the parliament. It is only later that the government of the day comes to the parliament to seek the passage of enabling legislation like customs tariff schedules. These agreements are about more than trade, because they include the movement of people from other countries to take jobs and they give multinationals the right to sue our government and get the matter arbitrated outside the Australian court system. Who would have imagined that Philip Morris, the cigarette company, would sue the Australian government for losses associated with the plain packaging of cigarettes? It is ridiculous that we are expected to pay multinationals for changes in government policy, but our government keeps agreeing to these investor-state dispute settlement provisions, known as ISDS. New Zealand has managed to void these ISDS provisions with side letters, and I wonder what has stopped Australia from doing the same.</para>
<para>One Nation cannot support trade agreements which put the interests of foreigners and foreign corporations ahead of the interests of Australian workers and the national economy. The government must reform the tax system which applies to foreign-owned multinationals and their subsidiaries in Australia and fill the revenue black hole left by them. The government must have noticed that the interest rate on 10-year US Treasury notes has risen sharply in the past few months. It is over three per cent and expected to rise again. This means the cost of servicing our external debt of $600 billion will rise and make more urgent the need to fill the multinational black hole caused by these companies not paying tax.</para>
<para>One Nation will always put the interests of citizens first, which is why we support tax cuts for businesses with a turnover under $50 million. We do so because we want to see small and medium Australian businesses thrive in Australia and employ Australians in Australia. One Nation supported the corporate tax cuts for turnover of up to $50 million, but the only way to move forward with this and create employment in Australia is to work with the states to reduce payroll tax. That will create employment in the states.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Why are companies and businesses paying payroll tax when the average median price in Western Australia or anywhere in Australia can be up to $80,000 a year? A lot of Australians don't get that amount of money, but it only takes 11 people to put them above the threshold. Then you've got businesses who are not putting on more employment, and, with wage increases and superannuation, they are over the threshold and they are not employing more people. In terms of the Greens' policies, their idea of saving this country is to: stop mining resources—billions of dollars gone; shut down farming more—billions of dollars gone; pay all Australians $30,000 each—as if we can afford this; and open the floodgates to immigration and refugees. That is what the Greens' policies are, and Australia would soon become a Third World country.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The time for the discussion has expired.</para>
</interjection>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>PETITIONS</title>
        <page.no>73</page.no>
        <type>PETITIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Live Animal Exports</title>
          <page.no>73</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I present to the Senate 22 volumes of a petition signed by 238,000 people, relating to stopping the cruel trade of live animal exports, which is not in conformity with the standing orders as it is not in the correct form.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>73</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
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          <title>Consideration</title>
          <page.no>73</page.no>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>74</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
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          <title>Privileges Committee</title>
          <page.no>74</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>74</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KETTER</name>
    <name.id>244247</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of Senator Collins, I present the 171st report of the Senate Standing Committee of Privileges, entitled Person referred to in the Senate: Mr John Lloyd PSM.</para>
<para>Ordered that the report be adopted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">S</name>
    <name.id>244247</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>This report is the 75th in a series of reports recommending that a right of reply be afforded to persons who claim to have been adversely affected by being referred to in the Senate, either by name or in such a way as to be readily identified.</para>
<para>On 28 August 2018, the President received a submission from Mr John Lloyd PSM, relating to a report tabled in the Senate on 21 August 2018. The President referred the submission to the committee under Privilege Resolution 5. The committee considered the submission and recommends that the proposed response be incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The document read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Appendix 1</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Attachment</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Statement pursuant to Section 5 - Protection of persons Referred to in the Senate Privilege Resolutions</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">By John Lloyd</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1. The Merit Protection Commissioner (MPC) submitted a report to the Presiding Officers on 7 August 2018. The Report was titled:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Report of the Results of Inquiries by the Merit Protection Commissioner under S</inline> <inline font-style="italic">ection 50(1</inline> <inline font-style="italic">) (</inline> <inline font-style="italic">b) of the Public Service Act 1999 to the Presiding Officers into Alleged Breaches of the Code of Conduct by the Australian Public Service Commissioner received on 11 January and 4 June 2018.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2. I resigned as Australian Public Service Commissioner on 8 August 2018.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">3. I submit that I am named in the Report. I claim that I have been adversely affected in reputation by the references to me in the Report.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">4. I set out in this paper a summary of the adverse references that adversely affected my reputation and my response to the references.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">5. The impact of the adverse references was amplified by what I consider were most unsatisfactory processes adopted in the handling of the complaints leading to the Report. My rights to a fair hearing were not respected.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Findings of the Report</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">6. The Report finds that my decision to provide a document to the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) amounted to a failure to uphold the good reputation of the Australian Public Service (APS).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">7. The rationale for this conclusion is flawed.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">8. The first aspect of the complaint against me is that the document was created for the sole purpose of providing it to the IPA. This was not sustained. Ample evidence was produced to prove that the paper was created for another purpose. The MPC accepted this point and made a finding that this ground of the complaint was not sustained.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">9. The second aspect of the complaint was that providing the document to the IPA was inappropriate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">10. It is asserted that I should have diverted the request for the document to a Media Team, another SES officer or I should have directed the IPA to submit a Freedom of Information request for the material.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">11. The reasoning for this conclusion is unsound. The Australian Public Service Commission (APSC) receives numerous requests for information. It is a normal and embedded part of the business of the</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">APSC. Agencies like the APSC have a responsibility to share information with outside bodies and the public.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">12. The APSC as a central government agency compiles extensive information that is of interest to others. The APSC shares an enormous amount of data and information with outside entities. The entities typically include think tanks like the IPA, academic researchers, unions, employer groups, international entities e.g. the OECD and other government bodies in Australia and overseas. The clear operating context is to provide the information if it is within our possession .</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">13. The document containing the information that the IPA requested was in our possession. It was therefore straightforward to provide the document to the IPA.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">14. I submit it would be ludicrous to request the IPA to submit a FOI report. This would involve unnecessary delay and cost for both parties. I have never adopted such an approach in circumstances like this.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">15. A decision to pass the request to another SES officer would have the appearance of a contrived arrangement. It would be seen as simply a device for me to avoid responsibility. The document was in existence, a number of officers had contributed to it. I informed others of the request that was made to me by the IPA. The straightforward, efficient and simple approach was to email the document to the Executive Director of the IPA.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">16. The Report observes that a contributing factor to its finding was that by providing the report controversy arose for myself, the APSC and the public service . I assume this view is based on a reaction from those opposed to the Government's bargaining policy, particularly union officials.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">17. Such an assertion displays a staggering ignorance and naivety of the way workplace bargaining is conducted.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">18. The APSC was responsible for coordinating the implementation of the policy in a hard bargaining environment. The policy contained an explicit objective of removing restrictive content from enterprise agreements. The unions and the Opposition were very critical of the Government's policy. As APS Commissioner I was expected to take a leading role in implementing the policy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">19. The Report argues the provision of the paper to the IPA would be seen as "building a coalition of support for his views." This observation misconstrues the nature and fierceness of the workplace bargaining circumstances and my responsibilities as APS Commissioner. It is entirely reasonable and appropriate to build support for the Government's policy. The opponents employed a range of tactics with vigor to build support for their position. It is would be contrary to my obligation as APS Commissioner, responsible for the good reputation of the APS, not to build support for the policy position of the Government.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">20. Most statements I or the APSC made were vigorously rebutted by strong language and attacks from union officials. Misrepresentation of APSC statements and advice by the unions occurred regularly. It is ridiculous in the extreme to assert that the action to build support and to use the term " soft</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">agreements" in these circumstances was inappropriate e.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">21. The MPC and the Report has consistently ignored the backdrop to this early period of my tenure as APS Commissioner. The unions and some ALP parliamentarians opposed my appointment to the posit ion from day one. They indulged in very personal attacks. Any position I advocated inevitably generated strong opposition and criticism. I am accustomed to this tone of response from such people. I have never chosen to succumb to personal abuse. The reasoning in the Report takes one down the path of yielding to such tactics. Such an approach would have been contrary to my responsibilities as APS Commissioner.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">22. The Report observes that I did not act with dishonesty or a lack of integrity. However, curiously I did not act ethically. I find the reasoning hard to follow. It conveys the sense of a hard search to find</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">something adverse.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">23. All other elements of the two complaints were not sustained.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Conduct of the Inquiry</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">24. I wrote to the Presiding Officers on 6 August 2018 setting out my concerns about aspects of t he conduct of the Inquiry. I also wrote to the MPC on 2 August 2018 outlining the concerns in some detail. The letter to the MPC is attached to the Report.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">25. I consider that the inquiry was conducted in such a deficient manner that it miscarried and that my right to a fair hearing were manifestly infringed.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">26. I now summarise my concerns .</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">27. Conflict of Interest. Mr John McMillan was appointed by the Acting MPC on about 14 June 2018 to investigate the complaints. I discovered in late July 2018 that he had given a media interview in September 2015 strongly criticising an aspect of my performance as APS Commissioner. Mr McMillan was upset about views I had ventured about freedom of information He described my position as "terrible." Three media outlets carried the interview and associated commentary. My discovery occurred at a time when the investigation was near completion.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">28. I then learnt from the Report on 7 August 2018 that the Acting MPC knew of this public criticism at the time Mr McMillan was appointed. Apparently, he and the MPC conclude d that this did not constitute a conflict of interest. It is reasoned that the comments concerned matters unrelated to this inquiry.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">29. That position with respect does not stand scrutiny. The criticism are adverse comments about how I was discharging my responsibilities in the position of APS Commissioner. The position subject to the investigation Mr McMillan conducted. It is crucial that such inquiries are seen to be impartial in a manner that is beyond doubt. I deal with many code of conduct complaints. I treat conflict of interest considerations with the utmost care. I would decline to personally conduct an investigation in these circumstances.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">30. Mr McMillan has, given his career experience, some expertise in the area of freedom of information. He was obviousl y aggrieved by my comments; to such an extent he felt compelled to call them out in a media interview about his career. Debate about FOi is ongoing and many people articulate views on the matter. It is clear however that Mr McMillan took note of my views to such an extent that he wanted to challenge and denigrate them publicly. This to me presents a real conflict situation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">31. The Acting MPC did not bother to alert me to this potential conflict. Neither did Mr McMillan. I was denied the opportunity to make a submission on the question of whether Mr McMillan should recuse himself. If I had been given the opportunity I would have sought that outcome.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">32. The course of events gives rise to an alarming incongruity. I was being examined on the question of whether my actions constituted a conflict of interest. However, the inquiry itself is compromised by a potential conflict of interest that was concealed from me.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">33. Terms Exceeded. The terms of the inquiry conducted by Mr McMillan were to investigate whether the document had been prepared for the sole purpose of providing it to the IPA. These terms are clear and are stated in letters that passed between the Acting MPC, Mr McMillan and myself.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">34. Mr McMillan concluded that the document was not created for the sole purpose of providing it to the IPA. Howe ver, he proceeds to make a finding that the provision of the document resulted in a breach of the Code of Conduct. This mean t he made a finding that was beyond the terms of his investigation. I submit due process was ignored.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">35. I was never informed that the investigation was going to travel beyond its terms. If I had been so informed my evidence and the documents I relied on would have been materially different. This is a crucial point. My interpretation of the limited scope of the inquiry was not challengednor explicitly repudiated in any form. The MPC case rests on me interpreting the subtleties in the scope of questioning during an interview of almos t 2 hours conducted by Mr McMillan. The M?C clearly fai led to clarify a changed or expanded scope of the inquiry on any occasion. No advice was provided such as - the terms of the inquiry advised to you by the Acting MPC and Mr McMillan are limited/repudiated and a broader scope of Inquiry is to be followed</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">36. In a conversation responding to Mr McMillan's draft report I raised this issue of going beyond the terms of the inquiry. Mr McMillan responded with words that troubled me. He said something like" they (or there would be) disappointment if the broader issue was not addr essed ." When I challenged him who they were he was evasive and did not answer.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">37. Also, the Acting MPC decided in June 2018 that there was no case to answer regardin g the provision, rather than the creation, of the documen t to the IPA. It was a concluded decision. The decision was then reflect ed in the terms of Mr McM illan 's investigation. It is invalid for the MPC to subsequently reopen and reconsider the June 2018 decision. Even if the MPC believed this course was defensible, I should have been afforded an opportunity to respond to the broader consid erations. I was not given such an opportunity.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">38. Transcript. Mr McMillan conducted a 1 hour 50 minute recorded int erview with me. I was promised a transcript of the interview. This would allow me to verify its accuracy and rely on the transcript to respond to any findings that emerged from the interview.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">39. This arrangement failed to be upheld. I had to request the transcript to be provided to me. I received it only hours before I was required to reply to the draft findings of Mr McMillan. The reports that encompassed those findings were 21 and 12 pages in length respectively. The transcript was 102 pages in length.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">40. Haste of Inquiry. The inquiry was delayed. Several months elapsed between the lodging of the first complaint and the commencement of the inquir y. I then ann ounced my retirement from the APS Commissioner position with effect from 8 August 2018. The announcement was made on 4 June 2018.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">41. This has resulted in rushed processe s and unreasonable timelines compounded by a very formal and legal disposition to the conduct of the matter. The end result was unreasonable deadlines being</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">imposed on me and a firm resistance to any extensions of time.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">42. Witnesses were not interviewed to my know ledge. I find it surprising that witnesses such as Mr Roskam of the IPA, senior APSC executives and former Minister Abetz were not apprcached to give evidence.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">43. Leaks. I have been dismayed by at least two very damaging leaks to media outlets. One was the details of a complaint. The other was the leaking of large and important aspects of the Report almost two weeks before it was tabled in the Senate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">44. I complained on both occasions to the i\/lPC. I have not even had the courtesy of a response to my complaints. I have no evidence or assurance t herefore that the MPC t akes the leaking of material as a serious transgression.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">45. The leaks of course were intended to damage my position and reput at ion. The result was more adverse publicity pre-judging the outcom e of proper process and an enlivening of abusive social media commentary.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">46. Conclusio n. Many aspects of the inqu iry have been most unsatisfactory and prejudiced my right to a fair procedure. Also, the report's finding adversely affect ed my reputation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">47. I acted openly, honestly and with integrity in providing the document to the IPA. I made no attempt to disguise my actions. I have thro ughout my car e er been prepared to challenge union policies and tactics. This has been expected of me in a num ber of senior roles, includi ng as APS Commissio ner. It is importa nt that senior leaders embrace such responsibilit ies to ensure the APS Employment Principles and APS Values are upheld.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">28 August 2018</para></quote>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KETTER</name>
