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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">The SPEAKER (</span>
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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">Milton Dick</span>
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  <para>I present report No. 19 of the Selection Committee relating to the consideration of committee and delegation business, and private members' business on Monday, 13 November 2023. The report will be printed in the <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline> for today and the committee's determinations will appear on tomorrow's <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline>. Copies of the report have been placed on the table.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The report read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Report relating to the consideration of committee and delegation business and of private Members' business</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1. The Committee met in private session on Tuesday, 17 October 2023.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2. The Committee deliberated on items of committee and delegation business that had been notified, private Members' business items listed on the Notice Paper and notices lodged on Tuesday, 17 October 2023, and determined the order of precedence and times on Monday, 13 November 2023, as follows:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Items for House of Representatives Chamb er (10.10 am to 12 noon)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Notices</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1 DR M RYAN: To present a Bill for an Act to establish a scheme to promote and enhance transparency, integrity and honesty in dealings between lobbyists and Government representatives, and for related purposes. (<inline font-style="italic">Lobbying (Improving Government Honesty and Trust) Bill 2023</inline>)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 16 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Presenter may speak to the second reading for a period not exceeding 10 minutes</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">pursuant to standing order 41. Debate must be adjourned </inline> <inline font-style="italic">pursuant to standing order 142.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2 MS STEGGALL: To present a Bill for an Act to amend the <inline font-style="italic">Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918</inline>, and for related purposes. (<inline font-style="italic">Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Voter Protections in Political Advertising) Bill 2023</inline>)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 17 </inline> <inline font-style="italic">October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Presenter may speak to the second reading for a period not exceeding 10 minutes</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">pursuant to standing order 41. Debate must be adjourned pursuant to standing order 142.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">3 MR BATES: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the Government has released an Aviation Green Paper projecting a tripling of flight volumes by 2050;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) since the opening of the new parallel runway at Brisbane Airport, that airport is now by far the most complained about airport in Australia;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) increased large aircraft traffic and light aircraft flights are already posing significant noise issues for people in Melbourne; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) the Prime Minister and the Government support a curfew and flight cap on Sydney Airport; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) calls on the Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) support a curfew and flight cap on Brisbane Airport;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) accelerate the development of High Speed Rail to provide competition to the aviation industry, and reduce noise and pollution impacts on communities; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) address the aircraft noise concerns of people living in Melbourne.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 17 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">20 minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Mr Bates</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 4 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that </inline> <inline font-style="italic">consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">4 MR LAXALE: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) acknowledges the release of the Rapid Review into the Exploitation of Australia's Visa System on 4 October 2023, which found:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) abuses of sexual exploitation, human trafficking, and other organised crime in Australia's immigration system;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) significant gaps and weaknesses in Australia's visa system; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) criminals routinely abusing Australia's visa system;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) notes that the problems identified in the report are systemic and will take time to fix but commends the Government's commitment not to turn a blind eye to the exploitation of Australia's visa system by:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) increasing resourcing by $50 million;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) establishing a new division within the Department of Home Affairs to re-prioritise immigration compliance and protect the integrity of the visa and migration system;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) strengthening fit and proper person assessments for registered migration agents (RMAs);</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) improving the ability of the Office of the Migration Agents Registration Authority (OMARA) to sanction unscrupulous RMAs;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) providing a stronger framework for the OMARA to address criminality in the migration advice industry; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(f) increasing financial penalties for providing unlawful immigration assistance; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) condemns the Leader of the Opposition for overseeing a migration system that was used to facilitate some of the worst crimes in our society.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 17 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">30 </inline> <inline font-style="italic">minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Mr Laxale</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 6 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">5 MR PEARCE: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) obesity is a public health crisis;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) today about 14 million Australians, or two in three adults, are overweight or obese;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the Class III category (body mass index of 40 or higher) has seen the highest relative growth during the past decade;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, one in four children aged five to 17 years are either overweight or obese and one in two young people aged 18 to 24 are overweight or obese;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) vulnerable sections of our community, such as First Nations Australians, Australians living in regional and remote areas, and older Australians aged 65 to 74 are particularly affected;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(f) Australians living with obesity are at a far higher risk of developing chronic conditions, including at least thirteen different forms of cancer, cardiovascular disease, asthma, back pain, chronic kidney disease, dementia, gallbladder disease, gout and osteoarthritis;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) acknowledges that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) overweight and obesity are among the highest contributors to disease burden in Australia;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) by addressing obesity, benefits will be realised in multiple areas of the healthcare system and economy;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) despite the implementation of well-intentioned preventative health measures, more is needed to combat the surge of overweight and obesity rates;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) new pharmacotherapies for obesity have the potential to be a real game changer in the fight against obesity; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) the former Government developed the first National Obesity Strategy and remains committed to policy that halts the rise and reverses the trend in the prevalence of obesity in adults; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) calls on the Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) elevate obesity as a National Health Priority Area;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) ensure pharmaceutical therapies that have been approved by Therapeutic Goods Administration can be made available on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme to Australians as an additional tool against overweight and obesity, alongside a healthy and balanced diet and a regular exercise routine.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given </inline> <inline font-style="italic">17 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">remaining private Members' business time prior to 12 noon.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Mr Pearce</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 8 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that </inline> <inline font-style="italic">consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Items for Federation Chamber (11 am to 1.30 pm)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Orders of the day</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1 STRONGER COMMUNITIES PROGRAMME: Resumption of debate (<inline font-style="italic">from 16 October 2023</inline>) on the motion of Mr Chester—That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) notes that the:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) Stronger Communities Programme delivered on the former Government's commitment to deliver social benefits in communities across Australia;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) programme provided grants of between $2,500 and $20,000 to community organisations and local governments for small scale projects; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) programme helped fund over 15,000 community-based projects across Australia; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) acknowledges that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the Government has failed to provide funding for future rounds of the programme, with no replacement for small-scale projects; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) community groups, already struggling with the increased cost of living, will have no other option than to fundraise for projects that otherwise could have been funded under the programme.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">35 minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">All Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 7 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Notices</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1 MR RAE: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) acknowledges that the Government was elected on the promise of getting wages moving again after a decade of deliberate wage stagnation under the previous Government;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) notes that Australian Bureau of Statistics' data released in August, and new analysis, shows that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the average earnings of a full-time worker increased 3.9 per cent in the first year of the Government, in dollar terms, an extra $3,700 per year;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the average worker is earning $1,400 more than they would have because of the higher rate of wages growth under the Government compared to if wages had continued to grow at the sluggish pace they did under our predecessors; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) low paid workers are receiving the largest pay rises;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) further notes that the Government's economic plan is all about getting wages moving in a sustainable way by:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) securing a pay rise for minimum and award wage earners;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) funding a wage rise for aged care workers;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) changing our industrial relations laws to support secure jobs and better pay; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) funding more TAFE and university places and investing in strategic industries to help deliver well-paid jobs into the future; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) acknowledges this is another example of the Government working for Australia and delivering on our election commitments to build a better future for Australians.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 12 September 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">30 minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Mr Rae</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 6 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2 DR HAINES: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) acknowledges that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) Commonwealth grants are vitally important to the positive and meaningful work carried out by community organisations, local governments, businesses and not-for-profits, particularly in regional and rural areas;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the current system of Commonwealth grants administration means grants can be awarded based on the discretion of ministers and against official departmental advice, without merit and without meeting the aim of promoting proper use and management of public resources; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the current system means grants awarded by ministerial discretion escape parliamentary and public scrutiny;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) notes that Commonwealth grants programs administered by the former and current governments have been misused for political purposes, including the Building Better Regions Fund, the Commuter Car Parks Project, the Community Sport Infrastructure Grant Program, the Mobile Black Spot Program, and the Community Batteries for Household Solar Program; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) calls on the Government to introduce legislation to reform grants administration to ensure public money is not misused, and that this legislation must include:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) clear requirements for published Commonwealth grant guidelines and selection criteria;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) robust and public reporting requirements about how grants programs are administered, including grants that are awarded contrary to departmental advice; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) a framework for a parliamentary joint committee on grants administration to improve grant administration oversight.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 16 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">20 minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Dr Haines</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 4 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">3 MS MURPHY: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) recognises the vital role played by Community Legal Centres in Australia, emphasising that Community Legal Centres:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) serve as pillars of support for individuals and families navigating legal matters, offering essential guidance and assistance; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) contribute significantly to ensuring equal access to justice, particularly for vulnerable and marginalised communities;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) notes recommendation 12.4 of the Royal Commission into the Robodebt Scheme that states, 'When it next conducts a review of the National Legal Assistance Partnership, the Commonwealth should have regard, in considering funding for legal aid commissions and community legal centres, to the importance of the public interest role played by those services as exemplified in their work during the Scheme'; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) acknowledges that the Government has initiated an independent review of the National Legal Assistance Partnership.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 17 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">30 minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Ms Murphy</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 6 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">4 MR CHESTER: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) acknowledges that Australia has a world-class and sustainable commercial fishing industry which contributes to national food security and delivers significant employment and economic benefits, particularly in regional areas;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) commercial fishing in Commonwealth waters is already highly regulated to ensure sustainable resource management;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the world-wide demand for seafood is increasing; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) reducing the Australian wild-catch will result in the consumption of more imported seafood products; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) urges the Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) recognise the:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) long-term sustainability of the commercial fishing industry is an issue of national importance because of the social, economic, environmental and cultural benefits of the industry; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) pressures placed on the commercial fishing industry by environmental activism and plans to lock up more productive fishing grounds in marine parks or other activities including offshore wind farms; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) undertake to consult and work constructively with the commercial fishing industry to ensure its interests are fully respected and recognised in any proposals to increase exclusion zones which undermine the viability of operators.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 8 August 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">remaining private Members' business time prior to 1.30 pm.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Mr </inline> <inline font-style="italic">Chester</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 7 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Items for Federation Chamber (4.45 pm to 7.30 pm)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">PRIVAT E MEMBERS' BUSINESS</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Notices — continued</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">5 MR BURNELL: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) acknowledges the Government's commitment to transform access to the vocational education and training sector, support quality training and implement reforms to address critical skills needs, by delivering:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) a landmark five-year National Skills Agreement, that will take effect from January 2024, unlocking billions of dollars to build Australian skills and prosperity, including by:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) establishing nationally networked TAFE Centres of Excellence;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) establishing a National TAFE Network to promote cutting edge curriculum;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iii) growing the capability of the vocational education and training (VET) workforce;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iv) implementing Closing the Gap initiatives to be designed in partnership with First Nations peoples and led by them;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(v) improving VET completions and access to foundation skills training; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(vi) increasing women's participation and gender equality;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) 300,000 further Fee-Free TAFE and vocational education places from 2024, following the 180,000 Fee-Free TAFE places allocated in 2023; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) investment in the creation of TAFE Centres of Excellence, to strengthen the collaboration between TAFEs, universities and industry, and the creation and delivery of higher apprenticeship qualifications, in critical areas of the economy;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) congratulates the Government along with state and territory governments on the historic five-year National Skills Agreement which will be delivered through a new National Stewardship model to coordinate strategic investment in skills across the economy and support delivery of skills needed in national and regional priority areas; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) condemns the Liberal and National parties for their opposition to important skills policies such as Fee-Free TAFE and the former Government for their decade of neglect, and for failing to reach a National Skills Agreement with any state or territory government.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 17 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">30 minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Sp</inline> <inline font-style="italic">eech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Mr Burnell</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 6 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">6 MR VAN MANEN: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the sport of golf provides $3.3 billion in annual benefits to the Australian community, economy and environment;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) household expenditure on golf activities and facilities is $10.3 billion, including $6.7 billion by golfers and locals, and $3.6 billion for golf tourism;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) there are over 1,603 places to play golf across Australia, including 1,406 golf courses, 184 driving ranges, 115 mini golf courses and growing indoor simulator and entertainment venues;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) the social benefits of golf via physical and mental health and neighbourhood amenity by golf courses is valued at over $1 billion; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) the health benefits of golf are highlighted by the fact that Australian golfers walk 280 million kilometres annually; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) acknowledges the great work that peak national bodies including the PGA of Australia, Golf Australia and WPGA Tour of Australasia have done and continue to do to promote the game of golf.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 17 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">40 minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Mr van Manen</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 8 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">7 DR ANANDA-RAJAH: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) notes the clear message the Australian people sent in May 2022, demanding real action on climate change by electing the current Government;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) further notes the Government has not wasted a day by:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) increasing Australia's emission reduction targets from 26 per cent to 43 per cent;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) legislating to bring back the Climate Change Authority;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) putting net zero in the objects of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and Australian Renewable Energy Agency Acts;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) legislating our $20 billion Rewiring the Nation Fund;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) taking substantial steps to create an offshore wind industry in Australia;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(f) agreeing to a sensible capacity investment scheme with the states;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(g) working with states and territories to put emissions reduction into the National Energy Objectives, and to develop a new National Energy Transformation Partnership;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(h) signing the Global Methane Pledge and joining the Climate Change Club and Global Offshore Wind Alliance;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) reforming the safeguard mechanism so that our biggest industrial emitters are doing their fair share;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(j) passing the electric vehicle discount, releasing the National Electric Vehicle Strategy and commencing the rollout of the Driving the Nation charging program;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(k) committing $1.7 billion to the Energy Savings Program, providing real financial support to households, businesses, and local governments to invest in renewable energy and energy efficiency;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(l) signing funding agreements to deliver more than 50 community batteries around Australia;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(m) establishing the Net Zero Economy Agency to have a laser-like focus on the economic opportunities for the regions at the centre of the energy transformation; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(n) budgeting $2 billion for the vital Hydrogen Headstart Program; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) acknowledges that this is just another way the Government is working for Australia and delivering on the promise of building the better future Australians voted for.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 17 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">30 </inline> <inline font-style="italic">minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Dr Ananda-Rajah</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 6 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">8 MRS ARCHER: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) 13 November to 16 November 2023 is 'Youth Voice in Parliament Week'; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the prompt of the 2023 Youth Voice in Parliament Week is 'What change would make Australia a better place for future generations?';</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) acknowledges our responsibility for protecting the interests of future generations of Australians; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) calls on the Government to consider opportunities to further engage with future generations across all areas of Government policy to secure our nation's long-term prosperity.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 17 October 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">35 minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Mrs Archer</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 7 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The </inline> <inline font-style="italic">Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">9 MR PERRETT: To move:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">That this House:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) acknowledges the recent United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) decision not to list the Great Barrier Reef as in danger;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) notes that the Government is tackling climate change and protection of the Great Barrier Reef to make a real difference, including action that has:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) invested a record $1.2 billion in the reef;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) legislated to reach net zero, with a 43 per cent emissions reduction target in 2035, and committed to reaching 82 per cent renewable energy supply by 2030;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) invested $150 million to improve water quality through projects such as revegetation, grazing management and engineering work like gully stabilisation;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) with the Queensland Government, announced the phase-out of gillnets in the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park with a $160 million package;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) rejected a coal mine that could have direct impacts on the reef;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(f) engaged more Indigenous rangers to manage sea country, including combatting crown of thorns starfish outbreaks, marine plastics and ghost nets;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(g) withdrawn federal funding for dams that would have had a detrimental impact on reef water quality;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(h) invested an extra $163.4 million in the May 2023 budget to guarantee the future of the Australian Institute of Marine Science, doubling funding for reef science; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) committed to rewriting Australia's broken environmental laws; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) confirms that UNESCO's decision makes clear that Australia's environmental policies have fundamentally changed under this Government and changed for the better.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">(Notice given 1 August 2023.)</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Time allotted</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline> <inline font-style="italic">remaining private Members' business time prior to 7</inline> <inline font-style="italic">.30 pm.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Speech time limits</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Mr Perrett</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Other Members</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline>5<inline font-style="italic"> minutes each.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">[Minimum number of proposed Members speaking = 6 x 5 mins]</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">The Committee determined that consideration of this matter should continue on a future day.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">THE HON D. M. DICK MP</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Speaker of the House of Representatives</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">18 October 2023</para></quote>
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        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>8</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
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          <title>Rearrangement</title>
          <page.no>8</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BUTLER</name>
    <name.id>HWK</name.id>
    <electorate>Hindmarsh</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That so much of the standing and sessional orders be suspended as would prevent the following from occurring in relation to proceedings on Wednesday 18 October 2023:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) further statements, with each Member speaking for no longer than 10 minutes, on Hamas attacks on Israel and ongoing conflict being permitted immediately following the conclusion of the Matter of Public Importance and the presentation of any reports from committees;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) notwithstanding standing order 31, if statements have not concluded earlier, at 8 pm statements resuming until no further Members rise to speak, at which point, the House immediately adjourning until Thursday, 19 October 2023 at 9 am; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) any variation to this arrangement being made only on a motion moved by a Minister.</para></quote>
<para>Just for the benefit of members: this motion allows the debate on the motion relating to Hamas attacks on Israel and the ongoing conflict to continue through the course of this evening until the speaking list is exhausted. At the moment, and as I understand it, that will see us probably go into the middle part of the evening unless other members add themselves to the speaking list. I want to thank the opposition for their support for this motion, and the crossbenchers well.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>8</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
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          <title>Social Security and Other Legislation Amendment (Supporting the Transition to Work) Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>8</page.no>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>8</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>8</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms RISHWORTH</name>
    <name.id>HWA</name.id>
    <electorate>Kingston</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>Today I am introducing a bill to smooth the transition between income support and employment, and to give people more support to get into work.</para>
<para>At the Jobs and Skills Summit last year, there was a clear message and focus on inclusion, promoting equal opportunities and reducing barriers to employment. Our government took steps to address this, including introducing the temporary Work Bonus boost, the Carer Inclusive Workplace Initiative and partnering with the Business Council of Australia and the Australian Network on Disability to develop the Career Pathways Pilot for people with disability.</para>
<para>The next stage in this process was to develop the employment white paper, which the government released in September. This sets out a road map to ensure that more Australians can make the most of the big shifts underway in the economy and in our society.</para>
<para>It presented our vision for a dynamic and inclusive labour market in which everyone has the opportunity for secure, fairly paid work, and where people, business and communities can be the primary beneficiaries of change to thrive.</para>
<para>The white paper is a commitment to work together to deliver sustained and inclusive full employment, and to promote job security and strong, sustainable wage growth. The white paper signals ways we can reignite productivity growth, fill skills needs, build our future workforce, overcome barriers to employment and broaden opportunity.</para>
<para>The bill before you today, the Social Security and Other Legislation Amendment (Supporting the Transition to Work) Bill 2023 represents one of the immediate actions our government is taking to deliver on the objectives of the white paper.</para>
<para>The changes in the bill will permanently enhance the pension work bonus and extend the employment income nil rate period for those on income support.</para>
<para>The changes to the pension work bonus will enable older Australians who choose to work, if they are able to do so, to earn more income from working before their pension is affected.</para>
<para>This builds on the temporary work bonus measure the government announced at the Jobs and Skills Summit, which gave all eligible pensioners a one-off $4,000 upfront credit into their work bonus balance and increased their work bonus income bank balance from $7,800 to $11,800. This temporary measure is in place from 1 December 2022 to 31 December 2023.</para>
<para>This measure was warmly welcomed by pensioners, stakeholders and peak bodies representing senior Australians.</para>
<para>The bill before the House today will permanently extend these changes from 1 January 2024 to all eligible new recipients over pension age, who will commence with a work bonus balance of $4,000 from day one instead of starting with a balance of $0.</para>
<para>This will mean from the outset of commencing on the pension, new recipients will be able to earn $4,000 more before their pension rate is affected. Without this change, new entrants would have to build up their work bonus balance over time.</para>
<para>As a result, more than 195,000 senior Australians who commence on a pension each year will be given an added incentive to maintain a connection to the workforce, and continue to add their skills, knowledge and expertise to the Australian labour market. This accords with the evident trend of Australians approaching or at retirement age who may be looking to continue to seize on a little more opportunity for work.</para>
<para>In addition, through this bill we will also retain on a permanent basis the maximum income bank balance of $11,800 for all eligible pensioners and veterans to accrue in their work bonus income bank.</para>
<para>This means pensioners who are not working regularly are able to accrue credit to this higher maximum balance, allowing them to earn more if they do take up some work before their pension is affected. It also means that existing pensioners who haven't used their one-off $4,000 credit yet will be able to keep it in their income bank and use it at a later date.</para>
<para>These changes to the work bonus complement existing arrangements in place that enable age pensioners to earn an amount of income before their pension begins to be reduced. This includes the income-free area and the taper rate arrangements—which apply to all types of income—along with the work bonus, which is specifically designed to reward pensioners who are working. It provides incentives that mean pensioners with employment income can earn more before their pension is affected, and it is the best way to target additional support to pensioners to take on work.</para>
<para>Indeed, senior Australians have taken the time to write to me and others in the government directly to explain how the temporary changes to the work bonus have supported them to work more and made a real difference to their lives.</para>
<para>Recently, I heard from Dawn and Murray—working age pensioners from northern New South Wales, who do seasonal work. For them, continuing to do some work keeps them mentally and physically active, and their employer values them as mature workers because of their work ethic, commitment, life experience and availability. Dawn and Murray have told me how helpful the increase the work bonus has been for them, particularly with cost-of-living pressures, enabling them to earn more before their pension is affected.</para>
<para>We want to continue to ensure that older Australians have the option, should they wish to do so, to take up work or work a bit more. Together, the higher maximum income bank balance limit and the starting balance are targeted and effective changes that will deliver real benefits to those pensioners who want and are able to take up work.</para>
<para>These changes broaden their choices and increase flexibility, while also helping to break down the barriers faced by older Australians who wish to be in the workforce.</para>
<para>In addition to enhancing the work bonus, from 1 July 2024, this bill will also double the length of the employment income nil rate period from 12 to 24 weeks and extend access to people who start full-time work.</para>
<para>This change is designed to provide more support for people to get back into work, without the fear that the social safety net won't be there if they need it again.</para>
<para>The employment income nil rate period is available to recipients of a range of payments, including the JobSeeker payment, youth allowance, Austudy, Abstudy living allowance, parenting payment and pensions.</para>
<para>It enables income support recipients to be considered as still receiving their payment when their fortnightly rate is reduced to nil due to personal or partner income, for the purposes of qualifying for supplementary benefits, including:</para>
<list>Healthcare card or pensioner concession card</list>
<list>Child care subsidy</list>
<list>Commonwealth rent assistance,</list>
<list>Language literacy and numeracy supplement</list>
<list>Approval program of work supplement</list>
<list>Pensioner education supplement</list>
<list>Telephone allowance</list>
<para>Doubling the nil rate period will allow people to stay active in the system—and retain these benefits—when they first get back into work, for longer.</para>
<para>Our consultations during the white paper process recommended changes to social security settings to ensure recipients are not discouraged from taking up paid work. It is commonly reported that losing access to concession cards and supplementary benefits or having to reapply and wait for income support if things don't work out discourages people taking up work, particularly short-term or casual work.</para>
<para>We know that people who have some work are twice as likely to ultimately exit income support as those who don't. To improve employment outcomes and get more people off payment, it is critical that they are not dis-incentivised from taking on these short-term or ad hoc opportunities that could turn into longer term work. This measure is designed to address these concerns by doubling the period people are able to stay connected to the income support system and retain access to these benefits to almost six months.</para>
<para>The measures in this bill will also extend access to the nil rate period to JobSeeker and youth allowance (other) recipients who commence in full-time work. Currently, these recipients are ineligible for the employment income nil rate period altogether, so their payment cancels as soon as they commence full-time employment.</para>
<para>For example, Hannah is receiving JobSeeker payment and is offered a full-time, three-month job working in a supermarket over Christmas. Under current arrangements, if Hannah took up this job, she would not have access the nil rate period. She would lose access to her healthcare card, and supplementary payments, and possibly have to reapply for JobSeeker all over again when the job is over.</para>
<para>This may deter her from taking up this opportunity</para>
<para>Through the nil rate measure in this bill, Hannah is supported to get back into work again, with the confidence that the social safety net is there if she needs it—as it is for all Australians in need.</para>
<para>These changes to income nil rate period are expected to benefit around 138,000 people each year, particularly those receiving JobSeeker payment and youth allowance (other).</para>
<para>These measures complement our actions to improve the economic inclusion of people across Australia. With our measures to strengthen the safety net announced in 2023-24 Budget, the government is providing additional support to working-age and student payment recipients, as well as more support through Commonwealth rent assistance and expanded access to parenting payment (single).</para>
<para>These measures commenced on 20 September 2023. They provide practical assistance and mean more money in the pockets of those doing it toughest. This makes a difference.</para>
<para>And now, with the measures in this bill, the government is doing more to help Australians of all ages get into work, consistent with our objective remove barriers to employment and broaden opportunity for all Australians.</para>
<para>I commend the bill to the House.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Primary Industries (Excise) Levies Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>10</page.no>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>10</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>10</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms McBAIN</name>
    <name.id>281988</name.id>
    <electorate>Eden-Monaro</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>The agriculture, fisheries and forestry sectors are major contributors to the Australian economy.</para>
<para>Their combined gross value of production is expected to be worth $86 billion in 2023-24. In 2022-23 agriculture, fisheries and forestry sectors made up 12.1 per cent of our exported goods and services and employed 2.2 per cent of our workforce.</para>
<para>The government recognises the importance of these sectors and the contribution they make to our rural and regional communities and the overall national interest.</para>
<para>We're focussing on priority areas of climate, biosecurity, workforce and trade to bring benefits to industry and to rural communities.</para>
<para>This will help strengthen the competitiveness and productivity of our agriculture, fisheries and forestry sectors and keep them on a path towards their goal of growing to $100 billion by 2030.</para>
<para>Having an effective agricultural levy system is critical to this goal.</para>
<para>The agricultural levy system is a longstanding, successful partnership between industry and the Australian government to facilitate industry investment in strategic activities.</para>
<para>It allows primary industries to collectively invest in research and development, marketing, biosecurity activities, residue testing and biosecurity responses.</para>
<para>These investments are managed by the 15 rural research and development corporations (RDCs), along with Plant Health Australia, Animal Health Australia, and the National Residue Survey, which sits in the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry.</para>
<para>Each year these bodies receive around $600 million in levies from farmers, producers, processors and exporters. In addition, more than $300 million is provided on average each year by the Australian government to the RDCs in matching funding for research and development.</para>
<para>The RDCs are the cornerstone of the agricultural innovation system. Their investments are helping capitalise on the significant opportunities that exist for agriculture, fisheries and forestry—new products, new markets and more sustainable low-emission practices. ABARES tells us that for every dollar invested in agricultural R&D, there is close to an eight-fold benefit to farmers.</para>
<para>Continuing to invest in R&D will be even more important in coming years as we ramp up efforts to reduce emissions and adapt to a changing climate.</para>
<para>And the work of Plant Health Australia, Animal Health Australia and the National Residue Survey is critical to Australia's biosecurity system and our access to international markets.</para>
<para>The levy system in its current form has been in place for over 30 years and is the envy of the world.</para>
<para>It allows government to collect levies at industry's request that can be invested in priorities that could not be funded by many primary producers on their own.</para>
<para>However, as the legislative framework that supports the system has grown, it has become overly complex and inconsistent, making it difficult to understand and administer.</para>
<para>There are more than 50 pieces of legislation governing over 110 levies across over 75 commodities and 18 levy recipient bodies.</para>
<para>A 2018 review of the agricultural levies legislation found the legislative framework is necessary for a successful industry-government arrangement, but the current legislation is ineffective in meeting industries' needs now and in the future.</para>
<para>The package of agricultural levies bills will replace the existing framework with more contemporary, flexible and efficient legislation that better supports the system.</para>
<para>The new framework, once enacted, will condense over 50 pieces of legislation down to five acts and associated subordinate legislation.</para>
<para>The new framework will provide the RDCs with more certainty about the matching funding they receive from the Commonwealth for research and development activities.</para>
<para>It will provide for more flexible and proportionate compliance measures supporting levy collection.</para>
<para>And by allocating all levy details in subordinate legislation, the new framework will make it easier for industries seeking to establish a new levy or to adjust the settings of their existing levies.</para>
<para>The legislation will also operate separately from the new biosecurity protection levy.</para>
<para>The new framework will also provide a solid foundation on which to base any broader future reforms to further improve the operation of the agricultural levy system.</para>
<para>The key features of the framework will remain the same. The new framework will not change existing levy or charge rates and will continue to support the fundamental principles of the industry-led system.</para>
<para>The Primary Industries (Excise) Levies Bill 2023 is one of five bills that will streamline and modernise the agricultural levies legislative framework.</para>
<para>It is one of three bills in this package that will enable imposition of excise levies, customs charges and services levies. The two other imposition bills are the Primary Industries (Customs) Charges Bill 2023 and the Primary Industries (Services) Levies Bill 2023.</para>
<para>The three imposition bills will enable existing excise levies and customs charges to be re-established in regulations, as well as enabling levies to be imposed on certain agricultural services.</para>
<para>They include requirements for industry consultation when a new or amended levy or charge is proposed, before the new regulations are made.</para>
<para>The three imposition bills will replace five current levy and charge imposition acts.</para>
<para>Alongside the three imposition bills are two companion bills: the Primary Industries Levies and Charges Collection Bill 2023 and the Primary Industries Levies and Charges Disbursement Bill 2023.</para>
<para>A separate bill, the Primary Industries (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023, is also being introduced to manage the consequential changes and arrangements required to ensure a smooth transition to the new framework.</para>
<para>This package of bills is the result of extensive consultation over several years to ensure the new framework meets the needs of those who use and benefit from the agricultural levy system.</para>
<para>Together, these bills will establish a new legislative framework that provides the basis for a more effective and efficient levy system that will support more sustainable, competitive and productive agriculture, fisheries and forestry sectors now and into the future.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Primary Industries (Customs) Charges Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>12</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Primary Industries (Customs) Charges Bill 2023</span>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>12</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>12</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms McBAIN</name>
    <name.id>281988</name.id>
    <electorate>Eden-Monaro</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>The Primary Industries (Customs) Charges Bill 2023 is part of a package of bills that will streamline and modernise the agricultural levies legislative framework.</para>
<para>This bill is one of three imposition bills in the package that will enable the new agricultural levies legislative framework to impose excise levies, customs charges and services levies.</para>
<para>The two other imposition bills are the Primary Industries (Excise) Levies Bill 2023 and the Primary Industries (Services) Levies Bill 2023.</para>
<para>Alongside the three imposition bills are two companion bills: the Primary Industries Levies and Charges Collection Bill 2023 and the Primary Industries Levies and Charges Disbursement Bill 2023.</para>
<para>A separate bill is also being introduced to manage the consequential changes and arrangements to ensure a smooth transition to the new framework.</para>
<para>Together, the package of bills will establish a new legislative framework that provides the basis for a more effective and efficient levy system that will support more sustainable, competitive and productive agriculture, fisheries and forestry sectors now and into the future.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Primary Industries (Services) Levies Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>12</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Primary Industries (Services) Levies Bill 2023</span>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>12</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>13</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms McBAIN</name>
    <name.id>281988</name.id>
    <electorate>Eden-Monaro</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>The Primary Industries (Services) Levies Bill 2023 is part of a package of bills that will streamline and modernise the agricultural levies legislative framework.</para>
<para>This bill is one of three imposition bills in this package that will enable the new agricultural levies legislative framework to impose excise levies, customs charges and services levies.</para>
<para>The two other imposition bills are the Primary Industries (Excise) Levies Bill 2023 and the Primary Industries (Customs) Charges Bill 2023.</para>
<para>Alongside the three imposition bills are two companion bills: the Primary Industries Levies and Charges Collection Bill 2023 and the Primary Industries Levies and Charges Disbursement Bill 2023.</para>
<para>A separate bill is also being introduced to manage the consequential changes and arrangements to ensure a smooth transition to the new framework.</para>
<para>Together, the package of bills will establish a new legislative framework that will provide the basis for a more effective and efficient levy system that will support more sustainable, competitive and productive agriculture, fisheries and forestry sectors now and into the future.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Primary Industries Levies and Charges Collection Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>13</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Primary Industries Levies and Charges Collection Bill 2023</span>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>13</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>13</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms McBAIN</name>
    <name.id>281988</name.id>
    <electorate>Eden-Monaro</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>The Primary Industries Levies and Charges Collection Bill 2023 is part of a package of bills to streamline and modernise the agricultural levies legislative framework.</para>
<para>The collection bill will replace the Primary Industries Levies and Charges Collection Act 1991.</para>
<para>It will enable collection of existing levies and charges without significantly changing how they are collected and will provide the framework required for collection of any new levies and charges in the future.</para>
<para>It will trigger monitoring, investigation and enforcement powers of the Regulatory Powers (Standard Provisions) Act 2014. This means more modern and flexible compliance and enforcement tools will be available to support compliance with levy collection requirements. And compliance measures and penalties will be proportionate to the seriousness of the infringement.</para>
<para>This will bring the levy system in line with other Commonwealth regulatory schemes.</para>
<para>The collection bill will also provide for the appropriate use and disclosure of information, while ensuring effective safeguards for sensitive information.</para>
<para>Alongside the collection bill are four companion bills:</para>
<list>the three imposition bills, the Primary Industries (Excise) Levies Bill 2023, the Primary Industries (Customs) Charges Bill 2023, and the Primary Industries (Service) Levies Bill 2023, and</list>
<list>the Primary Industries Levies and Charges Disbursement Bill 2023.</list>
<para>A separate bill is also being introduced to manage the consequential changes and arrangements to ensure a smooth transition to the new framework.</para>
<para>Together, the package of bills will establish a new legislative framework that provides the basis for a more effective and efficient levy system that will support more sustainable, competitive and productive agriculture, fisheries and forestry sectors now and into the future.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Primary Industries Levies and Charges Disbursement Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>14</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Primary Industries Levies and Charges Disbursement Bill 2023</span>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>14</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>14</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms McBAIN</name>
    <name.id>281988</name.id>
    <electorate>Eden-Monaro</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>The Primary Industries Levies and Charges Disbursement Bill 2023 forms part of a package of bills to streamline and modernise the agricultural levies legislative framework.</para>
<para>This bill will continue to enable investment in strategic activities for the benefit of levied industries.</para>
<para>Levies and charges raised for research and development (R&D) and marketing will continue to be paid to research and development corporations for investment in R&D projects and marketing activities.</para>
<para>Levies and charges raised for biosecurity activities will continue to be paid to Animal Health Australia and Plant Health Australia for investment in animal and plant health and responding to disease and pest outbreaks.</para>
<para>Levies and charges raised for residue testing will continue to be credited to the National Residue Survey Special Account for the monitoring, testing and reporting of pesticides and chemical residues.</para>
<para>The Commonwealth will also continue to match industry investment in R&D through the research and development corporations, to an upper limit of 0.5 per cent of an industry's gross value of production.</para>
<para>The bill consolidates provisions from 13 funding acts.</para>
<para>The bill will make small changes to matching funding to reduce complexity and increase funding certainty for research and development corporations.</para>
<para>This will include the removal of one of the limits on matching funding that relates to the amounts of certain levies and charges disbursed, which is largely redundant and inconsistently applied across industries.</para>
<para>It will also include an earlier determination of the GVP limit, which will provide funding certainty to research and development corporations at the beginning of the financial year.</para>
<para>The Primary Industries Research and Development Act 1989 and Wine Australia Act 2013 will be retained under the new framework and all governance-related provisions will continue to apply to statutory research and development corporations.</para>
<para>Funding agreements between research and development corporations and the Commonwealth will also continue to operate to complement legislative requirements. These set clear expectations for performance, administration of expenses and claims for matching funding.</para>
<para>Alongside the collection bill and the three imposition bills, this bill will ensure that the agricultural levy system remains fit for purpose and continues to support collective investment in activities to benefit agricultural, fisheries and forestry industries for generations to come.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Primary Industries (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>14</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Primary Industries (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023</span>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>14</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>14</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms McBAIN</name>
    <name.id>281988</name.id>
    <electorate>Eden-Monaro</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>The Primary Industries (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023 forms part of a package of bills to streamline and modernise the agricultural levies legislative framework.</para>
<para>The bill will facilitate a smooth transition to the new agricultural levies legislation, including for levy collection and disbursement arrangements and payment of matching funding to research and development corporations.</para>
<para>This bill will repeal 23 existing acts that are, or will become, redundant upon commencement of the bills package. It will also make consequential amendments to a number of other acts.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Crown References Amendment Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>15</page.no>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>15</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>15</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr GORMAN</name>
    <name.id>74519</name.id>
    <electorate>Perth</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>Last year, the historic reign of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II ended.</para>
<para>As sovereign for 70 years, her long life of duty, family, faith and service was an enduring presence in the lives of all Australians.</para>
<para>Her Majesty made 16 visits to Australia between 1954 and 2011.</para>
<para>She was the first reigning monarch to visit Australia.</para>
<para>Queen Elizabeth II opened parliament twice and opened state parliaments five times.</para>
<para>She officially opened this building, Parliament House, in 1988.</para>
<para>During her first royal tour, in 1954, she travelled some 16,000 kilometres—33 flights, 207 separate trips in the car—visiting more than 70 country towns.</para>
<para>Her Majesty visited every Australian state and territory.</para>
<para>Australians were deeply saddened by her passing.</para>
<para>In the days following, more than 3,500 people lined up to sign her condolence book at Government House.</para>
<para>Australians signed condolence books at government residences, electorate offices and from around the country online.</para>
<para>I know what struck staff at the signing were the quiet moments in which each person paused to reflect as they signed the book, reflecting on the contribution, service and example of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, a steadfast world leader who defined much of the 20th and 21st centuries.</para>
<para>Her loss marks a significant point in our cultural, political and legal history.</para>
<para>Her son, His Majesty King Charles III, had his coronation occur in May this year.</para>
<para>His Majesty has made 16 visits to Australia.</para>
<para>Never has Australia had a sovereign with such a strong connection to our nation upon coronation.</para>
<para>We hope that we will soon welcome the new King and Queen back to Australia.</para>
<para>The Prime Minister has extended an invitation to Their Majesties to visit Australia at any time.</para>
<para>As our sovereign King Charles III is always welcome in the states and territories of Australia.</para>
<para>Although Her late Majesty's reign was long, Australia is no stranger to welcoming a new sovereign.</para>
<para>Queens and kings have reigned over Australia since Federation.</para>
<para>Our Constitution's life began with Her Majesty Queen Victoria. Our Constitution mentions her by name.</para>
<para>Previous parliaments made various changes to reflect her successors, King Edward VII, King George V, King Edward VIII, King George VI, Queen Elizabeth II and now His Majesty King Charles III.</para>
<para>The Crown References Amendment Bill seeks to update references to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II in various acts of legislation to reflect the accession of the new sovereign.</para>
<para>Just as our nation marked the coronation on 7 May 2023 with a national 21-gun salute by Australia's Federation Guard on the forecourt of Parliament House, this parliament now recognises and congratulates King Charles III with this bill.</para>
<para>King Charles III has clearly stated his service to the people of the realms including Australia when he said on 9 September 2022:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Whatever may be your background or beliefs, I shall endeavour to serve you with loyalty, respect and love, as I have throughout my life.</para></quote>
<para>The bill will recognise the Crown as is appropriate and in terms similar to other Commonwealth laws.</para>
<para>There are many examples of office holders being referenced by office in Commonwealth laws.</para>
<para>The Governor-General is simply referred to as the 'Governor-General' in chapter II of the Constitution.</para>
<para>Similarly, when we refer to ministers, parliamentarians, and statutory office holders, we honour the title of the office holder.</para>
<para>The National Anti-Corruption Commission Act 2022 establishes the offices of the National Anti-Corruption Commissioner and the Deputy Commissioners.</para>
<para>The Future Fund Act 2006establishes the office of the chair of the Future Fund Board of Guardians.</para>
<para>As noted in the explanatory memorandum for the Statute Law Revision Bill (No. 2) 2006, circulated by the authority of the then attorney-general Philip Ruddock MP:</para>
<quote><para class="block">It has been Commonwealth drafting practice since the early 1980s for statutory provisions to be drafted so as to avoid the use of gender-specific language.</para></quote>
<para>The bill ensures consistency of references to the sovereign across Australia's legislative framework.</para>
<para>The bill avoids the need for future amendments to legislation should a future queen ascend the throne and uses clarifying language that reflects Commonwealth practice.</para>
<para>This approach is consistent with the previous government's Succession to the Crown Act 2015.</para>
<para>That bill gave effect to the then government's commitment to change the rules on succession to, and possession of, the Crown.</para>
<para>This followed the agreement made during the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Perth on 28 October 2011, between the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms.</para>
<para>It changed the law relating to the effect of gender and marriage on royal succession, ending the system of male preference so that the order of succession is to be determined simply by order of birth.</para>
<para>This bill also introduces a new definition of "Senior Counsel" into the <inline font-style="italic">Acts Interpretation Act 1901</inline>, amending references to "Queen's Counsel" and "King's Counsel" in various acts of legislation.</para>
<para>The purpose of this amendment is to remove any confusion where Commonwealth acts and instruments make reference to "Queen's Counsel", "King's Counsel" or "Senior Counsel".</para>
<para>This change reflects current practice at the Commonwealth level where a senior counsel is considered equal in status to King's Counsel (formerly Queen's Counsel).</para>
<para>This change will also reflect current practice in the legal community.</para>
<para>The bill would only amend primary legislation, with ministers expected to amend subordinate legislation within their own portfolios to reflect these changes.</para>
<para>With the coronation of His Majesty King Charles III, this bill brings an opportunity to introduce important updates to references throughout the Australian legislative framework.</para>
<para>These changes reflect the end of the second Elizabethan age and the beginning of a new age, a future which we as a nation will now share with our new King. I commend the bill.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>74046</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The debate is adjourned and the resumption of the debate will be made an order of the day for the next sitting.</para>
</interjection>
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        <title>TARIFF PROPOSALS</title>
        <page.no>16</page.no>
        <type>TARIFF PROPOSALS</type>
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          <title>Customs Tariff Proposal (No. 5) 2023</title>
          <page.no>16</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms O'NEIL</name>
    <name.id>140590</name.id>
    <electorate>Hotham</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Customs Tariff Proposal (No. 5) 2023.</para></quote>
<para>Customs Tariff Proposal No. 5 2023 proposes to amend Section 18A of the Customs Tariff Act 1995 to extend for a further 24 months the additional duty applied to imported goods that are the produce or manufacture of Russia or Belarus. From 25 April 2022, an additional 35 per cent customs duty has applied in addition to the general rate of duty that would have ordinarily applied to these goods. This was due to end on 24 October 2023. The additional duty will continue to be applied until 24 October 2025. The extension of this additional duty aligns with measures implemented by like-minded nations.</para>
<para>Australia unambiguously condemns Russia's illegal, immoral and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. We support Ukrainians' sovereignty, territorial integrity and right to self-determination. Australia will continue to uphold the rules based international order that underpins Australia's security, prosperity and stability, and the motion before the House supports our opportunity to do that.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>74046</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The debate is adjourned and the resumption of the debate will be made an order of the day for the next sitting.</para>
</interjection>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>17</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Treaties Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>17</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>17</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr JOSH WILSON</name>
    <name.id>265970</name.id>
    <electorate>Fremantle</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties, I present the committee's report 212: <inline font-style="italic">Audiovisual Co-production Agreement between the Government of Australia and the Government of the Republic of India</inline>.</para>
<para>Report made a parliamentary paper in accordance with standing order 39(e).</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr JOSH WILSON</name>
    <name.id>265970</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I'm glad to make a statement on the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties report into the Audiovisual Co-production Agreement between the government of Australia and the government of the Republic of India. Australia's relationship with India is its oldest continuous diplomatic relationship with any country in Asia; relations were established in 1943. Australia's relationship with India was upgraded to a comprehensive strategic partnership in June 2020. Australia and India share a strong interest in audiovisual productions, and there's a clear value in collaborating on such projects with a like-minded country, especially when you consider that India is one of the largest-scale filmmakers and consumers of screen products in the world. That recognition has been translated into the Australia-India co-production agreement.</para>
<para>It provides a framework for Australia and India to cooperate to approve the making of audiovisual productions such as feature films, television, video recordings, animations and digital-format productions. Projects that are approved as official co-productions under the agreement will be regarded as national productions of both Australia and India. This agreement is the 14th such co-production arrangement that Australia has entered into under our international co-production program, and the aim of the program as a whole is to foster industry development and cultural exchange between cooperating countries through the medium of screen products. The agreement will increase the output of high-quality productions by sharing investment with India, and the committee is mindful that India is the world's largest democracy and the fifth-largest economy. The agreement will, therefore, open new markets for Australian film, television, animation and digital-format productions in India and internationally.</para>
<para>The agreement builds on the existing partnerships between Australia and Indian producers to develop high-quality products, encouraging screen industry employment, technical development and cultural exchange between our countries. The committee held an inquiry into the agreement, which included a public hearing, and the committee notes support for ratification from government and other stakeholders, including from the Australian-Indian film industry from whom we were very pleased to hear in the course of the inquiry. The committee supports the Australia-India co-production agreement and has recommended that binding treaty action be taken. On behalf of the committee, I commend this report to the House.</para>
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</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Public Accounts and Audit Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>17</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>17</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr HILL</name>
    <name.id>86256</name.id>
    <electorate>Bruce</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of the Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit, I present the committee's report entitled <inline font-style="italic">Report</inline><inline font-style="italic"> 499: Inquiry into the annual performance statements 2021-22</inline>.</para>
<para>Report made a parliamentary paper in accordance with standing order 39(e).</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr HILL</name>
    <name.id>86256</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I'll readily admit that performance reporting is not the most exciting of topics.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr</name>
    <name.id>231027</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>No; it is!</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr HILL</name>
    <name.id>86256</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We've done less exciting in the audit committee; I'll give you that! But for public sector agencies charged with serious responsibilities and entrusted with spending billions of dollars, it really, really matters. Unlike financial reporting, which has been subject to the Auditor-General's mandatory audits for decades, performance reporting has been underdeveloped and underresourced. As the old saying goes, 'What is measured matters.' How agencies assess and report on their performance impacts quite directly on what they then value and do for the public.</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr HILL</name>
    <name.id>86256</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's how you use it; that's right, Member for Fremantle! Plainly speaking, Australians can trust the accounts of government departments because they're thoroughly audited. There's no serious question in this country that, when a government department's put out a set of financial statements, we can have confidence in them. For too long, though, the parliament and the public have had no reliable way of knowing whether or not what agencies report in their annual performance statements is true. Do these often mind-numbing KPIs and measures fairly represent what an agency does? Are the data sources actually there to sit under all of those measures? Are they a fair measure of what's been achieved, or did someone fudge the books? The introduction of performance statement audits is therefore a big change for the Audit Office, and it's a change that the committee has, over multiple electoral terms, supported, and it continues to do so.</para>
<para>The ANAO's audits of the 2021-22 performance statements show both a clear improvement in the performance reporting of audited entities and increased engagement in the public sector more broadly. Sometimes it's important that entities know that someone might be checking their work because that engenders better performance and encourages them to check it themselves. Sunlight is the best form of disinfectant, and transparency breeds better behaviour in all organisations.</para>
<para>The committee examined the key issues raised in the Auditor-General's audit of the 2021-22 performance statements, including the impact of machinery-of-government changes, the lack of robust methodologies or supporting information for performance measures and non-compliance with the PGPA Act rule. The committee also examined how the Audit Office conducts its performance statement audits and the impact on the entities, including issues in relation to the audit methodology and timing. The committee's report makes four stunning, scintillating recommendations, which I'm sure the member for Hume will take some time to examine, including that the Auditor-General Act 1997 be amended to remove the requirement for the Minister for Finance to request the ANAO to conduct performance statement audits.</para>
<para>It is ridiculous when you think that there are now three broad functions of the Audit Office: financial statement auditing, which is mandatory and which they must do against the Australian accounting standards; performance audits, which are what most of the public attention is on and which are at the full discretion of the Auditor-General; and the government has now funded ongoing appropriation to the Audit Office to take a permanent role in auditing performance statements, the third limb of the auditing function. It's ridiculous that we have a requirement that the audit office has to keep seeking permission from the Minister for Finance to simply undertake that core appropriation function. This is not a new idea for the committee. In fact, we recommended that this requirement be removed twice before, but the previous government actually took no action. I don't think they even responded to the report. While we appreciate that it's not the highest priority change to pursue, we continue to see it as important to streamline the Auditor-General's work, and we hope the minister will now progress the change.</para>
<para>The committee's report makes three additional recommendations to improve the process and impact of performance statements audits, including that the ANAO share trends and lessons learnt in performance reporting with the sector, that the ANAO and Department of Finance develop and publish a schedule of performance statements audits and that the ANAO and Department of Finance update the committee on their work on the audit methodology and guidance on performance reporting requirements.</para>
<para>These audits, the 2021-22 performance statements, were the first iteration after the ANAO's pilot program, and both the Audit Office and the audited entities understand that this process will take time to mature. It is a whole new methodology being rolled out across the public sector, and all of the entities we engaged with were taking it seriously and trying to improve the way that they think about their performance and account for it to the parliament and the public. So this methodology will continue to develop as the rollout expands, and the committee will continue to keep an eye on it through our annual program.</para>
<para>I thank the deputy chair and the committee members who participated in this inquiry. It is dry stuff, but it really does matter, because it focuses the mind of all 200-and-something public sector agencies that spend hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money every year to improve their performance collectively. So it's boring, nerdy and niche but it matters. The committee secretariat did a sterling job with this. The quality of the analysis and the reflections were absolutely fantastic, so I really thank them for it. And I think the committee secretary is very relieved that we didn't call the report 'performance anxiety', as we'd teased her and threatened to do, so that's a plus too! I commend the report to the House.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>18</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>18</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill 2023</span>
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        </subdebate.text><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>18</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As we approach the vote on this key piece of legislation, this should be a good day for our parliament and country. With the Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill 2023 we're taking another step in fulfilling our promise to the Australian people to deliver the Basin Plan in full. That's what this bill does. It offers more time, more options, more money and more accountability. With these changes, we are opening up the full suite of water recovery options. We'll be able to invest in on-farm water infrastructure, in land and water purchases and in other novel water recovery mechanisms where it's sensible to do so. We'll be able to count recovery above bridging the gap targets towards the 450 gigalitre target, and we'll be able to purchase water from willing sellers where it's needed to deliver the plan.</para>
<para>Water purchase is never the only tool in the box. It's not the first tool at hand, but it has to be one of them. The bill, as introduced, will improve transparency and accountability in the Basin Plan and for water markets. The government will now move important amendments to further strengthen this. We've listened to communities who want transparency, who want accountability and who want to see the Basin Plan delivered. These amendments ensure that the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, the ACCC, can enforce new information-gathering powers and add a civil penalty provision for contraventions. They will require the annual report of the Inspector-General of Water Compliance to be tabled in each house of parliament. The government amendments will also make minor changes to the role of the Inspector-General of Water Compliance and technical amendments following feedback from the Commonwealth and basin state agencies to ensure that the bill operates smoothly.</para>
<para>I also want to thank and recognise two members of the crossbench who will also move amendments that the government will be supporting. I recognise that the member for Mayo's amendments requiring an annual water recovery progress report to be tabled in parliament further strengthen the accountability and transparency of our proposals. Secondly, the member for Indi's amendment will ensure that the third independent review into the Water for the Environment Special Account includes reporting on the effectiveness of any socioeconomic programs funded out of the special account. We have received other amendments that we won't be supporting, but we'll go through those in detail later.</para>
<para>The member for Indi's amendments will also bolster the role of the Inspector-General of Water Compliance's audit powers to ensure accountability and reliability in basin water accounting methods. These amendments, together with the government's amendments, provide the flexibility and accountability needed to complete the Basin Plan and improve trust, transparency and the integrity of the basin's water markets. We are determined to see more water returned to the environment and the positive outcomes that this water can provide: more certainty for farmers, for communities and for the three million people who rely on this river system for their drinking water; more protection for our native plants and animals; and more hope for Australia's largest and most iconic river system.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>74046</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The original question was that this bill be now read a second time, to which the honourable member for Melbourne moved as an amendment that all words after 'That' be omitted with a view to substituting other words. The honourable member for Lyne has moved as an amendment to that amendment that all words after 'whilst' be omitted with a view to substituting other words.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The immediate question is that the amendment moved by the honourable member for Lyne be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
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<division>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [10:02] <br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
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                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
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                  <name>Hastie, A. W.</name>
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                  <name>Hogan, K. J.</name>
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                  <name>Joyce, B. T. G.</name>
                  <name>Landry, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Ley, S. P.</name>
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                  <name>McCormack, M. F.</name>
                  <name>McIntosh, M. I.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, Z. A.</name>
                  <name>O'Brien, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Pasin, A.</name>
                  <name>Pearce, G. B.</name>
                  <name>Pike, H. J.</name>
                  <name>Pitt, K. J.</name>
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                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
                  <name>Ware, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, R. J.</name>
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                  <name>Wood, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Young, T. J.</name>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>SPEAKER (): The question now is that the amendment moved by the honourable member for Melbourne be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the bill be now read a second time.</para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [10:12] <br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
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                  <name>Vamvakinou, M.</name>
                  <name>Watson-Brown, E.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
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                <num.votes>50</num.votes>
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                  <name>Andrews, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Archer, B. K.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Broadbent, R. E.</name>
                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
                  <name>Caldwell, C. M.</name>
                  <name>Chester, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Coleman, D. B.</name>
                  <name>Coulton, M. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Entsch, W. G.</name>
                  <name>Fletcher, P. W.</name>
                  <name>Gee, A. R.</name>
                  <name>Gillespie, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Goodenough, I. R. </name>
                  <name>Hamilton, G. R.</name>
                  <name>Hastie, A. W.</name>
                  <name>Hawke, A. G.</name>
                  <name>Hogan, K. J.</name>
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                  <name>Joyce, B. T. G.</name>
                  <name>Landry, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Le, D.</name>
                  <name>Ley, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Littleproud, D.</name>
                  <name>Marino, N. B.</name>
                  <name>McCormack, M. F.</name>
                  <name>McIntosh, M. I.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, Z. A.</name>
                  <name>Morrison, S. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Brien, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Pasin, A.</name>
                  <name>Pearce, G. B.</name>
                  <name>Pike, H. J.</name>
                  <name>Pitt, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Price, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Ramsey, R. E. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Stevens, J.</name>
                  <name>Sukkar, M. S.</name>
                  <name>Tehan, D. T.</name>
                  <name>Thompson, P.</name>
                  <name>van Manen, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Vasta, R. X.</name>
                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
                  <name>Ware, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, R. J.</name>
                  <name>Wolahan, K.</name>
                  <name>Wood, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Young, T. J.</name>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.<br />Bill read a second time.<br />Message from the Governor-General recommending appropriation announced.</p>
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          </division></subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>22</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr LITTLEPROUD</name>
    <name.id>265585</name.id>
    <electorate>Maranoa</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise in consideration of this, particularly around schedules 1 and 2 of this bill, which are the most egregious, the most damaging and the most traumatic to regional communities up and down the basin. They go to buybacks. The Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill 2023 tears at the very heart of the bipartisan support that was given to the Murray-Darling Basin Plan in 2012, designed by the Labor Party, designed and accepted by both sides of the House. As hard as it was for us in regional and rural Australia, we accepted that something needed to be done. And we have done something. We have recovered over 2,100 gigalitres of the 2,750 gigalitres that are required to complete the plan, but we were doing that with common sense and we were doing that with infrastructure, being able to return that to the environment.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr LITTLEPROUD</name>
    <name.id>265585</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The minister interjects and says we weren't doing that. Well, I don't know where she was for a couple of years when COVID was on—</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Leader of the Nationals will pause. This is not a general debate. I ask you to be specific, not stray into second reading amendment territory.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr LITTLEPROUD</name>
    <name.id>265585</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will clarify. I am talking about schedules 1 and 2, and I made that very clear when I sought the call. They go to buybacks and the reason why we don't need buybacks. I am, I believe, being relevant to what I am actually contesting here.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Leader of the Nationals has the call.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr LITTLEPROUD</name>
    <name.id>265585</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you. This is important. This goes to the very heart of what Labor has done. They have torn up the fact that we were going to get away from buybacks because they destroy the communities. The farmers might get the money, but it's the communities that are left behind. The irrigation shops, the machinery dealers and even the hairdressers are the ones that see that these communities are being ripped up. I've seen them in my electorate: the little towns like Dirranbandi and St George. This is nasty ideology that goes to the very heart of tearing up regional Australia.</para>
<para>You couldn't even wait for a Senate inquiry to complete going through the details, understanding the impacts of what this will do to these communities and why buybacks are so detrimental to these communities. You did not even give the respect of going out and talking to these very communities to understand the detrimental impacts this is having not just financially but emotionally. I have had people in my arms crying about losing their very businesses because of water buybacks, because of the destruction of their towns, but this reckless, nasty ideology that will just destroy regional communities is without any understanding and proper process even of wanting to understand and listen to these communities about. The buybacks that they will go towards in adding an additional 450 gigalitres on top of the plan will put sheer destruction through these communities, but there is not even the respect to understand that and go out and listen to these communities.</para>
<para>We were completing this plan with infrastructure and that has been delayed because of this little thing called COVID. There was no need to rush back into buybacks; we just needed to allow the states to build that infrastructure. I do acknowledge that government does want to extend that time for those infrastructure projects to be complete—and in a bipartisan way. It was me when I was minister, with the member for Watson, who was the shadow, that we got through the sustainable diversion limit legislation that allowed that to happen so that infrastructure could be used, not buybacks. Buybacks just don't make sense.</para>
<para>This has simply been about ideological views trying to tear up a bipartisan approach to what is not just important to the environment but important to our people. For those three million that live up and down the basin, their future has just been ripped away with the stroke of a pen by reckless ideology. Their peoples' future has been destroyed, and not even with a show of respect to turn up. This was a bipartisan plan. We were achieving it. We should be proud of what we have achieved. We should stick to the principles that we had when we all entered into this in 2012. They deviated from it for simple political gain, in one city alone, just for those that live in Adelaide. But, for the rest of this nation, you will also pay this bill, because your cost of living will go up. If you take away the tools that farmers need, then you will pay that consequence. This is reckless, nasty policy. This will be a dark day for every community up and down the Murray-Darling Basin. This is a day that we lost bipartisanship on the Murray-Darling Basin Plan, and that stands squarely at your feet.</para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SHARKIE</name>
    <name.id>265980</name.id>
    <electorate>Mayo</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move the amendment circulated in my name:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 1, page 10 (after line 29), after item 20, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">21 After Division 4 of Part 2</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Division 4A — Annual progress reports relating to water recovery targets</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">85AB Secretary to prepare annual reports</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) The Secretary must prepare an annual report on the activities undertaken for the purpose of making progress towards the following:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) increasing the volume of the Basin water resources that is available for environmental use by 450 gigalitres;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the Commonwealth's water recovery target in relation to SDL resource units (as defined in the Basin Plan);</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) projects that relate to adjustments of long-term average sustainable diversion limits under section 23A;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) any other matter specified by the Minister in writing.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) The Secretary must prepare a report under subsection (1) in relation to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the financial year beginning on 1 July 2023; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) each subsequent financial year up to and including the financial year beginning on 1 July 2027.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) The Secretary must provide each report under subsection (1) in relation to a financial year to the Minister by 30 October in the following financial year.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) The Minister must cause a copy of each report under subsection (1) to be tabled in each House of the Parliament within 15 sitting days of that House after the Minister receives the report.</para></quote>
<para>The reason for this amendment is really around transparency and accountability. This amendment will require the minister to come into the parliament each financial year and explain to the parliament and to the nation exactly where we are with respect to the 450 gigalitres and the Murray-Darling Basin Plan in general. I respect every member's position in this place. I also have the very end of the river—I have the most vulnerable part of the river—and we need to ensure that this river is healthy for future generations. So, to all members who are interested in accountability and who are interested in transparency, I would appreciate if you would support this amendment. Thank you.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr McCORMACK</name>
    <name.id>219646</name.id>
    <electorate>Riverina</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Consideration in detail, schedules 1 and 2—this is bad policy.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The member for Riverina, you are entitled to speak on this regarding Ms Sharkie's amendment.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr McCORMACK</name>
    <name.id>219646</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll speak to the amendments, and the amendments include buybacks. The amendments include—</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order. The amendment that we're dealing with before the House is schedule 1, page 10, line 29, after item 20, regarding annual progress reports. It is not about buybacks; this is a detailed amendment about what has been moved before the House.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr McCORMACK</name>
    <name.id>219646</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Annual progress reports also affect buybacks. They do. They go to the point where the buybacks that are going to be put into place, which are unnecessary, will be part of what the member for Mayo's amendment includes. Yes, we all want progress as to where we are, and we would all like to see annual updates. But those annual updates should not include amounts of water taken unfairly out of the river communities, out of the productive communities, out of those communities which grow food. As the Nationals leader has just clearly enunciated, this is nasty policy, this is lazy policy and this is typical Labor policy. We were in process—we were in progress, and you can—</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The member for Riverina will resume his seat. The contents of this debate are specifically, under the standing orders, regarding the specific amendments about financial reports. I know where he is going with this, and I'm trying to be reasonable, but, under the standing orders, he can't talk about history or other topics. This is specifically about what is before the House in this amendment, which is quite narrow. The member for Riverina has the call.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr McCORMACK</name>
    <name.id>219646</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>With all due respect to you, they are annual progress reports on buybacks. The annual progress reports will include an annual update on water taken out of the productive system, which is code for 'buybacks'—which is buybacks.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr McCORMACK</name>
    <name.id>219646</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, it's projects. Thank you, water minister. It is projects which were in place. It's progress and projects which were in place with the neutrality test and which were in place with the clear say-so of states which the former government was working with very closely—Labor states included, noting very carefully and in a very considered way that Victoria is not part of the plans that are in place to change the entire Murray-Darling Basin Plan. A Labor state!</para>
<para>Yes, we want progress. We do want progress reports. We do want updates, but we don't want to see updates on water buybacks because we don't want to see buybacks. That's because buybacks are going to take more productive water. When we have a cost-of-living crisis, we do not want to see everyday, ordinary Australians and families paying more at the checkout for their fresh food and groceries. That's what will happen. The member for Lyons can shake his head all he likes, but that is what will happen. When you take more productive water out of the system, the price of food will go up. And the buybacks will see, yes, farmers selling their water.</para>
<para>Once the Commonwealth enters the water market, it distorts the price of water. The price of water goes up and everybody suffers. They sincerely do. Farmers take the money and run, and they leave communities like Jerilderie, Cobram, Griffith, Narrandera, Leeton, Coleambally and Whitton, where the Indigenous affairs minister is from. She would well know how important this is to a community such as Whitton, in the Murrumbidgee Irrigation Area. We don't want to see those effects on communities which are already crippled by hardships and which are still getting over the last drought. Let me tell you: this will cause another drought—a man-made drought. A drought will be brought on by none other than the member for Sydney, the water minister. This is so unnecessary. Yes, progress reports are important, but buybacks should not be part of the current or future Basin Plan.</para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms WATSON-BROWN</name>
    <name.id>300127</name.id>
    <electorate>Ryan</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>While there are some amendments that we do support in principle, the Greens will be abstaining on amendments to the restoring our rivers bill in the House as a Senate inquiry into this bill is ongoing. We'll be reserving our position for the Senate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr JOYCE</name>
    <name.id>e5d</name.id>
    <electorate>New England</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Are the progress reports going to talk about the progress—or otherwise—of regional towns? Are the progress reports going to give reference to the fact that, especially for Indigenous people in towns that the member for Maranoa knows very well, such as Dirranbandi and St George, the greatest mechanism for social advancement surrounds the irrigation industry? I remember that in Dirranbandi I saw progress. I sold my house to an Aboriginal family. The pub next door—the best pub—was owned by an Aboriginal family. This was the progress—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The Member for New England, this is clearly entering into a policy debate. I want to state to all members: this is a technical debate. This is not a general debate. We've had that. Under the standing orders, if the member continues and doesn't refer to the actual amendment and the clauses within the specific amendment regarding annual reports, regarding the secretary of the department, regarding subsection (1), regarding the financial years and subsequent financial years—you can't simply continue to talk about general issues.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr JOYCE</name>
    <name.id>e5d</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the Speaker. I want to talk about the annual report, and maybe the minister can enlighten us. Will the annual report go to how this is affecting regional towns? Will the annual report—noted in 85AB(1)—actually go to the socioeconomic detriment to the places where these buybacks happen? Will the annual report, as noted in proposed section 85AB(1), go to the effect on closing the gap for Indigenous people, who live in greater proportions in the western areas? Will the annual report talk to the economic advancement of major towns, such as Tamworth in my electorate, where if they can't get access to water then those jobs that the annual report should talk about won't be there. I will give you an example: Camilleri's Baiada. Some 1,100 jobs and over $600 million for the next stage of investment have now been held up because they can't get access to secure water. It's not going to help. It's going to hurt. Who are the people who are going to be covered in that annual report? It has to be an all-encompassing annual report.</para>
<para>In relation to matters specified by the minister in writing, we should make sure the minister provides in writing to this parliament exactly what the wider ramifications of this policy will be. The annual report should also talk about what happened in the past, when we had both the member for Maranoa and the member for Watson—and prior to that myself and the member for Watson—trying to make sure that we avoided precisely what we are doing here. Did the member for Watson get it wrong? This is the Labor Party's policy.</para>
<para>Now we are going to have annual progress reports. The whole statement is a paradox. What's your definition of 'progress'? Is your definition of progress that someone doesn't have a job? Is your definition of progress that the prospect of social advancement in these areas has been removed? Is the definition of progress seen through the eyes of Jerilderie and Dirranbandi, or is it seen through the eyes of Sydney? What's the progress that you're talking about, Minister? As the member for Maranoa, the Leader of the Nationals, said before, it is lived experience. We would like to help you with the definition of how you determine an annual 'progress' report. We are very much alive. We can give you a whole range of suggestions of items that should be tabulated, addressed and spoken to in your annual progress reports. But I think what you'll find, Minister, is there'll be no progress in your progress reports.</para>
<para>An opposition member: Regress.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr JOYCE</name>
    <name.id>e5d</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, regress. Of course, it's going to tick the political box for the people in Sydney, in the seat of Grayndler and other seats. It will tick their boxes. It will tick the boxes for the Greens. But, for us, you're taking us backwards and you're doing it just for a political point.</para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BIRRELL</name>
    <name.id>288713</name.id>
    <electorate>Nicholls</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I want to speak in relation to the annual progress reports relating to water recovery targets. I note proposed section 85AB1(a) refers to a progress report towards increasing the volume of basin water resources that is available for environmental use by 450 gigalitres. The understanding is that the progress report will report on the fact that potentially water will be got through buybacks.</para>
<para>Buybacks are known to be an incredibly corrosive form of water recovery, because we've lived it. People who live in the basin have lived it. They haven't seen progress. They've seen regress when water buybacks have happened. There are better ways of doing it. Water buybacks basically remove the economic fuel of our regions. I wonder how some of those members opposite would feel if a government went into their electorate and removed the vital thing for their economy, because that's what's happening in my electorate of Nicholls in the Goulburn Valley. It's appalling.</para>
<para>The annual progress report talks about 450 gigalitres. The initial Basin Plan talked about how that 450 gigalitres could only be taken if there was no socioeconomic detriment What's happened to the spirit of that? The member for Watson said, 'We've got this thing called the 450 gigalitres, but it requires socioeconomic neutrality.' What happened to that? A lot of people only signed up to the plan—which has taken a huge amount of water out of my region—because there was that socioeconomic neutrality. That was part of the plan. So is this progress report going to talk about the socioeconomic effects in basin communities? Is this report going to talk about what I believe will be incredible economic damage to places like Shepparton? Is the progress report going to talk about what might happen to a business like SPC, which produces processed fruit for Australians and for people all around the world?</para>
<para>Is the progress report going to talk about what might happen to the thriving dairy industry that exports products—and that's one of the reasons why the Victorian government doesn't want this to happen. They understand what an important driver the dairy industry is to their state. But buybacks for the 450 gigalitres are going to smash that industry. So is the progress report going to talk about the progress—or should I say 'regress'—of that industry?</para>
<para>Is the progress report going to talk about what happens to the price of temporary water when allocations are reduced? Some of the speeches from the other side have shown a fundamental lack of understanding about how the water market works. When you take out 450 gigalitres through buybacks, the price of all the rest of the water goes up, and people have to buy that on an annual basis when the allocation's reduced. All of a sudden, their business model doesn't work anymore because the inputs are too high. Farming businesses don't work anymore because the input cost is too high because you remove part of the resource and the cost of the rest of it goes up.</para>
<para>This whole thing, but particularly the 450 gigalitres, is a very sad day for this parliament, and I think the effects will flow on to my communities. We'll feel it first. The progress reports will talk about how much progress there is towards getting rid of the 450. So we'll stop farming, but then it'll flow on to the rest of your electorates because your food prices will go up, or it will be coming in from China. If that's what you want, go ahead and vote for this.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The member for Mayo has moved an amendment, and we are happy to support the amendment. I want to thank the member for Mayo for both this amendment and her ongoing interest and sincere commitment to the future of the Murray-Darling Basin.</para>
<para>As the member for Mayo said, this amendment will require the Secretary of the Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water to prepare an annual progress report relating to water recovery targets. This will include reporting progress towards increasing the volume of basin water resources that is available for environmental use by 450 gigalitres; the Commonwealth's water recovery target, known as the 'bridging the gap target'; projects that relate to the adjustment of the sustainable diversion limits, or the sustainable diversion limit adjustment mechanism projects; and any other matters specified by the minister in writing.</para>
