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    <date>2020-05-14</date>
    <parliament.no>46</parliament.no>
    <session.no>1</session.no>
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    <chamber>Senate</chamber>
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            <a href="Chamber" type="">Thursday, 14 May 2020</a>
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            <span style="font-weight:bold;">The PRESIDENT (Senator the Hon. </span>
            <span style="font-weight:bold;">Scott Ryan)</span> took the chair at 09:30, read prayers and made an acknowledgement of country.</span>
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        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>1</page.no>
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          <title>Tabling</title>
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        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>1</page.no>
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          <title>National Disability Insurance Scheme Joint Committee, Legal and Constitutional Affairs References Committee</title>
          <page.no>1</page.no>
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            <title>Meeting</title>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
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  <para>I remind senators that the question may be put on any proposal at the request of any senator.</para>
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        <page.no>1</page.no>
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          <title>Privacy Amendment (Public Health Contact Information) Bill 2020</title>
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                <span class="HPS-SubDebate">Privacy Amendment (Public Health Contact Information) Bill 2020</span>
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            <title>In Committee</title>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The CHAIR</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The committee is considering the Privacy Amendment (Public Health Contact Information) Bill 2020. The question is that the bill stand as printed.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question to the minister is on whether she has managed to get an answer to the question she took on notice yesterday in relation to contracts.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Sorry, Senator Patrick; I was speaking with the minister for trade. I think I heard you ask if I have any response in relation to the matter on contracts. I don't have it in front of me, Senator, but let me just seek some advice from my virtual advisers and come back to the chamber when I'm able.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Perhaps they're COVID-safe advisers, Minister! On top of that, I really would like to understand, when that contract comes around to being renewed, whether it would be opened up to Australian companies. There are, of course, provisions in the Commonwealth Procurement Rules to simply stick with the limited tender on the basis that you're already in contract.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm happy to have a look at that.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My first question is: would the minister advise how many data files from COVID affected users have been successfully uploaded and decrypted?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As is entirely appropriate under the construct of this app and the pertinent legislation, we do not have access to that information, and nor should we.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:33</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>You don't have information as to the number of users?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Certainly there is information in relation to the number of downloads of the app, which gives us the number of users per se. As of yesterday, I understand, it was 5.63 million. I did say to the chamber yesterday 5.83; that was a verbal typo. It's 5.63 million users.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>How many data files from COVID affected users, though?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Again, Senator Roberts, I refer to my previous answer. That's not information that we have, and nor should we.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Just how many data files does the government expect to get? With less than 10 Australians getting COVID each day and the install rate at 20 per cent of the population, that suggests two data files a day.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think at this point in time—and, in fact, in general in relation to this matter—we would not be engaging in speculation on that. The most important thing that we are focused on is encouraging Australians to download the app and use it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>How much are you paying to which companies to run this app? Is it a flat fee or price per install? What would be the weekly cost?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I might take that question on notice and seek further information on that in terms of the detail that you've asked for.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Did you require Atlassian to pay their company tax before giving them the contract for the app?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm not aware of the details of that, but if you wish me to seek further information, I will.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Has your government done any modelling on the success rate from tracing COVID affected contacts from using the app as against the current personal tracing system involving calls to infected people?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll seek some advice from the Minister for Health on that, Senator. As we were discussing yesterday in the chamber, the process of contact tracing is a very intensive and time-consuming process. The officers who are engaged in that now are doing an excellent job, but this will most certainly enhance the ability for Australia to engage in that contact-tracing process.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Does the server for the app use 32-bit encryption that is not secure or secure 128-bit encryption to encrypt the user IDs?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm advised that the encryption that we are using is the strongest available encryption. I'll provide you with further details if I'm able to obtain them.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Are you aware that the government's COVIDSafe app is not compliant with your government's own accessibility standards for disabled people for an app? That standard is titled WCAG 2.0 A.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As we discussed in the chamber yesterday, in the brief period we had in committee, we are continually working on and with the app. If there are issues in relation to access for disabled users, then of course that would be a matter of action for the government. If you wish to raise specific issues—and I'm not familiar with the code name that you used at the end of your question there—then I'll certainly raise that with the appropriate ministers.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Just to repeat that then: the standard for the app is WCAG 2.0 A.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move the Australian Greens amendments on sheet 8954 together:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 1, item 1, page 4 (line 6), at the end of the definition of registration data , add ", and includes the person’s phone number".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 11 (line 3) , before " A person ", insert " (1) ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) (2) A person commits an offence if:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) the person decrypts encrypted data; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) the data is COVID app data that is stored on the National COVIDSafe Data Store; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (c) the decrypting of the data is not for the purpose of, and only to the extent required for the purpose of, undertaking contact tracing.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Penalty:   Imprisonment for 5 years or 300 penalty units, or both.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> (4) (ba) show whether or not the other person has COVIDSafe downloaded or in operation on a communication device; or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) (1A) An act or practice in breach of a requirement of the <inline font-style="italic">Biosecurity (Human Biosecurity Emergency) (Human Coronavirus with Pandemic Potential) (Emergency Requirements—Public Health Contact Information) Determination</inline><inline font-style="italic">2020</inline> in relation to an individual, which occurs before the commencement of this Part, constitutes an act or practice involving an interference with the privacy of the individual for the purposes of section 13.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: The act or practice may be the subject of a complaint under section 36.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 15 (line 15) , after " subsection (1) ", insert " or (1A) ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(7) Schedule 1, item 2, page 15 (line 18), at the end of subsection 94R(2), add "or the determination referred to in subsection (1A)".</para></quote>
<para>I'll just briefly explain these amendments. As I said in my contribution on the second reading, we do acknowledge that there are significant protections on privacy contained in this legislation. In fact, it ought to set a minimum standard for government in terms of protecting people's personal information and private data. It's quite shameful that a number of other sets of data collected by the Commonwealth government are not protected to the extent that data collected by this app will be. However, as ought to be obvious by our amendments, we still believe that this bill could be strengthened and more robust protections placed around the data collected by the app, and that is what our amendments seek to do.</para>
<para>The first amendment relates to the definition of COVID app data. I acknowledge the improvements that the government has made in the legislation that we're considering compared to the exposure draft which was originally released publicly. As a result of those amendments, the bill now covers registration data and has narrowed significantly what de-identified information is carved out from the definition. But the bill doesn't seem, on our view, to cover phone numbers, and it really should, because mobile phone numbers are in themselves personal information, because of the separate requirement under telecommunication laws for proof of identity when someone becomes a mobile phone subscriber. So our first amendment on sheet 8954 adds the person's phone number into the bill's definition of registration data.</para>
<para>Our second amendment, around decrypting the data store, will also extend prohibitions in the bill on decrypting data on communications devices to include all data that is stored in the national COVIDSafe data store and is not required for the purpose of tracing contacts of verified COVID-19 carriers.</para>
<para>The next amendment is the creation of an additional COVIDSafe offence. Proposed section 94H makes it an offence to require someone to download the app, have the app operating or consent to uploading data from their communication device to the national COVIDSafe data store. This amendment will make it an offence to require someone to show you whether they have downloaded the app onto their communications device or not. This will further reduce the potential for this app to be used for discriminatory purposes.</para>
<para>The next amendment is in regard to a breach of the biosecurity determination. This amendment would ensure that the protections from interference with privacy that will be provided by part VIIIA of the Privacy Act after royal assent to this bill will also be provided from the commencement of the determination. That will allow the Information and Privacy Commissioner to investigate and report on all data collected and stored by COVIDSafe.</para>
<para>Finally on this sheet are consequential amendments to remove limitations. This includes removing exemptions for the disclosure of personal information to ASIO, ASIS, the Australian Signals Directorate and the Office of National Intelligence and provides that these exemptions do not apply, so a disclosure in breach of the new COVIDSafe app privacy requirements to one of those agencies would still constitute an interference with privacy.</para>
<para>I commend these amendments to the chamber.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>There is strong public interest in putting these privacy protections in place as soon as possible, so Labor will not be supporting any amendments that will further delay the passage of this bill. Prior to its introduction into the parliament, as I indicated yesterday in my speech on the second reading, Labor worked constructively with the government to improve the bill, and many of our suggestions to improve privacy protections have been incorporated into the version of the bill before us today.</para>
<para>It is not Labor's position that this bill is perfect. Understandably, this bill was drafted quickly and it has not gone through the usual parliamentary committee processes of review. That is why Labor welcomes the announcement by the Senate Select Committee on COVID-19 that it intends to oversee COVIDSafe, including the effectiveness of the privacy protections set out in this bill and whether they can be further improved.</para>
<para>As I say, we do welcome the fact that the government took up a number of our suggestions to improve this bill and improve the privacy protections. We are confident that the Senate select committee will provide an avenue to make further improvements should they be needed, but we won't be supporting any further amendments, because we don't want to see this bill delayed any further.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I indicate that Centre Alliance will be supporting the bill, but I will call out the logic of Senator Watt, in that there is no delay if you simply indicate support. You don't have to wait to make something perfect if something is made better by the movement of an amendment. We have also agreed amendments and worked constructively with the government in relation to this bill. But that shouldn't fetter this chamber trying to go a little bit further to make it a little bit more perfect.</para>
<para class="italic">The CHAIR: The question is that amendments (1) to (7) on sheet 8954, as moved by Senator McKim, be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—In lieu of calling a division, which we would usually do, I would simply ask that our obvious support for our own amendments and, I believe, Senator Patrick's and Senator Ryan's support be recorded.</para>
<para class="italic">The CHAIR: We will record that the Greens and Centre Alliance were in favour of these amendments.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move amendments (1) to (4) on sheet 8956 together:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 1, item 2, page 11 (after line 1), at the end of section 94F, add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) A person commits an offence if:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) the person copies data from the National COVIDSafe Data Store; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) the copied data is transferred to a database outside Australia or to another person who is outside Australia.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Penalty:   Imprisonment for 5 years or 300 penalty units, or both.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 1, item 2, page 17 (line 24), omit "to cease if", substitute "where".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) Schedule 1, item 2, page 18 (line 6), omit "subsection (5)", substitute "subsections (4) and (7)".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Schedule 1, item 2, page 18 (lines 10 to 32), omit subsections 94U(3) to (5), substitute:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) If the Commissioner of Police or the Director of Public Prosecutions:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) has been informed of the Commissioner's opinion under paragraph (2)(a); and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) is satisfied that an investigation relating to the matter, or proceedings for an offence relating to the matter, will be jeopardised, or otherwise affected, by continuation of the Commissioner's investigation;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">the Commissioner of Police or the Director of Public Prosecutions, as the case requires, must give a written notice to that effect to the Commissioner.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) If the Commissioner has not received a notice under subsection (3) within 14 days of informing the Commissioner of Police or the Director of Public Prosecutions of the Commissioner's opinion under paragraph (2)(a), the Commissioner may continue the investigation discontinued under paragraph (2)(c).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) However, if the Commissioner receives a notice under subsection (3) after that 14 day period, the Commissioner must discontinue the investigation upon receiving the notice.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) If the Commissioner of Police or the Director of Public Prosecutions:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) has given a notice under subsection (3); and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) is satisfied that an investigation relating to the matter, or proceedings for an offence relating to the matter, will no longer be jeopardised, or otherwise affected, by continuation of the Commissioner's investigation;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">the Commissioner of Police or the Director of Public Prosecutions, as the case requires, must give a written notice to that effect to the Commissioner.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(7) Upon receiving a notice under subsection (6), the Commissioner may continue the investigation discontinued under paragraph (2)(c) or subsection (5).</para></quote>
<para>These amendments, moved by Centre Alliance, will make sure that the COVID app data cannot be copied and used overseas. Currently the bill prohibits retaining data outside Australia; however, these amendments make it explicit that it's an offence if persons copy the app data and transfer it outside of Australia.</para>
<para>The amendments will also ensures that the Privacy Commissioner does not lose the opportunity to investigate a breach while waiting to know if the Director of Public Prosecutions or the Commissioner of Police intends to pursue the matter. The bill currently only lets the Privacy Commissioner pursue a breach when the Director of Public Prosecutions or the Commissioner of Police are satisfied that an investigation will not jeopardise their investigation. However, if the DPP or Commissioner of Police are not timely with giving the Privacy Commissioner the okay, the opportunity to pursue the matter may be lost due to the short duration of the bill's time frame. These amendments will enable the Privacy Commissioner to continue an investigation until the Director of Public Prosecutions or the Commissioner of Police issues a notice that the Privacy Commissioner's intentions will jeopardise their investigation. Basically, this puts a positive obligation on both the DPP and the Commissioner of Police to make a timely assessment so that the Privacy Commissioner is not left waiting for a long period of time.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We are not supporting these amendments by Senator Patrick. But let me refer briefly to the second one, because that has been a genuine concern raised by Senator Patrick and others. I can advise that, since the release of the exposure draft, the government has in fact made amendments which we believe deal with this issue and achieve that balance between privacy and law enforcement investigations. The recent inclusion of clause 94U (4) allows that, where the police commissioner or the DPP is satisfied that a privacy investigation will not jeopardise or otherwise affect a criminal investigation or proceeding the Privacy Commissioner may continue their own investigation. Those amendments were developed in consultation with the office of the Australian Information Commissioner, and we believe that they do strike the right balance.</para>
<para>I note there's also a time period proposed in the amendment—a 14-day time period. In our view it's not appropriate to place time restrictions on the DPP or a police commissioner to determine whether a separate investigation would have a prejudicial impact on a criminal investigation or proceeding.</para>