    <name.id>244247</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The committee reminds the Senate that in matters of this nature it does not judge the truth or otherwise of statements made by honourable senators or the persons referred to. Rather, it ensures that these persons' submissions, and ultimately the responses it recommends, accord with the criteria set out in Privilege Resolution 5. I commend the motion to the Senate.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CAMERON</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>John Lloyd, a man who has been a professional union buster, a man who has spent his life trying to stop workers getting decent wages and decent conditions, who was a hero of the coalition, who was a member of the HR Nicholls Society, who was an active participant and employee of the Institute of Public Affairs, has finally left public life and not before time. He has left public life in ignominy, in disgrace, doing what he always did—trying to undermine workers' wages and conditions and doing the bidding of this rabble of a coalition government.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>This is a man who has spent his life moving from state government to federal government, attacking workers' rights in this country. This is a man who ended up as the Public Service Commissioner. I've seen various figures of up to about $700,000 a year appointed by the coalition in reward for doing the bidding of the coalition, a reward for continuing to attack the trade union movement and workers in this country. Good riddance to John Lloyd.</para>
<para>This is typical of this coalition. They appoint their apparatchiks. They appoint their political mates. They appoint former advisers to what are supposedly independent, public organisations. They then use them to deliver their agenda within the statutory authorities that are supposedly independent. John Lloyd never had an independent bone in his body—never. It was simply the coalition's reward for services attacking working people. This is a guy who got an award from the HR Nicholls Society, the Charles Copeman Award. What did he get that award for? Basically, it was for screwing workers. That's the bottom line. This guy, a member of the HR Nicholls Society, never gave up his involvement with the HR Nicholls Society and never gave up his involvement with the Institute of Public Affairs.</para>
<para>Do you remember Charles Copeman? Charles Copeman, for those who haven't been around long enough, was the businessman who said, 'Workers should come to work scared every day.' That's what he said. So it wasn't unusual, I would think, for John Lloyd to be given that award, because that was his modus operandi: 'Workers should be scared when they come to work. Workers should kowtow to the boss. Workers should have no industrial rights. Workers should be in almost slave-like conditions for the boss, do everything the boss wants and have no capacity to act in their own interests.' That's what this guy was about, yet he was constantly given key positions by coalition governments, state and federal. He was a professional union attack dog; that's what this guy was. He ended up in disgrace.</para>
<para>When John Lloyd was appointed, I said at the time that he would set the scene for industrial confrontation that would reduce Public Service morale and productivity. I wasn't Nostradamus. You didn't need to be too smart to know that that's what this guy would do. I said, 'He's an IPA pin-up boy, an extreme ideologue.' There's no doubt that that's what he did. He went on to say that workers can't be guaranteed job security, but this guy was given job security and $700,000 pay cheques by the coalition. This is the modus operandi of this mob.</para>
<para>Remember, it's almost 12 months to the day since Senator Cash sat in Senate estimates and, on five occasions, misled the Senate. Since then, she's been hiding behind Federal Police investigations—probably the longest Federal Police investigation I can remember—into a serious breach of the law in the Public Service. It has been going for 12 months. If anyone from the Federal Police is listening in, where is this report?</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Senator Cash, in her previous ministerial appointment, was up to her neck with John Lloyd before he got chucked out. Senator Abetz was the guy who appointed John Lloyd. And we know that John Lloyd was trouble for working people in this country. That's all he ever was: trouble for working people. On many occasions he emailed the IPA and provided commentary to the IPA. What he ended up doing was resigning in absolute disgrace. He had to resign in disgrace because he had not acted in the strong traditions of the Public Service. He never was going to do that.</para>
<para>Under this rabble of a coalition government, you have mates getting put into key positions in statutory, so-called independent bodies and doing the bidding of the coalition—the Registered Organisations Commission for one, the Fair Work Ombudsman for two, the ABCC for three, the Public Service Commission for four. This is what this lot are about. They misuse their power. They are no better than some of the worst governments in the world when it comes to this. They are just awful. John Lloyd gladly did their bidding and gladly defended them. At one stage, he was a mate of the commissioner for the ABCC, Nigel Hadgkiss. Remember him? He was another appointment by this coalition who, again, had to resign in disgrace, ignominiously, from his position. That's what happens when you appoint ideologues. That's what happens when you appoint your mates to statutory positions and then use them to attack working people in this country.</para>
<para>John Lloyd should have gone through a full process of investigation into what he did. But what did he do? He took the coward's way out and he resigned. He never had a backbone, this guy. He was always good at attacking working people, always good at telling workers that they should have no job security, when he got 700 grand a year from his mates in the coalition. I have been trying to hold these people to account—both Hadgkiss and Lloyd—for the 10 years I've been in the Senate. And I've got to tell you, it is really good that I've seen both of them off. I'm still here and they are gone.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Sterle</name>
    <name.id>e68</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>And disgraced.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CAMERON</name>
    <name.id>AI6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>And in disgrace. They have gone in disgrace, and so will this government. This government will end up being defeated. This government will be in disgrace. The government have got no moral compass. They are playing footsies with One Nation. Look at what they've done to try to gain a few votes in Wentworth. They are a terrible government. They are a rabble of a government. The sooner we see the back of them, the better. Goodbye, John Lloyd, and good riddance! I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Legal and Constitutional Affairs References Committee</title>
          <page.no>78</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Additional Information</title>
            <page.no>78</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of the Chair of the Legal and Constitutional Affairs References Committee, Senator Pratt, I present additional information received by the committee on its inquiry into allegations concerning the inappropriate exercise of ministerial powers with respect to the visa status of au pairs and related matters.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee</title>
          <page.no>78</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>78</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of Senator Sterle, the Chair of the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee, I present the report on the safety of pet food, together with the <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline> record of proceedings and documents presented to the committee, and move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the report.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para> </para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I wish to take note of the report. This is an important report because it highlights the total inadequacy of a system that should have protected our pets. Well-loved dogs died unnecessarily and many more were injured, because this $4 billion industry is both unregulated and has proven—via its underresourced and underfunded association—to be largely unresponsive when a product issue is found. This report covers many important aspects of this industry and I sincerely hope it will inform the work of the independent working group which will formally review this inadequate and self-regulated system.</para>
<para>I commend the Minister for Agriculture and Water Resources, David Littleproud, for seeking the support of his state and territory counterparts to bring together the working group, with input from veterinary and industry associations, to look at ways to improve the regulation of pet food. As this report makes clear, the committee expects that the evidence submitted to this inquiry, and the recommendations of this report, will be not only useful but persuasive.</para>
<para>Frankly, my view is that pet food should be regulated to the same standards as human food. I can't see why we can't simply replicate that process where Food Standards Australia New Zealand develops and maintains mandatory safety and labelling standards that would apply nationally. In fact, it is worth noting that the Australian and New Zealand Ministerial Forum on Food Regulation, which directs FSANZ's work, already includes agricultural ministers from a number of states. These are the same ministers who have agreed to the regulatory review of pet food initiated by Minister Littleproud.</para>
<para>The key recommendations from my point of view are: that Australia move to mandatory regulation, including mandatory labelling, which requires all products, including pet treats, to show a full list of ingredients, preservatives, additives and heat or other treatments before sale; that the federal government work with states and territories to develop a robust and transparent mechanism for the reporting of adverse effects, and this must also incorporate a mechanism for the public to direct product issues; and that the public system would be best managed by the ACCC, and the ACCC and the Australian Veterinary Association need to explore measures to improve data capture in the industry's pet farm system.</para>
<para>All up, this report contains seven recommendations and a host of valuable information for government, the industry and pet owners to consider. I commend it to the Senate and government. I would also like to personally thank all who attended the hearings, particularly those pet owners who shared their heart-rending stories of the plight of their dogs who are stricken with megaesophagus. Jodie Burnett, Rach Dola and Christine Fry, this inquiry only happened because of you.</para>
<para>As I've said on many occasions, pets are our friends and companions—part of the family. They rely on us and it's up to us to ensure they lead a good, healthy life, and it's important that this $4 billion industry does the right thing by them. This is the time to act decisively and in the best interests of our pets, and this means the status quo has to go. It's now over to government to ensure all of the recommendations are implemented, and I look forward to them doing so. I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS</title>
        <page.no>79</page.no>
        <type>MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Northern Australia</title>
          <page.no>79</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CANAVAN</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—When this government announced its white paper on northern development three years ago, we mapped out a 20-year plan to develop the north, the first white paper by any Commonwealth government to develop Northern Australia. The government have made significant progress on implementing our plan, including the construction of roads, dams and other infrastructure, and three-quarters of the white paper's recommendations have been implemented.</para>
<para>During the past year, we have just gone past the 10 per cent time mark on our 20-year plan. While the progress we have made is substantial we must remember that true progress on northern development will take time. What is needed now is persistence to stick with the plan so that we can make a real difference.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>This third annual statement tonight is noteworthy for the great momentum being built, the concrete results being delivered and the untapped potential being realised in a region that is already an economic powerhouse, for our nation yet has so much more to offer:</para>
<para>As I speak:</para>
<list>extensive road upgrades are connecting industry and producers to markets and making travel safer for northern communities,</list>
<list>industry-led research is generating productivity gains in industries that are critical to wealth creation,</list>
<list>water resource assessments are reducing the risks for investors to encourage financial commitment to major water storage infrastructure developments, and</list>
<list>each northern jurisdiction is benefiting from private sector investment thanks to the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility.</list>
<para>So far more than 74 per cent of the measures in the white paper have been implemented—that is, 38 of the 51 measures have been delivered. But our plan for the north was never intended to be a short-term agenda; we've continued to invest in it this year, the 2018-19 budget a clear indication of our commitment to its continuity.</para>
<para>B uilding world-class infrastructure</para>
<para>The northern agenda is a nation-building agenda, and it's rightly characterised as an infrastructure-driven agenda. Roads, railways, ports, airports, water and energy supply, telecommunications—they are all fundamental to the proper functioning of any modern economy. Making infrastructure development the linchpin of our plan for the north is therefore a necessary strategic objective.</para>
<para>It is gratifying to see that infrastructure development in the north, fostered by our agenda, is gathering pace. And all who live, work, do business and travel in the north stand to benefit. Nearly half of the 37 projects planned under the $700 million Northern Australia Roads Program and Northern Australian Beef Roads Program are either complete or underway. They are improving safety and access to services; more efficiently connecting communities and businesses to domestic and international markets; and allowing locals to earn money. These road upgrades are creating up to 2,400 direct jobs for the local communities involved, including significant business and employment opportunities for Indigenous people.</para>
<para>The impact of this investment is felt far beyond direct employment. Mayor Tom Gilmore of the Mareeba Shire Council in Far North Queensland says that on the Hann Highway the Northern Australia Roads Program is transforming vital infrastructure.</para>
<para>He says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">It will make an enormous difference to not only the lives of the people who live beside it, but also to the cattle, fruit and vegetable, agricultural and minerals industries.</para></quote>
<para>It is heartening to hear that through these investments, we are driving economic growth in these industries.</para>
<para>In Western Australia works have commenced on the Cape Leveque Road, north of Broome on the Dampier Peninsula. The remaining 90 kilometres are being sealed, creating bigger opportunities for tourism and other industries. Twenty full-time positions on this project have been created for Aboriginal workers and 20 per cent of the subcontracted works are being delivered by Aboriginal businesses.</para>
<para>In the Northern Territory we are well underway with further upgrades to the Buntine Highway, one of the Northern Territory's high-priority cattle routes. This benefits the region's cattle industry with around 15 partial substations relying heavily on the Buntine Highway to get their cattle to markets. In our white paper, we identified the iconic Outback Way as a priority route right across the north.</para>
<para>The first of five new Queensland upgrades is now underway, with further upgrades planned for the Northern Territory and Western Australian roads that make up this inland route. This year we allocated a further $160 million towards the Outback Way, taking our overall commitment to $330 million for this nation-building project. We are on track to seal this third route, east-west, across our nation. These upgrades assist the communities and industries who rely on them for essential services and create potential for more employment and growth in the mining, agricultural and tourism sectors right across the north. We are building further on these roads initiatives.</para>
<para>This year's announcement of the Roads of Strategic Importance program, a decade-long commitment in this year's budget, invests an additional $1.5 billion directly in Northern Australia. The program will upgrade key agricultural and mining corridors to open up local supply chains and provide more reliable and safer transport links for freight, tourism and community road users. Access to domestic and export markets will be easier, enhanced through better connection to intermodal freight facilities. This investment will be a great boost to the northern economy and over the next decade will add to the jobs that have already been created.</para>
<para>Encouraging private investment</para>
<para>Since the last report, private sector engagement with our northern agenda has been steadily translated into actual investment with the help of the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility—the NAIF.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>I have acknowledged that the NAIF's progress did not meet our initial expectations. The NAIF is an innovative way for governments to fund nation building infrastructure by partnering with private investors. It is understandable that it has taken some time and some refinements to make this new approach work.</para>
<para>Last year I commissioned a review by Tony Shepherd to investigate the NAIF's progress and suggest changes that could help unlock its funding. In response we have amended the NAIF's investment mandate to increase its flexibility and to improve its potential to support projects to deliver more jobs and economic opportunities across the north. These changes have expanded the types of infrastructure the NAIF can fund—from airports and energy networks to abattoirs—and increased the amount it can lend to some projects. It is my view that these changes have helped pick up the pace of NAIF funding.</para>
<para>The NAIF's total investment, including conditional approvals, is now nearly $1 billion, with a total new projects value of up to $2.3 billion. I want to thank Khory McCormick, the chair of the NAIF, Sharon Warburton, the previous chair, and their team for the dynamic way they have approached this task and turned things around. Their changed approach is helping to unlock new opportunities across Northern Australia.</para>
<para>Take, for example, the Pilbara, Western Australia's mining powerhouse. Earnings from that region alone, with a population of just 60,000 people, are larger than the individual economies of 119 countries. (i) Yet the Pilbara has more room to create additional wealth if the necessary infrastructure is in place. The NAIF is helping generate private investment for such infrastructure.</para>
<para>The government, through the NAIF, has provided a $19.5 million loan to a subsidiary of Pilbara Minerals Ltd to upgrade a 70-kilometre public road from its Pilgangoora mine, home to one of the world's largest known lithium ore deposits. The loan will help get lithium from the mine to the port more efficiently, boost exports of lithium from the Pilbara, and improve travel times and safety for a wide range of road users in the region. Lithium is, of course, used in batteries for a whole range of consumer products—from portable electric devices to electric vehicles. There is a huge growing demand for such batteries and the NAIF is making sure that Australia is best placed to capture a growing share of this global market.</para>
<para>Our first investment for the NAIF in Queensland will transform the James Cook University campus to be a university of the future. Their landmark Technology Innovation Complex will provide contemporary facilities for a new focus on engineering for the tropics. Public benefits will be around $700 million for the first 30 years.</para>
<para>The NAIF has also provided conditional approval for major upgrades to airport infrastructure in Darwin, Tennant Creek and Alice Springs. This includes investments in cold storage, an export hub, upgrades and solar energy farms with an off-site multiuse battery. This project alone is likely to generate 1,000 jobs through the construction phase, support around 500 indirect jobs, and create 140 new ongoing positions. The projects set the airports up for greater tourist numbers and allow producers to export fresh agriculture and aquaculture products direct to market.</para>
<para>Through investments like these, the NAIF is fulfilling its aim of helping the private sector access the capital it needs to help drive infrastructure and economic development in the north. I am pleased that, following our changes, we are seeing more investment decisions from the NAIF, and it is making a substantial contribution to the development of the north's economy.</para>
<para>Harnessing more of the north's water resources</para>