<para>Each year, I'll be required to table an annual progress report relating to the water recovery targets, including the 450-gigalitre target, the bridging the gap target and the projects that relate to the adjustment of the sustainable diversion limit—that's the 605-gigalitre target. This is a common-sense proposal which will strengthen government transparency on the delivery of water quality targets. I am pleased that the government will be able to support the member for Mayo's amendment.</para>
<para>Mr Speaker, can I just add a couple of comments in relation to the comments made by previous speakers on this amendment. The Leader of the Nationals and the member for Riverina have talked about how progress was afoot under them. I'm just going to table the graph that shows what progress happened under the previous government. The member for New England and others have talked about food prices. In fact, in 2011-12, the year when water purchase was highest, when 493 gigalitres of water were bought, food and beverage prices fell by 3.2 per cent. So, in the year that water purchase was highest, 493 gigalitres were bought. Food and beverage prices went down by 3.2 per cent that year.</para>
<para>I think it's important to note that, of course, input costs have impacts on prices. Fuel prices have an impact, water prices have an impact, what's happening to commodities overseas has an impact, droughts have an impact and floods have an impact. The idea that this is a simple, linear equation is just nonsense.</para>
<para>I also want to make a comment about the member for New England talking about water purchase. In 2017, the member for New England took a very special interest in the buyback of water licences in southern Queensland. It just so happened that $80 million of buybacks made by the member for New England, the then minister, was from water licences owned by an investment fund based in the Cayman Islands, established by the now shadow Treasurer. It seems that those opposite are absolutely opposed to water purchase unless it's the member for New England buying it from a company established by the shadow Treasurer. So it seems like not all purchases are a problem.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Joyce</name>
    <name.id>e5d</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise on a point of order, in that this is misleading. The department does the purchases, not the—</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Resume your seat. This wasn't a point of order. Has the minister concluded?</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes. I will just reiterate that the government will be supporting the amendment from the member for Mayo.</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question before the House is that the amendment moved by the honourable member for Mayo be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [10:46] <br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
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            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>81</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Bowen, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burney, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Chalmers, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Chaney, K. E.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Clare, J. D.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Coker, E. A.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J. M.</name>
                  <name>Conroy, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Daniel, Z.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Fernando, C.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jones, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Katter, R. C.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
                  <name>Keogh, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Khalil, P.</name>
                  <name>King, C. F.</name>
                  <name>Lawrence, T. N.</name>
                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Le, D.</name>
                  <name>Leigh, A. K.</name>
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                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
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                  <name>Mitchell, B. K.</name>
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                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
                  <name>O'Connor, B. P. J.</name>
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                  <name>Roberts, T. G.</name>
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                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
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                  <name>Steggall, Z.</name>
                  <name>Swanson, M. J.</name>
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                  <name>Tink, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Vamvakinou, M.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
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                <num.votes>48</num.votes>
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                  <name>Andrews, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Archer, B. K.</name>
                  <name>Birrell, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Broadbent, R. E.</name>
                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
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                  <name>Chester, D. J.</name>
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                  <name>McIntosh, M. I.</name>
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                  <name>Ware, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
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              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.</p>
              </body>
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          </division><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr HAINES</name>
    <name.id>282335</name.id>
    <electorate>Indi</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move amendment (1):</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 1, page 5 (before line 3), before item 2, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1A At the end of subsection 86AA(2)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: Environmental outcomes can also be enhanced in other ways, including increasing the volume of water resources available for environmental use in the Darling-Baaka or in other northern parts of the Murray-Darling Basin.</para></quote>
<para>This amendment is in relation to the new provisions of the Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill 2023 which would allow the Water for the Environment Special Account to be used to purchase water entitlements toward the 450 gigalitres for environmental outcomes. It seeks to explicitly use the special account, including via buybacks, to enhance environmental outcomes in the northern basin. The purpose of this amendment is to ensure that water recovery undertaken by the government towards the 450-gigalitre target is strategic. The government should target water recovery to deliver the maximum environmental benefit at the lowest socioeconomic and environmental cost. Water purchases along the Darling/Baaka or in other parts of the northern parts of the Murray-Darling Basin offer the best potential to achieve this.</para>
<para>When considering this bill I consulted widely, with water expert Lee Baumgartner at the Gulbali Institute; with Suzanna Sheed and Rob Priestly from the Goulburn-Murray Irrigation District; with Dr Anna Roberts and Patten Bridge from the Water for Indi group of experts, which I convened in 2019; with the heads of the local catchment management authorities; with farmers, including Jock Blakeney and Jan Beer on the Goulburn; and with scientists from the Wentworth Group—all underlined to me that the government's approach to water purchases must be strategic. It must consider all areas of the basin, it must aim to maximise benefits and minimise negative impacts, and it should be equitable in terms of distribution of impacts.</para>
<para>Part of such a strategic approach involves recognising the physical limits of the basin system. My electorate of Indi is not only the source of more than half of all the water flowing into the basin but also home to the basin's three largest water storages. As a result, the majority of environmental water already recovered is stored in Indi and flows through Indi. Environmental flows at their existing levels already have considerable negative socioeconomic and environmental impacts. During my visit to farmers along the Goulburn in Indi last week, floodwaters had inundated high-value farmland and destroyed silage, crops, pasture and fencing. High-flow releases of environmental water from the Eildon Weir have cut into the bank of the river, literally undermining century-old red gums, causing them to topple over. Erosion leads to sediment flowing down the river, with detriment to water quality and native fish habitat.</para>
<para>Increases in environmental flows coming out of storage in Indi will only worsen environmental outcomes in these upper reaches of the Goulburn and Murray. Local land and water management organisations have clearly stated that if water is stored in Indi there is almost no way of getting it to South Australia without significant further riverbank erosion from high flows. The potential for further negative environmental impacts in Indi seems particularly inequitable when contrasted with the years of mismanagement and resultant overextraction and environmental collapse across the northern basin.</para>
<para>The dire state of the northern basin is unacceptable and should shock all Australians, yet what is clear from this current reality is that the greatest potential for improvements to environmental outcomes is in the northern basin. This bill as it stands may not restore the health and connectivity of the Darling/Baaka that's so desperately needed. My amendment ensures that efforts to increase environmental water flow in the most degraded part of the Murray-Darling Basin are absolutely on the table.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr COULTON</name>
    <name.id>HWN</name.id>
    <electorate>Parkes</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I speak in opposition to this amendment, particularly to item 1A in the member for Indi's amendment. An easy solution will fix this problem by taking the water from somewhere else, so take it from the northern basin. The northern basin is an ephemeral system that traditionally floods and goes dry. Water in the northern basin, by the way, is one of the biggest employers of Aboriginal people. We've heard a lot in the last month or two about how we care about our Aboriginal brothers and sisters, while we might take the water away for places like Moree, Brewarrina, Burke Narrabri, Wee Waa, Gunnedah, Warren, Narromine, Dubbo. All of these towns rely on water from the northern basin. The reason they grow the crops they grow in the northern basin is that it is an ephemeral stream. I also represent the lakes at Menindee. Are we going to drain the lakes at Menindee more quickly to fulfil that 450-gigalitre promise to South Australia? You can't send the water back upstream, so have you been out and spoken to the people at Menindee about how this amendment will help drain those lakes quicker?</para>
<para>I have been in this place for a long time. This is not my first rodeo when it comes to the water debate in this place. But I've got to say I've never seen before such a turning-away. At least for the first go around, when Minister Burke came up with this policy, there were some safeguards and there was a bit more balance. I actually supported the first Basin Plan. The 450 extra gigs that came in later was not part of the plan. I've never supported that, and now we have the member for Indi saying: 'That's fine, leave my area alone. We'll take it from up in the northern basin.' Incidentally, the Parkes electorate represents a third of the northern basin. My community has already been gutted by this. I suggest that the members might like to go and visit Collarenebri and see what happens there when a hundred jobs are lost, largely Indigenous jobs. Go to Toorale station and see what it's like at Bourke when a hundred jobs and 10 per cent of the ratepayers at Bourke Shire Council are removed. Go to Warren and see what happened when the water was purchased out of there, the businesses that have closed down and the empty streets.</para>
<para>I will not take this lying down. The people of the northern basin have got just as much right to exist. The farmers in my electorate grow more food and fibre per megalitre of water and litre of diesel than anywhere else in the world. They are the most efficient users of water, and they have already taken significant cutbacks. They are very efficient, and I cannot support this amendment.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr H</name>
    <name.id>282335</name.id>
    <electorate>Indi</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>AINES () (): I rise to acknowledge the member for Parkes and his defence of his community. I understand what he is saying. I want to be clear that we each represent our communities in policy debates in this House, and I fully respect his views. I want to be clear, though, that this amendment speaks to targeting and strategic buybacks, and it's very easy when the largest amount of water that flows through the Darling Basin comes from the electorate of Indi to simply target the southern basin. I'm simply asking of the government that they're strategic, that we stop this Swiss-cheese approach of buybacks and that we target those buybacks. In that targeting we must consider the northern basin equally, rather than go simply to the southern basin, where the majority of water is stored.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr LITTLEPROUD</name>
    <name.id>265585</name.id>
    <electorate>Maranoa</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Briefly, this is one of the most divisive, disgraceful amendments I've seen. We've had a nation that's been divided for the last six months, and now the member for Indi wants to come in here and pit community against community up and down the basin. We've had enough of that. We've explored that, and we've had it. The trauma is still there, and we're about to relive it. The member for Indi actually voted in the second reading debate for more buybacks, but then just then articulated the concern about the buybacks for her community. I just don't understand how the member for Indi can, with principle, stand there and support the government's bill to increase buybacks, and then move an amendment that says: 'Well, that's okay, because we don't want it to come from my part of the world.'</para>
<para>This is about equity, and to say that we're going to pit one community against another—we're better than that. This country's better than that and this parliament's better than that. How could you walk in here and say you want to pit one community against another? That's one of the most disgraceful things I've seen in this parliament, and the Nationals will not support it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr HAINES</name>
    <name.id>282335</name.id>
    <electorate>Indi</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I've seen many disgraceful things in this parliament in the time that I've been here, so I do take objection at levelling that. I have consulted widely across my electorate and beyond. What I've asked for in this amendment is that the government consider strategic buybacks that have the best outcome for the impacts that the government are seeking to achieve. If the Leader of the Nationals were to go back and look at my speech from last night—and I encourage him to do so—he would understand that the people of Indi absolutely understand the competing interests of water. This is one of the most contested areas of public policy. What I am putting forward in this amendment is that if we are to do buybacks—and this bill is doing that—then we should do so backed by the science, and they should be done strategically so that we get the best outcomes for those buybacks.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I know exactly where the member for Indi is coming from. She's talked about relying on the science if we are purchasing water and being strategic in those purchases. Of course, the government will do that. But I believe the proposed amendment, as drafted, is unnecessary.</para>
<para>What I really want to do is keep the Water for the Environment Special Account as flexible as possible. The Leader of the Nationals has spoken a number of times about water purchase. I've said in this place—and I've said it consistently, including just this morning to the National Farmers Federation—that it's not the first tool we reach for; it's not the only tool in the box. One of the reasons that we want to keep this flexibility in the Water for the Environment Special Account is so that, if we have other options, including on-farm water efficiency options, water purchase and also other infrastructure programs, rules changes and so on, we have that full suite of options available to us in meeting the objectives of the plan. Consequently, the government won't be supporting this amendment; it is unnecessary. As was set out in the agreement of 22 August 2023, we are proposing as a government that projects that are funded from the Water for the Environment Special Account be based on an overall assessment of value for money, informed by minimising socioeconomic impacts on communities. We will, of course, consider both environmental, utility and water market price, and consequently the government won't be supporting this amendment.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr HAINES</name>
    <name.id>282335</name.id>
    <electorate>Indi</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 1, page 7, after line 16, after item 11, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">11A After subsection 86AJ(3)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3A) In conducting a review under subsection (1), a panel must also consider the effectiveness of payments made, or expected to be made, under paragraph 86AD(2)(c) in relation to a purchase referred to in paragraph 86AD(2)(b).</para></quote>
<para>This amendment relates to the terms of reference for the statutory review of the Water for the Environment Special Account, otherwise known as the WESA. The Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill opens the possibility of the WESA being used to support communities affected by water purchases. However, the bill does not go far enough towards ensuring the adequacy of support for impacted communities. It's here that I want to acknowledge the words of the member for Nicholls in the prior debate about this. We need to make sure, with this new element of the bill, that at every stage we put communities at the centre of compensation.</para>
<para>My amendment would provide a review of government support to affected communities. It would absolutely scrutinise the government's support of communities, ensuring that it's commensurate with impacts experienced, and meaningfully address their needs. The amendment would achieve this by ensuring that the statutory review of WESA considers the effectiveness of payments made using WESA funds to adequately address any social or economic detriment that is associated with purchasing water access rights.</para>
<para>I propose this amendment in the context of the Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill 2023, expanding the scope of options available to the government to deliver the target of the 450 gigalitres to include purchases of water allocations and also, in the context of the removal of the requirement for any projects contributing towards the recovery of 450 gigalitres, to demonstrate a positive or neutral socioeconomic impact. We know that water purchases can have socioeconomic detriment. While the exact extent of the impacts of buybacks on agricultural production, jobs and rural economies can be contested, the reality is that basin communities do hold grave fears about future water buybacks. These communities deserve to be supported, and support shouldn't just be a tokenistic one-off payment for a bit of community beautification or a sports facility, for example.</para>
<para>Support provided to affected communities needs to be a meaningful, long-term driver of community development. It needs to adequately offset the impact of the buybacks and it needs to empower communities to make their own choices as to how they invest in their future. The bottom line is that affected communities should be at the front and centre of government considerations when planning and implementing buybacks. The onus is also on the government to further explore the specific impacts of buybacks on agricultural production, on local jobs and on local economies. I note the important work of Professor Sarah Wheeler in this space. Detailed impact studies will be required to ensure support to communities is commensurate with the effects of buybacks. Thanks to my amendment, the success or failure of Commonwealth efforts to adequately support communities will be held up for the public to see following each review of the WESA.</para>
<para>I thank the Minister for the Environment and Water and the minister's office for working in good faith with me to improve this bill and to improve outcomes for communities by supporting this amendment—if she so does.</para>
<para>Finally, with the enlargement of the measures that can be funded by the WESA, it's my hope that the special account will also be used to provide First Nations groups with meaningful opportunities to protect and enhance cultural values associated with environmental flows. We're hearing today that rivers throughout the Murray-Darling Basin system are the lifeblood of so many communities, including First Nations communities. This bill opens the door to support all impacted basin communities.</para>
<para>I encourage the minister to accept this amendment.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr PASIN</name>
    <name.id>240756</name.id>
    <electorate>Barker</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Whilst I acknowledge the member for Indi's amendment, which is effectively about how we fly the white flag for compensation in regional communities, I can't support it. But I do acknowledge that she has conceded in this place—and I would hope others would listen to her—that water buybacks occasion socioeconomic harm. The water minister in South Australia doesn't accept that premise, which is, quite frankly, ridiculous.</para>
<para>Way back when this agreement was negotiated, it was Craig Knowles who said: 'What we really need is a healthy working river.' I'm not here to fly the white flag. I'm here to ensure we have a healthy working river. Don't take my word for it. Ben Haslett is a premium citrus producer in my electorate. At a recent forum he said: 'You know what I think we're headed towards? We might end up with a healthy river, but it's not going to work anymore, and that's a big deal for us.' Ben is at the coalface, and in my world he's an expert. Let's go to the experts.</para>
<para>Aither published a report in 2020. That report was commissioned by the Victorian Labor government. There's no suggestion that this is a centre-right whitewash. It was the Victorian Labor government. What does this report say? This report says that, if you take an additional 500 gigalitres of water out of the basin, 'there's no horticultural product that will be viable'. Let's be clear here: people think you can remove water and the remaining water will sustain the economy of the basin. When you remove this water from the consumptive pool and you put it in the environmental pool—and I'll come back to that—you drive up the cost of temporary water, and, by driving up the cost of temporary water, various commodity groups in the basin can't remain sustainable. Almond, citrus, dairy—I don't need to list them.</para>
<para>We're doing this at a point in time when the red wine industry is literally on its knees. There are three billion litres of wine around the world that have no home. We consume less than that globally in a year. These people are desperate. The minister opposite will say, 'But these are willing sellers.' Well, these are the kind of willing sellers you get when you're absolutely on your knees. Let's just remember that this isn't a debate about 500 gigalitres; this is a debate about Australian horticulture in the basin, full stop. That's not the member for Barker saying that in some highfalutin, overreaching speech; these are world experts on water economics: Aither.</para>
<para>So what are we doing this for? We're doing it to recover more water for the Commonwealth Environmental Water Holder. Some in this place might be interested to learn that in the last 10 years, the Commonwealth Environmental Water Holder has not used all of its allocation at any point in the last 10 years. In fact, in one particular year, it carried over a thousand gigalitres. Right now what we're saying is we've got to give more water to the environment at the cost of my constituents, my growers—and, by the way, the Riverland population shrunk by 30 per cent last time we did this—to give yet more water to the environmental water user, who haven't yet used their full allocation to this point in any one particular year. You can understand why the environmentalists in my electorate, the 75-year-olds who are going to Ramsar listed sites to plant trees and to dig trenches to get water to the red gums, throw their hands up in despair.</para>
<para>By the way, the farmers don't live next to the Ramsar listed wet sites. Nobody visits them. Certainly the department from Canberra doesn't. I can assure you of that much. So, Friends, let's not fly the white flag. Just to be clear, in my electorate alone, SA's contribution to this target, 32 gigs, is likely to be 5,000 hectares of mandarins and $200 million a year in production gone. That's year on year; that's this year, next year and the year after. Do you know what those opposite are saying? 'She will be right. We'll chuck you $20 million in compensation as a one off. It's all good.' I tell you what: I'm not here to fly the white flag. The people of Barker didn't send me to fly the white flag, and not all South Australians support this approach.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The government will be supporting this amendment to the Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill 2023, and I thank the member for Indi for moving this amendment and for the constructive way in which she's engaged with me and my office on this legislation. This amendment would ensure that the independent review panel considers the effectiveness of payments made using WESA funds that are made to address any socioeconomic impacts of voluntary water purchases. It will make sure we're examining the effectiveness of any payments made to offset any detrimental social or economic impacts on the wellbeing of any community in the Murray-Darling Basin because of a voluntary water purchase.</para>
<para>The member for Barker, I just need to take issue: you can't just make up figures like this. There is a lot of contested modelling around this.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Pasin</name>
    <name.id>240756</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You're the expert?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEP</name>
    <name.id>265979</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! You were given a fair go during your speech, so please let the minister speak.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I think this is a time for rational and sensible debate. I thank the member for Indi for the way that she's engaging in that.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question before the House is that the amendment moved by the honourable member for Indi be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [11:19]<br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick)</p>
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                <num.votes>81</num.votes>
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                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Bowen, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burney, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Chalmers, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Chaney, K. E.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Clare, J. D.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Coker, E. A.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J. M.</name>
                  <name>Conroy, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Daniel, Z.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Fernando, C.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jones, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
                  <name>Keogh, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Khalil, P.</name>
                  <name>King, C. F.</name>
                  <name>Lawrence, T. N.</name>
                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Le, D.</name>
                  <name>Marles, R. D.</name>
                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
                  <name>McBain, K. L.</name>
                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
                  <name>Miller-Frost, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Mitchell, B. K.</name>
                  <name>Mulino, D.</name>
                  <name>Murphy, P. J.</name>
                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
                  <name>O'Connor, B. P. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neil, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Payne, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Perrett, G. D.</name>
                  <name>Phillips, F. E.</name>
                  <name>Plibersek, T. J.</name>
                  <name>Rae, S. T.</name>
                  <name>Reid, G. J.</name>
                  <name>Repacholi, D. P.</name>
                  <name>Rishworth, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Rowland, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, M. M.</name>
                  <name>Scamps, S. A.</name>
                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Sharkie, R. C. C.</name>
                  <name>Shorten, W. R.</name>
                  <name>Sitou, S.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. P. B. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Spender, A. M.</name>
                  <name>Stanley, A. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Steggall, Z.</name>
                  <name>Swanson, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Templeman, S. R.</name>
                  <name>Thistlethwaite, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Thwaites, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Tink, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Vamvakinou, M.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>48</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Andrews, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Archer, B. K.</name>
                  <name>Birrell, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Broadbent, R. E.</name>
                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
                  <name>Caldwell, C. M.</name>
                  <name>Chester, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Coleman, D. B.</name>
                  <name>Coulton, M. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Entsch, W. G.</name>
                  <name>Fletcher, P. W.</name>
                  <name>Goodenough, I. R. </name>
                  <name>Hamilton, G. R.</name>
                  <name>Hastie, A. W.</name>
                  <name>Hawke, A. G.</name>
                  <name>Howarth, L. R.</name>
                  <name>Joyce, B. T. G.</name>
                  <name>Landry, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Leeser, J.</name>
                  <name>Ley, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Littleproud, D.</name>
                  <name>Marino, N. B.</name>
                  <name>McCormack, M. F.</name>
                  <name>McIntosh, M. I.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, Z. A.</name>
                  <name>O'Brien, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Pasin, A.</name>
                  <name>Pearce, G. B.</name>
                  <name>Pike, H. J.</name>
                  <name>Pitt, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Price, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Ramsey, R. E. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Stevens, J.</name>
                  <name>Sukkar, M. S.</name>
                  <name>Taylor, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Tehan, D. T.</name>
                  <name>Thompson, P.</name>
                  <name>van Manen, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Vasta, R. X.</name>
                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
                  <name>Ware, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, R. J.</name>
                  <name>Wolahan, K.</name>
                  <name>Wood, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Young, T. J.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names />
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.</p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr HAINES</name>
    <name.id>282335</name.id>
    <electorate>Indi</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move amendment (3), as circulated in my name:</para>
<quote><para class="block">11A After subsection 86AJ(3)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3A) In conducting a review under subsection (1), a panel must also consider the effectiveness of payments made, or expected to be made, under paragraph 86AD(2)(c) in relation to a purchase referred to in paragraph 86AD(2)(b).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) Schedule 2, item 21, page 16 (lines 3 to 5), omit subsection 7.08A(3), substitute:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) The roadmap, and any substantive amendments of the roadmap, must be prepared in consultation with:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the Basin States; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the Commonwealth; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) affected communities and landholders; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) the public.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Consultation must be active, timely and address the underpinning science for the intended measures and outcomes.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Schedule 2, item 49, page 24 (lines 9 to 13), omit the item.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) Schedule 2, page 24 (after line 13), after item 49, insert:</para></quote>
<para>The amendment requires road maps for the constraints relaxation projects to be prepared in consultation with the basin states, the Commonwealth, affected communities, landholders and the public. Consultation must be active and timely and must address the underpinning science for the intended measures and outcomes. Constraints relaxation projects are an important part of delivering environmental benefits for the basin. This bill aims to drive progress for delivery constraints projects across the southern basin by allowing the Murray-Darling Basin Authority to develop and implement constraints road maps.</para>
<para>When I consulted on this bill, I heard from farmers and land and water management authorities that flooding resulting from environmental flows can have negative impacts on farming properties, infrastructure and riverbanks. Just last week, I visited local farmers Jock Blakeney and Jan Beer on the Goulburn River, who showed me what can happen to farms when floods occur because of high flows from Eildon weir, one of the basin's largest water storages. Jock, Jan and other farmers on the Goulburn and below Hume dam, the largest water storage, stand to be significantly impacted by increased environmental flows. Jock pointed out pastures under water that had been mere days away from being cut for silage; that crop is now lost. In other areas, silage bales were like islands dotted throughout flooded paddocks.</para>
<para>These are areas that have been flooded multiple times in the recent La Nina years, with each flood killing pasture, introducing weeds and damaging fencing. Returning the land to production after a flood takes time and money, and, with the potential for environmental flows to result in flooding in seven out of 10 years, local farmers are questioning whether it's worth continuing to farm on these areas.</para>
<para>Part of the issue is the timing of water releases. For many, mid-spring to late spring is too late to be releasing high volumes of environmental water flows, as spring is the very time when farmers are trying to apply fertiliser, grow silage and put cattle on the most productive areas. Further, I've heard that landholders are not provided with adequate warning of when releases will occur and what the intended outcomes of the releases are. The Murray-Darling Basin Authority often does not provide specific information about locally important issues, like these constraints projects.</para>
<para>This amendment ensures that affected communities and landholders are adequately consulted about a constraints project affecting them, including the intended outcomes. Communities dissatisfied with basin state or Commonwealth efforts to engage with or compensate them on constraints projects should have avenues for recourse. This is not in the bill, but I urge the minister to please consider this further. Increased flows could change the way of life of these communities in the same way that buybacks could change the way of life of other communities. Therefore, all negatively impacted communities deserve to be engaged with, listened to and compensated, and that's what this amendment seeks to achieve.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I completely understand the intent of the member for Indi in moving this amendment and in flagging the importance of effective community consultation and other landholder consultation on the constraints relaxation program. I absolutely understand and agree with the intent. However, the government won't be supporting this amendment, because we believe that the measures that we've already taken to ensure that consultation will do the job that the member for Indi has identified. The constraints relaxation program is absolutely critical to making sure that, when we recover water for environmental purposes, that water makes it safely into the areas that require it, including into the flood plains that require that watering.</para>
<para>The bill already requires the Murray-Darling Basin Authority to undertake consultation for the constraints relaxation implementation road map, both during the development of that road map and at any time that it's amended. In addition to the requirements in the bill, state governments, which are responsible for implementing these programs, must also undertake stakeholder consultation through the existing federation funding agreements, including community engagement and negotiation frameworks and plans. I also want to reassure the member for Indi that, as part of the constraints relaxation implementation road map, a new independent constraints facilitator will make sure that we do much better community and landholder consultation when it comes to constraints relaxation.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr HAINES</name>
    <name.id>282335</name.id>
    <electorate>Indi</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move amendments (4) to (6), as circulated in my name, together:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Schedule 2, item 49, page 24 (lines 9 to 13), omit the item.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) Schedule 2, page 24 (after line 13), after item 49, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">49A After subsection 7.27(1)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1A) The Inspector-General may:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) audit calculations made by the Authority for the purposes of Parts 2 and 4; or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) appoint or establish a person or body that is independent of the Authority to audit calculations made by the Authority for the purposes of Parts 2 and 4.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) Schedule 2, item 50, page 24 (line 15), after "Inspector-General", insert "(unless the Inspector-General is conducting the audit)".</para></quote>
<para>Under the 2012 Basin Plan, basin states and the Commonwealth agreed to recover 2,750 gigalitres of water for the environment. To achieve this goal, the Basin Plan allows states to propose projects that will deliver an equivalent environmental outcome to buying back water licences without removing water from the consumptive pool. This is known as the sustainable diversion limit adjustment mechanism, and projects are referred to as sustainable diversion limit adjustment mechanism projects, or SDLAM projects. In total, the proposed SDLAM projects promise to deliver 605 gigalitres of equivalent environmental benefits, yet we're seeing delays. There are significant questions about whether the projects will deliver the promised benefits. In New South Wales, in particular, many of these projects have not even begun or have changed so significantly that they will not deliver the promised benefits.</para>
<para>This bill extends the deadline for these SDLAM projects. I support that. It also includes provisions which ensure basin states are held to account for meeting their obligations in relation to these projects. These are important provisions, which I support, so we can deliver on the 2012 base plan targets, but they can be improved.</para>
<para>Independent and transparent scrutiny of these projects is absolutely necessary to ensure the Australian public and the environment are not being short-changed on taxpayer money for projects to return water to the basin. This scrutiny is the role of the Inspector-General of Water Compliance. The inspector-general must have appropriate powers to hold basin states accountable and to determine compliance with sustainable diversion limits and the promised outcomes of projects.</para>
<para>My amendments further strengthen the inspector-general's powers to make sure the states and projects are delivering. They enable the inspector to undertake an independent audit of the Murray-Darling Basin Authority's sustainable diversion limit, or SDL, calculations. These audits can be undertaken by the inspector-general or an independent person or body they appoint. SDLAM accounting, knowing what water is returned to the environment via supply or efficiency projects, should be done in a comprehensive, transparent and publicly accessible way that uses the best available science. This is to ensure that benefits for the environment are aligned with the targets of the Basin Plan.</para>
<para>It's the general practice of the inspector to make its work publicly available and therefore transparent, so, if these independent audits are showing that projects are not meeting their promised environmental benefits, we will know. The public then must see a path to compliance or a path to ensure the environmental benefits are delivered by other means.</para>
<para>In drafting this amendment, I particularly wish to thank the Water for Indi group, a voluntary community group that I set up in 2019 with local experts, including Dr Anna Roberts and Patten Bridge, who have experience across all impacted sectors. Water for Indi note that improved accountability includes the need to provide better publicly accessible information, such as catchment-by-catchment information about sustainable diversion limits and progress against meeting catchment-by-catchment targets. We need to improve the granularity of hydrological modelling and water reporting units, and, linked to this, we need better data and we need whole-of-basin modelling. Better data includes additional gauges to report on inflows and outflows of tributaries across the basin.</para>
<para>The Wentworth Group of Concerned Scientists' work also informed this amendment, and they want that process used by the basin authority for determining the sustainable diversion limit with the best available science.</para>
<para>Improving data and modelling will improve the accountability and outcome for all basin actors, and any independent audit must encompass these best-practice methods. I thank the minister and her office for working with me so constructively on this particular amendment, and I look forward to her response.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As Dr Haines, the member for Indi, has said, this amendment will empower the Inspector-General of Water Compliance to undertake an audit of the Murray-Darling Basin Authority's sustainable diversion limit calculations in their capacity as an independent entity. The amendment further bolsters the audit powers of the inspector-general to ensure accountability and transparency of water accounting methods relating to the sustainable diversion limit adjustment mechanism reconciliation process and the 450-gigalitre target.</para>
<para>I'm very pleased that the government have been able to work so constructively with the member for Indi on these amendments (4) to (6), as circulated in her name, and that we have been able to work with both the member for Indi and the member for Mayo to strengthen the accountability mechanisms in this bill.</para>
<para>Of those sustainable diversion limit adjustment mechanism projects that the member has alluded to, about a third are complete, about a third are on track and about a third are looking quite dicey. We'll continue to work with the states. Extending the time frames in the plan, as we're doing with this legislation, gives us the opportunity to complete those projects that can be completed. We've also said to basin states and the ACT that we're happy to look at additional projects, should they emerge. I'll spend a moment saying that the Inspector-General of Water Compliance has done an excellent job to date. Engaging the inspector-general in this way is an excellent step to increase compliance and transparency, and I thank the member for putting forward the amendments.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that amendments (4) to (6), moved by the honourable member for Indi, be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</continue>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [11:39] <br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>82</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Albanese, A. N.</name>
                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Bowen, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burney, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Chalmers, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Chaney, K. E.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Clare, J. D.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Coker, E. A.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J. M.</name>
                  <name>Conroy, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Daniel, Z.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Fernando, C.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jones, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
                  <name>Keogh, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Khalil, P.</name>
                  <name>King, C. F.</name>
                  <name>Lawrence, T. N.</name>
                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Le, D.</name>
                  <name>Leigh, A. K.</name>
                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
                  <name>McBain, K. L.</name>
                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
                  <name>Miller-Frost, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Mitchell, B. K.</name>
                  <name>Mulino, D.</name>
                  <name>Murphy, P. J.</name>
                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
                  <name>O'Connor, B. P. J.</name>
                  <name>O'Neil, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Payne, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Perrett, G. D.</name>
                  <name>Phillips, F. E.</name>
                  <name>Plibersek, T. J.</name>
                  <name>Rae, S. T.</name>
                  <name>Reid, G. J.</name>
                  <name>Repacholi, D. P.</name>
                  <name>Rishworth, A. L.</name>
                  <name>Roberts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Rowland, M. A.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Ryan, M. M.</name>
                  <name>Scamps, S. A.</name>
                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Sharkie, R. C. C.</name>
                  <name>Shorten, W. R.</name>
                  <name>Sitou, S.</name>
                  <name>Smith, D. P. B. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Spender, A. M.</name>
                  <name>Stanley, A. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Steggall, Z.</name>
                  <name>Swanson, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Templeman, S. R.</name>
                  <name>Thistlethwaite, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Thwaites, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Tink, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Vamvakinou, M.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>48</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Andrews, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Archer, B. K.</name>
                  <name>Birrell, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Broadbent, R. E.</name>
                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
                  <name>Caldwell, C. M.</name>
                  <name>Chester, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Coleman, D. B.</name>
                  <name>Coulton, M. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Entsch, W. G.</name>
                  <name>Fletcher, P. W.</name>
                  <name>Gillespie, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Goodenough, I. R. </name>
                  <name>Hamilton, G. R.</name>
                  <name>Hastie, A. W.</name>
                  <name>Hawke, A. G.</name>
                  <name>Howarth, L. R.</name>
                  <name>Joyce, B. T. G.</name>
                  <name>Landry, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Leeser, J.</name>
                  <name>Ley, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Littleproud, D.</name>
                  <name>Marino, N. B.</name>
                  <name>McIntosh, M. I.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, Z. A.</name>
                  <name>O'Brien, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Pasin, A.</name>
                  <name>Pearce, G. B.</name>
                  <name>Pike, H. J.</name>
                  <name>Pitt, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Price, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Ramsey, R. E. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Stevens, J.</name>
                  <name>Sukkar, M. S.</name>
                  <name>Taylor, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Tehan, D. T.</name>
                  <name>Thompson, P.</name>
                  <name>van Manen, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Vasta, R. X.</name>
                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
                  <name>Ware, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, R. J.</name>
                  <name>Wolahan, K.</name>
                  <name>Wood, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Young, T. J.</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names />
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to. </p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms DANIEL</name>
    <name.id>008CH</name.id>
    <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move amendments (1), (3) and (4), as circulated in my name, together:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Clause 2, page 3 (at the end of the table), add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) Schedule 2, page 11 (after line 7), after item 1, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1A Subsection 6.08(5)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Omit "following the commencement of a water resource plan".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1B Subsection 6.08(6)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Repeal the subsection.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Page 99 (after line 18), at the end of the Bill, add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 7 — Responding to climate change</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Water Act 2007</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1 Before paragraph 3(a)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(aa) to recognise and acknowledge:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) the threat of the impacts of climate change to the communities, environment and industries of the Murray-Darling Basin; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) the need for immediate and urgent action in response; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2 Subsection 4(1)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">National Standard</inline> means the standard determined under section 53A.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">3 Before paragraph 20(a)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(aa) immediate, urgent and adaptive responses to the impacts of climate change; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">4 Before subsection 21(1)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Basin Plan to respond to the impacts of climate change</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1A) The Basin Plan (including any environmental watering plan or water quality and salinity management plan included in the Basin Plan) must be prepared so as to provide immediate, urgent and adaptive responses to the impacts of climate change.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">5 Subsection 21(4)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">After "Subject to subsections", insert "(1A),".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">6 After subsection 53(1)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1A) There is to be a National Standard for Managing Water in a Changing Climate. Water resource plans must be consistent with this National Standard.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">7 After Subdivision A of Division 2 of Part 2</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Subdivision AA — National Standard for Managing Water in a Changing Climate</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">53A National Standard for Managing Water in a Changing Climate</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) The Minister must, by legislative instrument, determine a National Standard for Managing Water in a Changing Climate that sets out minimum standards for water planning and management rules and practices.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) The Minister must ensure that the minimum standards are an immediate, urgent and adaptive response to the impacts of climate change.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">53B Basin State water planning and management rules and practices must meet the National Standard</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Each Basin State must ensure that its water planning and management rules and practices comply with the National Standard.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">8 Before subsection 55(1)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1A) A water resource plan for a water resource plan area must comply with the National Standard.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">9 After paragraph 172(1)(a)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(aa) to review Basin State water planning and management rules and practices to ensure objectives can be achieved under likely climate scenarios;</para></quote>
<para>I apologise to the minister and the chamber, especially my crossbench colleagues—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Just pause. If members can leave the chamber—there is far too much noise for the member for Goldstein to be heard. She has the call.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms DANIEL</name>
    <name.id>008CH</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I apologise to the minister and the chamber, especially my crossbench colleagues, for the lateness of these amendments. I appreciate the diligence with which the minister's staff have consulted with me on this important legislation. While I understand the lateness of these amendments means they won't pass, I hope the government will consider integrating these elements as the bill progresses.</para>
<para>My first and fourth amendments would require climate change and its impacts on the Murray-Darling to be taken into account in the administration of the Murray-Darling Basin Plan. The fact is that the Darling is already suffering significant stress, and all of us should worry about the consequences for the Menindee Lakes and the Coorong, for example, should we suffer another drought, which seems highly likely. According to the Murray-Darling Basin Authority, winter rainfall and stream flow in the southern basin have declined by nearly 40 per cent since the mid-1990s, and climate change is only making it more difficult. This is not a climate trigger, although I believe that should be a feature of much other legislation. This would, though, incorporate climate change into the objects of the act. Its absence is a significant oversight, and this would rectify a serious omission.</para>
<para>The third amendment goes to water resource plans, which are an integral part of implementing the Murray-Darling Basin Plan. All jurisdictions, other than New South Wales, have successfully completed their MDB Water Resource Plans and had them accredited. But, as the Wentworth Group points out, despite being more than four years late and having accumulated deficits over the past three years as a result of overextraction in the case of the Barwon-Darling and the Gwydir River systems, these cumulative deficits will be zeroed under provisions in the existing Basin Plan when the New South Wales Water Resource Plan is accredited by the Commonwealth. As all other jurisdictions have met their commitments under the plan to submit and have their Water Resource Plans accredited by the Commonwealth, New South Wales remains the only jurisdiction not to have done so. When they eventually do, they will not be penalised from exceeding the SDLs from 2019 to the accreditation date. The amendment is designed to remedy this oversight.</para>
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</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr HAINES</name>
    <name.id>282335</name.id>
    <electorate>Indi</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to support the member for Goldstein's amendments in relation to the impacts of climate change on the basin. They seek to amend the Water Act to recognise and acknowledge the threat of climate change to the communities, environment and industries of the Murray-Darling Basin, and the need for immediate and urgent action in response.</para>
<para>These amendments also require the Basin Plan to be prepared to provide immediate, urgent and adaptive responses to the impacts of climate change. The current Basin Plan doesn't integrate the impacts of climate change at all. In my consultations on this bill, I heard time and time again that this is a significant failure. We must confront the facts. Climate change already does, and will increasingly, cause declines in average water inflows into the basin and increases in flow variability. And we can't stick our heads in the sand on this; we've known this to be the case for years. In 2007, when the Water Act was passed, the CSIRO estimated that by 2020 average annual flows could decline by about 15 per cent due to climate change; recovery from bushfire; farm, dam and plantation expansion; and increasing use of groundwater. I've seen this up-front in my electorate.</para>
<para>The CSIRO's estimates, in fact, came true. And it wasn't the Greens or the scientists themselves that brought them to the public's attention in 2007. I'd like to remind the House that it was John Howard, in his address to the National Press Club in 2007, where he stated:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… with the prospect of long-term climate change, we need radical and permanent change.</para></quote>
<para>And:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That means looking at the evidence as it emerges …</para></quote>
<para>So radical and permanent change led to the Water Act and the Basin Plan, and it was John Howard who said those words.</para>
<para>We need a Murray-Darling Basin Plan that puts us on the front foot, with a healthy river system that delivers for basin towns, communities, farmers and the environment, and which is resilient in the face of a changing climate. While I understand that the member for Goldstein's amendments won't be passed today, their aim is to address that. Ultimately, if we can't incorporate climate change into our complex public policy on the Murray-Darling Basin Plan, then we have serious, serious issues that we will be confronting when we seek to draw up the next plan. So I commend the member for Goldstein for her amendments.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I want to thank the member for Goldstein for her work and the work of her office with my office and officials on proposing these amendments to the Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill. The member for Goldstein has mentioned that we've only just received them this morning, and I understand the reason for that: her office has been much occupied with the very difficult situation in Israel at the moment, with many constituents requiring her attention. So I completely understand why the amendments have only just now been presented to the parliament.</para>
<para>While there are a number of elements here that we broadly agree with, we won't be supporting the amendments today. The government will continue to work with the member for Goldstein on the very strong issue she has on better environmental outcomes that the restoring our rivers bill is intended to produce. I want to thank her for her continued engagement. We really have seen a decade of delay on the delivery of the Murray-Darling Basin Plan, and one of the things that we've observed through that decade is the impact of climate change right across Australia but most particularly in the Murray-Darling Basin. We know that climate change is already impacting the basin, with record droughts punctuated by the most intense floods. Environmentally, it has been a very, very difficult time for the people living in those basin communities. Sadly, we know that climate change means that those impacts will not only continue but are likely to worsen. We don't, for a moment, discount the seriousness of the issues that the member for Goldstein is alluding to.</para>
<para>One of the most important things that we can do now is actually deliver on the Basin Plan to make sure that we prepare. We know we're going into another hot, dry cycle; we know that. The Bureau of Meteorology has told us that we're going into another hot, dry cycle. For the benefit of everybody whose livelihood depends on the basin, for those communities—three million people rely on this river system for their drinking water—and, of course, for the environment, we need to prepare now for those hotter, dryer times that are coming.</para>
<para>I want to reassure the member for Goldstein that we are taking this very seriously. We're investing $22 million to update Murray-Darling Basin science for the very reason that she's mentioned today. We're assessing the impact of climate change on the 16 Ramsar listed wetlands in the basin to support their future protection and management. We're reinstating the Sustainable Rivers Audit to track and report on the health of basin rivers. We're updating the CSIRO sustainable yields study to show how much water will be available in the future with climate change. We are doing that scientific work now. We are making those investments.</para>
<para>In addition, the government is investing $103.7 million in the Murray-Darling Basin Authority to review the Murray-Darling Basin Plan. This forward-looking review is a once-in-a-decade opportunity to futureproof the basin based on updated science and information. We're doing the science now, and one of the reasons we don't agree with the proposal to change the date of the review of the Water Act is because we want to get this science done and the review of the plan done. The review of the Murray-Darling Basin Plan will consider the challenge posed by climate change and set the basin up for the future, ensuring that the river system is healthy, and the basin is sustainable.</para>
<para>Of course, we're also going to look more broadly. The impact of climate change is not confined to the Murray-Darling Basin, so our renewed National Water Initiative will look at our water needs nationally, because we know that they will also be affected in other states and territories by the impact of climate change.</para>
<para>I very much understand the intent of what the member for Goldstein has moved, and we will look at some of these elements in the Senate, but for today we will not be able to support the proposals as suggested.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>74046</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is the amendments (1), (3) and (4) as moved by the member for Goldstein be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms DANIEL</name>
    <name.id>008CH</name.id>
    <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move amendment (2) as circulated in my name:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 1, item 1, page 4 (line 6), omit "2027", substitute "2026".</para></quote>
<para>As the minister mentioned previously, the legislation incorporates a number of reviews. Mine is simple. The existing legislation sets a review of the act for 2024. Because of the delays entrenched in this bill, the government is proposing that it be delayed until 2027. There is an argument, given what we've seen over the lifetime of the plan, that it should remain at 2024, particularly given the integrity issues within the system. As a compromise, I'm suggesting in this amendment that it be 2026, based on the advice of the Wentworth Group of Concerned Scientists and others, a year before the latest commitments for this much-delayed plan are due to be met. Transparency and accountability are paramount to the success of this plan, from my point of view, and, of course, that was a key pillar on which I and other members of the crossbench were elected.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move government amendments (1) to (31), as circulated, together and present a supplementary explanatory memorandum:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 2, item 2, page 11 (line 16), omit "publish guidelines", substitute "issue and publish guidelines under subsection 215V(1)".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 2, item 2, page 11 (after line 18), at the end of subsection (2), add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: The Inspector-General must consult the Basin States, and have regard to any submissions made by the Basin States, in preparing guidelines under section 215V: see section 215VB.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) Schedule 2, item 2, page 12 (line 8), omit "publish guidelines", substitute "issue and publish guidelines under subsection 215V(1)".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Schedule 2, item 2, page 12 (after line 10), at the end of subsection (2), add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: The Inspector-General must consult the Basin States, and have regard to any submissions made by the Basin States, in preparing guidelines under section 215V: see section 215VB.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) Schedule 2, item 48, page 24 (line 4), after "SDL", insert "resource".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) Schedule 3, item 2, page 47 (after line 18), at the end of subsection 100ZH(3), add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matters in this subsection: see section 154E.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(7) Schedule 3, item 2, page 48 (after line 5), at the end of subsection 100ZJ(3), add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matters in this subsection: see section 154E.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(8) Schedule 3, item 2, page 48 (after line 21), at the end of subsection 100ZK(3), add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matters in this subsection: see section 154E.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(9) Schedule 3, item 3, page 49 (line 15), definition of <inline font-style="italic">material effect</inline>, before "a decision", insert "for the purposes of Part 5A,".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(10) Schedule 3, item 4, page 52 (after line 11), after subsection 101B(3), insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3A) A person who provides a water markets decision to the Bureau under paragraph (1)(a), or reports the announcement of a water markets decision to the Bureau under paragraph (3)(a), must comply with the requirements (if any) prescribed by the regulations in relation to the manner or form in which one or more of the following are provided:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the decision;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the report;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) details in relation to the decision or the report.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(11) Schedule 3, item 4, page 52 (line 13), omit "or (3)", substitute ", (3) or (3A)".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(12) Schedule 3, item 4, page 58 (after line 31), at the end of subsection 101M(3), add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matters in this subsection: see section 154E.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(13) Schedule 3, item 4, page 59 (after line 19), at the end of subsection 101N(3), add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matters in this subsection: see section 154E.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(14) Schedule 3, item 4, page 59 (after line 34), at the end of subsection 101P(3), add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matters in this subsection: see section 154E.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(15) Schedule 3, item 4, page 60 (before line 1), at the end of Part 5A, add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Division 8 — Information required under this Part and Part 7</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">101Q Interaction between this Part and Part 7</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">If, apart from this section, a person would be required to give the same information to the Bureau under this Part and Part 7:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the person is required to give the information under this Part; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) if the person gives the information under this Part—the person is not required to give the information under Part 7.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(16) Schedule 3, item 17, page 82 (lines 11 and 12), omit the note.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(17) Schedule 4, heading to Part 1, page 84 (line 4), after "water", insert "access".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(18) Schedule 4, item 2, page 84 (line 13), after "water", insert "access".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(19) Schedule 6, item 6, page 89 (after line 10), after paragraph 137(ba), insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(baa) the ACCC if the contravention is a contravention of a provision of Part 10AC; or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(20) Schedule 6, item 8, page 89 (line 21), omit ", regulations made for the purposes of Part 5,".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(21) Schedule 6, page 90 (after line 21), after item 9, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">9A Subparagraphs 215C(1)(a)(i) and (ii) and (b)(i) and (ii)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Omit "10A", substitute "5, 10A, 10AC".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">9B After paragraph 215C(2)(a)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ab) by the ACCC under Part 8; or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(22) Schedule 6, item 10, page 92 (after line 10), after subsection 239AJ(5), insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5A) A person is liable to a civil penalty if:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the person refuses or fails to comply with a notice under subsection (2); or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) in purported compliance with such a notice, knowingly gives information or evidence that is false or misleading.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Civil penalty: 100 penalty units.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(23) Schedule 6, item 10, page 92 (after line 14), after subsection 239AJ(6), insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6A) Paragraph (5A)(a) does not apply to the extent that the person is not capable of complying with the notice.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matters in this subsection: see section 154E.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(24) Schedule 6, item 10, page 92 (after line 23), after subsection 239AJ(7), insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(7A) Paragraph (5A)(a) does not apply to the extent that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the notice relates to producing documents; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the person proves that, after a reasonable search, the person is not aware of the documents; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) the person provides a written response to the notice, including a description of the scope and limitations of the search.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(25) Schedule 6, item 10, page 92 (lines 24 and 25), omit "paragraph (7)(b), a determination of whether a search is reasonable for the purposes of that paragraph", substitute "paragraphs (7)(b) and (7A)(b), a determination of whether a search is reasonable for the purposes of those paragraphs".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(26) Schedule 6, item 10, page 93 (line 10), after "<inline font-style="italic">Code</inline>", insert "and section 154E of this Act".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(27) Schedule 6, item 10, page 93 (line 15), after "<inline font-style="italic">Code</inline>", insert "and section 154E of this Act".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(28) Schedule 6, item 17, page 96 (line 1), definition of <inline font-style="italic">relevant agency</inline>, after "means", insert ", for the purposes of Part 5A".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(29) Schedule 6, page 97 (after line 15), after item 30, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">30A Subparagraphs 215C(1)(a)(i) and (ii) and (b)(i) and (ii)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">After "5,", insert "5A,".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(30) Schedule 6, page 98 (line 2), heading to Part 3, after "information", add "and annual reporting".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(31) Schedule 6, page 99 (after line 12), after item 41, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">41A At the end of section 215Y</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) The Minister must cause a copy of each annual report to be tabled in each House of the Parliament within 15 sitting days of that House after the Minister receives the report.</para></quote>
<para>There are a number of amendments that I have proposed today, because we have continued to take on feedback provided by basin states, by commonwealth agencies, by industry and by community stakeholders on the version of the bill that was introduced to the parliament on 28 September 2023. The government is introducing amendments to the bill to: firstly, strengthen transparency and accountability in the Basin Plan, including for the role of the Inspector-General of Water Compliance; secondly, ensure the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission can enforce its new information-gathering powers by making the ACCC the appropriate enforcement agency and adding a civil penalty provision for contraventions; thirdly, ensure the Inspector-General for Water Compliance does not have oversight of the ACCC or the Commonwealth or basin agencies that the ACCC regulates in relation to the integrity and conduct obligations in the bill; and, fourthly, to make minor and technical amendments in response to feedback from Commonwealth and basin state agencies and to ensure the bill would operate as intended.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr LITTLEPROUD</name>
    <name.id>265585</name.id>
    <electorate>Maranoa</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>While there are a considerable number of amendments here, we were only made aware of them late last night, and obviously there are a number of them that should bear some more scrutiny. One in particular goes to the heart—it tears away at the very tenet of our judicial system, around the presumption of innocence. I think that sets a very dangerous precedent where the onus of proof and the evidential burden are now on an individual, which goes against the very key tenet that has underpinned our judicial system. I don't know why an irrigator would be treated any differently to anyone else in our community.</para>
<para>Though the minister talks about how these amendments have come from feedback—yet they were only prepared to give them to us late last night—the feedback has been very, very narrow in its scope. The government hasn't bothered to go and visit basin communities and sit down and have public meetings or town hall meetings with them. If the courage of your convictions on this is so strong, wouldn't you go and articulate the science when you articulate the reason why you are doing this to the very people whose lives and livelihoods you are changing in such a significant way? Instead, they voted against a Senate inquiry that would actually go and visit real communities instead of just putting them in Canberra and Adelaide. There was no opportunity to go to Griffith, no opportunity to go to St George or Dirranbandi and no opportunity to go down to Mildura or Shepparton to actually listen to the impacts of what this is doing.</para>
<para>You are tearing up the very legislation, which you created and we supported in a bipartisan way in 2012, to understand that these communities have accepted that Basin Plan. We are about to complete the Basin Plan, but now you want to shift the goalposts and add another 450 gigalitres of water without any safeguards. These are the safeguards that the member for Watson, who was the water minister, brought in. He did the right thing because he understood the pain that we put on these communities. We have borne and we have accepted those safeguards, but now you're seeking to change those rules and add another 450 gigalitres without even talking to these communities. That is nasty ideology that turns its back on the men and women in the basin communities. These men and women have had the courage of their conviction, their sweat and their money to go and invest and to change their lives to create a future for their children. It's being ripped away by a government that doesn't have the courage of its own conviction to face them. The government doesn't have the courage of conviction to stand there and prosecute why it is tearing up the very piece of legislation that it asked us to support, which we did in a bipartisan way in 2012.</para>
<para>There's been a lot of water recovered for the environment. The last bit should be recovered through infrastructure, not through buybacks. That is common sense. We are a smart nation, we're a proud nation. Why wouldn't we back ourselves and protect Australians who have had the courage to start a business, to produce your food and fibre? Why wouldn't you back them? Why wouldn't a government back them if we want to get back to first principles, returning water to the environment? There is an opportunity to return water the environment through infrastructure, rather than the blunt instrument of buybacks, which have enormous social and economic impacts on our communities. Will we become the forgotten Australians? If you don't live in a capital city, you are forgotten by this government. It all comes down to ideology, not practical reality and common sense.</para>
<para>The Nationals and the Liberals have understood that change needed to happen. We backed ourselves and worked in a bipartisan way. I pay homage to the member for Watson who, when I was water minister, worked in a collaborative way to achieve commonsense solutions. We achieved so much in the legislation that we put through to make sure that we didn't have to go down this path of buybacks. He understood the impacts buybacks would have. This government has changed its stripes. It's lost its principles and its values of standing up for every Australian, no matter where they live, no matter their postcode. It's not the Australian way. Every Australian will pay the bill for this. If you take away the tools the farmers need to produce your food and fibre, you will pay more. This will land squarely at the feet of this government whose ideology is destroying regional and rural Australia.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll take the opportunity to clarify, for the Leader of the Nationals, that the specific amendment that he is referring to is to provide additional clarification on who has the evidential burden by inserting notes at the end of application provisions for trusts, partnerships and unincorporated associations in the bill. The Water Act already has this provision which reverses the evidential burden for persons seeking to rely on an excuse, exemption or justification in proceedings for a pecuniary penalty order. That's already there.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's the legislation that the Leader of the Nationals is boasting about supporting. This amendment is intended to provide clarity on the reversed evidential burden in certain application provisions in the bill, and it doesn't alter the operations of the relevant sections. The Leader of the Nationals is talking about progress. Just 16 per cent of water that has been recovered towards the plan has been done in the last decade, when you had the opportunity to recover it. If you thought you had a better way of doing it, you should have used the last decade to do it, but just 16 per cent of the total was recovered.</para>
<para>Opposition members interjecting—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, when? On the current projections on the 450, we would have got there in the year 4000.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">An opposition member interjecting—</inline></para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm not sure whether you think achieving an objective in the year 4000 is delivering for communities.</para>
<para>Finally, I have to clarify that the reason we're extending the delivery time for infrastructure projects is so that we can complete more of them. If more of them come forward, we're happy to look at them. We're happy to look at on-farm efficiencies. We're happy to look at off-farm efficiencies. We are very happy to look at the broad range of mechanisms for delivering the plan. What we're not prepared to do is not deliver, which is what's been happening for the last decade.</para>
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<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the amendments moved by the government be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
</interjection>
</speech>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [12:09] <br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
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              <ayes>
                <num.votes>80</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Albanese, A. N.</name>
                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Bowen, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burney, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Chalmers, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Clare, J. D.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Coker, E. A.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J. M.</name>
                  <name>Conroy, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Daniel, Z.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Fernando, C.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M.</name>
                  <name>Hill, J. C.</name>
                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jones, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Kearney, G. M.</name>
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                  <name>King, C. F.</name>
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                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
                  <name>Leigh, A. K.</name>
                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
                  <name>McBain, K. L.</name>
                  <name>McBride, E. M.</name>
                  <name>Miller-Frost, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Mitchell, B. K.</name>
                  <name>Mulino, D.</name>
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                  <name>Neumann, S. K.</name>
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                  <name>Scrymgour, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Sharkie, R. C. C.</name>
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                  <name>Sitou, S.</name>
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                  <name>Steggall, Z.</name>
                  <name>Swanson, M. J.</name>
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                  <name>Vamvakinou, M.</name>
                  <name>Watts, T. G.</name>
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                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
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              <noes>
                <num.votes>49</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
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                  <name>Andrews, K. L.</name>
                  <name>Archer, B. K.</name>
                  <name>Birrell, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Broadbent, R. E.</name>
                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
                  <name>Caldwell, C. M.</name>
                  <name>Chester, D. J.</name>
                  <name>Coleman, D. B.</name>
                  <name>Coulton, M. M. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Entsch, W. G.</name>
                  <name>Fletcher, P. W.</name>
                  <name>Gillespie, D. A.</name>
                  <name>Goodenough, I. R. </name>
                  <name>Hastie, A. W.</name>
                  <name>Hawke, A. G.</name>
                  <name>Hogan, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Howarth, L. R.</name>
                  <name>Joyce, B. T. G.</name>
                  <name>Landry, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Le, D.</name>
                  <name>Leeser, J.</name>
                  <name>Ley, S. P.</name>
                  <name>Littleproud, D.</name>
                  <name>Marino, N. B.</name>
                  <name>McCormack, M. F.</name>
                  <name>McIntosh, M. I.</name>
                  <name>McKenzie, Z. A.</name>
                  <name>O'Brien, L. S.</name>
                  <name>Pasin, A.</name>
                  <name>Pearce, G. B.</name>
                  <name>Pike, H. J.</name>
                  <name>Pitt, K. J.</name>
                  <name>Price, M. L.</name>
                  <name>Ramsey, R. E. (Teller)</name>
                  <name>Stevens, J.</name>
                  <name>Sukkar, M. S.</name>
                  <name>Taylor, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Thompson, P.</name>
                  <name>van Manen, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Vasta, R. X.</name>
                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
                  <name>Ware, J. L.</name>
                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, R. J.</name>
                  <name>Wolahan, K.</name>
                  <name>Wood, J. P.</name>
                  <name>Young, T. J.</name>
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                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
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              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.</p>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is the bill, as amended, be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
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<division>
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              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [12:18] <br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
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                  <name>Aly, A.</name>
                  <name>Ananda-Rajah, M.</name>
                  <name>Bandt, A. P.</name>
                  <name>Bates, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Bowen, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Burnell, M. P.</name>
                  <name>Burney, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Burns, J.</name>
                  <name>Butler, M. C.</name>
                  <name>Byrnes, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Chalmers, J. E.</name>
                  <name>Chandler-Mather, M.</name>
                  <name>Chaney, K. E.</name>
                  <name>Charlton, A. H. G.</name>
                  <name>Chesters, L. M.</name>
                  <name>Clare, J. D.</name>
                  <name>Claydon, S. C.</name>
                  <name>Coker, E. A.</name>
                  <name>Collins, J. M.</name>
                  <name>Conroy, P. M.</name>
                  <name>Daniel, Z.</name>
                  <name>Doyle, M. J. J.</name>
                  <name>Elliot, M. J.</name>
                  <name>Fernando, C.</name>
                  <name>Freelander, M. R.</name>
                  <name>Garland, C. M. L.</name>
                  <name>Georganas, S.</name>
                  <name>Giles, A. J.</name>
                  <name>Gorman, P.</name>
                  <name>Gosling, L. J.</name>
                  <name>Haines, H. M.</name>
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                  <name>Husic, E. N.</name>
                  <name>Jones, S. P.</name>
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                  <name>Keogh, M. J.</name>
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                  <name>Laxale, J. A. A.</name>
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                  <name>Mascarenhas, Z. F. A.</name>
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                  <name>Sharkie, R. C. C.</name>
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                  <name>Wells, A. S.</name>
                  <name>Wilkie, A. D.</name>
                  <name>Wilson, J. H.</name>
                  <name>Zappia, A.</name>
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                  <name>Birrell, S. J.</name>
                  <name>Boyce, C. E.</name>
                  <name>Broadbent, R. E.</name>
                  <name>Buchholz, S.</name>
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                  <name>Ley, S. P.</name>
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                  <name>Webster, A. E.</name>
                  <name>Willcox, A. J.</name>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to. </p>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>43</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Fair Work Legislation Amendment (Closing Loopholes) Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>43</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Fair Work Legislation Amendment (Closing Loopholes) Bill 2023</span>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>43</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms DOYLE</name>
    <name.id>299962</name.id>
    <electorate>Aston</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I was saying last night, these workers deserve minimum standards. That is the role of this parliament and what this bill does. It's modernising our laws to reflect the changing nature of work and saying to a predominantly migrant workforce or a group of workers who might be here studying or on another visa arrangement, 'You, too, are workers, and you have minimum rights.' In my part of the world, a lot of these workers can be parents that are picking up extra money to help pay the bills. They are not the demographic that you sometimes assume when it comes to your Uber Eats delivery driver and so on. But there is quite often a very quick turnover in these roles because they realise how exploitative they are. This bill says that those workers deserve a minimum standard; they deserve a minimum rate.</para>
<para>If those opposite want to come in here and defend loopholes, defend undercutting workers, defend criminal responsibility and oppose increases in the minimum wage, then let them. However, the hardworking people who have made our country everything it is know that we on this side of the House proudly stand by our record on industrial relations reform. If those opposite want to sit there and push back ideas that help protect workers—real, hardworking Australians—instead of doing something for them—maybe even actively contributing to the ideas we put forward at the last election—then they will enjoy being consigned to history as a footnote, because that is where we shall find them.</para>
<para>We proudly stand by the fact that every hard-fought-for gain in workplaces for the pay and conditions of Australian workers was led by the trade union movement in partnership with the Australian Labor Party. This legislation underpins the Albanese Labor government's commitment to continuing our mission to enshrine in industrial relations policy safe and fair working conditions and practices. This bill puts flexibility, security and fairness at the centre of industrial relations policy. It closes loopholes that exploit workers, and it recognises and supports the vast number of businesses that are doing the right thing and valuing their workers.</para>
<para>I commend this bill to the House, and I urge all in this parliament to support it because this bill supports all working Australians and they deserve to be looked after.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr WOLAHAN</name>
    <name.id>235654</name.id>
    <electorate>Menzies</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—What we've seen throughout this parliament have been things that have well-intentioned purposes but have significant unintended consequences. A common factor in all of those is a lack of consultation. There can be no better example of poor consultation than in this process here. We've got this omnibus Fair Work Legislation Amendment (Closing the Loopholes) Bill 2023, which has lots of talking points that are designed to look well on social media tiles and to look well in speeches here that are then broadcast out. But it has serious consequences for people who are doing it tough, particularly small and medium businesses.</para>
<para>We have already seen reports today that the Reserve Bank is hinting that interest rates may have to rise even further on account of the horrible conflicts that we're seeing around the world. We are seeing families and small businesses being pushed to the edge, where they are asking this place for relief so that they can stay afloat. When it comes to the area of small business and productivity, the relationship that those who are taking risks have with their workers is a very important one. It's one that already has enormous complexity.</para>
<para>If we look to the Fair Work Act, it's already at over 1,000 pages. This omnibus bill seeks to add hundreds more to that sort of complexity. When we look small and medium business owners in the eye and say, 'We are helping you in this tough time,' this is isn't the way that that should be done. There are some legitimate things that are being closed in this omnibus bill, and they have our support. But they should have been carved out; they shouldn't have been lumped together in what we have here. There are many other businesses that are on the edge. They need our support so that they can stay afloat and continue to employ Australians. Thank you.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SITOU</name>
    <name.id>298121</name.id>
    <electorate>Reid</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>To me, this Fair Work Legislation Amendment (Closing the Loopholes) Bill 2023 is deeply personal. It will change lives. It's a big deal for employees, employers and for broader society.</para>
<para>When my parents came to this country more than four decades ago they had little formal education and spoke very little English, but they were able to find manufacturing jobs with good conditions. The success of our family was possible because of those jobs. They gave our family financial security and the foundations from which my brother and I have been able to thrive. Having a good job with good conditions and decent pay goes to the very heart of our egalitarian society—the idea that if you work hard you can get ahead in this country. But under those opposite the ideal was getting harder and harder for so many families. If I think about what jobs my parents would get if they arrived in Australia today, they most likely would not have been able to find secure work with good conditions.</para>
<para>In many respects, Australia has a pretty effective industrial relations system. It is what has set our country up for success. In 2007 we resoundingly rejected the Howard government's attempt to deregulate our system by removing collective bargaining. We saw it as being unfair and a step too far. Instead, the country chose a Rudd Labor government, and employees and employers across this country benefited from the Fair Work Act. These changes were fundamental in enshrining key workplace rights, including minimum entitlements, flexible working arrangements and the principles of antidiscrimination.</para>
<para>Throughout Australia's workplace relations history, there has always been a battle between the needs of businesses and the needs of workers. We have an industrial relations system that seeks to strike a balance between the two. It's something that we should be incredibly proud of and which is a major source of strength. There aren't that many countries around the world which have the word 'fair' in the title of their primary piece of employment and industrial relations legislation, and that's not a mistake. The concept of 'fair' goes to the very heart of what Australia is about—the fair go, fair dinkum, a fair day's work for a fair day's pay. We can add to that the Fair Work Act.</para>
<para>It's not perfect but it's a system that allows dynamism and innovation to flourish in businesses. It also gives employees a sense of financial security as they go about their work and life. But like any piece of legislation, it requires updating so that it more accurately reflects the circumstances of the time. When the Fair Work Act came into existence, Uber and Deliveroo didn't exist and Mable was a cute name for a baby girl, so we have to update and modernise our employment and industrial relations system to hold on to that precious concept of fairness. As with all great pieces of nation-building architecture, it's left to the Australian Labor Party to do it, and that's what this bill does.</para>
<para>It's aptly named the Fair Work Legislation Amendment (Closing Loopholes) Bill. One of the principle loopholes this bill seeks to close is the labour hire loophole, and there's a simple way of describing what it does: same job, same pay. This bill says that, if you are a business that has an enterprise agreement with your employees, you can't bring in a whole, different workforce through a separate labour hire agreement to undercut wages and conditions. It's not about banning surge workforces or banning specialist workers. Employees will still be paid more if they have expertise and skills to offer. What this bill is about is making sure that people on the same site doing the same job at the same level receive the same pay. It's a simple concept. It's a proposition that even my seven-year-old would understand, and it is what is fair. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single person in this country who would disagree with this concept, except for those opposite, because they just don't get it.</para>
<para>We are closing the casual loophole exploited by so many companies. There are some workers doing the same hours on an ongoing basis, sometimes working the same roster for years and years and years. It's an employment arrangement that looks like a permanent role, yet they are hired as casuals, and continue to be hired as casuals year after year. Those casual workers will have the opportunity to ask their employers to convert to permanent roles and gain job security. They will finally be able to get job security. Casuals who are eligible may not want to convert, because they want the flexibility and the loading that comes with being a casual, but for those who do, like Ashley, whom I met while doorknocking in Lidcombe, this will make a huge to their lives. Ashley's partner has been working at the same company for 27 years as a casual and has never been offered a permanent role. While her partner's employment was casual, the bills and expenses for Ashley and her family were not. The job insecurity meant that they were not able to plan for the future. They were working hard but unable to get ahead, because everything was stacked against them. It's right that families like Ashley's are given the opportunity to gain financial security and job security.</para>
<para>There's a group of workers who are in the most precarious form of employment: gig workers. Many people think that gig workers—Deliveroo riders, Uber drivers, those who work for Hungry Panda—do it for a bit of extra cash on the side. But that's not the case for most.</para>
<para>Analysis by the McKell Institute and the Transport Workers Union found that 81 per cent of respondents depend on the money they earn from ride share, food delivery or parcel delivery to pay bills and survive and that their biggest concern is low pay. Of those drivers working more than 40 hours a week, 66 per cent earn less than the minimum wage. And that is not to mention the constant threat of 'deactivation', which, for those not well versed in Silicon Valley doublespeak, means 'sacking'. When you combine those three factors—being a gig worker as a primary source of income, being paid less than the minimum wage, and being at constant risk of income being terminated—it creates an underclass of workers because of a loophole that the large tech companies have exploited. They engage gig workers as 'independent contractors', rather than 'employees', which means they are denied basic protections at work. I hope we can all agree that, in Australia, we don't ever want to create an underclass of workers because that tears at the very fabric of the fair go in this country.</para>
<para>There's a very human story to all of this as well. Ching Hang Yong and Zhouying Wang are both gig workers from Burwood in my electorate of Reid. They've both been working as delivery drivers in the gig economy. Both reported low pay. Ching Hang Yong says he often doesn't make any money after all his expenses for the day are taken out. Both have suffered significant accidents at work. Zhouying Wang was knocked off her bike by a car while out on a delivery. She was left with chronic pain in her legs, with no sick pay and no workers compensation—just the offer of free food through the food delivery app as compensation. It's an absolute disgrace. Yet they work with these delivery companies full time, with the threat of deactivation constantly hovering over their heads.</para>
<para>When this bill passes, it will give gig workers basic minimum standards. Both Ching Hang Yong and Zhouying Wang hope that the increased financial security will allow them to break the cycle of living pay cheque to pay cheque. That's why this bill is so important to me. When I think about the jobs my mum and dad would likely have taken up if they had arrived in Australia today, they may have been stuck in casual employment arrangements for years and years, like Ashley's partner, or they may have had precarious work in the gig economy, like Ching Hang Yong and Zhouying Wang. When I was a teenager, my dad was badly injured at work. It was through the support of his union that he was able to be guided through the workers compensation process, and his union worked with management to find a role that would accommodate his injury. That's the way it should be. If you are injured at work, you should get help, but, sadly, Zhouying Wang was left on her own. That's not right; it's un-Australian.</para>
<para>I say to those opposite: you should think about your position on this bill. You're voting against basic financial security for some of our lowest-paid workers. You're against people who do the same job at the same level of experience being paid the same. You're against fair competition between businesses who negotiate enterprise agreements and stick to them. You're against ensuring that deliberate wage theft is a crime. For nine years those opposite were happy to let an underclass of low-paid gig workers flourish for the benefit of a few very large tech companies.</para>
<para>Ingrained in this country's DNA are some basic standards of fairness, including the idea that, if you work hard in this country, you'll get ahead. That's what this bill is about. I'm proud that this government recognises the importance of working collaboratively with the employer to get good outcomes across all workplaces in Australia, and I'm proud of the trade union movement, particularly the mighty Transport Workers Union. You have always been on the side of workers. Thank you for standing up for all working people who want a better life.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr HAMILTON</name>
    <name.id>291387</name.id>
    <electorate>Groom</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What a pleasure it is to follow the previous contribution. I'm going to pick up on one small ribbon that was left glowing in that speech: that a seven-year-old child could see how obvious this was. I remember Rove McManus rather unsuccessfully deploying a similar argument on another topic quite recently. It was that little thing called the Voice. When we're told that something is so simple a child could understand it, that only dunderheads or dinosaurs—I won't say the other word that starts with a 'D'. You'd have to be in that class of people to stand against something so wonderful and magnificent. It does raise a flag for me. I think it should raise a flag for everyone when that sort of argument is put in place. I appreciate that complexity is very difficult in an eight-second grab, but here on the floor of parliament we shouldn't be afraid of it.</para>
<para>There's another point that I think is worth challenging in the context of this piece of legislation: who is to gain from this? My background is running mine sites around Australia. I've worked hand in hand with unions through many difficult challenges. If you're genuinely there to protect vulnerable workers, that's God's work, and I am proud to have stood beside people who have done that under the union banner. So I don't accept that this is unions versus business. I think this is big business versus small business. I'll come to that as we go along. I'm very proud that the Leader of the Opposition made that point very clear in setting out on our agenda for this term.</para>
<para>We are not the party of big business. We're the party of small business. We're not here to seek to support those who seek or have one monopoly. We are there for those who are in pursuit of happiness, who are trying to build something of themselves. In this bill, if you look and see who is supportive of it, you will see this bill does not harm big business. The complexity increased by this is only marginal for a big business. It already deploys significant funds towards its legal teams. It already has significant influence in the IR space. This hurts small businesses. I'll come to one of those shortly.</para>
<para>The third point I open with is that this bill must be considered within the context of its time. These last 12 months, we have seen the most extraordinary drop in productivity since we began measuring productivity: a six per cent drop. This is probably one of the most difficult things for us to overcome because productivity, as many journalists will tell you, is rarely a sexy thing until it starts hurting you and the clear link between productivity and real wages can't be missed. When you harm productivity, you harm real wages, and we are seeing that today. We have wage of 3.6 per cent and cost of living at 9.6 per cent. Real wages are going backwards by six per cent—surprisingly, the same as the drop in productivity. The link has been there for years. It's quite obvious. When you harm productivity and make it more difficult for business to do more with less, you are harming workers. You are making real wages go backwards. That is indeed one of the criticisms that has stood the test for this particular piece of legislation. This does not do anything to increase productivity at a time when nothing could be more important for a government to be focusing on in the context of looking after workers.</para>
<para>If you want to look after workers, there are two things you do. For one, you raise real wages. The other is to lower tax to ensure they keep more of what they earn. Neither of those things is being done by this government. It's completely contrary to the promises that they made to the Australian people going into the last election. This piece of legislation, coupled with other efforts of this government, will make things worse. They are making things worse.</para>