<para>I appreciate the issues that Senator Patrick has brought forward, but we do believe we have been able to address those.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Just in response to the minister, I know we are in some sense playing at the margins. Really, what we're trying to do is put a positive obligation on the police to come back early to the Privacy Commissioner—sorry, put a positive obligation on them to stop. I think we are playing at the fringes but we think our amendment is slightly better. I acknowledge that we had talked to the Attorney-General about this and they had certainly talked to us about the amendments that you have described.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll be very brief. I just wanted to rise to indicate the Australian Greens support for Senator Patrick's amendments.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As I indicated previously, Labor will be opposing these amendments and further amendments. I refer to the comments I made in respect of the previous amendments. Labor believes that there is a strong public interest in putting these privacy protections in place as soon as possible. So Labor will not be supporting any amendments that will delay the passage of this bill, including these amendments.</para>
<para class="italic">The CHAIR: The question is that amendments (1) to (4) on sheet 8956, move together by leave by Senator Patrick, be agreed to. Those of that opinion say aye and against say no. I believe the noes have it. Senator McKim, I'm assuming you want the Greens support for these amendments noted, and I'm assuming that's for Senator Patrick as well. So we will do that.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move Australian Greens/Centre Alliance amendments (1) to (13) on sheet 8960:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 1, item 2, page 12 (after line 16), at the end of section 94H, add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) A person commits an offence if the person engages in conduct that is intended to coerce another person (including by physical intimidation or imposing a financial disadvantage) into doing any or all of the following:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) downloading COVIDSafe to a communication device;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) having COVIDSafe in operation on a communication device;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) consenting to uploading COVID app data from a communication device to the National COVIDSafe Data Store.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Penalty: Imprisonment for 5 years or 300 penalty unit s, or both.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 1, item 2, page 15 (after line 3), at the end of section 94P, add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">   </inline> <inline font-style="italic">Commissioner to assess compliance with deletion obligations</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) The Commissioner must:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (a) conduct an assessment of the data store administrator's compliance with the obligations in this section, to verify that all COVID app data from the National COVIDSafe Data Store has been deleted; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (b) as soon as practicable after completing the assessment, prepare and give to the Health Minister a written report of the assessment.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) The Health Minister must table a copy of the report in each House of Parliament within 15 sitting days after the Commissioner gives a copy of the report to the Minister.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) The data store administrator must provide the Commissioner with any assistance reasonably required to conduct the assessment. This section does not limit the Commissioner's other powers under this Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 20 (line 27) , omit " subsection (2) ", substitute " subsections (2) and (4) ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 2 1 (after line 11) , at the end of section 94Y , add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">   </inline> <inline font-style="italic">COVIDSafe data period ends if human biosecurity emergency ceases</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Despite subsections (1) and (2), if:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (a) the <inline font-style="italic">Biosecurity (Human Biosecurity Emergency) (Human Coronavirus with Pandemic Potential) Declaration 2020</inline> ceases to be in force on a day (the <inline font-style="italic">emergency declaration expiry day</inline> ); and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (b) the Health Minister:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (i) has not already determined a day under subsection (1); or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (ii) has determined a day under subsection (1) that is later than the emergency declaration expiry day;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">the Health Minister is taken to have determined the emergency declaration expiry day as the day under subsection (1).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: The <inline font-style="italic">Biosecurity (Human Biosecurity Emergency) (Human Coronavirus with Pandemic Potential) Declaration 2020</inline> is made under section 475 of the <inline font-style="italic">Biosecurity Act 2015</inline>. The period for which the declaration is in force can be extended under section 476 of that Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 21 (line 30) , omit " 6 month period ", substitute " 3 month period ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 21 (line 32) , omit " 6 month period ", substitute " 3 month period ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(7) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 22 (lines 2 to 3) , omit " 6 month period ", substitute " 3 month period ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(8) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 22 (lines 7 to 8) , omit " 6 month period ", substitute " 3 month period ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(9) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 22 (line 10) , omit "3 months ", substitute "1 month ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(10) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 22 (line 17) , omit " 6 month period ", substitute " 3 month period ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(11) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 22 (line 19) , omit " 6 month period ", substitute " 3 month period ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(12) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 22 (lines 27 to 28) , omit " 6 month period ", substitute " 3 month period ".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(13) Schedule 1 , item 2 , page 22 (line 30) , omit "3 months", substitute "1 month ".</para></quote>
<para>These amendments range across a number of provisions contained in this legislation. The first of these amendments creates an additional coercion offence. A number of behavioural economists and others have proposed making things like government payments, tax breaks and other financial rewards and financial disincentives dependent on people using the app. The exposure draft bill would not have captured these issues, but the bill, as changed by the government from the exposure draft to the one that we're currently considering, will catch many of those coercion concerns that the Australian Greens and Centre Alliance have.</para>
<para>However, the current provisions on coercion would still fail to capture non-commercial forms of coercion, such as those relating to, for example, family violence and abuse, and our amendment would make it clear that no form of coercion is legal or lawful under the act. This includes discounts, payments or other financial incentives that may be contingent on a person downloading or using the app, and it would also make it clear that people aren't allowed to be asked to show that their mobile device has the app loaded, in order to avoid discriminatory or abusive treatment.</para>
<para>The second of these amendments relates to privacy verification of data deletion. As an independent regulator, the Information and Privacy Commissioner has discretion as to how and what duties they execute under the powers of this bill. This means that the Information and Privacy Commissioner's final report may or may not contain or report on whether they are satisfied that the data store administrator has complied with the legislation regarding compliance and deletion of the COVIDSafe app and its data. So this amendment will include provisions requiring that the Information and Privacy Commissioner inspect and verify that the data deletion obligations at the end of the app's period of operation have been complied with by requiring the data store administrator to confirm and report to the commissioner that the data has been deleted as required by the app. The amendment provisions will also require that the Information and Privacy Commissioner provide a report to the minister on compliance with deletion obligations as soon as is practicable and for this report to be tabled in both houses of parliament by the minister within three sitting days of receiving it.</para>
<para>The next amendment goes to the end of the COVIDSafe data period. This is quite a significant amendment because we do have concerns with the way that the government has approached the sunset provisions of this legislation, which is effectively to leave it in the hands of the health minister in terms of when the operation of COVIDSafe ends and the data is deleted. This amendment will ensure that the act and all activities covered by the act—including, use, communication and storage of COVIDSafe data—sunset as soon as the human biosecurity emergency declaration ends or by the trigger currently in the act, whichever is sooner and also provide that the collection of data for the COVIDSafe app and the state of emergency under the Biosecurity Act all cease at the same time. This is aimed at ensuring the app and the collection of data do not exceed the declared state of emergency under the Biosecurity Act.</para>
<para>I just want to speak to this at a little bit more length because the dataset collected by this app does, I think everyone would acknowledge, contain potentially very sensitive personal information. We're obviously living through a global pandemic, and this bill, I believe, will pass through this chamber with unanimous support. But if the pandemic has eased off to the extent that the declaration of a human biosecurity emergency is over, there is simply no reason for this data to still be maintained. The minister can extend the declaration if he wishes, but if we're through this pandemic to the extent that the declaration ends, I cannot possibly see how the government has an argument to keep this app in operation and to retain the extremely sensitive personal information that is collected by this app. So this amendment is critical, in our view, and it links the sunset of this bill, once it becomes an act, to the end of the declaration.</para>
<para>I'll say again: if the emergency declaration lapses and if we're through the pandemic to the extent that the government does not believe we need to be living under a human biosecurity emergency declaration, the Australian Greens—and I won't speak for Centre Alliance, but they are co-sponsoring this amendment—believe that there is no reason that the data that is collected by this app should remain. We believe that it should be deleted in order to minimise the chances of this information being hacked or the information otherwise being made public or provided to people that it should not be provided to.</para>
<para>The next amendment is around the privacy verification of data deletion, and, again, as an independent regulator, the Information and Privacy Commissioner has discretion as to how and what duties they execute under the powers of this bill. That means that the Information and Privacy Commissioner's final report may or may not report on whether they are satisfied that the data store administrator has complied with the legislation regarding compliance and deletion of the COVIDSafe app and its data. This amendment will include provisions requiring the Information and Privacy Commissioner to inspect and verify that the data deletion obligations at the end of the app's period of operation have been complied with by requiring that the administrator confirm and report to the commissioner that the data has been deleted as required by the app and for the Information and Privacy Commissioner to provide a report to the minister on compliance with deletion obligations as soon as is practicable and for this report to be tabled in both houses of parliament by the minister within three sitting days of receiving it.</para>
<para>The final amendment on this sheet relates to the reporting period. In the version of the bill that we're debating, the government has introduced biannual reporting on the operation and effectiveness of the COVIDSafe app. Given the relatively short lifetime planned for this app—or, we hope it will be a short lifetime—and the understandable concerns people hold regarding the privacy of their data being held in the national data store, we think it appropriate that this data be reported on every three months or within one month of making a determination under section 94Y.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Very briefly, Senator McKim took the words right out of my mouth.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>09:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Again I refer to the comments I made in respect of the previous amendments. Labor believes there is a strong public interest in putting these privacy protections in place as soon as possible, and so Labor will not be supporting this or any other amendments that will delay the passage of this bill.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I won't unduly hold up the Senate but I just wanted, as Senator Patrick has done, to respond to Labor's position. I note and pay credit to them that they haven't been disparaging of these amendments in any way. If the Senate was minded to amend this legislation, it could just be put down to the other place today. I think it unlikely in extreme that that would cause any significant or even meaningful delays to the passage of this legislation. I've seen this approach by the Australian Labor Party in regard to other legislative areas in this parliament, specifically around national security issues, where Labor—and fair enough too—does negotiate outcomes with government.</para>
<para>I would urge the Labor Party to not close its mind to further amendments on the floor of the Senate. That's the job that we're chosen to do by the people that vote for us. It is part of our job as legislators to try on the floor of this Senate and of the other place to make improvements to legislation which comes to this parliament. We genuinely believe that if our amendments proposed today were accepted by the Senate it would make this a more robust piece of legislation. It would allow the many people in this country who have concerns about how this app will operate to have an increased level of confidence and may in fact lead to an increased rate of download of this app. We do commend our amendments to the Senate.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>A request I made earlier was that, in lieu of a division, our votes and the votes of Centre Alliance can be recorded.</para>
<para>Bill agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill reported without amendments; report adopted.</para>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>7</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
</speech>
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          <title>Aged Care Legislation Amendment (Emergency Leave) Bill 2020</title>
          <page.no>8</page.no>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>8</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>8</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">Today I am introducing the Aged Care Legislation Amendment (Emergency Leave) Bill 2020.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill amends the <inline font-style="italic">Aged Care Act 1997</inline> and the <inline font-style="italic">Aged Care (Transitional Provisions) Act 1997 </inline>to introduce a new type of leave which can be utilised by permanent residents of aged care homes, in particular emergency situations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian Government is committed to ensuring that all older Australians have access to high quality aged care services whilst ensuring that they are treated with respect and dignity. Integral to this is the empowering of aged care residents to make their own decisions about their emotional wellbeing and physical health and safety.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This is particularly relevant in emergency situations, such as the COVID-19 pandemic. If a resident, or their family, is concerned that the current health emergency is impacting on the safe provision of residential aged care, they have the right to choose to take leave from the aged care home - without incurring financial burden and without the fear of losing their room.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In the current environment, permanent residents of an aged care home are entitled to take up to 52 days per year of what is known as social leave. When a resident exceeds their 52 days of social leave, the aged care provider no longer receives a subsidy payment for that resident. Therefore, in order to retain their place within the aged care home, the aged care provider charges a fee to the resident.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The current COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted the inadequacy of these leave provisions. Many permanent aged care residents are seeking to temporarily relocate to stay with family and reduce their risk of exposure to the virus. For these residents, the only options available are to use their social leave allocation or remain in the aged care home.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The difficulty is that many residents will exceed their social leave before they are ready to return to the aged care home. If they choose to remain on leave, the additional charges that may be incurred to secure their room place a significant, and unnecessary financial burden on families, carers and residents. In many cases, residents may simply not be able to afford the additional charges and therefore cannot take the leave they desire.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Government has received a large number of representations about this issue. The isolation, lack of visitation and inability to stay with family for the duration of the current COVID-19 pandemic, has caused great anxiety for a significant number of aged care residents and their families. Many residents, and their families, are fearful of the risk of contracting or spreading the virus whilst in an aged care home.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The amendments in this Bill introduce a new emergency leave type for permanent aged care residents, which will be activated during pandemics, natural disasters and other large-scale emergency situations, as determined by the Government.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This new leave type will not be available on a regular basis. Once activated the emergency leave will only be available for a set period, as determined by the Government, and will be applied either nationally or to a specific area or service. This will ensure the flexibility needed to allow the Government to address situations such as floods, bushfire emergencies, or future instances of isolated or regional outbreaks of COVID-19.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">In light of the current emergency, provision is being made to apply these changes retrospectively to 1 April 2020. This will ensure that residents who have already been financially impacted by the need to take leave from their aged care home will be adequately covered. It will also ensure providers are not financially disadvantaged.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill ensures that permanent aged care residents and their families are supported to make decisions about personal safety in emergency situations, and not suffer unnecessary financial burden as a result. It also ensures that following an emergency, residents are still able to use their social leave entitlement to maintain their normal visiting and special events routine with their families and friends, which is important for emotional and mental health.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This change is in the best interests of all older Australians and the broader community, by supporting the resident's right to make their own decisions about their care.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I made clear at the outset that Labor supports this bill. The Aged Care Legislation Amendment (Emergency Leave) Bill 2020 amends the Aged Care Act 1997 and the Aged Care (Transitional Provisions) Act 1997 to introduce a new type of leave that permanent residential aged care residents may utilise during situations such as natural disasters, pandemics or other large-scale emergencies that can impact the safe provision of residential aged care and the safety of the resident.</para>
<para>Once an emergency situation has been determined, the leave would be applied to a specific area, such as national, state and territory aged care planning for an individual service. This leave is for a specified time period and provides for a level of flexibility needed to allow the Commonwealth to address situations such as floods and bushfires or future instances of isolated or regional outbreaks of COVID-19.</para>
<para>Under each of the above-mentioned acts, permanent aged-care residents are entitled to take up to 52 days of nonhospital related leave, known as social leave, within a financial year. When an aged-care resident exceeds their annual social leave entitlement, the aged-care home no longer receives a Commonwealth residential care subsidy for that person, and the provider passes those costs onto the resident.</para>