<para>We have made good progress in driving an agenda to develop new water infrastructure in Northern Australia too. The ability to capture and store more of the region's rainfall, which accounts for around 60 per cent of Australia's total rainfall, is critical to our agenda to develop the north. Currently, just two per cent of this rainfall is being used. (ii) The government's $580 million Northern Water Infrastructure Development Fund has committed $230 million to Northern Australian water projects. Nine of the 15 water infrastructure feasibility studies commissioned out of this funding have already been completed. We have committed just over $176 million to build the Rookwood Weir in cooperation with the Queensland government, $3 million to modernise the Nogoa Mackenzie Water Supply Scheme, and $11.6 million to modernise the Mareeba-Dimbulah Water Supply Scheme in North Queensland.</para>
<para>We now have more confidence in the north's potential for expanding agricultural production. Just recently the CSIRO completed scientific assessments that identified up to 387,000 hectares across key water catchments with the potential for agricultural crops such as sugar cane and cotton. These opportunities are in the Mitchell River catchment in Queensland, the Fitzroy River catchment in Western Australia, the Finniss River catchment in Adelaide, and the Mary River and Wildman River catchments around Darwin in the Northern Territory. The assessments have also identified 710,000 hectares of additional coastal land that could accommodate lined aquaculture ponds. The data from these assessments set a baseline for major advancement in irrigated agriculture, giving investors the information they need to reduce risks and make informed decisions to finance large-scale infrastructure in the north.</para>
<para>Fostering globa lly competitive industries</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Another piece of encouraging progress over the past year is that more businesses and industries in northern Australia are getting support from Australia's world-class researchers to flourish and stay globally competitive. The government's investment in research and development in the north is fostering world-leading innovation such as smart supply chains and generating new ideas to capitalise on the region's strengths and address its challenges.</para>
<para>The work of the Cooperative Research Centre for Developing Northern Australia is an excellent example of the positive difference our investment is making in the north. With funding of $75 million over 10 years, the CRC is supporting industry-led research collaborations in food and agriculture, health service delivery and traditional-owner-led business developments. Last October, I announced seven collaborative research projects in northern Australia totalling $13.9 million that leveraged partnering contributions of $37 million.</para>
<para>Since then, the CRC for Developing Northern Australia has announced funding of almost $3.6 million towards 12 new industry-led projects with a combined project value of over $12 million. Just last month, the CRC announced its latest funding—a $500,000 grant to trial new methods to double the north's mango production and increase business profit margins. The three-year project is a collaboration between two large commercial mango growers—Manbulloo Ltd and BJM Enterprises—and the Australian Mango Industry Association, and the Queensland Department of Agriculture and Fisheries. Grower Marie Piccone from Manbulloo, Australia's leading producer of Kensington Pride mangoes—they're coming back into season—says the CRC research and innovation has helped improve her company's performance. They're supplying Australian customers and exporting direct to the global industry. By streamlining the supply chain with automation in harvesting and packing, they're reducing their company's costs.</para>
<para>Growing demand for high-quality produce like mangoes from the north has led to new export opportunities. This research collaboration will ensure more Australian mangoes reach growing overseas markets, helping the mango industry to grow and create more jobs. Northern Australia is already a region of excellence in research on tropical health, medicine and environments. The government's investment in the north's R&D through the northern agenda means the region's research base is growing from strength to strength.</para>
<para>Greater collaboration</para>
<para>A promising outcome of our efforts in the north is that we are seeing greater collaboration and engagement with the agenda at all levels—government, industry and local communities. Since the inaugural Ministerial Forum on Northern Development a year ago, Australian government ministers responsible for northern development and our counterparts from the Northern Territory, Western Australia and Queensland have been working together to advance the agenda.</para>
<para>In April we met for the second forum in Kununurra, where we agreed to continue to fund vital roads and water infrastructure, promote investment opportunities and create new jobs. We also agreed in principle to recommendations by the Indigenous Reference Group, comprising a group of leading Indigenous business representatives, and undertook to work closely to improve economic outcomes for Indigenous Australians in the north.</para>
<para>A stronger economy in the north cannot be achieved without the economic participation of Indigenous Australians. Indigenous Australians make up about 15 per cent of the population in northern Australia and in the Northern Territory this figure is even higher, at over 25 per cent. I am pleased to be working with Indigenous business leaders on strategies to help get more people into jobs, get the right support for Indigenous entrepreneurs and help our traditional owners realise the economic potential of their land, sea and cultural assets. I thank Indigenous Affairs Minister Senator Nigel Scullion and the Indigenous Reference Group for their work in progressing this essential aspect of developing the north.</para>
<para>Conclusion</para>
<para>The review of the first three years of the government's northern Australia agenda shows progress being made but there is a lot more work to do. These annual statements to parliament themselves create pressure and energy to help maintain the momentum on the northern. We must maintain this pressure to ensure that the next 17 years of our northern Australia agenda continues to make progress. That is a task for all Australians that support the development of our country. Tonight 160-odd guests will join me here in parliament to continue to sell the message about the enormous opportunities that exist in northern Australia. Our plan is a plan for all of these Australians—indeed, all Australians—and we need to work together to see this plan to its conclusion.</para>
<para>1 Pilbara Development Commission (2018) Pilbara Economic Snapshot, Edition 1, August 2018 http://www.pdc.wa.gov.au/application/files/9615/3535/6982/Pilbara_Economic_Snapshot_August_2018.pdf</para>
<para>2 The White Paper on Developing Northern Australia: Our North, Our Future, page 40 https://www.industry.gov.au/sites/g/files/net3906/f/June%202018/document/pdf/nawp-fullreport.pdf and 2016 Annual Statement https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/canavan/speeches/northern-australia-annual-statement</para>
<para>Additional information</para>
<para>Visit http://northernaustralia.gov.au for the 2018 Developing Northern Australia Implementation Report and the Our North | Our Future video.</para>
<para>I table this statement and seek leave to have this statement incorporated in Hansard.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator MOORE</name>
    <name.id>00AOQ</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the minister for making the annual statement to the Senate on the government's progress on implementing the Northern Australia white paper. Our shadow minister, Jason Clare, in the other place, will be joining the minister at tonight's function, and there will be the opportunity—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Moore, are you moving to take note?</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator MOORE</name>
    <name.id>00AOQ</name.id>
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  <para>I am moving to take note. I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the statement.</para></quote>
<para>I've already started to take note, Madam Deputy President, and now I'll continue. In terms of the process, our shadow minister, Jason Clare, will be joining the minister this evening at the function, where he will have a chance also to continue discussion about a really important element of future policy.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>I take the point the minister raised in his conclusion about the importance of having this engagement with our parliament. He said that these reports offered the opportunity to provide 'pressure and energy' to ensure that this 20-year plan will continue and engage with people across the community. Also in that space is the absolutely strong importance of collaboration across governments and the fact that that must be an integral part of the future, and also the acknowledgement of the extraordinarily important element of work with Indigenous communities across northern Australia. We know that one of the elements to make this program operate is to identify where the needs are greatest and also to look at who lives in northern Australia. It is a growing, wonderful part of the world but we do acknowledge that a very large number of Indigenous people live in northern Australia and they must be part of any plan into the future.</para>
<para>One of the things we do know is that these annual reports are important to the parliament. When we had a look at <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>, we couldn't find a report that was handed down last year. Certainly there was the report the first time, but this is only the second time that a report has actually been made, from looking through <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Canavan</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
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  <para>It was tabled.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator MOORE</name>
    <name.id>00AOQ</name.id>
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  <para>It was tabled but there was no discussion in terms of the process and the way we operate.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Canavan</name>
    <name.id>245212</name.id>
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  <para>I was in the High Court.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator MOORE</name>
    <name.id>00AOQ</name.id>
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  <para>I take your point, Minister: you were not minister at the time. But I just think it is very important that we ensure that the interaction actually happens. Also one of the elements that needs to be looked at is that we do share a parliament in this place. You are the minister at the moment in this place, but this report should be tabled and discussed in the other place as well. And it is not only in this report; it happens a lot. I think there needs to be the opportunity and the knowledge that, when you have a report of this nature, it doesn't matter where the minister is located; it needs to have that option for debate. We can work better on doing that in future, because I think that is something we do lack. So I get the opportunity now to make some comments about it, even though I am only looking at doing a covering job for the shadow minister, who happens to be in the House of Representatives. There must be a way, not only in public functions but also in the parliament, to have that process. We know that Mr Pyne, then the Minister for Defence Industry, tabled a statement in the other place, but there was not the same opportunity to get the chance to get up and talk about why the program is important and what its focus is. And it was at that time last year when there were acknowledgements that there needed to be some changes. In fact, that was when the review of what was going on was announced. It was an important time and I hope that that will be done better into the future.</para>
<para>As we know, when this government launched the white paper, there was a great deal of fanfare. I will quote some of the things that were said at the time. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott said that the white paper was designed to create an 'economic powerhouse'. Former Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Resources and Northern Australia, Barnaby Joyce, said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">We are a nation smart enough and brave enough to take the next step and now we have the government motivated enough to do just that.</para></quote>
<para>They promised thousands and thousands of jobs—and what have we seen since then?</para>
<para>The minister rolled off some figures in his report. But when you look at exactly what has happened in northern Australia, you see that it is not a great picture around employment. Since the white paper was released, unemployment in places like Townsville has got considerably worse, not better. From Gladstone to Darwin there are now more than 33,000 people looking for work. And for many of those who do have jobs, wages have gone down and not up. More than 40,000 people in northern Australia have had their penalty rates cut. And that's not all. When you look at the incredibly important and valuable aspects of education in the north, you see that local schools have lost the funding that they were supposed to get—$70 million from schools in the Northern Territory and $100 million from schools in Central and North Queensland. Universities have been cut too—$15 million from Charles Darwin University in the NT, $36 million from James Cook University in North Queensland and $38 million from Central Queensland University, which now has a range of campuses across the north. There are over 9,100 fewer apprentices across Australia. On that basis, things have got worse for the north, not better. We are worried that there is a lot of talk and not enough action.</para>
<para>Around the NAIF, the minister identified in his comments that this particular program had not been proceeding in the way that he had hoped.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>There is, in fact, a review called to see what was going on in the first two years of the program. There's no bigger example of areas where there's been talk and media but not as much action as was promised and is obviously needed. The NAIF, the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility, was the centrepiece of the government's promise to the north. When the NAIF Act passed parliament in this place, Senator Canavan said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility continues the legacy of other great nation building initiatives that Australian governments had taken in the past, like the Snowy Mountains scheme and interstate railways.</para></quote>
<para>That may have been a slight exaggeration, but we all need a goal, because, after more than 3½ years, it has only announced one project in Queensland, which the minister identified in his contribution.</para>
<para>The NAIF also has been promoted. While it's been building and building and being reviewed, the NAIF has caused considerable media coverage. The NAIF did media during Beef Week in Rockhampton, talking about potential investments. There was lots of talk about all the possibilities. There are still lots of possibilities and potential, but unfortunately, from where the community stands, there hasn't been significant action. Particularly now, when we have drought-stricken farmers in Central Queensland and, in fact, across the community, at Beef Week there was quite a deal of expectation that something was going to translate for this incredibly important industry in our community.</para>
<para>We believe that NAIF has not lived up to its promises. It's no longer the centrepiece of the government's promises; it's now a symbol of things that must be done better. Certainly we acknowledge that recently there has been some movement from the NAIF in Western Australia and the Top End. That is positive. Labor welcomed those announcements. But after three years, given the importance with which this element was promoted, it's just not good enough—not when 33,000 people are looking for work.</para>
<para>When Labor were in government, one in every $7 invested in infrastructure was spent in the North. We committed more than $5 billion, and we didn't leave it just sitting there with promises attached. We need to get the NAIF money, which has been identified and promised, out. Every minute you delay has an impact. For example, in Darwin, the construction on the Inpex project is wrapping up. In this place, we've had a number of contributions over the past years about what that impact was, how many people are involved and how this has a real impact not just in the immediate area of Darwin but across the whole north. Last year, there were around 9,000 people working there, more than 1,100 of whom were Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, which was a really positive element of that project. There are now around 3,700. These people are finishing their jobs in Darwin and they are leaving town. That has been identified both within Darwin and across the Territory. If the government had had its act together, it would have announced enough projects in the Top End to keep those workers there months ago so that, instead of people being faced with the decision to leave the area to get work, they could have continued to plan and live in the Territory with the confidence that there were jobs that they could take. That would maintain the expenditure and the community aspects that are so important in any area but, I think, particularly in the North, where, again, there had been so much hope and expectation.</para>
<para>The government isn't delivering what it promised. The people of northern Australia have been asked to trust into the future, and that is important. In fact, they've always been asked to trust into the future, and they're not getting their trust responded to. People in the north should be able to trust their government to deliver the things that are important to them. That's why we've told them that a Shorten plan would do things at the next election. These are not election promises; they are clear plans into the future for how we would look at a plan for northern Australia. We'd put back the money that we've identified as being cut from schools, because we understand that the only way to an effective future is to have a strong education base. Again, that builds families and communities. Just last week, we announced that we'd deliver a record $14 billion investment into public schools. We have also planned to put $700 million cut from hospitals back into the system. Importantly, as I said earlier, we would look at genuine wages and we would return penalty rates.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Moore. Your time has expired.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Moore</name>
    <name.id>00AOQ</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
<para> </para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
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  <para>At the request of the Chair of the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee, I present the report of the committee on the provisions of the Aviation Transport Security Amendment Bill 2018 together with the documents presented to the committee.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I want to make some remarks in relation to some of the debate last night on my amendment. First of all, I want to correct the record where Senator Hanson-Young made some remarks in respect of the second reading vote. She said, 'We saw the Labor opposition cross the floor and cuddle up to the Morrison government.' I want to make sure it's on the record that not all of the Labor Party crossed the floor. You weren't quite correct there, Senator Hanson-Young. There were some Labor members missing: Senator Brown, Senator Cameron, Senator Carr, Senator Chisolm, Senator Marshall, Senator McCarthy, Senator Sterle and Senator Urquhart. I know a number of those are simply not in favour of this bill. We shouldn't assume that the entire Labor Party are supportive of this. The reality is that there is substantial division. I suspect that when my amendment is voted on we won't see some of those people in the chamber as well.</para>
<para>I'd also like to address some remarks made by Senator Farrell yesterday in response to my amendment. He talked about whether or not Centre Alliance were protecting workers. He said that we were fairweather friends of workers. There are many people in this place who can proudly stand up and say they are the friends of workers, but I'm not sure that Senator Farrell is one of those. So we're not going to be lectured by Senator Farrell, who was the secretary of the SDA from 1993 to 2008, on the issue of who has interests in the workers of Australia. Senator Cameron and Senator Marshall are senators who at least have some credibility when it comes to defending workers. It's no coincidence that they were not in the chamber last night and are not here now.</para>
<para>Senator Farrell—through you, Chair—how can you stand there and lecture Centre Alliance on protecting workers when your union, the SDA, sold out around a quarter of a million workers in the retail and fast-food industry? An <inline font-style="italic">Age</inline> and <inline font-style="italic">Sydney Morning Herald</inline> investigation across 2015 and 2016 revealed the SDA deal across the fast-food and retail sector left more than 250,000 workers paid less than the award and saved businesses at least an estimated $300 million a year. How's that looking after workers?</para>