<para>I had a meeting recently with a small business that has been terribly concerned about the impact of this legislation on it. It's an electrical company. I'm a humble mining engineer. I like digging holes and blowing things up. Electrical engineering is a whole different thing. These are some of our best and brightest. Michael Reiken from Excel Power—they work in new energy battery solutions for both homes and small businesses. Why are they important? I'm not just talking up electrical engineers for no purpose. These are bright people. These are smart people in a complex field. These are people who take in incredible amounts of information and provide complex solutions to them. They're specialists in their field and they're specialists in a field that is growing. What they are not are specialists in IR law. Their concern—particularly as the type of work they do will often see them on a site for more than six months—is that they'll be caught up under this legislation, that they'll go from being labour hire people providing a service or people coming in and providing a service under a contract to being caught up in this.</para>
<para>They've never had to deal with this before. This has never been an issue for them. They've just been merrily going around, growing their business, doing the work of pumping taxes into our economy to keep us a successful and buoyant nation. Now they have two paths: either they have to become experts in IR law—and this is not an easy thing. There are 1,200-odd pages in the Fair Work Act. This is another 200 pages on top of that. This is not a small change. This is not a modest change, to once again echo back to a recent conversation we've had with the Australian people. This is not a modest change. This is a significant change, particularly if you are on the fringe of this legislation. If you are one of these businesses that are now going to be caught up in it, you will go from not having to worry about this to being very concerned about it. Even someone like Michael, someone capable of making these steps, will be challenged.</para>
<para>If you play that out across any of these businesses, it's quite easy to see this when you understand small business. They don't start by setting up a HR department. They don't start by setting up a legal department. They start by knowing what they do, by being experts at what they do. They build a team and they learn how to manage a team. At some point, as you move from a small to a medium business, you have to take those steps and you have to grow. But for those businesses that are on that fringe, that are on that verge, this will be forcing that change for them before time. This is completely changing the playing field. Again, this raises the spectre of fairness. This was raised by the previous speaker. I don't want to pick too much on the speech, but when they're just going over talking points sometimes it is fun to engage with them. In the concept of fairness, this isn't fair for those businesses who will be captured in something that in no way reflects the risk they present to the workforce or their employees.</para>
<para>I want to turn to the other concern I have around this. I want to speak about labour hire. Again, having come from the mining industry, I'm not going to pretend that some of the instances we've seen—and I'm speaking particularly about the Bowen Basin about two decades ago, where we saw companies employing 40, 50, 60 per cent of their workforce under labour hire. These are things that should not have been, were wrong and were rightly called out and stopped. But there is within this legislation and the conversation that the government is having around it a demonisation of labour hire as an option and, quite frankly, the seeking of its end. I want to speak about the relevance of it and how important it is that we maintain a suite of different employment options in the workforce. This again speaks to productivity, to competition and to economic dynamism—the ability for workforces to come in, perform their work, and leave. One of the most important things that labour hire does, particularly on mine sites, particularly on mineral processing plants, when you're looking at operations like mill relining—again, in my own patch, I have a company, RME, that does exactly that—you have people who come in on sites for sometimes more than six months. They're there to do a very specialised job that no-one else does. They move from mine site to mine site, taking their expertise around the country in a manner that ensures, and has ensured, that Australia is able to be a world leader in the mining industry. This has been a crucial aspect of it. The job experience they have is of very concentrated times of work and periods away from work. That is entirely their choice. I have already pointed out where it is wrong, but where it is deployed, the vast majority are people who are paid far more than the average worker. That takes into account the nature of their employment.</para>
<para>I can speak about the mining industry because I employed these people and brought them in, like many other mining engineers around Australia. We would see them come in for a range of things. I know that this happens in energy production, on feedlots and in the construction industry. People with specialist skills come in to do very, very specialised jobs and they're now being caught up in this. The government's push to end this is so shortsighted and not in our interests, particularly at a time—which I go back to—where we have failing productivity.</para>
<para>These people come in and, very clearly, their job is to increase the productivity of that workplace. They come in and repair a mine or they will come in and reline a mill. They come in to do a specialist job that's required to be done on a regular basis and, if they don't do it, productivity sags—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mrs</name>
    <name.id>HWP</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>There'll be a breakdown.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr HAMILTON</name>
    <name.id>291387</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Or we have a breakdown—absolutely! To point out how important it is to keep this stream of employment alive: in the mining industry, mining plant and processing plant are run at somewhere around 110 per cent of their design capacity. Every second that you lose is a cost. It's a cost to the mine, it's a cost to workers who are incentivised on production and it's a cost to the Australian economy in lost tax dollars and revenue—let alone the cost to the customer and all the downside of that as well. And what is often forgotten is the supply side: the local small businesses who provide this work. These are direct costs. When we take away the ability for this, which is what this legislation will do—and this is why I have been so focused on this—it will force companies to hold on to these workers. If they want them, they're going to have to employ them on a full-time basis at a lower rate of pay than they've been experiencing. It will stop them from taking their expertise from mine site to mine site and stop the Australian mining industry from getting ahead.</para>
<para>I know I'm speaking at depth on the mining industry, and I know that's a challenge not everyone can rise to. I'm not being boastful; I'm simply pointing out that this is important to us. It's not something that we've been shortsighted about on this side of the House. We don't claim the winnings and then turn our back on them. This is why we're good at mining—because we've acknowledged this for a long period of time. This is why we're good at it, because we acknowledge that these different types of employment options are required for us to get ahead and that they have been significant contributors to the great Australian mining industry, which we all benefit from. As I like to do when I talk about the industry, I challenge anyone to look around the room they're in and point to anything that hasn't either come out of a mine or been touched by the product of a mine. It's a fun thing, but I'm yet to find someone challenge me on it.</para>
<para>I'll go back to the legislation again. Take the context of its time: we have productivity at an all-time low, with a six per cent drop in 12 months. This is something that we've not seen before. Every step that this government must take should be towards increasing productivity. Every piece of legislation put forward by this government should aim to increase productivity. If it doesn't do so, then it is failing the Australian people. A continued lack of focus on productivity will result in a continued reduction in real wages. That connection is long established; it will continue until kingdom come and I think that is the worst thing that can be said about a piece of legislation—that it will actually hurt workers.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
</continue>
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          <title>Identity Verification Services Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>48</page.no>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Identity Verification Services Bill 2023</span>
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            <title>Report from Federation Chamber</title>
            <page.no>48</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The question before the House is that the amendment moved by the honourable member for Griffith be agreed to.</para>
<para> </para>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [13:00] <br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
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                  <name>Violi, A. A.</name>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived. </p>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the bill be now read a second time.</para>
<para> </para>
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                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The House divided. [13:10] <br />(The Speaker—Hon. Milton Dick) </p>
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              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to. <br />Bill read a second time. </p>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>50</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms KEARNEY</name>
    <name.id>LTU</name.id>
    <electorate>Cooper</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
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</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Identity Verification Services (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>51</page.no>
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            <title>Report from Federation Chamber</title>
            <page.no>51</page.no>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>51</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms KEARNEY</name>
    <name.id>LTU</name.id>
    <electorate>Cooper</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
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          <title>Fair Work Legislation Amendment (Closing Loopholes) Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>51</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>51</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms McBRIDE</name>
    <name.id>248353</name.id>
    <electorate>Dobell</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Albanese government was elected on the promise to get wages moving. To do that we need to close the loopholes that are undermining wages and conditions for many Australians. That's what this reform is about—delivering on that promise for Australians. We've undertaken extensive consultation on the precise design of these measures, including with business groups, and what is clear is that we've struck the right balance. There are no radical changes. All we are doing is making the current law work effectively. These laws will strengthen the current workplace relations framework and provide certainty, fairness and a level playing field for both businesses and workers.</para>
<para>I would like to focus on three of the important components of these reforms: changes to casual employment, changes to the gig economy and changes to supporting first responders who sustain PTSD in the workplace.</para>
<para>What we are doing here, when it comes to casual employment, is what Labor governments always do: standing up for workers. We are closing the loophole that leaves people stuck classified as casuals when they actually work permanent, regular, ongoing hours, because we know that often casual employees work like permanent employees but many do not get any of the benefits of job security. This legislation creates a fair, objective definition to determine when an employee can be classified as 'casual'. We expect that it will help more than 850,000 casual workers who have regular work arrangements.</para>
<para>Workers are calling for more certainty and more job security. That's because the costs of living aren't casual. Your bills come in every week, month or quarter. Employees should not be stuck as casuals when they're working just like permanent employees but don't receive the benefits of job security or leave entitlements. This proposal will strengthen the pathway to permanent work for people who want it while also making sure that any worker who chooses to remain a casual will have the option to do so.</para>
<para>Workers who wish to become permanent will have two pathways to do so: one via the definition based employee choice pathway and a second through the existing casual conversion mechanism. The first pathway recognises the objective status of the employee and applies where their working arrangements changed so they no longer meet the definition. The employee choice pathway is entirely employee driven, and employer obligations to respond only arise if the employee notifies that they believe that their status has changed. How this works is that employees in medium and large businesses will be able to access the employee choice pathway after six months of service and employees of small businesses after 12 months of service. That strikes the right balance and I know will be welcomed in my community on the Central Coast of New South Wales.</para>
<para>The new framework is clear that status only changes from casual to permanent through conscious action and agreement by the employee. If an employee does not want to change, they remain casual and keep their casual loading. While we build a pathway to permanency for casual workers, we also need to make sure that those who are working in non-traditional structures in the new gig economy are protected at work and protected from exploitation.</para>
<para>Our government will extend the powers of the Fair Work Commission to include employee-like forms of work, allowing it to better protect people in new forms of work from exploitation and dangerous working conditions. This change will allow the Fair Work Commission to make orders for minimum standards for new forms of work such as gig work. We're not trying to turn people into employees when they don't want to be employees. A whole lot of gig workers like the flexibility of this technology, and that won't change under these laws, but we do need to make sure that we are giving everyone a fair go. We can't continue to have a situation where the 21st-century technology of the gig platforms comes with 19th-century conditions for workers. The world has changed, Australia has changed. Our workplaces changed. It's about time that our policies and laws are changed to reflect that progress. Just because someone is working in the gig economy, it shouldn't mean they end up being paid less than they would if they had been an employee. We are not a country that has ever relied on tips to pay the bills, and we should never become one. It's that simple.</para>
<para>This proposal implements an election commitment to allow the Fair Work Commission to set minimum standards for employee-like workers, including in the gig economy. This reform has not come out of thin air. It is the result of a public discussion paper and over 100 meetings with employer groups, digital labour platforms and unions as well as consultation with state and territory government officials. This is a step in the right direction to bring employment laws to better reflect the working environments of today and, importantly, of tomorrow.</para>
<para>In my role as Assistant Minister for Mental Health and Suicide Prevention, I know our government and the parliament have significant challenges ahead of us when it comes to supporting Australians in their workplaces. Our system is not working well enough for enough Australians. Not enough people can get the support that they need and, when they do, it can often be patchy and inconsistent and leave much to be desired. But our reform to mental health support is not just about improving the provisions of mental health services and care. There are many levers that we can pull that sit outside of the health portfolio.</para>
<para>That is why I am so pleased to see that, in this proposal, first responders will have better support for mental ill health that has arisen due to their work. This proposal is to implement a presumption that if a first responder covered by the Safety Rehabilitation Compensation Act 1988 sustains post-traumatic stress disorder, PTSD, they will not be required to prove that their employment significantly contributed to their PTSD for the purpose of the workers compensation claim. That's important—it's an important change. People who go through traumatic events have it tough enough. They should not be put through experiences that could contribute to furthering their distress. By putting the onus on workers, the process, as it currently sits, can, and often does, do that.</para>
<para>Eligible workers, including firefighters, the Federal Police, ambulance officers, paramedics and emergency services communication operators are covered by this change. I think it's important to note—and I know that this is something that everybody in this House is concerned about—that 39 per cent of emergency responders are diagnosed with a mental health condition at some point in their lives. That's 39 per cent of emergency responders: paramedics, firefighters and police. These are the people who come to our support in the most difficult and trying times. They are diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder at a rate that is twice as high as that of the general population. It just makes sense that we care for those who protect us.</para>
<para>Psychological injuries affect first responders disproportionately, as I have said, compared with other professions due to the frequent exposure to traumatic incidents and situations required in performing the ordinary duties which they do from day to day and week in, week out. However, first responders diagnosed with PTSD can find the workers compensation claims process challenging and, at times, stressful, and these can contribute further to their distress. The presumptive provisions are intended to provide a faster and streamlined claims process, which may reduce stress and trauma for first responders when submitting workers compensation claims. I think this is particularly important as we head into the bushfire season in Australia. I know this is a strong focus of Minister Murray Watt, our emergency services minister—to make sure that our first responders are safe. Given what they face in their day-to-day work, I think it's particularly important that this provision is introduced to make sure that there isn't further duress or stress during that claims process.</para>
<para>These are just three of the changes that this legislation will accomplish. This is an important piece of legislation and it's part of our broader reform agenda. It delivers on an election commitment to the Australian people. I believe, as I said earlier, and as others on this side of the House have said, that we have found the right balance to make sure that employees, including in the gig economy, are given the right support—that they aren't working on a 21st-century platform with 19th-century provisions. It's so all workers are protected and everybody is safe, including from psychological distress in their work.</para>
<para>As I said, these are just three of the main components of this legislation, but what it will do is so much more in protecting the rights of workers. I want to thank the minister for his work. He has engaged deeply with the business community and the unions, and broadly with the sector and the states and territories, to bring this legislation to the House. Like others on this side, I look forward to seeing it implemented across Australia—including in my community on the Central Coast of New South Wales. This is what the Albanese Labor government will do, and what we will always do on this side of the House: make sure that workers rights are protected and that they have the right supports and the right scaffolding around them to make sure they can do their jobs effectively—to do the work that they're employed to do and to do it in a safe way. This legislation will close those loopholes which are, at the moment, undermining the wages and conditions of too many Australians.</para>
<para>We are delivering on that promise on this reform—the election commitment we made to the Australian people. We are delivering on that promise for all Australians, and I'm very pleased to support this legislation. As I said, these are not radical changes. All we are doing is making the current laws work effectively for all Australians. These laws will strengthen the current workplace relations framework and provide certainty, fairness and, importantly, a level playing field for both businesses and workers.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>248181</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The debate is interrupted in accordance with standing order 43. The debate may be resumed at a later hour.</para>
</interjection>
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        <title>STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS</title>
        <page.no>54</page.no>
        <type>STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS</type>
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          <title>Pacific Australia Labour Mobility Scheme</title>
          <page.no>54</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BOYCE</name>
    <name.id>299498</name.id>
    <electorate>Flynn</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Last week, I hosted Leader of the Nationals, David Littleproud, in my electorate of Flynn. We met with local growers in the North Burnett region who are concerned about the Labor government's Pacific Australia Labour Mobility Scheme, the PALM Scheme. David and I heard loud and clear that Labor's changes to the PALM Scheme are making it more difficult and costly for farmers to get their product from paddock to plate. The changes will require farmers to offer a minimum of 30 hours per week, even though agricultural work is seasonal and weather-dependent. It is widely believed in the industry that these pay rate changes will reduce productivity and give no incentive to work.</para>
<para>Harvest time is dependent on the weather. If you apply a minimum pay rate for a wet week, people will be paid to do nothing, adding further costs to the producer. If minimum pay rates are applied over workers' length of contract, then they can make up the shortfall of pay on days when they are working at full production with overtime. The government has said that workers do not earn enough hours and that is why we must guarantee 30 hours a week. There is no data available to prove this claim. If there is, where is it? I've written to the Labor government asking for an explanation, and I'm still awaiting a reply. Labor simply does not understand how agriculture works.</para>
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          <title>Corangamite Electorate: Stronger Communities Program</title>
          <page.no>54</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms COKER</name>
    <name.id>263547</name.id>
    <electorate>Corangamite</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to recognise an amazing group of volunteers in my electorate of Corangamite in Victoria. Tucked behind the Drysdale Community Church, a dozen volunteers of all ages tend the Springdale Community Garden, which recently received a grant of $3,000 to install a new solar panel, rechargeable battery and raised garden beds. Funded through the Stronger Communities Program, the solar panel has been connected to a battery system, which is now recharging tools, lighting work sheds and linked to a water pump so that volunteers can water the garden at any time of day or night. I recently met with volunteers who told me they previously relied on a gravity tank to water the garden without the battery and were unable to water the garden unless the weather was perfect. These much needed upgrades will ensure the garden remains a safe, inclusive and sustainable place for people of all ages to enjoy the wonders of gardening. Just as importantly, the federal funding helps volunteers continue their amazing work, producing fresh and much needed produce for the nearby Drysdale Family Support Foodbank. The way these organisations work together is truly beautiful. In closing, I'd like to encourage newcomers to our region and those looking for a new hobby to head over to the garden and get involved.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Cost of Living</title>
          <page.no>54</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BROADBENT</name>
    <name.id>MT4</name.id>
    <electorate>Monash</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As the world erupts in death, despair and carnage, we still have regard for what is going on here in Australia. There are also people distressed here, not only about the world events. Forty-eight per cent of Australians are suffering mortgage stress. Sixty-one per cent of Australians are under rental stress. Immigration into this country, at the level we're having at the moment, is having an enormous effect on the availability of housing for those people. Remember: a third, a third, a third—a third of the people own a home; a third of the people are buying a home; and a third of the people are renting from those that can get a home. I'd say to you that, in these times, when people are using their disposable income to carry on at this time, that has to end. We, as a nation, have to have regard for those people that have gone off interest loans to variable loans—and they will go from two per cent to perhaps seven or eight per cent, which is an enormous drag on their funding, up to sometimes $1,500 a month and more for those who have borrowed more. We need to pay very careful attention to what is happening in our nation. We may have a per capita recession at the moment. Let's pray we don't go into a full blown recession.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Spence Electorate: Aged Care</title>
          <page.no>54</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BURNELL</name>
    <name.id>300129</name.id>
    <electorate>Spence</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In late September I was given the honour of representing the Minister for Aged Care at the official opening of Healthia residential aged-care homes, which is run by the ACH Group and located in Elizabeth South, in my electorate of Spence. Healthia has been a project several years in the making and incorporates a number of initiatives that are yet to be seen elsewhere in Australia. It is an aged-care facility with room for 96 residents across eight small-scale homes, and, far from being a conventional aged-care facility, it is more accurately described as an aged-care health and education hub.</para>
<para>At the formal opening of Healthia, we heard from Chris Picton, South Australia's Minister for Health and Wellbeing, and Professor Joanne Cys, who spoke of the unique partnerships that the Northern Adelaide Local Health Network and the University of South Australia have forged with ACH Group within this facility and across the hub respectively. I have to say that the partnership with the University of South Australia is a particularly exciting one. It's a partnership that will improve the quality of health services to residents and to the northern suburbs of Adelaide and improve the quality of an education many of the students from UniSA receive with their placement here in a number of diverse health and allied health fields. I'm glad that an industry that was in need of a game-changer has one in Healthia aged-care health and education hub, right in the middle of Spence.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Response</title>
          <page.no>55</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STEGGALL</name>
    <name.id>175696</name.id>
    <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The COVID-19 pandemic was the most disruptive event to Australia in modern times. Our response asked Australians to prioritise national health outcomes over individual rights. It saw the nation divided, with inconsistent approaches taken in each state. We know that some things were done well—others not so well. This must be fully interrogated so that necessary lessons can be learnt and planning put in place to ensure the best possible national preparation for future pandemics. Political convenience must never override the need for a full inquiry.</para>
<para>The proposed inquiry by the government will not wield the same power as a royal commission, which can more effectively compel evidence while ensuring that integrity is maintained with oversight by an independent judge. A royal commission will go some way to ventilating all the issues and ensuring full accountability of all levels of government. It can gain clarity on issues which have been inadequately investigated to date, like vaccine injuries, long COVID, mental health, domestic violence and many others. More than 22,000 Australians died from COVID-19, and many more lives were very badly affected. A royal commission is an absolute necessity to get the answers Australians are owed.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Wages</title>
          <page.no>55</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr GA</name>
    <name.id>295588</name.id>
    <electorate>Chisholm</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>RLAND () (): Today, dairy workers, including those who live in my electorate and work at Peters, in Mulgrave, are taking action for fair wages that enable them to keep up with the cost of living. United Workers Union members want secure jobs so that they can plan their lives for themselves and their families and contribute to the community in local organisations like parents groups and sporting clubs. Workers want fair wages so that they have more to spend in the local community, and we know that, particularly in regional areas, this really matters to keep businesses and the local economy afloat.</para>
<para>The multinational companies who own dairy companies in Australia have seen profits rise and prices for milk increase, but none of this has been passed on to hardworking people in communities around our country so they can stay on top of the cost of living. Our government has made tackling the cost of living a priority, and we have backed pay rises and secure work, through legislation in this place. I urge multinational companies operating in Australian communities to do the same. United Workers Union members deserve fair wages and secure jobs, and I commend them for standing up for their communities today.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Veterans</title>
          <page.no>55</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SHARKIE</name>
    <name.id>265980</name.id>
    <electorate>Mayo</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Australian War Memorial is a long way from my electorate of Mayo, but recently I met with Dr Robyn van Dyk, the head of research at the Australian War Memorial, here in the Speaker's courtyard. I cheekily asked her if she would come to Mayo and meet with my community, and she very generously said yes. So, on 1 September, at the Macclesfield RSL, we held a forum, and Dr van Dyk came and spoke at that forum. The passion with which she spoke about her work in preserving our war records and memorabilia was infectious and inspired many attendees to investigate the histories within their local communities.</para>
<para>This passion was equalled by the South Australian DVA Deputy Commissioner, Janice Silby, who spoke to the group about the challenges faced by veterans and their families and, importantly, the supports that are available. And, to round up the event, Dennis Oldenhove provided information to the community on the virtual war memorial, on how he has accessed so many grants for his Maccy RSL and on the projects that the Maccy RSL has been able to achieve. I'd like to thank the Macclesfield RSL, particularly Dennis, and the whole team for what was a fantastic event. I'd also like to thank all of the RSLs across Mayo who were able to come along and attend. It was a wonderful event for our whole community.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Lung Foundation Australia</title>
          <page.no>55</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr GEORGANAS</name>
    <name.id>DZY</name.id>
    <electorate>Adelaide</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This afternoon we will be welcoming patients from across Australia who are battling cancer and rare diseases at the Lung Foundation Australia event in Parliament House. Their resilience and determination are inspiring. One of those that couldn't make it here today is Lorraine Tyler. She is a fighter and one of my constituents. Lorraine couldn't make it here today due to her health. This government has a history of leading healthcare reforms, and we're doing it again. The Albanese government is conducting the first independent review of its kind in 30 years, the medicines access and health technology assessment review. This review is for cancer patients to have access to the right treatments at the right time, and we know how crucial this is.</para>
<para>I've assisted constituents, as many of us in this place have, in the fight to get access to lifesaving medications, but their battles have been ongoing and far more challenging. Globally, there are over 7,800 products in clinical development offering hope for better treatment. We stand on the brink of a new era in medicine, with potential for improved care across various conditions. To make this a reality, we need policy reforms for universal patient access. The HTA review aims to bring faster access to redefining the cost-effectiveness, but let's remember our responsibility to ensure better health care for all Australians like Lorraine Tyler and others that are here today. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Cardiac Challenge 2023</title>
          <page.no>56</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ENTSCH</name>
    <name.id>7K6</name.id>
    <electorate>Leichhardt</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Cardiac Challenge took place last month, on 16 September. It was a three-day bike ride from Cairns to Cooktown. It's a mission deeply rooted in personal and community stakes. For Jo Piggott this mission begun at a young age watching her mother battle rheumatic fever, undergo two open-heart surgeries and rely on a pacemaker. I'm elated to share with the House that Jo and her team, Your Tribe Australia, shattered their fundraising goal, raising an astonishing $17,032 and still counting. These funds will provide invaluable support for vital cardiac services in our community. It was a colossal effort by all, featuring 180 cyclists backed up with over 100 volunteers, which aptly shows what can be accomplished when a community unites for a shared cause.</para>
<para>If Jo's fundraising and biking escapades are not enough, Jo has recently been honoured by the Cairns Regional Council with the 2023 International Women's Day Woman of the Year Award. It is clear that her impact is not going unnoticed, so I extend my heartfelt congratulations to Jo Piggott and everyone involved in this initiative. We're going to be looking forward to supporting her team in next year's 2024 Cardiac Challenge.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Vietnamese Museum of Australia</title>
          <page.no>56</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr MULINO</name>
    <name.id>132880</name.id>
    <electorate>Fraser</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Congratulations to Tammy Nguyen, who was named Volunteer of the Year at the Victorian Museum and Galleries Awards for her tireless work on the Vietnamese Museum of Australia. When it is completed in 2025, to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the arrival of the first boats from Vietnam, it will be Australia's first museum to focus on the incredible journey of the entire community and their contribution to this nation since they arrived. The museum is particularly close to Tammy's heart. Tammy was a girl when her family fled Vietnam after the fall of Saigon. She was one of more than 1.4 million Vietnamese who took to the sea in overcrowded unseaworthy boats. Up to 600,000 people lost their lives undertaking this perilous journey. After spending time in Indonesia's Galang refugee camp, Tammy and her family were eventually resettled in Australia.</para>
<para>Between 1975 and 1995 Australia welcomed more than 110,000 Vietnamese refugees who all have stories to share about overcoming adversity, seizing opportunities and remaining resilient in the most challenging of times. Tammy hopes the museum becomes a place where people can come to reflect, remember and learn and to feel a sense of belonging. Above all, Tammy says that she hopes the museum will serve as a symbol of hope for anyone facing adversity. Congratulations to Tammy, to the of directors of the museum and to all the people who are working so hard to bring to life the Vietnamese Museum of Australia.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Fadden Electorate: Paradise Point Meals on Wheels</title>
          <page.no>56</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr CALDWELL</name>
    <name.id>306489</name.id>
    <electorate>Fadden</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Last week I had the pleasure of joining the Paradise Point and Districts Meals on Wheels Association for their annual general meeting. Over a sausage sizzle, I was able to chat with the volunteers who deliver approximately 44,000 meals each year to my local community. We had our annual photo under the iconic Meals on Wheels jacaranda in full bloom.</para>
<para>Paradise Point Meals on Wheels has nearly 40 volunteers, and I'm very proud of the service they provide to our community. During a cost-of-living crisis, they have kept prices low, so that clients can enjoy a hot meal, a sandwich, a snack and a soup for just $11, delivered to their door. In addition, they have provided a check-in service to monitor the health and wellbeing of those clients, as the volunteers attend. The social connection with the volunteers for many elderly residents is a critical part of this service.</para>
<para>I want to take this opportunity to acknowledge the amazing work of Pat King, who is stepping down from volunteering after serving the northern Gold Coast community for the past 30 years. In addition I would like to congratulate Paul Kennedy, who has taken on the role of vice-president, and acknowledge President Cheryl Rowbotham, Secretary Dianne Woodward, Treasurer Jim Hall and Administrator Mychelle Harrison. Thank you all for your service to our community, and I look forward to working with you for the year ahead.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Robertson Electorate: Pippi Point Dog Park</title>
          <page.no>56</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr REID</name>
    <name.id>300126</name.id>
    <electorate>Robertson</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The residents of Davistown and surrounds have come together and created a petition to save their beloved Pippi Point dog park from closure. Since the petition was created on change.org on 4 July, it has received 3,309 signatures to date—an impressive feat.</para>
<para>I would like to acknowledge the work of Johny Row and the Save Pippi Point team who are: Jenny McCulla, Rosalind Bonser, Trish Bourke, Rachel Robertson, Charmaine Bright, Brett Sims, Paula Baxter, Vibi Mitchell and Monique Roy. Thank you for your invaluable work for our community, about this dog park.</para>
<para>Through their petition, the team have enabled their community's voice to be heard. They also advised and assisted people to come forward and make a submission to council's Dogs in Open Space Action Plan consultation process.</para>
<para>The Save Pippi Point team also fundraised to commission an independent review, by an environmental consultant, of the environmental assessment that was used by council when developing this new strategy. I commend the Save Pippi Point campaign's advocacy on behalf of their community and I encourage, and I say it again, I encourage the Central Coast Council administration to work with the Davistown community to reach the best outcome for all.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Defence Personnel</title>
          <page.no>57</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr WOLAHAN</name>
    <name.id>235654</name.id>
    <electorate>Menzies</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I want to thank the Australian Defence Force Parliamentary Program officers and senior NCOs, who help to put on so many programs for many in this building.</para>
<para>I do have a background in defence, but that doesn't mean I know everything about defence. I, along with the member for Page, the member for Casey and Senator Brockman, was involved in the electronic warfare and cyberwarfare program. I highly recommend it. We got to visit RAAF <inline font-style="italic">Edinburgh</inline>, in the member for Spence's electorate.</para>
<para>We've heard a lot about the Constitution this week. In section 51, the defence power includes only 'the naval and military defence' of the nation. It doesn't mention the air force. It wasn't a domain we thought we would fight in. There are now five domains that we fight in: land, sea, air—and two more—space and cyber. Australia now has a space command and a cybercommand. When you think about all the things that float, fly or drive, they're all really floating, driving or flying computers, so to have some of the best and brightest people in our uniform—and some of them in civilian organisations—acting to keep those safe and one step ahead of our adversaries is something we're all grateful for. We thank them for their service to our nation and for the cutting edge technologies that they bring in the defence of Australia.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>City in the Community</title>
          <page.no>57</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms FERNANDO</name>
    <name.id>299964</name.id>
    <electorate>Holt</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I am proud to host a delegation from City in the Community, Melbourne City Football Club's charitable arm, today and tomorrow. They have gotten off to a great start since beating the team of MPs and staffers 7-4 at the parliamentary football match this morning.</para>
<para>City in the Community's vision is to empower young people by putting them at the centre of their programs and uplifting their physical and mental health to develop the next generation of leaders. Established in 2010 alongside Melbourne City's foundation, their outreach programs have engaged over 100,000 young Victorians, including 11,000 in 2022 and 2023 alone. This is through various initiatives, including homework clubs, football clinics, fundraising drives and young leaders programs. All these initiatives are run with the cooperation of local community sporting organisations, schools and multicultural groups. In this way they ensure we develop together as a community and as a society, with football as the glue.</para>
<para>I want to particularly give a shout-out to Melbourne City's head of community, Sunil Menon, and program coordinator George Halkias for their tireless efforts. Thank you so much. They're in the crowd. Please give them a round of applause for all the work they've been doing.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Communications Legislation Amendment (Combatting Misinformation And Disinformation) Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>57</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr COLEMAN</name>
    <name.id>241067</name.id>
    <electorate>Banks</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The farce and outrage that is the Albanese government's misinformation bill continues. Last time we met in this chamber, we knew there were a lot of people who were angry about the bill and we knew that a lot of people had put in submissions, but we didn't know how many. It turns out that the total number of Australians who have put in a submission or made comments on this appalling bill is 23,000—23,000. They've joined people like the New South Wales Council for Civil Liberties, the Queensland Council for Civil Liberties and the Human Rights Commission in condemning the bill. So many different groups have condemned this appalling bill which gives an extraordinary amount of power to ACMA. We know that this is not theoretical, because those opposite constantly referred to misinformation in the context of the Voice referendum, basically meaning things that they did not like.</para>
<para>This is a very dangerous piece of legislation, it is a wrong piece of legislation for Australia, and that is why the condemnation has been so universal. It should be withdrawn, it is an outrageous affront to our democracy and it is shameful that the Albanese government is still persevering with this appalling piece of legislation.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Green, Mrs Edna Olwyn, OAM</title>
          <page.no>58</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr GOSLING</name>
    <name.id>245392</name.id>
    <electorate>Solomon</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Last month a contingent from the Australian Army, including the Chief of Army and some members of 'Old Faithful', the 3rd Battalion of the Royal Australian Regiment, were honoured to join the Green family to attend the internment ceremony of Mrs Olwyn Green OAM. Mrs Green was the widow of the late Lieutenant Colonel Charles Green DSO, US Silver Star, who was the commanding officer of the 3rd Battalion when he was killed in action during the battle of Chongju during the Korean War in 1950. The internment marked the reunion of Olwyn and Charlie after their lives were separated by the tragedy of war.</para>
<para>Olwyn was an amazing advocate for the veterans of the Korean War, and her efforts to preserve their legacy were recognised by her being granted an Order of Australia Medal, such was the scale of her historical, scholarly contribution about the war and about our veterans.</para>
<para>The internment ceremony at Busan was enormously supported by the army of the Republic of Korea, which is another example of the continued recognition of our strong connection that was forged through battle during the Korean War.</para>
<para>We all pay respect to the sacrifices that our defence families endure, and we should never forget them. Lest we forget.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Infrastructure</title>
          <page.no>58</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr CHESTER</name>
    <name.id>IPZ</name.id>
    <electorate>Gippsland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Australians are at risk of being killed and injured on our roads while the Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government fails to do her job and deliver the road safety projects that were fully budgeted for by the previous government. It's become farcical. It's now taken 171 days for the minister to undertake a 90-day review of the Infrastructure Investment Program—and she still needs more time.</para>
<para>If you apply the same logic to other activities in life, I estimate that this minister would need probably 97 minutes to watch the <inline font-style="italic">60 Minutes</inline> TV program. Watch out if she turns up for 90-second statements; she'll be after 171 seconds for a 90-second statement. I would hate to be invited around to the minister's place for dinner, because Minister King is the only person in Australia who needs 3½ minutes to cook two-minute noodles! If you see a grader or a crane or a bulldozer working on a public infrastructure project anywhere in Australia today, you can be sure this minister had absolutely nothing to do with it. After 18 months in the job, she has hit the ground reviewing and she can't even get that done on time. It's been 171 days for a 90-day review. If it wasn't so serious, this would actually be quite funny. Time is running out for this incompetent minister. Lives are being put at risk, and she is not doing her job.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Mundaring Hills Open Studios</title>
          <page.no>58</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms LAWRENCE</name>
    <name.id>299150</name.id>
    <electorate>Hasluck</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As Minister Burke said when launching the Revive national cultural policy, there's a place for every story, and the place to be this coming weekend is the Mundaring Hills Open Studios Art in the Hills event running until 29 October back in Hasluck. When people call into my office both here in Canberra and back in Ellenbrook, they're treated to gorgeous paintings by local Hills artists particularly focused on the endangered red-tailed black cockatoo, which has adopted me. The rambling environment of the Perth Hills, full of marri and jarrah and birds and bandicoots, inspires magnificent creations by its residents. This year, 65 artists will be exhibiting their stunning works, including paintings, sculpture, jewellery, textiles, woodwork and photography both in their own studios and in venues from Bellevue through to Hovea, Mahogany Creek all the way to Chidlow. Devotees of this popular event can go to the Mundaring Hills Open Studios website to find a locations map that will assist in their art crawl.</para>
<para>I thank the artists, hosts, volunteers, sponsors and supporters, including the Shire of Mundaring, Mundaring Art Centre, the Mundaring Chamber of Commerce, Cafe Mojo Mundaring, Amaroo, Brookwood Realty and Bendigo Bank, who have helped to make this iconic event possible this year—and all strength to the organising committee for their efforts. I urge all residents of Perth to make the journey up the hill. You certainly will not be disappointed by the extraordinary work and creations inspired by the nature around us in the hills.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Economy</title>
          <page.no>58</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr FLETCHER</name>
    <name.id>L6B</name.id>
    <electorate>Bradfield</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Australians have enthusiastically embraced the digital economy over the past decade. Many millions of us regularly get around with ride-sharing services, like Uber, Ola and Ingogo; order meals through platforms like DoorDash, Menulog and Uber Eats; find someone to help with jobs around the home or our business using services like Airtasker or Freelancer; or get specialist disability support via a platform like Mabel. Hundreds of thousands of Australians are providing their services over these platforms, and they've made this choice because it allows them to work flexibly when it suits them. Often they'll combine the work they do as an Uber driver or disability support worker with other time commitments, such as study, family responsibilities or building a business.</para>
<para>An Ipsos poll commissioned by Uber last year found that 93 per cent of its workers want laws that preserve their flexibility. As the Productivity Commission pointed out in its five-year productivity inquiry, the gig economy is bringing benefits by boosting productivity 'through matching efficiency and service markets and spurring technological innovation by platforms and their competitors'.</para>
<para>But the Albanese government is actively hostile. Workplace relations minister Tony Burke called the gig economy a cancer and has introduced draconian laws that will adversely impact the sector. Rather than jumping to the tune of union bosses, the government should consult carefully with platform operators, consumers and service providers; respect the choices millions of Australians are making every day; and take great care to avoid destroying the extraordinary benefits that this sector and the digital economy have brought to all Australians.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>America's Cup</title>
          <page.no>59</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>157125</name.id>
    <electorate>Pearce</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Forty years ago <inline font-style="italic">Australia </inline><inline font-style="italic">II</inline> famously won the America's Cup, and Fremantle recently held an event to celebrate the occasion. In the 1970s Alan Bond acquired 20,000 acres of land in Yanchep, and in 1972 developers unveiled Yanchep Sun City, with a plan to build the Two Rocks Marina as a training base for the 1974 America's Cup yacht race challenge. Fast forward to 1981 when Atlantis Marine Park emerged with the hope that Perth's rapid growth would be mirrored by an upsurge in tourism, and today hundreds of thousands of people fondly remember their visit to the iconic Atlantis Marine Park. The local community rallied tirelessly to preserve the historic site, and in January 2023 the Sun City precinct in Two Rocks earned a spot on the state register of heritage places. The iconic King Neptune statue is saved, but the fight continues for surrounding parkland for all to enjoy. In 1983, a fourth challenge was mounted, with Bond's team determined to bring the cup back to Australia. Amidst seven challengers, only one proudly flew the boxing kangaroo flag and featured the game-changing winged keel. <inline font-style="italic">Australia </inline><inline font-style="italic">II</inline>,designed by Ben Lexcen, skippered by John Bertrand, representing the Royal Perth Yacht Club, clinched victory. This was the first time in 132 years and 26 challenges that the New York Yacht Club has lost the cup. We all remember the colourful and proud reaction of former Prime Minister Bob Hawke. From humble beginnings in Two Rocks, a dream was born, and through unwavering skill, grit and determination that dream become a reality.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The members' time has concluded.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>59</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr McCORMACK</name>
    <name.id>219646</name.id>
    <electorate>Riverina</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It was called the 'restoring our rivers' bill, but what it will be is a 'destroying our river towns' bill. That's what passed the lower house earlier today, and it will have such an effect on those people who grow food and fibre for this country. I say: shame on all of you and, in particular, shame on the Greens. They always want to take our water.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>STATEMENTS ON INDULGENCE</title>
        <page.no>59</page.no>
        <type>STATEMENTS ON INDULGENCE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Rabuka, Hon. Sitiveni Ligamamada, CF, OBE, MSD</title>
          <page.no>59</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
    <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It is indeed an honour to welcome to the Australian parliament the Fijian Prime Minister, Sitiveni Rabuka, here with us today, as well as Mrs Rabuka. I give you a very warm welcome. I thank you again, Prime Minister, for welcoming me so warmly to Fiji earlier this year with a traditional ceremony which, yes, as the previous speaker might like to note, did include kava. I was fine because they make us tough in Marrickville!</para>
<para>Prime Minister, our meeting today has strengthened what is already a longstanding and special relationship between Fiji and Australia. We have made progress on some of our shared priorities including economic recovery, climate resilience, security and prosperity. We've deepened the strong personal ties that our two governments have formed.</para>
<para>Prime Minister Rabuka, I want acknowledge the leadership that you have shown, particularly your work to restore the unity of the Pacific Islands Forum. This is a family gathering, and next month our family will gather at the Cook Islands. It will be critical that we continue to talk about our security arrangements within the Pacific—looking after each other—the action that we take together to deal with the challenge of climate change; the opportunities that we have to benefit from by growing our economies; and programs like the PALM scheme that have made such a difference here in Australia but are making a difference for Fijians as well. I think that we have much to do. When we meet together at the Pacific Islands Forum in the Pacific way, we will deal with the shared challenges which we face. I also acknowledge your steadfast commitment to real climate action, and Australia stands by you in this commitment.</para>
<para>Today we signed a renewed and elevated Vuvale partnership. This partnership reflects the principles and priorities of both of our governments. Our elevated partnership reinforces the deep respect at the heart of our relationship—our partnership of equals. Fijians are Australia's largest Pacific diaspora, with almost 70,000 Fijian-born people living in our country. Fijians have a few good reasons to celebrate lately: Fiji's anniversary of independence last week and, one that I must mention, although it does bring some heartache, Fiji making the quarter finals of the Rugby World Cup at the expense of the Wallabies. But we congratulate you on what was an outstanding and clear victory over the Wallabies. We look forward to future contests between our two great nations.</para>
<para>Prime Minister Rabuka, while we might be competitors on the rugby field, we are completely on the one side when it comes to the relations that we have in this region and the strategic challenges that this region faces. I thank you once again for your support for the AUKUS arrangements when we spoke prior to the announcements. Then you welcomed me at Blackrock in the ceremony, after my visit to San Diego with President Biden and Prime Minister Sunak. We are great friends. I thank you for the meetings that we've had today, both the one-on-ones and your meeting that you had with other senior ministers, including our Minister for International Development and the Pacific, Minister Conroy, who has such a fantastic relationship with you and other Pacific island leaders.</para>
<para>I look forward to joining with you and your delegation in a less formal activity tonight at the Lodge. You are very welcome here, and our door will always be open to you and to the people of Fiji, who are our great friends.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr DUTTON</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
    <electorate>Dickson</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I join with the Prime Minister and thank him for his very warm words in relation to our most valued guest. Prime Minister Rabuka, thank you very much for being here and for taking the time and effort. To both you and your wife, and your delegation: you are family and you are most welcome here in this parliament, in this chamber. I hope the message that is conveyed to you by the Prime Minister's contribution and by my own is that we speak as one in terms of the support of this parliament, across the aisle, to pay tribute to the respect that we have for you, as an individual, and for our friends and family in Fiji.</para>
<para>Let me deal with the difficult part of the relationship first—as the Prime Minister pointed out before, that is rugby! I said to you in our bilateral meeting earlier, 'Thank you for not raising it in the first five seconds of conversation!' It was a sterling effort at Australia's expense; all of us were devastated by the loss. But the struggle on the rugby field demonstrated a lot about your culture and your people. The heart, will and determination of your nation was represented through those fine players.</para>
<para>Now is a time in our region, as you well appreciate—perhaps more than many within the region—for family to come together. It is a time for us to stand up for common values and a common purpose, and to advance peace and stability in the region. The attributes that you and members of your cabinet bring are a great credit to you, sir. So thank you very much for being here today.</para>
<para>I was proud to serve in the Morrison government during the course of the COVID pandemic and through the work that we did through the National Security Committee to provide support by way of PPE and delivering vaccines as quickly as we could to provide support to Fiji and to other Pacific island nations. It was a very important period in our relationship and in our history. What I think it spoke most to was the absolute certainty and knowledge that Fiji can live with—that, at the time of the next pandemic, the next natural disaster or whatever event might take place, Australia will always be there, standing shoulder to shoulder with you and providing support to people we deeply regard as family and as dear friends.</para>
<para>Thank you for your time in being here with us today. I wish you all the very best in the balance of your tour and visit here. You're a most valued guest in our parliament and in our country.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MINISTRY</title>
        <page.no>60</page.no>
        <type>MINISTRY</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Temporary Arrangements</title>
          <page.no>60</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
    <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I inform the House that the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Defence will be absent from question time today and tomorrow. The Minister for Skills and Training will answer questions on his behalf. And I inform the House that the Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations and Minister for the Arts will be absent from question time today. The Minister for Skills and Training—who we're skilling up and training to answer every question!—will answer questions on his behalf as well.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>60</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Uluru Statement from the Heart</title>
          <page.no>60</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr DUTTON</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
    <electorate>Dickson</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Prime Minister. Is it the Prime Minister's position that he doesn't know if he personally supports makarrata, treaty and truth-telling until he speaks with the Referendum Working Group?</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The member for Lyons will cease interjecting. The issue of interjecting whilst ministers are approaching the dispatch box, or during questions, is highly disorderly.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
    <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I note that, in the lead-up to the referendum that was held on Saturday—in which Australians, under our system, determined what their view was on the referendum question that was put for constitutional recognition of First Australians through a voice to parliament as the result of the invitation that was expressed in the Uluru Statement from the Heart in 2017—they said that the government was distracted. I pointed out in the lead-up to that that they'd asked every question in parliament about that and nothing about the cost of living.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The member for Deakin will cease interjecting. The Leader of the Opposition?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Dutton</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr Speaker, I seek your ruling in relation to relevance. This is a very tight question. It asked the Prime Minister whether he personally knows what he thinks without having to consult others.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Resume your seat. The question asked, really, for an expression of opinion, but it also mentioned the referendum and the referendum committee. Whilst the question is within order, it should really relate to government policy, not opinion, but I'm allowing the question and I'll allow the Prime Minister to continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Once again, what we see from the nature of this question is that it suggests that opinions should happen in a vacuum. What we campaigned for, I said very clearly, was to listen to First Australians about matters that affect them. If those opposite think that we should not listen to Indigenous Australians about matters that affect them at all, then they should say so. Of course, we know that that is the case. This is an absolute demonstration once again that the Leader of the Opposition has nothing positive to offer the country. He is all about saying no and opposing change. Yesterday, of course, we saw him change his position between <inline font-style="italic">Sunrise</inline> and the <inline font-style="italic">Today</inline> show. It's been on and off again. Of course, when it comes to the issue of Indigenous affairs, which is certainly relevant, we know that the Leader of the Opposition found the apology to stolen generations so objectionable that he walked out. He couldn't even stay seated there. Of all the 151 members in this House, there's only one person who walked out, and he sits in the Leader of the Opposition's chair.</para>
<para>Honourable members interjecting—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The Prime Minister will return to the question. There is far too much noise. The Leader of the Opposition was heard in silence. I'm asking for all members to show restraint today. The Prime Minister is in continuation.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para> I was asked about my opinion, and I'm giving my opinion of this bloke. That was the question. It was completely not within standing orders, but I'm happy to answer it. What I have said is that I accept the outcome of the referendum on Saturday, that I respect the fact that Indigenous people are taking the time to— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Murray-Darling Basin</title>
          <page.no>61</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms MILLER-FROST</name>
    <name.id>296272</name.id>
    <electorate>Boothby</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for the Environment and Water. How is the Albanese Labor government working to deliver the Murray-Darling Basin Plan, and why is it important for both houses of parliament to support these efforts? What are the obstacles to progress?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PLIBERSEK</name>
    <name.id>83M</name.id>
    <electorate>Sydney</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thanks so much to the member for Boothby. She is absolutely determined to see the Murray-Darling Basin Plan delivered in full, as are all of us on this side and thankfully those on the crossbench as well. Today we passed legislation through the House of Representatives to do just that.</para>
<para>I want to thank all members of the parliament who supported the bill today, because over the last month we've had a really stark reminder of just why it's necessary to deliver the Murray-Darling Basin Plan. We're seeing the return of El Nino after three years of good rain—in fact, too much rain in some instances. We're now seeing a return to hotter, drier weather patterns. We've seen record temperatures across the country. We've seen some of the hottest September days ever, and from painful experience we know what this next El Nino cycle means. It means less rain, more extreme heat, more bushfire risk and more pressure on our rivers, on our farmers and on the Murray-Darling Basin system, the source of drinking water for three million Australians.</para>
<para>The time for talking and the time for delay is over. We must deliver this plan, and that's what we're doing. Our legislation has something that all parties should be able to support, because it has something for everyone. Those opposite asked for more time to deliver the plan, and that's what this legislation does. There is more time for states to complete their water efficiency projects. That's precisely what the National Party in particular have asked for. More time is what the National Farmers Federation have been calling for. It gives more options as well, allowing for on-farm and off-farm water efficiency projects, for land and water purchase and for counting of the excess water recovered under the bridging the gap target towards the 450-gigalitre target. All of that means less reliance on voluntary purchase—again, something that the National Party should be supporting.</para>
<para>Our bill also delivers the full 450 gigalitres of water for the environment. That's why those sitting on the crossbench, as well as all of our Labor MPs, support it. They know how important this is for the environment. That's why they've worked so cooperatively with us on in bill. As well as thanking the independent members, I thank the Greens for voting for this legislation. I hope that they will also support this legislation in the Senate.</para>
<para>This is one of the largest investments in the environment that any government will ever make. This is a million square kilometres of inland Australia, 16 Ramsar listed wetlands, 35 endangered species and 120 different types of waterbirds. The proposal is sensible. It is balanced, and I hope others step up and support it. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>First Nations Australians</title>
          <page.no>62</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms LEY</name>
    <name.id>00AMN</name.id>
    <electorate>Farrer</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Indigenous Australians. The minister has previously stated that the makarrata commission is 'really code for treaty without saying it'.</para>
<para>Government members interjecting—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Members on my right will cease interjecting. I need to hear the question, otherwise I'll allow the deputy leader to restate her question. I've heard it so far, but she'll be heard in silence for the remainder of the question.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms LEY</name>
    <name.id>00AMN</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Is the minister still committed to treaty and truth-telling?</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms BURNEY</name>
    <name.id>8GH</name.id>
    <electorate>Barton</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Farrer for her question. The request for a voice to parliament came from Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. That's why we took it to a referendum. It was supported by so many Indigenous people. In Wadeye, we saw it was 92 per cent. In the Tiwi Islands it was 84 per cent. In Maningrida it was 88 per cent. And the polling team that visited Yuendumu recorded 75 per cent. These are remarkable outcomes and tell a very important story in terms of this referendum. Of course, we respect the result and accept the decision of the Australian people. Our focus has always been on getting better results for Indigenous Australians. I think that's something that we all agree on.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Cost of Living</title>
          <page.no>62</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SITOU</name>
    <name.id>298121</name.id>
    <electorate>Reid</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Treasurer. How is the Albanese Labor government's responsible economic management and budget strategy helping to clean up the mess we inherited and ease cost-of-living pressures for all Australians?</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Members on my left. The Minister for Climate Change and Energy will cease interjecting. There's far too much noise. The member for Mitchell is warned.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr CHALMERS</name>
    <name.id>37998</name.id>
    <electorate>Rankin</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>That is an outstanding question from an outstanding member. The member for Reid has asked me more questions about the economy in the last two minutes than the shadow Treasurer has asked me for more than two months, so I appreciate the question.</para>
<para>The cost-of-living pressures that people are confronting are the No. 1 priority of this government because we understand people are doing it tough. Ever since rates and inflation started rising, before the election, we have understood that the conflicts in Europe and now in the Middle East have impacted energy prices around the world.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The member for Page is warned.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Dr CHALMERS</name>
    <name.id>37998</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We are seeing that here as well, and Australians are feeling that pressure at the bowser in particular. Inflation is lower than it was last year, but it is more persistent in the global economy and that makes it more persistent here as well. Oil prices are a bigger part of that story now, and we will see that in the inflation numbers that will be released next week. Governor Bullock talked about this today as well.</para>
<para>Our primary focus is on helping Australians with the cost of living in at least 10 ways: electricity bill relief, cheaper child care, increased rent assistance, more Medicare bulk billing, cheaper medicines, boosting income support payments, building more affordable homes, extending PPL, fee-free TAFE and getting wages moving again. This is helping to take some of the edge off cost-of-living pressures without adding to inflation. Treasury says that because of some of these measures, inflation is about three-quarters of a point lower this year than it would otherwise be if those opposite had had their way.</para>
<para>We're providing $23 billion in cost-of-living relief at the same time as we are getting the budget in much better nick—the biggest budget turnaround in the history of this country: from a $78 billion deficit to a $22 billion surplus in one year. Our budget position is now the fourth best in the word. Under those opposite it was the 15th best two years ago. In two years, we've taken the 15th best budget in the world and turned it into the fourth best budget in the world.</para>
<para>Opposition members interjecting —</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Dr CHALMERS</name>
    <name.id>37998</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Despite the nasty negativity of those opposite, we are providing cost-of-living help. We have overseen the creation of more jobs than any new government ever. We are upskilling Australians for better pay. We are getting the budget in much better nick, and we are cleaning up the mess that those opposite left behind. That's why it has been months since the shadow Treasurer has asked me a question about the economy.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The member for Hume has been continually interjecting. I don't need the sound effects, either. If he continues to interject, he'll be warned, and he won't be here for question time or the MPI.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</title>
        <page.no>63</page.no>
        <type>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Chaney, Hon. Fred AO, Adams, Hon. Dick OAM, Stuckey, Hon. Jann</title>
          <page.no>63</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm pleased to inform the House that present in the gallery today is the Hon. Fred Chaney AO, former minister, senator for Western Australia, member for Pearce and the uncle of the member for Curtin. On behalf of the House, welcome back to question time. I'm also pleased to inform the House that present in the gallery today is the Hon. Dick Adams OAM, former member for Lyons. I'm also pleased to inform the House that present in the gallery today is the Hon. Jann Stuckey, former member for Currumbin and minister in the Queensland government.</para>
<para>Honourable members: Hear, hear!</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>63</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Fuel</title>
          <page.no>63</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr</name>
    <name.id>297660</name.id>
    <electorate>Kooyong</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>RYAN () (): My question is for the minister for infrastructure and transport. The ABC recently reported that major car companies are lobbying for multiplier loopholes in the government's fuel efficiency standards. This would distort the reporting so that it would look like they were selling more EVs than they actually are. Will the minister formally commit to avoiding these multiplier loopholes in the government's forthcoming fuel efficiency standards?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms CATHERINE KING</name>
    <name.id>00AMR</name.id>
    <electorate>Ballarat</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Ryan for the question. I know that this is an important issue not only for her and for her electorate of Kooyong but also to the whole country. We know that the Albanese government want Australian households and businesses to reap the benefits of modern, cheaper low-emissions cars. Australia, alongside Russia, is one of the two countries that does not have fuel-efficiency standards, and we have, frankly, the previous government to thank for that legacy.</para>
<para>The Australian government has committed to introducing a fuel-efficiency standard. Designing a fuel efficiency standard is quite a complicated process, and that's why I've been meeting with a range of stakeholders. Yesterday I met with ACOSS to talk about how important it is that people on low incomes benefit from electric vehicles and how we might work on that together. There are fuel-efficiency standards globally that include the use of multiplier credits, which some have described—as you have done—as loopholes. In our consultation we examined the full range of fuel-efficiency standard models across the world, but so far we have not committed to one model. There will be an opportunity for stakeholders to review and discuss the options further when the government releases its impact analysis. I'm very determined that we will have a fuel-efficiency standard that improves consumer access to cleaner, cheaper-to-run cars that save consumers money. It's incredibly important they do that, particularly at the bowser while assisting Australia to reduce its carbon emissions.</para>
<para>When it comes to closing loopholes, that may be exploited by car manufacturers. We haven't taken our eye off the ball. In fact, just after question time, the Prime Minister and I and the Minister for Energy will be talking about the $14 million funding program to test the real-world emissions of vehicles to ensure that consumers do understand how much a vehicle will cost to run before they purchase it and what its real emissions will be. This information will be absolutely critical to supporting households and businesses looking to buy more sustainable cars and cheaper-to-run vehicles. That is what this fuel efficiency is all about—making sure we have access to cheaper-to-run vehicles across all levels of our income spectrum in this country.</para>
<para>The government have released our first National Electric Vehicle Strategy, delivering on our commitment to provide greater choice for Australians to drive cars that are cleaner and cheaper to run.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Cost of Living</title>
          <page.no>64</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr GARLAND</name>
    <name.id>295588</name.id>
    <electorate>Chisholm</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Prime Minister. How is the Albanese Labor government helping relieve cost-of-living pressures on Australians, and is there any opposition to these actions?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
    <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Chisholm for her question. Our No. 1 priority is easing cost-of-living pressures. There are three vital ways we are tackling the cost of living: getting costs down for families; getting wages up for workers; and getting the budget onto a stronger foundation. We're taking pressure off inflation and pressure off interest rates.</para>
<para>The Leader of the Opposition has opposed every action we have taken. He has nothing positive to offer the country—he just says 'no' and opposes any changes put forward. In spite of this opposition, we've delivered $23 billion in cost-of-living relief to Australians to help get costs down; cheaper child care; increased rent assistance; more Medicare bulk-billing; cheaper medicines; boosting income support payments; electricity bill relief; fee-free TAFE; building more affordable homes; and the expansion of paid parental leave. We're acting on wages as well. But those opposite oppose all of it, just like they opposed our actions to get wages growing. Even the pay rise for aged-care workers and the increase in the minimum wage. They opposed an increase in the minimum wage. We have created 550,000 jobs since we came to office—a record for any new government.</para>
<para>We did something else those opposite never achieved in their decade in office: we produced a budget surplus, turning a $78 billion deficit into a $22 billion surplus. They vote against all of this. We prioritise growth, but one area where we've never seen any growth is in the Leader of the Opposition! Fifteen years after he walked out on the apology, he hasn't grown a bit.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The member for Gippsland will cease interjecting.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>He's such a development free zone, I'm worried the Greens will start warming to him, because, if you want nothing to happen, he's your guy! No growth, no development, just staying in the same old reactionary position, dragging the Liberal Party to the right.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The member for Deakin will cease interjecting.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We talk about going forward. He has no plan—just sitting there saying what he's against.</para>
<para>They voted against secure jobs and better pay. They ran up the biggest budget deficit in Australian history, but we on this side are cleaning up the mess.</para>
<para>Opposition members interjecting—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>There is far too much noise on my left. The member for Durack and the member for Deakin were constantly interjecting during that answer. It's highly disorderly. I'll take action if it continues.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Central Australia</title>
          <page.no>64</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr WEBSTER</name>
    <name.id>281688</name.id>
    <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Indigenous Australians. On 6 February this year, the Albanese government announced a $250 million package for Central Australia. How much money has been expended to date?</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The member for Lingiari will cease interjecting before the minister has even begun.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms BURNEY</name>
    <name.id>8GH</name.id>
    <electorate>Barton</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for her question. The member is correct in that we announced a $250 million investment into Central Australia. People across this chamber understand some of the challenges faced by Central Australia. I have visited Alice Springs and surrounding regions on a number of occasions. When we first got to Central Australia, because of the actions of the previous government, youth services were about to close.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms Ley</name>
    <name.id>00AMN</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>How much has been spent?</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms BURNEY</name>
    <name.id>8GH</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm about to tell you if you stop. Twenty-five million dollars was expended to keep those youth services open. That's the first thing. The second thing is that recently I announced an $18.4 million package in terms of FASD, ADHD and other neurological issues faced by children in Central Australia. For the Congress of First Peoples, which is the Aboriginal medical service out there, this means that they can reach double the number of children that were previously part of the FASD program.</para>
<para>We have also expended money through Minister Clare—$40.1 million—in terms of the schools right across Central Australia. This means schools like Yuendumu get an extra $1.4 to $1.8 million. So $40.1 million across schools in Central Australia has been expended. We have spent $2 million on the Tangentyere women's service, which means that they are able to service more people in the town camps when it comes to domestic violence.</para>
<para>We've expended over $100,000 in Katherine in terms of the legal service there that particularly serves women that have been victims of domestic violence. We are laying out plans now, working with the local government association, for $18 million into justice reinvestment programs.</para>
<para>That is not everything, but it gives you a very good example of what we're doing in Central Australia. We take our responsibilities there extremely seriously.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Temporary Work Visas</title>
          <page.no>65</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr DAVID SMITH</name>
    <name.id>276714</name.id>
    <electorate>Bean</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Home Affairs. The recently released Nixon report exposed extensive exploitation of the visa system, but it's not the first review to do so. What actions are the Albanese Labor government taking to tackle the very serious issues in the migration system?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms O'NEIL</name>
    <name.id>140590</name.id>
    <electorate>Hotham</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Bean for his excellent question.</para>
<para>I have spoken in the House this week about the Nixon report and its findings about the serious and systemic failures in our migration system. To remind the House: Christine Nixon, a former police commissioner, reviewed our migration system and found that the system was being used to perpetrate some of the worst crimes there are—sexual exploitation and human trafficking—and that things were so bad that Australia had become a target for organised crime as a result. She found that the root causes of this problem were delay and a profound lack of enforcement overseen by the opposition leader who sits opposite me now.</para>
<para>What we know is that the opposition leader cannot claim not to have known about these problems while he was minister, because there was report after report—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Sukkar</name>
    <name.id>242515</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>What a lightweight you are!</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The minister will pause. The member for Deakin will leave the chamber under 94(a). When you're told to cease interjecting, that's the time to cease interjecting. The minister in continuation.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The member for Deakin then left the chamber.</inline></para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms O'NEIL</name>
    <name.id>140590</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you. The opposition leader can't claim not to have known about these problems, because while he was minister he received repeated reports that told him some variation on this subject. In 2016, the Senate Education and Employment References Committee published a report called, simply, <inline font-style="italic">A national disgrace: the exploitation of temporary work visa holders</inline>. The opposition leader did nothing. In 2017, a study from the University of New South Wales exposed exploitation of temporary migrants. The opposition leader did nothing. In 2018, the Fair Work Ombudsman released findings of a four-year inquiry showing widespread noncompliance amongst employers. The opposition leader did nothing. In 2019, the former assistant minister in the Home Affairs portfolio, the member for La Trobe, oversaw a report and said himself:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Organised crime and illegitimate labour hire companies are using this loophole to bring out illegal workers who are often vulnerable and open to exploitation. This represents an orchestrated scam that enables these criminal elements to exploit foreign workers in Australia …</para></quote>
<para>The opposition leader did nothing. Five reports in six years: all of them ignored by the opposition leader, who refused to do the hard work to fix this system. Instead, he focused his energy and attention on building a completely hypocritical public reputation on being a tough guy on our borders when he was absolutely the opposite.</para>
<para>We are taking a different approach. We are taking serious action because we are serious about this problem. This work is going to take a bit of time, but I can tell the parliament that we have done so much already: we have rebuilt the immigration compliance section in our department; we have given new powers and funding to those who regulate migration agents; and we've invested an additional $50 million in making sure that people follow the rules.</para>
<para>The Nixon review is a 44-page indictment on the opposition leader and the incompetent way he managed our borders. I spoke yesterday about one case where a criminal walked into our country and set up an exploitation ring, just as he had done in another country. The opposition leader let him into Australia and let him stay, bouncing from visa to visa to visa. Our government kicked him out and put a lifetime ban on him ever coming to our country. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Albanese Government</title>
          <page.no>66</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr TAYLOR</name>
    <name.id>231027</name.id>
    <electorate>Hume</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister promised on 97 occasions to reduce power bills by $275. The Prime Minister has also promised on 34 occasions to implement the Uluru statement in full. Can Australians believe anything this weak Prime Minister says?</para>
<para>Ho nourable members interjecting—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The Minister for Home Affairs will cease interjecting. The member for Hunter will leave the chamber under 94(a). Interjecting before a minister or the Prime Minister speaks is highly disorderly. The Prime Minister has the call.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The member for Hunter then left the chamber.</inline></para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
    <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It will be very difficult not to be relevant to that question, given that I think it was about the Voice and it was about energy and climate change. It was about a whole range of things and commitments. We committed, prior to the election, to having an energy policy.</para>
<para>A government member: Just one!</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Just one! And we got one. We've got one with a net zero by 2050 target, with a 43 per cent reduction by 2030, with a safeguard mechanism system in place to drive down the emissions of the top emitters in an orderly way so that business can have certainty to invest.</para>
<para>We committed to re-engaging with the world on climate change. The visit from our friend the Prime Minister of Fiji is another reminder that, instead of being in the naughty corner, as Australia was, in the Pacific, in our region, when it comes to climate change, we are now constructive contributors when it comes to climate change.</para>
<para>We also of course committed to having a referendum when it comes to the constitutional recognition through a voice to parliament. We said we would do it, we did it, the Australian people had their say, and we accept that outcome, as we should in our democratic process.</para>
<para>But those opposite, of course, have a different position every single day. The opposition leader has been called out for the fact that he makes things up regularly, sometimes several times a day. David Crowe, in the <inline font-style="italic">Sydney Morning Herald</inline>, spoke about—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order. I'll just ask the Prime Minister to pause, so I can hear from—</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The member for Morton will not be interjecting anymore during question time. The member for Hume on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Taylor</name>
    <name.id>231027</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On relevance, Mr Speaker: we've given him two minutes and 20 seconds, and he is not talking about the question. The question was very specific.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Resume your seat. The question said at the end, 'Can Australians believe anything the Prime Minister says?' That was in the question. 'Can Australians believe anything the Prime Minister says?'</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Dutton</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That was not the question he asked.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, you're lying again.</para>
<para>Honourable members interjecting—</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! I call the Manager of Opposition Business.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Fletcher</name>
    <name.id>L6B</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That was unparliamentary language, and the Prime Minister should immediately withdraw that.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>To assist the House, I'm just going to ask the Prime Minister to withdraw. I ask the Prime Minister to quickly withdraw.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>We all heard it said. We all heard the question. I was answering the question.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>If you can take your seat for a moment, Leader of the Opposition, I'd just ask the Prime Minister to quickly withdraw to assist the House.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I withdraw.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Dutton</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr Speaker, if it helps the House, and to assist the House, as I'm always pleased to do, I can repeat the question put by the shadow Treasurer: can Australians believe anything this weak Prime Minister says? That's what he said.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Deputy Leader of the House has the call.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Butler</name>
    <name.id>HWK</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That is a complete abuse of standing orders. We allowed the shadow Treasurer—because he has so little time at the dispatch box—to make a ridiculous point of order on relevance with the most wide-ranging question—</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Deputy Leader of the House will—</para>
<para>Opposition members interjecting—</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Members on my left will cease interjecting. I thank the Leader of the Opposition for his assistance and I thank the Deputy Leader of the House for his assistance. Win-win! Now, the Prime Minister has 40 seconds remaining. I'm just going to ask him to return to the question.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The shadow Treasurer is incapable of asking a question of the Treasurer about the economy. Every now and again he puts in an MPI, hoping that no-one will be here to listen—every day, prime time, later in the afternoon. He is a joke.</para>
<para>Opposition members interjecting—</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order, the member for La Trobe. When the House comes to order, I'll hear from the member for Makin.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Defence Procurement</title>
          <page.no>67</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ZAPPIA</name>
    <name.id>HWB</name.id>
    <electorate>Makin</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Defence Industry. How is the Albanese Labor government ensuring the Australian Defence Force has the weapons and equipment needed for Australia's national security, and why are improvements in defence capability acquisition needed after a wasted decade in defence procurement?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr CONROY</name>
    <name.id>249127</name.id>
    <electorate>Shortland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Makin for his question. The Albanese Labor government is providing the critical capabilities that Australia needs to maintain our national security.</para>
<para>Opposition members interjecting—</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The minister will pause. There is far too much noise. I can't hear a word the minister is saying. The Leader of the Opposition is not helping, and he will cease interjecting. The question was heard in silence. I'm going to ask for silence for the remainder of this minister's answer.</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr CONROY</name>
    <name.id>249127</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>As I was saying, unlike the opposition, we don't govern by media releases. We are bringing forward capabilities to deal with our strategic circumstances. We brought forward the Army's new infantry fighting vehicles, so much so that the last one will come off the production line before the first one would have started under those opposite. We're also urgently fixing the defence procurement mess left by the Leader of the Opposition when he was the Minister for Defence. We're fixing things such as the battlefield airlift aircraft that can't fly into battlefields. We're repairing the patrol boats, on which the opposition leader allowed the use of imported rusty aluminium—imagine that, defence ministers allowing rusty aluminium to be imported! We're also now fixing a significant issue with our navy supply vessels. These are the massive supply ships—</para>
<para>Opposition members interjecting—</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The minister will pause. There is far too much noise. The Leader of the Opposition will cease interjecting.</para>
<para>Honourable members interjecting—</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The minister will resume his seat. There's far too much noise, and there's now a general warning issued to the entire House, which means, if people continue to interject, they will leave without a warning. The disruption will not continue.</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr CONROY</name>
    <name.id>249127</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>These are the massive vessels that the opposition, when they were in government, offshored. They allowed these vessels to be built in a foreign country because they didn't believe in Australian manufacturing, and now we're seeing serious issues with the quality of work. We have just discovered that metal is leeching from some of the pipes into the drinking water in parts of the ships. This is now so serious that our brave sailors can't access drinking water in parts of these very important vessels, all because of the incompetence of the opposition leader when he was the defence minister. That's what we see from when they were in government.</para>
<para>We're also fixing issues through our reforms to the defence procurement process. We will repair the damage done by the opposition leader when he was in government. Days before the last election the defence minister at the time, the now opposition leader, announced he was throwing out a tender process and sole-sourcing a particular drone, a drone used by a particular number of countries. Those countries were Russia, Myanmar and China. That's the quality of the work from the opposition leader. We have now taken action and reversed that decision. Our government is serious about taking reforms on defence and fixing the projects that he allowed to slip. Under his role as defence minister 28 major projects were running 97 years late and $6½ billion over budget. By contrast, the Albanese Labor government is committed to defending the nation, reforming defence and delivering the capabilities the ADF needs, unlike the opposition leader, who can't be trusted on defence.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Constitution: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice</title>
          <page.no>68</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BIRRELL</name>
    <name.id>288713</name.id>
    <electorate>Nicholls</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Prime Minister. Did the Prime Minister ever receive advice from a member or members of the Referendum Working Group suggesting the referendum be delayed to a date later than 14 October?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
    <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>No is the answer to the question. Indeed, Yunupingu had this to say when talking about the Uluru Statement from the Heart and about what needed to happen:</para>
<quote><para class="block">So the task remains: to reconcile with the truth, to find the unity and achieve the settlement. A prime minister must lead it and complete it. The leader of the nation should accept his or her commission and simply say what he or she thinks is right, and put that forward for the nation to correct, or to accept, or to reject. Let us have an honest answer from the Australian people to an honest question.</para></quote>
<para>We did that. I note that very insensitively last week the Leader of the Opposition raised Yunupingu, something that I know, from speaking to some of the leaders of the Yolngu people in Arnhem Land, they were terribly offended by, given the role that Yunupingu played in the Uluru Statement from the Heart. But that's something for the Leader of the Opposition to consider.</para>
<para>I note as well that the leader of the opposition in the other place had this to say:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Perceptions of intolerance created by some hasn't just cost the votes of those who feel judged, it has hurt the Liberal Party with all who reject nastiness or divisiveness</para></quote>
<para>They're the words of Simon Birmingham, the leader of the Liberal Party in the Senate. And of course in this chamber the member for Bass had this to say, 'I think the party needs to stop ideological dog whistling.'</para>
<para>We had a referendum in accordance with the commitment that I gave to the Australian people. We had it at a time, 18 months in, which was similar to what John Howard promised in 2007 he would do. We did it to separate it away from when elections would be, and anyone who had a look at the parliamentary sitting timetable could have worked out some time ago what the options were for dates of the referendum. I outlined it last year, post my speech to Garma, where I outlined the draft. We changed that of course, in accordance with the advice that we got, but we also outlined the timetable of when the referendum would be held. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Vocational Education and Training</title>
          <page.no>68</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr ANANDA-RAJAH</name>
    <name.id>290544</name.id>
    <electorate>Higgins</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Skills and Training. How will the Albanese Labor government's landmark five-year National Skills Agreement embed national cooperation and strategic investment in our vocational education and training sector after a wasted decade? And what has been the response to the agreement?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr O'CONNOR</name>
    <name.id>00AN3</name.id>
    <electorate>Gorton</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Higgins for her question and her strong support for the VET sector. We have of course landed a very important landmark agreement for the VET sector, reaching an accord with the state and territory governments. I want to thank the Prime Minister for making that happen finally this week. I'd like to thank my counterpart ministers in all state and territory governments for working with me over the last 12 months to make sure we did that, because we need to ensure that we have an agreement that can drive skills and supply the skills in areas of demand. We have very major challenges in sectors of our economy: the transformation of the energy sector, making sure that we've got greater sovereign capability and ensuring we respond to the labour and skills supply shortages in the care economy, just to mention a few. I'd like to thank those ministers for their very collaborative efforts to date.</para>
<para>I'd also like to inform the House, if I may, of the response by industry to this agreement. This really does, I think, underline that we are working across the constituent parts of the economy. The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry CEO Andrew McKellar has said with respect to the agreement that the best way for Australia to avoid recurring skills shortages is to invest strongly in training Australians. This new agreement has inbuilt features to prevent further skills shortages. The Business Council of Australia CEO Bran Black spoke of the vital role the VET sector must play in developing critical skills needed to meet current and future workforce needs. The ACTU and AEU called the skills agreement a game changer that will make an incredible difference to working people and the next generation coming through—</para>
<para>An honourable member interjecting—</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr O'CONNOR</name>
    <name.id>00AN3</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That's right: unions. Have you heard the word? It's alright. Is that okay? Can I quote Innes Willox? Is that okay? Innes Willox, who is head of the AI Group, said that this agreement could not be more timely, and he called it an historic and economy-changing plan. That's what Innes Willox said about this agreement, if that's okay with you. He's right, of course. To fix the massive skills shortage that we inherited and to rebuild and renovate the VET sector, we needed to have this agreement.</para>
<para>It is the first National Skills Agreement in a decade. What were you doing over those last nine years? Nothing! Completely incompetent—unable to deliver any decent agreement with respect to skills and training in this country. We have the Deputy Leader of the Opposition calling fee-free TAFE 'wasteful spending', yet 215,000 Australians are enrolled in courses of demand to supply the skills that our economy needs, that businesses need, and that workers and students need, and we'll continue to work with state and territory governments and industry to supply those needs.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Before I call the member for Goldstein, I didn't want to interrupt during the answer, but I want to remind ministers that, under page 504 of <inline font-style="italic">Practice</inline> and standing order 65(a), it's not acceptable to say 'you' when speaking to another member in the chamber.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</title>
        <page.no>69</page.no>
        <type>DISTINGUISHED VISITORS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Roberts, Hon. Neil Stuart, Flesser, Mr Kim, Melbourne City Football Club</title>
          <page.no>69</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Before I call the member for Goldstein, I'd like to recognise in the gallery former Queensland minister the Hon. Neil Roberts; long-serving Brisbane city councillor and my former colleague Councillor Kim Flesser, and the Melbourne City Football Club from the electorate of Holt. Welcome to you all.</para>
<para>Hon ourable members: Hear, hear!</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>69</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Community Grants</title>
          <page.no>69</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms DANIEL</name>
    <name.id>008CH</name.id>
    <electorate>Goldstein</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Prime Minister. Considering the situation in Israel and Gaza, many members of the Goldstein community and other diverse communities are feeling anxious, insecure and unsafe. When can vulnerable institutions in our communities, including synagogues and schools in Goldstein and surrounds, expect to get access to fast-tracked grants promised by the government or other support?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
    <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Goldstein very much for her question. I thank her for her engagement. We had a meeting along with some others yesterday at which this issue of course was one of the issues that was raised.</para>
<para>Earlier this week, I announced the additional $10 million that the cabinet made a decision about on Monday to add to the $40 million that we committed to the Securing Faith-Based Places program. I can indicate to the member for Goldstein that today the government is awarding the $50 million program in full to help keep Australians across the country able to practise their religion in a safe way. The Albanese government is committed to ensuring that people of all faiths can live in Australia free from violence and discrimination. The $50 million Securing Faith-Based Places program grants will improve security at religious schools and preschools, places of worship, and faith based community centres. Grants have been approved in every state and territory across different faith communities, including the Jewish community and the Islamic community, who are both feeling particularly vulnerable at the moment. The Securing Faith-Based Places program helps protect Australians from crime and violence motivated by religious or racial intolerance by funding security infrastructure, and that is why it is an important program.</para>
<para>I say as well that we have seen a devastating loss of innocent life since the heinous attacks on Israel by the terrorist group Hamas. The scenes that we've seen today from the explosion at a Gaza City hospital are deeply distressing. It is clear there has been a devastating loss of life, and our thoughts are with those killed, those injured and their loved ones. The protection of civilian lives must come first, and respect for international humanitarian law is absolutely paramount. We condemn as a government any indiscriminate attacks and targeting of civilian infrastructure, including hospitals. Australia joins with others in calling for international law to always be upheld.</para>