<para>The emergency leave is not limited to a number of days or a specific timeframe. The minister can deem the length of time that emergency leave remains in place as well as an end date. Any declaration of emergency by a minister or his or her delegate for the purposes of this bill will be done as a disallowable instrument to allow scrutiny and oversight. There is no financial impact for the government by the proposed amendments. Any costs associated with updates to the aged care payments system will be funded from existing programs.</para>
<para>I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the minister for the spirit of bipartisanship he has undertaken to date. I understand the shadow minister has been briefed regularly in relation to COVID-19 but also in relation to this bill. We're also pleased that the government has listened to Labor around the issues of social leave. It is an issue that we have raised directly with the minister because we know there would have been an ongoing financial burden for many Australian families who are caring for their loved ones at home. There are around 500 Australian families currently caring for their loved ones under social leave arrangements.</para>
<para>With the COVID-19 pandemic, many family members have made a decision to continue caring for their loved ones in their own home and not return them to their residential facility to receive care. This has and will result in many older Australians passing the capped 52-day social leave arrangements. The consumer would ordinarily then be required to pay the government subsidy of around $230 per day to save their place in the residential aged-care facility they are taking leave from. For many families and consumers, this is a cost that they are unable to sustain. Amending the acts will ensure that the family or consumer will not take on any unnecessary financial burden if they have passed the 52-day social leave arrangements.</para>
<para>For social leave, there will be a retrospective date of 1 April 2020 so that families are covered as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. It is understood that the Commonwealth will continue to pay the subsidy to those residents accessing social leave from 1 July 2020, and this we welcome. At this stage, no end date has been put forward. However, we will monitor this as we enter a new financial year.</para>
<para>We acknowledge the difficult and challenging times for residents, their families and of course those who care and support older Australians, all aged-care workers. The COVID-19 virus has had a significant impact on residential and home care. It has infected residents and aged-care workers, and, sadly, the virus has claimed lives. Our deepest sympathies go to the families who have lost loved ones.</para>
<para>Labor has welcomed the opportunity to put forward ideas when it comes to supporting older Australians and aged-care workers. Social leave, as I've already stated, was raised as an issue by Labor, and again I thank the minister for listening to those representations. So, too, was the expanded support for vulnerable older Australians through the Community Visitors Scheme. Again, we acknowledge the government's $10 million announcement in relation to this measure. We hope it provides some much needed support.</para>
<para>Labor has also put forward ways that aged-care workers could be supported during the COVID-19 pandemic. Unfortunately, the government's announcement around the retention bonus has failed to support all aged-care workers. The government has excluded aged-care workers from receiving the retention bonus. It depends on where you work and what role you do. Frankly, this just is not good enough. The shadow minister has written to the Minister for Aged Care and Senior Australians twice, calling on the Morrison government to value all aged-care workers for the care and support they all provide as a team to older Australians.</para>
<para>There have been infection control failures. Residents, their families and staff deserve answers to what went wrong. It is our hope that the Morrison government will join Labor in calling for the royal commission into aged care to investigate the COVID-19 virus' deadly impact at Newmarch House. It's the right thing to do, and the royal commission has the investigatory powers to do this special investigation. This special investigation is important: it will provide many answers so that if a pandemic happens again we will know more about how best to manage this situation in a residential aged-care facility but also Australians must be assured that we have the best infection control practices in aged care. In conclusion, this bill will make a difference to families who are caring for their loved ones. As I've said earlier, we are pleased that the government has listened to Labor's concerns and acted.</para>
<para>I also wanted to take this opportunity to put on the record our thanks to all of our aged-care workers who continue to work tirelessly through the COVID-19 pandemic. We know it's been a tough and challenging time for you and your families. We appreciate the work that you do. You are valued. We value the work that you do, and we thank you for the work that you do to care for and support older Australians.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise today to speak on the Aged Care Legislation Amendment (Emergency Leave) Bill 2020. This bill introduces emergency leave for residents living in aged-care facilities. At the moment residents have 52 days social leave during which they can leave the facility—for example, to stay with family members or others. However, if a resident spends more than 52 days away from the facility, providers can ask residents to pay a fee to reserve their place. This creates problems during emergency situations, such as the current coronavirus pandemic, when residents decide to temporarily leave a facility to live with family members instead.</para>
<para>This bill enables the Minister for Aged Care and Senior Australians to make a determination about an emergency situation for a specific area and a specified time period. Once an emergency has been declared, residents in the aged-care facilities can access emergency leave and don't need to use up their 52 days of social leave. It also prevents aged-care providers from charging residents to reserve their place in an aged-care service during declared emergencies. The determination can relate to a natural disaster, pandemic, epidemic or other large-scale emergency that might impact on the safe provision of aged care. It can be made at a national, state, territory or individual service level. The bill also allows for retrospective payments of the residential care subsidy to be made to affected services for residents taking emergency leave.</para>
<para>The Australian Greens support this bill. It ensures older Australians aren't unfairly disadvantaged if they decide to move back in with their family during, for example, this pandemic. I hope that the flexibility built into the legislation will allow the minister to enable emergency leave during a wide range of scenarios. However, there are still some gaps in our legislative process that I would like to address today, hospital leave being one of them that I have raised on a number of occasions in the past. I will note that I've had a lot of complaints from people about it.</para>
<para>I would like to go to address this issue of hospital leave. Long-standing issues around hospital leave have become even more apparent in this coronavirus pandemic. If you take leave from a residential aged-care facility to go to hospital you are still charged fees and daily accommodation costs. After 29 days of hospital leave, residents may have a reduction in their means-tested care fee. Quite frankly, it is unreasonable that older Australians continue to pay fees for day-to-day services such as meals, cleaning and laundry when they are in hospital. It's also unfair that they are charged fees for extra services clearly not being used at the time.</para>
<para>That brings me to the point that yesterday we learned that the federal government has ordered Bupa to pay $6 million in penalties and millions more in refunds for residents who have paid thousands of dollars a year for services they have not received. I have raised the issue of providers charging residents for extra services a number of times at Senate estimates. I welcome the federal government's decision, but it shows that we desperately need greater oversight of when the so-called extra fees are charged and what they are charged for. If someone goes to hospital for coronavirus, they shouldn't be required to pay fees for services and care they are not receiving. Instead, there should be an option to freeze or waive residents' fees while on hospital leave, especially during a declared emergency. Older Australians deserve better, and I hope that the government will address this issue urgently.</para>
<para>One of the key issues raised when I was talking to people about this bill is that it doesn't address other types of aged-care services, including home care and CHSP. We don't want older Australians to abandon their home-care services. The coronavirus crisis is a critical time for many older Australians living at home and we have to ensure that they are supported. The crisis does raise questions about choice and control around aged-care services during emergencies. Under the Charter of Aged Care Rights, older Australians have the right to have control over and make choices about their care, and the right to exercise their rights without it adversely affecting the way they are treated. While some aged-care providers may be flexible in delivering services during this coronavirus crisis, there is no guarantee this is happening across the board. I would like to see the government allowing flexibility in the way that home-care packages are used and delivered during emergencies.</para>
<para>There are also issues around how we notify older Australians when they have been offered a home-care package. At the moment, older Australians receive a letter when they have been assigned a home-care package. They must respond to the letter within 52 days of its date. I have concerns around this time frame given we are experiencing postage delays across Australia because of coronavirus. I will be seeking assurances from the government around this time frame during a short committee process. I have a couple of questions that I want to get on the record. I want to go to issues raised in some of the aged-care inquiries that have been undertaken by the Community Affairs Committee and some of the recommendation have been made.</para>
<para>We are deeply saddened by the situation at Newmarch House, a residential aged-care facility. Newmarch House has highlighted how things can go wrong. Last year, the Senate finished an inquiry into the 'effectiveness of the Aged Care Quality Assessment and accreditation framework for protecting residents from abuse and poor practices, and ensuring proper clinical and medical care standards are maintained and practised'. Yes, it's a mouthful; it's also a very important issue. As noted in my second reading amendment, which I should indicate has been circulated, the recommendations from the clinical care inquiry highlight some of the urgent reforms that are still needed to be undertaken in aged care. The committee recommended the development of benchmarks for staffing levels and skills mix. We know that aged-care facilities suffer from chronic understaffing and under-resourcing. Sadly, the coronavirus crisis has highlighted this problem.</para>
<para>Last week, the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Foundation found that three-quarters of aged-care staff surveyed said there had been no increase in staff or hours during the coronavirus pandemic. Aged-care staff are trying their hardest. We give a strong shout-out to all the people that are working in aged care right now. But, without enough stuff with the appropriate skill mix, they are always going to be struggling to provide the best care that they can. The national average of care provided is around two hours and 50 minutes per resident per day. This falls significantly short of the four hours and 18 minutes a day required to provide a safe environment for residents. I appreciate that the government is funding the deployment of emergency response teams to aged-care facilities. I very strongly acknowledge that and thank the government for that. However, these are only temporary measures. I strongly believe that adequate staffing levels and skill mixes would allow us to better manage the risks of coronavirus and, in the longer term, once we get past this, the proper care that older Australians deserve in residential care.</para>
<para>The Community Affairs Committee also recommended that the government work with the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission to drive continuous improvement in quality and safety in aged care. The quality and safety commission provides a critical role of oversight in aged care, especially during the current pandemic. These responsibilities must go hand-in-hand with a framework for aged care that provides continuous improvement through evidence-informed best practice. As the royal commission into aged-care quality and safety highlighted, our aged-care system is in a shocking state of neglect. Short-term interventions are just not enough. There needs to be more to deliver an aged-care system that meets the needs of older people. Our system needs fundamental reform and redesign, which must be underpinned by a continuous improvement approach. Some of the other recommendations made by the committee include the implementation of a clearly articulated principle that the duty of care for regulation of residential aged care rests with the quality and safety commission, and that relevant government agencies and stakeholders work together to develop an industry model of care and work collaboratively to achieve better integration of aged care with primary health and acute-care services.</para>
<para>On behalf of the Greens, I move the second reading amendment on sheet 8964:</para>
<quote><para class="block">At the end of the motion, add:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">", but the Senate:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) is of the opinion that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) this bill does not address the issue of hospital leave, meaning aged care residents will still be required to pay fees and daily accommodation costs while they are on hospital leave during the coronavirus pandemic, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the roll-out of home care packages should not be delayed by the coronavirus pandemic;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) notes that the Community Affairs References Committee presented its final report on its inquiry into the effectiveness of the Aged Care Quality Assessment and accreditation framework for protecting residents from abuse and poor practices, and ensuring proper clinical and medical care standards are maintained and practised on 3 April 2019, to which the Government is yet to respond; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) calls on the Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) accelerate the roll-out of home care packages to expand the number available to older Australians, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) urgently respond to and implement the recommendations of the final report of the Community Affairs References Committee inquiry, particularly recommendations 3, 5, 6, 8 and 14".</para></quote>
<para>This highlights that the government must address these issues urgently. I sincerely hope that the government revisits these inquiries into aged care so that we can start implementing urgent reforms and better protect older Australians throughout the coronavirus pandemic. I would like to end with another call-out to workers in our aged-care facilities and home care, who are providing so much important care and support for older Australians.</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise on behalf of Centre Alliance to speak in support of the Aged Care Legislation Amendment (Emergency Leave) Bill 2020. The changes proposed in this bill are very important, and the current pandemic crisis has underscored the need for such changes. The bill introduces a new type of leave that permanent residential aged-care residents can utilise during situations such as natural disasters, pandemics and other large-scale emergencies. These can affect the safe provisions of residential aged care and, indeed, the safety of the resident</para>
<para>Currently permanent aged-care residents are entitled to take 52 days of non-hospital related leave, known as social leave, within the financial year. When an aged-care resident exceeds their annual social leave entitlement, the aged-care home no longer receives the Commonwealth residential care subsidy for that person, meaning the provider then needs to pass these costs on to the resident or their family. Importantly, the emergency leave under these changes would not be limited to a number of days or a specific time frame. Indeed, the minister can deem the length of time the emergency remains in place as well as the end date.</para>
<para>There is no financial impact for the government created by the proposed amendments. Any costs associated with the updates to the aged-care payment system are to be funded from existing programs. The legislation also provides for each declaration made by a minister or his or her delegate to be tabled as a disallowable instrument so there can be further oversight when this emergency leave provision is enacted—a very important component.</para>
<para>The provisions of this bill will no doubt give comfort to families who have watched the horror of COVID-19 outbreaks unfolding at aged-care facilities such as the Dorothy Henderson Lodge and Newmarch House. There is no doubt that the COVID-19 virus has had a significant impact on the residential and home care of older Australians. It has, sadly, infected residents and aged-care workers and claimed lives. Our deepest sympathies go to all families who have lost loved ones.</para>
<para>The COVID-19 pandemic has meant that many family members have made the decision to continue caring for their loved ones in their own homes and not to return to the residential aged-care facility to receive this care. We're told that there are currently around 500 Australian families caring for their loved ones under these social leave arrangements. This has resulted in many older Australians passing—or soon to pass—the 52-day social leave cap currently allowed for. The resident, or their family, is currently required to pay the government subsidy of $230 per resident per day to save their place in the residential aged-care facility that they are taking leave from. For many families and consumers this is very much an unsustainable cost. The proposed legislation will ensure that the family or consumer will not take on this unnecessary financial burden if they have passed that 52-day social leave arrangement.</para>
<para>Significantly, the legislation will operate retrospectively to 1 April 2020 for the social leave, so that all families can be covered as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. This, without doubt, will be a huge relief for the many families currently caring for their loved ones in their home. We understand that the Commonwealth will continue to pay the subsidy to those residents accessing social leave from 1 July 2020 as well, and we also welcome this. At this stage, we are told there will be no end date put forward for the current COVID-19 pandemic in relation to this emergency social leave. We will certainly monitor this going forward.</para>
<para>There is no doubt the pandemic crisis has created difficult and challenging times for residents, for their families and of course for those who support and care for our older Australians. The coronavirus pandemic is testing the aged-care sector and many other sectors in our community in ways that none of us could ever have imagined. Facilities have plans in place for infectious diseases such as influenza or a gastro outbreak, but coronavirus makes these pale in comparison. These times call for exceptional courage on all fronts. Older Australians living in aged-care facilities have seen a lifetime of ups and downs and are now the ones absolutely most vulnerable to this pandemic.</para>
<para>The aged-care workforce, working part-time or casually, many coming from overseas, are doing hard work with dedication and care, and we very much thank them. The aged-care facility management are making very tough calls, balancing the respect and dignity of their residents with the care and protection of them and their staff. In the interests of seeing swift passage of this bill through the parliament, we have chosen not to seek to amend the legislation, despite it offering up another opportunity to move significant amendments for much-needed financial transparency for the sector.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank senators for their contribution to this piece of legislation. The Australian population is ageing, and senior Australians and their families deserve to be treated with respect and dignity whilst receiving high-quality aged care and services. Integral to this is the empowering of aged-care residents to make their own decisions about their emotional wellbeing and physical health and safety. During difficult and challenging times such as the current COVID-19 pandemic, it is vital that senior Australians are supported in their right to exercise their choice about their care.</para>