<para>In June last year, the supermarket giant Coles admitted underpaying much of the workforce in cosy deals it struck with the SDA. It was admitted by Coles that much of their workforce, up to 60 per cent, would be better off if they were paid the minimum award rate rather than what they were paid from deals struck up with the SDA. The majority of Coles workers would have been better off without the SDA's arrangements. How's that looking after workers, Senator Farrell? Senator Farrell claimed yesterday, although this was not picked up in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>, that we have some of the highest paid retail workers in the world.</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Farrell interjecting—</para>
<para> </para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Patrick, please resume your seat. Senator Smith, on a point of order?</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Dean Smith</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
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  <para>I can't hear Senator Patrick's very informed attack on Senator Farrell, because Senator Farrell keeps interjecting.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I do hope there's no informed attack, because, as you know Senator Smith, we direct all comments to the chair not to individual senators. Please continue, Senator Patrick. Senators have the right to be heard in silence.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
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  <para>Thank you, madam chair, and I did ask that it be directed through you. Senator Farrell claimed yesterday, although it wasn't picked up in the <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>, that we have some of the highest paid retail workers in the world. That may be the case now given that the substandard wages deal between the SDA and Coles has now been replaced.</para>
<para>An article by Ben Schneiders and Royce Millar, who did some fantastic work exposing the truth behind the deal, in <inline font-style="italic">The Sydney Morning Herald</inline> on 12 August 2018 said that, 'Coles workers have now received a huge pay rise after the cosy deal between the SDA and Coles was scrapped.' The article highlighted that:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Both Coles and the Shop, Distributive & Allied Employees Association (SDA) had fought for years to keep the previous deal which paid tens of thousands of workers less than the minimum rates of the award, the basic wages safety net.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The old deal slashed - or did not pay at all - penalty rates and other entitlements in exchange for modest increases in hourly pay.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In 2016, the full bench of the Fair Work Commission found that deal failed the "better off overall test", the legal test that workers have to be paid more than the award.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">More than half the workforce was underpaid, evidence from Coles' own expert showed.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It took nearly another two years of legal wrangling after that Fair Work ruling for a new agreement to take effect. That deal now largely reflects the minimum rates of the award.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Nelio Da Silva, who has worked for more than five years at Coles, now gets paid an extra $140 a week under the new deal.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">He recently joined the new union, the Retail and Fast Food Workers Union, whose secretary Josh Cullinan exposed the Coles deal in 2015.</para></quote>
<para>That's what <inline font-style="italic">The Sydney Morning Herald</inline> had to say.</para>
<para>The Retail and Fast Food Workers Union has also done some great work in exposing the dodgy deals that the SDA has done over the decades with big business. Their analysis shows that common across many retail employees were these: evening penalty rates of 25 per cent removed; application of shift penalty rates reduced or removed; Saturday penalty rates of 25 per cent removed, and that's 35 per cent for casual staff; Sunday penalty rates of 100 per cent removed or reduced; casual loadings reduced from 25 to 20 per cent; junior rates for 17-year-old staff reduced from 60 to 55 per cent; junior rates for—</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Patrick, I do appreciate this is a wide-ranging debate. I'm just waiting for you to come back to your amendment.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will come back to it. It relates directly. It is a rebuttal to comments made last night.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I am listening carefully. I am just reminding you that it does need to relate to the amendment.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, chair. Junior rates for 18-year-old staff reduced from 70 to 67 per cent and removal of paid rest breaks for four-hour shifts. How is that looking after workers?</para>
<para>The SDA has alleged these losses are offset by an increase in the base rate of pay and other benefits, such as Defence reserve leave and blood donor leave. We now know that's not the case. Clearly a six per cent increase in the base wage does not offset a 25 per cent, 50 per cent or higher loss penalty rate. We know that even 11 per cent or higher does not offset lost penalty shift, casual, overtime and junior rates.</para>
<para>The Retail and Fast Food Workers Union have claimed that a huge number of workers, hundreds of thousands of workers, have earned less than they would have earned had there been no SDA agreement in place. This affects almost every major retailer and fast food company in Australia. It has cost retail and fast food workers billions of dollars. How is this looking after the workforce?</para>
<para>Turning back to the TPP, I'd like to quote the ETU National Secretary, Allen Hicks, who said:</para>
<para> </para>
<quote><para class="block">The TPP is all about looking after the big end of town, maximising profits for multinational corporations at the expense of what is best for the Australian public.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These big businesses will be able to bring temporary workers into the country without even advertising those jobs locally, taking away training and employment opportunities for young Australians.</para></quote>
<para>How is this looking after Australian workers?</para>
<para> </para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that amendment (1) on sheet 8520 as moved by Senator Patrick be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The committee divided. [18:49]<br />(Chair—Senator Lines)</p>
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            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>14</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Anning, F</name>
                  <name>Di Natale, R</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                  <name>Georgiou, P</name>
                  <name>Griff, S (teller)</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                  <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                  <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                  <name>Rice, J</name>
                  <name>Siewert, R</name>
                  <name>Storer, TR</name>
                  <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                  <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>29</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Bernardi, C</name>
                  <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                  <name>Birmingham, SJ</name>
                  <name>Brockman, S</name>
                  <name>Bushby, DC</name>
                  <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                  <name>Duniam, J</name>
                  <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                  <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                  <name>Hinch, D</name>
                  <name>Hume, J</name>
                  <name>Keneally, KK</name>
                  <name>Ketter, CR</name>
                  <name>Leyonhjelm, DE</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J</name>
                  <name>Molan, AJ</name>
                  <name>Moore, CM</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, B</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J</name>
                  <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                  <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                  <name>Singh, LM</name>
                  <name>Smith, DA (teller)</name>
                  <name>Smith, DPB</name>
                  <name>Sterle, G</name>
                  <name>Stoker, AJ</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, AE</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names></names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
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            </division.result>
          </division><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BERNARDI</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I will be moving the amendment on sheet 8542, which seeks to uphold one of the Australian Conservatives' key policy platforms: to review all agreements and treaties after a period of 10 years so that we can ensure that they're acting in Australia's national interest, that the intention when they were implemented is being fulfilled and that the benefits are being felt for all Australians. There are two parts to this amendment, effectively. It is asking the minister to initiate a review at the six-year mark, which is when most of the agreements in place and the steps in the TPP will have been implemented and introduced, and then that report should be made available to the parliament; and then, at the end of 10 years, they can decide whether to extend it or not. I don't intend to delay the Senate much further, because I know there are a number of amendments to deal with. I move the amendment standing in my name:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Page 2 (after line 12), after clause 3, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">4 Review of this Act</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) The Minister must cause a review to be conducted of the operation of this Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) The review must be conducted as soon as practicable after the end of 6 years after Schedule 1 to this Act commences.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) The persons who conduct the review must give the Minister a written report of the review.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) The Minister must cause copies of the report to be tabled in each House of the Parliament within 15 sitting days of that House after the report is given to the Minister.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">5 Sunset provision</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Act and the <inline font-style="italic">Customs Tariff Amendment (Comprehensive and Pro</inline><inline font-style="italic">gressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership Implementation) Act 2018 </inline>cease to have effect at the end of 10 years after Schedule 1 to this Act commences.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Bernardi. I think we all appreciate your brevity in raising this issue. But I would like to reconfirm the government's position—that we will not be supporting this amendment, because we don't believe the sunset clause is a positive step. In fact, it's quite retrograde and will completely undermine the TPP-11 agreement.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I just want to point out the irony of our being senators and doing our job here in this chamber tonight, looking at making amendments to legislation, which is what we're elected to do. Because of the treaty process and the way it's set up, we can't actually amend any of this enabling legislation. Even one change in one paragraph would kill and torpedo the entire 13 years of negotiations. How outrageous!</para>
<para> </para>
<para>What a farce it is that we come in here pretending to do our job, coming up with good ideas on how we can actually improve the TPP. Even Senator Bernardi's got a good idea on improving the treaty process; reviewing treaties after 10 years is a very sensible and logical thing to do. May I refer Senator Bernardi and others to the Senate report on the treaty-making process, which went into some detail on how we need to improve this so we don't have this farcical situation that we're in tonight where we come in to do our job and we're not able to do our job. I know there are people in the Labor Party who would desperately like to see elements of this TPP changed, as do the Greens, Centre Alliance and a number of other senators in the chamber. But we can't change a thing. One change and it's all off, all deals are off.</para>
<para>This agreement has been negotiated behind closed doors by our trade representatives in DFAT. Occasionally a minister or a ministerial appointment will check up on negotiations. And guess who's behind closed doors? It's big business, business representatives and associations representing industry. When we think about trade deals, most people think of the Australian government doing deals with America, Canada, Chile and Japan. Actually, the Australian government are there to facilitate it, but we're not doing the deals. We didn't initiate the TPP. No government did. It was initiated by big corporations. That's what trade deals are. If you boil it down to its basics, it's stakeholders trying to get an advantage. We call it the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement. It should be the 'Trans-Pacific Profit agreement'—because that's actually what it is.</para>
<para>There are so many misnomers and furphies around trade and I've heard it ad nauseam in this place. This deal has very little to do with traditional trade. We've reduced most of our tariffs down to next to nothing. We've killed our existing industries in recent years after the Japanese free trade deal and the Korean free trade deal. Most of the countries in the TPP we've already got bilateral trade deals with. Yes, there's some increased market access, but it is minuscule, it is puny, compared to the advantages in trade, investment and services. This is an investment agreement driven especially by digital companies, financial services companies, healthcare companies and big pharmaceutical companies. There are 29 chapters in the TPP and counting. That covers every facet and every aspect of life here in Australia and in every country that signs this deal.</para>
<para>But we can't change a thing—not a thing. We can't do our job. As much as I feel sorry for Senator Reynolds having to answer our questions—or trying to answer our questions—what's the point? If we change this deal, the whole thing's off. We can't send it back to the House and say, 'We'd like you to amend it to remove this clause or improve this aspect or put in something that reviews this deal,' et cetera. Once it's changed—one small thing—the TPP's finished. That's because this treaty process is so corrupted. It is so desperately in need of reform. It is so anti-democratic and so dangerous. It has removed the role of parliament. I'm talking about synchronising rules and regulations across 11 countries—rules and regulations that will impact everyday citizens in those countries. And it is negotiated outside of parliament completely—by a de facto level of government. This is the power of the executive on steroids in this country. Governments and ministers are dictating outcomes in industries—and we can't change a thing. Minister, I'd like to ask some questions but I might actually allow that vote to be put and then I'll ask some other questions.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KIM CARR</name>
    <name.id>AW5</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Whish-Wilson has expressed the position quite clearly but, as I've said on other occasions, the nature of these bills is that they're not subject to amendment. We'd actually made these points in a second reading amendment which the Greens voted against, as I understand it, last night.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Let's be clear: this is a customs bill. In terms of the factual situation with regard to the agreement which the government has already signed and has agreed to, the agreement, which is itself not the subject of these bills, explicitly states at article 27.2 that there will be reviews after three years and then every five years. A review was built into the agreement before the review that is being proposed in this amendment. So, whatever complaint you have on many other things, the review process in the current stated agreement is actually superior to the proposed amendment. We will not be supporting it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I would like to address a couple of the issues raised by Senator Whish-Wilson. I again find myself in thunderous agreement with Senator Carr on this issue.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Hanson-Young</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Big surprise!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It might not happen very often but it has happened several times in the chamber today. This is one of the most comprehensively reviewed treaties ever—five parliamentary committees and 1,000 briefings across Australia, with 485 stakeholders. It has been comprehensively reviewed by this place. As Senator Carr quite rightly said: these are customs amendment bills. The debate—</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Whish-Wi</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>A rubber stamp after it's been signed!</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Again, you don't have to feel sorry for me, Senator Whish-Wilson. I appreciate the sentiment, but, please, I am very comfortable with the government's approach and explaining what the government is doing with the support of the Labor Party here in this chamber.</para>
<para>What have been the questions? We can stay here till we finish tonight or all tomorrow, answering the same questions over and over again. What I would point out is that the issues and the questions which you are asking have been asked and answered many times already. As you said, if you have more questions, I will—and I'm sure Senator Birmingham will also—happily answer those questions, but they are re-prosecutions of a fact that the treaty has occurred. You are re-prosecuting arguments that have been debated in five parliamentary inquiries and subject to extensive public consultation throughout this process. So, again, I'm very happy to keep answering the same questions, but this is a customs amendment bill. I'll just reaffirm that the government does not support any of the amendments that are currently before this chamber.</para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I would like confirmation on Senator Whish-Wilson's comments that no changes whatsoever—no paragraph or anything at all—can be changed in this. So, no amendments can be added to it. Also, I want confirmation on what the Labor Party are saying. They are saying that, if they win government next year, they intend to change the ISDS and they intend to address the workers coming into Australia. Can they do that in light of what Senator Carr said on the floor here? The review is in three or five years time. So, in light of that information, Labor cannot make any changes to this, with regard to workers coming into Australia or the ISDS, even if they are inclined to make changes to it?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Australian parliament is sovereign and can amend any piece of legislation that comes before it. However, if the legislation is amended in terms that are not compatible with the agreement negotiated, then of course Australia would not be in a position to ratify the agreement. Now, to come to other points—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Hanson</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Give a straight answer.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That is a straight answer, Senator Hanson. It's very clear. The Australian parliament can legislate whatever if it wants. If the Australian parliament, however, does not legislate in terms that are consistent with the agreement, then the agreement will not come into force with Australia as a party to it. That is a straight answer. That is a simple fact there. Yes, the agreement is negotiated between different countries. If those countries can't live up to the terms of that agreement then they aren't a party to the agreement. That's the nature of the beast.</para>