<para>Every innocent life matters, whether Israeli or Palestinian. Every innocent life matters. And here in Australia, where we can be, I think, a microcosm for the world, where people overwhelmingly live in harmony next to each other, enriched by the diversity of communities like the member for Goldstein's and my own in the electorate of Grayndler, I see our diversity as a strength. But we need to cherish it and we can't take it for granted, and that's why we need to work as well, follow the advice of the Director-General of ASIO and work with all community leaders to make sure that harmony is maintained in this nation.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr DUTTON</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
    <electorate>Dickson</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>on indulgence—I join with the Prime Minister's remarks. The Prime Minister and I spoke on Monday in relation to these matters, and included in that conversation was a conversation about the support for communities to increase safety. We very much support the government's announcement. Obviously, when we were in government, there was a significant effort undertaken to provide support to faith based organisations and others in the community that felt a vulnerability. That is heightened at this point in time. The tragic circumstances that we see we commented on at the beginning of the week, and to the great credit of this chamber there was a bipartisan position in condemning the actions of the terrorist group Hamas. Nobody wants to see the loss of any civilian life, and the conduct of Hamas in telling people to stay in harm's way is a deplorable act but not the first and not the last. We are sure of that.</para>
<para>To the Islamic communities here in our country, to people of Jewish faith, to people of any faith: they deserve to live in our country unencumbered by racism, by prejudice or by attacks otherwise, and this parliament has and always will stand for those principles. We support the government in those endeavours.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Early Childhood Education</title>
          <page.no>70</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr KHALIL</name>
    <name.id>101351</name.id>
    <electorate>Wills</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Early Childhood Education. How is this Albanese Labor government building a strong and sustainable early childhood education workforce by investing in quality training and helping educators to build their skills?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr ALY</name>
    <name.id>13050</name.id>
    <electorate>Cowan</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Wills for his question. In this role I have the absolute privilege of getting to visit early childhood education centres, meeting with the wonderful, dedicated professionals who are educators and teachers and, most enjoyably, of course, meeting with the children at those centres. All of them are memorable, but the one that I visited with the member for Wills was particularly memorable. It was the Lake Park bilingual kindergarten in Coburg, where we sat with the children and heard a story read to us in Italian, a wonderful example of the benefits of early childhood education and care and the transformative nature that it has for the lives of children.</para>
<para>Of course, the member for Wills, as do all of us in the Albanese government, understands just how important access to good-quality early childhood education is, and that's why we delivered practical cost-of-living relief by making early childhood education and care more affordable for over 1.2 million families across Australia. I'm delighted to inform the House that, in the first week of these landmark reforms, families paid, on average, around 14 per cent less per hour per child for centre based care. That's directly due to the work of the Albanese Labor government in making early childhood education and care more affordable. Paying a triple dividend is good for children, it's good for families and it's good for the economy.</para>
<para>We also recognise that the key to ensuring access to quality early childhood education and care lies in a strong and sustainable workforce of educators. I'm pleased to inform the House that since the Albanese Labor government came to office there are over 14,000 new educators in the sector and 123,000 in training pathways, in no small part due to the efforts of this government through fee-free TAFE. Certificate III in early childhood education and care is the most popular fee-free TAFE course right across Australia. We're also delivering $72 million in a workforce package specifically targeted at ensuring educators have access to paid practicums and professional development, a direct outcome of the conversations I've had with early childhood educators across Australia.</para>
<para>The government is investing in the workforce that Australia needs to build a better future, and I congratulate Minister O'Connor for ensuring that the workforce needs for our critical education and care economy sectors are at the centre of art recently announced National Skills Agreement, a landmark agreement that will ensure that we are investing in Australia's future.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Western Australia: Gas</title>
          <page.no>70</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mrs MARINO</name>
    <name.id>HWP</name.id>
    <electorate>Forrest</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My questions is to the Prime Minister. Families in Western Australia are bracing for a price hike of 12 per cent for gas, as WA's major distributor is looking to increase charges by 39 per cent from early 2025. Why did the Prime Minister choose to focus on his divisive Canberra voice proposal and not on addressing Western Australia's already crippling gas prices?</para>
<para>Honourable members i nterjecting—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! When the House comes to order, the Prime Minister has the call.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
    <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>If I can understand the question from the member for Forrest—they managed to still get it into the question. Having asked every question about it, every day—not just before the referendum but also afterwards—they then come in here and ask the question, 'Why are you obsessed with it?' They asked nothing about the cost of living. They have a shadow Treasurer who doesn't know, I don't think, that this bloke here is the Treasurer, because he doesn't recognise competence and skills when he sees it. The opposition—</para>
<para>Honourable members interjecting—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Prime Minister will pause. The Treasurer and the shadow Treasurer are both on warnings. You won't be here; you can have it out outside. The Deputy Leader of the Opposition is on her feet for a point of order.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms Ley</name>
    <name.id>00AMN</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>A point of order on relevance. How can this possibly be relevant to the question that the member for Forrest asked about fuel prices in WA? And how can it possibly be relevant—</para>
<para>Honourable members interjecting—</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Prime Minister was asked a question about power prices, particularly regarding Western Australia, and the remainder of the question was about the referendum when other issues could have been focused on. So I'm going to listen carefully to the Prime Minister.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm certainly talking to the part of the question which said what is that we're concentrating our efforts on. We have been working on cost-of-living measures, including, I'm pleased to say, a Medicare urgent care clinic which is heading to Bunbury—out your way. That's one of them that is coming. I've no doubt you can organise a demo or something.</para>
<para>The member opposite voted against the measures that have put downward pressure when it comes to gas. They voted against it. They voted against it. They voted against cheaper child care, increased rent assistance, more Medicare bulk-billing, cheaper medicines, boosting income support payments, fee-free TAFE. They're against all of that, because their concentration on issues—they've asked, this year, one question about AUKUS or international or national security. Now, we're in a situation where we're in a globally uncertain world. They've asked zero questions about resources or critical minerals; nothing ever, in the entire term, about skills or TAFE; not a single question, this entire term, about manufacturing; not a single question about education, not one, the entire term; one question about wages; and nine questions about health—but 93 questions about the Voice or other matters; 93! I'll leave those who watch question time to decide who's obsessed.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Employment</title>
          <page.no>71</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms MASCARENHAS</name>
    <name.id>298800</name.id>
    <electorate>Swan</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Social Services. How is the Albanese Labor government delivering incentives to help more Australians take up work as one of the immediate actions of the employment white paper?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms RISHWORTH</name>
    <name.id>HWA</name.id>
    <electorate>Kingston</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like to thank the member for Swan for her question and the advocacy she provides in her electorate. Today I did introduce a bill to deliver on some of the immediate actions the government is taking to deliver on the objectives of our employment white paper. Since the Jobs and Skills Summit last year, and through the comprehensive employment white paper process led by our Treasurer, we have outlined a roadmap to how we'll achieve a vision to ensure everyone has the opportunity for secure, fairly paid work.</para>
<para>One of the focus areas of the white paper is about how we overcome barriers to employment and broaden opportunity. Last year we voted on a piece of legislation to temporarily boost the pensioner work bonus to support older Australians into more work if they choose. The legislation I introduced today will make these improvements to the work bonus permanent. It will give older Australians more choice and continued flexibility to participate in the workforce if they would like to. The improvements will mean all new pension entrants over age pension age will receive a $4,000 work bonus starting balance and an increase to the maximum work bonus income balance from $7,800 to $11,800—and this will be permanent. The changes will take effect from 1 July 2024, pending the passage of the legislation. This will ensure that there is no gap between the existing temporary measure and the commencement of the new ongoing provisions that we know are a positive incentive for older Australians.</para>
<para>This change has been endorsed by the CEO of the Council on the Ageing, Patricia Sparrow, who said, 'The incentive allows those who do wish to do more work to do so,' and she called these changes 'a great step forward'. Ian Henschke from National Seniors said, 'This puts more money into the pockets of working pensioners.'</para>
<para>Another immediate action this government is taking is smoothing the transition from income support to work by extending the employment income nil rate period for people on income support from 12 to 24 weeks and expanding access to those entering full-time employment. This measure is designed to address concerns that losing access to benefits, or having to reapply and wait for income support, acts as a discouragement to taking up work, particularly short-term and casual work.</para>
<para>These measures introduced today are practical measures to support people into work and are complemented by a range of other initiatives taken by my colleagues right across the board where this government is supporting Australians get secure, fairly paid work—and we will continue to do so.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Renewable Energy</title>
          <page.no>71</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SPENDER</name>
    <name.id>286042</name.id>
    <electorate>Wentworth</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Climate Change and Energy. Households are struggling with their power bills because of high fossil fuel prices. The best way to reduce these is by helping them electrify with cheaper renewable energy, but it's not easy, particularly for those who rent. In the US, the Inflation Reduction Act provides incentives of $14,000 to every household to electrify, and it's making a huge difference. Will the minister put households at the centre of Australia's response to the IRA, and will this include specific support for renters, like the measures I proposed recently?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BOWEN</name>
    <name.id>DZS</name.id>
    <electorate>McMahon</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I appreciate the question from the honourable member for Wentworth. Our response to the Biden administration's Inflation Reduction Act has and will focus on making things in Australia, because we believe Australia, as well as being a renewable energy superpower, can be a manufacturing power as well. We have no greater opportunity to make things in Australia, to re-enliven the Australian manufacturing industry and to create good jobs for Australian manufacturing workers, than renewable energy. Our initial response to the Inflation Reduction Act was our Hydrogen Headstart Program, with $2 billion. Just last week I opened expressions of interest in that, so we're making good progress. We've said we'll have more to say on that this year.</para>
<para>But the honourable member is right: more needs to be done to support renters, apartment dwellers and low-income dwellers in electrifying, in improving energy efficiency and in switching to renewables. That is right, and there are two elements of our policy we are already implementing which do just that. There is our social housing support, under our household energy savings plan and our solar banks policy. I'll give the House an update on both.</para>
<para>On solar banks: we have committed—and we took to the election—$100 million, and we are focusing efforts directly on apartment dwellers and renters. We have already announced agreements with Victoria, the Northern Territory and the ACT. This makes a big difference. For example, in Victoria we are providing up to $2,800 an apartment, or more than $100,000 an apartment block, to help with the transition to renewables. This will help around 5,000 apartments in Victoria. We'll have more announcements to make with other jurisdictions in coming weeks.</para>
<para>There is also social housing: as I've said before to the House, people who live in social housing deserve this support as well. Our social housing stock is well over 20 years old on average. These houses are often energy-inefficient and often don't include renewable energy. Our program of $300 million of support for social housing, announced in the budget, is already being rolled out, and we are requiring co-investments from the states and territories to drive that investment further. Hence, we're negotiating with the states and territories. We've already announced the deal with Victoria, and there'll be further announcements in coming weeks about other jurisdictions.</para>
<para>We'll continue to work, because the honourable member is correct. And other honourable members have been focused on this and have raised it with me as well: the need to support apartment dwellers in particular. The members for Macnamara, Reid and Bennelong, in particular, and the member for Wills have been raising these issues within the government as well—the need to provide more support. Because there are challenges for apartment dwellers and there are real challenges for renters, and we will ensure they are not left behind as we transition to cheaper renewable energy.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Health Care</title>
          <page.no>72</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>144732</name.id>
    <electorate>Canberra</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Health and Aged Care. How is the Albanese Labor government working for Australians to strengthen Medicare after a decade of cuts and neglect?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BUTLER</name>
    <name.id>HWK</name.id>
    <electorate>Hindmarsh</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Canberra for her question, and also for taking part in the announcement this morning of the inner-north Medicare Urgent Care Clinic. This will be one of five clinics across Canberra, which build on the ACT's highly successful nurse-led walk-in clinics, with additional services like nurse practitioner services; allied health professional services, like emergency physio; and access to imaging services to help with fractures and the like.</para>
<para>There are now 30 Medicare Urgent Care Clinics around Australia already open and operating. An additional 12 providers have been announced and all 58 will be open and operating by the end of the year. These clinics will be operating seven days a week—those open are already doing that—with extended hours. They're open to walk-in patients who need urgent care for non-life-threatening emergencies. In just a matter of weeks, those services that are open have seen about 50,000 patients; a third of them were kids under 15 and a third have been seen on weekends. Of those seen on weekdays, one in five has been seen after 6 pm. This is already making it easier to see a doctor when and where people need it and, importantly, also taking much needed pressure off our local hospital emergency departments. Importantly, every service is fully bulk-billed. For this side of the parliament, bulk-billing is the beating heart of Medicare. After 10 years of cuts and neglect to our Medicare system, we know bulk-billing has been in serious decline and gap fees have been rising. The member for Canberra knows that as well as anyone because, here in the ACT, we have some of the lowest rates of bulk-billing in the country.</para>
<para>None of this was an accident. The Liberal Party has never supported bulk-billing. Remember, John Howard called it 'an absolute rort'. The Leader of the Opposition, when he was health minister, complained that there were, in his words 'too many free Medicare services'. Well, he took care of that, famously trying to abolish bulk-billing altogether, making every single patient pay every single time they visited a doctor. When he couldn't get that through the Senate, instead, he started a six-year-long freeze of the Medicare rebate. Our approach could not be more different. The centrepiece of our budget delivered by this Treasurer in May was the biggest investment in bulk-billing in the 40-year history of Medicare. Tripling the bulk-billing incentive is a measure that takes effect in just two weeks time, making it easier for 11 million Australians to see a doctor free of charge. That's working for Australia to strengthen Medicare.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Albanese</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr Speaker, I ask that further questions be placed on the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline>.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>CONDOLENCES</title>
        <page.no>73</page.no>
        <type>CONDOLENCES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Mainey, Mr Richard</title>
          <page.no>73</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr ALBANESE</name>
    <name.id>R36</name.id>
    <electorate>Grayndler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>on indulgence—My thoughts and, I'm sure, the thoughts of all members of the House are with the family, friends and community of Mr Richard Mainey, who has passed away in Temagog. That's a place on the North Coast, and so the member for Cowper left parliament yesterday to be with his local community. This is a man who has unfortunately died trying to save his family farm from bushfires. We know that this spring and summer is going to be incredibly difficult for a number of our communities and may bring back memories of the awful Black Summer bushfires. That is why we recently hosted Australia's first ever National Disaster Preparedness Summit to prepare for the coming higher-risk weather season. We are concerned about what is approaching, and the National Emergency Management Agency is working with state and territory counterparts and local communities. Again, I urge all residents to listen to authorities and seek help if needed. The federal government will continue to work with all jurisdictions. I pay tribute as well to the extraordinary formal personnel, whose job it is, and also all those volunteers, who just do extraordinary work at this time. To Mr Mainey's family, friends, and community, we pay our deepest respects and our condolences at this very sad loss.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr DUTTON</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
    <electorate>Dickson</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>on indulgence—On behalf of the coalition, we send our condolences to Mr Mainey's family and to his community. As the Prime Minister rightly points out, each bushfire season brings with it a new threat and the effort of individuals to protect their own property and driving machinery. Whether it's from being a part of a local rural fire brigade or part of a local SES, there is an inherent danger in adverse conditions, particularly given the urgency of the task undertaken and as the threat level elevates. In this terrible circumstance, a brave man has lost his life. We send our condolences to that community and also our best wishes to those who are seeking to contain the fires and the first responders who have the task, as we quite often remind ourselves in this chamber, of rushing toward danger when most other Australians are rushing the other way, from it. That is a particular skill that we should recognise and a level of bravery and decency that makes us the greatest country in the world. We should stop, pause and remember that in the run-up to the bushfire season this year and remember those who are facing a threat, as we speak, at this very moment.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>STATEMENTS</title>
        <page.no>73</page.no>
        <type>STATEMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Personal Explanation</title>
          <page.no>73</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr DUTTON</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
    <electorate>Dickson</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr Speaker, I seek leave to make a personal explanation.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Do you claim to be misrepresented?</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr DUTTON</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Most grievously, Mr Speaker.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You may proceed.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr DUTTON</name>
    <name.id>00AKI</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>During the course of question time today there were many and varied misrepresentations of me made by the government, and by the Prime Minister in particular. All of that's part of the hustle and bustle of this chamber. But there's nothing more egregious that the Prime Minister said during question time than to cast an aspersion on comments I made in relation to a great Australian, Yunupingu. Last Tuesday in Adelaide I said the following, and these are the remarks that the Prime Minister made reference to:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I think there's also an important point to make that in many Indigenous communities, East Arnhem Land for example, they've got a 90 per cent attendance rate at school, they've got a logging company, they've got a building company, they've got housing, they've got a functioning society, and in that instance it's because of the leadership demonstrated by Yunupingu and others around him over the course of a long period, and that's what we want to see replicated elsewhere.</para></quote>
<para>That was the extent of my comment in relation to Mr Yunupingu. For the Prime Minister to misrepresent that today in a way that suggested that I had dishonoured Mr Yunupingu or said something in a derogatory way in relation to Mr Yunupingu reflects more on the Prime Minister, frankly, than it does on me.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS TO THE SPEAKER</title>
        <page.no>74</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS TO THE SPEAKER</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Aluminium</title>
          <page.no>74</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr TEHAN</name>
    <name.id>210911</name.id>
    <electorate>Wannon</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have a question of you, Mr Speaker, where you might be able to assist. During question time, the Minister for Defence Industry misled the House. He said that aluminium rusts. That is just not true. I have an aluminium smelter in my electorate. I think that it would help the House—and I don't want to take it any further than necessary—if he could come back and correct the record that aluminium doesn't actually rust.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll take that as a comment. I'm sure the minister will avail himself of your comments. I thank the member.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>74</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Department of Parliamentary Services</title>
          <page.no>74</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Presentation</title>
            <page.no>74</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Pursuant to section 65 of the Parliamentary Service Act 1999, I present the annual report of the Department of Parliamentary Services for 2022-23. I also present a corrigendum relating to table 50 in the 2022-23 annual report of the Department of Parliamentary Services.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>74</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Presentation</title>
          <page.no>74</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BUTLER</name>
    <name.id>HWK</name.id>
    <electorate>Hindmarsh</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Documents are tabled in accordance with the list circulated to honourable members earlier today. Full details of the documents will be recorded in the <inline font-style="italic">Votes and Proceedings</inline>.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MATTERS OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE</title>
        <page.no>74</page.no>
        <type>MATTERS OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Labor Government</title>
          <page.no>74</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>53517</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I've received a letter from the honourable member for Hume proposing that a definite matter of public importance be submitted to the House for discussion, namely:</para>
<quote><para class="block">A weak and incompetent Prime Minister who has failed to deliver cost of living relief for the Australian people.</para></quote>
<para>I call upon those honourable members who approve of the proposed discussion to rise in their places.</para>
<para> <inline font-style="italic">More than the number of members required by the standing orders having risen in their pla</inline> <inline font-style="italic">ces—</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr TAYLOR</name>
    <name.id>231027</name.id>
    <electorate>Hume</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As every member of this place should know, Australians are facing a raging cost-of-living crisis right now. It's at times like these that they need a government they can rely on. They need a Prime Minister who is going to deliver results. They need a leader they can trust. They want to have a government and a Prime Minister that has their back and that treats their priorities as his priorities and as the government's priorities—getting that raging cost-of-living crisis under control.</para>
<para>Before the election that's how the Prime Minister positioned himself and the Labor Party. Unfortunately, Australians were sold a pup because, before the election, they were promised that their electricity bills were going to go down by $275. It's October and, sadly, for many Australians that's when they receive their quarterly electricity bills. I'll tell you what: they're not seeing a $275 reduction. They're not seeing a government that has their back. They're not seeing a Prime Minister they can trust. They are not seeing a government that has their priorities as their first priorities. Before the election, the Prime Minister promised cheaper mortgages. A typical Australian family with a mortgage is paying an extra $22,000 a year in mortgage payments, and there's no end in sight. In fact, even in the last 24 hours, the Reserve Bank governor has said there is still pain in the pipeline. Many Australian families are going from variable rates to fixed rates, over 800,000 this year alone, and there'll be more next year.</para>
<para>We know that capital markets, bond markets, are telling us that the long-term interest rate is to be over 4.6 per cent. That's higher than the current cash rate. There is no end in sight to interest rates that are high and hurting every single Australian family with a mortgage, and small businesses because so many of them have debt, as well.</para>
<para>We saw before the election that this government and this Prime Minister promised higher real wages. Sadly, we have seen the exact opposite. We know from the employee living cost index that a typical Australian family, a working family, have seen their cost of living in the last 12 months rise by over nine per cent, and their wages have only risen, in nominal terms, by about a third of that. Prices are rising three times their wages. That's real wages going down.</para>
<para>The Prime Minister doesn't understand this. He has no comprehension of basic economics—none whatsoever. He does not understand that, when real wages go down, your wages buy less. You've got fewer goods and services you can buy. But he doesn't get it. And families are hurting. They are hurting right across this great country. They're paying more for their groceries, more for their fuel—over $2 a litre for fuel—and more for their gas. We heard that in WA we're seeing sharp increases in gas prices. The Prime Minister doesn't even understand that his ham-fisted intervention doesn't even include Western Australia. He's never across the detail. He's never across the facts. He never understands what counts for middle Australia. He has no idea whatsoever.</para>
<para>Australians are stoic people, and they are making difficult decisions at this time. They are making decisions to work extra hours and to not drop their kids off at school the way they normally would because they have to work extra hours. They're taking on a second job. We're seeing a sharp increase in the number of Australians who are working a second job. They're putting off going to the doctor, they're allowing their insurance policies to lapse and they're not taking the annual family holiday. As we approach Christmas, they will spend less on their kids. They're buying fewer fruit and vegetables. New mums are having to go back to work sooner than they'd like to, in order to make ends meet in their household.</para>
<para>At a time like this, as I said, we would expect a government to treat this issue, this cost-of-living crisis, as its first, second and third priority. But the Prime Minister has spent the year distracted, so much so that we read this in the <inline font-style="italic">Australian</inline> newspaper, just in the last 24 hours:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… senior ministers who had developed economic, national security and social policies and strategies were instructed to put them on ice until after the referendum.</para></quote>
<para>This is a prime minister who claims he wasn't distracted, but we know he was. It was all he talked about for months on end. He didn't cry about the cost-of-living crisis facing middle Australia; he focused on a completely different issue, which we all understand was his absolute obsession. Australians told him on Saturday what they thought about his obsession. They made their views on this very, very clear.</para>
<para>At a time like this, there is a great deal that government can do to address a cost-of-living crisis. In energy policy, they can focus on driving down energy prices by pumping more gas into the system and by opening up the energy system to all possible technologies. They can get serious about policies that can drive down prices and not continue to focus on policies that are pushing them up. We can see a government that is focused not on competition policy but on no-competition policy. We've seen them in recent months knock competitors out of the marketplace, knock Qatar Airways out of the marketplace because of their mates in Qantas, and every Australian has to pay a price for that crony capitalism. We've seen industrial relations policies that are about their union mates, about union officials, and not about middle Australia, not about making sure we've got workplaces where employers and employees can work together to drive up real wages and productivity simultaneously. We have a productivity crisis in this country. We have never seen anything like the Labor productivity collapse we've in the last five-quarters. It has never happened before, and you simply can't get real wages up under those circumstances.</para>
<para>Meanwhile, typical Australians have paid 15 per cent more in the last 12 months in tax. Before the election, this government promised that there would be no new taxes. But what we see is a government that is bringing in superannuation taxes; that is going after franking credits, having promised it wouldn't; that is allowing inflation to drive up income taxes for all Australians. As their incomes—their nominal incomes, not their real incomes—go up into higher brackets, they're paying higher tax. Even this week we saw the government bring legislation into this House which will reduce accelerated depreciation for small businesses. These are hardworking Australians.</para>
<para>These are hardworking Australians, small-business owners all over this great country who have appreciated the government in the past—not now, in the past—that said, 'When you buy a ute, when you buy a piece of equipment that will make your business more productive, it is fair that you should be able to accelerate the depreciation.' It is a great initiative that not only encourages them to invest in pieces of equipment that drive growth in the economy but increases their productivity—and at the same time it takes out red tape. But those opposite have said they don't like that. They're going to scale it back, and every small business in this country will pay a price for that.</para>
<para>In workforce policy, they've made all the wrong moves. They've made ham-fisted attempts to get more older Australians into the marketplace. We have laid out policies that can address that. But, again, they've failed to pursue those.</para>
<para>We have a weak and incompetent Prime Minister who has been obsessed with all the wrong issues. He's failed to deliver on the cost-of-living relief that all Australians want to see because he has had the wrong priorities. He has been distracted.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr LEIGH</name>
    <name.id>BU8</name.id>
    <electorate>Fenner</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Today's matter of public importance is on the cost of living, and I could take the House through some of the statistics that reflect what the Albanese government is doing to tackle the effect in Australia of the global cost-of-living crisis. But instead I want to start by talking about some of the stories of ordinary Australians whose lives have benefited from cost-of-living measures that the Albanese government has put into place.</para>
<para>Our cheaper childcare measures were welcomed by Blanca Ramirez, a woman in Canberra whose daughter, Paloma, is at daycare. As a result of the increase to the childcare subsidy, Blanca has moved to working four days a week. That ensures that her productivity is up, that their household budget is improved and that Paloma has a little bit more support. As Blanca puts it, 'I can run around and I'm not like dead tired after work.' There are 1.2 million families across Australia benefiting from Labor's cheaper childcare measures.</para>
<para>And then there's Mia, who moved to Canberra from regional New South Wales. She's 20 years old and was working as a casual hospitality worker. Mia wanted to become a teacher but couldn't afford the fees to get the qualification to get started. Thanks to the Albanese government's support for fee-free TAFE, she's completed a course called Introduction to Education Support, and she's now been able to start her career as a teacher's assistant. I wish Mia all the best in her career. This is another cost-of-living measure, one that is helping Mia make a bigger contribution to the Australian economy.</para>
<para>Then there's Melanie, in my electorate of Fenner. Melanie is a single mum who's moved into a new home with her eight-year-old son. She has benefitted from the School Student Broadband Initiative, an initiative that connects households at risk with fee-free broadband in order to ensure that those families have access to the internet, which is so crucial for staying in touch with friends and family and for students being able to participate in education. There is Lauree, a woman from Tasmania who had been homeless for two years before she had access to social housing. There is Sean who was under housing stress and therefore couldn't get the surgery he needed because doctors said he had nowhere safe to be discharged to. As a result of Sean getting a social housing place, he was then able to get the operation he needs.</para>
<para>Many Australians have benefited from our health policies. There are over 40,000 Australians who have taken advantage of our urgent care centres. In Tasmania, Tracey, a First Nations woman, attended the Launceston Medicare urgent care clinic in early October with deep lacerations and punctures to her foot. She was seen within 30 minutes. Her wounds were cleaned and repaired. There is Melissa in New South Wales, whose daughter was injured playing soccer, and Melissa thought it might have been a fracture. She knew how long the wait times can be in emergency departments, so she took her daughter to the Penrith Medicare urgent care clinic where she seen, X-rayed—thankfully there was no fracture—and provided with a CAM boot.</para>
<para>Then there are the benefits of our cheaper medicines policy, our policy which ensures that Australians can get two months worth of medicine for the previous price of one month. Jonathan Smithers, the CEO of Arthritis Australia, is a 61-year-old from Sydney. He takes two medicines for his blood pressure and cholesterol, irbesartan and rosuvastatin. He said that, as a result of the government's measures, he will only need to see his doctor once a year rather than twice, and he will save at least $360 a year on the cost of his medicines alone.</para>
<para>The benefits to the community of Labor's health policies are remarkable. Last year we made the largest investment in bulkbilling in the 40-year history of Medicare, tripling the incentives that doctors get to bulkbill pensioners, children and other concession cardholders. That benefits some five million children and their families and some seven million pensioners and other concession cardholders. But that is just one of our cost-of-living health measures. In July last year we lowered the PBS safety net threshold by 25 per cent, meaning that pensioners and other concession cardholders will pay just $5 a week on average for their yearly PBS medicines. We have reduced the maximum copayment on the PBS to $30, the largest reduction in the 75-year history of the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. I'm pleased that the Minister for Health and Aged Care has returned to the chamber so that he can hear me praising his cost-of-living policies. On the cheaper medicines, two prescriptions for the price of one, just in the first month of the policy some 200,000 prescriptions had been issued, and once fully implemented some six million Australians will benefit. Patients with a heart condition, Crohn's disease, high cholesterol, osteoporosis, high blood pressure and many other conditions will save up to $180 per year per medicine.</para>
<para>This morning it was a pleasure to visit the urgent care centre in Weston Creek. We were shown around the centre by clinical nurse manager Ashleigh Wilson, and Chief Minister Andrew Barr, my colleagues David Smith, the member for Bean, Alicia Payne, the member for Canberra, Senator Katy Gallagher and the Assistant Minister For Health and Aged Care, Ged Kearney, heard about the benefits to Canberrans of the federal government expanding the urgent care clinics.</para>
<para>Now, the opposition seem to think that their only job is to oppose. They don't realise that the opportunity of opposition is to be able to think about the needs of the nation and to produce policies that will deliver. Many of the cost-of-living policies that I've talked about came out of our time in opposition. Let me go through some of the measures in the then Leader of the Opposition's first two budget replies: removing the cap on the childcare subsidy, improving TAFE funding, ensuring that one in 10 workers on government funded sites would be apprentices or trainees, onshore manufacturing for defence and rail, net zero by 2050 and Rewiring the Nation, investing in social housing, an Australian centre for disease control, a national anticorruption commission, the Housing Australia Future Fund, new energy apprenticeships, criminalising wage theft, legislating an obligation on employers to keep their employees safe from discrimination and harassment, and creating a mentoring program for 2,000 young innovators to start a business straight out of university. These are the measures in the now Prime Minister's first two budget replies.</para>
<para>The Leader of the Opposition has also had two budget replies. What did we see out of them? Nothing. The only idea for the cost of living that we heard from the Leader of the Opposition in his first two budget replies was that Australia should fund nuclear power. As the Minister for Climate Change and Energy has pointed out, 'If they think they can deliver a nuclear power station for $1 billion, throw in the Opera House and the Harbour Bridge.' Nuclear power is too slow, too expensive, too out of sync with the competitive advantages in Australia. The fact is that the only energy policy that those opposite have is a policy which could not be delivered for a decade at a minimum—a policy which has been rejected by all the experts. The most expensive form of energy is that which is being favoured by those on the other side.</para>
<para>The job of the opposition is to stop opposing everything—to stop standing in the way of wage increases, to stop trying to block our energy relief package for households and small businesses, to stop being out there just saying no for the sake of no. It's no coincidence that next to the Leader of the Opposition's office is a John Brack painting with the word 'no' on it. The Leader of the Opposition must see it every day when he walks out of his office and must just think that his job is to be a nattering nabob of negativity.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr HOWARTH</name>
    <name.id>247742</name.id>
    <electorate>Petrie</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>That speech by assistant minister was pretty pathetic. Honestly, do you not listen to the Leader of the Opposition's speeches at all? He's got a lot of great policy. What we here are saying is that the Prime Minister is weak and incompetent—absolutely weak and incompetent. The Prime Minister has failed to deliver cost-of-living relief for the Australian people. It just astounds me that the Labor Party is so out of touch with the people whom we're meant to represent and the cost-of-living crisis that they're going through now. With everyday costs suffocating them day to day, Australians are crying out for some relief. But the truth is that their cries are falling on deaf ears. They will go unanswered. There is no relief coming for Australians under this Labor government. As one constituent said recently, never in our history have we had such an incompetent leader representing Australians. That might be a bit harsh, but that's what they're thinking.</para>
<para>Didn't the Prime Minister say that life would be easier under him? I guess that's just another broken promise under the Albanese Labor government. Australians are struggling. The government are out of touch with the issues that are currently hitting hard and they have no answers. The best we have had from the assistant minister, I think, would be child care, which is going some way towards helping working families with children. The reality is that a lot of childcare costs have actually gone up, so there's nothing. There's no relief coming. Instead, he's been focused for the past 18 months on this referendum, which is a failed vanity project, right in the middle of when Australians have been experiencing this cost of living. The opposition have raised that. As he correctly said in parliament today, they have asked 90 questions or something on it and have received very little in answer.</para>
<para>As a result, he's let down the Australian people and he's let down Aboriginal people—$450 million wasted on that referendum. In Barton, the Minister for Indigenous Australian's seat, 57 per cent voted no. How do you think she feels, with that sort of leadership from this Prime Minister? In Hasluck, the former minister's seat, 66 per cent voted no. In Gilmore, 62 per cent voted no. In Bendigo, 60 per cent voted no. I'll keep going. In Parramatta—he's over there—55 per cent voted no. In Hinkler, 80 per cent voted no. It was a complete waste of money. I won't talk about Blair; Queensland was a disaster. But the reality is that not one state got up, and this government has spent a year and a half focusing on this and not listening to Australians about the cost of living.</para>
<para>The fact is that, from groceries to petrol to health care, minister, to rent and housing, everything is going up. It's just not good enough. If you look at rent and housing, Peter said to me:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I'm 71 years old & have been an amputee for 43 years. Life has been tough for me … my rent increased—</para></quote>
<para>under this government—</para>
<quote><para class="block">from $296 per week to $480 per week … that increase is really hurting me—</para></quote>
<para>I'm sorry, Peter—</para>
<quote><para class="block">Not only do I suffer physically every day, but financially also. Is there any chance down the track, that the people in charge of such decisions will look into it & perhaps give old farts like me a financial break.</para></quote>
<para>Those are the words that he said to me.</para>
<para>The reality is that rent is increasing because interest rates are increasing under Treasurer Chalmers. There have been 12 interest rate rises. The fact is that housing has doubled. If you're paying off a house, no matter what you're earning if you're working in this country, your housing costs have doubled, and then, of course, rents have doubled. The assistant minister spoke about social housing or some sort of housing package, but homelessness has increased under the Albanese Labor government. It's gone up. It's gone through the roof. In 2021 homelessness fell in three acute areas, and under this government it's going up. That's because they're only focused on social housing and giving to the states. They're not focused on the private sector. The fact is that we've got a housing crisis now because working families' cost of living is going through the roof, and they're running from investing in the private sector when 90 per cent of housing in this country is in the private sector.</para>
<para>Under the Albanese Labor government, you won't get relief. You will not get relief until a coalition government returns. In groceries, 'It is becoming increasingly difficult to provide a fresh, healthy diet for my family,' says Damien from Aspley, 'let alone support local Australian farmers and producers.' It's just terrible under this government. The reality is that the shadow Treasurer is right: the Prime Minister is incompetent, and he's failing people.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr NEUMANN</name>
    <name.id>HVO</name.id>
    <electorate>Blair</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This matter of public importance is so important to the opposition that they've got four people in the chamber. The actual mover of the motion, the shadow Treasurer, hasn't got the grace to stay here to listen to the speeches of his own side, let alone of the government. That's why it's so important. And the previous speaker, the member Petrie, spent half the time talking about the referendum and not about the cost of living. But, if you listen to the shadow Treasurer, his answer to the cost-of-living issues, which are really affecting Australians, is nuclear power and attack the trade unions. Those were the two things he talked about to relieve cost-of-living pressures.</para>
<para>The reality is that this particular government is doing everything it possibly can to improve the lives of Australian people, and those opposite keep voting against it in this place. They've got political amnesia. They keep forgetting the votes that they cast in this place. Again and again they vote no to cost-of-living relief. Honestly, when it comes to the legislation that we're bringing to this place, those opposite keep forgetting. When it came to electricity price relief, they sat there all afternoon and voted no again and again. When it came to cheaper child care, they opposed it. They voted no. They didn't support it either. When it came to increased rent assistance, they opposed it. When it came to more Medicare bulk-billing, they said it was a waste of money and they opposed it. When it came to cheaper medicines, the 60-day scripts, they opposed it. When it came to fee-free TAFE, they opposed that again. They opposed again and again all the efforts we've made to help people.</para>
<para>They opposed affordable housing. They opposed the Housing Australia Future Fund. They opposed, once again, expanding paid parental leave. They also opposed creating jobs and getting wages moving. Remember when the Prime Minister, then the opposition leader, had a dollar coin in his hand? They thought the economy would collapse if you increased the minimum wage. They opposed extra wages for those working in the aged-care sector. They opposed extra wages for those working in the childcare sector. And then they come into this place and move this motion.</para>
<para>Honestly, it is completely at odds with their own actions. I thought their parents would have taught them something: actually, you do what you say you're going to do. That's what we're doing. Those opposite say one thing and do another. Again, again and again they've voted against it. The political amnesia of the coalition—they also forget that they were in government for about nine years, nearly 10 years. They've forgotten that. All of a sudden, everything that they did over here is something in political history that happened at the turn of the last century, or the century before that. They keep forgetting about it.</para>
<para>What about energy price relief and the 22 policies they tried to land? Some of those things, like the NEG, didn't last from the party room to question time. That's how hopeless they were when it came to that. All of a sudden the answer is nuclear. I'll look forward to putting a nuclear power plant at Redcliffe, for the member for Petrie—he must think that's a good idea—or on the Brisbane River or the Bremer River. How about we put it at Wivenhoe Dam, if you believe in nuclear power? I bet you won't do that. You will not do that, because it's all about what you say and not what you do.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>248181</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Member for Petrie, you'll be asked to leave if you do not stop interjecting.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr NEUMANN</name>
    <name.id>HVO</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I look forward to those opposite campaigning in South-East Queensland on nuclear power. I look forward to them saying, 'We'll put it near Bulimba,' or, 'We'll put it near Griffith.' How about we put a nuclear power plant near the federal electorate of Ryan? That's what they're going to be arguing at the next election, because of course that will relieve the power prices for the people of Brisbane and surrounds—not passing legislation like we did last year. Honestly, I thought they had political smarts. I thought they were pretty intelligent, those opposite, from time to time. I didn't always agree with them, but I thought sometimes they got it right. But to come into this place, vote against energy price relief and then move a motion like this today—it's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous.</para>
<para>And how about you turn up? I think MPIs for those opposite are a waste of time because they treat it with complete disdain. The mover doesn't even stay here. The shadow Treasurer won't ask questions of the Treasurer, and the mover, the shadow Treasurer, won't even stay. Look at the front bench there—no-one with the member for Petrie. Not one single person has turned up for those opposite. That's how much they respect cost-of-living pressures on people of Australia.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr PITT</name>
    <name.id>148150</name.id>
    <electorate>Hinkler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The member for Blair's biggest complaint is that there aren't enough people on the opposition side, but we don't need more than four to put you to bed, Sunshine, I can tell you! In fact, this is an overkill; four is too many—far too many.</para>
<para>Coming to the MPI: what we know is there a very few tradespeople on that side. The member for Hunter is here, and I acknowledge that, as he's a former fitter and turner, there is at least one on that side of the parliament; I'm not sure about the others. I want to use an analogy. When it comes to the cost of living in this country, the people of Australia are in the iron vice. They are between the iron jaws—and this is a piece of apparatus where you turn the screw and the vice gets tighter—and they are getting absolutely screwed by the cost of living, and it is because of the policies of those opposite. This is a multi-jaw vice; it is coming from every single direction. They are paying more in interest rates—increases from those opposite. They're paying more for food because of the policies of those opposite. Inflation continues to increase, which drives up the cost of pretty much everything. In every single direction, they are getting more pressure in terms of their cost of living.</para>
<para>I did a piece in a Sky interview where I spoke about the impact of the increases in electricity prices under this government and the impact that would have on the individual who is trying to cook their steak of a night time. I've got to tell you that I got a lot of complaints about the fact that I spoke about steak. People came to me and said: 'We can't afford to buy steak. We are buying party pies and sausage rolls because the cost of living is so high we can't afford to buy food of that quality.' We get it. We understand what is happening to the Australian people.</para>
<para>If you look at the policies of those opposite that are screwing the vice even tighter, they are around energy prices; they are around fuel. We have seen those opposite, this government, spend an additional $188 billion in their budgets—$188 billion. And what's the impact we've seen? They've also increased the heavy-vehicle road user charge. Every single vehicle owner in this country who was eligible for much better rebates on their diesel has seen that increase, and it will continue to increase. What does that do? It puts up the cost of transport, the cost of logistics and the cost of the delivery of the food that these individuals need. This is one of the reasons that the policies of this government continue to impact every single Australian. They are in the vice grip of the cost of living, and it's getting tighter and tighter and tighter.</para>
<para>What do we see in the media this week? We see a prelim of Melbourne Cup day, and not in a good way. We see commentary that the Reserve Bank is likely to increase interest rates once again—again. Every single Australian with a mortgage is now paying more under this Labor government. Every single Australian is paying more for their food. Every single Australian is paying more for transport and logistics.</para>
<para>We see things that have impacts even on the social side. We see the closure of aged-care facilities. We see individuals come into this place and talk up Labor policies, but what I'm seeing is the closure of an aged-care centre in my region. It's been announced for the end of the year.</para>
<para>I'm pleased that the Minister for Health and Aged Care is in the chamber, because the first government speaker, the member for Fenner, spoke a lot about urgent care clinics and the great service that's being provided in a number of places. This federal Labor government committed to an urgent care clinic in Bundaberg being in place from 1 July this year. I'm quite confident that, if I look at the date today in the calendar, we have gone past 1 July. So I say to the minister for health: where is the urgent care clinic in Bundaberg? When will it be delivered for the people of Bundaberg and regions? When will they get their opportunity? It's great for others, and I'm very pleased that they have that opportunity, but it has not been delivered for the people I represent. It is yet another broken commitment from those opposite. They continue to break their promises, whether it is on electricity prices, urgent care clinics or the cost of transport and fuel.</para>
<para>Every single Australian is suffering because of the focus of this Prime Minister and this federal government on the weekend's referendum for a very long period of time. While the government continues to be distracted, the Australian people will pay. While the government continues to be distracted by other issues, the Australian people will have increases in their cost of living. Who can forget the Prime Minister, when he was running for the job he is currently in, waving around a $1 coin? That $1 coin is now worth far less under this federal Labor government because real costs have increased and real wages have gone backwards, and it is the policies of this government that are screwing the vice tighter on the cost of living.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms RYAN</name>
    <name.id>249224</name.id>
    <electorate>Lalor</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to join my colleagues in responding to this matter of public importance today put before the House by the shadow Treasurer, as I watch the numbers of those opposite be depleted again as another member leaves the chamber after their five-minute contribution. I would like to raise, too, the fact that this is the same MPI that we have been doing for 17 months, day in, day out. The people on this side of the House understand the impacts that inflation is having on our communities. That's why we've been taking action. That's why this government has been delivering $23 billion of support, targeted to where it's needed most.</para>
<para>I'd just say to the previous speaker, the member for Hinkler, that an urgent care clinic for Bundaberg is a fabulous idea. It's a pity you didn't have that idea in your 9½ years in government, because that is one of the answers in my community. My community is home to an urgent care clinic, and in Victoria we've already had 30,000 presentations to urgent care clinics across the state. The House might be interested to know that nearly a third of those patients have been under 15 years old, nearly a third of visits have taken place on weekends and more than one in five visits have taken place after 6 pm on weekdays. Obviously, the design of the Urgent Care Clinic is to make up for 10 years of neglect and undermining of the Medicare system that saw 30 per cent of GPs leave my electorate when those opposite took away our priority area status. We lost 30 per cent of GPs in my booming electorate, which has gone up by another 11,000 people since May 2022—another 11,000 people registered to vote in my electorate in that time. But those opposite took away the priority status from my area. We lost 30 per cent of our doctors. They're very quiet over there now—very quiet! That's 30 per cent of doctors no longer in my electorate. That means that the surgeries which were doing longer hours are gone. Surgeries operating on weekends are gone. An Urgent Care Clinic in my electorate is making sure that people can access a doctor and not wait for seven or eight hours at an emergency department. This is critical.</para>
<para>That's the list of things that we're doing, and that's because we're fully aware of how hard people are doing it at the moment. I represent a mortgage belt; I represent people with mortgages and I know how hard they're doing it. That's why I am so pleased that 8,000 families in my electorate are paying 14 per cent less per hour for child care for every hour their children are in child care. I visited a childcare centre two weeks ago with the member for Cowan, the Minister for Early Childhood Education. I heard this firsthand from the owner-operator of that childcare centre—a small business—who said to me that their occupancy rates have gone up to 92 per cent because mothers in that community were working. Guess what? Just as predicted, they were working two more days a week. So those families were in a better position; their family budgets are working better because of the actions of this government.</para>
<para>Those opposite want to come in here every day and exploit the inflationary position that we're in globally and suggest that this government is distracted. We are not distracted! Let's go through the list: cheaper child care—there it is at No. 1. There are Urgent Care Clinics; increased rent assistance; more Medicare bulk-billing; and cheaper medicines. They opposed cheaper medicines. We have boosted income support payments for those doing it tough the most. We have introduced Fee-Free TAFE training, and the subscriptions are so high that we have had to increase the number of places. We heard today in question time about the extraordinary number of those places which are going to people, like the young people in my electorate, doing early childhood education. We are building more affordable homes, we're expanding paid parental leave and, most importantly, we're doing what we said we would do, which is get wages moving.</para>
<para>And for the aged-care workers in my electorate, when I meet with them they tell me they're very pleased to be in receipt of a 15 per cent pay rise and very pleased that their wages have gone up—as is everybody on the minimum wage in my electorate.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BIRRELL</name>
    <name.id>288713</name.id>
    <electorate>Nicholls</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We are in a cost-of-living crisis, and the Prime Minister has been distracted. I think that's pretty obvious. When governments put in business-unfriendly policies—that is, when they make it harder to do business in this nation—then the costs go up. And when the costs go up, those costs are passed on to consumers and the cost-of-living crisis gets worse. It's a supply-and-demand truism. It's one of those sort of scientific propositions that's hard to argue with—a bit like the fact that aluminium doesn't rust!</para>
<para>The Prime Minister is allowing some ministers to do some things that are damaging business and damaging the economy. That's what I am hearing in my electorate. One example is energy policy. Less exploration for gas means less gas and higher costs. If you don't have as much of something then the cost of what's left goes up. When businesses have to use that then they pass the costs on to the consumer. That's the cost of living. I got a lower electricity bill recently—and many of my constituents did that too. It's because we put on rooftop solar. I did that under the previous coalition government, so people can't come in here and say that nothing happened in the past nine years. A lot of rooftop solar went on. That saved a lot of people's electricity costs, and it reduced emissions by a lot. I saw the previous government do a lot in that area.</para>
<para>In industrial relations, again, it's a confusing, complex system that the minister is proposing to put in. Businesses are telling me that they're going to have to put on more people and they're going to have to pay more. They're going to have more bureaucracy, less productivity and more red tape, leading to a higher cost of doing business. What are they going to do? They're going to pass that on to the consumer, and the cost-of-living crisis is going to get worse.</para>
<para>These are things that are in the pipeline now, but you ain't seen anything yet. You know that song from the seventies, 'You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet'? It's by Bachman-Turner Overdrive. Well, 'Business Destruction Overdrive' is the name of the government's band! You ain't seen nothing yet. Here's something you're going to regret. We are going to regret the dreadful policy around the Murray-Darling Basin Plan that passed this place—the worst stuff I've ever seen a parliament do—because, if you take something away from business, there'll be less of it, the cost of their inputs is going to go up, and they're going to have to pass that on.</para>
<para>There are things that we can choose to buy, but there are things that we have to buy, and we have to buy food. If you take away Australia's ability to grow food, and a lot of it is grown in my electorate—apples, peaches, milk, cheese—if you take away Australian farmers' ability to grow that because you wreck the business model by pushing one of the inputs too high then when Australians who don't live in my electorate go into the supermarket and have a look around at the fresh produce the prices are going to be up, or, even worse, the produce is going to be imported from another country. People might say: 'That's alright. Maybe it'll be a bit cheaper.' Yes, but it will put everyone in my electorate out of a job. So how do you think the cost-of-living crisis is going to go when they don't have a job?</para>
<para>Seriously, if you want to approach the cost-of-living crisis, let businesses operate productively. We've seen them do it before. It's what this country was built on. It's what my electorate was built on. People have been coming from all over the world to put some capital in and have a serious crack at creating a business. The best governments have got out of their way and said, 'We'll put a framework in, but we reckon you, the private sector, know how to operate a really productive, globally competitive business that supplies great things to people here in Australia at a reasonable cost.' But, no, this government are saying, 'We're going to make it harder for you to do business. We're going to increase your costs of doing business,' and therefore what's going to happen? The cost of business will go up, the prices of the things that they're selling to us will go up, and the cost-of-living crisis will get worse.</para>
<para>In this parliament we talk about child care and all sorts of stuff—and that's good—but let's focus on letting business do business.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr GEORGANAS</name>
    <name.id>DZY</name.id>
    <electorate>Adelaide</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It gives me great pleasure to rise here today and speak on this MPI, in which those opposite label the Prime Minister 'weak and incompetent'. When you think about it, we should be turning the tables and pointing the finger at them. If we look at the past decade, we see weakness and incompetence. The opposition, which was in government then, will go down in history as being one of the governments that illegally extracted money from the poorest of the poor, through robodebt. If you want to talk about incompetence, they were warned about robodebt, they were told about it, but they would not budge. They were quite happy to extract billions of dollars from everyday Australians illegally, as it was described by the judge. That's incompetence. That's absolute incompetence.</para>
<para>If you want to talk about what we're doing, from day one the Prime Minister's goal has been to ease cost-of-living pressures, to ease the hardship that Australians go through every day. When we debated in this place to increase wages, those opposite opposed it. We saw that. Every time we have brought legislation in this place to ease the cost of living, they've opposed it. Remember the electricity debate that we had towards the end of last year. They opposed it. When they left government, the budget was in a very weak position. We were in a deficit. Today we see the budget in a very strong position. That doesn't happen by chance. It happens by putting measures in place, and that's what this government and this Prime Minister have been doing.</para>
<para>We've strengthened Medicare. They took billions of dollars from our health system from 2013. They took out billions of dollars in every budget, and therefore there was pressure on our health system. The same people who caused a lot of the pain are now complaining about it, which is like someone lighting a fire and then running off and calling the fire brigade. That is what they are doing. As I said, they opposed minimum wages. We have created 155,000 new jobs, which means 155,000 new positions so that people will be able to work, have dignity and have a wage to put food on the table, pay their mortgages and live decently I'm very proud of the 15 per cent wage increase for our aged-care workers. They appreciate it, yet those on that side opposed it and will never appreciate it because it is within their DNA to oppose any betterment of workers' rights and any increase of wages.</para>
<para>During the decade they were in government, they demonstrated a complete disconnect from the everyday challenges of regular Australians, and repeated attempts to slash government funded paid parental leave is one of them. That is a sign of incompetence. Wanting to increase the price of essential medicines by a copayment of $5 per script is a direct hit on people's pockets and those that can least afford it. That is a complete disconnect from the electorate and incompetence. That was really a cowardly thing to do: you attacked the sickest people in our community and tried to extract money from them.</para>
<para>Changing the law to hide energy price hikes before an election shows they were putting their interests ahead of the interests of the people that they are supposed to represent. That is a clear sign of not only weakness but incompetence as well. When using words such as 'weak' and 'incompetence', we should be talking about the opposition leader and also all those on the other side of this chamber for their actions when they were in government, not our Prime Minister. It is concerning that those on the other side seem to be more interested in political gains than in standing up for Australians. When they had the opportunity to lead, their focus seemed to be on policies that set Australia up for failure, and now in opposition they seem determined to obstruct progress rather than contribute to the betterment of the country.</para>
<para>We can't deny that there is a housing crisis in Australia at the moment, but there was not one single policy on housing while they were in government. What we saw was nothing on housing. We are acting to deal with the problems with housing, and the policy that we put through this place recently will be proof of that. In their entire time in power they failed to take any meaningful action to address our housing issues. They had their chance, but they didn't answer, and when the Albanese government recently tried to deliver it—and we did—they opposed it at every step. <inline font-style="italic">(</inline><inline font-style="italic">T</inline><inline font-style="italic">ime expired)</inline></para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr VIOLI</name>
    <name.id>300147</name.id>
    <electorate>Casey</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I would like to commend the member for Nichols for his contribution, a wonderful contribution about the importance of supporting farmers. We need to let farmers farm. My community has a strong agricultural community, like his, and it is so important that they can do their work and grow the food that feeds the country at a very cheap price. I also want to commend the member for Hume for this important motion. The cost of living is no doubt the biggest issue that the community is facing at the moment. They feel it every day. It was quite interesting that, when I was reading the papers on Sunday, I came across an article that I thought summed up my feelings quite well, so I will take the opportunity to read from the paper:</para>
<quote><para class="block">People feel the quality of life is going down and government makes it worse, with large targets for immigration and people forced out of affordable housing. They think we haven't solved [the cost-of-living crisis] and that [the voice] was a project for elites, not for them.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The government has to focus on cost of living.</para></quote>
<para>Those are very strong words, a great quote from the member for Macarthur. The member for Macarthur has laid it out quite well for us all. The article also notes that many other Labor backbenchers supported his view but weren't prepared to go on the record, so I do commend the member for Macarthur for saying what many of those opposite are thinking and feeling. It takes courage for him to come out and say that. Hopefully some others on that side will follow his lead.</para>
<para>That's the reality with this Prime Minister, as the member for Macarthur put so well—he is not focused on costs of living and he doesn't have any answers for the Australian people. He doesn't have solutions to the problems the country faces. You see that in question time. Whenever he's asked a question by us or by his own side, he pivots and talks about the opposition and the opposition leader. I was trying to work out who he reminded me of, and it came to me today in question time. It's Brooks. For those that haven't seen <inline font-style="italic">T</inline><inline font-style="italic">he</inline><inline font-style="italic">Shawshank </inline><inline font-style="italic">R</inline><inline font-style="italic">edemption</inline>—I'm sure many have—go and watch it. It's a great movie.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>248181</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Member for Hawke.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr VIOLI</name>
    <name.id>300147</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Brooks was institutionalised. After 27 years in parliament, this Prime Minister has spent 20 years of those 27 years in opposition.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>248181</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Member for McNamara, do not interject. At any time, it is rude, but, outside of your seat, it is especially disorderly. Sorry, Member for Casey.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr VIOLI</name>
    <name.id>300147</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you. He spent 27 years in parliament—20 years in opposition; seven years in government. He has had 18 months now as Prime Minister, but six of those years were in the glory years of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd era. This is the reality. This Prime Minister knows opposition. It's his natural habitat. So when he gets asked a question, he can't provide solutions to the Australian people; he just attacks and criticises the opposition. That's all he knows—being in opposition. It would be funny if it didn't actually hurt the Australian people.</para>
<para>There are many examples of these—and I've only got a minute and a half left; I can't go through them all—but one great example of this Prime Minister being more suited to opposition is with fuel prices. Fuel prices today in Canberra are at around $2.13 at the bowser and $2.35 for diesel. In 2021, when it was $1.79, the then opposition leader, now Prime Minister, was very happy to criticise the Prime Minister of the day for petrol prices and not doing enough to bring them down. So, apparently, when you're in opposition, and it's at $1.79, it's an issue. When it's $2.13 now for the Australian people, and he's actually in power and can do something about it, he has not a word about it, not a solution.</para>
<para>But what did the then government, now opposition, do when petrol hit over $2 because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine? It acted. It cut the fuel excise in half and capped it at six months, a policy that gave relief to the Australian people when they needed it, straightaway, but made it limited so it didn't have long-term structural impacts on the budget. That's an action that the former government took with petrol prices. But what do this Prime Minister and those opposite have to say about petrol prices when they're at $2.13? Nothing. The Australian people know this Prime Minister can complain and his natural habitat is in opposition. He has no solutions for the Australian people, and they feel it every day.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr GARLAND</name>
    <name.id>295588</name.id>
    <electorate>Chisholm</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm really pleased to have the opportunity to speak on this matter. Indeed, I thank the opposition for bringing this to the House today. I know, when I think of a weak and incompetent prime minister, my mind is cast back to the last 10 years. There's a list of names that I'm thinking of, but thank goodness none of them have been in the job since 21 May 2022. Honestly, it does seem, from these strange motions that come constantly before the House, put forward by those opposite, that there is nothing of substance that they can add to the debate when it comes to cost-of-living relief for Australian families. I urge them to do better.</para>
<para>For the purpose of this debate, I think it's only fair and reasonable—and let's accept that this is a sensible motion for one moment; let's pretend it is—that we take a moment to compare and contrast this Prime Minister and this government's record of delivering cost-of-living relief for Australians with that of the opposition. We know that the coalition adopted a deliberate strategy of wage suppression as part of their economic strategy, keeping workers' pay low for nine long years. This Prime Minister and this government, the Albanese Labor government, successfully put forward a case and argued for a Fair Work Commission minimum wage increase in line with inflation, delivering pay rises to the lowest-paid workers in this country. We've also ensured that there is a 15 per cent pay increase for aged-care workers. And let's not forget what the aged-care system looked like under those opposite. It was appalling.</para>
<para>The coalition ignored casual workers during the worst part of the pandemic, telling them ruthlessly, cruelly, to pay their own way through. I know that in my own community of Chisholm there were queues of people left behind at churches and at food banks, trying to get what they needed to survive. During the COVID-19 pandemic we extended the pandemic leave that those opposite had put an expiration date on even though people still needed assistance. The coalition ignored the rising cost of childcare, and I note that the mention of childcare was cast aside as somehow unrelated to the cost of living by those opposite, which just demonstrates how absolutely out of touch they are and that they really should have thought twice before bringing this motion to the House of Representatives.</para>
<para>Under Prime Minister Albanese's leadership, we've introduced legislation for cheaper childcare, which has meant 1.26 million families are better off. I know 7½ thousand families in my electorate are better off. We did more in a week, when we introduced the changes and they came into effect, than those opposite did in nine years.</para>
<para>On this side of the House, we know that bulk-billing is the beating heart of Medicare, and of course we actually think Medicare is a really important part of the health system in Australia. That's why our government made the largest investment in bulk-billing in the 40-year history of Medicare, with $3.5 billion invested to triple the incentives that doctors get to bulk-bill children, pensioners and other concession-card holders. On the other hand, the coalition froze the Medicare rebate for six years. Can you believe that? It is just dreadful. That made it more expensive to see a doctor than ever before.</para>
<para>Since 1 September of this year, the cost of medicines for six million Australians has been cut. This means $200 million is back in the pockets of Australians every year. This matters. We lowered the PBS safety net threshold, reduced the price of 2,000 brands of medicine and reduce the maximum copayment to $30. The economic mismanagement of the coalition instead left us with a trillion dollars in debt and not a cent of anything meaningful to show for it.</para>
<para>Our economic plan is a deliberate and direct response to the economic circumstances that were left to us. On this side of the House, we understand that household budgets are tight and that the impacts of cost-of-living pressures and inflation are being felt around kitchen tables across the country. We understand that. We know people are paying more for things they can't do without, and that's why we have a 10-point plan to address the cost-of-living pressures in our community. That's why we're delivering for Australian people. I think most Australians know what a disingenuous motion this is and the Albanese government is the government that is in their corner.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>83</page.no>
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      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Human Rights Joint Committee</title>
          <page.no>83</page.no>
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            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>83</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BURNS</name>
    <name.id>278522</name.id>
    <electorate>Macnamara</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights, I present the committee's report, entitled <inline font-style="italic">Human rights scrutiny report: report 11 of 2023</inline>.</para>
<para>Report made a parliamentary paper in accordance with standing order 39(e).</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BURNS</name>
    <name.id>278522</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I'm pleased to table the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights's 11th scrutiny report of 2023. In this report, the committee has considered 246 new legislative instruments and commented on seven. The committee has also considered 23 new bills, commented on three and concluded its consideration of a bill.</para>
<para>In particular, the committee is seeking further information about two bills relating to identity verification services. These bills seek to establish a federal legislative framework with respect to existing identity verification facilities and services. These services verify the identity of a person by comparing identification information, including biometric information such as facial image, against other information. The bills would authorise the Attorney-General's Department to develop, operate and maintain these facilities and to collect, use and disclose personal identification information.</para>
<para>The committee understands the need to ensure efficient identity verification, which is essential to minimise the risk of identity theft and fraud. However, the committee is concerned about the impact on the right to privacy for the millions of Australians whose data is contained in the National Driver Licence Facial Recognition Solution database and the use of biometric identity verification services. In light of the significant recent data breaches, the committee notes the importance of protecting the privacy of all Australians and ensuring that any measures that interfere with the privacy are accompanied by strong and effective safeguards. The committee further notes that these bills may engage other human rights, including the rights to social security and equality and non-discrimination, if the measures were to hinder access to social security services or have a disproportionate impact on members of certain groups. The committee is seeking further information from the Attorney-General to assess the compatibility of these measures with these rights.</para>
<para>The report also concludes the committee's consideration of the Counter-Terrorism and Other Legislation Amendment Bill 2023. This bill seeks to extend, by three years, the operation of several counterterrorism related provisions which were due to sunset, and proposes to amend existing counterterrorism powers. The committee reiterates its previous advice that these counterterrorism measures, particularly control orders and preventative detention orders, are likely to be incompatible with a range of human rights. The committee considers it remains unclear that there is an ongoing necessity for these powers, noting many have not been used, or a demonstrated necessity for the proposed new and broadened conditions that may be imposed under a control order. The committee considers that the proposed expansion of the control order measures risk constituting a disproportionate limit on multiple human rights, including the rights of the child. It is worth mentioning, though, that the committee does note the importance of counterterrorism legislation and the legitimate cause of wanting to keep the Australian people safe. The committee draws these human rights concerns to the attention of the Attorney-General and the parliament. The committee draws these human rights concerns to the attention of the Attorney-General and the parliament. I again take this opportunity to thank the hardworking staff in the secretariat. It is the 11th report, and there are still more to come by the end of the year.</para>
<para>I encourage all members to consider the committee's report closely, and, with these comments, I commend the committee's <inline font-style="italic">Human rights </inline><inline font-style="italic">scrut</inline><inline font-style="italic">i</inline><inline font-style="italic">ny </inline><inline font-style="italic">report</inline><inline font-style="italic">:</inline><inline font-style="italic">report </inline><inline font-style="italic">11 of 2023</inline> to the House.</para>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>STATEMENTS</title>
        <page.no>84</page.no>
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          <title>Israel</title>
          <page.no>84</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>00AMT</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In accordance with the resolution agreed to earlier today, statements relating to Hamas attacks on Israel and ongoing conflict may now be made.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms TEMPLEMAN</name>
    <name.id>181810</name.id>
    <electorate>Macquarie</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Since my remarks were interrupted last night, unfortunately things have deteriorated, not improved, and we look in horror at what is playing out.</para>
<para>I can restate that the protection of civilian lives and the respect for international humanitarian law are paramount. There's no room for movement there. Australia has condemned any indiscriminate attacks and the targeting of civilian infrastructure, including hospitals. We condemn those behaviours. There is much confusion about what is going on, and I'm not going to go into the details, but I think we're all aware of the loss of civilian life that has occurred at the hospital in Gaza. I note that the UN Secretary-General, Antonio Guterres, has called for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. As I said last night, what we're seeing is innocent civilians suffering on both sides, as a result of this conflict. Both Palestinians and Israelis deserve justice and they deserve freedom. This is deeply distressing for so many people in Australia, grieving the lives that have been lost.</para>
<para>What's important for us at home is that we maintain respect for each other as we do our best to support all the victims of this horror, irrespective of nationality or religion. In this parliament, we've condemned all forms of hate speech and violent extremist activity, including Islamophobia and antisemitism. In this place, we've agreed that no-one should be stoking fear and division which risks our domestic security. People should feel safe in Australia, wherever they are. Hateful prejudice has no place in this country. In this place, we must continue to work together for what can be the only goal in this situation that's unfolding, and that is to provide peace for the region of the Middle East, to support a two-state solution for Palestinians and Israelis, and not allow a terror attack and its repercussions to undermine that commitment. There is much practical work being done to assist Australians who are caught up in this conflict. More than 1,500 previously registered Australians have now left Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories, and additional flights are being arranged, subject to security conditions. DFAT remains in contact with more than 1,200 registered Australians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories, and not all of those who have registered actually want to leave, and many have registered for information updates. So we continue to work very closely with Australians who are on the ground.</para>
<para>I want to speak specifically about Australians in Gaza. We know this is very distressing for people in Australia who have family members who are Australian citizens or noncitizens in Gaza. That's obviously an extremely challenging situation for Australia to be assisting people. The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is in direct contact with Australians in Gaza who are seeking to leave, keeping them updated and continuing to work with them.</para>
<para>I also want to make one remark about the West Bank. I've visited the West Bank. I know people in Ramallah and I've been in communication with them. They are frightened; they are scared. I've seen footage of some of the things that are happening on the ground there. It's a horrible situation for people in the West Bank. There are also Australians in the West Bank who are wanting to leave, and they are also being supported by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.</para>
<para>I think our role as parliamentarians is to make sure we are careful in the language we use. We've been asked by the head of ASIO to be careful in the language that we use. We have strong feelings about this. None of us like seeing the loss of civilian life, and that is the thing that absolutely unites us here. Our language should ensure that we are respectful.</para>
<para>We all hope that over the coming days there can be steps taken to de-escalate the terrible violence that we are witnessing. I thank the House.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr WEBSTER</name>
    <name.id>281688</name.id>
    <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to commend this motion, a bipartisan and lengthy motion, that sets out what most decent Australians would support without question. Regrettably, a minority of people in this country and, sadly, a minority in this place have chosen to take a moment of solidarity with Israel to play politics. I don't intend to dignify that with a response. We would only be playing into their hands.</para>
<para>It has been hard to escape the horrific images of Gaza that we have all regrettably seen or read about. The start of another war is tragic indeed. There is no other word to describe it. War should never, ever be glorified. It is horrible to think that, while we are into the 601st day of Russia's illegal war in Ukraine, now we have an Israel-Hamas conflict. On the numbers, to bring the horror we are talking about into crystal-clear focus, as at the last check the death toll from the initial attack was over 1,400 people, most them civilians. The subsequent deaths in Gaza have surpassed 3,000, including at least 600 children and 370 women, with over 12½ thousand people wounded. An estimated 200 people are being held hostage by Hamas. I will not pretend to know the operational details of the attacks or the counteroffenses. Those horrific numbers are the facts that matter. I hope and pray the number does not rise. Those numbers are chilling and should spur everyone to pursue a solution. Call me a flower child of the seventies if you will, but every effort must be made to bring about peace.</para>
<para>The stories from those who have experienced the attack by Hamas on Israel this week are worse than atrocious. I don't know how we would react if they were our babies slaughtered in cold blood here in Australia. Yet in Sydney, Melbourne and around the world individuals made the journey to public places and rejoiced the attacks on Israel. This is fundamentally wrong and should be strongly condemned by every person in this place and every decent Australian.</para>
<para>Soon after the attack on Israel the New South Wales Labor government rightly moved to show its solidarity with Jewish people by mourning with Israel and projecting the Israeli flag on the Sydney Opera House. It should have been a moment of solidarity with those in Israel who have been mercilessly treated and killed. Instead, the coverage of the event was dominated by those who sympathise with the actions of terrorist group Hamas. Why? For reasons we may never fully know, somehow either the New South Wales government and/or police allowed these antisemitic views to be expressed right on the steps of the illuminated Opera House. Initially, New South Wales Premier Chris Minns called the decision by police 'operational'. It was a sad deflection of responsibility. A man carrying an Israeli flag instead found himself apprehended for his own personal safety and his flag confiscated. In whose mind is this reasonable or rational? I join with those that called for the New South Wales Minister for Police and Counter-terrorism, Yasmin Catley, to stand down. Hamas's attacks and anyone condoning them are an outrage against democracy, goodwill and human decency. This is something that should disturb every Australian.</para>
<para>I want to pick up on the third to last paragraph of the Prime Minister's motion, which reads that we in this place recognise:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… an attack on any religion is an attack on all religions and that we all share a responsibility to unite, condemn and defeat such an attack on our common values and way of life;</para></quote>
<para>Now is not the time to reflect on the lack of protection for religious freedom in Australia. It is, nonetheless, sad that in 2023, given some of the campaigns for equality that have occurred here and throughout corporate Australia, some people—a minority—see people of faith as fair game for hateful comments to celebrate when terrible things happen to them, to justify violence against them, or, worse, to target them with violence. It is a gaping hole in our equality framework, and it needs to be addressed. Not that long ago Australia through its armed forces servicemen and servicewomen participated in an overseas conflict against the deadly and repulsive ideology of ISIS, ISIL or Daesh—whatever you want to call the Islamic state. The former government put a deal of effort into repressing a brutal, hateful ideology that in one of its strongest tenets saw people of particular faiths or lifestyles as legitimate targets for their worst atrocities. From what we saw in Sydney in particular it appears there is still much more work to be done, which is some cause for reflection and perhaps the need for action, as the Leader of the Opposition has been saying this week.</para>
<para>In August last year I was part of a parliamentary delegation to Israel. I met with ministers from the Israeli government and with the Palestinian Prime Minister, Mohammad Shtayyeh. I left those meetings concerned about how strongly terrorism could and would be restricted in the West Bank and Gaza. Our delegation visited both the West Bank and Gaza, and, when we visited the Palestinian West Bank, we saw how the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, the UNRWA, sustains that population. I was concerned to see that there appeared to be little incentive for the population there to do anything but rely on the internationally financed welfare system of the UNRWA. It was clear from that visit that Hamas and Hezbollah are constant threats to the people of Israel, particularly through rockets launched on the population. These terrorist organisations' threat was ever present. We also went to Sderot, where we saw bomb shelters in every block. Even within primary schools there are bomb shelters. How sad that children should grow up under the threat of mortal danger, and tragically now we see that danger has become a reality with the death of completely innocent infants. It is horrific and inexcusable. Israel has every right to defend itself in response and to deter future attacks and other acts of aggression, coercion and interference.</para>
<para>The second paragraph of the Prime Minister's motion, which we support, is clear on that. It has to be restated because, sadly, there are some who don't agree with that proposition. It is crucial that nations and leaders across the globe express their support for Israel—its right to exist and its right to self-defence. It is also crucial that we stand united across the globe against antisemitism in all its forms.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr CHARLTON</name>
    <name.id>I8M</name.id>
    <electorate>Parramatta</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Australia's Jewish and Muslim communities are made up of good people, good people who desperately want to see their brothers and sisters in the Middle East find a peaceful resolution to this conflict. They are good people who want to live in harmony here in Australia alongside their friends and neighbours from many other faiths. The recent horrific violence in the Middle East has unleashed a torrent of pain and grief for these good people; grief for those innocent Israelis and Palestinians who have lost their lives and pain for the families who wait anxiously to hear the fate of hostages, or who watch the mounting toll of civilian casualties.</para>
<para>While the roots of this conflict stretch back into history, the immediate catalyst for violence was the unjustifiable Hamas attacks which targeted and killed innocent civilians. I join with all members in this parliament in the condemnation of terrorism. We must have moral clarity on the condemnation of all acts of indiscriminate killing, all targeting of civilians and all taking of hostages. These Hamas attacks have set back the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people—the aspirations of the Palestinian people that I met this year as I travelled to Israel and the occupied territories were to live freely, to live in peace, to travel without checkpoints, to work without permits and to live without fear. And these are aspirations that many Israelis also want to see. Hamas's actions have made those actions harder to achieve.</para>
<para>Australia has rightly condemned the killing of civilians by Hamas. But condemning these actions in no way diminishes support for Palestinian statehood or support for human rights in the West Bank and Gaza. In the last 24 hours we have witnessed the destruction of a hospital in Gaza, which took another tragic toll. There is an urgent need to protect human life and ensure that Australia's response equally values the lives of innocent people, no matter what their nationality, no matter where they live and no matter what faith they hold. We repeat our calls for protection of civilian lives and the upholding of international law, including international laws against the taking of hostages and international laws against collective punishment. The international community is right to expect that humanitarian aid be allowed to enter Gaza and that innocent civilians will be protected. The Albanese government has allocated $10 million of additional and immediate humanitarian aid funding for the people of Gaza. Our diplomats are working incredibly hard to support all people, especially Australian citizens in this crisis, and I thank them for their efforts, led by the foreign minister, Penny Wong.</para>
<para>The Muslim community and the Jewish community in Australia are peace-loving people. They love our multicultural nation, in which Jews, Muslims and many other faiths live as neighbours and friends. All Australians have a responsibility to protect our multicultural harmony. We have to protect it from antisemitism, which has no place in Australia. And we have to protect it from Islamophobia, which also has no place in Australia. And I condemn all acts of Islamophobia and antisemitism with equal force. We must stand with our Jewish friends to ensure they are not subject to hate speech and we must stand with our Muslim friends to ensure their overwhelmingly peace-loving community is not tainted by association with the actions of a small minority.</para>
<para>In recent days I have met with and spoken with many leaders from the Jewish and Muslim communities. I commend them for their steadfast leadership amid their grief. I thank them for their actions to provide comfort and urge tolerance. I will continue to speak up for peace and justice—peace free from terrorism and peace without occupation and subjugation. We are all guided by a desire to see Israeli and Palestinian people coexist in peace and security.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr HAWKE</name>
    <name.id>HWO</name.id>
    <electorate>Mitchell</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to strongly support the motion of the parliament in relation to Israel and the unconscionable attacks of the terrorist group Hamas on the people of Israel. It's very unfortunate that we have heard so much in this debate, whether it be from the Greens or members of the teal political party, highlighting another side of the case because, when you consider that this is the attack of terror groups against a nation-state, targeted at civilians, you can't believe that there are two sides to this particular issue that we are discussing as a parliament; there is only one. So it is good to see the unity of this parliament in relation to all members strongly condemning terrorist violence. There is no equivalency between a nation-state like Israel, which has a right to exist and a right to defend itself, and the actions of terror groups deliberately targeting civilians and deliberately killing Jewish people for the great crime of simply being Jewish.</para>
<para>When we will look through the record of history and examine the record of humanity, there's no doubt that one of the saddest features and one of the greatest stains on the soul of humanity will be antisemitism. It has been more durable than it should be. It has lasted longer, it has killed more people, it has done more damage and it remains today a completely irrational strain of thinking that, tragically for the Jewish people, continues to dominate a large part of the world's thinking. When you consider the motivation of terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and their backers in Iran, you understand that they simply want to wipe out the existence of Israel and the Jewish people altogether. There can be no peace with groups that have that as their objective. It's naive to suggest that there can be.</para>
<para>I know people here want to say we can have peace. In a peaceful country like Australia, in a western liberal democracy which is based on rights and the rule of law, we sometimes consider that we can simply call for peace and that will somehow help. We can't have peace with people whose objective is the murder of people for their race or for their characteristics or for their religion or for their background. These terror groups simply don't want peace. Their actions demonstrate that they don't want peace because they were targeted at stopping a major Arab state, Saudi Arabia, which is also a major Muslim state, from normalising relations with Israel, and sadly and tragically they have probably delayed and put off what would have been a major advancement and a step towards peace and stability for Jewish people and the entire Middle East region.</para>
<para>So in a sense we're here today because of this evil and violence against Jewish people. We're also here, depressingly, to acknowledge that the actions of this group have set back the course of peace, and that's why we shouldn't equivocate about our response or our condemnation in relation to terror groups who are striking with a greater purpose, which is not simply the killing of people and the creating of chaos and the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people but also the prevention of other actors in the world today, like Saudi Arabia and others, from moving down a path of peace. It's an inherently evil act to prevent peace and to take steps to deliberately destroy a more peaceful process and a more peaceful world.</para>
<para>So it was depressing and distressing as well to see an outbreak on the streets of the town where I grew up and the city that I'm very proud of, Sydney. I want to say to the Jewish community of Sydney, in particular, that the group of thugs that presented themselves on the streets of Sydney and chanted those evil and insidious chants do not represent all of the Australian population's view about Hamas, Hezbollah and the conflict that they are going through. In fact, it is the obligation of the New South Wales police—and I call upon the New South Wales police minister to get across her brief and do her job. It is unacceptable for the response of the New South Wales state government to have been to arrest peaceful Jewish Israeli Australian citizens while they were attempting to support their parent country peacefully on the streets, but enable, allow and protect thugs on the streets calling for the execution killing and racial vilification of other Australians. It's simply unacceptable. It shouldn't be allowed on our streets.</para>
<para>When you consider what's been happening in Australia in recent times, we do need our police forces to do more and we do need our security forces to do their jobs. Security services need to do their jobs. In Melbourne, we have had scenes, replicated on multiple occasions, of Nazis, Australian Nazis, on the streets of Melbourne, throwing Nazi salutes. This was replicated just the other day, where masked men on trains were throwing Nazi salutes. This should not be happening, and it's not just to the Australian Jewish community. My own family fled from Greece after World War II as a result of a Nazi massacre. I'm only standing here because of the massacre of civilians in Greece by Nazis. Yet, in Australia in 2023, we are now not only witnessing Nazis on the streets of Melbourne—and we need our police and our security services to do better; our streets in Sydney are being taken over by a group of Hamas-supporting thugs, directly threatening and inciting racial and religious violence against other Australian citizens.</para>
<para>While I hear the call of Mike Burgess from ASIO—and I understand his point very well—I also say to our agencies, who have been given multiple tranches of powers by this parliament under multiple tranches of security legislation: your responsibility is also to do your job. Sure, you might ask politicians to calm their rhetoric, but we would also ask you to use the powers that parliament have given you, use the multiple agencies that are under your control, use the money that has been given to you to protect the Australian people, to protect all of our citizens, to protect not just Australians of Jewish descent but Australians of all backgrounds who've come here.</para>
<para>We have one of the largest Greek populations outside of Greece in Melbourne, and it is unacceptable to have Nazis on the streets of Melbourne, throwing Nazi salutes. I welcome the Victorian government's outlawing of the Nazi salute today and I welcome this parliament's move and the government's move to rightly outlaw hate symbols and other Nazi symbols from being produced on the streets of Melbourne—more laws that we need to pass to stop this extremist response.</para>
<para>In spite of these very difficult developments, I know that the Australian people support and stand steadfastly behind Australia's Jewish community, a peaceful, happy, productive community that has come here and contributed so much to the fabric of Australia. We are behind you and we don't see any equivalences in parliament between terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and their backers in Iran and the great and peaceful migration that the Australian Jewish community represents here in Australia.</para>
<para>I also welcome, President Biden and Secretary Blinken, the great response of the United States—it's still the leader of the free world today and of the West—ensuring their absolute steadfast support to Israel. Why? Because Israel has a right to exist, because after the Holocaust, the pogroms and all of the tragedy of the Jewish people throughout history, Israel, the modern state of Israel since 1948, represents the best chance for the Jewish people to live in peace. And, while Australia continues to support a two-state solution, and we do—and of course the loss of any civilian life is absolutely tragic—the actors that initiated this recent round of conflict, Hamas and Hezbollah, are terror groups, and we should not shy away from that. All of the civilian loss of life that is coming about now has been initiated by terrorist actors.</para>
<para>The United States, Australia and the free world stand behind Israel because it is the rational thing to do, because it is the right thing to do, because it respects human rights and international rights. I'm very proud of Australia for its response and proud of the government's response as well.</para>