<para>The COVID-19 emergency has highlighted a gap in existing residential care leave provisions when faced with a large-scale emergency. Currently, permanent aged-care residents are entitled to up to 52 days of social leave each financial year. If a resident exceeds their 52 days of leave then they are required to pay a significant fee to retain their place within the aged-care home. In the context of the Greens proposed amendment, can I say that hospital leave is already unlimited and there is no financial impost on the consumer, unlike social leave, where, as I've just said, the consumer must pay the full subsidy after 52 days. That is what this bill is seeking to address.</para>
<para>During the current pandemic, many permanent residents have indicated they wish to temporarily relocate to stay with family in order to reduce their risk of exposure to COVID-19. These residents currently have no other option but to use their social leave allocation, which will likely run out before they are ready to return to their aged-care home. If they choose to remain on leave, the additional charges that will be incurred to secure their room will place a significant and unnecessary financial burden on them or their families. In many cases, residents may simply not be able to afford the additional charges and may therefore be forced to return to the home or possibly forfeit their place.</para>
<para>The isolation, lack of visitation and inability to stay with family for the duration of the current COVID-19 pandemic has caused cognitive decline and anxiety for a significant number of aged-care residents. Many residents and their families are fearful of the risk of contracting or spreading the virus whilst in an aged-care home, yet are unable to exercise their right to manage their own health and wellbeing due to the limited leave provisions available. The new leave type being introduced through this bill will ensure that residents have access to appropriate leave during emergency situations, and not just during this current pandemic; the legislation makes a provision for any particular emergency situation, so that future governments have the flexibility that we're seeking to introduce right now. This will not see residents either financially disadvantaged or losing leave entitlements for situations completely out of their control. This change is in the best interests of all older Australians and the broader community, as it supports the residents, and in turn their family and carers, to make their own decisions about personal safety or care.</para>
<para>Can I join with other colleagues across the chamber in expressing our condolences to those who have lost loved ones in the current COVID-19 pandemic. I've had the opportunity to talk to some of the families of those loved ones. They're not just numbers. They are individuals. They are members of families who are loved and cherished by all their families, and we understand only too well the importance of providing high-quality care. Can I say, I don't share the pessimism that's been expressed by some in the chamber about the capacity of the aged-care sector to provide good-quality care. We are extremely fortunate in this country that less than one per cent of aged-care facilities have had an incidence of COVID-19. We have seen quite graphically, though, how devastating and how tragic it can be when a significant outbreak does take hold.</para>
<para>The government has not limited the resources that are available to a facility that has an outbreak of COVID-19. We've worked closely with each facility from the time we found out that they had an outbreak within the facility. We've had both state and Commonwealth medical experts and the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission, working closely with each facility to ensure that they have the resources that they need, whether that be staffing, PPE or advice, acknowledging that the states have oversight of clinical care responses within these circumstances. We've been working closely with all of the jurisdictions to provide the resources that are required to ensure that quality care is being provided but also acknowledging the requirement for communication. In certain circumstances we've provided additional resources, particularly for communication with residents' families so that they understand what's happening within the facilities.</para>
<para>I acknowledge the calls that have been made for the royal commission to consider the events, particularly at Newmarch, and I understand that the opposition has written to the royal commission in that context. I acknowledge, though, that the royal commission has said that they will be looking at aged care in the context of COVID-19 and I believe that's appropriate. But I also believe it's appropriate that they look at all circumstances of COVID-19 in aged-care facilities, because it's not just about Newmarch. Newmarch is a particular case that deserves attention, I agree; but I believe that the royal commission should be looking at all of the aged-care facilities and how each of them has managed COVID-19, because some of them have done a brilliant job. Also, it's not just about the things that have gone wrong. We also ought, through this process, be understanding what has been done well and acknowledging that and congratulating the sector for that, and I do congratulate the sector for that.</para>
<para>I congratulate the staff at the front line who are turning up every day in a very difficult circumstance and dealing with the residents who have been unfortunate enough to be infected with COVID-19, staff who have put themselves at risk and, in some circumstances, have themselves caught the virus. It's a very difficult circumstance for everyone. It's very stressful for everybody involved in all of those circumstances, and I acknowledge the efforts of the industry, the sector more broadly, and the staff, in particular on the front line And I acknowledge the concern quite rightly being expressed by the families, particularly by those who have loved ones within facilities that have had an infection within the site. I thank senators for their contributions to this piece of legislation and commend the bill to the Senate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I just wanted to indicate Labor's position in relation to the second reading amendment. I don't believe we've done that so far. There are a number of points raised in the Greens' second reading amendment that, of course, Labor has been calling on the government to fix urgently for some time. This includes the home care package waiting list: more than 104,000 older Australians are waiting for their package and, frankly, this is not good enough. Labor will continue to put pressure on the government to fix the home care package wait list. This is urgent. It should not be ignored during the COVID-19 pandemic.</para>
<para>With regard to the other issues raised in the Greens amendment, it is our strong view that the Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety should be given the opportunity to put forward its final report as it considers many of the significant issues that impact on the aged-care system. This bill is about supporting families and their loved ones at a very difficult and challenging time, and we don't want to hold this bill up, of course. The Greens have failed to consult with Labor on their second reading amendment and we will not be supporting it.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>281558</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that the second reading amendment on sheet 8964 as circulated and moved by Senator Siewert be agreed to. Those of that opinion say aye and against say no. I think the noes have it. I'm assuming the Australian Greens would like their support for these amendments noted, so we will do that. The question now is that the bill be read a second time.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
</interjection>
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            <title>In Committee</title>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have no intention of dragging this out. There are some issues that I want to ask the minister about and get on the record. Minister, in your second reading contribution just then you referred to a point I raised during my second reading contribution, which was around the issue of hospital leave. You made the point that it is unlimited. It is my understanding that there is not a restriction on the number of days that somebody can be in hospital out of residential aged care but they still do have to keep paying their accommodation costs and daily fee. Is that not a correct understanding?</para>
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<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The information I have is that when a person is hospitalised for more than 28 days the subsidy paid to the provider is reduced by 50 per cent, but, unlike a social leave, the consumer is not required to pay this. The consumer can be hospitalised for an unlimited number of days and will have no financial penalty as a result. You perhaps may be talking about additional fees, which are a different matter. They are paid in any circumstance, under any form of leave. That's a different matter again to the base fees, as I understand it.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can I be absolutely clear on this. If you are in hospital, there are no accommodation fees or daily fees at all. Is that correct?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The circumstance is exactly the same as with social leave. So, those daily fees that apply, the residents continue to pay with respect to social leave and hospital leave.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you for that clarification. I suspected that some people are paying fees that they shouldn't be paying, in that case. Do the emergency leave provisions also apply to the other types of aged care services—CHSP, Flexi Care and home care? If not, why not?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We'll have to get some advice for you specifically on that. I'm happy to come back to you with respect to that. But in the current circumstance I know where some people have decided they don't want to receive the services that they're attributed under the home care package, for example. My understanding is their package continued to accumulate, in that sense—so they're not receiving the services. Obviously, we would like them to continue to receive the services, because that's what they've been assessed to do. That's why we put in place the callback service through OPAN and some of the consumer peaks—so that we can call the receivers of the service, check their circumstances and see if they need any other services, but talk to them about continuing to receive the services that they have been assessed as requiring under their home care package, for example.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>That's reminded me to make a quick comment, which is that in my second reading contribution I did acknowledge the extra effort that has been put into the provision of extra supports for services where there has been an outbreak. My criticism—not criticism, but comment—extends more broadly, where we know there is understaffing in aged care, and that is continuing. It is shown by the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation that, in fact, this is continuing. So, the situation prior to the pandemic still exists in many aged care services. We're having the aged care royal commission for a reason and those reasons haven't gone away. But I do very readily acknowledge that you have made a very strong effort and made a lot of investment in helping those facilities that have had an outbreak of coronavirus.</para>
<para>That takes me to the point of your comments about, particularly, home care services, where people have suspended them because they are in isolation and were concerned to make sure that they didn't have anyone in their home. Are you assured that, where an older person in receipt of a package has decided to suspend the service, services are not continuing to charge people? What action have you taken to make sure that services are not continuing to charge services, even though they're not being provided, and what checking up have you done on that?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'll have to come back to you with some advice on that. I think it's a very legitimate question. We have been concerned to ensure that residents, as I have indicated earlier, continue to receive the care. There have been some services that have been suspended by service providers during the outbreak. I know that some of those services have subsequently recommenced, because I've made some specific inquiries with respect to some of those myself. But I'll have to check and I will come back to you with specific details around what charges may have continued, or not.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Minister. That is very much appreciated. I want to go to an issue—and this has been directly raised with us—around a point that I made in my second reading contribution, which is this issue around the number of days to accept or reject a package. It is 52 days at the moment. I think that's correct. Let me know if I've got that bit wrong. But there is a delay in Australia Post at the moment—I know that from personal experience. Has this matter been raised with you? If not, I'm raising it with you. Have you considered that you could extend that slightly so that people get the length of time that was intended for them to consider their position?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It's not an issue that has been raised with me as a concern. I note that the opposition were also raising concerns about the continued rollout of home-care packages, and the rollout we've committed to has continued despite the COVID-19 circumstance; in fact, it's ahead of schedule at this point in time. We also acknowledge and recognise the need for growth in home-care packages, which is why we've invested so heavily in that space over the last 18 months. But that particular issue hasn't been raised with me. I will seek some advice around the average time taken to take up a package, which will probably give me an indicator of that. I note that, in some of the previous reports that I've received, the time to take up a residential home-care place has extended and that I think goes not to the availability of residential places but to the time people are using to make a decision. I'll see if I can get some information for you and come back to you with respect to the time taken to take up a home-care package.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>That is very much appreciated, thank you, Minister. You, in fact, pre-empted my next question, which was about waiting lists. You may not be able to provide, so you might have to take it on notice, how many people are actually waiting now for a home-care package?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think the figure is as the opposition indicated in their contribution, somewhere about 104,000, but I'll get an exact number and I'll come back to you on notice.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I wanted to go back to the issue of hospital leave. As I said, this issue has been raised with us. Does the department check whether people are being charged for fees that, in fact, they shouldn't be being charged for when they're in hospital?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I have to get you some advice on that, but we are doing a piece of work right now with respect to additional service fees and additional fees. Because clarity has been an issue both for residents and providers, we're doing some work on how we might make those matters more transparent and clear for both providers and for residents.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>That was, in fact, going to be my last question. Was that issue around extra services? Can you just tell us when that piece of work is due to be finished by and maybe the terms of reference for that particular work?</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm trying to get it done as quickly as possible, bearing in mind there are a few other things going on in the aged care portfolio at the moment. But I know that both providers and residents are seeking some clarity in this and so I'm looking to try and get that clarity provided for everybody as quickly as possible. I don't have a specific end date. I've been working on it for a couple of months now but I'm looking to get it done as quickly as possible.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can I perhaps ask you to take on notice to provide us with the terms of reference for that particular piece of work?</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm happy to do that.</para>
<para>Bill agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill reported without amendments; report adopted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>When we were last debating this legislation, I was reflecting on the fact that Australia has the most expensive broadband of all OECD countries and that we should be seeking to improve affordability of broadband access in this country rather than reducing it and that's particularly relevant now given that we've got a large number of people working from home and we've got a lot of people who have lost their jobs as a result of the pandemic that we're all currently living through. Ultimately, one thing I hope will become apparent to more people in this place as a result of the pandemic and associated restrictions that are currently in place is that broadband should be regarded as an essential public service in this country. It's absolutely an essential utility and the quicker the government can come to grips with that concept, the more connected we'll become as a country and the better and more affordable broadband services will be. The Australian Greens believe that, rather than the way forward proposed in this legislation, the most equitable option for funding these matters would be a broad based funding pool, directly funded through the Commonwealth budget. I want to place on the record that that's been acknowledged by both the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission as well as the Productivity Commission.</para>
<para>I spoke about broadband affordability but I also want to speak very briefly about broadband speed in Australia. We are currently ranked 68th in the world for average broadband speed. That is simply not good enough for a rich country like Australia. It is in large part a result of the decision by the LNP government under former Prime Minister Turnbull, when we had former Senator Fifield as our communications minister, to cruel the broadband plan that had been conceived and put in place and was beginning to be rolled out by the Australian Labor Party. We need to make sure that we've got more-affordable broadband in Australia and we need to make sure that we've got faster connectivity in this country.</para>
<para>Acting Deputy President Askew, I would ask that at the end of this debate the question on the second reading of the bills be divided. The Australian Greens support one of the bills but not the other, and we'd welcome the opportunity to vote on that basis.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>10:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on these two bills, the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019 and the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019. I will start by giving a shout out to a wonderful organisation called BIRRR—that is, Better Internet for Rural, Regional and Remote Australia. It is a group of very committed regional Queenslanders, in particular, although I know there are members outside Queensland. It was set up by Kristy Sparrow and Kylie Stretton, and the work that these two ladies and their members have done to advocate and push for better internet for those who live in I suppose the inner part of Australia—the rural, regional and remote parts of Australia—is just fantastic. More grease and more power to their elbows to continue advocating on behalf of Queenslanders, especially, who are as important as the rest of country, Madam Acting Deputy President Askew. I don't particularly care about the rest of the country; all I care about is Queensland. Please don't take it personally, for the quite a few Tasmanians in the room. We are the states' house and I'm here to represent my state.</para>
<para>These bills that we have before us today—</para>
<para>An opposition senator interjecting—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>No, no! This is just Senator McGrath standing up on behalf of regional Queenslanders and advocating for their interests, and I'm sure you'd all support me in fighting for regional Queenslanders and for all Queenslanders. It is important to set in context the space that we live in now, in terms of the wonderful thing called the internet: how it powers us, how it is driving business and enterprise and how it is driving how we look at life in terms of our recreation and our business. Twenty to 25 years ago, when I was at university, the internet wasn't a thing. Mobile phones really weren't a thing. But now they are a thing for everybody from toddlers—my nieces, Josephine and Sofia, are four years old and 15 months old, and the four-year-old is very adept at managing and iPad, scarily so, much more than I am—to those at the other end of the spectrum, such as my parents, who are in their 70s, who get cranky when they cannot access the internet and cannot access mobile phone coverage.</para>