<para>Of course, countries can seek through a mutual agreement with other nations to make variations to agreements over a period of time.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>We don't believe that the agreement requires variation, and we certainly don't believe that the nation needs or deserves a Labor government. However, if the opposition were to win the next election and were to seek to negotiate with other parties in terms of reaching agreement by means of side letters or otherwise then that would be a matter for a new government and for those other nations.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BERNARDI</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I want to go back to my amendment, which is really about examining the efficacy and wisdom of this agreement once the cold light of day's come along. I note that Senator Carr made the point about three-year and five-year reviews and also that there are substantial issues with the implementation—that is won't be fully implemented until after the six years, and you want to give more time for that to take effect. But I don't see anything in what the minister has told us that would preclude this amendment from being successful, because it wouldn't actually impact on the trade agreement unless the review conducted by the government and the report to this parliament is deemed to be unsatisfactory, in which case the parliament could seek to withdraw from the TPP if it was no longer working in our interests. Minister, is that accurate?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My understanding is that Senator Bernardi's amendment isn't just to review but also that there is a sunset clause built into that review mechanism. That would be inconsistent. Let me also stress that a problem with that—and I'd have thought Senator Bernardi would appreciate this problem—is that if you have a sunset provision, which means that tariff rates and so forth return to their previous levels, you're in essence back to the point of renegotiating those terms, and you may not get such good terms the next time around as you did the first time around. What is far better in terms of the types of review mechanisms that are built into agreements of this nature is that the terms that are agreed continue as agreed but, ideally, provide those review mechanisms for an opportunity to try to get even better terms from thereon in.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BERNARDI</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I won't labour the point, but I would respectfully suggest that, while I do understand about not jeopardising favourable trade agreements, for a parliament to review and ask that it be re-endorsed prior to its expiry is not an onerous thing; in fact, it's prudent. I don't know one single commercial operator that grants a lifetime contract—actually, I do. I'll tell you who did a lifetime contract. There's a chap who got the rights to Stolichnaya vodka from the communist party in Russia and got a lifetime exclusive distribution agreement to sell Stolichnaya vodka in the United States. He made billions of dollars out of that. The Russians didn't make quite so much money. Those are the perils of a lifetime contract. He ended up being the second-largest shareholder, I think, in PepsiCo, because he sold it to Pepsi. Lifetime contracts are not a normal feature of commercial transactions. To expect an agreement that is reached in this place to continue in perpetuity is, I think, quite nonsensical and not in our long-term interest. Yet what you've suggested to me is that seeking the ratification of the parliament to continue the agreement, even if it's as structured, is somehow resetting the clock. I don't buy that, Minister.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Bernardi, your amendment would reset the clock because the sunset provision would see this legislation cease to have effect after 10 years, and the parliament of the day would then have to relegislate these matters at that point in time. It could do it beforehand. Of course, it could at any other point, beforehand or afterwards, revisit any of these terms as well. Any nation can withdraw from an agreement that it enters into. Any government could choose to do that down the track. A Labor government could potentially do it if the terms they've specified are not met, and then the parliament could jack tariffs back up again if it chose to do so. We need to remember, in terms of the nature of the amendments that we are actually debating here—the customs amendments—that is essentially the tariff rates and those tariff lines that exist.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>So, yes, a future parliament could do that. There are built-in review mechanisms as part of the TPP. But, again, nothing prevents a future government or a future parliament from saying, 'There will be a comprehensive review of the CPTPP.' That's perfectly viable and feasible for down the track.</para>
<para>What is the problem, in particular, with your amendment, is not that it layers another review on top of the built-in review mechanisms that form part of the agreement already but that it has that drop-dead sunset provision which does then create the circumstance where Australia would be noncompliant with the terms of the treaty as it's negotiated, because we would be saying that there is, built into our implementing legislation, something that puts the tariffs back up unless the parliament were to relegislate it at a later point in time. So that's the problem of the noncompliance. That then leads to the risk of renegotiation at that point in time, and renegotiation is where I believe—and I would have thought that you would believe—it is far better to start those negotiations at a point where each nation's tariff barriers are at the lowest possible point to get even better agreements than to be negotiating at a point where everybody goes back up to where they were before.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BERNARDI</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>If it makes the minister any happier, I'm happy to separate the amendment into two parts so he can support the review at six years under the ministerial guidelines that we've implemented, and we can put the sunset clause separately. I suspect it's not going to be as attractive as you've just made it out to be.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have two questions. Firstly, Senator Reynolds, you said there have been five parliamentary reviews of the TPP. I can think of two for this piece of legislation, being the JSCOT inquiry and the FADT inquiry.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Birmingham</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>There have been two separate Senate inquiries.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Okay. Can you tell us what the other three were? Let's assume you're right and there've been five inquiries. Can you confirm for the Senate that those inquiries occurred after this deal was signed? And had the text of the agreement been released so we could see it before the deal was signed? There are three very simple questions for you there.</para>
<para>Senator Birmingham, I have a couple of questions for you, too. You mentioned that, over time, countries have renegotiated elements of trade deals that they've been associated with.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Birmingham</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>They can.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>They can. I was going to ask for you some examples, especially for multilateral deals like the TPP. My understanding was that this is the biggest trade deal in history. It's probably the first multilateral deal of its time. How many times have countries gone to 10 other member countries of a multilateral trade deal and renegotiated the terms of those deals? Can you give us some examples? It's really important for us to try and understand how easy or how hard it's going to be for a future Labor government to renegotiate the TPP.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you for the question, Senator Whish-Wilson. I have already provided that information on the five parliamentary inquiries to the Senate, but I'm happy to repeat those. There were the 2016 and 2018 JSCOT inquiries, multiple Senate estimates hearings since the discussion started in 2008, and two inquiries by the Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-W</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>ILSON () (): That's different to Senate inquiries, but I'm sure I don't need to tell you that. Could you answer the next part of the question: did those inquiries occur after the deal had been signed, and had senators or any other members of parliament seen the text of those deals before they were signed?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Just to be very clear, I did say parliamentary inquiries. Again, we've had two JSCOT inquiries, two Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee inquiries, and also one Senate legislation committee inquiry, which I understand reported recently—and, yes, after the negotiations started.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>So the first one was on the TPP in the way it was originally brought to the parliament, which included the US, not on the TPP that we're dealing with today?</para>
<para> </para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Reynolds</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>If you would like, we can provide you with a time line of the inquiries and the process—if that would be of assistance.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The TEMPORARY CHAIR</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Just one moment. Senator Whish-Wilson did have the call as we were doing the transition in the chair. I'll let you conclude, and then we'll go to you, Minister.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator W</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Just to be clear, Minister, parliament was given thousands of pages of information after the deal had been signed, and none of us had seen any details of those thousands of pages until you'd actually signed them.</para>
<para>So your government, your executive, has signed these deals with your negotiators. And all the stakeholders, the hundreds of corporations and others that you deal with—</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Birmingham</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You're voting against it. That's really, really fine—</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>This is really, really important, because that is what this is about. This is why there's no transparency at all in our treaty-making process. This is why parliament is cut out of these deals. This is extremely important. This is 13 years of negotiation on, supposedly, the biggest trade and investment deal in the world that our country's ever been in, and you are treating us with contempt when we're asking you some simple questions. Shock-horror that we would actually ask you for some detail before this parliament votes and ratifies this deal!</para>
<para>I want to make it very clear to senators how the process works. Negotiations occur between member countries and between hundreds, if not thousands, of stakeholders over a long period of time. Some drafts of texts are released. Some are released on WikiLeaks, which is where we got all our information from. I was at most of those Senate estimates, Senator Reynolds, since 2012, asking DFAT for information on this, and I can tell you I got most of my information from WikiLeaks, because someone was leaking drafts of the text—but they change; they evolve. We didn't get to see anything before your government signed the agreement. You signed it on our behalf, and, when you signed it, you signed us up to every bit of detail in that trade deal. As Senator Birmingham has just said to the chamber, of course we can amend it, but, if we do, the deal's off. It's lock, stock and barrel; we can't change a thing. We can't do our jobs. What you have said here tonight, Senator Birmingham, is we can't do our job to improve this legislation. Senator Bernardi has a perfectly reasonable amendment. We can't put up any amendments to improve this bill. It is not possible, thanks to our treaty-making process—our dangerous, undemocratic, treaty-making process.</para>
<para>It's a treaty-making process, senators, that's been in place since this parliament was set up under the Westminster system. It was built not only for a different generation; it was built for a different century—and not the last century but the one before, when treaties were essentially about peace and war. They were totally different to the TPP, with its over 30 chapters and thousands of pages of complex information relating to just about every aspect of our economy and our life in this country. Yet we have the same process we've had for hundreds of years, where parliament has no say—no say. It is ratified by the Prime Minister and the executive of the day, and it's given to parliament. Those are the extraordinary powers that the executive has in relation to trade, and they are absolutely fundamental to what we need to change.</para>
<para>So I want to make it really clear here tonight that we are dealing with a totally flawed process—and you must answer our questions with detail, Minister. This is our only chance. I've got a lot more questions to come, especially on those suspended clauses that Senator Hanson-Young has already asked about and how they relate to new countries applying to get into the TPP. I understand that the UK's interested in joining the TPP, and no doubt you'll be trying to talk to Indonesia about it—if they're still talking to us after our foreign affairs faux pas today about moving our embassy in Israel. These things are extremely important. We could be de facto voting for a provision, for a TPP, that brings the US back to the table with all their toxic clauses around monopoly pricing on medicine and all the things that we fought so hard to try and knock out.</para>
<para>There is a reason, as I said yesterday in my speech in the second reading debate, that this deal took 13 years. It took 13 years because it's controversial and it's highly complex—and it's dangerous and completely undemocratic. It's completely undemocratic.</para>
<para>The TEMPORARY CHAIR: The question is that amendment (1) on sheet 8542, standing in the name of Senator Bernardi, be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
<para>Progress reported.</para>
<para> </para>
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</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>92</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Religious Freedom Review Expert Panel</title>
          <page.no>92</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>92</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS (</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>— ) ( ): by leave—I table a document relating to an order agreed to today, the order for the production of documents No. 1121, moved by Senator Rice and agreed to by the Senate.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS</title>
        <page.no>92</page.no>
        <type>PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave under standing order 190 to make a very brief personal explanation.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On 17 September, in an MPI on abortion, I inadvertently referred to a bill before the current Queensland parliament as a Greens bill. I misspoke. I know it's not a Greens bill; it is in fact a government bill. It's long overdue, and it's a bill that the Greens firmly support and hope passes, but I didn't intend to convey that it was a Greens bill. This was drawn to my attention only this afternoon, and I've now corrected the record at the earliest opportunity. I thank the chamber.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>ADJOURNMENT</title>
        <page.no>92</page.no>
        <type>ADJOURNMENT</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Cancer Funding</title>
          <page.no>92</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BILYK</name>
    <name.id>HZB</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Earlier today the Senate passed a resolution calling on the government to formally respond to the report of the Senate Select Committee into Funding for Research into Cancers with Low Survival Rates. Last month I wrote to the Minister for Health, Mr Hunt, to remind him that the government's response is well overdue and to ask when it will be forthcoming. The government is required to respond to committee reports within three months. However, this report was tabled almost a year ago, and we're still waiting for the government's response. It's simply not good enough. Each month that goes by without a response to the report sees hundreds of Australians die from cancers with low survival rates. It's a slap in the face to the researchers, the medical practitioners and the advocacy groups who have shared their insight, knowledge and experience. It's a slap in the face to the members of the committee—including government, opposition and crossbench senators—and to the secretariat, who all listened astutely to the tragic stories, processed large volumes of highly technical information and worked incredibly hard to come up with an excellent and unanimous report.</para>
<para>Most disturbingly, though, it's a slap in the face to the many cancer patients and their families, who bravely came and gave evidence. They told their very personal stories to the committee. Many of these witnesses fought back tears—in fact, some shed tears at the public hearings, and, I have to say, so did members of the committee and those watching on. They knew that giving their testimony would be difficult and painful, but they did so in the hope that cancers with low survival rates would finally be given the attention they deserve. Patients of stomach, brain, oesophageal, lung, pancreatic liver and gallbladder cancer, to name just a few, deserve some hope that the incredible advances we've seen in the survival rates of other forms of cancer, such as breast cancer or leukaemia, can be replicated in cancers with low survival rates.</para>
<para>I do acknowledge that the government have put up some important initiatives, but I also want to point out that the only action the government appear to have taken as a direct response to the inquiry is establishing the Low Survival Cancers and Diseases Grant Opportunity. If the government has responded in other ways to the report's 25 recommendations then the onus is on them to explain what they've done and how it addresses the recommendations, because there are many, many recommendations that the government has not yet addressed. Of particular importance was the recommendation that low-survival-rate cancers be identified as one of the National Health and Medical Research Council's national health priorities. To date, it hasn't.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>The committee also recommended an Australia-wide strategy to increase the survival rate for these cancers to 50 per cent by 2027. The government has not announced such a strategy or made any steps towards developing it. I've still yet to see any action from the government on improving access to clinical trials, including further streamlining ethics and government approval processes, making information on clinical trials more user friendly, facilitating innovative and flexible clinical trial design, and allowing trial participants to access patient travel subsidy schemes. All these things would make a huge difference to the lives of these people suffering low-survival-rate cancers. Granted, some of these actions require work by state and territory governments, but the Australian government needs to lead that process.</para>
<para>In that inquiry, we received over 300 submissions and we had 117 witnesses appear at the public hearings. For every patient with a low-survival cancer or every family member of a patient who participated in the inquiry, there are hundreds, if not thousands, more who could potentially benefit from the outcomes of this inquiry. They want not only to hear that these recommendations are being taken seriously by the government but to know that they've been acted upon. Patients of cancers with low survival rates are looking for hope. By failing to respond to this report, this government is denying them the hope that they so desperately seek and deserve. As I said, the government should have responded in three months. It's been another eight months. That makes 11 months—nearly a year. The government needs to do— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Morrison Government</title>
          <page.no>93</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As we get closer to the election, it becomes more and more obvious that the Prime Minister is trying to reinvent himself as a mini-Trump. After his party voted to support a white supremacist motion, he is now floating the idea of moving Australia's embassy to Jerusalem. This puts him in fine company with the far right of the Senate, with Senators Anning, Leyonhjelm and Bernardi. How deeply hollow, empty and nasty are the politics of the Liberal Party? Let's be clear: this is a deliberate strategy by the Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, to pander to the extreme right. He is the Steven Bradbury of prime ministers—the last man standing after Turnbull and Dutton publicly beat each other down. He is a man completely devoid of ideas and only understands the politics of fear and division.</para>
<para>As has been the case for more than 70 years, Palestinian people and the very concepts of justice are being sacrificed yet again for political expediency. As it stands, 191 countries don't have their embassy in Jerusalem. One country has: the United States. There is global consensus that hosting an embassy in Jerusalem legitimises Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem. If we move our embassy, let's also remove any perception that Australia has any kind of independent role or any interest in peace in the Middle East. President Trump's move has been reported to be part of a strategy to squeeze the Palestinian people to give up their rights. Meanwhile, no pressure is placed on Israel at all. In fact, it is rewarded. This is part of a broader pattern of destroying the Palestinian people. Trump cut off funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, which provides education, health care and social services to more than five million Palestinian refugees in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. Meanwhile, the United States will give $38 billion in military aid to Israel over the next 10 years. We saw Julie Bishop, as foreign minister, progressively cut off foreign assistance to Palestine, including to the World Bank's multidonor trust fund for the Palestinian Recovery and Development Program. We have seen NGO programs that seek to provide food security, livelihoods and humanitarian relief in Gaza unilaterally halted without any evidence of wrongdoing, throwing thousands of Palestinians into economic jeopardy.</para>