<para>Today I have the great privilege of saying to the Australian Jewish community: we support you; we love you; we know how much you have suffered from this senseless and baseless attack; we do very much understand—and any rational, right-thinking person who examines this conflict understands—the hatred that is behind the acts that have happened here, and their indecency and utter lack of humanity. If we truly stand on the side of peace, we will always stand behind countries that respect rights, countries that have the rule of law and countries that want freedom and peace. I believe Israel is one of those, and we support you. I'm very proud to support this motion.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr GORMAN</name>
    <name.id>74519</name.id>
    <electorate>Perth</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In the past week we have seen the devastating loss of innocent life due to the horrendous attacks on Israel by Hamas. It is crucial that, as Australians, we stand up and unequivocally condemn these terrorist attacks. These are acts of evil. They are the heinous acts of terrorists, and we come together now to unite against such actions. Australia opposes terrorism in all its forms. Australia stands shoulder to shoulder with Israel. We recognise Israel's right to defend itself. I note that, far from representing the Palestinian people, Hamas undermines Palestinian needs and aspirations.</para>
<para>We continue to call for the unconditional release of hostages and note that the world has witnessed a devastating loss of life and that innocent civilians on all sides of the conflict are already suffering. The scenes we are seeing are deeply upsetting and I reiterate the Australian government's calls for the protection of civilian lives and the observance of international humanitarian law. As a nation, our guiding principle has always been the pursuit of peace and progress towards a just and enduring two-state solution where Israelis and Palestinians can live within secure borders. We know that one of the many tragedies in what Hamas has done is that any prospect for peace has been pushed further from reach.</para>
<para>Like many in this place, I know that many in my community are following these scary developments very closely. I've spoken to a range of community leaders in the Perth electorate. It is home to a vibrant multicultural community. We do have different religious and cultural groups co-existing with mutual respect and understanding. It is something that we're very proud of. If I reflect back to when I was first elected as the member for Perth, one of my very fond memories is of being very kindly invited to the home of Joan Hillman, who was then the president of the Jewish Community Council of Western Australia. Joan very kindly invited me to her home for dinner to meet with a range of Jewish community leaders. That has resulted in some longstanding friendships and a deep engagement with that community, a large amount of which is based in my electorate to Perth.</para>
<para>I also note that we are again being asked to respond to horrific terror attacks. I am proud of the gatherings we've had to reject these terror attacks, as I was when I joined with the community outside the Perth mosque in Northbridge after the Christchurch attacks. At that event, I said, 'Australia as a nation is at its best when we are showing compassion across the world.' What I've seen in the last week is that we've gone out of our way to show that compassion, and we are at our absolute best as human beings when we are showing that compassion. Again, I've seen that in what has happened with some of the gatherings, and I note that we were able to have a message from the Prime Minister read at the gathering of the Jewish community in Perth last week. At that event it was very clearly stated to the community that the Prime Minister had said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… you are not alone. All Australians embrace you in this time of trauma.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We cannot lighten the weight that is upon you, but we hold you in our hearts. We grieve with you. We will stand with Israel.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We always will.</para></quote>
<para>I know that message was very warmly received by my community.</para>
<para>One of the things that has been thrown into absolute focus as a result of these horrific terrorist attacks is the fact that there are, sadly, here in the best country in the world, people who fear for or need to think more than I believe should be necessary about their safety when going about ordinary things, be it praying, attending educational institutions or attending community institutions. That's why I know there are a number of organisations across Australia and, indeed, in my electorate who will be very pleased to see the investments that are being announced today, through the Securing Faith-Based Places program, in more security and related infrastructure to support community groups. I note that that will be welcomed very much by Maurice Zeffert Home in Yokine in my electorate. It will be welcomed by the Australian Islamic College Dianella. It will be welcomed by Buddha's Light International Association in Maylands. This new funding will be welcomed by Temple David Congregation in Mount Lawley, Perth Hebrew Congregation in Menora, Perth Mosque in Northbridge and Western Australian Maccabi Inc.</para>
<para>I want to thank all of those community organisations that applied for that funding. I will do everything as their local member to ensure that they are able to access it as soon as possible, because I know how much people are concerned about the security situation here in Australia.</para>
<para>With that, I want to thank not just the Prime Minister, the Attorney-General, the foreign minister and the home affairs minister, amongst many others, for their work; I also want to thank Premier Cook and the Western Australian government for the work they've been doing with WA police in particular in giving assurance on a range of safety matters to support communities who are rightly but sadly concerned about the security situation they find themselves in. I thank a number of my colleagues from all sides who I know also have been reaching out to both Jewish and Muslim communities in Western Australia to ensure that they have what we in this place all want, which is to have the benefits of the society in which we want to walk and live, which is one where we have great social cohesion. It's important that we all take responsibility to ensure that ongoing social cohesion at a time where terrorists are broadcasting things not just through the media but through social media—TikTok and the rest—trying to make people fearful simply for being who they are. I don't want anyone in this country to feel that fear purely because of their faith or where they're from.</para>
<para>I conclude by commending the work that has been done by the Department of Foreign Affairs, its minister and the Minister for International Development in working towards further humanitarian assistance. I welcome the $10 million initial humanitarian assistance package for civilians affected by the conflict in Gaza, and I particularly note the strong partnership that Australia has had for many years with the International Committee of the Red Cross to provide urgent funds where they can. Of course the government will continue to monitor the humanitarian situation and stands ready to provide further support if it is required.</para>
<para>I want to thank all members who have participated in this debate for the wave that they've gone about showing strong support for communities here in Australia and, indeed, for communities who are hurting across the globe. Thank you.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr RICK WILSON</name>
    <name.id>198084</name.id>
    <electorate>O'Connor</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise today to associate myself with this motion of the parliament to condemn the barbaric attacks by Hamas on the state of Israel on 7 October and also to pass on the parliament's condolences to the people of Israel and Jewish people around the world, particularly here in Australia, all of whom would have loved ones, friends and family who will be affected or have been affected by the events that are currently unfolding.</para>
<para>It was right and proper that Ambassador Amir Maimon addressed the coalition party room on Tuesday morning and received the condolences of our side of politics and, I'm sure, the entire parliament, as this motion suggests. He also reiterated to our party room that Israel didn't start this war and didn't choose this war but will win this war. I absolutely stand with the ambassador, the Israeli people, the Israeli government and the IDF on that notion. A government's first responsibility to its people is to keep them safe and protect them.</para>
<para>I have had the pleasure and privilege of visiting the village of Sderot in southern Israel. It is five kilometres from the border with Gaza and about a half-hour drive from Be'er Sheva, which is a sacred place for many Australians because of the legendary charge of the light horse. It's a very special part of the world. Sadly, on Saturday 7 October the defences were not sufficient to keep the terrorists out of Sderot and the surrounding communities. Many people of that city were killed and some taken hostage. There is one image which is probably the most disturbing for many Australians. Last Saturday night I was waiting outside the Grapevine Gathering, a music festival in the Swan Valley at the Sandalford winery. I was waiting for my 18- and 20-year-old daughters to come out, watching these beautiful young people, full of enthusiasm and expectation of the life ahead. Sadly, on that day, on 7 October, 247 people attending a similar festival in Israel were cut down.</para>
<para>We must condemn these actions and we must support the state of Israel in the actions that it needs to take to defend its people and to destroy Hamas and other terrorist organisations that threaten the state of Israel and its people. I want to congratulate the United States on its response. President Biden and his Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, have indicated through the positioning of a two-carrier task force in the vicinity that the United States will stand with Israel, and that there will be consequences for surrounding countries if they decide to get involved in the conflict. It is very disturbing as well to see Hezbollah seeming to mobilise on the northern borders of Israel. Of course, we know the mullahs in Tehran are coordinating a lot of this activity, so it's very, very important that the United States is there, showing its strength and support for the state of Israel.</para>
<para>I want to close my brief remarks by reiterating how proud I am to have stood in this parliament with the vast majority of the 151 members demonstrating their support by supporting this motion. I know that the vast majority of the Australian people stand with Israel at this time of their desperate need.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SITOU</name>
    <name.id>298121</name.id>
    <electorate>Reid</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As we watch the horrors unfold abroad, we all grieve for the innocent Israelis and innocent Palestinians who have lost their lives. Conflict anywhere in the world is deeply distressing; it is all the more tragic when you see the killing and maiming of innocent civilians. We ought to speak up and condemn atrocities committed against innocent civilians, regardless of the history of the land or the faith of its people.</para>
<para>While the tensions in Israel and Palestine have lasted decades, the genesis of this most recent escalation is with the horrific attacks from Hamas terrorists. They committed mass murder on a scale so large and indiscriminate it can only be described as pure evil. Young people at a music festival, Holocaust survivors, Jewish families and young children—innocent lives brutally taken by a terrorist organisation. And now Hamas has taken Israelis as hostages—a cruel bargaining chip. My heart aches for those who have lost loved ones. They are innocent Palestinians and innocent Israelis who have been caught up in this conflict. For those families who have had loved ones taken hostage, the anxiety, fear and pain must be terrible. We unequivocally condemn these horrific acts committed by Hamas and call for the immediate release of all hostages. The actions of Hamas were not in the interests of Palestinians and will not advance the cause for a two-state solution. Innocent Israelis and innocent Palestinians are the victims in this conflict, and they have paid such a heavy price.</para>
<para>While the genesis of this recent conflict was an act of pure evil by Hamas, the Israeli government cannot allow evil to beget evil. Israel has a right to defend itself, and, given the evil nature of these terrorist attacks and the subsequent hostage-taking, it is understandable that Israel seeks justice for its people. But that right should not extend to the indiscriminate killing of innocent Palestinians. The mass punishment of innocent civilians in Gaza cannot be a proportionate response to the murderous attacks on civilians by Hamas. We call for the protection of civilian lives and the observance of international law because all innocent life lost is a tragedy.</para>
<para>From speaking to members of my community, their overwhelming concern is for the innocent Palestinians trapped in Gaza and the innocent Israelis taken hostage. As we call for the immediate release of Israeli hostages, we also call for those trapped in Gaza to have immediate access to basic necessities and for humanitarian aid to be allowed through via the establishment of a humanitarian corridor. Australia is providing $10 million in humanitarian assistance for civilians affected by the conflict in Gaza. Three million dollars will go to the International Committee of the Red Cross to fund the most pressing needs, like restoring essential services and providing medical support. Seven million dollars will go to UN agencies to deliver critical support, including emergency water, nutrition, sanitation and hygiene services, as well as child protection.</para>
<para>Australian consular officials here and overseas have been working tirelessly to get Australians out of the region. More than 1,500 previously registered Australians have now left Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. That's 1,500 Australians who are now safe. Their safety and the safety of all innocent civilians must be prioritised.</para>
<para>I've been in touch with members of the Muslim and Jewish communities. Both communities are hurting deeply, both communities feel the tremendous burden of these events and both communities acknowledge the fundamental importance of maintaining respect for each other, as people, validly, express their views. But, let me be clear, there is no room for Islamophobia in Australia; there is no room for antisemitism in Australia. Hateful prejudice against any group has no place in this country. When we see the turbulence of events overseas, we have to realise that our cohesive multilingual, multicultural and multifaith society is our most prized and fragile asset. As Mike Burgess, the director-general of ASIO, has made clear, everyone in our community, most of all our leaders, has a responsibility to use measured and responsible language. These are wise words that bear repeating.</para>
<para>The guiding principle for us in this decades-long conflict has been the pursuit of peace and progress towards a just and enduring two-state solution, where Israelis and Palestinians alike can live safely and freely within secure borders. There is no doubt that Hamas's attacks have put that further out of reach, but we must always continue to strive for a just and peaceful resolution in a way that protects all civilian lives and conforms to international law.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr VAN MANEN</name>
    <name.id>188315</name.id>
    <electorate>Forde</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on the motion in relation to what was a deplorable act of violence by Hamas in Israel a little over a week ago. As I stand here and reflect, it's immensely disappointing to have to stand in this chamber and speak on this type of motion.</para>
<para>The deliberate act of violence perpetrated by Hamas on innocent Israeli civilians was designed and intended to inflict maximum harm on those innocent civilians. Elderly women slain at bus stops, young people murdered while attending a music festival, which was actually promoting peace in the region, and families slain in their homes—these were not the righteous acts of freedom fighters but blatant, unprovoked, abhorrent terrorist attacks by a terrorist organisation. There is never any justification for the murder of innocent civilians, and I stand with my coalition colleagues and all of those in this chamber who have condemned these unprovoked and abhorrent attacks by Hamas on Israeli civilians.</para>
<para>Israel, as many have said, has every right to defend itself in response to attacks and to deter future attacks and other acts of aggression, coercion and interference. We stand with Israel to remove the ability of Hamas to repeat such atrocities. I think it's fair to say that Hamas has shown little if any interest in achieving peace in the region given their stated objectives of wiping Israel from the map. I heard my colleague in the Senate put it quite well earlier today. Senator Paterson said: 'The IDF looks to protect the Israeli people, whereas Hamas uses innocent Palestinian civilians to protect themselves, using them as human shields.' That speaks to me, saying that Hamas is nothing but a group of cowards. The actions of Hamas are not just a threat to the Israeli people but, as I've just said, they're a threat to the Palestinians as well.</para>
<para>I've received a number of emails in my office this week pointing out the atrocities that have happened and focusing predominantly on what is happening to innocent civilians in Gaza. But, interestingly, in those emails, there is no condemnation of Hamas's initial activities, and I find that disappointing. I find it disappointing that innocent Palestinian civilians who are looking to go about their ordinary business and improve their lives should suffer because of Hamas's power and their control of the Gaza Strip. It's through their power and control that those Palestinian people suffer. They fired rockets made from ripped-up pipes installed to develop water infrastructure. They base their military operations out of apartment buildings in areas were civilians congregate in order to induce the maximum collateral damage, should Israel be forced to retaliate.</para>
<para>I've been to Israel, and I've actually been to that particular police station in Sderot that was raided and burnt to the ground by those Hamas militants. I saw when I was there the remains of rockets that had been fired by Hamas into that town over a significant period of time. I went to the park. The play equipment in that park is designed to also act as a shelter, to provide protection for the children in the event of rockets being fired. Having been to those areas, it brings home how heinous these actions by Hamas have been. They fire rockets, artillery and mortar from residential neighbourhoods. Last night we saw that a potentially misfired Hamas rocket hit one of their own hospitals, killing many hundreds of people. For what purpose? There hiding amongst the innocent civilian population, Hamas clearly has no interest in furthering the Palestinian cause of self-determination. They seek only to destroy.</para>
<para>As I noted, I've received emails from residents who are concerned about Israel's actions to defend itself. Let me say to those who have sent me these emails: the underlying cause of the suffering and pain being endured both by everyday Palestinian citizens—innocent people who wish to go about their lives—and by innocent Israeli civilians is the same. As long as Hamas is allowed to act with impunity, neither side will know peace.</para>
<para>I hope that, out of this, Israel will be able to rid Gaza of Hamas and move forward in a new direction that promotes peace, ends the bloodshed and violence, and allows civilians on both sides of this conflict to lead the sorts of lives that we all enjoy in this country, in our multicultural society that recognises a wide variety of religions and cultures and provides tremendous opportunities. I know many people of Palestinian background or Jewish background have come here for a better life, as have people from many other parts of the world. I think it's terrific that they can come to Australia for a better life. But I hope that they get to lead that better life here, and that their relatives, friends and family back in Israel, Palestine and other parts of the world can enjoy some of that quality of life in their home countries and home communities. I hope that this conflict is resolved sooner rather than later. I stand with Israel and its right to defend and protect the lives and property of its people.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr JOSH WILSON</name>
    <name.id>265970</name.id>
    <electorate>Fremantle</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The circumstances in Israel and Palestine are an indescribable tragedy, a nightmare. The world has been shocked and appalled and shares—through our common humanity, but particularly through our affected communities—some of the grief and extraordinary heartache being suffered. In Australia there is enormous sympathy for people in Israel and Gaza, whose lives have been torn apart by terror, violence and suffering. Eleven days ago, Israel suffered an abhorrent terrorist attack on civilians that resulted in more than 1,000 deaths and more than 3,000 casualties. More than 100 hostages were taken, including women, children, senior citizens and people with a disability. That is unconscionable, and they must be released without condition immediately.</para>
<para>Today the conflict continues, through rocket fire from Gaza and through the aerial bombardment and siege measures being applied by Israel. There shouldn't be any argument about the widest expression of sympathy and compassion for all those affected by this violence. There shouldn't be any argument about the widest calls for an end to the violence. I condemn utterly the terrorist attack by Hamas on the people of Israel—the wanton killing of civilians, the taking of hostages, the merciless and brutal violence. All of it is horrible and unconscionable, both in its totality and in its detail, in the stories of parents that lost murdered children and the footage of music festival goers hunted to their death. I cannot imagine the web of agony that has spread throughout families and communities in Israel itself. Of course that web extends to affected communities around the world and to communities here in Australia. We extend our care, sympathy, compassion and love to those people in pain. We say clearly in this time of bewilderment and fear that people with Israeli heritage and people of the Jewish faith are cared for and safe in Australia.</para>
<para>The events in Israel and Palestine are an awful reminder that indiscriminate violence results from the dehumanisation that is born of prejudice. Without question, antisemitism continues to be one of the most virulent and harmful kinds of bigotry the world has ever seen. We cannot be complacent about the existence of antisemitism. We must see it clearly wherever it exists and must call it out and combat it.</para>
<para>Religious, racial and ethnic prejudice is the scourge of decent and peaceful society. No-one should fear walking the streets of Australia on the basis that they wear the uniform of a Jewish school or if they wear a headscarf or a turban. We shouldn't pretend our history, even our recent history, is free of prejudice. We must be consistent in our approach to those matters. It's particularly incumbent on those of us who have the privilege and responsibility of working as representatives to make sure we speak about, and practice, tolerance, compassion and peaceful conduct.</para>
<para>The last thing Australia needs is to find itself replicating the divisions and intolerance that are the root cause of longstanding conflict in other parts of the world. We've seen in the past how terrorism overseas can manifest in social disorder and communal violence in Australia. In 2005, following the terrorist attacks in London, we had the Cronulla riots in Sydney, when mobs moved through the streets attacking anyone of Middle Eastern appearance. Strike Force Neil concluded that key elements of that conduct were racism and media manipulation. In the last week we've seen rallies in this country which involved fringe elements who gave voice to disgusting and frightening antisemitism. That prejudice and those sentiments have no place in Australia. Everyone in Australia has a right to live free from discrimination and fear, free from antisemitism and free from Islamophobia.</para>
<para>It's completely understandable and legitimate that Israel would respond to the Hamas terrorist attack. There is no question that every nation has an obligation to protect its citizens. The government of Israel has described its response as war. That is what is now occurring in terms of the aerial bombardment of Gaza and preparations for a ground assault. The practice of war is subject to international law and to the broader principles of humanitarian conduct. No country alone determines whether it is acting in observance of those laws and principles. Indeed, whenever violent conflict occurs, it is the role of all nations to uphold and assert international law and the standards of humanitarian conduct.</para>
<para>When the Leader of the Opposition says that there should be no calls for restraint in relation to violence directed at those who have shown no restraint, he appears to be saying that in such circumstances anything goes, and that is wrong. It's a statement that appears to ignore the fact that in every war the greater suffering is borne by innocent civilians, and that is the case right now. More than a thousand civilians were killed in the attacks by Hamas. More than 2,000 civilians have died already in Gaza as a result of the aerial bombardment by Israel. That is why urging restraint is always right and always necessary. That is why Australia urges restraint by all involved in violent conflict, including in the present conflict in Israel and Palestine. The United States has urged restraint. The United Nations has urged restraint.</para>
<para>I join with my fellow parliamentarians in saying that we reject, oppose and fight against terrorism not only because of the awful harm it does but because of the inhumanity it represents. We define ourselves and our values by rejecting that kind of conduct. We reject barbarism. We reject the indiscriminate suffering of civilians. We oppose and must condemn any conduct that amounts to collective punishment, not least because it is a breach of international law.</para>
<para>As a chilling matter of perspective, the point has been made that the terrorist attacks on Israel by Hamas represented the greatest loss of life for Jewish people in a single day since the end of the Holocaust. That is testament to the scale and severity of the abhorrent violence and cruelty inflicted by Hamas on Israeli citizens. It also acts as a bitterly dark reminder that Hamas is guided by a doctrinal bigotry against people of the Jewish faith, and that context is pertinent. But as civilians in Gaza now suffer the response to those attacks, their circumstances cannot be without context. Civilians in Gaza already exist in a trapped and desperate position without adequate health services and basic infrastructure, without medicines and other basic goods, without freedom of movement or escape. The Palestinian people as a whole already exist under a form of blockade or occupation, and that occupation is illegal. All Palestinians are, as it stands, prevented from achieving the just and legitimate ambition to exist peacefully in a state of their own.</para>
<para>Last night the Al-Ahli Hospital in northern Gaza was bombed. It is estimated that more than 500 people have been killed. This is a statement from the World Health Organization:</para>
<quote><para class="block">WHO strongly condemns the attack on Al Ahli Arab Hospital in the north of the Gaza Strip. The hospital was operational, with patients, health and care givers, and internally displaced people sheltering there. Early reports indicate hundreds of fatalities and injuries.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The hospital was one of 20 in the north of the Gaza Strip facing evacuation orders from the Israeli military. The order for evacuation has been impossible to carry out given the current insecurity, critical condition of many patients, and lack of ambulances, staff, health system bed capacity, and alternative shelter for those displaced.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">WHO calls for the immediate active protection of civilians and health care. Evacuation orders must be reversed. International humanitarian law must be abided by, which means health care must be actively protected and never targeted.</para></quote>
<para>Half of the population of Gaza are children. Are a million children going to be consigned to a life in a coastal strip that has been levelled to the ground? This parliament is expressing its deepest sorrow, sympathy and support for the people of Israel and for people of Israeli and Jewish heritage around the world, but especially here in our Australian community in the aftermath of an extraordinary awful terrorist attack. We express our heartfelt sympathy and concern for the Palestinian people in Gaza and for Australian Palestinians who are watching their family and friends struggle for survival. In recognition of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, which comes on top of the significant disadvantage that existed before the war commenced, the Australian government on Saturday committed $10 million in additional assistance, noting that our contribution to the vital work of UNRRA was doubled in September.</para>
<para>In the weeks ahead we should urge a cessation of violence and a return to peace at every opportunity. We should counsel restraint and condemn terrorism and condemn any breach of international law or humanitarian principle, including collective punishment. We here in Australia must reject the taking of sides and the fomenting of prejudice and division, reject and respond firmly to any hate speech or racial and religious practice—all of us, every day must practise this—in speech and conduct moderation, tolerance, compassion and support for social cohesion, harmony and peace.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms LANDRY</name>
    <name.id>249764</name.id>
    <electorate>Capricornia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to condemn the unprovoked attacks by a militant terrorist group Hamas on Israel. The footage and stories of sheer terror being left in the wake of these attacks have made the blood of every Australian run cold. The blatant disregard for human life shown by this terrorist group has left our nation in a state of shock and disbelief. With news being made available almost instantaneously, our country has watched in horror as these events have unfolded before our very eyes. We have watched the senseless murders of babies, children and the elderly and others taken hostage by Hamas as a human shield. These despicable acts have left many wondering how any human could be capable of such evil. Firstly I wish to acknowledge both the Israelis and Palestinians who have been swept into a war they did not ask to be in. Both sides have lost hundreds of innocent people, and thousands more have been left with physical and emotional trauma. My thoughts and prayers remain with the families and friends who have lost loved ones in such horrific circumstances. The people of Israel and Palestine remained firmly in my prayers, and I wish them safety during this time of upheaval.</para>
<para>It is important to reiterate to Palestinians that in the condemnation of Hamas and their reign of terror over Israel, this is not an act of anger towards Palestine. Our countries still share a long friendship, and we will continue to share close ties. It is a shameful day for humanity to witness the largest loss of life of Jewish people since the Holocaust atrocity. The attacks by Hamas on Israel were unprovoked and unjust, and have incited fear throughout the world, yet we will not bow down to acts of terror. I stand alongside my coalition colleagues in publicly condemning the attacks and proudly supporting Israel in defending their people. We hope the road ahead for Israel is not long and that the war they have been forced to fight comes swiftly to an end.</para>
<para>There has been too much blood shed from the innocent lives of both sides. As we watch the events unfold across the ocean, it brought angst to the families and friends of those who have loved ones caught up in the crossfire. However, I condemn the actions of those who were celebrating in the streets of Australia over the loss of life in Israel. It disturbed many Australians to see people rejoice in the death and destruction Hamas has brought to the people of Israel. This behaviour is abhorrent and unjust. It is despicable to witness people celebrating the death and destruction of human life at the hands of terrorists. I say to the Jewish community of Australia: the coalition condemns these acts of antisemitism. Our nation is one of peace and acceptance. These demonstrations of hate towards the people of Israel are not what our country is built on. We as Australians should not and will not tolerate this level of animosity towards others. To the people of Israel: you have our support, as you have had throughout history. You will overcome this great challenge.</para>
<para>I'd also like to bring the attention of the chamber to the more than 10,000 Australian citizens still in Israel, with many of those potentially looking to evacuate to safety. There have been many problems for Australian citizens who are desperately trying to find a means of escape. Last weekend I was contacted by a Capricornian local, Kirsten, whose 21-year-old daughter was caught up in the attacks. Kirsten's daughter, Rhianna, had only arrived in Israel last month to undertake training at one of the world's best dance schools, the Kibbutz Contemporary Dance Company. On Saturday 7 October, Rhianna called her mother in a panic-stricken state and was desperate to come home after the news began to break about the terrorist attacks. Kirsten described to me the sounds of bombs exploding while on the phone to her distraught daughter. This is something no mother should ever have to hear and will for a very long time be something that will continue to haunt her.</para>
<para>In the following days, Kirsten and her daughter struggled to find relevant information on what to do during this time of crisis. Hours were taken up trying to seek the help they needed to get Rhianna home. With information she needed difficult to locate, Kirsten contacted me for advice on what to do, as there was simply nothing being updated online. My terrific staff and I were able to help assist Rhianna as best we could and provided information on how best to reach out to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, who were able to help Kirsten and Rhianna navigate their way through a difficult time by providing the assistance needed to help bring Rhianna home. After a number of days, including time spent in a bomb shelter, Rhianna and two other young Australian women were able to leave Israel and arrive in the safety of London a few days later. What a relief it would have been for their families to know their children were safe. My thoughts and prayers are with those girls as they heal from the trauma of what they've been through.</para>
<para>The complexity and organisation required for repatriation flights continues to grow ever more difficult as conditions on the ground deteriorate even further. I thank the Australian government for providing that support and assistance to Australians caught in war-torn Israel. There were incredibly emotional scenes at Sydney Airport this week as the first flight arrived back in Australia, with 222 people being united with their loved ones again. In an ABC report last Friday, it stated that there were 1,600 Australians registered with the department, with many more registering daily. The work to rescue as many as possible is still not over. We as a parliament must persist in remaining united in our support to bring our Australians home. To those Australians who remain stuck in Israel: you are in our thoughts, and we pray for your safe return to Australian shores as fast as possible.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BOWEN</name>
    <name.id>DZS</name.id>
    <electorate>McMahon</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What the world witnessed in Israel was and unspeakable act of barbarism. It was an attack which this House is rightly condemning. What Hamas has done is indefensible, and it is right that this parliament come together to make clear the view of the vast majority of Australians that the attack on Israel was unspeakable and indefensible and rightly can be, has been and will be condemned.</para>
<para>In all the barbarity that we've witnessed, what I find to be the most disturbing element of Hamas's attack is that it is impossible to avoid the conclusion that Hamas was trying to provoke Israel into further violence. When you look at the attack, you ask, 'What was Hamas thinking? What did they think they were going to achieve? What message were they trying to send?' It's impossible, in my view, to avoid the conclusion that they were hoping that Israel would attack back in a way which would receive international opprobrium. They were actually trying to provoke an attack on the people that they claim, or pretend, to represent. Of all the unspeakable things that there were, that—actually trying to poke Israel, to provoke Israel, into attacking the Palestinian people—is the most unspeakable, in my view.</para>
<para>Many fine words have been spoken in this debate, but there are a few things that, on behalf of myself and my community, I want to say. Firstly, as I said, this attack, which we all watched, was unspeakable. I think the worst for me was probably the footage of the attack on the dance party. We can all relate it to people we know. They were young people watching a very celebratory event. I'm sure they were at first surprised and confused, when the attack started, at what was going on, and then they were running for their lives. They were people with so much to look forward to. Since then we've seen the kidnapping, the hostage-taking et cetera. That has been something that we wouldn't have expected to see. There have been missile attacks on Israel. These are awful, terrible, horrible things, but we do expect them, and the Israeli people know and expect them as well, as much as they are abhorred. But the attack on that dance party was at a particular level of depravity, I think.</para>
<para>I also want to say to the Palestinian people, who, in my view, have legitimate aspirations and grievances, that we know that Hamas does not speak for you and represent you. To the people who believe, as I do—and as I think the vast majority of honourable members do—in a two-state solution I say: we cannot give up on that. A solution in which Israel and Palestine can live beside each other in peace and harmony is one that we cannot walk away from. As well, I want to say to Australians of Jewish faith and Islamic faith that here in Australia there is no place for hatred and there is no place for racism or religious bigotry. I've spoken to friends who've been subject to antisemitism in the street in recent days and weeks. That is unspeakable. I know of people who've suffered Islamophobia in the streets in recent days and weeks. I'd like to say it doesn't happen in Australia, but it has happened. Again, all I can say to those people—people of Jewish faith, people of Islamic faith—is that we are with you and that whatever supports we can lend we will.</para>
<para>The government today has allocated $50 million to the security of faith-based places, as we should, and no doubt there'll be more to do. That's important, but what is equally important is sending the message that, whether you're walking down the street as a Jew or as a Muslim, you should be able to walk down the street without your faith being an issue, without anybody giving you the benefit of their views on your faith. It's none of their business what your faith is or how you live your life, and that message is very clear. I think the motion moved by the Prime Minister and supported by the opposition encapsulated all this very well. I thought it was a fine piece of work, a fine bringing together of the words. It reflected well the sentiment of—I can't say the whole House, but I can say the vast bulk of the House and the vast bulk of the Australian people.</para>
<para>So we will, unfortunately—and I fear there's worse to come—have more footage that will be difficult for all people, all Australians, to watch. But it won't be as difficult for us as it will be for the innocent people of Israel and the innocent people of Palestine who did not seek this fight, who have aspirations simply to live in peace and harmony. This parliament, as we are obliged and expected to do, has come together in this moment with sentiments that are well expressed in the motion moved by the Prime Minister, which I endorse and associate myself with, as I know many members do. As we go through this difficult period, it's more important than ever that Australians come together and stick together, and I have confidence that we will.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms WARE</name>
    <name.id>300123</name.id>
    <electorate>Hughes</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It has been said that the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. Evil will prevail when good people say nothing. That was said long before the Holocaust, although it has often been used to attempt to explain, in some way, how, 80 years ago, the Nazis were able to murder six million Jewish people. Evil prevailed back then because many who should have done or said something remained silent. Evil is what occurred on 7 October this year in Israel. I stand here to call out that evil. I stand here as well in support of and to endorse the motion brought by the Prime Minister earlier this week and the contents of his motion, which has bipartisan support. I also support the comments made by the Leader of the Opposition in support of that motion.</para>
<para>It needs to be remembered that 7 October 2023 was the day on which more Jewish people were murdered in a single day than on any other day since the Holocaust. I first want to extend my deepest condolences to the people of Israel during this very difficult time and also to the many Jewish Australians who have family and friends in Israel. I use this opportunity to express my unequivocal support for the State of Israel and particularly for its inherent right to defend itself. This was very clear in the bipartisan motion that we heard on Monday. I defend the right of Israel to defend itself after being savagely and barbarically attacked by Hamas. Hamas is a recognised terrorist organisation. Hamas has committed a unilateral act of war against the people of Israel—against the State of Israel. When we have heard about and seen the atrocities that have been committed, I say that Hamas has committed and continues to commit acts of extreme inhumanity: the murder of innocent men, women and children; kidnapping of civilians; missiles raining down on cities; young people massacred at a music festival; widescale sexual assault of women and girls. Hamas exists with one intention: the destruction of the Jewish people; the destruction of the State of Israel.</para>
<para>Hamas has no interest in a peaceful two-state solution where people of different faiths live and work in peace, safety and harmony. Hamas is an enemy of Israel. By instigating this war, by its sheer brutality, it has also demonstrated that it cares nothing for the people of Palestine. It's using innocent Palestinians as human shields. Its actions have led directly to the humanitarian crisis now unfolding in the Gaza. It is hard to come to any other conclusion, except to the most obvious of conclusions—that, when Hamas launched this attack on Israel, it knew that Israel was going to respond, as Israel has a right to do. The very people of Palestine that Hamas purports to represent it is now inflicting untold damage upon.</para>
<para>Evil prevails when good people do not act. When reflecting on that proposition and on the dreadful events that have unfolded and will continue to unfold, evil often has its roots in much smaller demonstrations of prejudice. Part of the motion that was brought forward on Monday said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… an attack on any religion is an attack on all religions and that we all share a responsibility to unite, condemn and defeat such an attack on our common values and way of life;</para></quote>
<para>That is certainly a value that is inherent to us here in Australia. So I also take this opportunity to condemn all forms of antisemitism. There is no place for that in our country. I similarly condemn Islamophobia. I condemn all forms of racial and religious vilification. That's what we do in this country. That's why Australia is the most successful multicultural country in the world.</para>
<para>Since its formation in 1948, Israel has had to continue to fight every day for its very existence. It is the internationally recognised home of the Jewish people. Australia and Israel enjoy a friendship based on many similar underlying principles. Israel is a multiparty democracy. It supports the rule of law and freedom of worship. As a nation we must continue to defend our friend. We must be united, strident and completely uncompromising when it comes to condemning what has happened.</para>
<para>In this place we often disagree across the chamber on policy, on politics, on the best way to deliver for the Australian people, but on this issue the coalition stands united with the government. I have seen during my 16 months in this place that the best is achieved in this place when we come together, and we come together when the occasion calls for it, when there is an issue that is of such import that it calls for a unified approach, for consoling words, for a compassionate tone. That is what I have seen this week from government MPs, coalition MPs and most of the crossbench MPs.</para>
<para>However, there is something I have to call out—the actions that we have seen from those in the Greens in this place. I must say that I did not think I could be surprised about any actions taken or words spoken by the Greens party. However, this was not the case on Monday. On Monday, the Leader of the Greens indicated that his party would not support the bipartisan motion. But then they went further. They sought amendments to erase the statement that Israel has a right to defend itself. This lack of moral code that exists within the Greens party was clear for Australia to see.</para>
<para>Similarly, the action by others in this place—the member for Clark and those from my home state, which did surprise me, the member for Mackellar and the member for North Sydney—in supporting the Greens proposed amendment was conduct that was equally reprehensible, grossly insulting to Jewish people, and, in my view, not worthy of this place. They were out of step with the sentiments expressed within this place and out of step with the feelings of most Australians.</para>
<para>I take this opportunity to conclude that, despite the most difficult times being faced by Israel, by the Israeli people, and by innocent people within Palestine, I am confident that the values that are embodied within the state of Israel, those of faith, of democracy, of religious freedom, of the rule of law, of tolerance, of perseverance and of compassion, will prevail.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr KHALIL</name>
    <name.id>101351</name.id>
    <electorate>Wills</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Many Australians are watching and have been watching with horror and deep sorrow the events taking place in Israel and Gaza. I know this is a very distressing situation for Australians that are in Gaza and in Israel and of course for their families at home.</para>
<para>I start by acknowledging the devastating loss of Israeli and Palestinian lives and the terrible harm inflicted upon innocent civilians as a result of conflict.</para>
<para>As we've heard today from many speakers, all loss of human life matters, and I join the Prime Minister and other speakers in this place in condemning any threats or acts of violence against innocent people. They should never be tolerated, and, wherever it occurs, we cannot be indifferent to human suffering. It is in these dire and difficult moments that we must recognise and embrace our shared humanity.</para>
<para>Hamas's terrorist attacks on Israel 10 days ago, with the indiscriminate killing and kidnapping of innocent civilians, is detestable and has been condemned in the strongest possible terms. Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation, and these attacks by Hamas do not advance the cause of Palestinian self-determination or statehood. Far from representing the Palestinian people, Hamas undermines Palestinian needs and aspirations. Hamas's actions have pushed any prospects of peace further from reach, undermining the legitimate aspirations and needs of the Palestinian people themselves, and it should be noted that their avowed objective is the destruction of the state of Israel. They do not believe in a two state solution and therefore cannot be a partner for peace.</para>
<para>To reiterate what the Prime Minister clearly stated today: we should be very clear that it is Hamas, not the Palestinian people, that is the enemy. The Palestinian people are suffering greatly, and this suffering has impacted on generations of Palestinians. The humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip, which is home to two million people, is deteriorating rapidly. We are monitoring the situation closely and we support the work of the United Nations, the United States, Israel and Egypt to establish safe passage for Gaza civilians.</para>
<para>The cycle of hatred, violence and despair between Israelis and Palestinians has been ongoing for almost a century. Now, I'm a person of Egyptian heritage. My own family has been part of this conflict for the past 70 years. My grandfather, my father and my uncles fought in the Egyptian army in the wars of 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. Our own family home back in Egypt, in Port Said, was reduced to rubble by Israeli air strikes in 1956, and I, like many Australians, have a personal understanding and connection to the region and its history. I acknowledge the decades of suffering that Palestinians have had under occupation, but I have to state the moral clarity here, as we've heard from other speakers: that all of these facts—the suffering, the occupation—do not justify Hamas's terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians, their indiscriminate and detestable killing and kidnapping of innocent civilians. That is why it's important to disconnect those two points. Hamas's actions have been condemned—rightly so—in the strongest possible terms because they are abhorrent and they do not represent or advance the Palestinian cause of self-determination.</para>
<para>Now, despite all of this, despite the current crisis and the decades of conflict, I still support a two-state solution. It might sound strange to say that, but long-term stability and peace will not be achieved in the region until Palestinian self-determination is realised and until the Palestinian people have a state of their own. Many Israelis know this. I have continued to advocate and urge that we work continually with our friends and allies in the international community to commit to advancing what has been an elusive long-term goal: a sustainable two-state solution. It has to be based on justice, self-determination, and peace and security for Palestinians and Israelis alike. In fact, Australia has a long and proud history of supporting a just and durable two-state solution to this conflict, and it's one that includes Palestinian self-determination as well as a recognition of the existence of Israel and its right to defend itself and its people from attack.</para>
<para>Ultimately, the only way a two-state solution can be achieved is through a direct negotiated outcome between the Israelis and the Palestinians, and we are far away from that at the moment. And any lasting resolution to the Middle East conflict cannot be at the expense of either the Palestinians or the Israelis. During this crisis, our government has called for the utmost efforts to be made to protect innocent civilian lives, and as a government we condemn, as we have heard from the Prime Minister today, any indiscriminate attacks and targeting of civilian infrastructure. As the Prime Minister said today, the protection of civilian lives must come first, and respect for international humanitarian law is paramount. That is why Australia has also joined the international community's efforts to establish and maintain humanitarian access to Gaza, including safe passage for civilians. We have done this by engaging at all levels with countries in the Middle East and beyond in support of the protection of civilians and the containment of this conflict.</para>
<para>We know this is a very challenging time for so many. We are providing multiple repatriation flights out of Israel and communicating with Australians in the region, including identifying Australian citizens in Gaza. We continue to provide updates to registered Australians. The Minister for Foreign Affairs, Senator Wong, has specifically called for that safe and unimpeded humanitarian access to civilians affected by the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. There have been strong and constant diplomatic efforts by Australia and our allies since the beginning of this crisis, including Minister Wong's efforts with her US and Egyptian counterparts to ensure the Egyptian controlled Rafah border crossing into Gaza can open as a humanitarian corridor to provide Gazans with Australia's aid and aid from many countries around the world. In addition, the diplomatic efforts are geared to ensuring the resumption of water supply, particularly in southern Gaza where there are many civilians. Foreign minister Wong and Minister Pat Conroy also announced an initial $10 million in humanitarian assistance for civilians affected by the conflict in Gaza, and that is really to provide medical support to victims of conflict as well as emergency water, nutrition, sanitation and hygiene services, and child protection. The government of course is committed to assessing the need for further support as it arises.</para>
<para>My role within the government and as Chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security is always one focused on the national interest, and this includes the impact on our national security and implications for Australia's social cohesion from the impacts of regional instability as well as the geopolitical instability arising from this conflict. I understand that many Australians wish to express their views, and they have strongly held views about this conflict and about what is happening. The Australian government of course supports the right of Australians to express their opinions peacefully in peaceful protest, but we categorically condemn any antisemitism, Islamophobia or dehumanisation of any kind. I utterly condemn discriminatory behaviours, hate speech and incitement of hatred and violence based on religion or ethnicity. Those behaviours and statements are not the same as Australians' right to peacefully protest. Right now, it is more critical than ever that we maintain the social cohesion and the respect for one another to safeguard what we all value, this multicultural and pluralistic society.</para>
<para>We must ensure the protection of children, school children and schools, places of worship, synagogues and all Australians as they go about their daily lives during these tense periods. Threats or acts of violence against innocent people should never be tolerated or justified, and, as I said, we should never be indifferent to human suffering. Wherever it occurs, we must recognise and embrace our shared humanity, and, in these times, that is more important than ever. The Prime Minister summed up this approach recently in this place when he said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Protecting innocent people is not a show of weakness. It is a measure of strength because true strength never turns its back on humanity. We care about the lives of everyone caught in this conflict—that is who we are as Australians.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>201906</name.id>
    <electorate>Longman</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise today to condemn the brutal Hamas attack on innocent Israeli civilians 10 days ago. Like most Australians I hope and pray for peace in the Middle East, and it is not for me to say what ground needs to be given by up which party to obtain the peace we all desire in this region. That is a matter for them in their negotiations. Longman does not have a large Jewish community or a synagogue, but we do have a large Christian community, and there is definitely a shared spiritual connection and a fondness and respect for Israel. The loss of life in any conflict is of course horrific, whether that be militarily or civilian. We all understand and cherish the value of human life. However, we must also understand that in conflict, regrettably, there will be military lives lost as part of the process of war. These brave souls put their lives on the line for their country or the ideologies they so passionately believe in, mostly by choice. They do this for the rest of their community, citizens and the rest of us here in Australia. For that I will be eternally grateful.</para>
<para>It is indeed strange that there are 'rules of war'. One would expect, when it comes to a matter of life and death, that the gloves would be off and the concept of 'anything goes' would be enacted, but, in the main, it's not so. Generally targets are military and armed forces try to ensure no civilians are killed or injured in any attacks made on their enemies. This is why the recent attack of the terrorist organisation Hamas on innocent Israeli civilians must be condemned. When I saw the images and read the reports I was sick to my stomach—babies beheaded and burned, women raped and innocent unarmed young people, simply having a good time at a music festival, gunned down in what can only be described as brutal and cowardly actions. To date, the loss of life stands at over 1,400 souls.</para>
<para>To add to the disgust of many Australians, it was the actions and reactions of some groups in Australia that also outraged me and those Australians. We have Jewish Australians afraid to leave their homes and Jewish children not wearing uniforms that identify, in any way, their Jewish heritage. We have rallies of antisemitic groups and people in our capital cities celebrating the disgusting attack on these innocent Israelis and chants of, 'Gas the Jews' resounding in some of our communities. These protests and rallies had not been approved or sanctioned by governments and yet they still proceeded without arrests or being shut down. What message does this send to the international community on where Australia stands on this sort of disgraceful behaviour? This antisemitic behaviour is simply unAustralian. Australians should be, and are, appalled at and ashamed of the lack of action in closing them down.</para>
<para>But one of the most unbelievable acts in this process has been the lack of sensitivity and compassion by people and groups here in our own country. Even some of my fellow parliamentarians, mostly from the Greens party, have chosen, at a time when many in the community are mourning and distressed over these senseless, barbaric attacks, to actually speak out against Israel, going so far as to use words like 'genocide'. People in my electorate are contacting my office in anger and disgust, and rightly so. Australia has always been proud of the fact that we have freedom of speech. However, this type of insensitive and hurtful—some would even say hate—speech has never been the Australian way. Those who have spoken and acted in this manner should be ashamed and apologise. Anyone who celebrates the pain and suffering inflicted by this type of barbaric behaviour does not represent the feelings of mainstream Australia and should be condemned.</para>
<para>I say to the Israeli nation, which has long been a friend of Australia, and the Jewish community in Australia that I support you and I condemn those murderous and cowardly attacks on your people and these racist protests, rallies and spiteful, insensitive words spoken here on Australian soil.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr RYAN</name>
    <name.id>297660</name.id>
    <electorate>Kooyong</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to support this motion by the Prime Minister. I unequivocally condemn last week's attacks on Israel by Hamas. The decision of Hamas to attack Israeli towns and villages was indefensible. The heinous acts of these terrorists, the targeting and murder of civilians, the taking of Israeli hostages and the murderous and indiscriminate rocket fire were inexcusable and abhorrent. We should not, and we must not, equate Hamas with the civilian population of Gaza, which this week, along with the Israelis, is paying the price for Hamas's reprehensible actions. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people. It does not reflect their needs and their aspirations. They, the Palestinian people, deserve better. There is no path to peace, safety, justice or freedom via aggression and war, via the attacks undertaken by Hamas on 7 October 2023.</para>
<para>As a parliamentarian, I know that continuation of this conflict will lead to more suffering and more death. I implore those involved to protect human life, to secure safe civilian corridors and to observe international humanitarian law. As a doctor, I've spent most of my life working as a paediatric neurologist, caring, above all, for the lives of children. It is beyond devastating to read of the deaths of children on both sides of the Gaza border; of babies killed in kibbutzim or abducted from their homes as helpless hostages; of children without oxygen or without pain relief in hospitals in Gaza; of adolescents frightened for their siblings, their parents and themselves; and of exhausted doctors trying to treat thousands of injured civilians in circumstances which are barely possible to imagine. The news overnight of hundreds of children and adults killed or injured in the explosion in the Gaza City hospital is distressing to us all. There is no path to peace through such events.</para>
<para>As a mother, I know that members of our community right now need love and support. Every Jewish person in this country has been touched by this tragedy and is hurting. Children attending Jewish schools should be able to wear their uniforms and to proudly identify as being Jewish without fearing the antisemitism that many of their grandparents suffered through the Holocaust. But, equally, Muslim children in Australia must not be subjected to Islamophobia. Our country, as good as it is, is as wonderful as it is because it has embraced all races, all religions and all ethnic groups. I also want to acknowledge that we live in a time when the unfiltered details of this war are known to adults and children around the world in real time. This is a time when we fear that our children will see unthinkably horrible images on their social media streams. The trauma of this is universal, but it's unthinkably horrible for the friends and families of Israeli and Palestinian individuals who've seen online images of people that they know and love involved in this conflict.</para>
<para>Sarah Saaroni is a 97-year-old Holocaust survivor. She was one of Israel's first citizens when it declared independence in 1948, but she now lives in my electorate in Kooyong. We swim in the same pool in Hawthorn. Sarah is grieving for all civilians caught up in this, the worst violence in the last 50 years of the never-ending conflict in Israel and Palestine. Yesterday in the <inline font-style="italic">Age </inline>she was quoted as saying:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Who is really the victim in all of this? … It is the innocent people on both sides. The children, the families. It is innocent people who always lose the most.</para></quote>
<para>Earlier this year I met with Bassam Aramin and Rami Elhanan when they came to Melbourne. These two inspirational men have both lost children to the Israeli-Palestinain conflict. One is Muslim, one is Jewish. Together, united by grief, they were travelling the world advocating for peace. They said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">We cannot keep living like this … we cannot continue killing each other and fighting each other.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">…   …   …</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We don't need people to import our conflict to their society, you already have problems of your own. We demand of you to be pro-peace, to be against injustice …</para></quote>
<para>Now more than ever we have to work together to support our communities in their hurt and their trauma. We have to hold each other close. We need all people, all governments, to find a path to peace in this sad time of terrible violence.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr COULTON</name>
    <name.id>HWN</name.id>
    <electorate>Parkes</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise tonight to speak on this motion on the Hamas attacks on Israel. The images from those initial attacks on Israel, on the kibbutz and the music festival, were horrendous. I want it on the record that I completely condemn Hamas for undertaking that action. There is no justification, and the loss of life was horrendous. However, this has got to stop. A child is a child, whether they're an Israeli child or a Palestinian child. A civilian is a civilian, whether they're an Israeli civilian or a Palestinian civilian. The images that we've seen over the last couple of days of the destruction in that part of the world should be a clear incentive to come to a solution for an issue that has been plaguing that part of the world for decades.</para>
<para>It's no secret in this place that I have connections to the Palestinian people here in Australia. I have spent time in the West Bank, and my opinion on the circumstances there have been formed by what I've seen with my own eyes. This has got to be the wake-up call for the rest of the world to work with the Israelis and the Palestinians to come to a resolution that will end this violence forever. Otherwise we are just going to see recurrences of the sorts of things we've seen in the last week or so time and time again. We've got to remember that Gaza is a very, very small piece of land, with two million people. There is nowhere to escape this violence. People are fleeing to the south, to safe zones, where they are still finding themselves in deep danger. There is no way out.</para>
<para>I think that's the difficult thing here. At this stage, there doesn't seem to be a pathway for this to stop. We can't just keep killing people until it becomes so horrendous that a decision has to be made. That decision needs to be made now. There needs to be a ceasefire on both sides so some form of humanitarian resolution can be agreed upon. It just can't continue.</para>
<para>Many people from that part of the world, whether they be Jewish people or Palestinians, have found refuge in Australia. We should remember that their children should be able to walk the streets freely and attend school without being put in danger, whether they be Jewish children or, as I've heard this morning, Palestinian children. Those people have taken refuge in this country, and this is not the Australian way. It's not the Australian way to undertake that form of intimidation and violence here. You don't solve the problems of Israel and Palestine by playing them out on the streets of our cities here in Australia. That is not a solution for anyone.</para>
<para>As I said, I've spent time in the West Bank, and, quite frankly, it was considered too dangerous to go to Gaza even six or seven years ago when I was there. But, from what I've seen in the West Bank and from the people I've spoken to, when people lose hope, when there's no future, evil prospers, and that's what we're seeing now. I've spoken to university students in Bethlehem—bright, intelligent, beautiful people—who had absolutely no hope of a future with any positivity. That's the sort of environment that fosters the horrendous violence we've seen.</para>
<para>There needs to be a solution to get rid of Hamas, because, quite frankly, they knew what was going to happen. They see the death of their own people as some sort of noble cause that will send a message to the rest of the world. They don't seek a solution to the problem. They are seeking the elimination of Israel. That's not going to happen. There needs to be a way forward.</para>
<para>We hear a lot about Australia's support for a two-state solution. My personal view is that that would be very difficult to achieve. But, because it is difficult and because it is complex, through the support of other countries, whether it's other Arab countries or the United States, efforts need to be going into finding a way to peace, because this can't escalate. With Hezbollah starting to be active in the northern part of Israel and with the actions from other states nearby, the potential for this to escalate into something completely horrific is quite high.</para>
<para>I have no answer. The issue is so dire, so horrible, with no way forward. All I'm asking for is that we stop this madness, that we stop this death, and that we sit down and work on a way to save lives. Just tonight I've seen images of dead and badly wounded children—toddlers. What have they or the children that were murdered in the initial attack by Hamas ever done? It's just senseless bloodshed and it needs to stop.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr TEHAN</name>
    <name.id>210911</name.id>
    <electorate>Wannon</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Hamas is a terrorist organisation. It's a declared terrorist organisation. There is no place in this world for terrorist organisations, and we've seen again why this is so with the attacks that Hamas made against the state of Israel—acts of barbarism the like of which we hadn't seen since ISIS. We were all prepared to condemn what ISIS did, and every single one of us should be prepared to condemn what Hamas did.</para>
<para>Although there were acts beyond belief—there were acts beyond humanity right across the board—the thing that shocked us to the core was the slitting of the throats of those innocent young children. How, in any way, that could be seen as justified is beyond any comprehension. There is absolutely no excuse—no excuse—for that despicable behaviour. We have to call it out, and we have to support action to ensure that it is dealt with, because if terrorism like that is allowed to exist, if it's allowed to blossom, then the type of world that we will begin to live in is not the type of world I think any of us want to occupy. As hard as it is—and it is hard—to have to deal with terrorism, we have to have the will and we have to make sure that we are there to support Israel in defending itself from this terrorist organisation.</para>
<para>I want to mention the speech which was made by the Prime Minister on this motion and the one made by the Leader of the Opposition. It is fantastic to see bipartisanship on an issue like this, because this is an issue we should all stand together on. This is an issue we should all stand together on and make sure that we condemn what took place. I think it is an absolute credit to our democracy that we are able to come together and condemn the actions that took place on 7 October. We have to make sure that we continue in a bipartisan way to condemn acts of terrorism wherever they occur and in whichever part of the world they occur. This is especially so when it comes to Israel.</para>
<para>Seventy-five years ago, the state of Israel was born, and it was born after the most unimaginable horror that occurred during the Holocaust. Many of us have visited the Holocaust museum in Jerusalem or other memorials to the Holocaust and have been shaken to the bone by what occurred. But the world acted and gave the state of Israel a sanctuary, a home, a place where they could say, 'This is our nation state.' That nation state has every right to exist. There is no place for equivalence on this, because Hamas and others don't want to see Israel exist. I'll say that again: Hamas and others do not want to see Israel exist. So if we are to look at two-state solutions we have to be absolutely clear that it will not be Hamas that provides that two-state solution, because all they want to do is eliminate Israel. Sadly, it seems that Hezbollah is not far behind them. And not far behind Hezbollah and Hamas is Iran. Iran also needs to be called out, because progress was being made towards some long-lasting solution in the Middle East and yet Iran is doing everything it can to make sure that doesn't happen. Anyone who will not say, loudly and clearly, that Israel has the right to exist can never, ever be part of an ultimate two-state solution.</para>
<para>When it comes to terrorism—and we have seen this with those barbaric acts which took place on 7 October—the only way we are going to be able to deal with them is by making these terrorist organisations know that we will hunt them down. We will find them and we will do our very, very best to eliminate them. If we don't do that, the sad reality is that they will strike again—they will come again and rebuild. Sadly, that is part of their business model.</para>
<para>The tragedy is that they're prepared to use their people to seek their ends. This isn't about a long-lasting peace. This isn't about providing the security, the homes, the water, the sewerage, the health and the educational outcomes that all communities want. This is very much about brutal power—power gained by the sword; power gained by any means—which, to us, in a wonderful, modern society, has absolutely no place.</para>
<para>As we know, Israel understands that this poses a threat to its very existence. Israelis understand that they are now going to have to undertake a mission into Gaza that will lead to loss of life on the Israeli side and that of the Palestinians in Gaza. But they have to act, because if they don't act then there will be more innocent blood shed in their state.</para>
<para>I ask this: if that was occurring here in Australia and we were being threatened and attacked like that, what do you think our reaction would be? Do you think the Australian people would say, 'Fine, government. Stand by and let this occur. Let innocent children have their throats slit. Let innocent women be raped. Let soldiers be killed and their bodies danced upon'? Do you think we would sit there and say, 'Let that take place'?</para>
<para>No matter who we are, the one thing that drives us above all else is our own personal safety and the personal safety of our loved ones, our communities and, ultimately, our nation. It's why the nation state and the family are such powerful tools in communities. No, we would not step back and allow this to happen, nor would the Australian people. We have to understand that that is why the Israeli government and its people will not stand back and allow this to happen.</para>
<para>The best thing that could occur is that Hamas understand that their way is never going to succeed. They should immediately release the hostages they are holding and say that the terrorist way is no longer the way that they are going to follow. I understand that that's unlikely to happen, sadly, and that is why Israel is left with no choice. There will be innocent blood spilt on both sides and there will be Israeli soldiers who will give up their lives to defend their nation. But after 75 years, Israel knows that the only way it will continue to exist is by making sure that it fights for its existence. I am absolutely privileged to be part of this bipartisan motion, which agrees to that fact.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr CLARE</name>
    <name.id>HWL</name.id>
    <electorate>Blaxland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Last week, a Jewish friend of mine told me that he felt afraid to send his children to school here in Australia. The same day, a Muslim friend of mine told me that he was afraid his family in Gaza would not be alive tomorrow. We're a long way away from what's happening on the other side of the world, but it's having an impact here. The fear, the angst and the anger are palpable.</para>
<para>It's hard to believe that people are capable of the sort of evil that we've seen on display on our television screens: the murder of teenagers going to a festival, the murder of grandmothers, the murder of babies. It's like a horror movie in real life, and we stand here together in condemnation of it. I think most of us are still reeling at the sickening barbarity of it, the indiscriminate evil of it. But as we saw those images we also knew what would come next—more violence, more death of innocent people. History tells us that, and we're bearing witness to it again today with the destruction of the al-Ahli Arab Hospital and the death of hundreds of more innocent people. All of this just leads to more fear, more dread, more anger, more hate, there and here.</para>
<para>We can and we should condemn any indiscriminate attack and the targeting of civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, and we do. Australia joins with others in calling for international law to always be upheld. We are so lucky to live here in the best country in the world. I say often to my community that one of the reasons we are the best country in the world is that we are made up of people from all around the world—people from all different backgrounds, all different religions, all different cultures. We're respectful of each other. We live next to each other, we are neighbours to each other, and we live in peace. In that sense, we are a symbol, we are a message to the rest of the world. But that is being tested at the moment too, and it will be tested even more in the days and weeks ahead if, as we suspect, more people die. We can't control what is happening on the other side of the world, but we can make sure that what is happening there does not pull us apart here. What we do next matters. We have a responsibility, all of us as community leaders, to try to turn the temperature down.</para>
<para>We have an obligation to understand the fears of my two friends. They want us to know that every innocent life should be protected, Israeli and Palestinian. They want us to know that Hamas and Palestine are not the same thing. They want to be protected, and they want to feel safe here at home. In the lifetime of my grandparents, we have all seen the evil that antisemitism can reap, and in just the last few years in New Zealand we have seen what the poison of Islamophobia can produce. In the dark corners of our country, that scourge exists here too, and, where we see it, we must condemn it. But we can't just condemn it and hope that it will go away. We have to work together to eliminate it. That's our job as community leaders, and that's what my two friends ask of us. Just like all of us, they dream of two countries, a two-state solution, no blockades and no terror, just two peoples living peacefully next door to one another.</para>
<para>That's something we take for granted, like dropping off our kids at school and knowing they are going to come home safe, or teenagers going to a musical festival and having the time of their lives, or going to bed at night in your apartment and knowing that it won't be rubble in the morning. The terrible truth, though, is that the horror of the last week or so means that that life for Israelis and Palestinians is now further away than ever. This moment is too important for politics or the sometimes petty squabbles of this place. This moment and this motion call on us—all of us—to come together: in grief for all those innocent lives already lost; in hope, however improbable, that there will be no more; and in belief, however hopeless things seem right now, that there is still a better world that lies ahead for my two friends.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mrs MARINO</name>
    <name.id>HWP</name.id>
    <electorate>Forrest</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on this bipartisan motion, and I rise also to condemn Hamas and its militant terrorist attacks on Israel and its ongoing barbarity. I stand in support of Israel and the people of Jewish faith wherever they are living, whether it's in Israel, here in Australia or around the world. Like them, we mourn for the lives lost and pray for those still missing or those who have been taken hostage. There is endless trauma, worry and despair for the family and friends of the nearly 200 babies, children and adults who are still missing or being held hostage.</para>
<para>Make no mistake, this attack and killing of at least 1,300 people in one day was Israel's worst day since the Holocaust. I want to express my deepest sympathy and offer sincere condolences to the people and State of Israel; the Jewish members of parliament here in Australia, in particular my colleague the member for Berowra; as well as the Jewish community here in Australia, many of whom have family and friends who have been or are directly affected in Israel. None of us will forget where we were when we first heard of the horrendous attacks and saw the images as the attacks and atrocities unfolded. It was horror for us all and horror for the people in Israel. It was disgustingly savage, abhorrent brutality and a disgusting attack on Israeli citizens and civilians by Hamas. Hamas is a listed, prescribed terror organisation. Make no mistake, they are terrorists.</para>
<para>Many of us were thinking just how on earth we would have felt and what we would have done in our communities or homes when the 2,200 missiles started hitting. How would we have felt if it were our children, our grandchildren, our family, our friends or our own community members? We thought about the heartbreak we would have felt if our young family members were at the Nova music festival and among the 260 who were driven into the desert and indiscriminately gunned down. We thought about how we would be constantly reliving the terror that these young people felt as they tried to escape. We thought about how we would have felt if it were our family, friends or neighbours who were shot as they tried to flee or get to safety and were shot in their vehicles.</para>
<para>But we could never understand the extraordinary and dreadful brutality of babies being beheaded or killed in their cots. How on earth would we live with the sheer terror of the brutality on women—women who we know or knew or loved, naked, abused and openly paraded through our streets? How would we feel? I grieve for those who used their bodies to cover their children as the jihadists cheered and jeered and took hostage the elderly and kidnapped and abducted babies and children—the sheer heartache of that. I will never forget the father crying in relief because his daughter was found dead and was not being held hostage and subjected to the most vile and unimaginable torture and abuse at the hands of Hamas.</para>
<para>If this were to happen in Australia, Australians would not only be outraged; they would demand that the government respond with whatever force necessary to rescue our people and respond to any and every ongoing threat. Knowing what the expectations of Australians would rightly be, I've always been proud to be an Australian. But, for the first time, I was profoundly ashamed and angry when I saw the lack of response to the rally held at the Sydney Opera House as it happened. It's something that I never thought I'd see or that I thought would be condoned in Australia. We saw the pain and suffering of the Jewish Australians compounded by a lack of action and profoundly disgusting comments coming from the group saying, 'Gas the Jews,' and much worse.</para>
<para>The fact that the Australian Jewish community could not safely gather to see the Opera House lit up in their country's blue and white as a sign of support and comfort was beyond belief for me as a proud Australian citizen. I never ever thought I would see the day when Jewish people in Sydney would be told that they weren't safe at the Opera House. I was even more outraged to see that the only person who was arrested was a man carrying an Israeli flag. Again, that is totally un-Australian. I want to see those offenders charged. It was an illegal protest, and there was antisemitic hate speech. We've not seen this level of antisemitism in Australia ever before. I understand how vulnerable Jewish people are feeling. Jewish children should feel safe wearing their school uniforms and going to their schools, and Jewish people should feel safe in Australia.</para>
<para>But I have been really concerned, as I heard discussed by the shadow minister Sarah Henderson, about antisemitism in our universities. The fact that two-thirds of Jewish students on Australian university campuses have experienced antisemitism and the lack of action from our academics in this regard, in my view, are reprehensible. At Sydney University, we saw dreadful signs, which the academics and the administration ignored. They took no action. This is not Australia or Australian. I understand there were academics who attended the protests, and I find that appalling as well, given what was said and done at that protest. This is Australia. I hope the perpetrators have been identified, continue to be identified and, if they're on a visa, like the Leader of the Opposition has called for, have their visas cancelled and are deported from our country. The government needs to report these numbers to the parliament so that we all know exactly what action has been taken. These are just some of what has been perpetrated against the Israeli people, deliberate acts of violence in Israel directly intended to inflict maximum harm on innocent civilians by Hamas.</para>
<para>There is global support for Israel, its right to exist and its right to self-defence. The resistance to antisemitism in all its forms is crucial. But I do want to just raise a quiet issue. The House knows the amount of work that I've done in the cyber and online space. I want to encourage every Australian parent to take particularly great care of their children in their online activities, given that there are the most horrendous videos. What's out there to be seen and the impact it has on young minds really concern me. So I'm encouraging every Australian parent to take a particularly careful approach with what your young people are viewing online.</para>
<para>All of this has been appalling, both for Israelis and now for Palestinians. In Australia, we have been and are one of the most successful multicultural countries in the world, which is why what happened at the Opera House was so appalling and so confronting for us. This has been achieved through hard work over many decades, with broad political support and genuine goodwill and efforts from so many Australians. We see the welcoming of each new group of migrants who come to this country and the broad community celebrations at each citizenship ceremony. I'm sure every member of parliament has that same experience. There are Australians, new Australians, supporters—everyone is so happy and so delighted to be part of our country and chooses to become an Australian citizen. I want them to be able to live and be safe in and enjoy our country in the way that we always have so we don't need to see any of this divide us.</para>
<para>We saw the evil extended to the people in Israel at the hands of Hamas, and, from what the Palestinians are now facing as well, we do know that Hamas is using Palestinian people as human shields. There is no value on those civilian lives. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr WILLCOX</name>
    <name.id>286535</name.id>
    <electorate>Dawson</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise today to support the bipartisan motion that's before us, and I thank the Prime Minister for putting this forward. I need to be on the record for my strong condemnation of the Hamas attacks on Israel. They are absolutely disgraceful. Let's face it: Hamas is a terrorist organisation. I'm sure that there are a lot of Palestinians who are equally very devastated by what Hamas has done. I'm sure that a lot of the Palestinians are, just like us, going about their business, raising their families and trying to do the best they can. But Hamas is a terrorist organisation which is doing these abhorrent things.</para>
<para>There are the reports and stories of what we've seen—the footage that we've seen—with men, women, children and babies murdered. Their throats were cut or they were burned. Women were raped and paraded through the streets. These are absolute acts of brutality and nothing short of a disgrace. We are in 2023! This sort of stuff went on in the medieval days and here we are with it going on again. There are over 1,400 dead and counting. There have been more losses by the Jews than we have seen since the Holocaust—absolutely disgraceful! These were unprovoked attacks, and it's going on and on.</para>
<para>We might think that, yes, this is a world away; it's on the other side of the world. But it's affecting Australia. It's affecting my electorate of Dawson and its affecting Mackay. A young lady, Chantelle Matthews, a Mackay resident, was over there doing a Bible tour in Israel. She had been to Greece and to Macedonia, and she was going through Israel. She wanted to go to Jerusalem to walk in the steps of Jesus. And then the conflict broke out. Chantelle Matthews ended up in a bunker with little food, little water and no toilet facilities for days and days. We found out about this and my office contacted her mum, Lil Matthews, who has been a tower of strength through this whole ordeal. I actually made contact with Chantelle through WhatsApp. It was intermittent, because they kept turning the communications on and off because of what was happening with the military conflicts over there. My office and I contacted DFAT, the emergency consulate and Minister Penny Wong. I want to put on the record that all three worked very well and we actually got Chantelle out. Chantelle is now in Dubai, where she is resting. She's a bit scarred and emotionally drained by this experience. But it's very important that people know that when we do have something go wrong with our Australian people we definitely do everything we possibly can to get them out and to look after them.</para>
<para>From the bunker, Chantelle had to make a trek for about an hour across to Tel Aviv. That was a bit dicey; they weren't quite sure how that was going to go because there was conflict happening. She could hear the bombs and the missiles going overhead. Of course, it was a very fluid situation so they couldn't take her out straightaway; they weren't quite sure of control of the air space. There would have been nothing worse than having a Qantas flight with our people on it hit by a missile. A big thank you to Qantas, actually, for making the effort to get our people out of there. So Chantelle is in Dubai and heading home. Hopefully, that story is going to end well, but the story is not going well in Israel at this present point in time and I think it's only going to get worse.</para>
<para>While we were doing this we had the events at the Sydney Opera House. While we were trying to get one of our own home we saw those disgraceful acts. The Opera House was coloured to show some support for our Israeli friends and then we had the group—I call them terrorists—of very, very ordinary people who were protesting and burning flags, saying, 'Gas the Jews!' and expletives about them. It was absolutely disgraceful. I'm a man who is for free speech. I think you should be able to say what you want to say. If you want to protest, get a permit and be lawful and do what you're going to do. But I've got a tip for you. You're not going to get too much support from people in Australia by acting like this. If you want to get people in Australia on side, you need to put some very good points forward and convince the people of that. There is no room in our country for burning flags, for inciting violence and for doing the wrong thing. We need to respect each other.</para>
<para>I've travelled all over Israel. Israel is a beautiful country. It's got beautiful people. I've done the Holy Land tour. I tell you what, when I was there, it was really peaceful. I would not want to be there at this point in time.</para>
<para>Folks, this leads me to another thing. The Prime Minister moved this motion in good faith. It was accepted by the Leader of the Opposition, Peter Dutton, and enjoyed some respect on both sides. However, it beggars belief to me that some of the Greens and some of the teals could vote against this. I'm very interested to listen to the contributions they have and to ask why, because this was a motion for us to show Israel that we support them. It was also a motion to show all the world that Australians do not put up with brutality and barbarity. We are a peaceful, loving nation and we will support each other.</para>
<para>What I'm calling for is peace. I fully understand that Israelis have the right to defend themselves, and we need to track down Hamas, the terrorists, and make sure that they are punished. But we really need to find a peaceful solution and a resolution so we never have to go through this again. I feel that there are going to be some more issues in front of us, but we really need to come up with a peaceful resolution, and that's what I hope and pray for.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PRICE</name>
    <name.id>249308</name.id>
    <electorate>Durack</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The day of 7 October 2023 will be forever remembered as one of the darkest days in Jewish and Israeli history. Not since the Holocaust have so many Jewish lives been lost in one single day, with the Israeli death toll from the attack now above 1,400 people.</para>
<para>The shocking nature of this attack cannot be overstated or ignored. Hamas terrorists crossed the border into Israel and indiscriminately targeted civilians, not military targets. Entire families were executed as hit squads went door to door, killing everyone inside, from infants to the elderly. At the Nova music festival, 260 people were slain. These were young Israelis trying to enjoy their youth. They were simply at a music festival, just enjoying themselves, but they were murdered for the 'crime' of being Israeli and Jewish. Along with the many slain, raped and injured, hundreds of Israeli citizens were taken hostage and forced into the Gaza Strip. These are blatant terrorist acts and war crimes. Such crimes cannot be defended or explained away. The comparisons to ISIS by members across the chamber and by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are completely fair and self-evident. Like ISIS, Hamas has entertained the idea of executing these hostages on camera.</para>
<para>I acknowledge that now is a very difficult time for the Australian Jewish community, many of whom have links to those who have been targeted in Israel. This pain has only been exacerbated by the shameful events that occurred on the steps of the Sydney Opera House, where we heard chants of 'gas the Jews'. To think that, in Australia, in the year of 2023, we have people calling for another Holocaust is simply unfathomable.</para>
<para>I endorse the Leader of the Opposition's call for the visas of noncitizens who engaged in such hateful rhetoric to be cancelled and for those noncitizens to be deported. There is no place in Australia for terrorist apologists or antisemitism. I also acknowledge the government's actions to help those Australians in Israel. My office was contacted by a group from Geraldton who were visiting Israel at the time, who were looking for a way home. I'm very pleased to have offered my assistance, and I'm grateful that they're among the many Australians who have now been able to arrive home safely. But theirs was an incredibly frightening situation. They experienced cancelled flights, great uncertainty about their own safety and sleepless nights before they eventually flew home to their loved ones in Western Australia.</para>
<para>My thoughts also go out to the many innocent Palestinian civilians across the Gaza Strip and to their Australian families and friends. Thousands of Palestinians have died, including many children, since the attack. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people and certainly does not have their best interests in mind. Palestinians' hopes for their own state have only been delayed by the violent and hateful actions of Hamas. Hamas must have known that unleashing such terror on Israeli citizens would result in a significant and necessary retaliation. I urge the protection of civilians to be considered in every action, acknowledging that while Hamas targets Israeli citizens they are also using innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields.</para>
<para>On Monday I was proud to stand with members across this House in supporting the Prime Minister's motion that condemned these horrific actions, recognised Israel's right to self-defence and called out both antisemitism and Islamophobia. The motion received widespread support, as it should have, except from the Greens political party. Honestly, how could the Greens, the party of microaggressions and hypersensitivity, the party who preaches to be the ultimate supporter of women's and gay rights, have failed to recognise what Hamas is?</para>
<para>In the aftermath of the unprovoked attack, I'm pleased that Parliament House, along with the Opera House, was lit up in the colours of Israel as a mark of solidarity. Unbelievably, the response by Greens senator Faruqi, labelling this act as one colonial government supporting another, needs to be condemned. The Greens should be ashamed of themselves.</para>
<para>There is no moral equivalency between Hamas and Israel. Hamas are committed to the complete destruction of Israel and the annihilation of the Jewish people. Hamas has proven that it is an existential threat to Israel. Not only does Israel have a right to self-defence; it has an obligation to the living, to the fallen and to its own people who are still being held hostage. They have an obligation to root out the evil perpetrators that are Hamas.</para>
<para>I understand that the situation is evolving and that action from Hezbollah and Iran is currently being contemplated. Such involvement could turn the conflict in the Gaza Strip into a war that covers much of the Middle East. Israel's right to self-defence will extend to any escalation that is brought on by these other agents of terror. However, I sincerely hope that cooler heads prevail and that such a catastrophic sequence of events is avoided. I'm sure everyone in the House feels the same way.</para>
<para>Israel is the world's only Jewish state and is the home of a strong and resilient people who have consistently suffered the most callous and savage attacks throughout history, from exile to the Holocaust and now Hamas terrorism. This is a pivotal moment for the world, and it is important that we let the world know exactly where Australia stands. We stand with Israel. We stand with its people.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr PASIN</name>
    <name.id>240756</name.id>
    <electorate>Barker</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of the people of Barker I want to take this opportunity to express our collective support for the people of Israel, the Israelis, and the state of Israel. In so doing I lend my support and that of my constituents to this motion condemning the activity of Hamas.</para>
<para>This can be described no other way than as an egregious act of terror. The images that have been seen don't bear discussion. Indeed, in many cases, people have found them impossible to view. I'm one of those individuals. I can't bring myself to even look at these images. In one sense, the horror is unspeakable. These are the actions of terrorists; these are not the actions of a nation state. We send our support and also our love, prayers and concern to Israelis all over the world and to the state of Israel.</para>
<para>There are some comments that I'd like to make that are broader than that. I might not have been able to view the images, but I certainly viewed behaviour inside this nation, which I found disgusting and deplorable—people celebrating the actions of terrorists, people chanting words like 'from the river to the sea' and, of course, as the Leader of the Opposition made plain in this place, a phrase which I didn't think anyone living in this free and fair country would ever utter but bears repeating because it's important that we understand: 'Gas the Jews.' I'm disgusted as an Australian citizen. I am disgusted as a member of parliament. But those are the facts, and we need to face up to them.</para>
<para>I'm similarly disappointed by those in the civic square who have embarked upon an exercise in equivalence. There can be no equivalence here. Hamas have deliberately targeted civilians. In response, the IDF is doing everything it can to avoid civilian casualties. These were the actions of terrorists, and so it is right that it is being described around the world—by the Israeli president himself, by other world leaders and also in this country—as Israel's September 11. That's exactly what we're dealing with here. These false equivalences, with respect, are incredibly dangerous. Some have sought to justify these behaviours. There can be no justification for these acts of extreme violence, of terror. These acts were perpetrated to not only send messages but send terror through that country and through other nations. To hear that young people in this country and families fear young people wearing Jewish school uniforms really does shake me to my core beliefs. But that's where we're at right now.</para>
<para>Like others in this place, I've had the great privilege of visiting Israel. I do a lot of travel in my electorate, so I'm not the first one to line up for overseas trips. I've only ever been away twice in the ten years that I've served in this place—once with the support of the Australia-Israel Jewish alliance and, not that it's important, a separate trip to support our timber exports to Japan. But it's telling that, like others in this place, I visited Sderot, which is in close proximity to Gaza. We visited the police station that was attacked. We visited a playground where I thought concrete pipes were strangely arranged in the distance, only to be told that that's where young children are taught to hide in the event of a missile attack. I saw these improvised missiles that had been recovered and placed into storage. These missiles are barbaric in nature; the activities are barbaric in nature. But having been there, having spoken to people who, right now, find themselves on the front line—it's very difficult.</para>
<para>To the Israeli ambassador, who is a friend of this place on both sides of the aisle—I want to tell him that my electorate and the broader South Australian community are in complete support of the efforts. This isn't a war that Israel wanted, as he made clear to us in the party room, but it's one they're intent on winning. I send them all the strength I can. This is a very dark period.</para>
<para>To reinforce how surprised I was—and I think the rest of the world was—my sister was scheduled to travel to Israel in about three weeks on a religious pilgrimage. She asked me about three months ago whether I thought it was safe. I said, 'Angela, the mood in Israel can be febrile, but my assessment at this stage is that it's as good as it's been for a while.' Obviously that trip is cancelled. But to think that we have gone from what we thought was a process that would get us lasting peace to Israel's version of 9/11 so quickly reminds me that I never thought we would see war in Europe again either. Yet we have seen that in Russia's illegal, immoral war in Ukraine.</para>
<para>It should remind all of us that we need to remain vigilant. While some like to suggest that members of parliament can sometimes be war hungry and warmongers in our attempts to fund our defence forces, it's just a reminder that we need to stay ever vigilant because what we thought, or at least what I thought, could never be again—war in Europe—is now a reality in Ukraine. What I thought was, let's say in relative terms, a settled environment or a calmer environment, on balance, in Israel, has now turned into these grotesque acts of terror. In what we might think is a relatively stable region—our own—it reminds us why we need to be ever vigilant.</para>
<para>In the time I have remaining, I extend, one last time on behalf of the people of Barker, my strongest support, prayers and concerns to the people of Israel and the State of Israel. I hope all will be well. We'll need to be patient, as the ambassador asked us to be in the party room, but let's hope this war can be won and let's hope the world can be rid of Hamas and its terror.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms WATSON-BROWN</name>
    <name.id>300127</name.id>
    <electorate>Ryan</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think we've all been watching the news over these past two weeks in utter horror at what has been happening in Israel and Palestine. The Greens and I condemn the horrific attacks against civilians perpetrated by both Hamas and the Israeli military. There is no justification for this kind of violence. There is also no justification, as many other speakers have said, for antisemitism or Islamophobia here in Australia. We all deserve to feel safe in our own communities.</para>
<para>Over 1,000 Israelis and over 3,000 Palestinians have been killed in this conflict so far. I won't pretend it's easy, but we must talk openly and honestly about what it will take to end this cycle of violence and ensure lasting peace for millions of Israelis and Palestinians. There must be an urgent ceasefire and end to the invasion of Gaza, there must be an end to the blockade of Gaza and the occupation of Palestinian territories and there must be an internationally coordinated reconstruction program to ensure infrastructure and community can be re-established in the Gaza Strip so all are able to live good, flourishing lives.</para>
<para>Let's lay out the facts about what life is actually like for ordinary Palestinians in Gaza. Gaza has been described by many as an 'open-air prison'. Movements in and out are controlled under a strict permit system operated by the Israeli government. Ninety-seven per cent of the water in Gaza is undrinkable. The import of basic necessities like food and medicine is strictly controlled by the Israelis. They can cut off food, water and medical supplies at any time and, indeed, have done so at time of speaking. Electricity in Gaza is also extremely limited. That is something that's essential for the running of hospitals and other public services. I think we'd all agree that people need hospitals. Eighty-two per cent of Gazans are unable to refrigerate food. The skies above Gaza constantly hum with the buzz of Israeli surveillance drones like something out of a dystopian novel. It's estimated that 50 per cent of the Gazan population are children. That means the majority would not have known life before the blockade.</para>
<para>In 2018 and 2019, Palestinians peacefully marched on the border checkpoints, calling for peace. It's estimated that around 200 were killed and thousands injured after being shot by the Israeli military. In one particularly harrowing incident, a young medic in a white coat was fatally shot while trying to tend the wounded, reportedly with her hands raised. We need to be clear about this: These brutal conditions—and they are not compatible with peace—amount to collective punishment for a crime that most Palestinians did not commit.</para>
<para>Since the utterly horrific attack by Hamas on 7 October—and the Hamas attack was horrific and should be roundly condemned, and we condemn it—Israel has used this attack to justify unprecedented violence against civilians in Gaza. There is no justification for these actions and there is no justification for countries like Australia and for the Labor government to be supporting these actions, which can be described as war crimes and breaches of international law. The Israeli defence minister has referred to Palestinians as 'human animals' and said that Israel will 'act accordingly', and Netanyahu has said, 'This is only the beginning.' In that context, saying that we stand with Israel and not condemning this incredibly dangerous language used in the run-up to the worst crimes against humanity in history is criminal. We cannot stand by while thousands have died and potentially millions are to be displaced.</para>
<para>Just this morning we learned of the bombing of a major hospital in Gaza city, killing 500. It has been reported in the past week that the Israeli military have used white phosphorus and bombed civilian escape routes. They have also cut off supplies of food, water, medicines and electricity. Gazans injured in the conflict essentially have no hope of proper medical treatment—that's a war crime—leaving many to die of their injuries, and that is really the crux of it. That is the effect of the blockade: to rob Gazans of the hope for a better future, to rob a lot of them of hope for any future. They have no hope of a good life for themselves or for their children. There will be no peace until hope is restored to the Palestinian people and they are allowed freedom and self-determination.</para>
<para>Australia must join calls for a ceasefire and put a stop to the Gaza invasion, an end to the long-term Gaza blockade and illegal settlements in the West Bank. Labor needs to stop running cover for the IDF and not just condemn, as we do, the terrible Hamas attack but also the war crimes and the breaches of international law by the Israeli military.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr KATTER</name>
    <name.id>HX4</name.id>
    <electorate>Kennedy</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It is my misfortune to be born when I was born, because I ended up wearing a uniform for half of my life. Thank goodness, the war blew over in Indonesia before my battalion was up there.</para>
<para>But if you start a war then you take the blame for what happens afterwards. I have never heard anything as disgusting and terrible as I have just heard here, after 50 years in parliament! These people crossed the border and murdered babies—they cut their throats and put it on film. They raped little, young women and put it on film, advertising it to the world. They invaded somebody else's country and started killing people. When you do that, you sow the wind and so you will reap the whirlwind. I am just absolutely disgusted that I'm in a parliament with people who would come and justify, protect and advocate for them!</para>
<para>I don't hesitate to remind people that six million of these poor people were murdered in Europe, and not a single country on the earth would take the 'Ship of Shame'. There were 250,000 refugees, and Australia knocked them back, America knocked them back, Brazil knocked them back and France knocked them back. No-one would take them; they were just left there to be murdered in the ghettos. Who can blame these people for taking a slice of someone's land somewhere for themselves? Who could blame them for doing that? Tell me what you would have done if you were a Jew being persecuted like that? You tell me what you would have done. There is no doubt in my mind where I would have been.</para>