<para>On the issue of mobile phone coverage, I don't like being particularly partisan in this place, but I will give a shout out to what the Liberal-National government has done on the issue of mobile phone black-spots. It is probably one of the best policies—certainly one of the top five policies—that this government has pushed for since it was elected in 2013. Previously, under the Labor government, there was no funding for mobile phone black-spots, but under the coalition government hundreds and hundreds of mobile phone black-spots around Australia have been remedied and fixed. I know someone whose office is on the Sunshine Coast, in the bustling town of Nambour but lives out on the Darling Downs, which is a good three hour and 20 minute drive from door to door. I know how important it is to have mobile phone coverage, and I have noticed the improvement in mobile phone coverage when I drive around Queensland. But there is still lots to do, and the government knows that. Only in the last couple of weeks the Liberal-National government announced a further round of funding for mobile phone black spots.</para>
<para>Too often some senators on the other benches don't appreciate the difficulty of those who live in regional parts of Australia. They probably—I don't want to be too negative—take for granted their own access, whether it's mobile phone coverage or the internet, because they do live in cities, whereas we on this side of the chamber are a diverse bunch. We are dispersed around our states and live what we talk about in terms of understanding the issues. I know that when I drive from Warwick to Stanthorpe I won't have mobile phone coverage during certain parts of the trip. When I drive to Brisbane, I go through a place called Cunninghams Gap, and I know there's no mobile phone coverage there. But it has improved dramatically since the election of the Liberal-National government back in 2013, and these two bills continue the reforms in this area.</para>
<para>It's important to put in context what the coalition inherited in relation to the NBN when we came into power in 2013. After six years of Labor, just 51,000 users were connected to the NBN. Effectively, one in 50 premises had actually been connected. We look at the achievement of this government in how we've pushed, reformed and built upon the NBN, because Labor's fibre-to-the-premise policy would have cost $30 billion more and taken six to eight years longer to complete. This is the NBN policy that former Senator Conroy, if this is to be believed—and I think it is if you think of Labor's approach to business plans and economic management—wrote on the back of a coaster. I understand it was a beer-stained coaster. Such was the disregard for the taxpayers of Australia, who would fund Labor's policy, and such was the disregard for the end users of Labor's NBN policy, the people of Australia. They were, in typical Labor fashion, promised this gold-plated elephant, but in fact, sadly, they were just delivered the scrapings-out from the elephant stables. Under Labor's policy, broadband bills would have increased by up to $43 per month. That's $500 a year. For Queenslanders, that's a lot of money.</para>
<para>Imagine if Labor had stayed in power or, God forbid, if Bill Shorten had won the last election. Just imagine the dire state the Australian economy would have been in as we approached the coronavirus. One of the reasons that the national cabinet and the Prime Minister have been able to focus on saving lives and protecting livelihoods is the economic management of the Liberal and National parties. Those on the other side probably don't really give a good old hoot about economic management, because it's something that other people worry about. But to fund policies like the NBN and ensure that we have the infrastructure to take Australia forward, whether in calm waters or in stormy waters, you need to make sure that you have sensible economic policies and a sensible, sober approach to how the economy and the budget are run. You cannot keep on spending, because you need to make sure you have money in the bank and the debt is paid down for when storms come up, as they have—the most serious storm to hit Australia in a hundred years.</para>
<para>So that's why it's a concern when we talk about the NBN and when we look at the different parties' approach to the internet and to telecommunications. On this side, we took an evidence based approach. We looked at how it could be funded. We looked at what could be best achieved for the taxpayers of Australia, who are funding it—thank you, Mr and Mrs Taxpayer—but also the end users. Too often we forget about the end users—sorry, too often those in the other parties forget about the end users. They just see them as collateral or people who might be swayed by glitzy election policies.</para>
<para>I go back to what was happening when we came into power in 2013. Labor had paid $6 billion for the NBN to pass just three per cent of premises in Australia. The rollout was very poorly managed. Contractors downed tools and stopped construction in four states. Under Labor, the NBN missed every rollout target it set for itself. Under the leadership of the Liberal-National coalition, the NBN rollout is on schedule and on budget, and the government is rolling out better broadband across Australia in the fastest and most affordable way so Australians can get access to fast broadband sooner, at a price they can afford.</para>
<para>This has particularly hit home over the last couple of months since the coronavirus epidemic came to Australia, with the lockdown that has been imposed by the various premiers under the leadership of the national cabinet, because so many Australians, including senators of all colours in this chamber, have been working from home, dealing with boisterous members of their families and dealing with the broader issues of trying to get on with the job and access broadband internet and telecommunications. We've really come to terms with how the internet has become such a life form for many Australians that, if it were switched off, they would have difficulty operating. That is, I suppose, a reflection upon modern society. It is important to have a government like the Liberal-National government that can deliver the internet, because that's what the end consumers want, and that's what the NBN has been able to do. Research by a company called AlphaBeta shows Australia has one of the most affordable markets for broadband; we are ranked seventh for affordability out of 22 countries analysed. The NBN helped drive over $1 billion worth of additional economic activity in 2017.</para>
<para>More women are becoming their own bosses with the NBN. I go back to the shout-out I gave to BIRRR, to Kristy and Kylie; Kristy, who I know personally, lives on a station near Alpha in Queensland. This is important in terms of the empowerment Australians can receive from being able to access the internet, so that the disparity between those who live in the city and those who live in regional Queensland is on par in terms of access to information and access to modern society. These two bills are a small part in helping progress that.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BILYK</name>
    <name.id>HZB</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In regard to the previous speaker: I don't think I've heard so much of what you might find in a paddock with a herd of cows in a long time, but let me know!</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Colbeck interjecting—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BILYK</name>
    <name.id>HZB</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm not talking about grass, just to be clear, Senator Colbeck; I'm talking about the excrement from the dairy herd. Talk about a rewrite of history—I mean, fair dinkum! I don't know where those opposite come off sometimes.</para>
<para>I spoke about these bills, the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019 and the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019, in the previous parliament. But the government let them lapse, so here we are debating them yet again. This third-term Liberal government's handling of the rollout of the NBN has been, we know, a disaster. Mr Abbott gave the then opposition communications spokesperson, Malcolm Turnbull, the job of destroying the NBN. Well, I will give credit where credit is due: Mr Turnbull and the current Liberal government have done a great job carrying out those instructions. They promised to deliver the NBN for $29.5 billion, and it has now cost $51 billion. They promised everyone would have access to minimum speeds of 25 megabits per second by 2016—a goal they certainly missed. They also promised the multitechnology mix would be faster and cheaper; instead, it has been slower and more expensive. The end result is that there are many premises on the fibre-to-the-node network that cannot even get speeds of 25 megabits per second. That's particularly so in regional areas, where the speeds are often considerably lower than promised—especially in the evenings and during other peak times.</para>
<para>This government have spent $50 billion on a network that cannot even deliver the minimum speeds they promised. It goes to show the lack of foresight of this government. Instead of building a network for the future, they built a network from the past—which is where a lot of them like to live. They could not see that Australia's internet demand would rise into the future. Now we've come to the pointy end. The COVID-19 crisis has seen a massive increase in demand for data over the NBN. In cities and regional areas across Australia, including in our home state of Tasmania—I note there are four Tasmanian senators in this chamber at the moment—demand for data has spiked. A figure reported in the media in April showed that data demand in March increased by more than 70 to 80 per cent during daytime hours compared to figures calculated at the end of February. In just a month, demand jumped by 80 per cent. This government did not have the vision to see that a modern national broadband network would have to deal with significant amounts of video calls, video streaming, access to cloud services and applications. This government did not have the vision to see there would be events that would put a sudden strain on the network.</para>
<para>Labor's plan was for a futureproof, fibre-to-the-premises rollout for nearly all Australians. But the government recklessly destroyed that plan, simply because Labor had proposed it. They made a number of hacks—utilising infrastructure that should have been retired, reworking copper not fit for task and overcrowding the fixed-wireless network—leading to more congestion, slower speeds and, ironically, higher cost over the long term. It is people in regional Australia who are bearing the burden of this government's ineptitude—the people who the Nationals have again failed to represent. We have recently discovered that this government cut $200 million in funding from the regional fixed-wireless network. Worse still, NBN Co tried to conceal that this had occurred and then tried to deny it once they were caught out. I'm sure the Nationals in this chamber are thrilled to know that once again their government, their partners, didn't stand up for regional Australia.</para>
<para>The fixed-wireless network is an important component of the NBN and was always part of Labor's plan for a small proportion of Australians. However, this government and NBN Co claimed they would be delivering 100-megabit-per-second speeds. Now they can only guarantee a minimum of six megabits per second. Recently we heard NBN Co touting the benefits of 100-megabit-per-second speeds. Yes, 100-megabit-per-second speeds would be wonderful. Most of my constituents would be ecstatic to get such speeds. It's just a pity that only one in four premises on the fibre-to-the-node network can actually access those speeds—only one in four, a quarter.</para>
<para>The copper, the last section from the node to people's homes, is just not up to the task. It's like driving from Hobart to Launceston, only to get out of your car in Perth, just south of Hobart, and bike the rest of the way; copper was never designed to carry this kind of network. We've seen the cost of remediating the copper network blow out by $600 million. Wasn't this meant to be cheaper? The cost of building the HFC network has blown out by billions. It has been slower and more expensive to deploy than fibre to the premises. This, too, was a technology choice that was meant to be cheaper.</para>
<para>The NBN was meant to be a new kind of technology for Australia. When the then Labor government decided to build a national broadband network, it did so with the aim of extending universal broadband coverage to regional and remote Australia. This was an important initiative, a true Labor reform, and one of which we remain very proud. But, instead, this government cut corners and tried to patch up the old copper and paper over the cracks. As my dad used to say, 'You should have just done it right the first time.' But the government decided that a dodgy con-job of a network was better than letting Labor take credit for a truly 21st-century fibre network.</para>
<para>The end result of this government's incompetence and its petty politics is the bill we are debating today, a bill to introduce the government's broadband tax—a broadband tax being introduced in the name of regional funding, while cutting regional investment at the same time. Rather than investing in the regions, the government is using this tax revenue to offset cost blowouts in HFC technology deployed in the inner-city areas. This is the same HFC technology, the rollout of which had to be halted because the service was not reliable.</para>
<para>The costs of this network have blown out for the fourth year in a row. It's no secret that the Liberals did not want the NBN satellites to be launched. They mocked the idea that NBN Co would own and launch its own satellites. Under the original fibre plan, the regional rollout was fully cost recovered. Under the multi-technology mix, the NBN has cost more to build, costs more to operate and delivers slower and less reliable speeds. Furthermore, the MTM will require future upgrades that were not necessary under the original fibre plan.</para>
<para>This decision to extend high-speed broadband to unprofitable areas was funded through a universal wholesale pricing regime, and, as it stands, the internal cross-subsidy Labor established amounts to more than $700 million per annum. This meant ABN revenues from services provided in the cities and suburbs would help cross-subsidise higher cost services delivered over wireless and satellites in the region. There was no contemplation of a broadband levy and an internal cross-subsidy; it was one of the other, not both. Yet now the government wants to have both, and the reason for this is quite clear. Since this levy was first formulated, the cost for the fixed wireless and satellite network has not changed. The cost is effectively what was forecast. The key change has been the abandonment of fibre to the premises on the pretence that Australia would get a much cheaper, albeit inferior, multi-technology mix. Instead, we have a more expensive, $51 billion multi-technology mix that does less than the original plan. This inferior multi-technology mix, according to NBN Co's own analysis, will cost $200 million more per annum to maintain and operate, and generates $3 million less in revenue relative to a fibre-to-the-premises network. That is a $500 million per annum earnings gap. To put it another way, because of the decision by the Liberal Party to abandon a fibre NBN, in place, for copper and HFC, Australian taxpayers are up to $500 million worse off every year. That is a staggering figure, and this is the reason why the government needs to implement this additional tax. The copper NBN looks increasingly exposed to competition from 5G. A full-fibre network would have been upgradable as technology improved and able to better compete with emerging wireless technologies now and into the future.</para>
<para>The coalition's 2013 election commitment to deliver the NBN for $29.5 billion and complete it by 2016 is nothing short of a very cruel hoax. The cost of the NBN project increased from $29.5 billion to $51 billion, with a completion date of 2020. As it stands, the NBN is $20 billion over budget and four years behind what the Liberals promised.</para>
<para>This bill proposes to apply a new broadband levy of $7.10 per month on households and businesses connected to a non-NBN network. This will add at least $84 to the annual bill of up to 500,000 residential and business services. The government even wanted to allow its levy to increase to $10 a month. The broadband tax proposed by the Morrison government is both poorly designed and highly regrettable. It has been criticised by the ACCC and the Productivity Commission, and it is disappointing that prior to the 2013 election the Liberals encouraged other companies to deploy networks and compete directly against the NBN, in the full knowledge that this would undercut the NBN business model.</para>
<para>Labor is committed to a sustainable funding arrangement to support and improve NBN services in regional Australia. There is no substitute for a first-class fibre NBN, with sound, long-term economics to support a sustainable funding mechanism. These failures of the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government have placed pressure on the economics of the NBN, and it's appropriate to ensure there is a level playing field.</para>
<para>One effect of this broadband levy is that it introduces a price signal that will deter inefficient duplication of the NBN infrastructure and deter cherry-picking of profitable parts of the NBN footprint. Fixed-line operators currently competing in areas the NBN Co intends to service, or those who are considering deploying infrastructure to compete directly with NBN Co down the track, must understand they would be required to make a proportional contribution to support the obligation NBN Co has to service the regions. NBN Co has a unique obligation to service parts of the country that are unprofitable to serve.</para>
<para>Labor supports the establishment of a statutory infrastructure provider regime outlined in the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019. This will provide additional certainty that, as we move beyond the initial NBN rollout, every Australian home and small business can continue to access a high-speed broadband connection. This is a natural extension of the arrangements Labor put in place nearly 10 years ago through a statement of expectations issued to the NBN Co board. The statement of expectations required NBN Co to make high-speed broadband available to all Australians, regardless of where they live or work. That has happened, and this bill provides certainty that it will continue to happen.</para>
<para>After more than a decade in power, John Howard and his allies in the National Party had left Australia in a broadband backwater. It was Labor that established the principle that all Australians should have access to modern telecommunications infrastructure, and it was Labor that established the National Broadband Network to put this principle into practice. Universal broadband access is a Labor initiative and a Labor achievement, but the Liberals tried to stop it. It was only through the perseverance of the Labor Party and the Australian people that those Luddites opposite were forced to accept a national broadband network as a reality.</para>
<para>Labor will not oppose these bills in this chamber. There were much better and more efficient ways to achieve the government's aims than the bill that is currently before the house, but the government's incompetence and lack of vision have left us in the mess we are in. Regional Australians know that, when it comes to broadband, only Labor will be there to consistently deliver on their behalf. They know that, despite their public relations spin, the Liberals and the Nationals have sold them out time and time again. They voted against universal broadband. They overcrowded the fixed wireless towers so they could skimp on the cost. Just recently they cut $200 million in funding from the regional fixed wireless network. And they didn't even want to launch the satellites. Universal broadband in Australia is an achievement of the Labor Party and the will of the Australian people. As we have done for over a decade, we will continue to put consumers and the regions front and centre of our policymaking.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019 and the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019. As we've heard, these bills work in conjunction with each other to do two key things. They legislate certainty that all premises in Australia can continue to access high-speed broadband infrastructure beyond the NBN rollout. This obligation already exists, but this gives it certainty, and Labor supports this. The bills also introduce a telecommunications levy that will add $7 per month to the bills of households and businesses on non-NBN networks. While highly critical of the lack of vision by various coalition governments that have led to this situation, Labor will not oppose this levy.</para>