<para>If the Prime Minister is so keen to move the embassy to Jerusalem, he should know the reality of this for Palestinian people, and here it is. Ten thousand Palestinians born in Jerusalem have no legal status because their parents hold different ID cards and Israel will not register them.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>There are 200,000 Israelis living in illegal settlements on Palestinian land in East Jerusalem. Ninety per cent of Jerusalem's city budget is directed towards Israeli neighbourhoods, while just 10 per cent is directed to Palestinian neighbourhoods, despite it being home to 37 per cent of the population, and they are paying the same taxes. How much more humiliation are the Palestinian people meant to take? How can they compromise any further? What more can they do? The Palestinian people have been resisting for 70 years, and they will continue to resist until they get a state of their own, as they are owed under international law.</para>
<para>Scott Morrison has just a few more months left in the job until we turf him out. Who knows how many other communities he will throw under the bus in his pursuit of retaining power. This week, it's the do-anything approach to winning the seat of Wentworth. Next week, it will be another political priority that takes his fancy. But it will never be about principle or good policy, will it? With this mini wannabe Trump in charge, we can only expect more extreme, more racist, more homophobic and more transphobic signalling from this government as they get more and more desperate. It isn't going to be pretty, but there is light at the end of the tunnel because we are going to kick this mob out.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Petrie Electorate: North Lakes Resort Golf Club</title>
          <page.no>93</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KETTER</name>
    <name.id>244247</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise tonight to speak on a developing issue in my duty electorate of Petrie that has galvanised a community and spurred a local action campaign that any activist would be proud of: the potential consequences of the proposed sale of the North Lakes Resort Golf Club. In July, just three short months ago, the owner of the North Lakes Resort Golf Club announced that the club would cease operations at the end of 2019. I note the comments from the owner, Mr Simpson, in the local paper on 1 August, that the club's closure and sale is due to a lack of support from the golfing community, reflective of a national decline in golf participation. I further note the comment by Mr Simpson that he's tried for more than two years to sell the club to other potential golf course operators.</para>
<para>In announcing the closure of the golf course, Mr Simpson instead announced a proposal to sell the course to the Village Retirement Group, VRG. VRG has flagged its intention to lodge an application to council to develop part of this land. This announcement sent shock waves through the North Lakes community and the surrounding suburbs, through every local street and every local family, because this golf course and the valuable green space it provides is a hallmark of the award-winning, master-plan community that is North Lakes. This green space, the aspect and the health benefits it brings, along with its added recreational opportunities, is a key feature of the North Lakes lifestyle, a lifestyle that is now under threat.</para>
<para>Within days of the announcement that the golf course would be closing, a group of local residents banded together and the Save North Lakes Golf Course alliance was formed. Their first community rally attracted hundreds of locals, locals who had made decisions about where to live and where to raise their families, and now, understandably, feel let down by this decision. Since then, yard signs have gone up all over the place. The group has grown to around 4½ thousand followers on Facebook and garnered significant media attention. This is a remarkable grassroots campaign. I'd like to pay tribute to the group's executive and the individuals who've worked tirelessly in researching the issue, meeting with a range of community stakeholders, liaising with national and international golf associations, seeking legal and town planning advice and keeping the community informed and motivated along the way. I'd also like to commend this group for not just talking the talk but walking the walk, hosting a gala fundraising event on Saturday night. From all reports, it was a tremendous evening at the North Lakes Hotel, raising around $12,000 for Save North Lakes Golf Course's cause. I understand that a fundraising community golf day is in the works, and I look forward to hearing more about that as plans progress.</para>
<para>I also want to give recognition to another person who has been a strong advocate of the Save North Lakes Golf Course group, the federal Labor candidate for Petrie, Corinne Mulholland. Last month, Ms Mulholland travelled to Canberra to bring this issue to the attention of a number of key decision-makers, including Labor's shadow minister for the environment, Tony Burke. Ms Mulholland directly lobbied me and Mr Burke on the need to come to North Lakes and see this green space firsthand, to meet with the local residents and to talk through how we can assist the campaign at a federal level. Last Tuesday, Mr Burke and I joined Ms Mulholland to visit the golf course.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>We'd like to thank two members of the executive of the group, Andrew Cathcart and Craig Brown, for taking time out to meet with us and show us through the area. It became very clear to me why this community is so passionate about preserving this green space.</para>
<para>To be clear, I am not antidevelopment and I understand businesses needing to rethink their operations when times get tough. But, after walking around the facility, it was plain to see this land is much more than just a golf course. Although not owned by the community—and therein lies the crux of the problem—it is a valuable community asset in its current form. It's an important ecological system. Public access walkways and bikeways traverse the course, providing linkages for school students and workers and recreational opportunities for locals and visitors alike. The location of the course also helps to prevent flooding in the housing development. These factors all contribute to the lifestyle appeal.</para>
<para>It's not just the human lifestyle that's under threat. The golf course and surrounding habitat are home to many different types of fauna, including koalas and kangaroos. We've also met with the Pine Rivers Koala Care Association, who told us that this area is one of the few places where they're able to release koalas back into the wild. This habitat is a critical link in the local wildlife corridor, particularly for koalas, which must be considered in the case of any development application.</para>
<para>In response to Ms Mulholland's advocacy, I undertook to raise this issue in the Senate to capture a new level of national attention. Together we will do everything in our power to support the local North Lakes community.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>South Burnett Regional Council</title>
          <page.no>94</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I speak tonight on behalf of a number of Queensland constituents who, in good faith, signed with a developer for house and land packages in the Memerambi historical subdivision about 12 kilometres north of Kingaroy. It falls within South Burnett Regional Council. I recently wrote to the then minister for local government, Dr John McVeigh, on behalf of one constituent caught up in this, Mr Glenn Pearce. Mr Pearce has tried for years to get answers from the South Burnett council about why building approvals were given which were not in accordance with the council's own conditions. The developer, Summit View Meritor Pty Ltd, subsequently went bust, leaving the investors greatly out of pocket and their homes unfinished. Minister McVeigh acknowledged Mr Pearce's frustration, but, as he said, it is not a federal matter and he would need to engage with the relevant people in state and local government to seek those answers.</para>
<para>These constituents have tried all avenues but, despite numerous approaches, they are still seeking answers. An inquiry into the matter by the Queensland Ombudsman exonerated the council of any wrongdoing. This was substantiated after Mr Pearce requested a reassessment. As well, the Planning and Environment Court, in 2013, found no wrongdoing by the council, and representations to the Crime and Corruption Commission resulted in the CCC advising that the matter does not meet the definition of corrupt conduct. In light of this, I would call it sheer incompetence.</para>
<para>This matter has been ongoing since the developer went into liquidation in 2013, leaving Mr Pearce and others with their homes unfinished. I'm told that many homes remain so. In an effort to resolve the problem at the time, the council completed the roads and drainage works itself to allow the dwellings to be completed. The cost was charged to landowners as a special levy. These levies were tens of thousands of dollars. In Mr Pearce's case, this amounted to $37,000 added to his rates. While I acknowledge the council's efforts to sort it out, like Mr Pearce, I feel that surely someone should take some responsibility and do more to fix the problem.</para>
<para>One Nation has been endeavouring to help resolve the problem and seek some satisfaction for Mr Pearce and the others left in the lurch when the developer went into liquidation. The leader of One Nation in Queensland, the then member for Buderim, Mr Steve Dickson, has made numerous approaches to the council and to the Queensland Minister for Local Government but has been unable to broker a solution. While I acknowledge that the council has been exonerated of any corrupt conduct or wrongdoing by the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission, the Queensland Ombudsman and the Planning and Environment Court, I believe that there is a moral if not legal requirement on the council to at least be prepared to discuss a solution. Mr Pearce believes that the council is liable. He states that it granted the approvals to allow construction to commence when this went against its strict 'material change of use' conditions.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>The South Burnett Regional Council is adamant that it has done everything it can and now refuses to discuss the matter with Mr Pearce.</para>
<para>Whoever is at fault, the Memerambi estate is, to quote a recent media report, 'like a city that hasn't been completed'. Those caught up in this have been left greatly out of pocket. Mr Pearce has suffered financial, mental and emotional stress. At the end of the day, Mr Pearce and the others bought their land in good faith and have done nothing wrong. Whatever did go wrong with the council's allowing this development to go ahead, someone should be held accountable. The general public is held to account by governments for their actions, and so also should government agencies be. I call on Mrs Deb Frecklington, the local state member and leader of the Queensland opposition, to do the right thing for her constituents. I also call on the Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk to make council take responsibility, sort this out and stop the heartache being experienced by unsuspecting, innocent Queenslanders who have done no wrong. At Mr Pearce's request, I table background documents.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Hanson, you would have to seek leave to table documents.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to table the documents.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>G0D</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Is leave granted? Senator Hanson, the feedback I'm getting is that no-one has seen the documents, and it is the usual custom to circulate them to others. Leave has been denied, Senator Hanson.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Gaza Children's Art Exhibition, Gaza Children Cinema</title>
          <page.no>95</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SINGH</name>
    <name.id>M0R</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to share with the Senate an important exhibition, recently held in Hobart, that I had the honour to open, <inline font-style="italic">small moments of beauty + truth: Art inspired by the children of Gaza</inline>. <inline font-style="italic">Small </inline><inline font-style="italic">moments of beauty + truth</inline> was conceived by the curator Richard Skinner's simple idea that engaging in the world and committing to change begins with focusing on small, shared moments. This exhibition featured artwork by Gazan children that was touching and eye-opening. It was about reclaiming childhood in a harsh, harsh world. Some of them, like Farah, whose beautiful images of doves spoke of the peace and calm that people of Gaza long for, had painted about their hopes. Others, like Fatima and Iman, elicited feelings of loss, fear and hopelessness with their paintings of tank tracks and tortured prisoners.</para>
<para>The event was supported by artwork donated by local Tasmanian artists which was auctioned to raise funds for the Gaza Children Cinema. The Gaza Children Cinema was established by Ayman Qwaider, who was born and raised in Nuseirat refugee camp, one of eight refugee camps across the Gaza Strip. I had the pleasure to meet Ayman and hear him speak at the exhibition. There he walked us through the life of a Gaza resident about to turn 18. If you are turning 18 this year then you were only seven when the blockade of Gaza began. You've spent 11 years suffering for decisions made by others when you were too young to even understand them. You have witnessed multiple wars and bombing campaigns and you have lost family and friends, and this is only a small glimpse into that life; it is something we cannot truly understand.</para>
<para>It was into this world, around the Gaza refugee camps, that, in 2013, Ayman and several of his friends began taking a mobile projector and screen, showing films in open spaces and engaging children in conversations and activities. They were encouraged to draw, play out and share their feelings and experiences. Art, as we know, not only provides a creative and emotional outlet; it also encourages children to create something tangible and long-lasting. For children who struggle to talk about their feelings, art can provide another method of communicating those ideas. The Gaza Children Cinema aims to be a peaceful and creative space where kids can be kids and where the overwhelming realities of siege, loss and war can be temporarily or momentarily forgotten. Children and their families welcomed this venue of refuge and hope in an otherwise dire reality and, in 2017, the volunteers of Gaza Children Cinema held 160 screenings for thousands of children, many of whom were experiencing cinema for the very first time.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>In June, the NGO Save the Children reported that up to 95 per cent of Gazan young people demonstrated signs of deep psychological distress. For 78 per cent of them, the single biggest source of fear was the sound of warplanes. These children need our help and support in order to heal. That is why I wholeheartedly support Ayman and the Gaza Children Cinema for their exemplary work helping the children of Gaza. In that regard, I urge our Australian government to do everything it can to ensure programs like these get the financial support that they need and that the people of Palestine are not left without help nor hope.</para>
<para>Finally, I would like to thank all of the people in Hobart who joined us at Mawson's pavilion on the waterfront to support the children of Gaza. And I thank our local artists that participated, particularly those that donated artwork that was then auctioned that evening. Those included Patrick Hall, Di Allison, Dean Chatwin, Irene Briant, Belinda Hall, Julie Gough, Peter Maaseveen, Julie Monro-Alison and Paul Bailey. A special, special thank you to Ayman Qwaider and Samya Jabbour for keeping the Gaza Children Cinema alive. I think through their work we can learn so much about how, with small moments of beauty and truth, we can indeed support the children in Gaza so that they can have a brighter future, a future through cinema that gives them hope and that lifts their spirits in the hope that one day that there will be a peaceful future for them in which to live.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Climate Change</title>
          <page.no>96</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator LINES</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise tonight to speak about something the government clearly doesn't want to speak about—that is, the IPCC report. I started reading the report last week, and I have to say it's a stark report. The report starkly and graphically outlines the world we face with the prospect of exceeding a 1.5 degrees Celsius temperature rise by 2040—not too far away. At 1.5 degrees, we lose between 70 and 90 per cent of the world's warm coral reefs, on top of what we've lost to date. There will be more extreme hot days and more extreme droughts. At 1.5 degrees, we will see the consequences of climate related risks to our health, livelihood, food security, water supply, human security and economic growth. This change will disproportionately affect those living in the Third World and along the Pacific.</para>
<para>Our Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, and his divided Liberals have absolved themselves from any responsibility in tackling climate change. Yet the government's own data, released secretly one Friday night, shows they will fail, despite what they say in this place and other places, to meet their already-inadequate Paris targets, with pollution rising all the way to 2030. I think you'd have to say that our environment minister, Minister Melissa Price, the member for Durack in my state, was wishfully thinking when she said on radio:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I just don't know how you could say by 2050 that you're not going to have technology that's going to enable good, clean technology when it comes to coal.</para></quote>
<para>There's no scientific proof of that; that's wishful thinking, and, actually, from a minister, it is irresponsible talk. Ms Price went on to say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Coal does form a very important part of the Australian energy mix.</para></quote>
<para>Of course, whenever we talk about climate change, and, indeed, when the IPCC releases a report that covers the world, it's funny how the Liberals here always just boil it back down to coal. That was coming from a minister, of course, who worked in the mining industry. It was also from a minister who sat on her own report from the Department of the Environment and Energy on Australia's national greenhouse gas emissions for seven weeks. But we know the government's got form for sitting on controversial reports. Of course, the report revealed that Australia had the highest levels of carbon pollution since 2011 in the second quarter of this year, but you won't hear that from those opposite.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>By contrast, whilst the Liberals have given in to their hard Right and will continue to wage their anti-science, anti-renewables and anti-climate-change agenda, Labor will not shirk our responsibility to future generations. We've committed to 50 per cent renewables by 2030, a 45 per cent cut in emissions by 2030—and that was on 2005 levels—and net zero emissions by 2050. Labor's targets will cut pollution and bring down power prices, and we will transition Australia to a clean economy with good, new, stable jobs, innovation and lower energy costs.</para>
<para>It's really time that Australians had a government that cares about the same issues they care about. We know Australians are overwhelmingly not climate deniers, unlike many of those in the government. We know they support and want to see action on climate change. Sadly, they will not see it from Prime Minister Morrison or whoever leads them to the next election. Only a Shorten Labor government will deliver. We will deliver on the commitments that we've made, because we know it works. Let's bring on the election so that we finally get an energy policy that works in this country.</para>
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          <title>Discrimination Free Schools Bill 2018</title>
          <page.no>97</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Discrimination Free Schools Bill 2018</span>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>For lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex and queer Australians and their families, the last week has been a bit of a replay of this time last year when we were in the midst of the marriage equality postal survey. It's been a bit of deja vu in the worst way possible. Over the last week we've seen a national debate play out in the media once again, with politicians, commentators and lobbyists debating the rights of LGBTIQ+ people in this country. This time round we're debating whether religious schools should be able to expel students or fire teachers and staff members just because of who they are.</para>
<para>Time and time again LGBTIQ+ Australians have been treated like political footballs by conservative politicians and their supporters, who put us in the firing line in order to shore up their conservative base. Well, I'm sick of hearing my community being talked about as if we are some kind of other. It's time we heard from the actual people affected by these debates and the disgraceful legalised discrimination. A future stepmother of five kids who is engaged to her same-sex partner spoke out this week, saying:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I teach at a conservative Catholic primary school. I am constantly afraid that someone will find out and that I will lose my job. I am the main income earner and my employment is incredibly important. I worry that I will lose my job. I worry that my employer won't give me a good reference if she finds out. This could affect my future employment opportunities. I feel like a criminal and I have done nothing wrong.</para></quote>