<para>These people are saying, 'Oh, the land was taken off us.' I have some forebears who were Celts. The Romans came and took the land off them. Then, when the Romans left, the Angles came and took the land off them. And when the Angles left, or settled down, the Saxons came and took the land off them. And when they left, the Norman-French came in and took the land off them. If you're complaining about someone taking the land off you then find a country on earth that wasn't taken off somebody somewhere.</para>
<para>In these countries there is just continuous warfare. There's something terrible about these countries in the Middle East. That's because there's just continuous warfare going on forever. I don't know that it's a good idea to read history books, but the southern half of Europe was under the Ottomans. They took 50,000 slaves a year and the young men were sent as janissaries. They were taken from their parents under the age of 12 and turned into what we would today call suicide bombers. They were the janissaries and they led the warfare conducted by the Ottomans through Portugal, Spain, all of Northern Africa and southern Europe. The southern half of Italy was under the Ottomans and this continued for century after century. They attacked the capital of Europe, Vienna, putting it under siege in the 1700s. That's not ancient history here, it's relatively localised history.</para>
<para>Once that was over they then started doing it to each other. There's a continuous pattern of behaviour here, and you can't just ignore history or turn a blind eye to what's going on. But that's what we've heard from people in the parliament of Australia, a place I would like to think advocates for freedom, rights, liberties and those wonderful words that start the American Declaration on the Rights and Duties of Man: 'All men are born free and equal, and their creator endows them with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.' Would there be a single country in the Middle East that would subscribe to those principles? We put on our flag a Christian cross, a bloke who died nailed to a cross. That's who we put on our flag.</para>
<para>Debate interrupted.</para>
</speech>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>ADJOURNMENT</title>
        <page.no>107</page.no>
        <type>ADJOURNMENT</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Dyslexia Awareness Month, Pacific Tug</title>
          <page.no>107</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr PITT</name>
    <name.id>148150</name.id>
    <electorate>Hinkler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This month is Dyslexia Awareness Month, and 11-year-old George Rowland from Hervey Bay wrote to me recently about the fact that it is Dyslexia Awareness Month, which is held right through October. George was diagnosed with dyslexia and dysgraphia when he was eight years old, and he has been raising awareness within his school and the wider community. For the past two years he has written to the Fraser Coast Mayor to ask him to light up the Esplanade in Hervey Bay and City Hall in Maryborough in red for Dyslexia Awareness Month, which the council has done. As a result of his advocacy, every teacher at George's school, St James Lutheran College, is completing training provided by charity organisation Made By Dyslexia to understand dyslexia better. George is in year 6, and he has written to every principal in Hervey Bay and in Maryborough, which is in the electorate of Wide Bay, the electorate of my colleague the member for Wide Bay, Llew O'Brien, asking them to also consider their teachers undertake the same training. George, congratulations on your raising awareness about dyslexia. We will give you the double thumbs up—great job, George.</para>
<para>On a different matter, just over two weeks ago a very important project in my electorate of Hinkler was officially opened. I want to congratulate Pacific Tug and the Peters family on getting stage 1 of this very economically important project completed and officially opened. It was a surprise to me, I have to say, because guess who showed up to open it? The Treasurer! The Treasurer showed up for the opening. I don't know if he brought a plaque, but he brought a RAAF plane when showed up with the support of the RAAF, as he's entitled to do. But he didn't bring an announcement. He brought no announcements whatsoever—no funding, no money, no extras. He may have brought his golfclubs, I don't know. I have invited the Deputy Prime Minister to bring his golfclubs to town, but he hasn't done that. This is a long-running project that has been difficult to get to completion. But it is done, and stage 1 of the Pacific Marine Base at the Port of Bundaberg is a gamechanger for the region. I expect and hope—and this is the reason we as a coalition government invested in it—that it will be a catalyst for more investment in what is an underutilised river port in Bundaberg.</para>
<para>The funding for the project came from our Building Better Regions Fund, which has now been scrapped, incidentally, by the Albanese government. It was first announced in August 2017, so you can imagine my surprise to have the Treasurer turn up for a project that we announced and funded and was predominantly built under our governance. That being said, the marine base will be a hub where maintenance can be carried out on vessels, and it will provide a cargo barge facility that's suitable for intrastate and Pacific Island trade—I think that is a really important point. The ability to do maintenance and delivery for the barge fleet into the Pacific is an important part of what Australia and the Pacific do to keep people fed and provided with equipment. The base includes a hard stand to support heavy-industry activities, a roll-on, roll-off facility and a commercial vessel wharf for the temporary berth of vessels at the site. To give you an idea of just how large and important this facility is, when it was being constructed it had a 600-tonne derrick crane on top of it. Capacity of 600 tonnes is quite impressive in a river port in regional Queensland.</para>
<para>Unfortunately, there were a number of delays to the project. I did have to seek a finding extension in October 2019, mainly because we had to wait two years for the Queensland state Labor government to give approvals for a port that they own and for which they have absolute oversight as only they need to provide those approvals. Similar projects in Brisbane—almost exactly the same—were approved in months. But for Bundaberg and the people of Bundaberg, for the region and for Hinkler, it took two years. Then the COVID pandemic hit, and once again we went to bat for Pacific Tug to advocate for extensions to the funding agreement, which were secured and allowed the project to be completed. The Port of Bundaberg has had untapped potential for many years. It is a sugar port. Unfortunately, the sugar industry locally is in decline—there is less sugar now than there was even 10 years ago, no matter 20 years ago—but the ability for things like the common-use conveyor, which was funded by the coalition government, and this marine base to add additional economic capability to the port is incredibly important. It will be the catalyst and driver for many jobs into the future.</para>
<para>Congratulations to Pacific Tug and the Pacific Marine Base expansion. I hope they do move on to the second stage and continue to expand, because this linking infrastructure drives new companies, new businesses and new jobs into the region, and that's why we're here.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Youth Voice in Parliament, Aged Care</title>
          <page.no>108</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STANLEY</name>
    <name.id>265990</name.id>
    <electorate>Werriwa</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Raise Our Voice Australia is an initiative that's been running for the last three years, connecting young people in our communities with their local representatives. Each year, young voices are amplified in the parliament, and I'm proud to be taking part once again. The voices of young Australians—their ideas and thoughts—deserve to be heard. It's their future we influence in this House every day.</para>
<para>This year the speech is from Zainab, who lives in my community. This is her speech:</para>
<quote><para class="block">My name is Zainab Rezwar and I'm 13 years old.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">…   …   …</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Improving sustainability and addressing climate change would make Australia a better place for future generations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This issue is important to discuss and come up with solutions, as improving sustainability and addressing climate change will contribute to lasting global prosperity and stability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The changes made will influence all of our futures.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Parliament will be able to support this by doing the following:</para></quote>
<list>Implementing strong climate change policies that promote renewable energy transition, set emission reduction targets, and foster green technology innovation.</list>
<list>Pass laws to protect and conserve natural habitats, biodiversity, and water resources, while also addressing issues like deforestation and land degradation.</list>
<list>Allocate resources to improve education by focusing on STEM programs to foster sustainability awareness.</list>
<list>Investing in sustainable infrastructure projects to minimise environmental impact.</list>
<list>Create long-term plans that prioritise the well-being of future generations in resource management and policy implementation decisions.</list>
<quote><para class="block">These solutions, along with public participation, will help the Parliament create a better future for generations to come.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As our leaders, you should help improve sustainability and address climate change before there is no earth to take care of.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Act now before it's too late.</para></quote>
<para>I am really proud to be able to read Zainab's words, and note that the Albanese government is committed, like her, to making sure we have taken steps to address climate change. However, the voice of young Australians is often ignored, and it's a shame, because we have so much to learn from them.</para>
<para>That is why I was glad to have recently visited Whiddon care home in Glenfield. There was the sound of children laughing, playing and enjoying morning tea, and listening to Elvis sing, over a barbeque lunch. This was a diverse set of experiences I was treated to when I visited.</para>
<para>My visit began with a stop at Arthur Webb Court, where students from Glenwood Public School were visiting their adoptive grandparents for morning tea and games. The joy on the faces of the young and the not so young was wonderful. Despite the obvious age difference of decades, it was clear that everyone enjoyed their time together and their regular catch-ups; there were certainly lots of hugs and colouring-in going on. I congratulate Principal Jay McInney and his teachers for this initiative.</para>
<para>Previously, older students from the school made a chess set for one of their grand-buddies. That was a suitable gift for someone who loved chess, but the arthritis in his hands made it too difficult to play. So they constructed, from 3D printing, chess pieces that he was able to pick up. It was lovely that they were able to come up with these gifts over time.</para>
<para>The other official reason to be at Whiddon home was to celebrate the 12-month anniversary of the men's shed, which was partially funding by a grant from the federal government's Stronger Communities Program. Over a barbecue lunch, including some more Elvis cover songs, I learned about the positive impact the men's shed is having on the residents of the home. I'd like to thank the CEO of Whiddon, Chris Mamarelis, for his kind invitation. Whiddon at Glenfield is making a positive impact on lives both young and old.</para>
<para>I'd also like to give a big shout-out to the aged-care workers for all they do in aged-care settings all through my electorate but particularly at Whiddon. Their work is invaluable and deserves to be recognised. I acknowledge the HSU, who fight for our aged-care workers and ensure they can continue to provide care for older Australians in a safe workplace. I'm proud to be part of a government that values our aged-care workers, making sure that there was a recent increase in the pay and there are new mandatory minimum care minutes and free training progress. It was a wonderful time to be out in my electorate. I really enjoyed everything I saw, and I would like to thank them.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Constitution: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice</title>
          <page.no>109</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms PRICE</name>
    <name.id>249308</name.id>
    <electorate>Durack</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On Saturday, the Prime Minister's proposition for an untried voice to be inserted into the Constitution was rejected in every state of our nation. The result could not have been more conclusive. According to the current count, 63.8 per cent of my home state of WA voted no, as did 72 per cent of my electorate of Durack. Whilst we thank sincerely all the volunteers and acknowledge how lucky we are to have free and fair referendums in this country, there's no escaping that most Australians believe this was a complete waste of time and money. The referendum cost taxpayers $450 million during the most extreme cost-of-living crisis in decades, a referendum that delivered nothing except division.</para>
<para>But it didn't have to be this way. The Prime Minister continuously dismissed practical concerns and questions and instead went all in on the vibe of the Voice. He refused to hold a constitutional convention and chose not to strike a compromise that could have succeeded. To lose in such a landslide is an indictment on his leadership. I think it's clear he has lost some standing within his own party. Indeed, by the looks of the faces sitting opposite me over the last few days, I think it's more than just a little bit of standing. This week we have seen the government's support for Israel be undermined by his own caucus. Not only has he let down the activist wing of his party but he has also let down our Indigenous Australians.</para>
<para>Some from the 'yes' campaign have proclaimed this result a rejection of the Indigenous community. Frankly, that could not be farther from the truth. 'Yes' and 'no' voters alike have expressed that the status quo is not acceptable and that they want us to support our most marginalised. In fact, I would argue that there has never been more focus on Indigenous advantage in this country. To do so, I argue that we must begin by being honest about the problems that exist. This means not being afraid to challenge the politically correct climate and focusing on the programs that we know work and are desperately needed—programs to address the big issues of getting more kids to school, making the home a safe place, stopping kids from having kids and helping parents to have skills and a job. It's common sense that the biggest threat to the success of the next generation isn't what happened decades ago or centuries ago but what is happening today. Yet Labor are standing in the way of practical solutions.</para>
<para>Yesterday, in the other place, Labor and the Greens voted against a motion calling for a royal commission into child sexual abuse in Indigenous communities. Such an inquiry would practically address the disgraceful abuse being inflicted today. Protecting children from harm should be our No. 1 priority in this place, even if it highlights an ugly reality. Quite frankly, we've just got to be brave enough, and we're not. The motion also called for an inquiry into the current billions of dollars of expenditure in this space. An audit would be a good step in acknowledging the waste, mismanagement and perhaps fraud that have occurred in this space and distinguish the worthiest programs.</para>
<para>Our forward-looking strategy should consist, firstly, of income management for welfare recipients in our most vulnerable communities, like the cashless debit card. This would get more food on the dinner table and less alcohol abuse in the household. We also need to acknowledge the scourge of domestic violence. Between 2015 and 2019, an Indigenous female was 7.6 times more likely to die by homicide than a non-Indigenous female.</para>
<para>Yet we know far more attention is paid when the victim is a middle-class white woman in the suburbs, rather than an Indigenous woman in regional Australia. Frankly, this is shameful, and we need to really address these issues. Why are we discriminating against Aboriginal women? Honestly, it breaks my heart when I think about the women in my electorate—that nobody thinks that what happens to them is important. But, likewise, we should be investing in education and youth diversion programs that seek to increase school attendance and healthy relationships between Indigenous kids and their community.</para>
<para>I want to mention two wonderful women I met last night from my electorate, Sarka and Keda, who are participants in this year's National Rural Women's Coalition Leadership and Advocacy Muster. Thank you for your leadership and thank you for standing up, putting your head above the parapet and trying to find solutions for our Australian Aboriginals.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Blair Electorate: JBS Dinmore Meatworks, Vocational Education and Training, Employment</title>
          <page.no>110</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr NEUMANN</name>
    <name.id>HVO</name.id>
    <electorate>Blair</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll speak about local jobs in my electorate, the new National Skills Agreement and the employment white paper. Recently I visited JBS meat processing plant at Dinmore, after JBS announced it will create more than 500 new local jobs. JBS is the biggest single non-government employer in the city of Ipswich. To support local employment and increase demand for Aussie beef, the Dinmore plant will implement a second shift, to start early next year, and this will take the number of people employed at the site to over 1,800. In conjunction with JBS, I've written to local high-school principals to invite them to visit JBS Dinmore on 26 October to learn more about the exciting school-leaver opportunities available to their students. This round table will be really important. The principals will learn about the new flexible work initiatives on offer and the JBS school program, which will provide school based traineeships and clear pathways to employment for school leavers.</para>
<para>This week the National Cabinet agreed to unlock billions of dollars to build Australian skills and prosperity. The landmark five-year National Skills Agreement will embed national cooperation and strategic investment in our vocational education and training sector. The Albanese Labor government is prepared to invest $12.6 billion to expand and transform access to the VET sector, support quality training and implement reforms to address critical skills needs. This investment will include an extra $2.4 billion in flexible funding to deliver skills for critical and emerging industries including clean energy and the net zero transformation of the economy, advanced manufacturing, food, national security, construction, and care and support services, as well as to ensure Australia's digital and technological capacity is improved. This new investment is on top of the $414 million already committed to deliver 300,000 fee-free TAFE places from 2024.</para>
<para>We value and support TAFE. We believe it's at the heart of our education system. Australians are getting the skills they need, under this government. The previous government was defined by a decade of dithering and dysfunction. Nowhere was this more evident than in the VET sector. The utterly ineffective coalition government failed to land a national skills agreement with any state or territory. The TAFE sector has endured periods of underfunding, impacts of deregulation, loose rules on market entry, a lack of national cohesion and an obsession for competition at the expense of collaboration. This new agreement will bring people together.</para>
<para>Last year I hosted the Blair Jobs Summit in my electorate, and over 30 participants attended from the public and private sectors. They included Tivoli Social Enterprises, Q Shelter, JBS and West Moreton Health. Ipswich is one of the fastest-growing areas in Australia. We have enormous employment opportunities and potential for new investments in food and beverage manufacturing, meat processing, biotech, IT, defence industry and many others. This summit raised issues about skills and training, including addressing rising unemployment; the housing crisis, which was a recurring theme; and homelessness. These were all raised at the summit.</para>
<para>A year on from the national Jobs and Skills Summit, the Albanese government has released an employment white paper entitled <inline font-style="italic">Working </inline><inline font-style="italic">future</inline>. The white paper presents a vision for a dynamic and inclusive labour market in which everyone can secure fairly paid work and provides a road map to ensure more local employers and workers are able to meet, and make the most of, the big shifts underway in our economy and our society. This government's vision is underpinned by ambitious objectives, including a new, bolder full-employment objective to create an economy where everyone who wants a job is able to find one, without having to search too long. The white paper presents 31 future reform directions to guide the government's policymaking and consultation with industry, unions, the education sector and civil society organisations. It builds on the foundation of last year's national Jobs and Skills Summit and is informed by its extensive consultation and input across government, with more than 400 valuable submissions from stakeholders. It will help secure new opportunities for disadvantaged workers, including youths, mature-age workers, First Nations people, people from core communities, people with disabilities and veterans. It will provide fee-free TAFE places for our skilled workforce, at the heart establishing jobs and skills, reviewing our migration system and reforming welfare to work and Indigenous employment programs and disability employment services models.</para>
<para>These initiatives will build on substantial reforms. I commend them and look forward to the jobs summit in Ipswich.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Murray-Darling Basin</title>
          <page.no>111</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr RAMSEY</name>
    <name.id>HWS</name.id>
    <electorate>Grey</electorate>
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  <para>Today, sadly—even shamefully—this House passed the Water Amendment (Restoring Our Rivers) Bill 2023. During the debate, in the last parliamentary session, I made a contribution on this bill. After that time it came to my attention that the Senate, in their infinite wisdom, had decided to hold an inquiry into this bill even though it had not yet passed the House of Reps, and good on them! One can pass some kind of judgment on how much faith the government is putting into this House, because it's ramped through every bill and has the majority to do so.</para>
<para>It was decided in the Senate to have an inquiry, but then I was appalled to find out this inquiry, which would run for two separate days, would not go into the irrigation areas of the Murray-Darling system—those towns and communities that are set to bear the brunt of the resumption of the indiscriminate buyback of water licenses. There had been an agreement between the former minister, Minister Burke, and this parliament and the people of the Riverland, the people of the Sunraysia. We had an agreement. Where I come from, a man's handshake is an agreement. In this case it's been betrayed by the current government, and they're going back to indiscriminate buybacks.</para>
<para>As this Senate inquiry, unfortunately, was not game to go into the Riverland districts, there was a decision by the coalition agricultural backbench committee, which I chair, that we should take a committee there to hear their concerns. Over three days, we ventured into Shepparton; Mildura; Renmark, in South Australia; Griffith and Moree—the southern half of the basin. The stories we heard of the last buyback were really pretty rendering. I'll give you some quotes. Rosalie Auricht, CEO of the Renmark Irrigation Trust, said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">The exit package program from the Millenium Drought was devastating. We lost 10 percent of our land production … If water leaves our area, it never comes back.</para></quote>
<para>Barry Holman, the mayor of the Bourke Shire Council, said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">When they bought Toorale (station and water) it was like taking BHP out of Wollongong. Ten percent of our productivity was gone. It used to employ 100, now it employs three. Schools closed. We lost two tractor dealers and the Ford and Toyota dealerships.</para></quote>
<para>Then we heard from Roger Griffiths, the economic development manager at the Gannawarra Shire Council, in Mildura. He said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">When water trading started, we had about 350GL in our shire. It is now half of that. Schools are down 70 percent; dairy has been decimated … The last thing we want is more buybacks.</para></quote>
<para>Shane Sali, the mayor of the Greater Shepparton City Council, said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">If the additional 450GL, plus the remaining 300GL—</para></quote>
<para>which is the shortfall on the 2,750—</para>
<quote><para class="block">is to be sought as well, we expect the impact on our region will be a $900 million economic impact year on year. You rip people out of employment. You also take them out of volunteer work, community work, sporting clubs. The idea that you can compensate for that with a support package is impossible.</para></quote>
<para>I said I warned of all these things in my second reading speech—that there was an agreement in place here. It is not yet fulfilled.</para>
<para>We agree with the government's movement to extend the time frame. Perhaps we need more investment for more infrastructure changes within the Murray-Darling Basin to recover water for the environment, but to keep ripping it out of communities, to put their economies at risk, to hollow out the industries that sit there—what happens when the juice factory is no longer getting enough juice to keep the doors open for the rest of the growers? We know about hollowing-out in industry.</para>
<para>I'm really concerned. I could see the pain on the faces of the people that came to talk to us. The fact that the Senate inquiry would not go there, that a government minister would not go there to face these people, is appalling. They were extremely grateful that we could be there. We have written a report; we have put a report into that Senate inquiry. Let's hope they read it. And I hope there are enough crossbenchers in the Senate that will hear the cries and the pleas of these communities, and step up to the mark and actually stop this legislation going through the Senate.</para>
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          <title>Jacaranda Community Centre, Cybercrime</title>
          <page.no>112</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms MASCARENHAS</name>
    <name.id>298800</name.id>
    <electorate>Swan</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Swan is home to some amazing community organisations, and Jacaranda Community Centre is one of the best. It's one of the not-for-profit grassroots incorporated community organisations. Jacaranda started in the year 2000. The centre was started to meet the needs of the people living in the City of Belmont, which is in the heart of Swan. Eighty per cent of those people with needs are Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders. Jacaranda also extend their services to Aboriginal people from the wider metropolitan Perth area. It is an example of a community led, community driven, needs based organisation which is delivering services for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in need.</para>
<para>The team is an amazing group of really positive, passionate people that are working hard to make a positive difference in their community. They are dedicated and they have the interests of their clients at the forefront of everything that they do. They are headed up by the incredibly passionate CEO, Lyndsey Fitzgerald, and her team are committed to promoting, enhancing and maintaining the welfare and cultural needs of the people in Belmont and the surrounding areas.</para>
<para>Jacaranda provides a safe and exclusive space to facilitate community participation. It also provides a space for families and individuals to come together to build better lives and prosper. Services available at the centre include support to address housing and homelessness, health, legal issues, family functioning and debt, and financial counselling. Jacaranda also plays an important role in promoting and developing community partnerships and in raising the needs of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders.</para>
<para>It's why, when the opportunity came to welcome the Assistant Treasurer and Minister for Financial Services to the electorate of Swan, I made sure that we included a visit to Jacaranda. It was wonderful to have the Assistant Treasurer in the electorate. We had morning tea with staff and volunteers, and it was really great to have the opportunity to hear about some of the issues at the ground level and from the coalface. We talked about a lot of things, from the cost of living to housing, as well as the financial challenges of their clients. We got to talk about some of the things that we're doing from a federal government perspective, and this also included talking about scams.</para>
<para>The truth is that scammers have been on the rise, and this ranges from random text messages that are becoming increasingly clever at catching people out, to phone calls. Scams have robbed our community of billions of dollars, and, unfortunately, scammers don't discriminate. They want anyone's money and they will hit the most vulnerable people. Being the victim of a scam can put people in a really difficult situation and even into a more precarious one.</para>
<para>So, working with people like Jacaranda, the government have put new measures in place to combat scams. This includes the world-leading National Anti-Scam Centre. We've also produced <inline font-style="italic">The little black book of scams</inline>. This is a valuable resource that was snapped up by staff and clients at Jacaranda that morning.</para>
<para>At Jacaranda we also talked about the importance of financial counselling, and that's because there's a recognition that financial wellbeing has a fundamental impact on overall wellbeing. These are services that are made available by Jacaranda to help people who need support in managing debt and credit concerns.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The House transcript was published up to 20:00. The remainder of the transcript will be published progressively as it is completed.</inline></para>
<para>The DEPUTY SPEAKER ( Mrs Archer ) took the chair at 09:29.</para>
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        <title>CONSTITUENCY STATEMENTS</title>
        <page.no>114</page.no>
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          <title>Asylum Seekers</title>
          <page.no>114</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr</name>
    <name.id>300121</name.id>
    <electorate>Griffith</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>CHANDLER-MATHER () (): There are over 10,000 people across Australia who legitimately sought asylum, fleeing war and persecution, who have now lived in Australia for 10 years but have been left in limbo by a cruel and arbitrary decision of this Labor government. The Labor government rightly announced that roughly 19,000 people who held temporary protection and safe haven visas would be eligible to apply for permanent protection. The Greens were overjoyed at this decision. But Labor, for some arbitrary reason, has continued to let the 10,000 people who are on bridging visas because of the previous government's cruel fast-track program be stuck in limbo.</para>
<para>I've met with countless people in my electorate who have shared their stories of grief and pain, desperate for this government to see them as humans and offer them the permanent protection they deserve and a pathway to permanent visas and citizenship. There's a man in my electorate, Abdul, who works at one of my favourite local restaurants. He is desperate to have the right to travel and see his sick father, but, because of the cruel conditions that many people on bridging visas face, he cannot go and see him. He is terrified that he'll never get to say goodbye to his dad. Because of the decisions of this government, he doesn't have that right. I've heard stories from countless women who are single mothers who have fled with their children in search of safety but have been stuck, basically, on these bridging visas without any chance for permanent protection. There are men in my electorate who have been imprisoned at a Kangaroo Point hotel for years and are finally being released and placed on bridging visas, but they are being left unable to start a new and secure life.</para>
<para>Let's be clear: the Labor government are making an active choice. They are making the choice to uphold and maintain the inhumane policies that prevent families from being reunited, that prevent children from accessing basic health care and education and that cause immense grief and pain to the individuals and communities stuck in this limbo for no reason, without access to Medicare or any social security. These people are our neighbours and our friends, and they have been here for 10 years, contributing to our community.</para>
<para>I speak to all 10,000 people stuck in this cruel limbo today: the Greens are with you. While the Australian government are often quick to support and fund foreign conflicts, they are not supporting the victims who flee these same conflicts. You deserve safety, and you deserve kindness. To the 22 refugee women who have just walked from Melbourne to Canberra, I thank you for bringing the violence of this decision by the Labor government to everyone's attention.</para>
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          <title>Australian Constitution: Aboriginal And Torres Strait Islander Voice, Albanese Government</title>
          <page.no>114</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms COLLINS</name>
    <name.id>HWM</name.id>
    <electorate>Franklin</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I want to begin by offering my heartfelt thanks to all of the volunteers across my electorate of Franklin for Saturday's referendum and the countless hours of work that they put in to support better outcomes for First Nations Australians. I particularly want to thank the First Nations people of Franklin, including Uncle Rodney Dillon and Jaime Currie, who so generously gave their time and shared their culture and lived experience with me and other members of parliament.</para>
<para>I will forever be proud that our Prime Minister kept his word to Australians and First Nations people that held out their hands to us and asked us to do this. However, Australia has decided that that is not the way forward, and I totally respect that decision. My electorate of Franklin is currently 50.04 per cent 'yes'. I will forever be proud of my electorate for that result. But our democracy only works when we respect all democratically made decisions, so our government will continue to listen and seek better outcomes for First Australians.</para>
<para>During this campaign, we've also been focused on cost-of-living measures. We got the Housing Australia Future Fund through the parliament, but I've also been able to go round to states together with the Prime Minister and announce new homes on the ground that will be delivered through the Social Housing Accelerator. I was in Queensland just last week, where we announced another 600 social homes in Queensland, and 80 per cent of those homes will be outside of Brisbane, in regional, rural and remote Queensland. It was terrific to be with the Queensland minister to be able to do that. We've also done things like increase Commonwealth rent assistance, which is critical to so many Australians.</para>
<para>We have opened urgent care clinics, including one in Hobart, with the Prime Minister, and we have another one to be opened soon. We've been hearing firsthand from constituents just how important these urgent care clinics are. I particularly want to quote an email that I got just a couple of days ago from somebody that has accessed the urgent care clinic in Hobart. One of my constituents from the eastern shore visited the urgent care clinic last Sunday. He and his daughter were given non-urgent care, and they were seen within three hours at the urgent care clinic. They would normally go to the Royal Hobart Hospital. They rang the clinic. They were told, yes, they could be and seen and, yes, they would be seen today, and in under three hours they were seen. They got the care and it didn't cost them anything other than to show their Medicare card. This is the type of health care that urgent care clinics can provide. I'm looking forward to a second clinic in Hobart opening soon. I know that in Launceston it's clinic is also doing incredibly well and seeing literally hundreds of Tasmanians who would've ended up in emergency clinics if it were not for that decision to open those urgent care clinics. It's wonderful to see them.</para>
<para>I was also able to briefly visit one of our TAFEs. We had our skills announcement yesterday, during the break, and, as Minister for Housing, I'm really pleased with our skills investment, particularly for small business and indeed for the construction sector.</para>
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          <title>Forde Electorate: Small Business</title>
          <page.no>115</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr VAN MANEN</name>
    <name.id>188315</name.id>
    <electorate>Forde</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As we all know across this chamber small to medium businesses are a very important part of our electorates. In fact, 97.3 per cent of all businesses in Australia, around 2.5 million of them, are small businesses that employ between zero and 19 employees.</para>
<para>As I go and meet those businesses around my electorate, when I'm talking to the owners of those businesses, they frequently tell me about the long days spent working in the business and how very little time gets spent working on the business or building professional networks. Building those professional networks is a vital part of growing your business and engaging with the wider community. That's why our chambers of commerce across our communities are so important and play such a significant role.</para>
<para>I had the pleasure over the past week or so of catching up with both the Logan Chamber of Commerce and the Beenleigh Yatala Chamber of Commerce at their AGMs. On Wednesday last week the Logan Chamber of Commerce held their AGM at Clarks Logan City Bus Service. We heard from Clarks Logan City Bus Service's finance manager, Kaylee Clark. We also heard from Simon Holt, the founder of the local newspaper <inline font-style="italic">MyCity Logan</inline>. They shared their experiences and insights into adapting to the latest developments in their respective industries.</para>
<para>The AGM was an opportunity to reflect on the chamber's achievements and plan for the future, and the new committee is certainly very focused on achieving that. I want to congratulate the president, Arwen McGregor, the vice-president, Alexis Matthews-Frederick, the treasurer, Krish Ravipati, secretary, Justine Sandry, and general committee members Willem Van Der Merwe, Rhiannon Elton and Janeen Vosper. I thank them for all of their hard work and efforts. They also recognised Stewart Fleming and Reg Clark as life members.</para>
<para>The Beenleigh Yatala Chamber of Commerce held their AGM on Friday, with guest speaker Emily Bitkow talking about the work that Asuria does working with small business to help them grow. Congratulations to the new committee of president, Aki Sihto, vice-president, Shane Drew, treasurer, Heather Christensen, secretary, Kerrie Saverin, and to the general committee members Ronnie Visser, Willem Van Der Merwe, Megan Zwart, Leanne Taylor and John Mulraney. And a special mention to Kerrie Saverin, the outgoing president, for three years of terrific service to the chamber.</para>
<para>I thank both the new committees and the outgoing committees for the tremendous work they do across the community of Logan and into the northern Gold Coast. The work you do with our small business sector is vital and very important, and I look forward to working with you all in the coming 12 months.</para>
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          <title>Shortland Electorate: Cost of Living</title>
          <page.no>115</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr CONROY</name>
    <name.id>249127</name.id>
    <electorate>Shortland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We live in turbulent times and I want my constituents to know I'm keenly aware of the pressures that they and their families are confronting, and that the government's No. 1 priority is addressing the inflation and cost-of-living challenges we are facing.</para>
<para>We're delivering a comprehensive $23 billion package to help with the cost-of-living pressures, including electricity bill relief, cheaper child care, increased rent assistance, fee-free TAFE, building more affordable housing and more social housing and expanding paid parental leave. These measures are all helping the people of Shortland, who I have the privilege to represent in this place.</para>
<para>We're tripling the bulk-billing incentive to GPs for more than 76,000 people living in the Shortland electorate, making it easier for them to see a bulk-billing doctor. From 1 September 2023, we have halved the cost of more than 300 common medicines on the PBS, which will mean more than 43,000 people in Shortland will be able to get 60 days worth of medicine for the price of a single script.</para>
<para>I've spoken many times of the Hunter region's much-valued GP Access After Hours service. My constituents tell me time and time again that, after the cost of living, access to healthcare services is their No. 1 priority. They were rightly angry that the Liberals made the decision to drastically cut funding to GP access and, in fact, had long-term plans to destroy and terminate that service. I'm proud to be part of an Albanese Labor government that has delivered on its commitment to return this funding in full, as well as providing funding security in the future. Recently the hours at Belmont Hospital's GP access clinic were fully restored. I know this will be much welcomed and well used by my constituents. I, like every other Hunter family, have used this service, and it's incredibly valuable. I was also very proud to be part of the announcement of the Medicare urgent care clinic for the northern Central Coast, which will be located in Lake Haven and will soon start operating, providing bulk-billing services seven days a week for families of our region.</para>
<para>There is a lot happening here and around the world—the referendum on the weekend, the conflict in the Middle East and the ongoing war in Ukraine. To my constituents who may be feeling overwhelmed: I want you to know that I and the government have a laser-like focus on the issues that matter to you. We are implementing policies that will help with the cost-of-living issues that we're all dealing with.</para>
<para>I'd like to end my contribution by briefly recognising a local band, Strings and Fings, who, after a three-year absence because of the pandemic, have recently returned to the Whiddon Gardens nursing home to entertain its residents. I thank my friend Jack Adams for letting me know about this much-anticipated return and wish him and the band well in spreading the joy that they do.</para>
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          <title>Queensland: Infrastructure</title>
          <page.no>116</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr VASTA</name>
    <name.id>E0D</name.id>
    <electorate>Bonner</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The port of Brisbane in my electorate of Bonner is an economic powerhouse. Last financial year alone, the port contributed over $7.8 billion to the Queensland economy and supported around 63,000 jobs. But there's just one thing missing that would truly make the port of Brisbane and South-East Queensland the logistical capital of Australia, and that's tunnel vision. By creating a dedicated tunnel connecting the port of Brisbane to Ebenezer in Ipswich, which would then connect to the inland rail, we would unlock the economic potential of the port and make our roads safer for Brisbane families.</para>
<para>Currently, over 97 per cent of freight leaves the port by truck—that's right, 97 per cent—causing increased road degradation and traffic congestion, as well as noise and air pollution for Brisbane locals. My tunnel vision could take 13 million trucks off Brisbane roads by 2050. That would save $195 million in congestion costs each year, meaning less time and money spent on the road and more time with families and loved ones. It would also add 1,200 new jobs per year between now and 2045 and allow container freight to leave the port of Brisbane and arrive in Melbourne within 24 hours—all of this while saving $250 million in reducing emissions associated with road-to-rail switch.</para>
<para>Four years ago, the Queensland Labor government pocketed $20 million of federal government funding and have still not released the Port of Brisbane Strategic Rail Access Study. In fact, they have only used around $4.4 million of the $20 million allocated to determine how freight could be sent to the inland rail network from the port of Brisbane. It's time for the Queensland Labor government to get serious about connecting the port of Brisbane to inland rail. They are wasting time, wasting opportunity and disadvantaging Queenslanders for generations to come. I urge the Queensland government to release the study to the public. Let's make tunnel vision a reality.</para>
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          <title>Cowan Electorate: Community Services</title>
          <page.no>116</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr ALY</name>
    <name.id>13050</name.id>
    <electorate>Cowan</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like to provide an update on the commitments that the Labor government made in the beautiful electorate of Cowan in the previous election campaign. I'm pleased to report that the Albanese Labor government is delivering on those commitments.</para>
<para>To begin with, there is a very vibrant Vietnamese community in Cowan. Actually, Cowan is home to WA's largest Vietnamese community. And they are now one step closer to having their very own Vietnamese community cultural centre right in the heart of the electorate, in the suburb of Girrawheen. Last month I had the pleasure of attending the official contract-signing ceremony with the president of the Vietnamese community, Dr Anh. The Vietnamese Community Cultural Centre will provide a dedicated hub for this thriving community that has existed for more than four decades in Cowan without a permanent home. To think that they're finally going to have a cultural centre and a home where they can have their senior citizens events and their events for the younger generation of the Vietnamese community is just such a special thing. I'm really honoured and pleased to be part of a government that has been able to support this project through a $1.5 million election commitment made by the Albanese Labor government.</para>
<para>Cowan's diversity is also reflected in the religious and faith communities, and we recognise the importance of faith based institutions in the community as well. When the boundaries of Cowan changed I finally got to say that I have a mosque in my electorate, and that mosque is Mirrabooka Mosque, one of the facilities right in the heartland of Cowan, in Mirrabooka. It's a place for worship, community engagement and cultural harmony. It is the mosque that performed my father's burial rites when he passed away in 2015, so it is a mosque that occupies an incredibly special place in my heart and the heart of my family. I'm proud to be delivering for the mosque a funding of $280,000 for much-needed disability access upgrades that will allow for a lift to take people to the second floor so they don't have to climb the stairs.</para>
<para>Finally, I would like to give a huge shout-out to my dear friend Helen Cocks and the fabulous work she does at the Hepburn Centre in Marangaroo. We've delivered $20,000 in funding for their new kitchen, and Helen tells me that's well underway and she's very excited for that as well.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Menzies Electorate: Community Volunteers</title>
          <page.no>117</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr WOLAHAN</name>
    <name.id>235654</name.id>
    <electorate>Menzies</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>All of us are passing through a time on Earth, and we don't know how long that will be. When you look at the blocks of time that we have and when you take out sleep and work, and travel to and from work, we have very precious spare time. So when I look at those in my community who give that precious time as volunteers I'm so grateful to them, because it's an important asset that they have, and it's finite, but they give it in the service of others.</para>
<para>I'm grateful to the Manningham Council, who acknowledged many of the volunteers and people in our community who make it a better place to live. I'm going to read out the nominees, because often we focus on the winners—and I'll also do that, but just to be nominated is a significant thing, and I want their names to be recorded on <inline font-style="italic">Ha</inline><inline font-style="italic">nsard</inline>. They are Dennis Clarke, Mary Shee, Alma Hughes, Sally Goldner, Frank Johnston, Shin 'Berry' Eain, Anita Luzza, Caroline Clarkson, Gurpreet Miglani, the Doncaster Junior Football Club, Manningham Toy Library, and LinC Manningham Inc. You are all winners, and I want to congratulate you for being nominated.</para>
<para>Then there are those who actually won the awards. The Citizen of the Year was Dennis Clarke, and I know Dennis well. He volunteers so much of his time at the Doncaster RSL. He's a proud Vietnam veteran, and you'll see him selling during Anzac and poppy appeals in November and April every year. I want to thank you, Dennis, for your service to our country and to our community.</para>
<para>The Doreen Stoves Volunteer of the Year award went to Frank Johnston. Frank has been volunteering for Manningham organisations for over 30 years. There's a long list through the Uniting Church, LinC, MannaCare, and Outback Links. But whenever I go to citizenship ceremonies, Frank, you are sitting there ready to help new citizens become part of our community, and I know many look up to you as a leader.</para>
<para>The Sports Volunteer of the Year is Caroline Clarkson, who has devoted her energy to the committee of Doncaster Dolphins Masters Swimming Club in various roles.</para>
<para>The Community Organisation of the Year went to LinC Manningham. This is a wonderful organisation. It provides house cleaning and social support to new migrants and women affected by domestic violence. It does so many things, including home cooked meals.</para>
<para>The young citizen of the year went to Shin Thant 'Berry' Eain. Berry stood on the stage. I have no doubt that Berry might be in this place one day. They are a wonderful community leader. They are a student with a very bright future ahead of them. Finally, the sports volunteer award went to Caroline Clarkson. I thank all the winners.</para>
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          <title>Education</title>
          <page.no>117</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms RYAN</name>
    <name.id>249224</name.id>
    <electorate>Lalor</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Across the electorate of Lalor, year 12 students are preparing for their final exams. I want to congratulate all of our local students studying year 12 this year on the year so far and the work and commitment that they've already demonstrated. I wish them well in their preparations as they approach their final exams.</para>
<para>Examinations, I will remind all young people, are as much a test of our community as they are of an individual young person. Going into the examination room and thinking about all the years of education and this final moment and what it means, I want you to remember that everything you have done to date is much more important than what you're about to do. That said, we all know that there's lots of pressure on young people and lots of pressure on families. My thoughts are also with the teachers who have prepared those young people for these exams. I wish them well across the next few weeks. I know how stressful the exam period can be for teachers as well as students.</para>
<para>It's always important to remember that your final score in VCE is not who you are and it is not a measure of who you are. It is a stepping-off point. I wish them all well. I know how aspirational the young people I represent are and how much they want to contribute to society beyond their schooling. I know they're all looking forward to the pathways that they will take from here.</para>
<para>To the parents of those young people I say: please, keep them watered and fed. That's your job. Keep them watered, fed, and balanced. Be as supportive as you can, but you're still the boss in your house. So make sure that the young people are listening to you as well as to their teachers as they study and not cram. Again, I say that's really important. It's the years building up to now that have created your knowledge base. It is the work that you have put in to this year. It is the attentive way you have attended to your studies to date. These last moments are not the be-all and end-all. Remember the notion of fight or flight. If you're in that exam room and you suddenly go blank, write your name. Pick up a pen, make a move, click back into cognition, relax and push forwards. Thanks very much and congratulations on the results. I know you'll be very proud of yourselves at the end.</para>
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          <title>Hughes Electorate: World Environment Day</title>
          <page.no>118</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms WARE</name>
    <name.id>300123</name.id>
    <electorate>Hughes</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In my electorate of Hughes, our local environment is tremendously important. We have the Royal National Park, Heathcote National Park, waterways, beaches and beautiful green open spaces. That's why this year for World Environment Day I held a speech competition for all of the students within my electorate. The theme of this year's World Environment Day was 'solutions to plastic pollution'. In their speeches, students had to answer why they think protecting the environment is important and what their solutions are for beating plastic pollution.</para>
<para>I was delighted and, I must say, a little bit overwhelmed with the quality of the work that was submitted. They were fabulous speeches. It was a very hard decision. But, in the end, I'm proud to announce that Jayden Wang from year 5 at Sutherland Public School was the winning primary school student. It was a pleasure to meet with Jayden and to present him with the award. At that time, I said to Jayden that I would read his speech to the parliament and into <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>. I can only hope that the delivery reflects his excellent written work. Jayden's speech is as follows:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Our Australian environment is unique, powerful and utterly beautiful with countless wonders that we, as the Australian people are deeply proud about.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">However, one monumental problem still plagues us: plastic pollution.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Around 3.5 million tonnes of plastic are consumed each year, and 12.4% per cent of that is recycled. Along with that, a massive 80% of all plastic consumed in Australia finds its way into our waterways. These figures are unacceptable and are a blemish on our nation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">However, this data can be improved. And to do that, we need a plan. First, councils across the country must organise clean-up projects to clean up our streets and beaches. These community events are proven to work in the past, and are for our people's good.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">If we are to clean up a large amount of plastic, where will it go? Certainly not in the environment, but placed in recycling centres, which is another fundamental part of this plan.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As stated earlier, only 12.4 per cent of plastic is recycled in Australia, and we need to improve that. The government must fund more recycling sites, because the ones we have right now, such as Redcycle, are unable to handle our plastic and have already resorted to compressing and storing plastic in large warehouses …</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A larger number of recycling sites and recycling capacity are needed to change the nation, and we need them now, not later.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These measures must be implemented at once, because they are paramount to the condition of Australia when we hand it down to our children, our grandchildren, and all future generations of Australia.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It has never been more dire to act, and we must do it now, as a quote from Mahatma Gandhi says, 'The future depends on what you do today.'</para></quote>
<para>Thank you, Jayden, and to everyone who submitted their speeches. Well done again for being successful.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Richmond Electorate: Natural Disaster Funding</title>
          <page.no>118</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mrs ELLIOT</name>
    <name.id>DZW</name.id>
    <electorate>Richmond</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Last week, in my electorate of Richmond, I was so proud to announce more than $121 million in joint federal and state disaster funding for more than 50 projects to future-proof and rebuild our infrastructure across the New South Wales north coast. Together, the Albanese and Minns Labor governments are building back better on the north coast to make our community more resilient to natural disasters.</para>
<para>My electorate of Richmond is on the north coast of New South Wales, and many would be aware that our area was devastated by floods in early 2022. It was the largest recorded flooding event to have ever hit our area. Homes, livelihoods and businesses were destroyed, and we are still rebuilding, even today. These disasters take an enormous toll on individuals and families, and right throughout the entire community. Rebuilding is a long road back, and our government understands the importance of getting the specific funding to where it is needed most.</para>
<para>This joint funding will deliver more than $121 million in those projects through the Infrastructure Betterment Fund and the Community Local Infrastructure Recovery Package. Those funding initiatives are focused on building back essential public assets, such as roads, bridges and drainage, that have been impacted by storm and flood events. It also, through the Community Assets Program, repairs a lot of community assets like parks, walkways and buildings, many of which were so badly damaged. This funding means assets are repaired to a more resilient standard that can better withstand future disasters. Some of the projects include: a new works depot for Tweed Shire out of the flood zone; drainage upgrades for the Byron Bay town centre to reduce flooding; flood-proofing the Mullumbimby ambulance station; remediation at Lake Ainsworth; access repairs at Ballina's Lighthouse Beach; and upgrades to many schools, roads, parks, pools, community halls, toilet blocks, and so much more right across the community.</para>
<para>I was joined in this announcement by the state member for Lismore, Janelle Saffin, and many of our great mayors and deputy mayors from councils across the north coast. Including Lismore mayor Steve Krieg, Tweed mayor Chris Cherry, Ballina mayor Sharon Cadwallader, Kyogle deputy mayor Tom Cooper, Richmond Valley mayor Robert Mustow, and Byron Shire mayor Michael Lyon. This funding is a game-changer for the councils in my area—and, indeed, right across the north coast and northern rivers. By investing in better designs and better materials, we can make sure all of our resources are built to last and withstand future natural disasters.</para>
<para class="italic"><inline font-style="italic">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</inline></para>
<para>Proceedings suspended from 09 : 58 to 10 : 22</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>144732</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>In accordance with standing order 193, the time for constituency statements has concluded.</para>
</interjection>
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        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>119</page.no>
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          <title>Identity Verification Services Bill 2023, Identity Verification Services (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2023</title>
          <page.no>119</page.no>
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                  <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Identity Verification Services Bill 2023</span>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Identity Verification Services (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2023</span>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>119</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr ANANDA-RAJAH</name>
    <name.id>290544</name.id>
    <electorate>Higgins</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>There isn't an Australian from any walk of life who does not interact with the digital economy. Every Australian has an expectation that their data, personal information and identity will be protected. Identity verification services are a way of bolstering this protection, and this bill provides a clear legislative authority and framework to support this purpose. Identity verification can be achieved through one-to-one matching. This is when a person's face is paired with an identity document that they provide. We are all familiar with this process. Our drivers licenses are often used to match our face with our identity. This is a quick checkpoint that we often don't think twice about. When we replicate this simple step using digital devices, it safeguards our identity from cyberthreats. It is a way to combat identity theft, as an imposter will not be able to match their face to the photos on our identity documents.</para>
<para>There has never been a more important time to increase these safeguards. Last year there were over 16,000 reports of identity theft and losses totalling over $10 million. We must also consider that these crimes continue to be under-reported because people can find it difficult to navigate what can be a complex reporting process, particularly when emotions are running high. Other very public and consequential breaches in personal identity, such as the Medibank and Optus cyberattacks in the past year, have had an enormous and understandable impact on public confidence.</para>
<para>A constituent described how they were victim of a cybercrime at a law firm of which they were not even a client. He explained to me:</para>
<quote><para class="block">I am not a client of this firm, nor have I every provided them with my information. They have it, because businesses and organisations quite routinely transmit information and move data around without a second thought. The increased use of outsourcing and contracting out of services means our information is passed around without our consent or knowledge.</para></quote>
<para>An experience like this is profoundly frightening. It shatters your sense of security. Our personal information is who we are; it is our selfhood. To have your information taken away from you leaves you exposed and vulnerable.</para>
<para>Another constituent, after experiencing a data breach of their personal information, said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">This exposes a lot of problems, among them, the amounts, and types of data we are providing, the degree to which data is transferred to third parties, the real risk of identity theft and financial loss, the inadequacy of redress schemes and compensation. I have spent a huge amount of time on this. I am severely stressed over this.</para></quote>
<para>Australians should not be left to feel powerless by these threats. It is imperative that we have robust guardrails to fight identity fraud.</para>
<para>People need to know that they can rely on digital platforms and that they can rely on public and private organisations to have strong safeguards in place that protect their identity and personal information. That is what the Albanese government is committed to achieving, unlike those opposite who oversaw a decade of inaction and incompetence in this space, which led to the Medibank and Optus attacks. Their efforts can only be described as lazy attempts to address these issues, perfectly encapsulated by a bill in 2019 that was so heavily skewed towards government surveillance that it had to be withdrawn amid a public outcry.</para>
<para>Our bill is a step towards restoring public trust in government and confidence in the digital economy by making it safer for Australians to use online services. The Identity Verification Services Bill is about both recognising that digital identity services are the future and providing necessary safeguards to ensure Australians can embrace them with confidence and trust.</para>
<para>Identity verification is already being used successfully. Currently, there are more than 11.3 million Australians using the Australian government's digital ID verification service through the myGov ID platform, enabling them to securely access over 130 government agencies. Last year alone, the verification service was used over 140 million times by 2,700 government agencies and industry organisations. This uptake demonstrates these services are useful, convenient and wanted by consumers.</para>
<para>The bill allows one-to-one matching through Face Verification Services, whereby a person's photo is compared against the image on one of their identity documents. Last financial year, there were 2.6 million transactions completed through Face Verification Service transactions. It provides the safety and security of one-to-one matching but does not require people to attend in person for a physical check. It marries the convenience and accessibility of online services with the safety and security of matching a person's face to their ID.</para>
<para>This bill also supports the national drivers licence facial recognition solution by enabling the Face Verification Service to conduct one-to-one matching against drivers licences, helping more Australians create digital IDs and making the security and protections they provide even more accessible. An important part of creating a digital future that is secure and trusted is ensuring that people know when, how and why their identity or data is being used.</para>
<para>This bill mandates that a person's consent be required whenever a request is made for the purpose of verifying their identity. This must be informed consent and additional information must be readily provided. This is the norm in medicine. Understanding how your information is being used, when it will be retained and disposed of and what rights a person has with regard to the collection of this information will help us trust that our data is being used appropriately. This provision also ensures that agencies and companies must detail the consequences of a person declining the request for their data or identity verification, how a user can go about making a complaint and gain further information about the operation of approved identity verification facilities.</para>
<para>One-to-many face identification matching describes instances where a single face can be linked to multiple identities. This presents obvious risks, and it is no surprise that services utilising one-to-many matching have encountered instances of fraud in the past. By centralising the face identification service through the national drivers licence facial recognition solution, one-to-many matching will be all but eliminated. It's only to be used in very particular circumstances, such as to protect undercover officers and protected witnesses.</para>
<para>The bill imposes several important obligations on the department of the Attorney-General. As Australians rightly expect their government to take action to protect their privacy, the department will be mandated to use encryption and anything else necessary to maintain the security of electronic communications related to identity verification services and protect the information from unauthorised interference or access.</para>
<para>Transparency and accountability are central to this legislation. This is consistent with the Albanese government's agenda to restore integrity and trust in government. In that spirit, the bill requires the publication of agreements between public and private organisations to participate in services, mandatory annual assessments by the information commissioner, annual reporting, and statutory reviews every two years. These oversight measures are robust and comprehensive and can give Australians trust and confidence in these services.</para>
<para>Digital products are here to stay. They assist our lives in myriad ways. But for too many Australians they have meant compromising their privacy and personal information. The Albanese government is getting the work done to make sure Australians will no longer have to make that compromise. I commend this bill to the House.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>144732</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Before the debate is resumed on this bill, I advise the Federation Chamber that in the House it had been agreed that a general debate be allowed covering this bill and the Identity Verification Services (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2023. The question is that this bill be now read a second time.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr CHANDLER-MATHER</name>
    <name.id>300121</name.id>
    <electorate>Griffith</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Identity Verification Services Bill 2023 allows identity matching across databases and across jurisdictions. This kind of matching is essential for many practices, including in relation to real estate and mortgage transactions and banking. Too often under current laws, consent, if asked for, is in the form of bundled consent, where consent is required in order to obtain an essential service. For instance, you need to consent to having this information shared to get a driver's licence, or potentially an Opal card or a transport card. That's not really a form of consent, because obviously accessing, for instance, a driver's licence is essential, and when you're asked to then provide so-called consent for handing over all your data and allowing it to be shared, in effect you're being blackmailed to provide that consent, and the Greens don't agree with that.</para>
<para>Many in the sector have, rightly, questioned why this bill is being brought to parliament now, before the comprehensive privacy laws that were promised at the last election and are known to be a key priority. These comprehensive privacy laws will provide a crucial layer of protection for Australians against abuses of power and misuses of data and will provide key pillars of protection of privacy when it comes to things like sharing data across jurisdictions. It's a fundamental problem with this proposal, which is why we will be moving an amendment relating to this.</para>
<para>Much of the matching in this bill is already occurring with a questionable legal basis. We have asked the government for a briefing on the specific aspect of the change. Clearly a legislated scheme is preferable so that controls and protections can be implemented. But this must be done to create a scheme that truly protects privacy and the rights of people to know what happens with their data. The bill requires compliance with standards set by the Privacy Act 1998 or similar state or territory laws. This is crucial, because this poses a real risk that the weakest applicable privacy protections may be chosen by participating parties with overall negative impacts on privacy protection.</para>
<para>These are just some of the reasons the Greens have referred this bill to the Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee for inquiry. Key issues raised in submissions to date are inconsistency between the scheme proposed here and the significantly more robust privacy protections under the draft digital ID bill and the delay in overarching privacy laws. The OAIC, which is the government's own agency relevant to these laws, provides eight key recommendations for amendments to the bill, indicating significant issues with the consultation process that led to this bill being brought before parliament. This is why the Greens will be moving an amendment that defers the consideration of this bill until after the Privacy Act reforms are in place. We believe this is crucial for any legislative change that provides for the sharing of data across jurisdictions, in particular when this bill includes concepts of bundled consent, which, as we have said, aren't really forms of consent when, for instance, to get access to a driver's licence you need to provide consent that jurisdictions can share your face, ID and other digital and private information.</para>
<para>I move the second reading amendment as circulated in my name:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That all words after "That" be omitted with a view to substituting the following words:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">"the House declines to give the bill a second reading until the Privacy Act reforms are in place in recognition of the significant privacy and data implications of this proposal".</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>144732</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Is the amendment seconded?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Bate</name>
    <name.id>300246</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I second the amendment and reserve my right to speak.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STANLEY</name>
    <name.id>265990</name.id>
    <electorate>Werriwa</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to make my contribution on the Identity Verification Services Bill 2023 and Identity Verification Services (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2023. Many Australians are familiar with verifying their identities, whether it be with a business or to access government services. Most wouldn't know that these verification processes rely on our national identity verification services provided by the Australian government, such as the Document Verification Service, DVS, and the Face Verification Service, FVS. These are a series of automated services that help businesses and government agencies verify personal identity by matching the information provided by existing government records. Last year alone, the DVS was used 140 million times, and in the 2022-23 financial year the FVS was used 2.6 million times.</para>
<para>The use of these systems includes common interactions we're all familiar with, from identifying our ID with our banks to verifying our identification when creating a myGovID, but these systems are also used in difficult times for Australians, helping government agencies verify people's identities and effectively deliver disaster relief and social security payments. The past few years have highlighted the importance of these systems, with a pandemic, bushfires and floods. Millions of Australians had to navigate various state and federal government services, from the myGov portal to Service NSW, in order to access social security payments and support when they needed it most.</para>
<para>In the background, the verification services underpin and support essential government services. These bills before the House today will ensure these systems have a clear legislative underpinning and are subject to robust privacy safeguards. They will authorise one-to-one matching for DVS, which allows the verification of biographic information, such as a name and date of birth, against government issued IDs. They will also authorise one-to-one matching through FVS, which will allow the matching of photographs with government issued IDs.</para>
<para>One-to-one matching will also be authorised through the National Driver Licence Facial Recognition Solution, which stores drivers licence data from across the country, enabling the use of FVS with license data. The states and territories that participate in the NDLFRS will be subject to the new privacy rules. The use of the NDLFRS to verify the identity of a person will be vital in helping more Australians create a stronger myGovID. A strong myGovID is necessary to access services such as Centrelink and the ATO through myGov. Without the NDLFRS, an Australian passport would be the only ID that could be used. We know more Australians have a drivers licence than a passport, so strengthening the privacy safeguards around the NDLFRS will give Australians that extra security and assurance that their license data is well protected and can be safely used to get the strong myGovID.</para>
<para>These bills will also limit the use of one-to-many matching by authorising its use for specific circumstances. It may only be used when protecting the identity of persons with a legally assumed identity, such as undercover officers or those in witness protection. There is a strong case for one-to-many matching for these individuals. One-to-many matching in these circumstances is necessary to ensure that the person's safety and security is not compromised by the intentional or unintentional exposure of their true identities. All other uses of one-to-many matching will be prohibited.</para>
<para>As we continue to rely on these identity verification services, we must ensure that there are strong privacy safeguards in place. Australians are becoming more and more conscious of their privacy, and they must be able to trust that their information is being used responsibly. This legislation will ensure these services are underpinned by strong privacy requirements. Private and public organisations that use the identity verification services to verify an individual's identity will be subject to the Privacy Act 1988 or a state or territory privacy law or have agreed to comply with the Australian Privacy Principles.</para>
<para>Requesting organisations must be a party to a participation agreement, which will contain minimum security standards and privacy obligations for the parties involved. This will require requesting organisations to provide a privacy impact assessment regarding the use of identity verification services, and organisations will require informed consent from individuals. 'Informed consent' means that an individual has been informed on how the information will be used, how facial images will be used and disposed of, whether those images will be retained or used for other purposes, the rights of an individual in relation to the collection of that information, the consequences of declining to consent, information about how to make a complaint and the legal obligations of the parties seeking that information.</para>
<para>Being a party to a participation agreement will prevent the disclosure of identification information obtained through the verification services and will be subject to extensive compliance requirements. Parties will be subjected to annual auditing to ensure that they are compliant with the agreement, and the outcomes must be reported to the department. Parties that breach their obligation under participation agreements may have their access and use of verification services suspended. Additionally, the department will be required to use encryption when identification information is being transferred to and from their databases.</para>
<para>To ensure that Australians can trust that their data is being protected, this legislation contains a number of measures to increase transparency and accountability in all these services. Participation agreements and relevant documents must be published. There will be mandatory annual assessments of the operation of verification services, and security instances and data breaches must also be reported. In the event of a data breach, the department will be required to inform the Information Commissioner of the breach if it may result in serious harm to an individual, in line with the obligations under the Privacy Act. Within two years of the commencement of this bill, a review of the operations and provisions of verification services must commence.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</inline></para>
<para>Sitting suspended from 10 : 42 to 10 : 54</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STANLEY</name>
    <name.id>265990</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Public and private organisations regularly ask individuals for sensitive identification data to verify their identities, and individuals should be able to do so with confidence that these services are underpinned by strong transparency and accountability measures so that their data is subject to strong privacy safeguards. These bills will ensure that they can trust the Australian government's identification verification services and continue to access vital government and non-government services. I commend the bills to the House.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr WOLAHAN</name>
    <name.id>235654</name.id>
    <electorate>Menzies</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>These two bills, the Identity Verification Services Bill 2023 and the Identity Verification Services (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2023, deal with identity verification. There are many studies that show there are enormous efficiencies for productivity, the economy and red tape to be had through this process. Where we disagree with the government is on the way that it has been done. There are many pages of ink being written about what happened on Saturday. I don't want to relitigate those here, but some of it is about not taking people with you. It's not simply the case that our democracy is about commanding the numbers and doing whatever you want. It can't be like that, and it isn't like that.</para>
<para>It is particularly important in this area because there is some legitimate concern in the community about how privacy is protected, particularly in the digital sphere. Once upon a time we would often think just about DNA or fingerprints. But all of us are walking fingerprints. When you link the prevalence of CCTV across just about every major city and village, every building and every suburb, we are walking facial fingerprints. How the government protects and deals with identity is of real concern to people. They're right to ask that we properly consider that. One of the things I've observed in this place—not just in this parliament but in any other parliaments—is that there is necessarily a technological lag with our understanding of technology and where it's going and our ability to react, compared to what's actually happening in the community. It's moving at a frightening pace. To have done the proper consultation here is important.</para>
<para>I want to give a personal example, something I experienced recently, about how well-intentioned digital verification efforts had real-life consequences for me. I'm not doing it to complain about what happened; I'm just giving it as an example. I had gone to my children's running club at a school. We do that, when parliament is not sitting here, every Tuesday and Friday. One of the joys of that—they're primary school students—is we have breakfast together and then I walk them over to school. We had done that, and I went to pay, and my card didn't work. I thought that was strange. I did another one. It didn't work. I looked at my internet banking, and they were all well over limit. I didn't understand why, but I knew I had to take my kids to school. I then called the bank and realised there was a long wait, so I had to get my brother to quickly come and take my kids to school. Again, I'm not complaining about that. When I eventually got through to the bank, what I found out was they wanted to talk to me about verifying my drivers license, and, to get my attention, they shut down all my banking, when I had kids to take to school. Again, I'm not complaining about me, but I have since learnt that that happened not just with my bank but with many other banks and many other people.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr Wo</name>
    <name.id>E0F</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Name the bank; it's CBA.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr WOLAHAN</name>
    <name.id>235654</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will. The two that I know of are NAB and CBA—there you go. They did that at a time when many people were exiting car parks and couldn't pay for them, with a huge queue behind them; many people, like me, were embarrassed in front of their friends and family at restaurants; many people had things to do. For the convenience of the bank, just to know what your ID was, even if you had been with them for decades, they could switch off your banking like that. They could disconnect you from your ability to be part of the economy. Very few people carry cash after COVID. There's even a push to get rid of cash. We make people vulnerable to that. So you can understand the suspicion that people will have with how their digital identification is used and the suspicion that they have with how vulnerable they are in the digital economy.</para>
<para>At the heart of this is trust. I don't want to relitigate the referendum, but those same banks donated millions of dollars to one side of a campaign that was out of whack with the same people whom they were shutting off from being able to pay for things. Perhaps those millions would have been better served (a) paying for Indigenous disadvantage directly and (b) having people on the call lines so that people who were struck in restaurants and shops, who were having bills cut off and who were stuck in carparks weren't waiting for an emergency call like that. There is a disconnect between the priorities of some of corporate Australia and the realities of what Australians are facing. We saw that on the weekend, and I hope they reflect on that.</para>
<para>When we combine those two issues of bringing people with you—not taking them for granted—and acknowledging their legitimate distrust in how the digital economy can be weaponised against them in the most significant way, where you cannot even pay for basics and you are humiliated in front of others on a large scale—I've had a significant amounts of calls on that—I think this is an example and a process that should be done much better. We have to respect the legitimate concerns of people, particularly when it comes to privacy and their digital identity, and that is one of the many lessons that should be learned from Saturday.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr McCORMACK</name>
    <name.id>219646</name.id>
    <electorate>Riverina</electorate>
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  <para>The two bills before us deal with identity verification. Identity verification is such that a person's identity is electronically confirmed by comparing a person's face or biographic details with existing records. I come to this place as somebody who ran the 2016 census. I don't want anybody to smile or laugh, but having been given not much notice before that census, I can remember the concerns then about identity theft. I can remember the concerns expressed by many senators and many members in opposition at the time about the whole process. I was assured that everything would be fine and, as we know, on the night the systems failed. But in the long run, a huge percentage—more than 94 per cent, as I recall—of answers were returned and it was, in the main, a successful census.</para>
<para>The census is important. Making sure someone is who they say they are is also very important. We oppose this legislation as, if you like, a holding position, because not enough information has been provided. It once again is legislation on the run by a government which came to office in May 2022 promising transparency and that they would be better than the last government at ensuring that everything was on the table. Yet, no one knew these particular bills were coming. There is no regulation impact analysis. Dare I say, there is no consultation, and this isn't good enough. It's simply not good enough. When I ran that census, I said at the time—and was ridiculed for it—that the large supermarket chains probably have more information on people than do the government agencies. That's probably true: anybody who has a loyalty card probably gives up so much information, they just don't realise it. I hark back—and perhaps I'll get frowns from the other side too for doing this—to the Australia Card. The famous—some might say infamous—Australia Card, was a proposal made in 1985 and abandoned in 1987. The proposal was made by the Hawke government. It was raised at the National Tax Summit, as I recall. Indeed, the proposal was put and defeated by the Senate, blocked by the upper house on a number of occasions. The former member for Hotham, Lewis Kent, absolutely pilloried the Australia Card.</para>
<para>There are probably three types of people in society. There are conspiracy theorists, who don't want anyone to have any information about them. There are those who, quite frankly, couldn't care less, who just go with the flow. And then there are those who think if you've got nothing to fear; you've got nothing to hide. I'm probably one of those who are halfway between the middle and 'nothing to fear, nothing to hide'. Because if you're not doing the wrong thing then you've probably got nothing to fear from somebody knowing what you're taking off the shelf and putting through the cash register, such as a government agency or if you've got a loyalty card.</para>
<para>Interestingly, the Australia Card brought about a double dissolution. The government went to the people and were re-elected. It was interesting that, following their re-election, the Labor government then came unstuck with the Australia Card because a retired public servant by the name of Ewart Smith noticed the there was a flaw in the drafting of the Australia Card legislation which no one, on either side, had ever picked up. Even if the bill had been passed in a joint sitting, certain regulations necessary for the functioning of the system could have been overturned by the Senate. This is an interesting point because questions are raised: what protections do we have for privacy? Privacy, to a lot of people, is very important.</para>
<para>Only on the weekend, and the day before yesterday, and again yesterday, I received a text message from, supposedly, myGov—'my g.o.v.' I looked at the text and thought, initially, it was a scam. When it came in the next day I thought, 'I'm not even going to open that.' Then I got a final notice. I still don't know what it is on my phone because I haven't opened it. I'm not game to, but I'm assuming it's a scam.</para>
<para>I will commend the Minister for Communications, opposite, the member for Greenway, for the work that she has done to stop scammers. She, in conjunction with, I believe, the Assistant Treasurer, the member for Whitlam, have continued the previous government's work in making sure there are rules and controls around finding scammers and bringing the full force of the law against those people; that is a very good thing.</para>
<para>But this particular legislation allows private companies to be involved in matching photo ID. There are potential security and privacy concerns around that. It allows for photo ID to be cross-checked with state and territory driving licences—previously it was only passport photos. As a former transport minister who, on many occasions, headed up the transport forum with the states—once when Warren Truss could not make a meeting and I was his assistant minister, and then on the occasions when I was the transport minister for three years and I headed that particular important forum—one of the things that I thought the state transport ministers and I were all as-one on was making sure that we had the best possible cross-matching rules when it came to drivers licences. If photo licences identification was one of those things then I was all for it. But you sometimes agree to those things and then state ministers go back to their various state cabinets and it will be knocked out. It was so hard. It is always so hard to get all the states to agree with the Commonwealth—I could almost end that sentence with 'all the states to agree'. But Labor has a chance to do some good things in that regard at the moment because all the mainland states are Labor. The Commonwealth should be able to get some good policy through transport and various other fora, because on the mainland they are all red states.</para>
<para>My point about that is that it would be a good thing if the states had been consulted. Apparently the states have not been consulted about photo ID being cross-checked with state and territory driving licences. The state government opinions are not clear regarding this, and the states haven't been properly consulted, and that is such a shame, if there is good legislation to be brought forward. And I'm not saying this is bad legislation. I'm just saying that the government came to office on the promise and the pretext that they would be more transparent, they claimed, than the previous government. I would argue that we, as a former coalition government, were very transparent.</para>
<para>At times there are policies that are brought forward in a rush; hence the pins-in-strawberries affair some years ago, when as a Commonwealth we acted very quickly to ensure in a bipartisan way that we stamped that out. There was an absolute rush, and the former home affairs minister, the member for McPherson, sitting in the chair, were very good in that regard as well as in regard to ensuring that identity theft was not an issue in this country. There are always going to be nefarious people. Many people think our jails are filled with criminals who are generally, you'd argue, blue-collar criminals. But white-collar criminals are probably just as bad, if not worse, because they can steal people's livelihoods, hopes and futures and indeed lead to loss of life. The work that you did, Deputy Speaker Andrews, in that regard, in your home affairs portfolio, was very much appreciated.</para>
<para>The way this legislation has come before the parliament is characteristic of the presumptuous approach that is the hallmark of the Albanese government. I don't like saying that, but it is the truth. And I would urge and encourage ministers to think about consultation with the opposition when bringing forward bills such as this, because there is a lot of experience on the opposition frontbench and, dare I say, backbench. And legislation such as this, while I appreciate that it will pass the lower house, because of sheer weight of numbers, is important.</para>
<para>I know that the communications minister comes to this place in good faith. I have a lot of regard for her, and that is not diminished. But when the views of states and territories are unclear, when the Attorney-General wants to rush legislation through the parliament, you do get a little bit suspicious—in fact, you get a lot suspicious. We know, for example, that the government tried to limit scrutiny of this legislation. Why? I do not know. With the Australia Card, I must admit, I didn't think at the time that it was such a bad thing to do. I know that even at election time and dare I say at referendum time there are so many people who do not have ID but should have, and the process at election time whereby people don't vote at all and claim they do, or vote multiple times—all that sort of thing—would potentially be avoided if people had a photo identification saying that they are who they say they are when it comes time to fill out those boxes.</para>
<para>We just saw that at last Saturday's referendum. When I was at the booth, and following that, people were complaining to me about either lack of transparency or the fact that certain things were said to them by the AEC that they didn't appreciate or didn't think was good enough. I have every faith in the AEC to do their job, but it is a big job, and people do need to have the proper identification to ensure that they are who they say they are. We can't be sure of the impact. As I said, with the National Taxation Summit leading to the Australia Card there was the situation whereby a public servant belled the cat when it came to the flaws within that particular legislation.</para>
<para>So, regarding these particular bills, I ask: what potentially may have been missed, given the rush to bring the legislation into the chamber and get it through to the Senate? What has been missed? What is the operational effect on businesses that use DVS daily? What are the wider implications for the Australian economy—an economy already crushed by the full weight of the cost-of-living crisis?</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</inline></para>
<para>Sitting suspended from 11:15 to 11:26</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Mr McCORMACK</name>
    <name.id>219646</name.id>
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  <para>Principally, the coalition does not object to the ethos of this legislation, but we are concerned that the Senate committee apparently asked to not hold even a single hearing. Concerns have already been raised in submissions. There are far too many questions unanswered and too much uncertainty. We simply cannot, as an opposition, effectively just wave legislation such as this through.</para>
<para>Interestingly enough, this is based on coalition legislation. In fact, in 2018 we introduced the Identity-matching Services Bill and a related bill amending the Australian Passports Act, but we did the right thing: we referred the bills to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security for report. After the 2019 election, we reintroduced them and referred them again to the PJCIS. That's the way to do it. That's the proper process. But this government have been in power since May last year. The training wheels are off. The excuses should be over. They've been in long enough to stop blaming the coalition for everything, and they've been in long enough to ensure that important legislation such as this is given far more care and far more consideration and the opposition given far more due respect.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr VIOLI</name>
    <name.id>300147</name.id>
    <electorate>Casey</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Identity Verification Services Bill 2023 is a very important bill. There was something that the member for Riverina shared. I was sitting and listening to him and reflecting. It was a really important example of why this bill is so important and of the social licence and trust that we need to have when it comes to digital ID and to identification. He spoke about the Australia Card, and he gave a history of the challenges with that in the eighties. I sat and reflected while listening to him. I was very young when that debate was happening, so clearly I wasn't conscious of it at the time. But many years later, I'm aware of the Australia Card and the debacle that it was and the damage that it caused to digital and to identification and the challenges we have. That's why we have to be so careful in this space. It is challenging. It is complex. We need to balance efficiency—making sure we're talking to the right people—with, importantly, the need to protect people and make sure they don't get scammed.</para>
<para>As we continue to move into a digital world, there are great productivity gains and great opportunities that can be taken with digital, but there are increased risks. And it's not just the digital world that creates risk in terms of identification, which is why we need to get it right. The physical world creates risk as well. Just recently, I had an issue with some insurance and had to make a claim. I put the claim in and received a phone call from a number that I didn't know. They identified themselves as the insurance company, so everything seemed like it should be in order. Then they asked me for my name and my date of birth, and that's when I hesitated and took a second, and had a long conversation with them, saying, 'Hang on, if you're ringing me, why are you asking for my details?' I refused to give them and didn't get anywhere in the conversation. I still don't know whether that was a legitimate call from that organisation or whether it was a scam. In 2023, when people still don't know if it's a scam—and I agree with the member for Latrobe that it was most likely a scam. If it was, it was a good one, because the information had gone in and this was a couple of days later. The reason for the call was legitimate. That's the challenge we face. We need to find ways to make sure that digital identification is safe, accurate, efficient and can reduce those scams.</para>
<para>We can't lose the social licence. We can't lose the trust with the community. Unfortunately, we know that in the current environment more people than ever are concerned about their digital identity. They're aware more than ever about the data that's out in the world. Hacks like the Optus hack and the Medibank hack are making them more aware, more concerned. We need to acknowledge—and it's not a partisan issue; it's all governments—that there is a lack of trust in us as an institution, which we need to address. That's why this bill is really important. And it is disappointing and concerning that the government haven't engaged and consulted widely. It is complex. It has deep ramifications. While we definitely support the principle of what the government is trying to achieve, I urge them to let this continue into a committee stage, to look at this detail and understand the unintended consequences, because these are complex things.</para>
<para>The community needs to have faith in what we are doing, but industry needs to be brought to the table. When we're talking about technology and digital, it is complex. One of the biggest challenges we face with the digital economy—and this fits perfectly into the digital economy—is how we engage with an industry and a technology that are moving at a pace quicker than ever. It is not partisan; it is the system we work in, but it takes time to put through legislation and regulations. We need to get that balance right. But industry knows exactly what's happening. The digital economy will unlock significant productivity growth, which is so important for our country, particularly given the economic challenges that we face.</para>
<para>In 2019, the McKinsey Global Institute report <inline font-style="italic">D</inline><inline font-style="italic">igital identification</inline><inline font-style="italic">: </inline><inline font-style="italic">a key to inclusive growth</inline> found that extending full digital identity coverage could unlock economic value equivalent to 3-13 per cent of GDP by 2030. A World Economic Forum analysis estimated that 70 per cent of new value created in the economy over the next decade is expected to be delivered by digitally enabled platforms. That's the opportunity that we have as a nation. and that the government has to work to unlock. We as an opposition have to support them where it's good legislation, and hold them to account to unlock that opportunity.</para>
<para>But, if we lose the social trust of the community, we won't be able to unlock that potential. That's some of the frustrations that I have with this bill—they're not consulting with the states and with industry. It's a continual trend and theme of this government not understanding the opportunities that we have in the digital and tech sector. Nothing shows that more than the government refusing to have a minister for the digital economy. There's not one minister in this government with sole responsibility for making sure that the digital economy and the opportunities—as this bill has—can be unlocked. This is another example—I think there are countless bills I've spoken on where I've used this example. It sits under many portfolios, as you'd expect, because, ultimately, everything in the modern world is digital. You need one minister leading the conversation and leading in this space. There is frustration in industry at the moment about the slow pace of rollouts of many things, including digital ID. I was speaking to a bunch of entrepreneurs and start-ups last week about AI, which links to this as well. There is significant—</para>
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    <name role="metadata">Mr VIOLI</name>
    <name.id>300147</name.id>
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  <para>As I said, I was speaking to this group about AI, and there was a level of frustration about what they felt was a disconnect between the government and where policy was at. ChatGPT was the example. It's been in the spotlight. It's an issue they have been grappling with since November last year. They are still waiting for leadership and clarification on what they can do. So what they have to do in the meantime is work to the toughest standard around the globe, which is the European standard. That hurts innovation and productivity, but it's what they have to work with until they get certainty. They're investing hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes millions of dollars, in these technologies, particularly AI, without the certainty of where the regulation is going to be. They're caught in this really tricky place of needing to invest and wanting to invest but not knowing the legislative environment they're going to be investing in.</para>
<para>That's why we need to continue to close that gap between government, regulation and industry. It's one of the reasons I was proud to be a co-chair of the Parliamentary Friends of Tech and Innovation. We had our first event this morning, talking about AI. It was great to hear firsthand from industry about the opportunities, the challenges and some of the regulatory environments they're working in.</para>
<para>I've also called repeatedly for a technological assessment office, similar to the Parliamentary Budget Office, to give all MPs and all staff independent advice on technology and what's happening. This bill is an example of how that office could give some technical understanding to us of all of the consequences and the implications. We are never going to be experts. We can't be because it's moving so quickly. It's so dynamic. But, if we don't understand the challenges and the opportunities, the risk is we'll regulate too much and stop innovation and growth.</para>
<para>In conclusion, it may be that, once the committee has completed its review, we will support this. As I said, we do support the principle of this bill. At their heart, they are good ideas. It is important that we get this right. But it is, as I said, a missed opportunity, a failure to follow through and, ultimately, a botched process. Until these bills are scrutinised and we have that clarity about their scope and impact, it's not the sort of legislation that we can just wave through.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr WOOD</name>
    <name.id>E0F</name.id>
    <electorate>La Trobe</electorate>
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  <para>I will just be brief on the Identity Verification Services Bill 2023. I'll be speaking in my role as shadow minister for multicultural affairs and also for elderly people when it comes to the modern age of dealing with banks and insurance companies, as we've heard about before. I'd just go back to my days in the Victorian police force, where it was all about bouncing cheques in other people's names. It then moved to the next level, which was phone calls made to people's homes. I was on an inquiry a number of years ago, the serious and organised crime inquiry, and we went to many countries around the world. I think it was in Sweden where the big scam at the time was ringing up elderly people and getting their banking details over the phone. So I say to people, whether it be from the multicultural community or seniors, if anyone rings you up on the phone or you get an SMS don't assume it's the bank. Banks and insurance companies don't tell you to log on via an SMS and insert your banking details. It doesn't happen. Always go into your local bank or insurance company and speak to them, or hang up and ring their listed phone numbers.</para>
<para>I've heard of some very clever and outrageous scams where the person has actually gone to make the phone call, they have actually rung the phone number of the legitimate company, but somehow those involved in the organised crime had arranged it to be diverted to them. That makes life even tougher. But the clear message is: take precautions and always double-check.</para>
<para>I do acknowledge the government is bringing this bill forward for all the right reasons, and I thank the communications minister for that. The only concern on our side is that has been the process and doubling down in looking at that to make sure all those changes which could be made to protect Australians are made.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms ROWLAND</name>
    <name.id>159771</name.id>
    <electorate>Greenway</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank my parliamentary colleagues for their contributions to the debate on the Identity Verification Services Bill 2023 and the Identity Verification Services (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2023. These bills are a priority for the Albanese government as they will enable Australians to conveniently and securely engage with the digital economy and access critical services while minimising risk of identity fraud and theft. The bills provide clear legislative authority for identity verification services with strong privacy safeguards and oversight and transparency arrangements. This supports industry, governments and Australians to benefit from the strong identity verification available through these services.</para>