<para>Labor supports legislating a universal right to broadband access, as this was the principle that we first established when the NBN was announced. So we support the establishment of a statutory infrastructure provider regime as is outlined in the bill. It will provide improved certainty that, as we move beyond the initial NBN rollout, every Australian home and small business can continue to access high-speed broadband connection. Labor in government established the National Broadband Network to bring this principle to reality. Universal broadband access is a Labor concept and a Labor achievement that the Liberals tried to prevent at every turn. It took them many years to come to the party and sign up to the principle of universal access, but, in the end, they had no choice. It is the only reasonable approach in a modern Australia with a modern economy.</para>
<para>The NBN, a game-changing national infrastructure project for the 21st century and possibly beyond—that was the vision of the Labor government after winning the 2007 election, the vision of a connected nation able to embrace technology, communicate from remote and regional areas through to high density urban areas, able to do business in new ways, able to teach and learn in new ways, able to interact with the rest of the world in new ways. Try, if you can, to imagine what the last six weeks of COVID-19 crisis would have been like without the NBN: all those Zoom and FaceTime and Skype meetings, all those precious family connections online, all the Zoom conferences, meetings and lectures with literally hundreds in attendance, all those businesses that were able to quickly and innovatively jump online and develop online shops, services and home delivery, the telehealth consultations—most important at this time—and whole television and radio programs that could not have happened without the vision of a connected Australia. Every Labor representative from then and now, and all the workers that are still working daily to connect homes and businesses, deserve our thanks for pursuing that vision.</para>
<para>Now we must turn to the so-called levy. First up, let's call it for what it is. It's a tax. It's a new tax—a new tax from a Prime Minister and Treasurer who've stood up in parliament many times to claim that the coalition does not put up taxes. It is a $7 per month tax on internet services that will impact up to 500,000 residential and business services, some of them consumers and first home buyers in regional Australia.</para>
<para>The government claims they're doing this in the name of regional Australia, but this is a long way from the truth. Let's be sure to remember that the Liberals initially opposed the NBN satellite and ridiculed the idea of the company owning and operating it. They congratulated themselves for oversubscribing the NBN fixed wireless networks, which led to congestion in some areas. Further, in October 2019, it was revealed that shareholder ministers had quietly signed off on a $200 million reduction in investment for a regional fixed wireless network relative to the previous corporate plan. So this government is introducing a broadband tax in the name of regional funding, while reducing regional investment at the same time—an extraordinary contradiction. This bill proposes to apply this new levy on households and businesses connected to non-NBN networks—a poorly designed and highly regrettable tax that has been criticised by the ACCC and the Productivity Commission.</para>
<para>In 2009, the then Labor government decided to build a national broadband network that would extend universal coverage of broadband to regional and remote Australia. This decision to extend high-speed broadband to unprofitable areas was funded through the universal wholesale pricing regime. This internal cross-subsidy amounts to more than $700 million per annum. This meant that NBN revenues from services provided in the cities and suburbs would help cross-subsidise higher cost services delivered over wireless and satellites in the regions. There was no contemplation of having a broadband levy and an internal cross-subsidy. Yet now the government wants to have both. Why the change? The key change has been the abandonment of fibre, on the pretence that Australia would get a much cheaper, albeit inferior, multitechnology mix. But we haven't. We have a more expensive, $51 billion, multitechnology mix that unfortunately cost more and does less than the original plan. These older technologies, according to NBN Co's own analysis, cost $200 million more per annum to maintain and operate, and generate $300 million less in revenue relative to a fibre to the premises network. So there is a $500 million per annum earnings gap—a staggering figure.</para>
<para>Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull decided to spend $51 billion on a technologically and economically inferior NBN that cost more and does less. The NBN is $20 billion over budget and four years behind what the Liberals promised to deliver. Prior to the 2013 election Malcolm Turnbull and the current Minister for Communications encouraged other companies to deploy networks and compete directly against the NBN with full knowledge this would undercut the NBN business model. They set out to sabotage the NBN and now want to introduce a tax to protect themselves against what they began.</para>
<para>The irony is that the minister now wants to increase prices for Australians who are on those competing networks that he once encouraged, some of which are in the regions themselves. However, we of the Labor Party must have the decency to talk straight on this issue. The reality has placed further pressures on the economics of the NBN. Therefore, while the levy is regrettable, Labor will not oppose it because it would undermine the economics of the NBN. We are committed to a sustainable funding arrangement to support and improve NBN services in regional Australia.</para>
<para>We do have a Labor amendment to the bill, which seeks to do two things. Firstly, on the topic of the modelling underpinning the charge, there does remain scope to improve transparency around the charge level and there is broad agreement that the modelling undertaken in 2015 is based on inputs that are no longer accurate and could readily be updated. The government has had two years to update the model but declined to do so. It should also be noted that recommendation 18 of the NBN joint standing committee was that the model be updated in late 2018. This recommendation was agreed by government members, Labor and the crossbench. It was never acted upon. The legislation we are now debating is based on work performed half a decade ago when the NBN fixed wireless and satellite network rollouts were still in their infancy. Today the fixed wireless and satellite networks are largely complete. The real-world costs are better understood.</para>
<para>It was not Labor's preference to deal with this matter through a legislative amendment but, given that the government is not inclined to act, this was the next step that was available. Therefore, Labor will introduce an amendment to require the levy modelling to be updated and a report produced within 150 days. The responsibility for this task will be placed in the hands of the ACCC. The purpose of the proposed report is to provide updated costings using the same model and methodology that was developed by the Bureau of Communications Research while taking into account changes to inputs and assumptions that have occurred since that amount was first determined. This is not a complex exercise given that the model has already been developed and data is available to update it. To provide greater insight into what proportion of the levy charge derives from sunk costs and what proportion derives from forecast future costs, the amendment proposes that the report also provide broken down estimates for historical losses, future losses and total expected net losses.</para>
<para>The other aspect of the ALP amendment is to improve NBN rollout data on the national map website. This builds on an existing ALP amendment to make rollout data available on the national map, which has subsequently been incorporated into this bill. In closing, Labor supports the SIP scheme and welcomes its passage. There are aspects of the levy which are regrettable but we do not want to undermine the economics of NBN. We will support this package and hope our amendments receive the report of the Senate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019 and the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019 implement a comprehensive three-part package to improve the regulatory framework for the supply of high-speed broadband. These bills will significantly improve the provision of high-speed broadband in Australia through the following three measures: firstly, by making carrier separation rules for high-speed residential networks more effective but also more flexible, and giving carriers greater scope to invest in superfast networks and also to compete; secondly, by introducing new statutory infrastructure provider obligations on the NBN Co, and also others, to support the ongoing delivery of high-speed broadband services; and, thirdly, by establishing the Regional Broadband Scheme to provide transparent and equitable long-term funding for NBN Co satellite and fixed wireless networks that mainly serve our regional areas.</para>
<para>The government's historic telecommunications reform package ensures all Australians are able to participate and share in the social and economic benefits of one of our nation's largest infrastructure projects. Consumers will benefit from the statutory infrastructure provider measures, which ensure all Australians can access high-speed quality internet services. The rules set out baseline standards for these services: peak download speeds of at least 25 megabits per second and peak upload speeds of at least five megabits per second. These services also need to support voice communications on fixed line and also fixed wireless services.</para>
<para>In combination with the statutory infrastructure provider regime the Regional Broadband Scheme will provide the certainty that regional Australians want and deserve—that essential affordable broadband services will be available to them and will remain available to them in the future. The Regional Broadband Scheme will level the playing field by spreading the cost of Australia's investment in regional broadband services equitably across the NBN Co and also NBN compatible networks. It will do that by requiring all carriers to pay $7.10 per month for each premise on their network with a high-speed fixed line broadband service. The charge is capped at $7.10, indexed to CPI, to provide more regulatory and investment certainty but also to support market competition. The telecommunications reform package strengthens competition and it also seeks to ensure equitable access. The government's proposed amendments to the telecommunications legislation amendment bill would update the commencement of statutory infrastructure provider standards and rules in light of the passage of time. These instruments can be used to fine-tune the operation of the statutory infrastructure provider provisions.</para>
<para>The government's amendments to the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019 would also change the designated start date for the Regional Broadband Scheme to 1 January 2021, instead of 1 July, following royal assent. This recognises the impact of COVID-19 on the telecommunications industry, and it will also provide certainty to carriers and regulators about when their obligations under the scheme commence. The government accepts the amendments proposed by the opposition to the Regional Broadband Scheme on the basis that they will provide an opportunity for the ACCC to review the modelling for the scheme prior to its commencement and will also improve the transparency of public rollout information. The government's complementary amendment also makes sure that the ACCC will have access to current information from carriers as an input to its report. These amendments do not impact on the government's original policy intent for this legislation.</para>
<para>I also take this opportunity to respond on behalf of the government to the Senate Environment and Communications Legislation Committee's recommendations and the comments of the opposition senators, and I note that they recommended that the package be passed by the parliament. First of all, in relation to the issue raised on enhanced transparency of the NBN Co's funding arrangements, the government recognises the importance of providing a high level of transparency over the funding arrangements for NBN Co's fixed wireless and satellite networks and also of the NBN Co's expenditure on these networks. To this end, the bill contains a number of provisions to ensure transparency in the operation of the Regional Broadband Scheme and in the use of funds raised under the scheme by the NBN Co. Proposed new section 102ZB will impose mandatory annual public reporting requirements on the Australian Communications and Media Authority to report the total amount of charge payments received. There will also be electronic registers for the contracts and grants for the funding of fixed wireless broadband and satellite broadband, which will provide comprehensive details of the contracts and also the grants awarded under section 80.</para>
<para>The telecommunications legislation amendment bill also included the power for the secretary of the department to specify terms and conditions in the contract or grants to eligible funding recipients, such as NBN Co, established under section 80. Under section 87 the minister has the power to make rules by legislative instrument for the secretary to comply with in relation to the performance of their functions or the exercise of their powers. This could include requirements to improve transparency. These rules are also subject to parliamentary scrutiny and to disallowance. In the interest of further enhancing transparency of NBN Co's funding arrangements, in line with the committee's recommendation, the government also intends to use the existing provisions in section 87 of the bill to require NBN Co to provide ongoing public reporting on its expenditure on its fixed wireless and satellite networks. This will allow for increased scrutiny, by the parliament and by the Australian public, of expenditure by the NBN Co of moneys raised under the scheme.</para>
<para>Secondly, in relation to the comments on the Regional Broadband Scheme costings, the government does support updating the costings for the Regional Broadband Scheme. The government notes that the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charges Bill 2019 requires the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission to review the charge at least once every five years and provide advice to the minister on the setting of charges for the Regional Broadband Scheme. The government would support requesting the ACCC to commence a broader review of the costings for the Regional Broadband Scheme soon after commencement of the scheme, with the aim of providing advice to the minister on the cost component of the charge.</para>
<para>Thirdly, in relation to the committee comment on the proposal to delay commencement of the Regional Broadband Scheme, the government does recognise that carriers need time to prepare to implement the Regional Broadband Scheme charge, given the impact of COVID-19 on the telecommunications industry. For this reason, the government is of the view that commencement of the scheme should be deferred by six months, as I've already stated, to 1 January next year.</para>
<para>Lastly, in relation to the comments recommending the government develop a road map for how the universal service obligation, or USO, and the Regional Broadband Scheme can be consolidated and harmonised over time. This is work that the government already has underway. In fact, the government's decision in 2017 to establish a universal service guarantee, or USG, which provides for the sustainable and legislated delivery of voice, payphone and broadband services across Australia for the first time, is actually all about integrating and guaranteeing these services over time.</para>
<para>In conclusion, the government has indicated it will continue to work with industry and consumers on the way to improve the USG over time. This remains our intention and this is what we are doing. The telecommunications reform package is a big win for consumers. That is why the bills are so strongly supported by consumer groups and regional stakeholders. That support includes the National Farmers' Federation, the Regional, Rural and Remote Communications Coalition, the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network, the Royal Flying Doctor Service, the National Rural Health Alliance and many other regional stakeholder groups. These bills are also a win for industry, with more opportunities for competition at both the network and the retail level.</para>
<para>On behalf of the Minister for Communications, Cyber Safety and the Arts and the government, I would like to thank members of the opposition and also the crossbench for their very constructive engagement throughout the process and for their support of these bills. These important reforms ensure that all Australians will have access to affordable, high-speed and quality internet services, which they need to fully participate in the digital society. I commend these bills to the Senate.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I've been asked to put the question on these two bills separately. The first question is that the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019 be read a second time.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is now that the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019 be read a second time.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Mr President, I simply ask that the Greens position in opposition to this bill be recorded.</para>
<para>Bills read a second time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>24</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Rearrangement</title>
          <page.no>24</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I would like to inform the Senate that later today it is the government's intention to table a sitting calendar for the remainder of this year. Given that, I would ask the Senate to consider deferring consideration of general business notices of motion 561 and 575 until a later hour today, but I make a commitment on behalf of the government that, after we have tabled and initiated this sitting calendar for the remainder of the year, if any senator still wishes to proceed with either of those motions, the government will be giving leave for that to be considered at that time.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I will make that observation when we are at that point.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Consideration of Legislation</title>
          <page.no>24</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) government business orders of the day as shown on today's <inline font-style="italic">Order of Business</inline> be exempted from the cut off as required, and considered from 12.45 pm today; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) government business be called on after consideration of the bills listed in paragraph (a) and considered till not later than 2 pm today.</para></quote>
<para>I also table statements of reasons justifying the need for the bills to be considered during these sittings and seek leave to have the statements incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The statements read as follows—</inline></para>
<para>DEFENCE LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (MISCELLANEOUS MEASURES) BILL 2020</para>
<quote><para class="block">Purpose of the Bill</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Defence Legislation Amendment (Miscellaneous Measures) Bill 2020 (the Bill) is designed to improve access to the Defence Home Ownership Assistant Scheme and the Australian Defence Force (ADF) Superannuation scheme.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reasons for Urgency</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill contains two schedules that will:</para></quote>
<list>amend the <inline font-style="italic">Defence Home Ownership Assistance Scheme Act 2008</inline> to extend the time to apply for a subsidy certificate from two years to five years for former members; and</list>
<list>amend the <inline font-style="italic">Australian Defence Force Superannuation Act 2015</inline> to allow eligible former members to continue to contribute to ADF Super.</list>
<quote><para class="block">As part of the Government's 2019 election commitment, the Bill will make some small but significant changes to Defence legislation that will benefit some 5,500 ADF members who transition each year.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These changes will ensure members and their families have sufficient time to carefully consider their options after leaving the ADF, without being rushed into pursuing a home for fear of losing their entitlement to the subsidy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">These changes will also afford members the option of remaining in the same superannuation fund after leaving the ADF, making their transition process easier and seamless. This is consistent with similar changes that have been made to the Public Sector Superannuation Accumulation Plan for Australian Government employees.</para></quote>
<para>HEALTH INSURANCE AMENDMENT (GENERAL PRACTITIONERS AND QUALITY ASSURANCE) BILL 2020</para>