<para>It's hard to believe that it's even being suggested that these discriminations have any basis for being upheld. Another prospective parent said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I have been experiencing insomnia and a lot of anxiety based on the government's willingness to use queer children and children of queer parents as political pawns, sacrificing the mental and emotional health of our young people to satisfy the religious right.</para></quote>
<para>A mum of kids at a Catholic school said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I have a child in grade 6 at a Catholic primary school. His teacher is the most amazing woman and has taught my son to absolutely come out of his shell this year. Two years ago she taught my daughter in grade one. The teacher was her greatest supporter when she wanted to change the Catholic girls uniform to pants, so my sporty daughter felt more comfortable to be herself. Yet this teacher can't be herself because the school system won't accept her for her.</para></quote>
<para>I thank all of the LGBTIQ+ people who have courageously shared their stories and entrusted me to share them with the parliament tonight.</para>
<para>The Greens have been fighting for years to end the exemptions allowing religious schools to expel LGBTIQ+ students and fire LGBTIQ+ teachers. These exemptions were carve-outs that Labor wrote into our antidiscrimination laws, so it's good now to know that Labor have joined the Greens in saying they will oppose these legal discriminations.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>And it is so heartwarming to hear that the overwhelming majority of Australians oppose this kind of discrimination. It's only because of this intense community pressure that both the Labor and the Liberal parties changed their positions in the last week. This afternoon, Prime Minister Morrison said that we must act right now and that we can deal with this once and for all. Well, Prime Minister, right now we have an opportunity to remove these unfair discrimination exemptions once and for all.</para>
<para>Today, the Greens introduced our bill to remove these exemptions from our federal antidiscrimination laws. Our bill would remove exemptions not just for students at religious schools but for teachers and other staff members as well. And it would work to protect students, teachers and staff members not just on the basis of their sexuality but on their gender identity. It was absolutely appalling today that a member of this place refused leave to allow Senator Hinch to amend his motion that was calling for an end to discrimination in schools to include gender identity. Senator Hinch had overlooked gender diverse people in his motion and was absolutely keen to fix this when I pointed it out to him, yet he was refused leave to do so. Actions like these are a kick in the guts to gender-diverse people. They are shocking evidence of the level of transphobia that still exists in parts of Australian society and evidence of the prejudice, the stigma and the denial that trans people even exist. Actions like these epitomise the struggles that trans and gender-diverse people continue to face just to be accepted for who they are. It's a continuation of the appalling attacks that they faced during the marriage equality debate.</para>
<para>Trans, gender-diverse and non-binary people have been hardly mentioned in the public debate over the last fortnight. We must ensure that trans and gender-diverse students cannot be expelled based on their gender identity and that trans and gender-diverse staff members aren't able to be fired. It's time for both the Labor and the Liberal parties to turn their words into action and vote for the Greens bill to protect students, teachers and staff from being expelled or fired from religious schools because of who they are. I call on both the Prime Minister and the opposition leader to support the Greens bill and to work with us in good faith. Together we can end this unfair discrimination once and for all.</para>
<para>Moving on to the I in the LGBTIQ acronym, today my Greens colleagues and I were fortunate enough to sit down with members of our intersex community, representatives from Intersex Human Rights Australia, the AIS Support Group Australia and A Gender Agenda, to listen to and reflect on their lived experience. Their visit to parliament was in recognition of Intersex Awareness Day Friday next week. Their stories were incredibly powerful. We heard stories from people born with variations in sex characteristics who experienced horrific and invasive non-essential surgeries and medical procedures as infants, children and adults. We heard stories of families with intersex infants, children and adolescents not being given accurate information and not being offered options that respect the bodily integrity of their children. And we heard stories of intersex people not being offered referrals to peer support groups that would help them to feel less alone and enable them to connect up with others in their situation. What's more, we heard that this isn't the reality of 30 or 40 years ago but the reality of people born with intersex variations today. Human rights violations are perpetrated against intersex infants, children and adolescents in Australian hospitals today, and the structures of consent are simply non-existent.</para>
<para>Today we were also presented with copies of the Darlington Statement, a joint consensus statement by Australian and Aotearoa/New Zealand intersex organisations. The statement outlines what needs to happen to ensure that the human rights of people born with intersex variations are protected, and it outlines a way forward for intersex people to thrive. The statement calls for legal protections for unnecessary medical interventions, together with effective oversight, standards of care and resourcing for peer support and systemic advocacy, because the reality is that intersex peer support remains largely unfunded and advocacy funding remains precarious and limited.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>The few intersex-led organisations rely solely on volunteers to address the many gaps in services left by other well resourced health, social services and human rights organisations. This is not good enough.</para>
<para>One of the most powerful things I heard today was a quip that the I in LGBTI stands for invisible, and in some respects it's true. The representatives I met with are so incredibly hardworking, but they are desperately underresourced and urgently need more support to continue the important work that they do. My Greens colleagues and I are committed to working towards a future where the parliament works with peer-led intersex organisations, advocates, human rights experts and health professionals to recognise and respect the human rights and dignity of all people with variations of sex characteristics. I implore the government to do the same. Please, listen to and take note of our intersex community, and please affirm and implement the Darlington Statement and its recommendations. It's so important that you do this. The intersex community's wellbeing depends on it.</para>
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          <title>Disability Support Pension</title>
          <page.no>98</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>20:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
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  <para>Tonight I rise to speak on the Liberal government's 2015 changes to the medical assessment process for those applying for the disability support pension, which I will refer to as the DSP from now on. The National Social Security Rights Network's report <inline font-style="italic">Disability Support Pension (DSP) Project: A snapshot of DSP client experiences of claims and assessments since the 2015 changes</inline>was released earlier this year and looks at the impact changing the medical assessment processes has had on the DSP claimants. The findings are derived from a casework snapshot analysis of DSP client experiences of claims and assessments from one of the National Social Security Rights Network's member centres, Basic Rights Queensland Inc. The snapshot included 22 clients who appealed to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, commonly known as the ATT, after the Department of Human Services decided to reject their DSP claims.</para>
<para>The two key changes to the medical assessment process occurred in 2015. The first was the removal of the treating doctor's report, which initially only applied to new claimants under 35 living in metropolitan areas, but was later extended to all new claimants. This was a medical report form for treating health professionals, which was designed to extract the specific medical information relevant to assessing medical qualifications for the DSP. Treating health professionals were able to claim under a Medicare item for completing the report when done during consultation. By removing the treating doctor's report it made it more difficult for claimants, and treating health professionals, to understand what information to provide to support a claim. Another consequence was that suitable claimants were less likely to be successful due to the greater reliance on raw medical evidence to address DSP eligibility.</para>
<para>Of the 22 clients included in the snapshot 17 of them were successful in their appeal to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. As the report says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Most of these claimants who were successful on appeal were able to persuade the AAT of their DSP medical eligibility on the basis of additional evidence obtained after the decision of the Authorised Review Officer (ARO) and after the claimant sought legal advice.</para></quote>
<para>The second key change was the introduction of the disability medical assessment. The requirement for a second medical review by a government contracted doctor for those under 35 years of age and living in metropolitan areas. The disability medical assessment occurred only when the job capacity assessors had determined that a person was medically eligible for the DSP. Again, this was eventually extended to all new DSP claimants. This additional step has seen an increase in the claim assessment time.</para>
<para>The snapshot included four clients who were referred for a disability medical assessment, which generally occurred within two months of the job capacity assessment in those cases. The report highlights instances of the direct medical assessment being undertaken without proper consideration of the claimant's impairments, resulting in DSP claims being rejected, only to be overturned on appeal.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>It should be noted that the government introduced changes to the medical assessment process in mid-2017, specifically the pilot of a new streamlined process which includes the introduction of a new questionnaire and the bringing forward of assessments of medical eligibility. While the report says that the new guide and questionnaire for claimants and treating health professionals go some way to addressing their concerns, it also says that the issues raised by their casework data remain relevant to the newly introduced process. Furthermore, the report provides numerous recommendations which cover better communications with DSP claimants, improvements in medical assessment, the appeals process and the date of being deemed eligible, improvements to the program of support and, finally, a requirement for the Department of Social Services and the Department of Human Services to regularly publish comprehensive data about the DSP program.</para>
<para>The National Social Security Rights Network produced a second report, a member centre survey, on the experiences of clients when claiming DSP. It further explored the impact of the 2015 changes, which I have just talked about. This report is a representation of 100 responses to the survey of member centre clients on their DSP claim experience post these changes in 2015. There were 79 respondents who made claims between 2015 and mid-2017. The survey also included clients who made a claim for DSP after 1 June 2017, when the so-called streamlined claims pilot was announced. There were 21 responses received from clients who claimed the DSP after that date. The survey was conducted in October last year and it assumed that the streamlined claims process was introduced across the board for all DSP claimants after 1 June.</para>
<para>The survey asked questions about how clients were guided in making their claims if they had provided their treating health professionals with information on claims for DSP and if they had encountered any obstacles in getting the medical evidence. The survey responses show that 71 per cent of respondents did not pass on Centrelink information guides to their doctors. The report explains that due to the removal of the treating doctor's report there was less information available for clients to actually pass on. Interestingly, 16 of those respondents who claimed for DSP after the new questionnaire was introduced as part of the streamlined process indicated that they did not provide any information guides or a checklist to their doctors. As a percentage, that is 76.19 per cent of this group of respondents, which is slightly higher than the 71 per cent of all respondents. With regard to access to medical evidence, the respondents had the options of 'very easy', 'easy', 'neither easy nor difficult', 'very difficult' and 'not applicable'. The option with the highest number of responses was 'very difficult' with 29, followed very closely by 'difficult' with 28 responses. The weighted average of the responses was 3.74, which was between the options of 'neither easy nor difficult' and 'difficult'.</para>
<para>While the National Social Security Rights Network thought the new questionnaire would remove the additional burden on clients of pursuing additional evidence such as written reports to support their claims, the survey results indicate that there has been no major change, as the weighted average of responses only dropped to 3.4. As the report says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… our survey results show that there has been no significant change in the perception of the ease or difficulty in obtaining medical evidence after the streamlined process was introduced.</para></quote>
<para>The Australian Greens call on the government to read these reports and take action to improve the claims and assessment processes for DSP claimants. We also encourage the government to evaluate any further changes to ensure that they yield more positive results for this group of people. The government has been taking a series of measures that significantly impact on those people who are either on DSP or applying for DSP. It is clear that the streamlined process hasn't been as helpful as the government thought it might be and that people have been facing serious barriers to claiming the DSP.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Given that 17 of the 22 actually took an appeal to the AAT, I wondered as I was reading this report how accurately people were being assessed for the DSP. I also wondered what result we would see if everybody whose application for the DSP had been rejected sought to take that decision to the AAT. I strongly believe that we would see a hell of a lot more people get the finding overturned and have access to the DSP.</para>
<para>The process was designed to make things much more difficult for people who were applying for the DSP, and, in fact, the government has achieved that objective. That does not reflect the need in the community of people with disability to have access to the DSP. You will see a number of speeches by me in this place in the future on this issue because I am seriously concerned about how people with disability are accessing the DSP and the supports that they aren't getting in terms of being able to have quality of life.</para>
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          <title>People with Disability</title>
          <page.no>100</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>20:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator MOORE</name>
    <name.id>00AOQ</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This week I met with representatives from CBM Australia, which is a wonderful organisation. It is an international Christian development organisation committed to improving the quality of life of people with disabilities in poor communities around the world, whether it is in one of our cities in Australia or—their special focus—in the Pacific. This extraordinary group of people have worked in partnership with people with disabilities, non-government organisations, government and international agencies to genuinely empower people with disabilities to achieve their human rights and participate fully in society. They regularly come to Canberra and they often have forums which allow parliamentarians to meet with them and focus particularly on how we can have a genuinely inclusive international development program. This week they were particularly focusing on the fact that this is the time when we look at the impact of poverty across our world and it is also the same week—because there is a limit to how many weeks there are in the calendar—when we look at issues around deafness in our community. And that was important, because what they came to see me about was how we could combine our consideration of these two very important elements in this place and in our work.</para>
<para>We all know that, in 2015, world leaders gathered at the United Nations to address some of the most complex issues faced by the global community—absolutely centrally, how the world was going to address poverty, inequality, discrimination and environmental degradation amongst other things—and to propose together a new pathway towards a more sustainable, equitable and prosperous future. The end result, after years of consultation, was the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, which has set out the 17 goals which we've talked about in this place and 169 targets to measure progress and to ensure absolutely—and this is the key message of the 2030 agenda—that we leave no-one behind.</para>
<para>Through this whole process, people with disabilities assembled in our communities in Australia and also internationally to make their presence known and to ensure that they were not left out of the SDG agenda. During the preceding period of time, in the MDGs, the Millennium Development Goals, which drove the global development efforts from 2000 until 2015, disability was not mentioned at all and the people across the world who were interested and engaged in issues around disability identified this. They kept their voices in the conversations to ensure that, when the world was looking at evaluating what had happened through the MDG process—and there were advances; the issues around poverty were addressed—they would not go unheard in whatever the world came to agree to in the future.</para>
<para>As a result, in 2015, UN members and observers alike agreed together that people with disabilities were disproportionately represented among those who had been left behind and registered grave concern that:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… people with disabilities … continue to be subject to multiple, aggravated and intersecting forms of discrimination.</para></quote>
<para> </para>
<para>The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development does contain 11 specific references to people with disabilities across five goals and features an overarching commitment, as I have said, to ensure that those 17 mainstream goals are implemented for all. This is the commitment; this is what Australia signed up to.</para>
<para>This year, we made our first voluntary report to the UN—which is publicised across Australia and internationally—about what we have been doing across the 17 goals, and, within that, there has been a focus on people with disabilities. In fact, through the international development process, we are actually working on our commitment, through DFAT, to the Development for All 2015-2020: Strategy for strengthening disability-inclusive development in Australia's aid program. We are now moving towards the evaluation of that strategy for what is going to happen next. That strategy builds on our experience in implementing the Australian government's first strategy for disability-inclusive development, which helped to establish Australia as a strong voice globally in this area.</para>
<para>At this time, as always, I want to acknowledge the extraordinary work done in this area by Bob McMullan, who was the Parliamentary Secretary for International Development Assistance in the Rudd government and was the person whose commitment, strength and energy ensured that the international development program was developed at that time, through the Rudd-Gillard governments, and was the basis of formulating where we were going when we had the large review of our aid program. The government acknowledged that there was an opportunity and, in fact, an absolute responsibility to have an inclusive international development policy. That was developed early on under that government, from 2009 and throughout that period. When this current strategy was launched by then Minister Bishop, she acknowledged the work that had been done in that period with organisations such as CBM Australia and assured us that we were going to absolutely have that as one of the processes in our international development program.</para>
<para>So, having gone through that, in moving towards 2030 with our international development agenda we have the tools to guide all of us on that collective journey—and the 2030 agenda provides a road map. That's the kind of language that's used; we are on a 'journey' and we have a 'road map' for where we are hoping to get to, which is a world that leaves no-one behind. The United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, the CRPD, provides the instruction manual to ensure that the world we create along the way is genuinely inclusive of all people. Using those frameworks in Australia and in the international arena gives us the opportunity to ensure that all those at risk or experiencing existing disadvantage, such as the deaf community—as we were talking about this evening—are part of the process and, most particularly, will not be left behind.</para>