<para>The bills will authorise consent based identity verification through two services: first, the Document Verification Service, where biographic information is verified; and second, the Face Verification Service, where biometric information such as a photograph is verified. Both the Document Verification Service and the Face Verification Service match a document or facial image to one record, known as one-to-one matching.</para>
<para>Participating public and private sector entities can request biographic or biometric verification of the details provided by their customers against records held by a document-issuing agency, such as the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade as the issuer of passports.</para>
<para>As the credential most commonly used by Australians to verify their identity, drivers licences from all states and territories can be checked through the Document Verification Service. The Identity Verification Services Bill will expand the government's existing Face Verification Service to include images used in state and territory drivers licences, through the National Driver Licence Facial Recognition Solution. The Identity Verification Services Bill authorises limited government agencies to use one-to-one matching through the face identification service for the purpose of protecting the identity of persons with a legally assumed identity, such as undercover officers and protected witnesses. There is a substantial public interest in allowing one-to-one matching to be undertaken in these circumstances.</para>
<para>The other uses of one-to-one matching through the identity verification services will not be authorised and will therefore be prohibited. Importantly, the Identity Verification Services Bill contains strong privacy protections, safeguards and oversight measures. This includes the application of privacy laws and the Australian privacy principles, consent requirements, requirements to report data breaches and appropriate complaint-handling processes. The Identity Verification Services Bill authorises the collection, use and disclosure of identification information for limited purposes and includes offences to prevent unauthorised access to, recording of or disclosure of protected information.</para>
<para>The Identity Verification Services (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2023 will amend the Australian Passports Act 2005 to allow for automated disclosures of personal information to a specified person via the Document Verification Service or the Face Verification Service. This will enable the continued verification of identity using passports.</para>
<para>Throughout this debate, we have heard differing views on some aspects of the legislation. The government looks forward to receiving the report of the Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee on the bills and will consider any recommendations it may make, as well as issues raised by members in this debate. Australians need strong and secure identity verification services. The limits and safeguards in the bills strike the right balance between achieving fast and convenient identity verification without compromising on privacy. These bills demonstrate the government's commitment to the continued delivery of critical services and the protection of Australians from the threat of identity fraud and theft. I commend the bill to the House.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>230886</name.id>
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  <para>The original question was that this bill be now read a second time. To this the honourable member for Griffith has moved an amendment that all words after 'That' be omitted with a view to substituting other words. The immediate question is that the amendment be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question unresolved.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>230886</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>As it is necessary to resolve this question to enable further questions to be considered in relation to this bill, in accordance with standing order 195 the bill will be returned to the House for further consideration.</para>
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    <time.stamp>11:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
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  <para>As it is necessary to resolve this question to enable further questions to be considered in relation to this bill, in accordance with standing order 195 the bill will be returned to the House for further consideration.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms MASCARENHAS</name>
    <name.id>298800</name.id>
    <electorate>Swan</electorate>
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  <para>Tobacco remains the leading cause of preventable death and disability in our country, so I welcome the opportunity to speak about the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023. After a wasted decade, this government said that we wouldn't waste a day, and this is one of the reasons that we've brought this bill to the House. Research estimates that two in three lifetime smokers will die from disease caused by their smoking. It remains the leading cause of cancer in our community. There are very few people that have not in some way been impacted by smoking related disease. That can include lung cancer, prostate cancer and bowel cancer, and all can be related to tobacco related diseases.</para>
<para>It costs Australia approximately 20,000 lives per year. This is a really sad number. It's not only the people who lose their lives to cancer related illness; it's the people they leave behind. My colleague was explaining to me how her father passed away from lung disease at the age of 70. Considering what the life expectancy is of Australians, that's really quite sad. I think that everyone would prefer to have their parents on this planet for as long as possible. The community impact is widespread, and this is fundamentally something that we can prevent. Smoking related disease also places a heavy burden on our healthcare system, and there's an economic cost that could be diverted elsewhere into research on other preventable diseases.</para>
<para>What is also a concern to me is the discrepancy between the rates of smoking for Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. Information from the Cancer Council reveals that while smoking rates across Australia have declined substantially over the past decade to about 15 per cent of the population, among the most disadvantaged groups rates are up to five times higher than the average population. While tobacco use has decreased over time, it remains much higher for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. About 45 per cent of our First Nations Australians smoke, compared to around 15 per cent for non-Indigenous Australians. Once again, we see a gap that needs to be closed. These rates of tobacco use are a major contributing factor to poor health incomes among our First Nations Australians. This means that the most disadvantaged groups in Australia bear a disproportionate share of tobacco related illnesses.</para>
<para>If we close the gap on smoking, we can improve the health outcomes for the most vulnerable people in our community, and I am super passionate about closing these gaps. Reducing smoking rates in these populations is an important and pressing public issue. Therefore, any measures that aim to do this should be wholeheartedly welcomed by the House. Putting in place effective measures to improve the lives of all Australians is the goal of this government, and these new laws aim to curb smoking and addiction to tobacco products. These are the biggest anti-smoking reforms in 12 years.</para>
<para>When we legislated our original plain-packaging rules, the world was looking at Australia. These were some of the biggest reforms that we had seen across the world, and, once again, Labor led the way to show that this is something that we can do. We can look at the marketing mechanism and actually reduce the rates of people smoking. These latest changes will require cigarette and vape packages to include health warnings. Under these new laws, individual cigarettes will carry warnings about the danger of the habit. Under these laws, the use of additives such as methanol will be banned.</para>
<para>We have also seen the rise of tobacco related products such as e-cigarettes. We have a commitment to improving the health of all Australians; however, the prevalence of vaping among our young Australians is now becoming a nationwide problem, and urgent action is needed. The latest research found that smoking and vaping cause eye problems in young people. An international study from Canada's McGill University found that people that smoke a combination of vapes and cigarettes have a higher likelihood of developing eye issues.</para>
<para>The use of e-cigarettes has become more common among both smokers and non-smokers. It's become more common across all age groups but, in particular, young people. We're seeing that this is a problem that high schools are needing to tackle. This is a concern for all of us, including parents. E-cigarettes are recognised as a pathway for people taking up smoking. While we've reduced the number of people smoking significantly in recent decades, e-cigarettes are now seen as a newfangled product that teenagers are fascinated to look at. But, once again, what it's doing is normalising smoking. Some of these e-cigarettes and vapes have added additives and flavouring, such as glycerol, propylene glycol and sorbitol, which makes them more toxic. Additives to tobacco products can amplify the effects of nicotine on the brain, making them even more addictive.</para>
<para>The flavours include cherry, menthol, strawberry—it sounds a bit like candy or ice cream. What they're trying to do is improve the user's experience of the tobacco product and make it more difficult for people to actually quit and also make it more marketable to young people by making it look like it's not what it really is. The truth is it's toxic chemicals that people are pumping into their systems.</para>
<para>Plain packaging has meant that the tobacco industry has had to devise clever strategies to market its products. Essentially, that's what I see e-cigarettes doing. Unconsciously, they are targeting children and, unfortunately, it is working. The National Health Survey data indicated that just under one in 12 Australians aged between 15 and 17 reported using an e-cigarette or vaping device at least once during 2020-21. This number is rising based on all the current trends.</para>
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    <name role="metadata">Ms MASCARENHAS</name>
    <name.id>298800</name.id>
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  <para>The tobacco companies have made a field day of targeting teenagers to increase their market share. It's something they're doing very intentionally, and it's something we need to be very cognisant of, particularly as legislators of this country. These companies make packaging child-friendly to appeal to teenagers. They're wanting to make smoking appear to be cool and acceptable again. The packaging is relatively discreet, so they don't look like cigarettes, which allows children to hide their e-cigarettes from their parents and their teachers.</para>
<para>The tobacco industry has spent millions, if not billions, defining and measuring the harshness experienced by a person during inhalation of their products—the roughness or the rawness in someone's mouth or throat. So, they've started to add sugars and other additives to basically design and manipulate the appearance of the harshness of the smoke on the mouth and throat. They go as far as to add extra chemicals in order to change the nature of the smoke by improving the aroma so that the experience is perceived to be more appealing to the smoker and to those standing by. It's sneaky, it's manipulative, and it's fundamentally about getting more and more people hooked on smoking so that the tobacco companies can increase their market share so that they can increase the sale of their products. The truth is, if they didn't disguise it, people would see it for what it truly is.</para>
<para>When I was growing up my father was a smoker, and as a kid I knew instinctively that it was a toxic habit. If you're honest, cigarette smoke doesn't really smell that pretty. One of the great things when I became a young adult was that we used to go out to the pub or to nightclubs, but you'd go home and you'd smell like an ashtray because of all the public smoking that used to happen in those venues. One of the great things that happened was when we banned smoking in those venues because nobody wanted to smell like an ashtray. It was so not the kind of thing that people wanted to do. But now that the tobacco companies have worked out that people don't want to smell like ashtrays, they're instead making smells—like cherry, like strawberries, these fresh fruity aromas that sound like candy.</para>
<para>This is about the market and increasing profits. We need to change our thinking about the way we control tobacco in our country, and we need laws that adapt to the current trends. We need to stay ahead of the big tobacco companies. Australia has a great legacy of being able to do this. We need to have a look at being a leader to make sure we look after our public and our community firsthand. We do this by listening, learning and responding to what's happening amongst our youth and amongst our community, especially those in Indigenous communities.</para>
<para>The government has recognised that a renewed focus on improving the health of all Australians is needed and hence we need this legislation. The community needs to understand that it's about more than just preventing kids from vaping at school. The new laws will allow Australia to reinforce its position in the world as a leader on the control of tobacco. The things we're looking at include updating and improving the health warnings. We're looking at improving coverage and enforcement and compliance by tobacco companies. We want to restrict the use of additives and regulate product design features. We want to make sure we restrict the use of brand names and insert the health promotion measures to help people quit, and also look at mandatory disclosure of all the ingredients.</para>
<para>This is one of the reasons the national peak medical body, the Australian Medical Association, as well as the Australian College of General Practitioners, are for the large part supporting the government's initiatives contained in this bill. Stronger regulation and enforcement of all e-cigarettes comes after a public consultation process in response to increased e-cigarette usage by children. The range of tobacco control measures, on top of the plain packaging of tobacco, will help the government achieve this aim.</para>
<para>There has never been a more important time to introduce this bill to parliament, because Australia's current tobacco related measures are split across eight different laws, regulations, instruments and court decisions. For example, the government is prohibiting certain forms of tobacco advertising. That's now 30 years old. But we are sorting out the convoluted patchwork of regulations, because we can no longer have smokers falling through the cracks. This bill brings tobacco measures together with 11 new measures into a single streamlined and effective act of parliament, which will re-ignite the fight against tobacco and nicotine addiction. The government is taking action for the benefit of the health of all Australians. Basically we've set an aim to reduce the national smoking rate to less than 10 per cent by 2025 and to five per cent or less by 2030, with the aim of reducing the rate to 27 per cent among First Nations people by 2030. It's one of the reasons that the national peak medical body and the Australian Medical Association are leaders and are supporting this bill. I think that these laws will help the government to achieve this aim. Really, this is about the future of our children. It's about the future of the health of our people in Australia, so I commend this bill to the House.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr WEBSTER</name>
    <name.id>281688</name.id>
    <electorate>Mallee</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Let be there no question, the coalition supports any measure to improve the health of all Australians. The intent of the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023 is right. However, I question whether this bill does enough. In fact, I can see the measures resulting in perverse outcomes for our nation. Mandating new graphic warnings on packaging, including external warnings, banning packets of certain sizes, banning specified additives and other measures put forward by this bill are all well and good; however, what we don't want to see is an increase in black market sales. I fear these measures could cause that, on top of Labor's legislated five per cent increase in tobacco excise, per year, for the next three years.</para>
<para>We need to acknowledge that there is an unprecedented illegal market operating for tobacco and nicotine vapes around the country. In Melbourne alone, Victoria Police report that there have been at least 29 arson attacks linked to the illegal tobacco trade in Melbourne over the last six months. One in four cigarettes sold now comes from the black market and more then 90 per cent of vaping products are illegally purchased. Australia's black market, unfortunately, is thriving. The current laws do nothing but encourage that criminal behaviour. Unscrupulous individuals sell their products to anyone, including children, with funds used to bankroll even more nefarious activities.</para>
<para>The minister's bill serves to make products he is seeking to ban all that more enticing for the black market. Meanwhile, the Albanese government has refused to provide a single extra dollar for illegal tobacco and vape enforcement, while state police are too busy dealing with burglaries, drug dealers and other criminal elements. With no funding and no plan from the Albanese government to crack down on the black market, authorities have neither the powers, the time nor the resources to police federally, through border control, or through the police at a state level, this huge and growing illegal market.</para>
<para>I will take this opportunity to say I have major concerns about how prevalent these products are among our young people. A recent study found one in four Australians aged 14 to 17 have vaped and 5.7 per cent of teens surveyed class themselves as regular vapers. Those are shocking numbers. Parents and grandparents are deeply concerned about their children and grandchildren vaping.</para>
<para>An estimated 90 million unregulated, illegal Chinese vapes, per year, are flooding into Australia with no product standards, no packaging requirements and no safety standards, all readily available in local stores and online on the black market. With 500 million containers a year flooding through our ports, the Australian Border Force is not equipped to stop every illegal shipment. It is a simple fact. We need measures at federal and state level that stop our children being able to access these colourful, sweet-smelling vapes filled with dangerous chemicals, clearly marketed for them. Current vaping laws are clearly being ignored on an industrial scale. These laws require an adult vaper to go to a doctor to get a prescription, and then find one of the very few pharmacies that stock vaping products. They were well-meaning laws at the time when they were introduced by the former Minister for Health and Aged Care, Greg Hunt, but the landscape has changed. If people cannot get a prescription or see a doctor, the prevalence of the black market trade in vapes makes it simple for them to access. This bill only empowers that trade. The intention of the Minister for Health and Aged Care to ban non-prescription vaping in Australia would result in the same outcome.</para>
<para>The Nationals firmly believe that we should be learning from the past and regulate vapes as we have done with cigarettes. Prohibition of a mainstream adult product has never worked and will never work. However, when Australia regulated cigarettes, we saw an 80 per cent reduction in juvenile cigarette use. The outcome of regulating cigarettes gives a precedent for a path forward. Regulating the sale of vapes to adults will disincentivise the black market. Australia's regulatory model for cigarettes has been proven to work in protecting our children, and we must take the same pragmatic approach to regulate vapes.</para>
<para>According to the RACGP, Australia is the only country in the world to restrict access to vaping products on a prescription-only basis. All other Western democracies regulate vaping products as a controlled adult consumer product. While the Minister for Health and Aged Care may claim this tobacco bill is at the forefront of global tobacco control, the reality is it is half-baked and does not go far enough. Aside from advertising and sponsorship bans on vaping products, which are welcomed, it does nothing to address Australia's rampant vaping crisis. The only way to fix that crisis is to extend this tobacco control bill to regulate vaping products in the same way as tobacco.</para>
<para>Recently commissioned research by the RedBridge Group has found nearly 90 per cent of Australians agree or strongly agree that regulated nicotine vaping products should be sold through licensed retail outlets the same way as alcohol and tobacco products, and 68 per cent of Australians see government regulation of nicotine vapes as poor or very poor. The Albanese Labor government must move the dial on that perception. One thing is for sure: this current bill will not do it. Without change, the health minister's tobacco bill will do nothing to fix Australia's rampant unregulated vaping black market.</para>
<para>On tobacco itself, we must acknowledge this serious social and economic problem too, even as we navigate a newer landscape with the prevalence of vapes. Estimates from FTI Consulting show almost one-quarter of tobacco consumption in Australia in 2022 was illegal, resulting in a revenue loss of $4.2 billion. Imagine what that could fund. These figures highlight the critical need for the Albanese Labor government to implement policy measures to capture that lost revenue. Will this bill do that? It will not. In fact, it is more likely to drive up the illegal trade.</para>
<para>That illegal trade is already prevalent. Victoria has been a popular target for gangs to grow tobacco, allegedly, at places like Nhill—in my electorate of Mallee—Broadford and the Goulburn Valley. In 2021, officers from the multi-agency Illicit Tobacco Taskforce uncovered more than 40 hectares of the plant growing on properties either side of the Victoria-New South Wales border near Swan Hill, also in Mallee. The potential value of that haul was estimated at $84.3 million. Just last year, in the Riverina, a New South Wales police operation led to $42 million worth of illicit tobacco being found and destroyed. Never mind the importers; the crimes are also being committed right here on our shores.</para>
<para>The road map to fix Australia's illegal tobacco crisis has already been written, with bipartisan support, through the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Law Enforcement inquiry into illicit tobacco. The PJCLE report recommended Australia's rampant illegal tobacco market, with an organised criminal element driving it, should become a law enforcement issue, not a policy area for the Department of Health and Aged Care. The report also recommended a national strategy on illegal tobacco; legislative reform; and funding to support law enforcement agencies across the federal, state and territory governments to crack down on the organised criminal gangs flooding Australia with cheap, illegal tobacco products. This inquiry was established by the former coalition government, with a government response published in November 2020. However, under the Albanese government, not a single recommendation has been progressed, despite the four Labor MPs and senators who participated in the inquiry endorsing the recommendations. Here we are, right now in this chamber, still talking about the health issues rather than the enforcement issues.</para>
<para>Former CEO of the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission Mike Phelan said:</para>
<quote><para class="block">As the cost of legal tobacco products continues to rise through frequent increases in excise, serious and organised crime groups are taking advantage of the opportunity to make more illicit profits.</para></quote>
<para>The Police Federation of Australia president, Scott Weber, says that Australia has taxed tobacco into making it illicit. This bill simply makes the black market a more viable option for those who want to sell their products.</para>
<para>The minister needs to listen to his experts. I note this bill has been referred to the Senate Community Affairs Legislation Committee, with a report due on 22 November. Once that process is finished, there will possibly be amendments. However, at this time, my Nationals colleagues and I are calling for a pragmatic approach when it comes to vaping. It is time to treat vapes just as we have been treating cigarettes so successfully.</para>
<para>Vaping is a scourge on our youth, just like cigarettes are. Australia solved the latter through regulation, a method which we can repeat when it comes to vapes. Regulation will curtail the criminally run black market trade that is so rampant when it comes to vaping. It will also ease the burden on our health system, cutting down on the need for vaping users to clog up our general practice waiting rooms. From there, we can seek to fully address other health issues. I reiterate that the intent of this bill is right, but I caution the minister about unintended consequences and call on this parliament to have a serious discussion about a better way forward.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STANLEY</name>
    <name.id>265990</name.id>
    <electorate>Werriwa</electorate>
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  <para>I rise to make my contribution to the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023. Tobacco smoking remains the leading cause of preventable death and disability in Australia. It is a sad problem, and tackling this remains one of the great unfinished challenges of our times. But this government is committed to doing its part to continue to push forward and meet the challenge in the many modern forms it takes.</para>
<para>When Labor was last in government 10 years ago, it launched the plain packaging reform. Since then, there's been a drop in smoking rates equivalent to one million fewer Australians smoking. This government will recognise what has worked in the past and improve on what has not. Our current tobacco related measures are split across as many as eight different laws, regulations, instruments and court decisions. For example, the government's legislation prohibiting certain forms of tobacco advertising is now 30 years old. This convoluted patchwork of regulations has created gaps and has meant that the regulations have failed to meet their potential.</para>
<para>This bill brings together tobacco measures with 11 new measures into a single streamlined and effective act of parliament which will strength the fight against tobacco and nicotine addiction. It consolidates various tobacco related laws, regulations and instruments and formalises requirements previously addressed through the court enforceable undertakings. It modifies and simplifies additional provisions and introduces new measures to discourage smoking and tobacco use and prevent the promotion of e-cigarettes. The bill supports the National Tobacco Strategy 2023-2030, which commits to reducing daily smoking prevalence to below 10 per cent by 2025 and five per cent by 2030. It also prioritises tackling smoking in First Nations communities to reduce smoking rates to 27 per cent by 2030.</para>
<para>Without action by government, current tobacco control measures are unlikely to achieve these targets. That's why the Albanese government is introducing a suite of tobacco control reforms to provide a renewed focus on improving the public health of Australians by discouraging smoking and the use of tobacco or e-cigarette products. We'll do this by updating and improving graphic health warnings on packaging to better inform consumers of the effects of tobacco use. We will do this by improving coverage, enforcement and compliance for tobacco control through updating advertising restrictions, definitions and the movement to the civil penalties regime. We will do this by expanding existing advertising prohibitions to reduce the public's exposure to advertising and promotion of e-cigarettes and other novel and emerging products, particularly for young and vulnerable people.</para>
<para>We will also restrict the use of additives and ingredients that enhance the attractiveness and palatability of tobacco products by bettering the regulation of production design features that make tobacco products more attractive to consumers, including crush balls and novel filters. We will also do this by prohibiting the use of brand and variant names that falsely imply reduced harm, by requiring health promotion inserts to encourage and empower people who smoke to quit, by enforcing the mandatory disclosure of sales volume and pricing, as well as expenditure on advertising and promotion, and by putting in place dissuasive measures on factory-made cigarettes to help increase knowledge of health harms of smoking, reduce the appeal of smoking, reduce smoking uptake and encourage smoking cessation. As you can see, we're taking a substantial amount of action on the issue, because we know this is a serious issue and we are treating it that way.</para>
<para>The government is also committed to introducing new controls on e-cigarette importation, contents and packaging. We will work with the states and territories to address the black market for e-cigarettes through the therapeutic goods framework and through stronger border measures. The bill modernises our regulation of tobacco products consistent with the international best practice, ensuring Australia remains at the forefront of public health and tobacco control.</para>
<para>The bill specifies a number of requirements that tobacco products must comply with, including requirements and limitations relating to plain packaging, health warnings and the terms that can be used on product packaging. In addition, the bill facilitates the minister imposing a permanent ban on chewing tobacco and snuffs intended for oral use, consistent with the existing ban in the Trade Practices Act 1974 Consumer Protection Notice No. 10 of 1991, 'Permanent Ban on Goods'. The bill obliges certain persons to report to the Secretary of the Department of Health and Aged Care on a variety of matters, including ingredients used in tobacco products, volumes of sales, imports, marketing and promotional expenditure. The minister is required to publish these reports or part thereof if it is appropriate in the circumstances to do so.</para>
<para>A range of compliance and enforcement powers are provided for this bill, including by applying the regulatory powers in the Regulatory Powers (Standard Provisions) Act 2014 to ensure an enhanced compliance with new laws. Among other things, new civil penalty provisions have been introduced for greater flexibility to facilitate compliance with legislative requirements without the need to resort to criminal prosecution. The new maximum penalty for bodies corporate, which is 10 times higher than the maximum penalty for individuals, has also been included to deter noncompliance by ensuring that a penalty cannot be considered an acceptable cost of doing business.</para>
<para>The Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023 deals with the consequential and transitional matters arising from the enactment of this bill. It provides application, savings and transitional provisions to allow a smooth transition to the new requirements, including a main transitional period of 12 months, along with a retailer transition of a further three months. The introduction and passage of these bills during the 2023 spring sitting period is required to support the timely implementation of these measures prior to the sunsetting of the Tobacco Plain Packaging Regulations 2011 and the Tobacco Advertising Prohibition Regulation 1993 on 1 April 2024.</para>
<para>Regulatory burdens are likely to be most concentrated on the tobacco industry, with minimal impacts on retailers or individual users. These impacts on industry will include the cost of planning and modifying the manufacturing process. However, this government knows that it can look out for the health and wellbeing of its citizens while also being economically responsible. Due to the high costs resulting from tobacco use, including health, economic, social and environmental costs, it would require just 73 people to permanently quit smoking to cover the $21.77 million annual placeholder estimate for the regulatory burden. As 73 people represent approximately 0.028 per cent of the Australian smoking people, this means that the benefits of lower smoking rates are likely to offset the regulatory burden estimates if the policies encourage just one out of every 37,420 smokers to quit. The Albanese government has consulted broadly on these reforms and the draft of this legislative scheme. Briefings have been provided to all interested parties.</para>
<para>From 31 May 2023 the department of health conducted a public submission process seeking stakeholder feedback on the proposed reforms, including exposure drafts. Targeted consultation workshops with key stakeholders were also conducted. Online submissions were received from individual consumers, academics, public health organisations, state and territory health departments, Commonwealth agencies, tobacco manufacturers, importers, wholesalers, packagers and retailers. In general, public health stakeholders were supportive of the proposed reforms and amendments to the draft legislation, and some concerns were addressed. These included changes to the definition of an e-cigarette to ensure that vaping devices which resemble toys, food, drinks, cartoon characters, animals, musical instruments—the list goes on—are captured by the advertising and sponsorship prohibition.</para>
<para>Additionally, changes were made to the definition of 'prohibited term' to ensure that terms that imply a positive quality are captured. The bill provides limits on matters that will be included in the delegated legislation. The provisions in the bill specify the subject content and, in turn, what is included in the regulations. Some of the provisions in the bill relating to retail-packaging requirements include the content of tobacco information standard, which will be in the regulations. Due to its nature in including the level of detail, this material is more appropriately contained in an instrument rather than an act of parliament.</para>
<para>As a public health measure, directing to discourage the uptake and encouraging the cessation of smoking, the product and packaging requirements need to be adaptable. The substantive ability to prescribe such requirements are included in the bill, while the requirements themselves will be contained in the regulations, which are subject to disallowance. This supports an approach that is adaptive to an evolving public health issue, contemporary political advice and changes in technology and the market more generally. These reforms are supported by robust evidence of the impact of the measures on smoking. The long-term objectives are to reduce the prevalence by reducing uptake with a particular focus on youths and young adults. These measures will further strengthen gains made by Australia's world-leading reforms, such as plain packaging.</para>
<para>Labor has a proud history when it comes to tobacco control and is creating world-leading policy. We know this because 26 countries have followed Australia's example on plain packaging. Australia was once a world leader on tobacco control, and we will be again. The 11 measures in the government's tobacco reforms will put us back into a world-leading position alongside fellow OECD nations such as New Zealand and Canada. The Albanese government is determined to do all it can to tackle the harms that are caused by smoking. We want to ensure that in the future people don't take up smoking in the first place. I commend the bill to the House.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr VIOLI</name>
    <name.id>300147</name.id>
    <electorate>Casey</electorate>
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  <para>Tobacco consumption has exacted a devastating toll on Australians over the last five decades, resulting in health, economic and societal damage. Despite a steady decline in smoking rates since the 1960s, the legacy of decades of widespread tobacco use lingers in the form of a significant burden on the health system.</para>
<para>According to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare data from the 2019 National Drug Strategy Household Survey, around 11 per cent of Australians aged 14 and over reported being current daily smokers. This represents a significant reduction from 1991, when it was 24.3 per cent, and it is a good result from the comprehensive tobacco control measures implemented in Australia.</para>
<para>Smoking-related illnesses, as we know, include cancers, respiratory diseases and cardiovascular conditions, which continue to claim lives, strain healthcare resources and impact families. My family was impacted when my nonno passed away from emphysema. Having grown up in a different era, he was one of those people that smoked regularly. It's also the economic cost of tobacco related harm in terms of lost productivity and increased healthcare expenditures. They remain substantial.</para>
<para>The Public Health (Tobacco And Other Products) Bill 2023 and the accompanying Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023 have been designed to streamline tobacco regulation in Australia. The bill will also expand the existing advertising restrictions to apply to e-cigarettes, also known as vapes; introduce new measures with respect to tobacco packaging; and introduce new reporting requirements for the tobacco industry. This includes restrictions on advertising and promotion to reduce the allure of these products. It mandates the requirement for plain packaging of tobacco products, including stringent regulations on the appearance, content and standards of the tobacco products, to further discourage their consumption. The bill establishes provisions for compliance and enforcement, including the appointment of authorised officers and civil penalty provisions, to ensure that the regulations are followed. The bill includes various provisions related to delegations and constitutional matters.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr VIOLI</name>
    <name.id>300147</name.id>
    <electorate>Casey</electorate>
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  <para>As you would imagine, stakeholders such as the Cancer Council, the AMA, the Royal Australian College of GPs and the Public Health Association of Australia all expressed their support for the aims of this bill. However, the RACGP did bring up an important issue of enforcement process for social media platforms that are hosted overseas, such as TikTok. They suggested that it would require clarity and funding. They have sought clarification.</para>
<para>In 2012, Australia became the first country to implement plain-packaging laws, a step in the global fight against tobacco use. Both Labor and coalition governments have consistently raised tobacco excise taxes to reduce affordability and discourage smoking, further demonstrating our bipartisan commitment to addressing this critical public health issue. In addition to plain packaging, graphic health warnings have been introduced on tobacco products, discouraging consumption by highlighting the devastating effects of smoking related diseases. The National Tobacco Strategy 2012-2018 outlined Australia's commitment to reducing tobacco related harm. The coalition government continued implementing and evaluating this strategy to achieve its objectives.</para>
<para>While the coalition supports the intent of this bill, it is essential to note that the Senate committee inquiry has commenced with a reporting date of 22 November. Any significant issues that arise from this report should be taken into consideration. The bills do not address the stronger regulation of e-cigarette availability, vapes and supply. They only seek to prohibit certain forms of e-cigarette advertisements and sponsorships.</para>
<para>I'm sure many other members have the same experience I do when talking to every school principal we meet—particularly in high schools but, worryingly, even primary schools—about the challenge of vapes in their schools. Many are resorting to locking their bathrooms during class hours or having a teacher accompanying students to the bathroom—this means students can't sneak out—such is the uptake of vapes among young people at the moment.</para>
<para>It is with disappointment that I note this bill does not address the rampant and growing issue of the illegal tobacco trade in our country. This bill would be an opportunity to address the illegal tobacco trade in Australia as it poses a serious threat to public health, government revenue and the very objective that the public health bill seeks to achieve. The illegal tobacco market not only undermines the effectiveness of existing tobacco control measures, but also significantly impacts government revenue and encourages a thriving black market. This is something that I've seen in my electorate of Casey. Many residents reach out, concerned when one of these new stores opens up. In Victoria in particular, and I am sure this also happens in other states, we've seen a concerning level of increase in violence and in fire bombings, and this has all been linked to the illegal tobacco trade. And when one of these illegal stores goes into a community, it also has a perverse impact on those businesses that are legally selling tobacco products because they see their revenues significantly drop.</para>
<para>The challenge with this is many people with small family businesses have invested significant money into their businesses and they're doing the right thing, but they are potentially faced with the choice of continuing to follow the law and go bankrupt or looking to put illegal tobacco into their stores just to compete. That's not a criticism of these people, because they've been put in a tough situation. This is something that we need to address.</para>
<para>While the bill focuses on imposing penalties for noncompliance with legal tobacco regulations, it falls short when it comes to deterring and penalising those involved in the illicit tobacco trade. The penalties for engaging in this illicit, illegal activity remain largely unchanged, even in the face of these growing threats that it presents. To effectively combat this illegal trade requires not only strict penalties but also proactive measures aimed at dismantling the illegal tobacco networks that thrive in the shadows. These networks operate with relative impunity, undermining public health objectives and costing the government significant revenue.</para>
<para>Most illegal tobacco is smuggled in from overseas. This makes it a federal issue. The existence of a thriving black market for tobacco products undermines the effectiveness of tobacco control measures, such as excise taxes and plain packaging laws. The illegal tobacco trade often involves organised crime and money laundering, contributing to a broader range of criminal activities across our society. Addressing this must be an integral part of any comprehensive tobacco control strategy. Significantly increasing penalties associated with illegal tobacco trade needs to be given appropriate consideration. This would not only serve as a deterrent but also allow for more effective legal action against those involved in this illicit activity.</para>
<para>Coordinated efforts between law enforcement agencies, border control and other relevant authorities is essential to dismantle these illicit tobacco networks. Given the global nature of the illegal tobacco trade, international collaboration with countries where these products are manufactured or trafficked is also crucial. To ensure the success of these public health measures, it is imperative that we tackle the illicit tobacco trade with equal vigour. Without addressing the growing black market, this bill risks not being worth the paper it is written on. It is important that we get it right.</para>
<para>The bill's objectives can only be fully achieved through a coordinated, comprehensive and robust effort to combat this growing problem. It is our hope that these concerns will be taken into serious consideration to safeguard the health and wellbeing of Australians and the economic interests of our nation. I look forward to the findings of the upcoming Senate committee inquiry and the actions that come out of that inquiry. Together, we can make important advancements in protecting the health and wellbeing of all Australians.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr PERRETT</name>
    <name.id>HVP</name.id>
    <electorate>Moreton</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill, a bill that builds on the pioneering tobacco control reforms introduced by past Labor governments, including Australia's world-leading tobacco plain packaging reforms. I would just like to give a special shout-out to Nicola Roxon, whose commitment saved and changed lives. She was able to translate her personal family experience into legislation, which flowed on to global action, which I will touch on in my speech.</para>
<para>This bill consolidates the existing Commonwealth tobacco control framework into one act with associated regulations, thereby streamlining the operation of the laws. It modernises and simplifies the existing provisions and introduces new measures to discourage smoking and addresses the health risks posed by vaping and e-cigarette products. I heard the member for Casey raise concerns about illegal tobacco, and I do share some of those concerns. I've heard that same concern from retailers in my area. I'm hoping the federal government can step up some of the border control measures when it comes to chop-chop being brought into Australia.</para>
<para>But in talking about this legislation, this is not the first time I've stood and talked about plain packaging of tobacco. That was a great Labor government policy, and it was achieved despite some fierce opposition from the Liberal and National parties. And I note that the National Party still takes money from big tobacco—amazing. When Nicola Roxon introduced plain packaging, around 16 per cent of Australians smoked on a daily basis. Today that rate is down to 11 per cent and was heading south for quite a while. That's the equivalent of one million fewer Australians smoking, one million lives changed, because of government intervention.</para>
<para>When the current Minister for Health, the Hon. Mark Butler, introduced this bill he said that, despite previous reforms, tobacco use remains the leading cause of preventable death and disability among Australians. It's estimated to kill more than 20,000 Australians each year. It's also the risk factor that's the greatest contributor to the health gap between First Nations people and non-indigenous Australians. The health impacts of these reforms will mean that tens of thousands of families will never have to experience the pain of seeing a loved one suffer with lung cancer and that vast range of other disorders caused by smoking, including emphysema, which my good friend, with whom I've recently written a book, suffers from. Hopefully these measures will save many, many lives.</para>
<para>While Australia's plain packaging measures have made it harder for the tobacco industry to promote its products via packaging and brand design features, big tobacco has found new loopholes to promote its products and to increase their appeal, particularly to young people. And, as the member for Casey said, organised criminals are trying to make the most of this strong Australian legislation through criminal activities. So, once again it's up to a Labor government to close the loopholes that undermine our tobacco control measures.</para>
<para>In a previous life, when I was an adviser to the Queensland health minister, Stephen Robinson, back in the early noughties, the Queensland Labor government introduced the toughest smoking and tobacco laws in Australia. Back then, the first phase included smoking bans at major sporting venues, on patrolled beaches and in children's playgrounds, and there were strict controls on tobacco retailing. Queensland went on to make it illegal to smoke in any indoor area of pubs and clubs and any commercial outdoor eating or drinking area. There were many naysayers back then, but no-one could deny that Queensland is a healthier place, and no-one would consider taking the Sunshine State back to the bad old days of smoke-filled restaurants and bars. Even a party that is grifting off big tobacco wouldn't propose that, surely.</para>
<para>Labor's current commitment is consistent with Australia's obligations as a party to the World Health Organization Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, which is an international treaty that aims to protect present and future generations from the harms of tobacco use and exposure to tobacco smoke. Our commitment ensures that Australian laws keep up with novel and emerging products and novel and emerging marketing strategies, particularly to young people. So, this bill modernises, simplifies and streamlines our regulation of tobacco products, keeping up with international best practice. The tobacco regulations that were put in place by the Gillard Labor government in 2011—which, by my calculation, was about 20 prime ministers ago!—unfortunately expire on 1 April 2024. This means that the current suite of regulations for plain packaging and tobacco advertising will lapse. There has never been a more important time to introduce this bill to the parliament.</para>
<para>As I mentioned earlier, Australia's current tobacco related measures are split across as many as eight different laws, regulations, instruments and court decisions. For example, the Commonwealth government's legislation prohibiting certain forms of tobacco advertising is now 30 years old. This convoluted patchwork of regulations, with gaps, has meant that smokers are falling through the cracks. This bill brings together tobacco measures along with 11 new measures into a single streamlined and effective act of parliament, which will re-ignite the fight against tobacco and nicotine addiction. The bill complements the National Tobacco Strategy2023-2030, which aims to achieve a national daily smoking prevalence of less than 10 per cent by next year and five per cent or less by 2030, and to reduce the daily smoking rate among First Nations people down to 27 per cent or below by 2030.</para>
<para>Australia's Commonwealth tobacco control framework, including the Tobacco Advertising Prohibition Act, the Tobacco Plain Packaging Act and all their associated regulations, have been the subject of a lengthy review to make sure they're fit for purpose. The review involved a comprehensive analysis of options to modernise the existing legislative framework for tobacco control, ensuring it addresses current gaps in limitations and assists with tackling future challenges in tobacco control. Without further action by government, including the new measures proposed in the bill in front of the chamber, it would be very unlikely that the current tobacco control measures would achieve the targets that I mentioned before.</para>
<para>Among other things, the bill before the chamber will: provide for updated and improved health warnings on tobacco products to better inform consumers about the effects of tobacco use; improve coverage, enforcement and compliance for tobacco control through updated advertising restrictions, definitions and the introduction of the civil penalties regime; expand advertising prohibitions to reduce the public's exposure to the advertising and promotion of e-cigarettes and other novel and emerging products, particularly those marketed towards young and vulnerable people; restrict the use of additives and ingredients that enhance the attractiveness and palatability of tobacco products; better regulate product design features that are known to make tobacco products more attractive to consumers, including crush balls and novel filters; restrict the use of brand and variant names that falsely imply reduced harm; include health promotion inserts that encourage and empower people who smoke to quit; and include the mandatory disclosure of tobacco product ingredients, sales volume and pricing data, and advertising, promotion and sponsorship expenditure. I'm sure there will also be a complementary targeting of illegal tobacco coming into Australia under the minister—not the health minister, obviously.</para>
<para>These reforms represent a renewed focus on improving the public health of Australians by discouraging smoking and the use of tobacco products, while also bringing them lockstep with the vaping measures that the Minister for Health announced back in May this year. The Albanese government has consulted broadly on the proposed reforms. We held a six-week public consultation period on an exposure draft. Submissions were received from individuals, consumers, academics, public health organisations, state and territory health departments, Commonwealth agencies, tobacco manufacturers, importers, wholesalers, packagers and retailers. Feedback from all of that consultation has influenced the final drafting of the bill. For example, the commencement date was changed from 1 July next year to July 2025 following feedback from industry stakeholders, and a proposed requirement to report on research and development activities was removed. Most importantly, these reforms are supported by robust evidence of the impact of the measures on smoking. The long-term objectives are to reduce uptake, with a particular focus on youth and young adults, because if you reduce uptake in that group, you stop the next generation from becoming lifelong smokers. These measures are designed to make sure we get more people who do smoke to quit. The measures will further strengthen gains made by Australia's world-leading reforms, such as plain packaging.</para>
<para>That proud history when it comes to tobacco control largely sits at Labor's door. We led the world after Nicola Roxon introduced plain packaging, and since then 26 countries have followed her example. They recognise that it's a policy that saves lives and will continue to save lives into the future. I recall fierce opposition to the plain-packaging laws when they were introduced. Then opposition leader Tony Abbott—himself a former health minister in the Howard government—attacked these reforms at the time by saying they weren't health policy but tax policy. In 2009, the same year the coalition raked in nearly $300,000 in donations from big tobacco, the shadow health minister, the Hon. Peter Dutton, said these world-leading, life-saving reports were, in his words, 'A bridge too far.' I kid you not—the current Leader of the Opposition said that tobacco reform was a bridge too far. He just said 'no' and has obviously been saying it ever since. Given that attitude, it's not surprising that when they were in government the coalition did near nothing in their 10-year term to reduce smoking and vaping rates across the country, amazingly, for the first time in 50 years.</para>
<para>I remind you again that the Nationals remain the only major political party to accept donations from big tobacco, accepting at least $276,000 between 2015-16 and 2021-22 from Philip Morris Pty Ltd, shamefully. Australia was once a world leader on tobacco control, and now we are a bit of a laggard. It is no coincidence, as industry dictated policy under the former coalition government.</para>
<para>Unlike under those opposite, the 11 measures in the government's Reignite the Fight Against Tobacco Addiction reforms will put us back into a world-leading position, alongside fellow OECD nations, like New Zealand and Canada, and I think the UK is also making moves—I saw that announcement recently.</para>
<para>The Albanese government is determined to do all that it can to tackle the harm caused by smoking. We want to make sure that in the future people don't take up smoking in the first place. I call on all those opposite to put out their opposition to this legislation, to stub it out and to support this important reform. I commend the legislation to the House.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STEGGALL</name>
    <name.id>175696</name.id>
    <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I welcome the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023 and the measures it introduces to streamline, tighten and catch up with regulations related to tobacco products, but there are some key issues that need amendments in this bill. It still allows political donations from vaping companies, and I note the comments from the previous government representative and other members calling out donations to the National Party from big tobacco. Yet this very bill, on their watch, allows for an exception for vaping companies to donate to political parties. So, the hypocrisy is there, but I will be moving an amendment to that effect and I urge those members to talk to their minister, to accept those amendments.</para>
<para>Vaping use almost tripled amongst Australian adults between 2013 and 2019. For the first time, cigarette smoking amongst teenagers has also increased. Rates of teen vaping have been rising rapidly in Australia. According to data from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, the prevalence of vaping amongst young Australians has been steadily increasing. As a parent of young adults, I find it horrendous to see how pervasive this has become. A survey conducted in 2021 found that 17.6 per cent of 14-to 17-year-olds had tried vaping and 3.4 per cent were using vaping products regularly. This is an incredibly concerning trend as it represents a significant rise, from under one per cent in just 2018.</para>
<para>It's no wonder why. There is an insidious marketing strategy by vape companies being deployed across Australia and the world to lure children into lolly shops that, in reality, are fronts for selling vapes. It's unfolding before our eyes. In my own electorate of Warringah, these insidious illegal vape shops are popping up regularly. Just as insidious is the appearance of the vapes that they sell, looking and tasting like the lollies they sit alongside. I continually hear from parents, seriously concerned about the prevalence of vapes in schools and vape shops located close to schools. Local media in the electorate of Warringah and our surrounding region, like the <inline font-style="italic">Manly Observer</inline> and the <inline font-style="italic">N</inline><inline font-style="italic">orthern Beaches Advocate</inline>, continue to diligently cover this issue, but the regulation is far behind. How can we have vape shops allowed close to schools, marketing directly to children?</para>
<para>The federal health minister announced in May that legislation would be introduced to stop both nicotine and non-nicotine vape importation. We are nearing the end of the year with no such legislation before this parliament in relation to that import.</para>
<para>The law and the reality are completely out of step. Since October 2021, nicotine vapes are available only by prescription through pharmacists. This has not stopped their sale through vape shops and online, often to children. States are taking action, but the federal government must also. I acknowledge and welcome the $4.3 million in the budget for police raids on illegal vape shops in the New South Wales state budget, but I'm calling on the government here to immediately introduce legislation to stop the importation of illegal vapes, ban disposable vapes and do more to ensure that only those with a prescription are accessing nicotine vapes. Additionally, I call on the government to ban such shops, vape shops, from within 300 metres of our schools. It is just incredible that that is allowed.</para>
<para>We must stop the trend of vaping, which has almost tripled among Australian adults between 2013 and 2019, to avoid its unintended consequences and likely another health crisis. Although vaping has been marketed as a safer alternative to traditional cigarettes, there is growing evidence that it poses significant risks, especially to children and adolescents. A single vape exposes the user to over 100 chemicals and heavy metals, and Queensland researchers are even investigating radioactive polonium-210.</para>
<para>This bill is welcome, but it merely skirts around the edges. Its objectives are consistent with community expectation, but its substance fails to address the biggest issue facing this country in achieving those objectives. I appreciate that this bill is addressing some of the strategic objectives of the National Tobacco Strategy. It is updating laws that are approaching sunsetting, and it does form part of a broad strategy to reduce smoking prevalence to below 20 per cent by 2025 and below five per cent or less by 2030. I welcome the definition of 'selling a vape' to include having a vape on the premises, whether or not it is accessible or visible to a consumer. This ensures that prosecution of stores that are masquerading as lolly shops with vapes hidden out the back or behind the counter will not have the potential defence of the product not being for sale.</para>
<para>I welcome the broadening of packaging requirements to include not only warnings but also information on how people can quit. This measure has been successful in Canada. We know that plain packaging and graphic health warnings on nicotine products work. A 25 per cent decrease in smoking between the years of 2012 and 2015 is attributed to this and has been described by academics as a global success story. But we need to make sure we're doing as much as we possibly can in relation to the scourge of vaping now.</para>
<para>I also welcome the measures to end the use of terms and additives that imply products are healthier, whether that be 'light', 'mild' or my personal pet peeve, 'alpine'. All flavours should be banned. We know of greenwashing, but this is healthwashing—marketing trickery, trying to influence and induce people to think that somehow this product is not as bad as it seems.</para>
<para>I support the restrictions on sponsorship, but the government should not be excluded. I intend to move amendments to further restrict the advertising and online sale of vapes and ensure the government is also prevented from accepting donations from the industries. It is quite incredible that these loopholes are being allowed to remain, and they should be closed. It's incredible to listen to the speeches from government members accusing the National Party of accepting political donations from the tobacco industry. That loophole should be closed, but so should this one. I wonder how aware Labor members are that this legislation they purport to endorse allows for an exception of political donations from vaping companies. Is this really the standard you stand by? Are these the values the parents in your communities expect of you?</para>
<para>I'm supportive of this legislation, but I will put forward amendments with the intent of making this legislation even better and make a statement on what I know are the expectations of parents around the country. We need to delete a number of clauses from this legislation. The practical effect of this will be to further restrict physical advertising, online advertising and advertising on aeroplanes for vapes and online sale of vapes. The amendment in relation to the clause on political donations and electoral expenses will ensure that our political system is not influenced by donations from the vaping lobby.</para>
<para>It's quite extraordinary that that loophole is being allowed to remain. It's perplexing. When I convey that to parents around my electorate, they are simply dumbfounded. I urge members of the government to talk to their Minister for Health and Aged Care. Go back and ask just why this loophole is being allowed to remain in this legislation. It's time to genuinely close loopholes. If we are focused on the health of our children and the next generation and we want to stop the scourge of vaping influencing them, getting them hooked on nicotine, then let's genuinely do it, but let's make sure we don't have politicians in this place also hooked on nicotine.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms MILLER-FROST</name>
    <name.id>296272</name.id>
    <electorate>Boothby</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Tobacco is the leading preventable cause of morbidity and mortality in Australia. It is the leading cause of cancer in Australia and accounts for 44 per cent of the burden of cancer. Smoking not only causes lung cancer; it causes many other types of cancer, as well as heart disease, stroke, lung disease, diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, emphysema and chronic bronchitis. Smoking increases the risk for tuberculosis, certain eye diseases and problems of the immune system, including rheumatoid arthritis.</para>
<para>Second-hand smoke exposure contributes to approximately 41,000 deaths among non-smoking adults and 400 deaths in infants each year. Second-hand smoke causes throat and lung cancer and coronary disease in adults. Children who have been exposed to second-hand smoke are at increased risk for sudden infant death syndrome, acute respiratory infections, middle ear disease, severe asthma, respiratory symptoms and slowed lung growth.</para>
<para>Smoking in pregnancy reduces the oxygen and nutrient supply to the growing foetus due to carbon monoxide and nicotine in tobacco smoke. It leads to slower growth and development and an increased risk of birth defects, such as cleft lip and cleft palate. Smoking is indisputably a bad thing from a public health perspective and in terms of the health of our nation.</para>
<para>The good news, if there can be any good news in this arena, is that daily smoking rates in Australia are around the lowest amongst the OECD countries and there has been a long-term downward trend in tobacco smoking in Australia. The National Drug Strategy Household Survey showed that, between 1991 and 2019, the proportion of persons aged 14 and over smoking daily more than halved, from 24 per cent to 11 per cent. Nonetheless, tobacco smoking remains the leading cause of preventable deaths and disability in this country.</para>
<para>Labor has a proud history when it comes to tobacco control, and this can be traced to the groundbreaking work by former health minister Nicola Roxon. Former minister Roxon introduced world-leading public health policy for anti-smoking in the form of legislation to introduce plain packaging and graphic health warnings, the Tobacco Plain Packaging Act 2011, and successfully defended the constitutional validity of the government's legislation to control tobacco products in the High Court of Australia. She introduced banning online tobacco promotion, price increases for tobacco products, substantial funding for media campaigns and quit services, a new tackling Indigenous smoking initiative, funding to make nicotine replacement therapy available on the PBS and support for complementary state and territory action. If we have anyone to thank for Australia's reduction in daily smoking rates and related harms, it is former minister Roxon and the Labor government.</para>
<para>This world-leading approach has since been followed by 26 countries, and it is a policy that has saved lives and will continue to save lives. Ten years ago, when former minister Roxon launched this reform, around 16 per cent of Australians smoked. Today, that rate is down to just under 11 per cent. A five per cent drop in smoking rates is equivalent to one million fewer Australians smoking.</para>
<para>While those of us working in the public health sector saw this as a good thing, tackling the cause of so much harm, the tobacco industry met these initiatives with an often savage legal and rhetorical assault. Sadly, those opposite did not support the efforts to reduce smoking harm to Australians and the associated cost to lives and the health system. The then opposition leader, Tony Abbott, himself a former health minister, denigrated these reforms at the time by saying they weren't a health policy but a tax policy. In 2009, the same year that the coalition raked in nearly $300,000 in donations from big tobacco, the shadow health minister, Peter Dutton, said that these world-leading, life-saving reforms were 'a bridge too far'.</para>
<para>The health impacts of tobacco were very well established at the time that these comments were made. There are about 600 ingredients in cigarettes, and they create about 7,000 chemicals when burned, of which we know that some 69 are carcinogens—cancer causing—such as acetone like in nail polish remover, arsenic, the cleaning product ammonia, formaldehyde, more commonly known for use in embalming, and lead. It's pretty clear. The science is well and truly in. There's politics and political pointscoring, and then there's saving lives. I think you have to pick your side.</para>
<para>Now Australian lungs are facing a new scourge: vaping and e-cigarettes. Initially sold as a way to quit smoking, they have turned out to simply be another product of addiction, continuing to do harm to those who use them. Even worse, it's now a gateway to smoking and one that is increasingly being marketed to children and teens in brightly coloured novelty containers and flavours. While it's illegal to purchase e-cigarettes or vapes with nicotine in them without a prescription, vaping with nicotine-free liquids is not illegal and is increasingly popular, particularly amongst young people. A 2021 study published in the Medical Journal of Australia found that most e-liquids contain chemicals known to cause respiratory issues and lung damage when inhaled. Most contained ingredients that have been banned by the Australian drug regulator, the TGA. Most liquids contain substances for which health effects of inhalation exposure are still unknown. A colleague has told me of people coming into an emergency department with oil burns inside their lungs from vaping. It's very difficult to treat this type of internal damage to a delicate structure such as the lungs.</para>
<para>The former government was asleep at the wheel when it came to tobacco control. The opposition did near nothing in their 10 years in government to reduce smoking and vaping rates across the country. Let's not forget that the Nationals remain the only major political party to accept donations from big tobacco, accepting at least $276,000 between 2015-16 and 2021-22 from Philip Morris Ltd.</para>
<para>That brings us to this bill. This bill is consistent with Australia's obligations as a party to the World Health Organisation Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, an international treaty which aims to protect present and future generations from the harms of tobacco use and exposure to tobacco smoke. The Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023 consolidates the existing Commonwealth tobacco control framework into one act with associated regulations, thereby streamlining the operation of the laws. It modernises and simplifies the existing provisions and introduces new measures to discourage smoking and address the health risks posed by vaping and e-cigarette products. The bill reflects the Australian government's ongoing commitment to improving the health of all Australians by reducing the prevalence of tobacco use and its associated health, social and environmental costs and the inequality it causes. It continues to ensure that Australian laws keep up with novel and emerging products and marketing strategies. The bill modernises, simplifies and streamlines our regulation of tobacco products, keeping up with international best practice.</para>
<para>There has never been a more important time to introduce this bill to parliament, because Australia's current tobacco related measures are split across as many as eight different laws, regulations, instruments and court decisions. For example, the government's legislation prohibiting certain forms of tobacco advertising is now 30 years old. The industry has moved on. This convoluted patchwork of regulations with gaps has meant smokers are falling through those cracks. This bill brings together tobacco measures with 11 new measures into a single, streamlined and effective act to parliament which will reignite the fight against tobacco and nicotine addiction.</para>
<para>The bill will complement the National Tobacco Strategy 2023-2030, which aims to achieve a national daily smoking prevalence of less than 10 per cent by 2025 and five per cent or less by 2030 and to reduce the daily smoking rate amongst First Nations people to 27 per cent or less by 2030. Without further action by government, including the new measures proposed in the bill, current tobacco control measures are unlikely to achieve these targets.</para>
<para>Among other things, the bill will provide for updated and improved health warnings on tobacco products to better inform consumers on the effects of tobacco use; improved coverage, enforcement and compliance for tobacco control through updated advertising restrictions, definitions and the introduction of a civil penalties regime; expanded advertising prohibitions to reduce the public's exposure to the advertising and promotion of e-cigarettes and other novel and emerging products, particularly in young and vulnerable people; restrictions on the use of additives and ingredients that enhance the attractiveness and palatability of tobacco products; better regulation of product design features that are known to make tobacco products more attractive to consumers, including crush balls and novel filters; restriction on the use of brand and variant names that falsely imply reduced harm; inclusion of health promotion inserts that encourage and empower people who smoke to quit; and mandatory disclosure of tobacco product ingredients, sales volume and pricing data, and advertising, promotion and sponsorship expenditure. The bill also provides for future regulation of tobacco product characteristics, including to allow dissuasive measures to be introduced on factory made cigarettes, to help increase knowledge of health harms of smoking and reduce the appeal of smoking.</para>
<para>The Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023 deals with the consequential and transitional matters arising from the enactment of the bill. Among other things, it provides application, saving and transitional provisions to allow a smooth transition to the new requirements, including a main transitional period of 12 months to allow manufacturers ample time to bring products in line with the new requirements, along with a retailer transition sell-through period of a further three months.</para>
<para>The government has consulted broadly on the proposed reforms and held a six-week public consultation period on an exposure draft of the bill. Submissions were received from individuals, consumers, academics, public health organisations, state and territory health departments, Commonwealth agencies and, of course, tobacco manufacturers, importers, wholesalers, packagers and retailers. Feedback from this consultation has influenced the final drafting of the bill.</para>
<para>These reforms are supported by robust evidence on the impact of the measures on smoking. The long-term objectives are to reduce prevalence by reducing uptake, with a particular focus on youth and young adults. The measures will further strengthen gains made by Australia's world-leading reforms, such as plain packaging. Smoking harm is an eminently preventable cause of death and disease, and this government is prioritising the health and lives of Australians. It is difficult to think of an argument against a health measure that will save lives and save burden of disease as well as saving future health costs in the system.</para>
<para>Australia was once a world leader on tobacco control, and we are now a laggard. It is no coincidence, when industry dictated policy under the former government. Unlike the policy of those opposite, the 11 measures in the government's Reignite the Fight Against Tobacco Addiction reforms will put us back into a world-leading position alongside fellow OECD nations. We're moving forwards. The Albanese government is determined to do all it can to tackle the harms caused by smoking. We want to ensure that in the future people don't take up smoking in the first place. This is the leading preventable cause of death and illness in this country, and we should be doing more about it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SPENDER</name>
    <name.id>286042</name.id>
    <electorate>Wentworth</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In 2023, after so many years in which the harms of tobacco smoking have been abundantly clear, it is stunning and unacceptable that tobacco remains the leading cause of preventable death in Australia. More than 20,000 Australians die of smoking-related illnesses each year, and, tragically, more than a quarter of a million Australians will die of smoking-related cancers over the next 20 years. These illnesses have a devastating effect on those who suffer them, as well as their families, friends and loved ones. This alone should be enough to prompt change, but, in addition to the lives which are being lost, smoking costs the economy close to $137 billion per year in health and productivity expenses.</para>
<para>It is particularly concerning that these products are targeted at young people. We already know how addictive and harmful smoking is for young people, but the health risks of vaping are not properly understood, and, given the unknown chemical composition of many imported vape products, it's potentially very dangerous.</para>
<para>The targeting of young people is absolutely transparent and unconscionable. The vaping products are promoted on social media with bright colours and sweet flavours to make the products more appealing and more palatable, and it is done to create a new generation of addicts. Worst of all, retail stores with these products are choosing to locate themselves close to schools and close to young people. I was absolutely shocked when a tobacco store recently opened just four doors down from my old high school in Wentworth. Parents and others in the community were obviously desperately concerned that their children would access these products despite it being illegal. If you talk to any high school in I think any electorate of this country you will hear about the struggle to stop young people vaping. It is so prevalent across our high schools, and it's growing.</para>
<para>A recent study found that 14 per cent of Australian high school students, some as young as 12, have used an e-cigarette. That is one in seven of our young people. The use of these products by young people threatens the significant progress Australia has made in reducing smoking related deaths, while smoking rates have been more than halved in the past 30 years. The promotion and sale of addictive products to children is simply unacceptable. It must end. Regulating the sale and advertisement of tobacco and e-cigarette products is an essential and overdue step. I commend the government for listening to the concerns of the community and introducing this legislation. There is no reason that the promotion of e-cigarettes should be any different to the promotion of tobacco products, and this bill will deliver that consistency. The legislation will go some way towards achieving Australia's goal of reducing smoking rates to five per cent of the population by 2030.</para>
<para>However, this legislation is not sufficient in itself. Firstly, this legislation allows for political donations by e-cigarette companies. At a time when we are fighting e-cigarettes in this parliament and across our communities and in our schools, I think it is unconscionable for cigarette companies to be able to make donations to political parties. Secondly, in the conversations I have with the people of Wentworth, they say that while another regulation is fine, their concern is: is it actually going to make a difference on the ground, and is it going to enforced? Strengthening the law is a necessary and important step, but the point is actually to make a difference, and it is pointless if the government actually can't take action regarding those who are already breaking the law.</para>
<para>Again, I've had reports of vaping shops in my electorate, where it has been reported to the health department in New South Wales a number of times that they're illegally selling tobacco vapes, and really nothing happens. They've done this a series of times, and the shops are still open, still trading, and no doubt they're still selling tobacco vapes. The enforcement of these laws is absolutely critical if they are going to make a difference to our country. No child or teen in this country should be able to purchase or use a vape. The fact that they can do—cheaply, easily and conveniently—is a clear demonstration of government failure and a need for urgent action.</para>
<para>I know that some of this is at the state government level, but this is where federal government really needs to take leadership and work across the different levels to implement this. It is what I want to see and it is what the community wants to see, not only from the Commonwealth government but obviously also from the New South Wales state government. The sooner they act the better.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">A division having been called in the House of Representatives—</inline></para>
<para>Sitting suspended from 16:4 8 to 16:5 0</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr NEUMANN</name>
    <name.id>HVO</name.id>
    <electorate>Blair</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to support the Public Health (Tobacco and other Products) Bill 2023. This bill consolidates the existing Commonwealth tobacco control framework into one act with associated regulations, thereby streamlining the operation of the laws. It modernises and simplifies existing provisions and introduces some new measures to discourage smoking. It addresses the health risks posed by vaping and e-cigarette products.</para>
<para>I will begin by addressing the emerging crisis of vaping. You only have to drive around any streets close by a school or a shopping centre to see the prevalent use of vaping and the use of electronic cigarettes. The aerosol that users breathe from e-cigarettes can contain potentially harmful substances, including nicotine, ultrafine particles that can be inhaled deep into the lungs, volatile organic compounds, cancer-causing chemicals and heavy metals, such as nickel, tin and lead.</para>
<para>It's difficult for consumers to know what e-cigarette products contain. Some e-cigarettes marketed as containing zero nicotine have been found to contain nicotine. In fact, most e-cigarettes contain nicotine. Nicotine is highly addictive. It's toxic and harmful. It's harmful to adolescents and young adults. Young adult brain development continues into people's early and mid 20s. It's a health danger to pregnant women and to developing babies. Electronic cigarettes are at least as addictive as normal cigarettes. What's worse is that many e-cigarette users get more nicotine than they would otherwise get in normal cigarettes. Users can buy extra-strength cartridges, which have a higher concentration of nicotine, or increase the e-cigarette's voltage to get a greater hit of the substance.</para>
<para>Worldwide, there have been thousands of injuries and more than 100 deaths associated with vaping, with more than 60 in the United States alone. It was reported in the Medical Journal of Australia that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have described a new disease: e-cigarette or vaping product use-associated lung injury. Patients with this injury typically present with both respiratory and gastrointestinal symptoms. These respiratory symptoms include coughs and fever and the gastrointestinal symptoms include nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and abdominal pain. Usually there's no history of respiratory disease until the consumption of these e-cigarettes. Diagnosis can be challenging and the condition can mimic pneumonia. Symptoms can sometimes precede other respiratory symptoms as well. The associated respiratory failure can be severe and require invasive ventilation and intensive care products.</para>
<para>Research done by, for example, the Australian Institute of Family Studies had the following findings. The rates of vaping amongst adolescents is rising in Australia and internationally. Anecdotally, you can see that. Vaping is associated with mental health challenges amongst adolescents, including depressive symptoms, anxiety, perceived stress and, indeed, suicidal related behaviours. Risks include getting onto other products as well.</para>
<para>Families, health professionals and educators need more education. Health professionals must work to manage the risk of vaping by routinely assessing young clients and families for vaping.</para>
<para>This is a major problem. The Australian Institute of Family Studies has found that 4.5 per cent of participants aged 12 to 17 are current e-cigarette users and 14 per cent have tried e-cigarettes. In comparison, 18 per cent had previously tried smoking conventional cigarettes and five per cent were current smokers. Research noted a survey of 950 children aged 13-19 in your home state of South Australia, Deputy Speaker Sharkie. Two-thirds of participants had tried vaping and, of those, 25 per cent had vaped on most days. It's a major problem across the country.</para>
<para>We need to look at that and associated trends, and see the associations with other illnesses and injuries. High perceived stress levels can be found to contribute to increased levels of vaping, so the causes of vaping should be looked at as well. This is a major problem. What we really need to do is look at the emerging research and tackle the issues. This is a big problem. It requires national leadership and it's not just about leaving it to local government, who might regulate where vaping or e-cigarette consumption can take place—in a mall, or outside a school or something. It's not just up to state governments—it's up to federal government to show leadership in this space. It needs urgent reform.</para>
<para>When Medicare was started in the 1980s, the biggest public health challenge was tobacco—40 per cent of men and 30 per cent of women regularly smoked. Today it's about 10 per cent in most of the Australian community. We intend to build on the legacy of Nicola Roxon, the former health minister who introduced world-leading plain packaging. We intend to build on that legacy and implement the next generation of tobacco control reforms. Unfortunately, the gains to be made into tobacco control could be undone by vaping, and that's why we have to tackle that issue straight and head-on.</para>
<para>Initially, governments around the world were told that vaping was a therapeutic product—a bit like doctors used to tell people to have a cigarette to calm their nerves. You remember those ads we used to see around the place, Deputy Speaker Sharkie, that it was cool and mild and the menthol was there. Vaping really has adopted the same methodology in terms of advertising. It has become a big loophole in the history of Australian public policy. A recent study by the Matilda Centre for Research in Mental Health and Substance Use at the University of Sydney found that 26 per cent of people aged 14 to 17 had vaped. A product targeted to kids, sold next to lollies and chocolate bars, vaping has become the No. 1 behavioural issues in high schools. It has become widespread in primary schools as well. Just as they did with smoking, big tobacco has taken another addictive product, wrapped it in a shiny package and added sweet flavours to create a new generation of nicotine addicts. We have to take steps. We have to look at things which were supposedly pharmaceutical products, and that appear that way. No more bubblegum flavours or colourful packaging. Pharmaceutical-style packaging needs to happen, with plain flavours. The import of vapes for sale in retail settings must end. It really must. We can't stand by and allow vaping to create another generation of nicotine addicts.</para>
<para>The previous government wasted time in tackling this, and nothing constructive was done in terms of vaping control. The coalition government did next to nothing on tobacco control. The Albanese government is taking the next critical step, and this legislation is part of this. It's consistent with our form in the policy space—we've brought forward some new control laws. We are updating and improving the graphics warnings on tobacco packaging, including extending warnings to individual cigarettes. We are standardising the size of tobacco packets and products and will control the use of additives in tobacco products like menthols. We will standardise and design the look of filters and limit the use of appealing names that imply reduced harm. We will require health promotion inserts in packs and pouches, and we will improve transparency of tobacco sale volumes and product control. We will improve transparency of advertising and promotional activities, including capturing vapes—as I outlined earlier in the speech—in advertising restrictions. It's absolutely critical we do this.</para>
<para>Tobacco kills more than 50 Australians every day. That's about 20,000 people each and every year. It's a leading cause of preventable death and disability in this country, and this government's aim is to reduce the national smoking rate to less than 10 per cent by 2025 and less than five per cent by 2030. For First Nations people, we want that below 27 per cent by 2030. These new laws will take effect from 1 April 2024. The industry will be given a year to comply, with retailers given a further three months.</para>
<para>Australia has been a leader in public health measures to discourage smoking, but after a decade of inaction the gains of Labor's world-leading plain-packaging laws have been totally squandered. Since the inception of plain packaging, big tobacco have become increasingly creative and cunning in their marketing tactics. The legislation before the chamber will allow Australia to reclaim its position as a world leader in tobacco control.</para>
<para>The opposition leader once described Labor's life-saving reforms as 'a bridge too far'. Imagine saying that. He really said that, 'a bridge too far'. That's what the Leader of the Opposition said about Labor's life-saving reforms. The coalition has been on the wrong side of history before on tobacco control, but these reforms should be bipartisan.</para>
<para>The government is determined to support Australians tackling nicotine dependency. These reforms will cease any form of incentive. They complement the government's commitment to stamping out vaping. The bill, in general, is about this: it consolidates the framework into one act, thereby streamlining the operational laws. It modernises and simplifies existing provisions and introduces some new measures to discourage smoking and address the health risk posed by vaping and e-cigarette products. And it does reflect the government's commitment. The commitment is consistent with Australia's obligations as a party to the World Health Organization's Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, which aims to protect present and future generations from the harms of tobacco use and exposure to tobacco smoke. It continues to ensure Australia's laws keep up with novel and emerging products and marketing strategies.</para>
<para>The bill modernises, simplifies and streamlines our regulation of tobacco products. There has never been a more important time to introduce this bill to the parliament, because Australia's current tobacco related measures are split across several different laws, regulations and court decisions. This convoluted patchwork of regulations with gaps has meant smokers are falling through the cracks and big tobacco is making use of those loopholes.</para>
<para>This bill brings together tobacco measures along with 11 new measures, making a single, streamlined and effective act of parliament that will reignite the fight against tobacco and nicotine addiction. The bill will complement the 2023-2030 National Tobacco Strategy, where it aims to achieve a national daily smoking prevalence of less than 10 per cent—absolutely crucial.</para>
<para>Without further action by the government, including new measures proposed in this bill, current tobacco control measures are unlikely to achieve the targets, and that was happening under the previous government. Things were not going well. First Nations people's use of tobacco products was increasing and vaping is out of control. This bill includes measures for future regulation in tobacco product characteristics, including to allow dissuasive measures to be introduced on factory made cigarettes to help increase knowledge of health harms of smoking and reduce the appeal of smoking.</para>
<para>The government has consulted broadly on the proposed reforms and held a six-week public consultation period on the exposure draft of the bill. Submissions were received from individuals, consumers, academics, public health organisations, state and territory health departments, Commonwealth agencies, tobacco manufacturers, importers, wholesalers, packagers and retailers. These reforms are supported by robust evidence of the impact of measures on smoking. The long-term objectives are to reduce prevalence by reducing uptake, with particular focus on young people.</para>
<para>We have a proud history on this side of the chamber of taking action on tobacco control. We know this because 26 countries followed our lead when Nicola Roxon was the health minister. Ten years ago, when she introduced plain-packaging reform, around 16 per cent of Australians smoked. We've got it down much lower today. Australia was once a leader in tobacco control, but now we're a laggard. We were apathetic, inert and lethargic under the previous government. It is no coincidence that industries dictated policy under the former government. Eleven measures in the Australian government's reignition of tobacco reforms will put us back into a world-leading position alongside fellow OECD nations.</para>
<para>The Albanese Labor government is determined to do all we can to tackle smoking—tackle the causes and tackle the effects. We need to tackle the harm caused by smoking as well. We want to ensure that in future people don't take up smoking in the first place. It is not cool to smoke. It is not cool to vape. It doesn't make you friends. And it's important that you think about the consequences of picking up that vaping instrument, picking up that cigarette, picking up that cigar, picking up that pipe. When you undertake that, that is a lifetime addiction and, as a consequence, it's a cost to you, your health, your family and your family's financial future. I commend the bill to the House.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>157125</name.id>
    <electorate>Pearce</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I apologise in advance if I get rather emotional in reading this speech. I have seen family members die early due to smoking. My young grandson, who is a type 1 diabetic, has been approached by people trying to introduce him to vaping. I rise to speak on the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023 and Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023. In doing so, I wish to briefly recap the minister's second reading speech from when he introduced the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023 on 13 September.</para>
<para>As the minister stated, the bill builds on the pioneering tobacco control reforms introduced by past Labor governments, including Australia's world-leading tobacco plain-packaging reforms. This was indeed a bold policy at the time, and we know now that 26 countries have followed the example that we set. The policy has saved lives and will continue to do so not just here but worldwide. It is pleasing to note that the rate of smoking daily has dropped from 16 per cent to 11 per cent of Australians, which is the equivalent of one million fewer Australians smoking. However, it is staggering to learn that tobacco use remains the leading cause of preventable death and disability among Australians, estimated to kill more than 20,000 Australians each year.</para>
<para>The reforms in this bill will support reductions in rates of smoking and tobacco use and, in the long term, smoking-related illness and the burden on the healthcare system. The health impacts are enormous. No family wishes to see a loved one suffer from lung cancer or other diseases caused by smoking. We are advised that the most important thing you can do to prevent smoking-related cancer is to not smoke tobacco products, or to quit if you do, and avoid second-hand smoke.</para>
<para>Quitting smoking lowers the risk for 12 types of cancer: cancers of the lung, larynx, oral cavity, oesophagus, pancreas, bladder, stomach, colon and rectum, liver, cervix and kidney; and acute myeloid leukaemia. In 2020, the US Department of Health and Human Services's report <inline font-style="italic">Smoking cessation: a report of the Surgeon General</inline> advised the following. Within five to 10 years of quitting smoking, your chance of getting cancer of the mouth, throat or voicebox drops by half. Within 10 years of quitting, your chance of getting cancer of the bladder, oesophagus or kidney decreases. Within one to 15 years after you quit smoking, your risk of lung cancer drops by half. Within 20 years after you quit smoking, your risk of getting cancer of the mouth, throat, voicebox or pancreas drops to close to that of someone who does not smoke, and your risk of cervical cancer drops by about half.</para>
<para>Most people know that smoking causes cancer and other major health problems. Smoking while you are pregnant can cause serious problems, too. Babies can be born too early, have a birth defect or die from sudden infant death syndrome. Smoking can also cause fertility problems. I understand that women who smoke can have more trouble getting pregnant than women who do not smoke. In men, smoking can damage sperm and contribute to impotence. Smoking can also affect your eyes by causing changes that can lead to vision loss. If you smoke, you are twice as likely to develop macular degeneration than a person who does not smoke, and you are two to three times more likely to develop cataracts than people who do not smoke.</para>
<para>Some people try to cut back on smoking cigarettes or work towards quitting smoking completely by using e-cigarettes or other tobacco products in addition to regular cigarettes. This dual use is counterproductive and is certainly not an effective way to safeguard your health.</para>
<para>There are many compelling reasons to take steps to close looming gaps and close loopholes found by the tobacco industry to promote its products and to increase their appeal, particularly to young people. As the minister stated, Australian laws need to keep up with the changing tobacco and technological environment to address challenges such as novel and emerging products and marketing strategies which are very creative. The minister further advised that the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023 consolidates the existing Commonwealth tobacco control framework into one act with associated regulations, thereby streamlining the operation of the laws, modernising and simplifying the existing provisions and introducing measures to discourage smoking and prevent the promotion of vaping and e-cigarettes.</para>
<para>It is also important to acknowledge the public feedback received through the consultation period that informed changes made to the bill that included: amending the definition of e-cigarettes to ensure that vaping devices which resemble toys, food, drinks, cartoon characters, animals, musical instruments et cetera are captured by the advertising and sponsorship prohibition; changing the commencement date of the new mandatory reporting period from 1 July 2024 to 1 July 2025 in response to feedback from the tobacco industry stakeholders regarding the time required to establish new administrative systems; amending the definition of 'prohibited term' to ensure that brand and variant names cannot include terms such as 'cool', 'extra' or 'fresh', which all imply a positive quality; updating advertising prohibition exceptions for journalism to prevent advertorials where the person that publishes the material receives a benefit of any kind for publishing the material from a manufacturer, importer, distributor or retailer of tobacco products; and removing the requirement to report on research and development activities in response to feedback provided by tobacco industry stakeholders regarding undue burden on reporting entities.</para>
<para>It is imperative we work to help improve the health of all Australians by reducing the prevalence of tobacco use and its associated health, social and environmental costs and the inequalities that it clearly causes. Not only is there a cost to health but many vulnerable people in our communities who use tobacco products struggle to give up and, at today's cost, that is proving to have a significant impact on their daily financial lives.</para>
<para>The reforms are supported by robust evidence of the impact of the measures on smoking. The long-term objective is to reduce prevalence by reducing uptake, with a particular focus on youth and young adults. The measures will further strengthen gains made by Australia's world-leading reforms, such as plain packaging. Sadly, the opposition does not have a good record when it comes to tobacco reform. During their 10-year term, they did nothing to reduce smoking and vaping rates across the country. The Albanese government is determined to do all it can to tackle the harms caused by smoking. We want to ensure that, in future, people do not take up smoking in the first place.</para>
<para>The bill provides for a range of measures, including, but not limited to: expanding advertising prohibitions to reduce the public's exposure to the advertising and promotion of e-cigarettes; the continuation of plain packaging; and restrictions on the use of brand and variant names that falsely imply reduced harm. New regulations will include providing updated and improved health warnings and restrictions on the use of ingredients or additives that enhance attractiveness and palatability of tobacco products and, importantly, health promotion inserts that encourage and empower people who smoke to quit.</para>
<para>I am proud of the government for taking up this fight to improve the health of all Australians, particularly the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our communities, who do, indeed, endure the most of tobacco company profits.</para>
<para>The Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023 contains consequential amendments and transitional provisions which are required to give effect to the consolidation of the tobacco control legislation in the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023. The purpose of this legislation is to modernise and streamline the existing Commonwealth regulatory framework, which includes eight different tobacco related acts, legislative instruments and court decisions administered across the health and Treasury portfolios, and to strengthen Australian's regulation of tobacco products in line with international best practice.</para>
<para>Regulations proposed to be made in the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill are intended to ensure a 12-month transition to the new regime. They include provisions to allow time for any required tobacco product production changes, along with a retailer transition period of a further three months to allow for the sell-through of stock. The rationale for the new measures is to reduce tobacco palatability by restricting additives; to reduce tobacco product attractiveness by regulating product design features that create novelty value; and to encourage and empower people who seek to quit by requiring health promotion inserts. The measures are also to update and improve health warnings; place further restrictions on advertising and promotion; further standardise the size of tobacco packets and products, cigarette pack cartons and stick size, roll-your-own tobacco pipe size, and little cigar and cigarillo pack size; require mandatory disclosure of tobacco industry volumes and pricing, product ingredients and tobacco industry advertising, and promotion and sponsorship activities and expenditure; require dissuasive measures on tobacco products; and prohibit the use of brand and variant names that falsely imply reduced harm.</para>
<para>Clause 2 of the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill provides for the commencement of the provisions in the bill. Clause 3 states:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Legislation that is specified in a Schedule to this Act is amended or repealed as set out in the applicable items in the Schedule concerned, and any other item in a Schedule to this Act has effect according to its terms.</para></quote>
<para>Schedule 1 deals with repeals and consequential amendments. Part 1, item 1, repeals the whole of the Tobacco Advertising Prohibition Act 1992, and item 2 repeals the whole of the Tobacco Plain Packaging Act 2011. Part 2 deals with consequential amendments to the Broadcasting Services Act 1992, the Competition and Consumer Act 2010, the Criminal Code Act 1995, the Social Security (Administration) Act 1999, the Taxation Administration Act 1953 and the Trade Marks Act 1995. In schedule 2, application, saving and transitional provisions are outlined.</para>
<para>In conclusion, I acknowledge there are many pieces of legislation governing tobacco control within Australia, which has created ambiguity regarding compliance, duplication of reporting, and enforcement. It is time to consolidate existing legislation to reduce red tape and the possible duplication of portfolio responsibility for policy and enforcement. I am supportive of the government's efforts to modernise, simplify and consolidate tobacco control.</para>
<para>I had to struggle through this speech because it's very dear to my heart. I support this because I nursed my mum and watched her die of lung cancer long before her time due to smoking—something that she did when she was a teenager and something that she thought it was cool to do because everybody was doing it and it looked cool. It's not. It ended her life early. I've sat in IVF clinics. I've seen parents and parents-to-be there—and my young grandson as well, a type 1 diabetic—with that temptation in front of them, which is so terribly wrong. Tobacco use is a leading cause of preventable death and disease, and is a key health risk factor in Australia. I wish to provide the best conceivable way forward for my constituents in Pearce and all around Australia to live happy, healthy lives. Therefore, I commend the bill to the House.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr ANANDA-RAJAH</name>
    <name.id>290544</name.id>
    <electorate>Higgins</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The scourge of smoking is well known to me, having dealt with its effect as a clinician each and every day. So addictive is nicotine that patients missing legs still sit outside hospital entrances all over the country in their wheelchairs to satisfy their cravings. We previously called these 'cancer sticks', but, given the litany of health problems they are associated with, a more apt term is probably 'premature death or disability sticks'. Tobacco and nicotine rob people and patients of their lives and their independence, and there is perhaps nothing more traumatic and anxiety-inducing to Australians than losing their autonomy.</para>
<para>We have a challenging problem in Australia: smoking rates that have been stuck at around 10 or 11 per cent. But amidst this largely difficult problem we have some bright spots in my own electorate of Higgins. We have a Better Health Network clinic in Prahran. It offers a range of services to the local community, including occupational therapy, physio, diabetes, mental health care and smoking cessation. I've seen dedicated healthcare workers buzzing around, looking after vulnerable patients, many of whom come from the social-housing towers opposite. These staff are constantly working. They are attending to their patients with a smile on their faces and warmth in their hearts. This clinic is also the only bulk-billing clinic in my electorate. It's the only one. The doctors, nurses and allied health professionals in this clinic are an asset to our community, and I commend them for providing this essential service in keeping people well and away from that hospital up the road that I used to work in. So impressed was I at the quality of the work and their dedication that I brought the Prime Minister to see them and to meet them around the time when we announced a tripling of our bulk-billing incentive. The clinic were overjoyed because it now meant that they could recruit more GPs, and I sincerely hope that that is what comes to pass, provided more medical students go into general practice, as they should.</para>
<para>Although only 10 per cent of Australians smoke, smoking accounts for nearly nine per cent of the disease burden in Australia and is the leading cause of preventable death. Like everything else, its prevalence follows a socioeconomic gradient. In 2019 Australians in the most disadvantaged areas were 3.6 times more likely than those in the most advantaged areas to smoke daily. Among First Nations people, smoking prevalence is sky-high, being 41 per cent in over 15-year-olds and rising to a whopping 58 per cent in very remote areas. Coupled with an epidemic of diabetes, smoking is a driver of premature death in Indigenous Australians and accounts for 12 per cent of their total disease burden. Smoking is the risk factor most responsible for the gap in disease burdens between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians. This is a public health emergency, especially for First Nations people, who die eight to nine years ahead of everyone else.</para>
<para>Thanks to the courageous leadership of Labor leaders and past governments, smoking prevalence has declined over time, with 49 per cent of the population never taking up smoking in 1991 and 63 per cent currently. That's a significant drop. Today we continue the Labor legacy of spearheading life-changing world-first tobacco control reform. Embodying the same courage and conviction as Nicola Roxon and the Gillard government 12 years ago, we are continuing to take the fight right up to big tobacco.</para>
<para>In the years after plain packaging was implemented, there was a 25 per cent decline in smoking prevalence in Australia that was attributable to the legislation. Three years after plain packaging hit the shelves, an estimated 100,000 fewer Australians smoked. When Nicola Roxon launched the reform, around 16 per cent of Australians smoked. Today that number is 11 per cent. A five per cent drop in smoking rates is equivalent to one million fewer Australians smoking. This was noticed by the world. They sat up and paid attention. After we passed these world-first laws, other countries followed. Over 20 jurisdictions have now implemented plain-packaging legislation.</para>