<quote><para class="block">Purpose of the Bill</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill simplifies Medicare administrative processes for recognition as a specialist general practitioner (GP) for Medicare purposes under the <inline font-style="italic">Health Insurance Act 1973 </inline>(HI Act) and will align Medicare eligibility for GPs with the National Registration and Accreditation Scheme (NRAS) registration requirements which were introduced in 2010<inline font-style="italic">.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The HI Act provides multiple pathways for recognising GPs for Medicare billing purposes. The Bill will create a single streamlined pathway for recognition by removing the requirement for GPs to submit a separate application to the Services Australia for GP specialist recognition. Services Australia will utilise daily registration data feeds from the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (Ahpra).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill also makes a minor but important technical change to in relation to the Commonwealth Qualified Privilege Scheme by removing references to repealed legislation in relation to the definition of a quality assurance activity. The change will ensure that activities declared on or after 1 July 2009 are taken to have been valid declarations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reasons for Urgency</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Passage in this sitting period provides an opportunity to resolve a long term duplicative administrative process for GPs to access higher Medicare rebates as soon as they achieve specialist recognition.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Stakeholders (such as Australian Medical Association, the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners and the Australian College of Rural and Remote Medicine) are aware of the Bill and have notified their members that they may be required to take action to ensure they continue to access higher Medicare rebates under the new administrative process. Passage in this sitting period would be consistent with their expectation that the issue would be resolved in the first half of 2020.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">If the Bill is not dealt with in this sitting period, the Government will work with stakeholders to revise the timetable for transition to the new administrative process.</para></quote>
<para>THERAPEUTIC GOODS AMENDMENT (2020 MEASURES NO. 1) BILL 2020</para>
<quote><para class="block">Purpose of the Bill</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill aims to reduce delays for Australians in accessing new medical devices and promising new medicines, improves understanding about what is required for successful applications for marketing approval for new prescription medicines and encourages innovation for assessed listed medicines.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reasons for Urgency</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It is desirable for this Bill to be passed in the 2020 Winter Sittings to implement a range of measures that support the health and well-being of Australians and to provide predictability for the medicines and medical device industry.</para></quote>
<para>TREASURY LAWS AMENDMENT (2020 MEASURES NO. 1) BILL 2020</para>
<quote><para class="block">Purpose of the Bill</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The purpose of this bill is to:</para></quote>
<list>extend the definition of a Significant Global Entity to include groups headed by non‑disclosing proprietary companies, partnerships or trusts, correcting an omission and also a loophole limiting the Tax Commissioner's ability to make a determination that an entity is a Significant Global Entity; and</list>
<list>make permanent the current capital gains tax relief for merging superannuation funds contained in Division 310 of the <inline font-style="italic">Income Tax Assessment Act 1997</inline> that expires on 1 July 2020.</list>
<quote><para class="block">Reasons for Urgency</para></quote>
<list>The legislation that applies to a Significant Global Entity will apply to financial years on or after 1 July 2019. To provide certainty to taxpayers legislation needs to be passed as soon as possible.</list>
<list>If not implemented, the relief for merging superannuation funds which is available since December 2008 would lapse on 1 July 2020. As a result, inefficient funds which do not have sufficient scale, and which have higher fees and lower returns, may be unable to merge or exit the industry where negative tax consequences to members outweigh the potential benefits of merging. This is likely to result in some members having lower retirement incomes.</list>
<quote><para class="block">Uncertainty regarding the status of the measure may also stymie merger discussions with underperforming funds at a time when there is public agreement that fund performance needs to be lifted to deliver better outcomes for members, with merger being a key pathway to achieve this outcome.</para></quote>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>25</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Postponement</title>
          <page.no>25</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I remind senators that the question may be put on any proposal at the request of any senator. There being none, we will proceed.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Presentation</title>
          <page.no>25</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>27</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Rearrangement</title>
          <page.no>27</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That general business motion 591 be considered during general business today.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Leave of Absence</title>
          <page.no>27</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That Senator Seselja be granted leave of absence for yesterday, 13 May 2020, for personal reasons.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>27</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Selection of Bills Committee</title>
          <page.no>27</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Report</title>
            <page.no>27</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the fourth report of 2020 of the Selection of Bills Committee. I seek leave to have the report incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The report read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">SELECTION OF BILLS COMMITTEE</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">REPORT NO. 4 OF 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">1. The committee met in private session on Wednesday, 13 May 2020 at 7.25pm.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2. The committee recommends that—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) contingent upon introduction in the House of Representatives, the <inline font-style="italic">provisions </inline>of the Migration Amendment (Prohibiting Items in Immigration Detention Facilities) Bill 2020 be <inline font-style="italic">referred immediately </inline>to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee for inquiry and report by 5 August 2020 (see appendix 1 for a statement of reasons for referral).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">3. The committee recommends that the following bills <inline font-style="italic">not </inline>be referred to committees:</para></quote>
<list>Aged Care Legislation Amendment (Emergency Leave) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Amendment Bill 2020</list>
<list>Export Control Legislation Amendment (Certification of Narcotic Exports) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Health Insurance Amendment (General Practitioners and Quality Assurance) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Privacy Amendment (Public Health Contact Information) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (International Production Orders) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Treasury Laws Amendment (More Flexible Superannuation) Bill 2020.</list>
<quote><para class="block">4.   The committee deferred consideration of the following bills to its next meeting:</para></quote>
<list>Aboriginal Land Rights (Northern Territory) Amendment (Jabiru) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Aged Care Legislation Amendment (Improved Home Care Payment Administration No. 1) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Air Services Amendment Bill 2018</list>
<list>Australian Education Legislation Amendment (Prohibiting the Indoctrination of Children) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Australian Prudential Regulation Authority Amendment (APRA Industry Funding) Bill 2020</list>
<quote><para class="block">Authorised Deposit-taking Institutions Supervisory Levy Imposition Amendment Bill 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Authorised Non-operating Holding Companies Supervisory Levy Imposition Amendment Bill 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">General Insurance Supervisory Levy Imposition Amendment Bill 2020 Life Insurance Supervisory Levy Imposition Amendment Bill 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Retirement Savings Account Providers Supervisory Levy Imposition Amendment Bill 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Superannuation Supervisory Levy Imposition Amendment Bill 2020</para></quote>
<list>Aviation Legislation Amendment (Liability and Insurance) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Banking Amendment (Deposits) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Constitution Alteration (Freedom of Expression and Freedom of the Press) 2019</list>
<list>Customs Amendment (Safer Cladding) Bill 2019</list>
<list>Discrimination Free Schools Bill 2018</list>
<list>Fair Work Amendment (COVID-19) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Galilee Basin (Coal Prohibition) Bill 2018</list>
<list>Governor-General Amendment (Cessation of Allowances in the Public Interest) Bill 2019</list>
<list>Great Australian Bight Environment Protection Bill 2019</list>
<list>Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Amendment (Coronavirus Economic Response Package) Bill 2020</list>
<list>National Skills Commissioner Bill 2020</list>
<list>Norfolk Island Amendment (Supreme Court) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Payment Times Reporting Bill 2020</list>
<quote><para class="block">Payment Times Reporting (Consequential Amendments) Bill 2020</para></quote>
<list>Primary Industries (Customs) Charges Amendment (Dairy Cattle Export Charge) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Product Stewardship (Oil) Amendment Bill 2020 Excise Tariff Amendment Bill 2020</list>
<list>Regional Forest Agreements Legislation (Repeal) Bill 2017</list>
<list>Services Australia Governance Amendment Bill 2020</list>
<list>Social Services and Other Legislation Amendment (Omnibus) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Social Services Legislation Amendment (Better Targeting Student Payments) Bill 2019</list>
<list>Social Services Legislation Amendment (Ending the Poverty Trap) Bill 2018</list>
<list>Social Services Legislation Amendment (Payment Integrity) Bill 2019</list>
<list>Treasury Laws Amendment (2020 Measures No. 2) Bill 2020</list>
<list>Veterans' Affairs Legislation Amendment (Supporting the Wellbeing of Veterans and Their Families) Bill 2020.</list>
<quote><para class="block">(Dean Smith)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Chair</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">14 May 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Appendix 1</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">SELECTION OF BILLS COMMITTEE</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Proposal to refer a bill to a committee:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Name of bill:Migration Amendment (ProhibitingItemsinImmigrationDetention Facilities) Bill 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reasons for referral/principal issues for consideration: Banning of items in administrative detention. This is a legacy bill that the Govt left on the notice paper for years. There is a very high likelihood there will be changes to the legislation, which will need substantial reconsideration by committee.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible submissions or evidence from: Law Council, Refugee and Asylum Seeker groups</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Committee to which bill is to be referred: Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible hearing date(s):</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">To be determined by the Committee</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible reporting date:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">5 August 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(signed)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Anne Urquhart</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">SELECTION OF BILLS COMMITTEE</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Proposal to refer a bill to a committee:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> Name of bill: <inline font-style="italic">Migration Amendment (Prohibiting Items in Immigration Detention Facilities)</inline> <inline font-style="italic"> Bill 2020</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> Reasons for referral/principal issues for consideration: concerns regarding human rights, and rights of the child (will provide for: prohibition of items in immigration detention facilities; searches without warrants; extra screening and seizure powers; and use of dogs for screening and searching detainees),</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> Possible submissions or evidence from: Human Rights Law Centre; Human Rights Watch; Law Council of Australia; Civil Liberties Australia; Australian Lawyers Alliance; Kaldor Centre for International Refugee Law; Asylum Seeker Resource Centre; Refugee Council of Australia; Asylum Seeker Resource Centre; Peter McMullin Centre on Statelessness</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> Committee to which bill is to be referred: Legal & Constitutional Affairs</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> Possible hearing date(s): 8-9 July 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible reporting date: 6 August 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(signed)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Rachel Siewert</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">SELECTION OF BILLS COMMITTEE</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Proposal to refer a bill to a committee:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Name of bill: <inline font-style="italic">Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Amendment Bill 2020</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reasons for referral/prin cipal issues for consideration: concerns regarding human rights, and rights of the child (will provide for the apprehension and interrogation of 14 year olds under <inline font-style="italic">AS/0 </inline>Act).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possibl e submissions or evidence from: Human Rights Law Centre; Human Rights Watch; Law Council of Australia; Civil Liberties Australia; Australian Lawyers Alliance; Child Rights Taskforce; Child Rights Australia</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Committee t o which bill is to be referred: Legal & Constitutional Affairs</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible hearing date(s): 24-25 June 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible reporting date: 23 August 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(signed)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Rachel Siewert</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">SELECTION OF BILLS COMMITTEE</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Proposal to refer a bill to a committee:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Name of bill: <inline font-style="italic">Telecommunications Legislation Amendment {International</inline>  <inline font-style="italic">Production Orders) Bill 2020</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Reasons for referral/principal issues for consideration: concerns regarding human rights, and digital rights (amends the <inline font-style="italic">Telecommunications {Interception and Access) Act </inline>1979)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible submissions or evidence from: Human Rights Law Centre; Human Rights Watch; Law Council of Australia; Civil Liberties Australia; Australian Lawyers Alliance; Digital Rights Watch; Electronic Frontiers Australia; the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network; Australasian Legal Information Institute; Australian Privacy Foundation</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Committee to which bill is to be referred: Legal & Constitutional Affairs</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible hearing date( s): 11-12 June 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Possible reporting date: 9 July 2020</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(signed)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Senator Rachel Siewert</para></quote>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<para>That the report be adopted.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee</title>
          <page.no>29</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reference</title>
            <page.no>29</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the following matter be referred to the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee for inquiry and report by 26 November 2020:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Issues facing diaspora communities in Australia, with particular reference to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) support offered to diaspora community associations and similar organisations, including government grants and other funding;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) safety concerns among diaspora communities, and means for strengthening the protection and resilience of vulnerable groups;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) barriers to the full participation of diaspora communities in Australia's democratic and social institutions, and mechanisms for addressing these barriers;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) opportunities to strengthen communication and partnerships between government and diaspora communities in Australia; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) any related matters.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government provides support to and engages with all Australians, including multicultural communities. More than 1,700 multicultural communities engagements occurred in April alone. The minister has regular meetings with key leaders of multicultural communities across the country.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>REGULATIONS AND DETERMINATIONS</title>
        <page.no>30</page.no>
        <type>REGULATIONS AND DETERMINATIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Fair Work Amendment (Variation of Enterprise Agreements) Regulations 2020</title>
          <page.no>30</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Disallowance</title>
            <page.no>30</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Before moving business of the Senate notice of motion No. 4, I wish to inform the chamber that Senators Patrick will also sponsor the motion. I, and also on behalf of Senators Farrell and all other opposition senators, and Senators Lambie, Faruqi, Siewert and Patrick, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Fair Work Amendment (Variation of Enterprise Agreements) Regulations 2020, made under the Fair Work Act 2009, be disallowed [F2020L00432].</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>This regulation amends the formal access period applicable to a variation for an enterprise agreement to allow flexibility to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic. Employees retain the right to vote on any proposal. An agreement varied in this way must still pass the better-off-overall test, and the Fair Work Commission must still be satisfied that the variation was genuinely agreed. The government has not been made aware of any instances of misuse and has in any case committed to review the operation of the regulation in coming weeks to ensure this continues to be the case.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that business of the Senate motion No. 4 be agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
            <division.header>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [11:55]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
              </body>
            </division.header>
            <division.data>
              <ayes>
                <num.votes>29</num.votes>
                <title>AYES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Ayres, T</name>
                  <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                  <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                  <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                  <name>Ciccone, R</name>
                  <name>Farrell, D</name>
                  <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                  <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                  <name>Gallagher, KR</name>
                  <name>Griff, S</name>
                  <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                  <name>Kitching, K</name>
                  <name>Lambie, J</name>
                  <name>Lines, S</name>
                  <name>McAllister, J</name>
                  <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                  <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                  <name>O'Neill, D</name>