<para>One of the joys of working in this area is meeting people who have real-life experience. I know that term can be overused. But being involved in international development means you hear people's stories that remind you why international development is so important. Tonight I want to mention just one of the stories from CBM. They have a wonderful publication called <inline font-style="italic">Leave no one behind</inline>. The story is about Kwemal, who is 55, and Maina, who is 24, a mother and daughter living in Vanuatu. Both are deaf. Like most countries in the Pacific, Vanuatu has no formal or shared sign language. That creates a real communication problem for people. They actually have their own way as family members, but how do such people genuinely become part of the wider society? Maina says she feels happiest when she's with family and friends and playing football. She really wants to go back to school—because education, as we all know, is the real basis for providing people with genuine opportunities in their lives and development in their communities. CBM are working in Vanuatu to see if they can establish networks so there can be an acknowledgement of this and an education program around communication.</para>
<para>We have such strength in Australia in terms of our professionalism and skills in this space, and still people feel isolated. But just imagine the level of disadvantage and isolation when it is compounded by living in a country in the Pacific that has no strategy or system in place to ensure that people can communicate and have access to wider social networks.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>This is an integral part of the international development program that we are part of now in our government program through until 2020 and also part of our commitment to the Sustainable Development Goals through to 2030.</para>
<para>This week we need to think about these opportunities and think about the people. These are not statistics; they are people. I genuinely believe that, as we evaluate the program that we are involved in now until 2020, we need to plan for the next round of development for all so that the issues that have been identified in countries like Vanuatu for people like Kwemal and Maina, and their needs, can be addressed. The fact that we can share knowledge and professionalism and we can open the door to greater opportunities in communication fulfils what I think the expectations of all of us must be—that is, a world where no-one is left behind.</para>
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          <title>Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement</title>
          <page.no>102</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>20:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ANNING</name>
    <name.id>273829</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
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  <para>In 1975 the Whitlam government signed the United Nations Industrial Development Organization's Lima declaration. The intent of this was to develop Third World countries by transferring industry from advanced nations to them and then buying back the products they produced. This declaration reads like a statement of intent to wreck Western manufacturing, because that is exactly what it was. Thanks to this declaration and the subsequent trade agreements based on principles it espoused, manufacturing in Australia has been effectively destroyed. Even agriculture has been seriously undermined. When Whitlam came to power, around a quarter of the Australian workforce was employed in traditional manufacturing. Today it is only just over seven per cent. Most of these are in food processing.</para>
<para>In 1970, with a population of around 12 million, Australia had around 300,000 farmers. Today, with a population of 25 million, we are down to fewer than 125,000. Our population has doubled while our number of farmers has halved. Formerly we made our own televisions, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, kitchen appliances, cars and trucks. We made steel and aluminium and all the products made from them. We had a large chemical industry and we refined our own petroleum. We grew and harvested all the food we needed, and exported enough to feed several additional countries.</para>
<para>Now we make almost nothing ourselves, and even much of the food we eat is needlessly sourced from overseas and simply packaged in Australia. As a result of deliberate government trade policy post Lima, successive Liberal and Labor governments sold out Australian industries and workers by specifically agreeing to transfer all our manufacturing to Third World countries. Almost every move to liberalise trade since that date has led to a net transfer of jobs and industry away from Australia, and the current TPP is just the final nail in the coffin.</para>
<para>But socialists weren't alone in supporting the jobs and industry transfer away from Australia. Giant transnational corporations supported this too, since taking jobs away from decently paid Aussie workers and employing Third World semi-slaves instead made them a fortune. Maybe that is why both Labor and Liberals agree on these kinds of Aussie-job-destroying trade deals, because both international socialists and transnational capitalists benefit from them.</para>
<para>Like all other Lima inspired trade deals, the TPP agreement currently being spruiked by the Morrison government will allow foreign multinationals the right to dictate terms to our government regarding rules and regulations. The TPP will see Australia's sovereignty further eroded. This agreement will allow cheap foreign goods from countries with historically bad safety regulations to flood the Australian market. In return for generous concessions, like the promise that Mexico may cut tariffs on Australian milk by one per cent in 15 years time, the TPP will steal thousands of jobs from hardworking Australians and hand them to foreigners happy to work 12-hour days for a handful of cold rice and a little rat meat.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>Ever since the Whitlam era we have seen a Liberal-Labor consensus in favour of globalism, foreign ownership, the export of jobs and the import of cheap foreign labour. However, anyone who tries to convince you that Australia can continue as a sovereign nation without manufacturing, construction and agriculture is delusional.</para>
<para>US President Donald Trump had the foresight and courage to remove the United States from this agreement, declaring that he is putting America first. President Trump said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The Trans-Pacific Partnership is another disaster done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country.</para></quote>
<para>The fact is that whatever extra profits and taxes big corporations and big government can glean from agreements such as the TPP, the big losers are Australian workers and farmers. I say it's time politicians started putting Australia first. As the great Sir Robert Menzies stated in his famous 'The forgotten people' speech:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Individual enterprise must drive us forward. That does not mean we are to return to the old and selfish notions—</para></quote>
<para>which include putting foreign corporate profits before the jobs of Australian workers.</para>
<para>Just as I outlined in my maiden speech, Katter's Australian Party and I are the only political movement that offer a coherent and comprehensive alternative to the prevailing antinationalist consensus of the Liberal and Labor Parties. Instead of transnational corporate exploitation and international socialist sovereignty transfer, KAP offers a rejection of globalism and a return to putting Australia first. The KAP alternative is focused on redeveloping Australia, returning manufacturing work to Australia and restoring the importance of agriculture to an honoured profession and way of life.</para>
<para>That the Liberal Party has strayed so far from Menzies' vision that they are prepared to abandon Aussie workers and farmers is a profound indictment. That the Labor Party—the once-great party of the nation's working class—should support another attack on the jobs and conditions of Aussie workers is shameful. It shows just how far Whitlam's bourgeois internationalist socialist agenda has carried Labor away from its nationalist roots. My party, KAP, and I represent primarily nationalist workers and farmers—the hard hats the hard hands. The KAP team embraces the heritage and legacy of the Menzies era and that of Curtin and Chifley. We represent the pre-Whitlam consensus supporting traditional Judeo-Christian values, orderly marketing in agriculture, rebuilding of Australian manufacturing, regional infrastructure development and restoration of social cohesion by asserting our European ethnic identity. In contrast to the Third World folks of the international socialists and transnational global capitalists, our vision is a comprehensive and well-developed national alternative—a genuine third way.</para>
<para>It's time for us to reject job-stealing international agreements like the TPP, to repudiate leftist UN treaties that undermine our democratic government, like the Lima Declaration, and put Australia first. It's time we had a government that had the courage and strength to unapologetically defend Australia's interests as a sovereign European nation. Thank you.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>E-cigarettes</title>
          <page.no>103</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>20:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GEORGIOU</name>
    <name.id>269583</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I would like to talk about what I believe is a crooked business that has the blessing of the government and the medical profession. At the same time, it is generating billions of dollars for government coffers, and all the do-gooders are happy to turn a blind eye. I am talking about smoking in Australia, where cigarette prices are the highest in the world. A pack-a-day smoker will spend up to $10,000 a year just to sustain his addiction.</para>
<para>So, let me cut to the chase. For those who are not aware, electronic cigarettes, otherwise known as e-cigarettes, don't contain tobacco and don't involve the burning of any substance. Instead, e-cigarette products are fuelled with the liquid that often, but not always, contains nicotine.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>A small heating element inside the device turns the liquid into vapour, which is then inhaled through a mouthpiece. There is no combustion, so there is no smoke. This is what is known as vaping, not smoking. This device is powered by a small battery.</para>
<para>Smoking through a device is different to lighting up, and it sure is a lot cheaper. Vaping costs around $1,500 a year, compared to the $10,000 smokers are paying for cigarettes. According to ATHRA, the Australian Tobacco Harm Reduction Association, three million people in Australia smoke; 2.4 million on a daily basis. Let's keep this number in perspective, given that our population has now hit 25 million people. From 2001 until now, the number of Aussies who smoke has fallen from 20 per cent to 12.8 per cent. In the same time frame, the level of excise duty generated from tobacco sales has increased from $4.5 billion to more than $12 billion this year, and is set to jump to $17 billion in 2029-20. However, a recent WA Department of Health survey found that the national smoking rate has not fallen from 2013 to 2016. The smoking rate in Western Australia had, in fact, flatlined for those four years.</para>
<para>So, how effective has the price-gouging been on the health of our fellow Australians? The number of vapers or people who use e-cigarettes is around 300,000. According to a poll conducted by the Australian Retailers Association, 61 per cent of Australians supported the legalisation of vaping and e-cigarettes. I do note that this was an online survey canvassing 1,200 adults. Last month, the CSIRO released a study confirming that e-cigarettes assisted smokers in quitting. ATHRA said that switching from smoking to e-cigarettes was likely to improve health and reduce exposure to further harmful chemicals and toxins. Moreover, the CSIRO report said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">When e-cigarettes are used by smokers instead of conventional cigarettes there is evidence for improvement in individual health …</para></quote>
<para>It went on to say that the most common reason for using e-cigarettes was to quit or reduce smoking, and that smokers preferred to quit using e-cigarettes instead of other established quitting methods.</para>
<para>If we look overseas, we see that Canada has now legalised vaping. It is the same in the UK and New Zealand, where it has all been legalised. The UK health department says e-cigarettes could be contributing to at least 20,000 successful new quits per year, and possibly more. Of course, the opponents of this, such as the AMA, claim that vaping and e-cigarettes are a gateway to smoking for non-smokers and teenagers. Funnily enough, it was only last week that I received a letter from the AMA warning of the threat faced by society from tobacco companies and the so-called sneaky ways they were adopting to influence public policy and public opinion. I find this attitude very hypocritical. We are smoking less but we are paying way more tax. I don't hear the AMA jumping up and down about how the government of the day should be spending its tobacco generated revenue. I think the talk about vaping being a gateway for non-smokers is, at best, alarmism.</para>
<para>If we as a nation are genuine in our bid to help people reduce their smoking, why don't we encourage this option? The fact that the sale of liquid nicotine for e-cigarettes is banned in Australia is puzzling. Most people probably don't even know that it's illegal to buy liquid nicotine. Ironically, it's perfectly legal to import it from overseas, from countries like China, where we don't even know what we're getting. Is the government more concerned about its coffers drying up if people switch to vaping? The vaping industry actually generates $2 billion for the national economy but, for some reason, we seem more concerned about slugging smokers as much as we can to fatten up the government's coffers.</para>
<para> </para>
<para>As a nation, we are more concerned about generating easy revenue to compensate for the lack of vision successive governments have been guilty of when it comes to not having a viable industry. Do we genuinely have the interests of Australians at heart and the concerted public policy to reduce tobacco harm and pave the way for a healthier way of living? Australia must come of age. Australia must move into the 21st century and give vaping a go.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Federal Courts</title>
          <page.no>104</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>20:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I wish to address some important issues concerning the Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee's current inquiry into the provisions of the Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia Bill 2018 and the Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2018. I will just state up-front that Centre Alliance does not have a position on the proposal to merge the Family Court and the Federal Circuit Court, but I do hold a very strong view that any such reform decision cannot be made without due process being followed and making sure that all possible evidence is brought before the committee and has been collected and considered. This is the reason I sought to ensure that the committee had time to receive submissions and would only hold hearings after submissions were received. Of course, that has delayed the implementation of the reform. However, it must be recognised that the former Attorney-General, Senator Brandis, floated this idea almost three years ago. Had the government wanted it to happen before 2019, it would have been wise to introduce the legislation in the parliament well before it did. I make no apology for slowing the committee inquiry stage down. Indeed, I thank the Senate for its support in assisting this to occur.</para>
<para>That brings me to the next important element of due process, and that is encouraging well-informed submissions and calling for well-informed witnesses to appear before the inquiry hearings. I put it to this chamber that that means we need to encourage submissions from judges and justices and the committee needs to hear from judges and justices. Unfortunately, there seems to be a misguided shyness here in the Senate about calling judicial officers and, indeed, some misunderstanding within the judiciary on what their role is in assisting the Senate. In a move described by some commentators as highly unusual, I recently emailed every Family Court and Federal Circuit Court judge, urging them to make individual submissions to the current Senate inquiry. In that email, I referred to the wisdom of the US Supreme Court in the 1927 case of McGrain v Daugherty, in which the justices of that court said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">A legislative body cannot legislate wisely or effectively in the absence of information respecting the conditions which the legislation is intended to affect or change; and where the legislative body does not itself possess the requisite information—which not infrequently is true—recourse must be had to others who possess it.</para></quote>
<para>I stated that few people have more knowledge about the strength and weaknesses of the current federal court structure or the proposed changes before the Senate than, of course, the judges and justices that work inside the system. Whilst it's likely that the Family Court will make corporate submissions and also that the Federal Circuit Court will, I stated that such a submission alone would rob the Senate of the rich and raw input it needs to decide whether the proposed legislation, with or without amendment, would best serve the citizenry.</para>
<para>I have read enough judgments to know that unity of opinion within the judiciary is uncommon. Indeed, former Chief Justice Dixon, regarded by some as Australia's greatest jurist, reputedly said, 'I never agreed in anyone else's judgement without later coming to regret it.' Lord Bingham of Cornhill, considered the greatest British jurist of his generation, contended, 'Judicial independence involves independence from one's colleagues.'</para>
<para> </para>
<para>In seeking this diversity of opinion from those who know the system best, the esteemed recipients, I am reminded in my email that the <inline font-style="italic">Guide to Judicial Conduct</inline>, published under the authority of the Council of the Chief Justices and Australia and New Zealand, states:</para>
<quote><para class="block">It is appropriate for a judge to make a submission or give evidence at such an inquiry—</para></quote>
<para>Being a parliamentary inquiry—</para>
<quote><para class="block">if care is taken to avoid confrontation or the discussion of matters of a political rather than a legal nature, but prior consultation with the head of the jurisdiction is desirable.</para></quote>
<para>It goes on to say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Again, the expertise or experience of a judge can be of great assistance in the examination of issues relating to legal or procedural matters.</para></quote>
<para>Furthermore it says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">As long as discretion is exercised, this should not detract from the independence of the judiciary from the legislative and executive branches of government.</para></quote>
<para>Whilst my email may have been highly unusual it was most certainly not out of order. Judges and justices can and should make submissions to the inquiry and they should appear before the committee.</para>
<para>I'd like to hear from current judges inside the Federal Circuit Court. I'd like to hear from judges in the original jurisdiction of the Family Court. I'd like to hear from judges in the appeal division of the Family Court. Indeed, I'd like to hear from the Family Court of Western Australian justices that sit and hear family law matters. I'd like to hear from the Federal Court justices that may end up being responsible for appeals from the FCC or from the new division 1 and division 2 courts of the new arrangement. I'd like to hear from judicial officers who serve in small registries. I'd like to hear from judicial officers who hear in large registries and perhaps even some retired justices to add their opinions to the committee.</para>
<para>If we don't hear from these judicial officers the Senate will be cheated and the public will be cheated. I know there is resistance to this idea within the senior echelons of the judiciary, but just as the Senate respects the constitutional independence of the courts in their exercise of judicial power the court should respect and assist the Senate in the exercise of its legislative power. There is no constitutional impediment to judges making submissions or appearing and, as alluded to before, there is no judicial conduct impediments to making submissions or appearing either. The failure of judicial officers to attend will blind the committee and may even jeopardise the reform plans of the government. So, with that in mind, I call on the Attorney-General, and the respective chief justices of the courts that are involved, to encourage judges and justices to assist the Senate in its responsibility of considering this legislation. Thank you.</para>
<para>Senate adjourned 20:43</para>
</speech>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>105</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Tabling</title>
          <page.no>105</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Tabling</title>
          <page.no>105</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo></subdebate.1></debate>
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