<para>However, there has been a decade of inertia and inaction since. The health benefits of this reform were squandered under the Liberals. This was foreshadowed when the then health minister, Peter Dutton, in 2009 decried that these world-leading reforms were 'a bridge too far', while the coalition at the time raked in nearly $300,000 in donations from big tobacco. While the Liberals were asleep at the wheel, e-cigarette use took off. As a result, Australia is no longer the innovative and bold global leader on tobacco control. We have lost that crown. While new markets and products have emerged, our laws have lagged.</para>
<para>Young people are disproportionately affected by new products, with 19 per cent of nonsmokers in 2019 reporting having tried e-cigarettes, a substantial increase from 14 per cent in 2016. Almost two in five current smokers aged 14 years and above in 2019 had tried e-cigarettes, with the most common reason being curiosity. A meta-analysis—meaning a big review—in 2021, however, found that never-smokers who used e-cigarettes had about three times the odds of starting smoking compared to non-e-cigarette users. In other words, vapes are a gateway to smoking.</para>
<para>It is clear that our policies require an overhaul to reflect the new challenges we face from new markets and products. Wily marketing new loopholes must be closed. This suite of reforms address a range of issues. It consolidates the existing tobacco control frameworks, spread across as many as eight different laws into one act, thereby streamlining the operation of these laws—it just makes it easier to use them. It updates tobacco advertising which has not been reviewed for 30 years, and it address of the burgeoning use of e-cigarettes and vaping products.</para>
<para>The bill will support the targets in the National Tobacco Strategy 2023- 2030—yes, we do have one—which aims to achieve a national daily smoking prevalence of less than 10 per cent in 2025 and less than five per cent by 2030. Without these reforms, we are unlikely to achieve those targets. Most importantly, the bills new measures invest power in the government to remain responsive to new approaches adopted by the tobacco industry, which tends to outmanoeuvre government whenever regulation is imposed.</para>
<para>The bill will provide for the following: improved health warnings on tobacco products to better inform consumers on the effects of tobacco use; updated advertising restrictions and definitions, and the introduction of civil penalties regime; expanded advertising prohibitions to reduce the public's exposure to advertising and the promotion of e-cigarettes and other novel and emerging products, particularly in young and vulnerable people; restrictions on the use of additives like menthol and ingredients that enhance the attractiveness and palatability of tobacco products; better regulation of product design features that are known to make tobacco products more attractive to consumers, including crush balls and novel filters; restrictions on the use of brand and variant names that falsely imply reduced harm when the opposite is true; the inclusion of health promotion inserts that encourage and empower people who smoke to quit; and the mandatory disclosure of tobacco product ingredients, sales volume and pricing data, and advertising promotion and sponsorship expenditure. This is a good thing. Let's shine some light on where the money is going.</para>
<para>The overarching objective is to reduce the prevalence of smoking by reducing uptake, with a particular focus on young people—on children. When it comes to smoking-related harm, prevention really is better than the cure. These reforms will help restore our edge in tobacco control with our children and adults—young and older, Indigenous and non-Indigenous—the beneficiaries. I commend this bill to the House.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Dr GARLAND</name>
    <name.id>295588</name.id>
    <electorate>Chisholm</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm really pleased to support the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill today. As the Minister for Health has stated, this bill builds on the pioneering tobacco control reforms introduced by past Labor governments, which include Australia's world-leading tobacco plain-packaging reforms. We know that the tobacco plain packaging was a courageous policy, and it was achieved in the face of often savage and rhetorical assault. It was imaginative policy. It was world-leading, and we know that because since the time it was introduced by a Labor government, 26 countries have followed Australia's example. This policy has saved lives and will continue to save lives not just here in Australia but also around the world.</para>
<para>It's important to remember that when plain-packaging legislation was introduced, around 16 per cent of Australians smoked each day. Today, that rate is down to just 11 per cent, which is the equivalent of a million fewer Australians smoking—a million fewer Australians exposing themselves to the harms and diseases that come from cigarette smoking. We know the health impacts of this change are far-reaching, and it has meant that tens of thousands of families will now never have to struggle through the tragedy of seeing a loved one suffer and die young, or contract the vast range of diseases caused by smoking that become chronic.</para>
<para>Unfortunately, tobacco use does remain the leading cause of preventable death and disability among Australians. It is estimated to kill more than 20,000 Australians each year, and it also happens to be the risk factor that is the single greatest contribution to the health gap between First Nations Australians and others. As the minister for health has already stated in this debate, while Australia's plain-packaging measures have made it harder for the tobacco industry to promote it's product, big tobacco has unfortunately found new loopholes to promote its product and to increase its appeal to new consumers. That appeal has tended to be for young people with respect to packaging and brand design features. Once again, it falls to a Labor government to close the loopholes that undermine our tobacco control measures and to shield Australians against the tricks and tactics of the tobacco industry.</para>
<para>The tobacco regulations that were put in place by the Labor government in 2011 sunset on 1 April 2024. As such, the current suite of regulations for plain packaging and tobacco advertising will lapse unless we act now. Australia's Commonwealth Tobacco Control Framework, including the Tobacco Advertising Prohibition Act, the Tobacco Plain Packaging Act and regulations have been the subject of a wide-ranging review. This involved a comprehensive analysis of options to modernise the existing legislative framework for tobacco control to ensure that it remained fit for purpose. It also addresses current gaps and limitations that exist and assists with tackling future challenges in tobacco control.</para>
<para>This bill reflects the Australian government's ongoing commitment to improving the health of all Australians by reducing the prevalence of tobacco use and its associated health, social and environmental costs, and the inequalities it causes. This bill also supports the National Tobacco Strategy 2023-2030, which commits to reducing daily smoking prevalence to below 10 per cent by 2025 and to five per cent or less by 2030. This bill also prioritises, and the plan prioritises, tackling smoking in First Nations communities to reduce smoking rates amongst First Nations people to 27 per cent or less by 2030. This commitment is consistent with Australia's obligations as a party to the World Health Organization Framework Convention on Tobacco Control. This international treaty aims to protect present and future generations from the harms of tobacco use and exposure to tobacco smoke. Importantly, it will ensure Australian laws keep up with emerging products and marketing strategies.</para>
<para>This bill modernises, simplifies and streamlines our regulation of tobacco products, keeping up with international best practice. And it was feedback from two broad consultations, undertaken in 2019 by the former government, that established that there is a need for ongoing regulation to achieve the objectives that we've set out in respect of tobacco control. To this end, on 30 November last year our government announced a suite of reforms to bring together current legislation and to introduce new measures to reduce tobacco prevalence and to have a particular focus on youth and young adults.</para>
<para>There has never been a more crucial time to introduce this bill. Unfortunately Australia's current tobacco related measures are split across as many as eight different laws, regulations, instruments and court decisions. For example, we know that legislation prohibiting certain forms of tobacco advertising is now 30 years old. And what's happened as a result of this patchwork of regulations has been that gaps exist. This has meant that smokers are falling through these cracks and tobacco companies are taking advantage of those cracks.</para>
<para>This bill brings together tobacco measures along with 11 new measures into a single streamlined and effective act of parliament which will allow us, as a government, to continue the fight against tobacco and nicotine addiction. In practical terms, this means that this bill provides for updated and improved health warnings and tobacco products to better inform consumers of the effect of tobacco use. It provides improved coverage, enforcement and compliance for tobacco control through updated advertising restrictions, definitions and the introduction of a civil penalties regime.</para>
<para>The bill expands advertising prohibitions to reduce the public's exposure to the advertising and promotion of e-cigarettes and other novel and emerging products, particularly those that are targeted at young and vulnerable people. It provides restrictions on the use of additives and ingredients that enhance the attractiveness and palatability of tobacco products. It provides better regulation of product design features that are known to make tobacco products more attractive to consumers. And it restricts the use of brand invariant names that falsely imply reduced harm and ensures there is a provision for the inclusion of health promotion inserts that encourage and empower people who smoke to quit. It also enforces the mandatory disclosure of tobacco product ingredients, which is really important, and the sales, volume and pricing data in advertising, promotion and sponsorship expenditure.</para>
<para>The Labor government has consulted extensively on these proposed reforms, including the provision of a six-week public consultation period on an exposure draft of this bill. Submissions were received from individuals, consumers, academics, public health organisations, state and territory health departments, Commonwealth agencies, tobacco manufacturers, importers, wholesalers, packagers and retailers. So it was a fairly wide-reaching consultation process.</para>
<para>These reforms represent a renewed focus on improving the public health of Australians by discouraging smoking and the use of tobacco products while also being in lockstep with the vaping measures that the Minister for Health and Aged Care already announced in May. These reforms are supported by robust evidence of the impact of the measures on smoking. The long-term objective is to reduce prevalence by reducing uptake, with a particular focus on young people. As mentioned earlier, these measures will further strengthen gains made by Australia's world-leading reforms, such as plain packaging. The main objective of these reforms is to reduce the daily smoking prevalence. It is to discourage uptake among people who do not smoke. It is also to increase cessation among people who do smoke.</para>
<para>On this side of the House, we have always done what we can to protect the health of Australians. It is only Labor that has ever been able to lay claim to having a proud history when it comes to tobacco control. Unfortunately, as bold and creative as Labor's plain packaging reforms were, they were met with assault and they are now outdated. We have lost a decade of taking action to make sure that there were the necessary improvements to laws to ensure that people who want to stop smoking find it easier to and are encouraged to stop and that we don't see vulnerable people and young people taking up the habit.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms KEARNEY</name>
    <name.id>LTU</name.id>
    <electorate>Cooper</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Today I have the pleasure of summing up the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) Bill 2023 and the Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023. This legislation builds on the pioneering tobacco control reforms introduced by past Labor governments, including Australia's world-leading tobacco plain packaging reforms. That was bold policy achieved in the face of some often savage legal and rhetorical assaults. It was imaginative policy and it was world-leading policy. We know that because 26 countries since then have followed Australia's example. It is a policy that has saved lives and will continue to save lives.</para>
<para>When the Hon. Nicola Roxon introduced plain packaging, around 16 per cent of Australians smoked. Today, that rate is down to just under 11 per cent, the equivalent of one million fewer Australians smoking. But the gains of those world-leading reforms have been squandered. We were a world leader in 2011 and we are a laggard today. Tobacco use remains the leading cause of preventable death and disability among Australians. It is estimated to kill more than 20,000 Australians each year. It is also the risk factor that is the greatest contributor to the health gap between First Nations people and other Australians.</para>
<para>The main bill consolidated the existing Commonwealth tobacco control framework into one act with associated regulations, streamlining the operation of the laws. It modernises and simplifies the existing provisions and it introduces new measures to discourage smoking and prevent the promotion of vaping and e-cigarette products. The bill reflects the Australian government's ongoing commitment to improving the health of all Australians by reducing the prevalence of tobacco use, the leading cause of preventable death and disability among Australians, and its associated health, social and environmental costs and the inequality it causes.</para>
<para>This commitment is consistent with Australia's obligations as a party to the World Health Organisation Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, the FCTC, the international treaty which aims to protect present and future generations from the harms of tobacco use and exposure to tobacco smoke. Among other things, the bill will provide for updated and improved health warnings on tobacco products to better inform consumers about the effects of tobacco use; expanded advertising prohibitions to reduce the public's exposure to the advertising and promotion of e-cigarettes and other novel and emerging products, particularly in youth and young adults; restrictions on the use of additives that enhance the attractiveness and palatability of tobacco products; better regulation of product design features that are known to make tobacco products more attractive to consumers, including crush balls and novel filters; restrictions on the use of brand and variant names that falsely imply reduced harm; the inclusion of health promotion inserts that encourage and empower people who smoke to quit; the mandatory disclosure of sales volume and pricing data and advertising, promotion and sponsorship expenditure; dissuasive measures on factory made cigarettes to help increase knowledge of the health harms of smoking and reduce the appeal of smoking; and improved coverage, enforcement and compliance for tobacco control through updated provisions and the introduction of a civil penalties regime.</para>
<para>I'd like to conclude by saying again that the government is determined to do all we can to tackle the harms caused by smoking. We know that the tobacco industry continues to have deep pockets and powerful friends. This government is up for the fight, because we fight on behalf of the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our society, who bear the brunt of these tobacco company profits. We're going to bring the same spirit of courage, spirit of action and clarity of thought and, I hope, the same conviction that Nicola Roxon brought to plain packaging reforms 12 years ago. We're going to reaffirm Australia's reputation as a world leader in tobacco control. I sincerely thank members for their contributions to debate on this bill.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
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            <title>Consideration in Detail</title>
            <page.no>149</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STEGGALL</name>
    <name.id>175696</name.id>
    <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move amendments (1) to (4), as circulated in my name, together:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Clauses 57 and 58, page 53 (line 3) to page 56 (line 17), omit the clauses.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Clause 60, page 57 (lines 1 to 16), omit the clause.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) Clause 63, page 58 (lines 3 to 11), omit the clause.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Clause 67, page 63 (lines 2 to 30), omit the clause.</para></quote>
<para>These amendments are important to ensure that all the loopholes in relation to this bill are closed. The bill as currently drafted provides for exceptions when it comes to advertising in relation to those points of sale and in relation to advertising on airlines. It's not clear why the government intends to keep these loopholes open at this time. The government has indicated that it wishes to be hard on vaping. We know that the statistics are damning, that vaping is a serious risk to our young people and is leading to increasing rates of smoking amongst young people, which is incredibly concerning.</para>
<para>These amendments, while not dramatic, are nevertheless important in closing those loopholes. Amendment (4) is in relation to clause 67, which is quite extraordinary, I suggest to the House—that the government, whilst claiming to be going strong on vaping, is nonetheless allowing for an exception in this legislation such that sponsorship and political gifts from vape companies should remain allowable. This is directly contrary to the expectations of our communities, parents and young people. If the government feels that vaping is a sufficient health risk to our population that we are restricting the use of nicotine and non-nicotine vapes other than for prescription, then why is it allowing a loophole for donations and gifts to be made to political parties from vaping entities? That is quite extraordinary. I have put to the health minister that really this exception should not be permitted.</para>
<para>The other amendments go essentially to areas of permitted publication where there are loopholes that have been left in the legislation. I urge the government to close those loopholes to ensure that we do not let these vaping companies, which are ultimately extensions of tobacco companies, find the cracks in order to go and market to our young people and ultimately have that negative impact on their health.</para>
<para>Many in my electorate are incredibly concerned, especially parents of teenagers, among whom we know that the growing impact is incredibly concerning. As I mentioned in my previous speech, there are also concerns about the way in which vapes are so directly marketed to young people under the cover of shops that look like lolly shops, through the use of colour, fun marketing and flavours. This is all very insidious marketing to young people. So, all loopholes must be closed when it comes to those marketing and permitted publications. But the most important loophole that must be closed is this exception in relation to political donations and gifts.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms KEARNEY</name>
    <name.id>LTU</name.id>
    <electorate>Cooper</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Warringah for putting her amendments forward. The Australian government is committed to taking strong action to reduce smoking and stamp out vaping, particularly amongst young Australians. While I know that the amendments proposed by Ms Stegall are in line with this intention, they need to be carefully considered to ensure that there are no unintended consequences. The Public Health (Tobacco and Other Products) (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2023 has been carefully designed to introduce broad bans on e-cigarette advertising and sponsorship in line with existing tobacco advertising prohibitions. The exceptions proposed in the bill are narrow in scope and are intended to ensure that the bill is in line with international and constitutional obligations and takes a balanced approach to implementation, compliance and enforcement. The exceptions in clauses 57 and 58 are not intended to allow unfettered advertising of e-cigarettes at physical premises or online. They are intended to allow the Commonwealth to regulate the appearance of such advertisements—for example, price lists—in the limited circumstances in which they are permitted to appear.</para>
<para>Removal of the exceptions would raise practical questions about the extent to which e-cigarettes can be marketed or sold at all. The government has committed to separately introduce new controls on e-cigarette importation, contents and packaging and is currently working to address the black market through the therapeutic goods framework and stronger border measures. Regulation of marketing of e-cigarettes is more appropriately addressed through these reforms.</para>
<para>The exception in clause 60 is a protection for telecommunications and online service providers who are unlikely to have direct knowledge of the publication of advertisements. It does not prevent action being taken against the person who prepares and publishes the advertisement. Removal of this exception would effectively create a proactive responsibility for telecommunications and online service providers to monitor material that is published, raising the advertising prohibition for e-cigarette advertising to a level more consistent with regulation of e-safety, which considers content such as child abuse material and terrorist related activities.</para>
<para>The exception in clause 63 applies only to advertising published on international flights. It does not apply to domestic flights. It's not practical to enforce an offence outside of Australia and its external territories. Unless an advertisement is broadcast on the plane while it is sitting on the tarmac, it would be very difficult to determine that an advertisement published on an international flight occurred within Australia.</para>
<para>The exception in clause 67 was introduced in view of taking a balanced approach to constitutional requirements. Prohibition of political donations and electoral expenditure, which amounts to an e-cigarette sponsorship, would be better addressed explicitly and through broader regulation of political donation than by addressing e-cigarettes in isolation.</para>
<para>Labor has clear commitments to improve transparency and accountability across our electoral system. In June the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters provided its interim report, which supports Labor's proposal for greater transparency and accountability in political donation. The JSCEM has recommended introducing real-time disclosure of political donations and lowering the disclosure threshold to $1,000. If it is supported by the parliament, voters could make their decision at the ballot box with more information about who is backing political candidates, rather than waiting for annual and election returns. The JSCEM's interim report's recommendations include that the Australian government lowers the donation disclosure threshold to $1,000 and introduces real-time disclosure of donations to political parties and candidates and that there are no legislated bans on Australian individuals and organisations that can make political donations to federal candidates and parties. Individuals and parties may choose not to accept donations, and the disclosure threshold amount that applies from 1 July 2023 is more than $16,300 and from July 2022 to June 2023 is more than $15,200. These are the broader political donation provisions that we are making that we believe would be better suited to deal with the sponsorship issue around cigarettes.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SPENDER</name>
    <name.id>286042</name.id>
    <electorate>Wentworth</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have a question to the minister. I appreciate where the government is going in terms of political donations, and I support increased transparency and accountability. However, the nature of e-cigarettes in particular means that it goes beyond the transparency and accountability of donations and goes to the heart of whether we should be accepting donations from the providers of e-cigarettes. I'm not aware currently that the Labor Party has made any commitments to this, or the JSCEM review either. I support the amendments moved by the member for Warringah, because I think they would ensure that in this case we don't allow e-cigarettes, which I think we collectively say we really need to stamp out and are a burden on our young people in particular. I don't support that these companies should be able to make political donations, because I think that could compromise our ability to regulate them in the future.</para>
</speech>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms KEARNEY</name>
    <name.id>LTU</name.id>
    <electorate>Cooper</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you for the comments, and I hear your concerns, but Labor has a very proud history of political donation reforms. Under Bob Hawke, it was the first to introduce a donations disclosure regime in the 1980s. You may or may not be aware—maybe you are—but, in August 2022, the Special Minister of State asked the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters to inquire into and report on all aspects of the conduct of the 2022 federal election, including reforms to political donation laws, particularly the applicability of real-time disclosure and a reduction of the disclosure threshold to a fixed $1,000; potential reforms to the funding of elections, particularly regarding electoral expenditure caps in the public funding of parties and candidates; and the potential for truth-in-political-advertising laws to enhance the integrity and transparency of the electoral system. Whilst I note the member's concern around tobacco particularly, we are confident that those donations will be caught up in that.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STEGGAL</name>
    <name.id>175696</name.id>
    <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>L () (): I thank the minister for her comments and response in relation to the proposed amendments, but I note that the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters is silent on sources of donations and where there should be prohibited sources of donations, in particular from sectors that do substantial harm to the health of the Australian people. I note, in that respect, that despite the government's commitments, and while I support the recommendations made by the joint standing committee, they do not address the question of why there should be an exception for political donations or gifts in relation to vaping companies. These are substantially powerful lobby groups—in particular, where the only area for vaping companies left will be with prescriptions, so then we get into the pharmaceutical area.</para>
<para>But we know these products are incredibly pervasive and damaging to the health of Australians—in particular, the health of our young Australians. As such, a tough position from the Albanese government should be to start closing these loopholes. In particular, with a new product on the market such as vapes, it is simply, I would argue, unconscionable to maintain an exception for political donations, which ultimately serve the interests of people in this place, at the expense of the health and wellbeing of Australians. And, as such, it is now the time to close those loopholes. So, while we are considering legislation that now starts to address the scourge of vaping, why would the government have a position that is so contrary to community expectations to go hard on these products and ensure they don't have influence over government decisions when it comes to imposing sanctions? So getting rid of this exception of political donations and electoral expenditure is incredibly important.</para>
<para>We know when it comes to tobacco that the National Party continues to accept donations from big tobacco companies, and clearly this is completely at odds with the health and wellbeing of Australians in their communities. The impacts of tobacco and nicotine on our health are well documented and come at great expense to the overall health and wellbeing of our nation. As such, it is time to close those loopholes, and I urge the government to agree to this amendment and delete clause 67, which provides an exception to political donations and electoral expenditure for vaping.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms KEARNEY</name>
    <name.id>LTU</name.id>
    <electorate>Cooper</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have addressed the issues raised by the member in my previous answers. We are confident that the issues raised will be dealt with elsewhere. We consider this to be incredibly important health legislation, and we just want to get on with passing it. Thank you.</para>
<para>Question unresolved.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>C2T</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>As it necessary to resolve this question to enable further questions to be considered in relation to this bill, in accordance with standing order 195 the bill will be returned to the House for further consideration.</para>
</interjection>
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          <page.no>152</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>152</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STANLEY</name>
    <name.id>265990</name.id>
    <electorate>Werriwa</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>'You win some; you lose more.' 'Chances are you're about to lose.' 'What is gambling really costing you?' These warning messages are all very familiar to us. They appear at the end of advertisements by gaming companies when they advertise on TV, apps, websites, radio and the like and during football and cricket games. These advertising taglines are mandatory under new rules in the national consumer protection framework and replace the 'gamble responsibly' slogan. One of the new, improved messages is, 'What are you really gambling with?' It's an interesting question and can be answered on so many levels: your future, your marriage, your friendships, your career, your financial security or perhaps even your credit card.</para>
<para>Gambling costs. By its very nature and definition, someone always loses. For many, this isn't a problem. They can afford to lose. That is, they bet within their means and not above it, and they enjoy what they do. In truthfulness, millions of Australians enjoy gaming and wagering and do so in a responsible manner, but for others this isn't the case, and the cost for them is far too high.</para>
<para>The Interactive Gambling Amendment (Credit and Other Measures) Bill 2023 partially answers the earlier mandatory questions I posed—what are you really gambling with? With the passage of this bill, the one thing you won't be able to gamble with is your credit card. The hard truth and reality is that you shouldn't be gambling with money that you don't have. Australia has the highest gambling costs per capita, a total of $25 billion in losses per annum. Moreover, the number of people experiencing gambling harm is estimated to have doubled in recent years, from 0.6 per cent in 2010 to 1.2 per cent in 2019. It's easy in debates such as this to simply glide over figures such as these, but behind each of these decimal points are tens of thousands of Australians. It's not just the person gambling who is affected; it is their partner, their friends, their children and their colleagues. The snowball effect is huge. We've all read about or known someone in our life who's been devastated by problem gambling.</para>
<para>The bill incrementally builds on other measures to minimise gambling harm. I previously mentioned the introduction in March this year of the seven new evidence based advertising taglines. There have been other measures as well. There is now a requirement for monthly activity statements so that consumers can keep track of their online activity. There's been the introduction of nationwide training to give staff tools to assist in identifying and assisting people who may potentially experience harm from gambling. Together these measures help address the government's broader commitment to minimise gambling harm.</para>
<para>The bill is long overdue. Wagering with credit cards was banned from TAB outlets, casinos and poker machine venues in the early 2000s. So it's only natural for this measure, in the form of this bill, to come before us now. The bill will amend the Interactive Gambling Act in three ways. It will prohibit the use of credit cards, credit related products and digital currency as payment methods for interactive wagering services. It will create a new criminal offence and civil provision related to the ban. And it will give the Australian Communications and Media Authority enhanced powers to enforce the ban.</para>
<para>The Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services recommended in its report in November 2021 the ban outlined in this legislation—and for good reason. The same inquiry found that 15 to 20 per cent of customers use credit cards for online wagering. Digital currency such as cryptocurrency will also be prohibited by this bill. This will prevent people from purchasing cryptocurrency with a credit card and then using that currency to gamble. The bill provides the responsible minister with the power to proscribe other credit related payment methods as they come onto the market as a way of future-proofing this legislation and ensuring that it is fit for purpose into the future.</para>
<para>The government recently launched BetStop, the national self-exclusion register for online wagering, which allows people to self-exclude from all telephone and online gambling for three months or up to a lifetime. Wagering companies cannot open an account or accept a bet from people who've self-excluded, and they cannot send them marketing material. The register is the final measure of the National Consumer Protection Framework for Online Wagering.</para>
<para>We are also working with state and territory governments to update the classification rules for online and video games to protect children from exposure to simulated gambling. In June 2023 the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs released its recommendations from its inquiry into online gambling and the impacts on those experiencing harm. The government is currently considering all 31 recommendations from the inquiry and will work with stakeholders to implement further actions to protect Australians from gambling harm.</para>
<para>I wish this bill wasn't necessary, and I wish problem gambling wasn't such an issue in our society. But we all know that it is, and that is why measures like those in this bill are very necessary to keep people safe and, more importantly, keep the people they love and those around them safe. I commend the bill to the House.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SPENDER</name>
    <name.id>286042</name.id>
    <electorate>Wentworth</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Problem gambling costs Australia more than $5 billion a year, but the true cost is the human cost—the impact on families, relationships, mental health and wellbeing. The Australian Gambling Research Centre has shown that gambling is dangerous for family life, is making people sick and is damaging their most precious relationships. Despite these harms, gambling advertising has tripled in the past decade. Almost 1,000 gambling ads are broadcast daily. Amongst 12- to 17-year-olds, 73 per cent remember seeing a gambling ad and almost a third have admitted to gambling themselves, despite being underage. A clear majority of the community believes that gambling should be discouraged and it is past time for action. So I welcome this bill, because I think it will help make a difference and protect some people from ruining their lives with gambling. The bill will prevent Australians from being able to use their credit cards for online gambling, in the same way they cannot use their credit cards for offline gambling. I simply cannot understand why anyone would support people gambling on credit.</para>
<para>This kind of action is long overdue, and I commend the government for taking this step, but it is just one step. Credit cards are not as large a share of payments in Australia as they once were, and I understand credit protection laws mean that credit cards are held primarily by older, higher income Australians rather than by younger and more vulnerable members of the community. Younger people are a particular concern to me. One of my constituents approached me recently and told me that their seven-year-old had asked them what a 'same-game multi' was. There is absolutely no reason why a seven-year-old in Australia should hear those terms, let alone know them and let alone understand them. The fact that they do shows our regulatory regime is absolutely failing us. Those are the people who are most at risk of ruining their lives from the predation and exploitation of gambling businesses. These vulnerable people are the people we should be seeking to protect with policy interventions.</para>
<para>We should be looking at banning gambling advertising, particularly during news and sports broadcasts, so that children are not exposed to them. We should be banning gambling businesses from making donations to political parties, and we should rework the GST distribution so jurisdictions are not penalised for restricting pokies and gambling. Most importantly, I believe we should establish a federal regulator for the gambling industry which ensures that we have a national approach, that Australians across the country enjoy the same protections and that no gambling businesses are able to evade sensible regulation by locating in a particular jurisdiction. These are the changes we need, and I hope the government recognises this bill is not the destination; it is just one step of a larger journey.</para>
<para>It has now been four months since the House of Representatives inquiry into online gambling reported, and we are yet to see a formal response from the government. The minister has welcomed the report and publicly stated she is working through recommendations with state and territory governments. I am glad of this work and very glad that this report is not going to be yet another report gathering dust and the government is actually dealing with it. But, from my community's point of view, the community does feel that it's time to understand whether the government supports all of the report's recommendations and whether it intends to act on them. I know the government has committed to doing more to protect Australians from gambling harm. The community expects them to follow through on their promises and to do so urgently. There's no justification for delay.</para>
<para>Before I finish, I'd also like to acknowledge that this reform is the result of almost a decade of work done by the House and Senate crossbench, particularly former senators Nick Xenophon, Stirling Griff and Skye Kakoschke-Moore and the current members for Clark, Mayo, Goldstein and Curtin. Getting policy change from the crossbench is a low, slow grind, and those of us here today are building on the foundations they have laid. I thank them.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>C2T</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Wentworth.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr PERRETT</name>
    <name.id>HVP</name.id>
    <electorate>Moreton</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Collusion from the chair there! I too recognise the contribution that the Independents, particularly the member for Clark, have made on this for a very long time, since 2009 or 2010. I rise to speak on the Interactive Gambling Amendment (Credit and Other Measures) Bill 2023, a bill that demonstrates the Albanese government's commitment to protecting vulnerable Australians from online gambling harms and that will also provide the Minister for Communications with the power to prohibit additional credit-related products as they emerge, as a way of futureproofing the legislation. The introduction of the bill implements recommendations from the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services from November 2021. The bill expands the Australian Communications and Media Authority's powers to ensure strong and effective enforcement of the new and existing civil penalty provisions under the act.</para>
<para>Since coming to government, we've prioritised addressing the harm caused by online gambling, and I'm pleased that we are taking the next step by introducing this legislation to ban the use of credit cards. These new laws will make it illegal for an online gambling company to accept credit card online. Credit cards were banned for gambling in hotels, clubs, casinos and TAB outlets by state and territory governments in the early noughties, but currently these cards can still be used for online gambling. At the moment people not able to use a credit card at the betting counter at a TAB outlet or a pub can still sit at the same outlet and gamble on their phone on a betting app using a credit card, so these proposed laws will bring online gambling into line with the rest of the gambling industry with that basic premise of not gambling with money that you do not have.</para>
<para>I'm pleased to say the bill also seeks to ban the use of credit related products as well as digital currencies for online wagering. Digital currencies such as cryptocurrency are also prohibited by the bill and it will prevent people purchasing cryptocurrency with a credit card and then using the cryptocurrency to gamble. The bill also provides the responsible minister with the power to prescribe other credit related payment methods that come into the market as a way of future-proofing the legislation, so these new laws will help strengthen consumer protections. Using a credit card for gambling can very quickly lead some consumers into that serious, horrific debt trap, a debt cycle that can be extremely difficult to break and extremely harmful for families and for individuals. Online gambling is such a fast-growing form of gambling, so it's crucial that this loophole is finally closed.</para>
<para>The bill before the chamber will prohibit the use of credit cards, credit related products and digital currency as payment methods for interactive wagering services. It will create a new criminal offence and a civil penalty provision related to the ban and provide the ACMA with enhanced powers to enforce the ban and existing offences under the act.</para>
<para>In 2020, the Australian Banking Association commissioned a survey that showed 81 per cent of respondents were in favour of restrictions on using credit cards for gambling. Fifty-four per cent of respondents stated that their use should be banned altogether. I understand that the data collected in January 2023 by the ABA from the four major banks as well as Bendigo Bank and Adelaide Bank indicate that more than 775,000 debit and credit cards have had gambling blocks placed upon them by bank customers—775,000! This government is serious about protecting vulnerable Australians from the harm that we know online gambling can cause. Any platform breaching the new rules will face penalties of up to $234,750 for any breach of the new provisions. Industry and consumers will be provided with a six-month transition period from the date of royal assent to change their business and betting behaviours respectively.</para>
<para>Since coming to government last year, we've prioritised work to reduce the harm caused by online gambling, including through implementing the final measures under the national consumer protection framework. This includes the introduction of monthly activity statements outlining wins and losses—something that I appreciate—new evidence based taglines to replace 'gamble responsibly' that go to the heart of the damage that will flow, national consistent training for staff working in online gambling companies and BetStop, the National Self-Exclusion Register which allows consumers to exclude themselves from all Australian licensed wagering services from three months up to a lifetime. And just last month, mandatory customer pre-verification was introduced, which means that Australians registering for an online wagering account now have to have their age and identity verified by an operator before they can place a bet. I can tell you, as the father of an 18-year-old, I particularly appreciate this. As someone who watches sport and sees gambling ads every single time there's a break in the sport, in the rugby league particularly, I commend this initiative.</para>
<para>I should also note that this week is Gambling Harm Awareness Week in some states of Australia and in the ACT. In Queensland it was held back in July. Gambling Harm Awareness Week is where people are encouraged to talk about the harms associated with gambling and the effects they can have on communities, on families, on friends, on workplaces and on individuals. Gambling, like any other addiction, has very significant negative consequences. Gambling harm is not only about losing money or financial problems. Gambling harm can also include health problems, including emotional, psychological distress or physical issues; issues with relationships with family or friends; problems with work or study; cultural problems; and obviously the all-too-common criminal activity that flows from gambling issues. This year's theme continues to be Talk. Share. Support.</para>
<para>Legislating a ban on the use of credit cards for online gambling will help to protect vulnerable Australians and their loved ones. The risk with credit gambling is that it facilitates people losing money that they do not have. People can lose everything they own to online gambling businesses and then go further into debt through credit gambling. Last year, the Australian Communications and Media Authority found that more than one in 10 Australians have reported participating in online gambling at some stage in the six months prior, and that figure was up from eight per cent in 2020. The Australian Institute of Family Studies released their most recent research into gambling participation and harm in Australia. That study, as a snapshot, shows that at least 73 per cent of Australian adults gambled at least once in the past 12 months and 38 per cent—nearly two in five Australians—were gambling weekly.</para>
<para>Digital technology means that people are able to gamble at any time. Almost half of Australian adults reported betting on sports or racing in the past year. Sports betters gambled, on average, on 2.4 different sports, with AFL being the most common in Australia at 42 per cent, followed by Rugby League at 32 per cent and football, or soccer, at 23 per cent. Most sports and race betting was conducted online, with 42 per cent of people using their smartphones and 22 per cent using a computer. Participants who bet online had an average of two accounts and 19 per cent of them had three or more accounts.</para>
<para>Online gambling has evolved so swiftly that research, policy, regulation and governments have not been able to keep up to prevent the exponential growth in gambling and gambling harm. The lack of regulatory measures to prevent these developments is harming not only adults but, all too often, families and children. We know that people experiencing problem gambling are four times more likely to use credit to gamble than those who are at low risk. According to the same survey, men gambled more often, spent more money and were more likely to be at risk of harm.</para>
<para>This legislation is also in line with community views on gambling. Most Australians expressed concern about the availability of gambling and its impacts on our community, believing—to quote from the report—that there are 'too many opportunities for gambling nowadays' and that gambling is 'dangerous for family life' and 'should be discouraged'. In June of this year, the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs released the recommendations from its inquiry into online gambling and its impacts on those experiencing harm. I thank the member for Dunkley, Peta Murphy, for chairing that inquiry. The government is considering all 30 recommendations from this inquiry and will continue to work with stakeholders to implement further actions to further protect Australians from gambling. I commend this legislation to the House.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY SPEAKER</name>
    <name.id>C2T</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the member for Moreton for their contribution and also for their generous reflection on the chair.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms LE</name>
    <name.id>295676</name.id>
    <electorate>Fowler</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on the Interactive Gambling Amendment (Credit and Other Measures) Bill 2023. Firstly, I would like to acknowledge the hard work of the independent member for Mayo, Rebekha Sharkie, in bringing this bill to the attention of the House earlier this year, and also my other crossbench colleagues, who have been vocal on the need for gambling reform to minimise gambling harm. I support the measures taken in this bill to ensure credit cards cannot be used on online gambling platforms, bringing the system in line with the ban on credit cards being used at casinos, gaming lounges and other gambling venues. However, this is just one small piece of the puzzle in tackling gambling harm.</para>
<para>Gambling reform is an issue close to my heart. My beloved late mother, who passed away peacefully in her sleep just over three months ago, had a gambling problem which impacted our families. It was hard for her to acknowledge, let alone overcome and seek help. As she struggled to pay her debt, our family struggled with our own mental health, trying to find ways to extract her from this damaging and addictive behaviour.</para>
<para>My mother's story is just one of the thousands of stories in our diverse electorate of Fowler. The Fairfield LGA, which makes up a large and dominant part of Fowler, has some of the highest levels of gambling in Australia. It has one pokie machine for every 54 people. The Sydney average is about one for every 117 people. As you can see, the concentration of pokies in our city is more than double the average. This costs my community $1.7 million in losses a day to pokies alone.</para>
<para>In 2021, just after COVID, our residents were losing $527 million in pokies—one of the highest pokies losses across Sydney. To put it into perspective, the neighbouring LGA, Liverpool—part of which is also in my electorate—had losses totalling $160 million. I cannot stress enough how gambling impacts our community, in the Fairfield LGA in particular. According to the Fairfield Health Alliance, 60 per cent of people screened by community organisations and GPs indicated that they experience harm from gambling either as a gambler or an affected other. Our multicultural and diverse communities want to celebrate, and 70 per cent of my constituents speak a language other than English. However, language and cultural barriers have also led to a prevalence of gambling problems, with CALD communities found to be especially at risk of gambling harm.</para>
<para>A study conducted by the South-West Sydney Local Health District found that gambling amongst CALD communities is a common activity and that people of Chinese or Vietnamese heritage may view gambling as a way of trying their luck or as a highly popular social activity amongst friends. Additional research in the local area found that many individuals from non-English-speaking backgrounds could not identify when they were experiencing problem gambling, as there was no way to describe it in their own culture. It was only after in-depth discussions with health professionals that they realised what they were going through. And cultural issues such as stigma and shame stop individuals who are experiencing gambling harm from seeking professional help.</para>
<para>Earlier this year, when the pokies were a contentious issue in New South Wales state politics, I heard from one constituent, Trong, who reached out because he wanted me to advocate on this devastating issue that was impacting his family. As he eloquently said, there is a fear of losing face within the Vietnamese community, so such issues are rarely discussed up front, which makes it hard for families to find help for those who are addicted. I can totally relate to this cry for help.</para>
<para>It's not just the fear of losing face but the lack of awareness that sitting in front of a poker machine and hitting those buttons for hours can lead to gambling harm. Gambling is also taking over a new generation who are perhaps moving away from poker machines but going online. When we talk about online gambling, it is not just online casinos but also sports betting, loot boxes and virtual gaming goods. While there is an abundance of data around the detrimental impacts of pokies in our area, there is a lot less data around the impact of online gambling. This is an issue that must be addressed holistically across all levels of government, whether it be pokies, sports betting or even video games. If we don't address this as part of the bigger picture, we are simply putting out one fire with our backs to another. After all, gamblers are able to jump from platform to platform.</para>
<para>This discussion is more pertinent than ever given that it's Gambling Awareness Week this week, I think in the ACT and New South Wales. With the cost-of-living crisis, people are becoming more desperate to make ends meet. We as decision-makers must take action to ensure that our most vulnerable communities are not preyed upon by opportunistic gambling companies, and we must ensure that future generations do not suffer through the same. It's very shocking to see that the Australian Gambling Research Centre shows that one in five Australians gamble weekly, with 38 per cent partaking in race betting, 34 per cent in sports betting and 33 per cent in pokies. In a submission to the Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs last year, Fairfield Council shared the gambling harm within the community. The local council launched the Pay to Play Youth Gambling Project, which was used to explore young people's relationships with online gambling in the area. Feedback from the program indicates that young people have very little understanding of the extent of harm that gambling can have and almost no awareness of where to find help or information.</para>
<para>It's also very apparent that sports betting and online gambling sites are relentless in advertising to young people via social media. It's one thing to see a Sportsbet ad during half-time at the NRL but it's another to get numerous ads every day when you are scrolling through your Instagram, TikTok or Facebook. Not only are they targeting young people with ads but companies such as Sportsbet are promoting sports betting and gambling as a social activity amongst youth with their 'bet with mates' feature.</para>
<para>However, it's not just betting companies that are profiteering off our vulnerable. Over the last few decades, gaming has grown from a niche industry to a very common hobby. Forty per cent of young people play video games that have gambling components in which children spend money on loot boxes and virtual gaming goods such as skins, weapons and other game upgrades. I acknowledge the member for Clark for bringing this concerning matter to the House last year. While it does not look like gambling, this has the same psychological effect on a young person's brain to having a slap on the pokies. So, if we are to talk about online gambling, this must be expanded in a broader context. We must start with risk mitigation and reduce, if not completely remove, sports betting advertising on social media for young people.</para>
<para>Gambling harm must be introduced into school curriculums as a mental health and social issue to the same extent as drugs and alcohol and information must be provided. Gambling advertising must also be treated in the same manner as alcohol advertising and must be restricted to young people on social media, where they're at their most vulnerable as they often are unable to be monitored. Education materials and support services should be provided to newly arrived migrants as part of the settlement progress.</para>
<para>I want to make special mention of two particularly inspirational young people from my electorate. Marko Pupovac and Lindsay Tang, two now year 11 students at Bonnyrigg High School, are two individuals who are passionate about gambling reform. They were so passionate they created a gambling intervention proposal for the local council as part of the CSIRO showcase at Fairfield HQ last year. As part of this, they shared their own solutions to gambling problems, with a particular focus on classifying gambling problems as a mental health issue similar to any other addiction. They also showcased clever and practical solutions, including for pokies to show total losses as well as having front-facing cameras on every machine to discourage usage over long periods of time. While I applaud the innovation and ingenuity of these students, I can't help but feel dismayed that this is what young people are focusing on in our area. It should not be the focus of 16-year-old students but the role of the government of the day to tackle this insidious issue.</para>
<para>However, as we have previously seen, politics and gambling often go hand in hand. Sportsbet donated $278,000 to both major political parties last financial year, including two major donations to a Labor minister's campaign. I acknowledge the New South Wales government has taken a principled stance in banning political donations from any club that offers any form of gambling, and I call on the federal government to do the same with betting companies. We need a government that is brave and willing to take a stand for the sake of our future, not governments that can be bought by fundraising dinners at Rockpool.</para>
<para>I note there are concerns that this ban could have unintended consequences, with the main concern being that this could drive problem gamblers to    alternative sources of funding, such as loan sharks and pawnbrokers. It could also see a rise in illegal websites that accept credit based payments, driving problem gamblers underground and further into debt. But we must start somewhere. We cannot stand idly by and watch people simply jump from one gambling platform to another and continue the intergenerational cycle of trauma by passing it on to their children.</para>
<para>I can accept that there is a place in society for gambling. After all, not everyone who gambles is addicted. Many people visit RSLs or bet on footy matches as a form of socialising and recreation. And this is not to say that such clubs and companies do not reinvest into the community through employment opportunities and sponsorship of local events, sports clubs and community organisations. However, there must be enough reinvestment back into the community that it ultimately brings more benefit to the community than it would have received without them. In other words, the investment must be net positive.</para>
<para>Overall, while I don't think this government has gone far enough in addressing the harmful effects of problem gambling, I believe this is a good place to start. The government has promised to do better. The community deserves better from the gambling industry. We will be watching closely and holding the government to account on this.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms MILLER-FROST</name>
    <name.id>296272</name.id>
    <electorate>Boothby</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Australians are the biggest gambling losers in the world. There are other countries that have similarly large gambling cultures and gambling industries, but Australians lose more, on average, than those in the other countries. On a per capita basis, Australians are losing $1,300 per year, a staggering $25 billion a year collectively. And of course we know that for all of those who don't gamble there are many others who are losing thousands and thousands—tens of thousands—in betting.</para>
<para>We know that gambling can cause significant harm to individuals, families and the community as a whole. The number of people who are experiencing gambling harm has doubled in the past nine years. Gambling takes many forms in our community: lotteries, onsite sports betting, casinos, poker machines and of course, in more recent years, online gambling. Online gambling, available on your smartphone or computer 24/7, from your school, work or home, is now causing significantly escalating issues. The rate of harm amongst online gamblers is three times that amongst those who use physical gambling products that involve going out to the venue.</para>
<para>It's for this reason that the Minister for Social Services referred the issue of online gambling harm to the Social Policy and Legal Affairs Committee, chaired by the member for Dunkley and of which I am a member. The inquiry took up a number of months at the beginning of this year. Throughout the inquiry the committee heard from a variety of stakeholders, including those who identified themselves as problem gamblers, families of problem gamblers, gambling help support services, the gambling industry, the advertising industry, the sports industry, the television industry, and academics with knowledge of the Australian gambling sector and regulations as well as internationally.</para>
<para>Some of the stories we heard were heartbreaking. Many were in the public hearings and so are on record—people who lost tens of thousands of dollars overnight and people who lost their house, their redundancy payouts, their marriages, their jobs, their families and more. There are people who've had to change their entire life to avoid gambling triggers, avoiding sports stadiums, television, radio and social media. We heard from one man, probably around 24 years of age, who told us that he loves sport, but he's a gambling addict, and he's had to change his entire life. He can't watch sport on TV or listen on the radio, because the adverts trigger his addiction. He can't watch sport in a stadium or even at the local club, because of the gambling companies sponsoring teams and adverts at the grounds. He can't play sport at the local clubs and grounds because they have gambling company sponsorship. He can't go on social media because he is targeted by gambling adverts. He can't listen to the radio in his car because of the adverts. He can't watch TV news on commercial channels. He can't go to the pub because of the sporting broadcast with gambling adverts. It's changed his entire life. It's stopped him being able to play or watch sport, which he loves, and it's changed the way he can socialise and interact with his friends. There's a whole range of places he can't go, and he certainly can't contact them via social media.</para>
<para>We need to be clear that gambling addiction is not a personal failing. It's an addiction with the same hormonal feedback systems that drive other compulsive behaviour and addictions, except that this addiction is cultivated by an industry that benefits from it—the bells and flashing lights, the psychological principle of intermittent reinforcement, the inducements to increase your bet, to have another go, to come back after an exclusion. There's 'Bet With Mates', which makes your entire social life through their betting app. This is not an accident. This is a design. It's designed to attract customers and to keep them there gambling.</para>
<para>As the mother of one gambling addict said to us: 'The entire gambling industry is based on making you into a loser. They only win, they only make money when you lose. And no-one is a better customer for them than an addict.' This mother lost her son to gambling. He took his own life. He felt he couldn't control the debts that were spiralling, that he couldn't control his addictions.</para>
<para>The Albanese government takes this very seriously. The report that was handed down earlier this year has a number of recommendations in it, but I'd like to highlight three of the actions that have been taken already. Firstly, the Albanese government is committed to ensuring online gambling takes place within a robust legislative framework with strong consumer protections, including through the implementation of a national self-exclusion register, BetStop. What we heard from academics and from the self-help groups was that the reason that Australians lose so much is not because we gamble in any different way. It's because our regulations are weaker than anywhere else in the world. We heard from gamblers about the difficulty they've had in trying to self-exclude from hundreds of online gambling sites, only to find a new one pop up in their email the next day. Were they selling lists? We were unable to find out, but that's certainly what the addicts themselves thought was happening. BetStop will be the one-stop shop for self-exclusion. It requires licensed phone and internet wagering providers to check whether the consumer has self-excluded before providing their services. Operators are required to promote BetStop on websites, apps and other promotions, and consumers can range their exclusion from three months up to a lifetime. Wagering companies will be banned from sending promotional marketing material to BetStop participants.</para>
<para>Secondly, while advertising was a part of the terms of reference of the committee inquiry, we are already acting on previous recommendations. As of 30 March, the previously legally-required gambling advertising message of 'Gamble responsibly' has been replaced with alternating messages: 'Chances are you're about to lose;' 'You win some. You lose more;' and, 'Think. Is this a bet you really want to place?' While that goes some way to the recommendations of the committee, the committee itself recommended that there be a reduction in gambling advertising over a period of time such that it will be eliminated entirely. This is something that, obviously, the industry is not happy about. Certainly the sports industry and the media industry are not happy about it. But the arguments that were being used were the same arguments that were being used about smoking advertising, and that has managed to be successful, and they didn't go broke.</para>
<para>Thirdly, Deputy Speaker, you may be alarmed to know that, amongst the harms of online gambling, the really significant losses the committee heard about were of the 15 to 20 per cent of Australian gamblers who are gambling not only with money they can't afford to lose, but actually with money they don't have in the first place—15 to 20 per cent of online gamblers are gambling with credit cards. Importantly, the Albanese Labor government is legislating to ban the use of credit cards for online gambling. Credit card gambling is already banned in physical settings like casinos and poker machines, and the legislation to ban credit card betting for online gambling is an important part of limiting the damage.</para>
<para>The Albanese government is committed to ensuring online gambling takes place within that robust legislative framework, and there's a lot we can learn from overseas. There are places in Europe where there is live monitoring of betting. They have a regulator who actually has live monitoring, and they can tell if somebody is spiralling out of control—say, if somebody who has never bet before or has only bet small amounts is suddenly depositing tens of thousands of dollars in an overnight session—and they can actively intervene at the time. This is obviously something that would take considerable effort and considerable resourcing and is something that perhaps we should be looking at.</para>
<para>A lot of the complaints that we heard through the gambling committee were about the advertising. I have to say I don't watch a lot of commercial TV. But, on those occasions when I'm watching commercial TV, particularly around the news, I am absolutely shocked at the amount of advertising that we see. Although it is limited through the Broadcasting Services Act 1992—there are hourly limits for advertising for free-to-air television—it really doesn't feel that way when you're watching it. The commercial television code of practice prohibits gambling advertising during general, preschool or other children-aimed programming from 5 am to 8.30 pm. The code is periodically reviewed. But, I have to say, when you're trying to watch the news and you're seeing Bet With Mates and the celebrities in advertisements encouraging people to go back on, you can really understand why parents are concerned about their children watching the news. Gambling addicts can't even watch the news and see what's going on in the world.</para>
<para>This is a public health issue. It affects Australia so much more than other countries. It is because our regulation has historically been weak, and we need to address all of that. I would encourage anyone listening to have a look at the report. There are some very comprehensive recommendations in there, as well as the setting out of the evidence that we've heard. Looking at this as a public health issue, where we need to look at the health of the community and the damage that is done to the community by this industry, is a really important first step forward. I'd encourage people to read the report.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr BATES</name>
    <name.id>300246</name.id>
    <electorate>Brisbane</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on the Interactive Gambling Amendment (Credit and Other Measures) Bill 2023. This bill seeks to prohibit online gambling service providers from accepting payments by credit card, credit related products and digital currency. The Greens welcome this bill. We believe it is an important step towards reducing the awful harm caused by gambling. In the recent decade, we have seen the online gambling industry expand significantly. According to the Alliance for Gambling Reform, Australia lost more money to online gambling per capita—20 per cent—than any other country in the world. Many of these losses came from people experiencing problem gambling.</para>
<para>Gambling causes enormous harm. It can lead to severe financial distress, loss of employment, relationship breakdowns and mental illness. Devastatingly, a recent investigation by the <inline font-style="italic">Guardian</inline> Australia found that there are an increasing number of young people entering adulthood with depression and anxiety alongside debt because of gambling in their youth. As the prevalence of online gambling continues to rise, it is imperative to establish safeguards that protect children, adults and our communities from further harm. This is why this bill is important.</para>
<para>The bill builds on the recommendations of the 2021 Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services inquiry into the issue. This inquiry showed that the combination of online gambling and credit is extremely dangerous and can compound problem-gambling behaviours. While the Greens support these reforms, we are disappointed that the government didn't follow the recommendations from Financial Counselling Australia and the Alliance for Gambling Reform to include lottery products in the credit ban.</para>
<para>The lottery sector has rapidly evolved into a large, fast-paced online industry, with many services now being owned by megacorporations such as the Lottery Corporation, the Lottery Office and Lottoland. These are corporations that have historically put profit over the wellbeing of customers and communities. The lottery and keno products of today allow people to easily spend tens of thousands of dollars within minutes, causing significant financial losses and other harmful impacts.</para>
<para>In their submission to the Senate Environment and Communications Legislation Committee inquiry into the bill, Financial Counselling Australia shared many stories of the harrowing impacts of lotteries, both online and in person. For example, this is Jim's story:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Jim is retired. When he sought financial counselling help, he had moved out of the family house due to gambling related harm. The family had imploded. His wife and children insisted he get help.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Jim's only form of gambling was lottery draws and instant win tickets, i.e. 'scratchies', bought solely from his local newsagency, which ran a lottery franchise.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">He only ever paid with credit cards.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">He ran up such large credit card debts, that he had re-financed the family home with a very costly reverse mortgage, eroding the couple's life time of hard-earned equity.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A recent episode saw him using his son, Matt's, credit card for lottery purchases. Matt lives overseas and 15 years earlier had taken out a credit card with a $5,000 limit as a "just-in-case" measure. Matt had never used the card. Jim obtained limit increases online resulting in the debt escalating to $30,000. Again, the whole amount was gambled on lottery tickets at their local newsagency.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The children felt betrayed by their father's actions, and relationships were damaged.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">…   …   …</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">After 6 months of couples counselling, John has retired to the family home. His therapeutic counselling is ongoing.</para></quote>
<para>I also want to share Mary's story:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Mary, a single mother juggled caring for her child and working night shift in a hospital. She became addicted to lottery draws including instant lotteries—</para></quote>
<para>'scratchies' again. It continues:</para>
<quote><para class="block">She struggled with this addiction seeking help repeatedly over the years. She paid for her lottery spend exclusively on credit cards and over time had four credit cards maxed out. She presented in financial hardship with over $50,000 in lottery acquired credit card debt. She struggled to afford to pay for her child's school excursions and other activities, and this impacted the child who missed out on these activities and often had to stay behind while the other kids enjoyed the full curriculum activities.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">After review of all her available options with a financial counsellor, Mary accepted the decision to become bankrupt. This resulted in her being debt free for the first time in many years. Consequently, her stress levels reduced, allowing her the headspace to full engage in therapeutic counselling for the first time.</para></quote>
<para>Allowing lotteries to be exempt from the ban on accepting credit is a huge omission and error, particularly given that many of these products are also exempt from BetStop and the National Self-Exclusion Register. Gambling harm doesn't discriminate, and neither should regulation. Wherever people gamble—be it at the casino, on lotteries or with a bookie—they deserve the same protections in law. For the wellbeing of individuals, their families and communities, the Greens urge the government to reconsider this exemption and include lotteries in the bill.</para>
<para>We know the damage caused by gambling does not stop at credit payments online, and for too long the Labor and Liberal parties have talked about harm reduction but done very little. The Greens are the only political party with a clear, comprehensive platform to take action on gambling. We want to see a national gambling regulator to ensure a consistent approach rather than just a patchwork of regulation that gambling companies and casinos can exploit. We want to see a universal and mandatory precommitment system to protect those at risk from gambling harm. And we want transparency about the impacts of gambling, starting with clear reporting on which local government areas are hardest hit by gambling companies.</para>
<para>But our plans for gambling reform don't stop there. Good governance of this destructive industry by federal, state and territory governments has long been obstructed by political donations. Investigations by the ABC in 2021 revealed that organisations and individuals linked to the gambling industry poured at least $80 million in political donations into the states and territories over recent years, compared with $50 million disclosed at Commonwealth level up to 2020. It is clear that the gambling industry is buying influence and favour, and the major political parties are only too happy to comply. It is time we stopped political donations from the gambling industry at all levels of government. For too long they've bought policy outcomes that reap them profits and increase misery for so many.</para>
<para>We've been pushing for an end to dirty donations from gambling companies, amongst other destructive industries like alcohol and pharmaceutical companies, for a decade, but the big parties refuse to bite the hands that feed them. Weak political donation laws mean that not only is it completely legal for the government to accept donations from industries that stand to benefit from watered-down regulations, but a lot of the time we don't even know where more than one-third of those donations are coming from. We need to clean up politics. The Greens want to ban dirty donations, cap all political donations at $1,000 and improve transparency regarding donations.</para>
<para>As I said, the Greens welcome the introduction of this bill and the ban on online gambling companies using credit. We believe this is an important step towards ending gambling harm in Australia, but we also know that these measures are just fiddling around the edges of a rotten system. We need a strong, coordinated approach to ensure that gambling companies can no longer inflict pain on our communities. That's why the Greens will continue to push for a national independent gambling regulator, a total ban on all gambling ads, an end to dirty donations and to close any loopholes or exemptions where gambling companies can dodge responsibility.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>18:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Mr NEUMANN</name>
    <name.id>HVO</name.id>
    <electorate>Blair</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My father is no longer with us. He died in 2010. He was an alcoholic and he had a gambling problem. His gambling addiction affected the lives of my two younger brothers and me. Nothing has affected my life more than my father's alcoholism and his addiction to any form of gambling he could get his hands on. So this sort of legislation is really important to me, and I can't stand the grandstanding that I just heard from the Greens member for Brisbane. This is personal for me, and it means a lot to my caucus colleagues as well. We are serious about taking action on gambling abuse and interactive gaming in this country, and I just can't stand that sort of grandstanding on such an issue which deserves bipartisanship.</para>
<para>This legislation amends the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 to prohibit the use of credit cards and credit related products and digital currency as payment methods for interactive gambling services and creates a new criminal offence and civil penalty provision relating to the ban. It also provides the Australian Communications and Media Authority, ACMA, with enhanced powers to enforce the ban and other existing offences.</para>
<para>Almost half of Australian adults who gamble are classified as at risk of gambling harm or are already experiencing it. A greater proportion of men who gamble are classified at risk of harm—53 per cent of male gamblers compared with 37 per cent of female gamblers. At-risk gambling is highest amongst young people as well—18- to 34-year-olds. People who gamble at least weekly are significantly more likely to be classified as at risk of harm. Gambling related problems range from general harms such as relationship conflicts—and I can testify to this having seen it in my own family's life; the breakdown of my parents' marriage was clearly affected by alcohol, drug and gambling abuse—impacts on health and wellbeing and erosion of savings to crisis harms, where immediate support is required. Harms to relationship health and emotional and psychological issues abound with gambling related harm.</para>
<para>Six per cent or more than one million Australian adults report being harmed by someone else's gambling. Gambling doesn't just affect the gambler; it affects their family and friends. Those most commonly affected are work colleagues, families and friends. The most common harms experienced due to another person's gambling are anger, distress, hopelessness about their gambling, tension and relationship problems.</para>
<para>In September this year the Australian Gambling Research Centre noted that gambling is a major public policy issue in Australia and affects the wellbeing and health of Australian. It's not just about personal responsibility; it's about health and wellbeing. The social costs of gambling include adverse financial impacts, productivity loss and work impacts as well.</para>
<para>One in six Australian children aged 16 to 17 have participated in underage gambling in the past year. Almost half of all young people aged 18 to 19 report spending money gambling. The normalisation and widespread promotion of gambling and the increased level of access to it has led to substantial increases. We see this when we watch the football on a Friday night or sport on the weekend. You see it if you watch any free-to-air TV. Harms from online gambling have been exacerbated by sophisticated advances in technology conveying messages to consumers.</para>
<para>Worldwide, the use of concepts like 'responsible gambling' and 'problem gamblers' is likely to have diminished the implementation of harm minimisation measures for gambling. These measures should be developed with a public health focus, not from discredited values judgements like 'personal responsibility' and similar terminology. This is inappropriate. It has been used in the past by governments, by gambling and associated industries and even by some researchers. The results have been that revenue to gambling businesses and governments have continued but substantial levels of harm have been levelled upon the community. Industry-developed concepts such as 'responsible gambling' and 'problem gamblers' should be avoided.</para>
<para>Online gambling is associated with so many problems. Recently, the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs, of which I'm a member, completed an inquiry into online gambling and its impact on those experiencing gambling harm. I want to thank and commend the wonderful efforts of the member for Dunkley for the great work she did, ably supported by the co-chair, the member for Cowper. The committee released a bipartisan report which I think is groundbreaking and of the best reports I have ever seen in my years in parliament. <inline font-style="italic">You win some, you lose more</inline> is the name of the report. The committee examined the harms to individuals, families and communities caused by online gambling. Professor Sally Gainsbury, who I consider to be Australia's leading expert in this area, and her team at the University of Sydney's gambling treatment and research clinic made relevant points about this 'personal responsibility' or 'self-control' fiction in their submission to the committee's inquiry.</para>
<para>Most people who gamble online do not set predetermined spending limits. But Professor Gainsbury advised the committee that many people who do set online gambling spending limits later increase those limits or remove them altogether. Her findings suggest that more research is needed into this issue. She recommended that deposit limits be accompanied by more education and tools for consumers to assist them in setting affordable limits and provide resources to assist them in sticking with their intentions. Her research found that there are barriers to voluntary use of consumer protection tools, including setting deposit limits. There is a perception that these tools are something for people who have gambling problems, and most people think they can control their gambling without those tools. The inappropriate language she referred to, developed by the gambling industry, is pervasive and has been endorsed by governments at all levels and should be avoided.</para>
<para>Despite the high-risk status of young men, they're the most likely to have access to tools and resources and to not seek professional help for gambling or mental health problems. Young men who gamble online are more likely to gamble beyond their means, which often leads to severe mental health problems. And think about this: 18- to 34-year-old men are the most likely to do it, and that's the age when they're young fathers and are setting themselves up financially, and when young children are most exposed, most affected.</para>
<para>We need, as Professor Sally Gainsbury says, more targeted programs that are required to reduce gambling harms, especially towards those young men. She found that there are few appropriate treatment options for people who are experiencing online gambling problems, and we need to do so much more. She found that training is needed for health and welfare professionals to assist them to identify, screen and assist people by using individual tools and resources in treatment. Regarding advertising, she advised that broad advertising for online gambling will continue to increase public awareness and favourable attitudes towards gambling and will exacerbate gambling harms. She recommended that further actions be undertaken to reduce people's exposure to those gambling products.</para>
<para>The committee made many findings. There are 31 of them, and I'm not going to go through them. But they are really important, and I commend them to anyone who wants to read them. We need a comprehensive national strategy for online gambling harm reduction, informed by a public health focus and principles. Reliance on individual responsibility needs to completely go. We need early intervention and prevention measures. We need rapid take-up of these sorts of treatments, because we've had rapid take-up of online gambling, and we have the world's worst online gambling losses. This is having a devastating impact on our communities. And in communities like mine, in Ipswich, amongst working-class people, and in Logan and the Moreton Bay region that you represent, Deputy Speaker Young, this is a major problem.</para>
<para>Gambling disorder is a mental illness that requires more targeted care. Where services exist, shame, stigma and disjointed services are driving people away. There should be no wrong doors through which people who are experiencing gambling problems can seek help. This requires raising awareness in the general community and among frontline services. The frontline services I experienced when I was a child, a teenager and a young man were just not capable of understanding the impacts of addiction on those people suffering from that harm. They were incapable of providing familial support for family members with a parent, grandparent or loved one who was going through that problem.</para>
<para>We have the highest per capita online gambling losses in the world because of regulatory failure. We are told we are a culture of gamblers by the advertising budgets of multinational gambling firms that are competing for a market share of Australian losses. The truth is that we lose so much because of weak regulation of gambling. We must do more, and we must do better. The committee found that Australians demand an end to the saturation advertising of gambling products. The committee recommended a comprehensive ban on advertising for online gambling, including prohibiting all online gambling inducements and all online gambling advertising on social media and online platforms. And we'd hear the industry get back to us. There wouldn't be a member of the committee who hasn't had industry after industry contacting them saying, 'We can't do it; we'll go broke'—the same arguments the tobacco companies used again and again when tobacco advertising was banned.</para>
<para>The committee also recommended prohibition on all online gambling advertising and commentary on either side of sports broadcasting and during it and prohibition on all in-stadium advertising, including on uniforms. Why should little kids, running around on a rugby league ground, have gambling advertising on the back of their jerseys, or the front of their jerseys? It's simply not good enough. Prohibition should be applied to all broadcasting online gambling advertising between 6 am and 10 pm, leading to prohibition of all online gambling advertising.</para>
<para>We need to do better; we need to do much better. The online gambling problem is growing in this country due to the ease of fast access through mobile devices, increased proliferation of online gambling applications and changes in consumer behaviour. As the member for Moreton outlined, research has been done by Gambling Research Australia which shows that gambling harm is estimated to double in coming years. This government is committed to introducing legislation—we did this in April this year—to ban the use of credit cards for online gambling, and this bill delivers on that promise.</para>
<para>The bill implements recommendations from the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services inquiry report from 2021. I hope the recommendations of the report I referred to, by the Social Policy and Legal Affairs Committee, are taken up in full by the government. That will make a big difference. That's the next stage and the next step of regulatory reform and reform in this country.</para>
<para>At the PJC inquiry, some gambling stakeholders stated that 15 to 20 per cent of customers use credit cards for online gambling. While this is a relatively small number, those who gamble with credit cards are at much greater risk, because it is so easy to do. Credit card transactions attract higher rates of interest and fees. We know this. Therefore the impact on them and their families is greater.</para>
<para>The bill before the chamber will bring online gambling law into line with land-based gambling laws, where credit cards have been banned from TAB outlets, casinos and poker machine venues since the early 2000s. I support leagues clubs in my community. I know how important they are. I know how important the turf club at Bundamba is. But we've just got to get a degree of regulation in this area.</para>
<para>This bill prohibits digital currencies for gambling use, including cryptocurrency. It prevents people buying cryptocurrency with a credit card and then using cryptocurrency to gamble. The bill provides responsible ministers with a power to proscribe other credit-related payments that come onto the market as a way of really future-proofing the legislation. People should not be gambling with money they don't have because of the impact on them and their financial security, and the impact on their family, their friends and their community. This bill aligns with the government's broader commitment to minimising harm.</para>
<para>The bill will prohibit an operator of a regulated wagering service from accepting payments from a customer of the service who is physically present in Australia using credit card, digital wallets, digital currency or any other method determined by the minister. I think that's a very good reform by the government, because this will prevent creative use of the online gaming industry to entice you to use whatever form of credit you can avail yourself of, and who knows what the future may hold in terms of digital capacity to gamble.</para>
<para>The bill creates a new criminal offence of 500 penalty units and new civil penalty provisions of 750 penalty units. It expands ACMA's compliance and enforcement powers. I commend the bill to the House, and I think it is just the first stage in more work to be done.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms STEGGALL</name>
    <name.id>175696</name.id>
    <electorate>Warringah</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I welcome the opportunity to speak on the Interactive Gambling Amendment (Credit and Other Measures) Bill 2023. This bill seeks to ban the use of cards and cryptocurrency for online gambling and I acknowledge that it is long overdue. I would like to acknowledge and thank the member for Mayo, on the crossbench, who introduced a very similar private member's bill to this, and it was good to see the government act in a similar fashion. This bill delivers on the government's April commitment and implements recommendation 2 of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services.</para>
<para>Gambling is such a scourge; 80 per cent of Australians believe that gambling with credit cards should be restricted and banned. This is research from the Australian Banking Association. So it should be clear to all sides of the political divide that this must occur. I do hope this will be passed through the House with multipartisan support. It is quite nonsensical to think that we are allowing people to use credit cards, which use money people do not have and which they will pay a high interest rate on, to gamble.</para>
<para>Warringah constituents want to see action taken by all levels of government to reduce gambling harm. We know that, at the recent state election, gambling was very much on the agenda as a policy issue. I should say it's been disappointing to see what the Minns government has in fact put in place. It really has failed to take leadership and a strong position in relation to reducing gambling and its incredibly harmful impacts. The Northern Beaches Council is currently seeking community consultation on the review of its gambling and poker machine harm minimisation policy, which was a leading local government policy when it was first introduced in 2018. It aims to educate the community about the services available to help reduce harm.</para>
<para>Too often we hear of tragic cases in our community where gambling has taken over the lives of people who are addicted to it. It's an issue that impacted our local community. A local man, a father of the Northern Beaches in his mid-40s—I won't name him, out of respect for his family—went on a 13-hour gambling spree. He was well known to local facilities and, incredibly tragically, he ultimately committed suicide due to his gambling. The impacts of his gambling addiction are just so incredibly tragic. No person or family should be experiencing this.</para>
<para>I've stood before this House and expressed my support for the government to do more to address gambling—in particular, online gambling, which is a huge issue in Australia. There is no doubt that the growth in online platforms has meant it is so much more readily available. It is immediate. It is instant. It is there 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It has changed the addictive nature of gambling by having it so readily accessible to people.</para>
<para>I am concerned, though, at the slow implementation of the recommendations that were included in the recent report in June 2023, named <inline font-style="italic">You win some, you lose more</inline><inline font-style="italic">.</inline> The report provided a significant list of changes to how we consider gambling and restrict gambling advertising. The government has indicated that it accepts the recommendations, but it has a very slow time line for implementation—over several years. I'm really horrified when I think of how many more families are going to be impacted by gambling while the government decides to implement and gradually get there on those recommendations, especially when the evidence of the impacts happening now is already so stark.</para>
<para>Compounding on all of this is that we need a national strategy, and we need states and territories to come to the table. But we also know that the COVID restrictions over the last few years have had a massive impact on gambling in communities. We saw a huge increase in online gambling. The government, I would say, is just catching up. It's such an issue that, in fact, during COVID I held an online forum for constituents to engage and so I could hear from my community about the impacts of increasing gambling during the pandemic. I gave them access to experts to really raise the alarm in relation to those concerns. Research by the Australian Institute of Family Studies shows that the proportion who gambled four or more times a week increased from 23 per cent to 32 per cent during the COVID pandemic, and one in three people who were surveyed signed up for a new online gambling account during COVID. Those statistics are incredibly stark.</para>
<para>Whilst this bill is welcome in seeking to prevent people from gambling money on credit—money they do not have—it fails to close all loopholes, thus undermining its efficacy. We need to keep in mind that young men are the population group that is most at risk of this. With access to online gambling so readily available, we need to make sure all loopholes are closed so that we really don't let this get a hold on people.</para>
<para>Professor Sally Gainsbury from the Gambling Treatment and Research Clinic at the Sydney university highlights the need to prevent loopholes, acknowledging that those suffering from gambling addiction seek to circumvent laws and management tools, and they are failing to address this, engaging with unsecured and small creditors, including payday lenders, pawnbrokers and family members, and using illegal offshore wagering websites and third-party mechanisms, such as e-wallets. I'm therefore calling for reviews of this legislation to take into account the extent to which this occurs. We must make sure loopholes are closed.</para>
<para>Alliance for Gambling Reform's Tim Costello opposed the carve-out for online lotteries and said that the harm from online lottery and Keno products is being understated. As outlined in their submission to the Senate committee, with the Lotto app you can easily spend $10,000 on tickets immediately. That's $10,000 going on credit from people who do not have that money. With Keno there is a maximum of $1,000 every three minutes. There is a carve-out in this legislation such that this can continue with credit cards. That is concerning, because that is still a loophole that will be used. Online lotteries absolutely need to be included in this bill, and I'm moving amendments to include those during consideration in detail. I urge the government to support those amendments, to really make this legislation as good as it can be and close those loopholes.</para>
<para>Finally, I'd like to acknowledge the incredible toll on families where there are family members with gambling addictions, and I urge them to seek help from services in our community, whether they be the one suffering or whether it is their families who are suffering. And I'd like to thank those people who do that work on the front line. It's incredibly distressing. This problem leads to the destruction of family units and, in tragic cases, to people taking their life. It's incredibly important that we close the loopholes and deal with gambling.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>157125</name.id>
    <electorate>Pearce</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak in support of the Interactive Gambling Amendment (Credit and Other Measures) Bill 2023. This bill implements recommendations of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services from November 2021 on the regulation of the use of financial services such as credit cards and digital wallets for online gambling in Australia. The minister, in her second reading speech, advised that, consistent with the inquiry's recommendations, lotteries present a lower risk of gambling harm. This bill does not apply to lotteries, including activities of not-for-profit charities and newsagents.</para>
<para>As stated, the bill will amend the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 to ban the use of credit cards and credit related products for online wagering to create a safer environment for Australians who are at risk of gambling harm. In addressing this bill, I thought it would be worth revisiting some of the points raised in the report of the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs—titled, quite aptly, <inline font-style="italic">You win some, you lose more</inline><inline font-style="italic">: </inline><inline font-style="italic">o</inline><inline font-style="italic">nline gambling and its impacts on those experiencing gambling harm</inline>, dated June 2023. The evidence given during this inquiry is compelling, and it is staggering to learn that Australia has the highest gambling losses per adult, with a total of $25 billion in losses per annum. We advised that Australians outspend the citizens of every other country in online gambling, which is staggering, especially when you consider the harm it is creating in our communities. In the foreword of the report, the committee Chair wrote:</para>
<quote><para class="block">If the status quo of online gambling regulation, including but not limited to advertising, was to continue Australians would continue to lose more—more money, more relationships, more love of sport for the game rather than the odds.</para></quote>
<para>That said, most Australians and indeed my own community believe that gambling is harmful to society and that it is way too easy to gamble in Australia. They worry about the effect it is having on our children and young people.</para>
<para>The standing committee report also stated that: online gambling companies advertise so much in Australia because it works; gambling advertising is grooming children and young people to gamble and encourages riskier behaviour; and the torrent of advertising is inescapable and is manipulating an impressionable and vulnerable audience to gamble online. Given the evidence provided, I agree that online gambling has the potential to cause psychological, health, relationship, legal and financial harm to individuals and their families. Sadly, it has been shown that gambling is a key risk factor for suicide.</para>
<para>In April of this year, the government promised to introduce legislation to ban the use of credit cards for online wagering by the end of the year, and we are delivering on that promise. Australians should not be gambling with money they do not have, nor should children and young people be exposed to gambling through relentless advertising and interactive games that simulate real gambling or include gambling-like features such as 'loot boxes'. Loot boxes are typically an in-game container that masks the contents, which are random. Players spend real currency or in-game currency to receive one of these random items, which can make the player more powerful, more competitive or more appealing. The report by the committee advised:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Loot boxes were found in 58 per cent of the top games in the Google Play Store, in 59 per cent of the top games on the Apple Store and in 36 per cent of the top games on the Steam store.</para></quote>
<para>Games these days act more like a service, with the companies often providing them for free and relying on the loot boxes to create an income stream. What is concerning is that they are encouraging gambling-like behaviour.</para>
<para>A constituent of mine in Pearce advised she had succumbed to this activity when recovering from surgery and subsequent depression, saying games provided an outlet, but soon realised, once the dollars spent started to mount up from this activity, that it was a form of gambling and she had to stop. Her action was to uninstall any game from her devices that included the loot box connection. There would probably not be one smartphone in this building that does not contain apps for games, many of which allow you to purchase additional tokens, extra games and the like. Not everyone will succumb to this temptation to spend up big, but, given the link to gambling, it is of concern.</para>
<para>As we now know, some interactive games share striking similarities with monetised forms of gambling and that the simulation of gambling activities and, in particular, winning can provide the same feelings as activities that are regulated as gambling and carry similar risks of addiction and other negative social, economic and health consequences. So it is absolutely imperative that we act. I am pleased that the government is working with state and territory governments to update the classification rules for online video games to protect children and other vulnerable people in our community from exposure to simulated gambling. It is important to take on board the advice of the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists and the Royal Australasian College of Physicians, who stated that the categorisation of gambling disorder reflects research suggesting that 'gambling disorder is similar to substance related disorders in clinical expression, brain origin, comorbidity, physiology and treatment. I am also drawn to the comment made by Professor Dan Lubman:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Addiction is not a choice. People experiencing gambling harm want nothing more than to stop. Many do, but only with the right treatment, care and support. We show incredible compassion to those struggling with cancer, heart disease and mental health, yet we typically blame people living with addiction.</para></quote>
<para>We need to remove the stigma attached to gambling addiction and barriers to seeking help.</para>
<para>I note that the government is currently considering the comprehensive recommendations handed down by the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs in its inquiry into online gambling and its impacts on those experiencing gambling harm. The purpose of the bill is to reduce gambling harm experienced by Australians by prohibiting the use of credit cards, credit related products and digital currency as payment methods for interactive wagering services. The bill is compatible with the human rights and freedoms recognised or declared in the international instruments listed in section 3 of the Human Rights (Parliamentary Scrutiny) Act 2011.</para>
<para>It is disturbing to know that the Alliance for Gambling Reform stated to the standing committee that Australians lose the most money to online gambling per capita in the world. This is totally and absolutely unacceptable. Given the havoc that online gambling is creating in our community, I fully support the bill and look forward to further deliberations by the government on other recommendations handed down by the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs in its inquiry into online gambling and its impact on those experiencing gambling harm. We have to act in this way. I commend the bill to the House.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>19:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Ms SHARKIE</name>
    <name.id>265980</name.id>
    <electorate>Mayo</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to support the Interactive Gambling Amendment (Credit and Other Measures) Bill 2023. It's an easy decision. It pretty much mirrors a bill I introduced in March this year. It's just a great shame that we've wasted seven months—we've seen harm over the last seven months—because of the lack of action on this very issue. It's a very simple bill in the sense that it recognises credit is really bad when it comes to gambling, and that preventing the use of credit reduces gambling harm because people have to use their savings; they're not using money that's not yet theirs. As well as banning the use of credit cards for interactive gambling services, my private member's bill required gambling companies to ensure people expressly acknowledged their losses, and that is something I would really like to see the government do.</para>
<para>We are the biggest losers in the world. We lose $25 billion a year. Those figures are from 2018-19. We know that they're worse now. We know that those figures will pale in comparison with what's lost in 2023-24. That's why I'm taking this opportunity to ask the government to enact all of the recommendations from the <inline font-style="italic">You win some, you lose more</inline> committee report, and let's do this now. It has taken months to get to this point. As my mum says, it's as slow as molasses in winter. Enough is enough—that was what the report said, the unanimous report with 31 strong recommendations. We can't keep waiting. We can't push this out to next year and then the year after and then there will be an election. We need to act now.</para>
<para>I also want to recognise that ACMA, the Australian Communications and Media Authority, showed that one million gambling advertisements aired on free-to-air metropolitan and regional TV and metropolitan radio between May 2022 and April 2023. That is obscene. One million advertisements. It's no wonder our young people are getting caught up in this because it's at saturation level. It doesn't end for them. We need to do better in this country. We can't have the title of being the world's biggest loser. We need to do better. This bill is a very good start, but my goodness it's a very, very small step.</para>
<para>I strongly urge the government: you've got an inquiry report; it has some very sensible recommendations. Let's get to it, and let's get to it now. This is harming our kids. Our kids know what the odds are for games on television. Our kids know about all the sporting apps because they see the advertisements. We reacted to smoking differently in the nineties. We said: 'Enough is enough. This is a public health issue. We must do better.' And then we banned advertising for cigarettes. We must do the same now with respect to gambling advertising.</para>
<para>The work that we do in this place is so critical, but we are letting down the 1.3 million people who already have a problematic gambling addiction or who are at risk of that. We wouldn't do that if we had a million people with drug issues. We would say, 'We need to make sure that we have supports available to you.' We're not doing that with this. Let's do better. Let's look at those recommendations. Let's use the rest of this parliamentary year to make sure those recommendations are implemented into law. I commend this bill to the House.</para>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
<para>Federation Chamber adjourned at 19:29</para>
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