                  <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                  <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                  <name>Rice, J</name>
                  <name>Sheldon, A</name>
                  <name>Siewert, R</name>
                  <name>Smith, M</name>
                  <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                  <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                  <name>Watt, M</name>
                  <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
                  <name>Wong, P</name>
                </names>
              </ayes>
              <noes>
                <num.votes>30</num.votes>
                <title>NOES</title>
                <names>
                  <name>Antic, A</name>
                  <name>Askew, W</name>
                  <name>Birmingham, SJ</name>
                  <name>Bragg, A J</name>
                  <name>Brockman, S</name>
                  <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                  <name>Chandler, C</name>
                  <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                  <name>Cormann, M</name>
                  <name>Davey, P</name>
                  <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                  <name>Hanson, P</name>
                  <name>Henderson, SM</name>
                  <name>Hughes, H</name>
                  <name>Hume, J</name>
                  <name>McDonald, S</name>
                  <name>McGrath, J</name>
                  <name>McMahon, S</name>
                  <name>O'Sullivan, MA</name>
                  <name>Paterson, J</name>
                  <name>Payne, MA</name>
                  <name>Rennick, G</name>
                  <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                  <name>Roberts, M</name>
                  <name>Ruston, A</name>
                  <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                  <name>Scarr, P</name>
                  <name>Seselja, Z</name>
                  <name>Smith, DA (teller)</name>
                  <name>Van, D</name>
                </names>
              </noes>
              <pairs>
                <num.votes>0</num.votes>
                <title>PAIRS</title>
                <names></names>
              </pairs>
            </division.data>
            <division.result>
              <body>
                <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
              </body>
            </division.result>
          </division></subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>31</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Building and Construction Industry</title>
          <page.no>31</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CICCONE</name>
    <name.id>281503</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) that the construction industry has reported a substantial fall in activity as a consequence of the COVID-19 pandemic,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) that homelessness has increased over the past decade, levels of housing stress have risen and that housing is less affordable and less secure than ever before,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iii) the role social housing plays in addressing homelessness and housing stress, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iv) that housing construction can make a significant contribution to Australia's post-COVID-19 economic recovery while at the same time improve access for all Australians to more affordable and secure housing; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on the Morrison Government to work in partnership with state and local governments, the housing industry, social housing and homelessness organisations, and any other relevant expert to develop and co-fund a national plan that will:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) provide secure employment opportunities for construction workers and tradespeople, to ensure the long-term viability of the construction industry,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) renew and refurbish existing social housing stock, to ensure current social housing tenants can stay safe and healthy in their homes, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iii) invest in new social housing to help reduce levels of homelessness and housing stress in Australia</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Housing is primarily the responsibility of state and territory governments, but the Morrison coalition government works closely in partnership with states and territories, contributing $6 billion a year to improving housing and homelessness outcomes for all Australians. The coalition's National Housing Finance and Investment Corporation's affordable housing bond aggregator has delivered more than $1.3 billion of housing loans, supporting the delivery of more than 1,500 new social and affordable dwellings and refinancing a further 5,000 existing dwellings.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The Greens support this motion. We have been strongly pushing for a massive investment from the federal government to build 500,000 public and community homes to provide much-needed roofs over people's heads. The COVID-19 crisis has exposed even more how broken our housing system is. It's time for the federal government to lead from the front with a multibillion-dollar investment to construct high-quality, climate-conscious public and community housing as part of the economic stimulus. This will also create tens of thousands of thousands of jobs and thousands of apprenticeships. Housing is a human right, and everyone should have a place to call home.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>11:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The construction industry is continuing. We in One Nation have been discussing with unions and also with others how best to respond. We are aware that there must be a finite limit on extra spending, because we represent not just people who are looking for support but also the people who are paying for the support, the taxpayers. We will not be supporting this motion, because we are protecting the taxpayers in an industry that is already continuing.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>JobKeeper Payment</title>
          <page.no>32</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHELDON</name>
    <name.id>168275</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I wish to inform the chamber that Senator Brown will also sponsor the motion. I, and also on behalf of Senators Gallacher, Bilyk, Chisholm, Sterle, Marielle Smith and Brown, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) in 2018, the Government approved the sale of Qantas' catering business to Dnata, an in-flight catering company which is part of the Emirates group, owned by the Government of Dubai,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) Dnata employs 6000 workers every year at nine Australian airports, most of whom previously worked for Qantas' catering business,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iii) workers at Dnata are Australians who have worked in the Australian aviation industry their whole working lives,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iv) since the grounding of flights due to the COVID-19 pandemic most workers at Dnata have been asked to work as a skeleton crew,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(v) when Prime Minister Morrison, and Treasurer Frydenberg announced JobKeeper, the Treasurer said: "Australians know that their government has their back",</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(vi) on May 1, 2020 the Government, without consulting businesses or workers, changed the rules of the JobKeeper program to exclude companies including Dnata,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(vii) on May 4, 2020, 5500 Australian workers at Dnata were told they were no longer eligible for JobKeeper payments due to the changes made by the Federal Government, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(viii) every cent of the Job Keeper payment goes to the workers who need it – the money would not go to the foreign-owned company;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) recognises that workers at Dnata do not choose who owns the company they work for; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) calls on the Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) honour its commitment to Australian workers and demonstrate that it "has their back", no matter who owns their company; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) reverse the rule that excludes the 5500 workers at Dnata from JobKeeper payments.</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that motion No. 550 be agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Whish-Wilson</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On a point of order, can I ask why we're taking four minutes for divisions and not one minutes?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Because of the extensive pairing arrangements, the whips have asked for four minutes. We are doing that over the course of this week. Normally I can insist on a one-minute division but, given the extensive pairing arrangements, I'm in the hands of the Senate.</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Cormann interjecting—</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Cormann is correct. An accident in the pairing arrangements, spacing requirements, would end up taking more time. I'm in the hands of the whips on it.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [12:05]<br />(The President—Hon. Scott Ryan)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>28</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Ayres, T</name>
                <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                <name>Ciccone, R</name>
                <name>Farrell, D</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                <name>Gallagher, KR</name>
                <name>Griff, S</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                <name>Kitching, K</name>
                <name>Lambie, J</name>
                <name>McAllister, J</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                <name>O'Neill, D</name>
                <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                <name>Rice, J</name>
                <name>Sheldon, A</name>
                <name>Siewert, R</name>
                <name>Smith, M</name>
                <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                <name>Walsh, J</name>
                <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                <name>Watt, M</name>
                <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>28</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Askew, W</name>
                <name>Birmingham, SJ</name>
                <name>Bragg, A J</name>
                <name>Brockman, S</name>
                <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                <name>Chandler, C</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                <name>Cormann, M</name>
                <name>Davey, P</name>
                <name>Hanson, P</name>
                <name>Henderson, SM</name>
                <name>Hughes, H</name>
                <name>Hume, J</name>
                <name>McDonald, S</name>
                <name>McGrath, J</name>
                <name>McMahon, S</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, MA</name>
                <name>Paterson, J</name>
                <name>Payne, MA</name>
                <name>Rennick, G</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                <name>Roberts, M</name>
                <name>Ruston, A</name>
                <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                <name>Scarr, P</name>
                <name>Seselja, Z</name>
                <name>Smith, DA (teller)</name>
                <name>Van, D</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names></names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Superannuation</title>
          <page.no>33</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator McAllister, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) our superannuation system is a significant national achievement of which all Australians can be proud, and is the difference between poverty and a decent retirement for most people,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the consequences of someone taking $20,000 out of their superannuation now can be very significant at retirement, especially for young people, and for women, who already retire with around half the superannuation of men, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) during this period, adequate Government support should be provided so that accessing superannuation is a last resort, not a first port of call for people in hardship;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) reaffirms its commitment to Australia's world-class superannuation system;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) recognises that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) serious flaws in the Government's early release superannuation program have resulted in fraud, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) despite warnings, including from Labor and the superannuation industry, the Government failed to take sufficient action to address these flaws, designing a system about speed not accuracy, costing individuals thousands of dollars; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) calls on the Assistant Minister for Superannuation, Financial Services and Financial Technology (Senator Hume) to provide a full explanation of the measures the Government is taking to protect the integrity of our superannuation system and to ensure no further fraud takes place.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Last week measures designed to protect the integrity of the early access to superannuation scheme helped detect a small amount of fraudulent activity associated with the program. This matter is currently under investigation by the Australian Federal Police. This program is supporting Australians through the coronavirus crisis. As of the 11 May, around 1. 4 million applications were approved by the Australian tax office for early release of superannuation, representing around $11.5 billion.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [12:13]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>30</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Ayres, T</name>
                <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                <name>Ciccone, R</name>
                <name>Farrell, D</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                <name>Gallagher, KR</name>
                <name>Griff, S</name>
                <name>Hanson, P</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                <name>Kitching, K</name>
                <name>Lambie, J</name>
                <name>McAllister, J</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                <name>O'Neill, D</name>
                <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                <name>Rice, J</name>
                <name>Roberts, M</name>
                <name>Sheldon, A</name>
                <name>Siewert, R</name>
                <name>Smith, M</name>
                <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                <name>Walsh, J</name>
                <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                <name>Watt, M</name>
                <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>26</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Askew, W</name>
                <name>Birmingham, SJ</name>
                <name>Bragg, A J</name>
                <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                <name>Chandler, C</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                <name>Cormann, M</name>
                <name>Davey, P</name>
                <name>Henderson, SM</name>
                <name>Hughes, H</name>
                <name>Hume, J</name>
                <name>McDonald, S</name>
                <name>McGrath, J</name>
                <name>McKenzie, B</name>
                <name>McMahon, S</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, MA</name>
                <name>Paterson, J</name>
                <name>Payne, MA</name>
                <name>Rennick, G</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                <name>Ruston, A</name>
                <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                <name>Scarr, P</name>
                <name>Seselja, Z</name>
                <name>Smith, DA (teller)</name>
                <name>Van, D</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names></names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question agreed to.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Returned and Services League of Western Australia</title>
          <page.no>34</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) acknowledges the following Western Australians who received RSLWA Branch Life Membership, and 50 Year Certificates on 25 April 2020, for their devoted service to RSLWA:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) life membership: Mr Ian Brook, City of Rockingham Sub-Branch; Mr Stephen Chamarette, Highgate Sub-Branch; Mr Fred Doust, Boyup Brook Sub-Branch; Mr Daryl Ikin, Joondalup City Sub-Branch; Mr Constantine Kikeros, Three Springs Arrino Sub-Branch; Mr Oliver Lovelle, Mount Lawley-Inglewood Sub-Branch; Lieutenant Colonel John Pronk, Dawesville Sub-Branch; Mrs Donna Prytulak OAM, Northam Sub-Branch; Mr Doug Rasmussen, Joondalup City Sub-Branch; Mr Ian Raymond, Riverton Sub-Branch; Colonel Geoff Simpson OAM, Highgate Sub-Branch; Mr Mark Weldon, City of Rockingham Sub-Branch; and Mr David Spillman, Kwinana Sub-Branch</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) 50 year service: Mr Rodney Hill, Capel Sub-Branch; Mr Owen McClements, Claremont Sub-Branch; Mr Terrence Healy, North Beach Sub-Branch; Mr Robert Gilmour, City of Rockingham Sub-Branch; and Mr Geoffrey Pope, North Beach Sub-Branch,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) acknowledges the recipient of the ANZAC of the Year Award, Retired Army Lance Corporal Mr David Scott of Highgate Sub-Branch, for his exceptional contribution to RSL Australia, veterans in Western Australia and the broader community; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) notes that all these members of the Western Australian community have made a significant contribution to RSL Australia, RSLWA and RSL Sub-Branches.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australia-United States of America Relationship: 80th Anniversary</title>
          <page.no>34</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I ask that the names of Senators Seselja, Van and Keneally be added as co-sponsors of the motion. I, and also on behalf of Senators Askew, Seselja, Van and Keneally, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) acknowledges that this year marks the 80th anniversary of diplomatic relations between Australia and the United States of America;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) Australia and the United States established diplomatic relations on 8 January 1940,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) Australia's first Ambassador to the United States, Mr Norman J O Makin, presented his credentials to the US Government on 11 September 1946, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) the first US Ambassador to Australia, Mr Robert Butler, presented his credentials to the Australian Government on 25 September 1946;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) recognises the strong and enduring trade and investment relationship between our two nations, noting the following:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement (AUSFTA) which entered into force on 1 January 2005,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the United States is Australia's largest two-way investment partner, reaching $1.6 trillion in 2017, with two-way trade worth A$70.2 billion in 2017-18, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) over 10,000 Australian listed companies sell to or operate in the United States; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) recognises the strong and enduring security relationship between our two nations, noting the following:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) Australian and US forces have fought alongside each other in every significant conflict since World War I,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the US-Australian alliance is a key partnership for peace and stability in the Indo-Pacific region,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) US Marines are stationed in Darwin in Australia's north, and our defence force personnel are working together in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) Australian and US defence agencies signed a Joint Statement on Defence Cooperation in October 2015, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) in 2017, the United States and Australia participated in the seventh Talisman Saber, a biennial joint military exercise designed to ensure our defence forces can work together with the highest levels of interoperability.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a very short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's good to see the government recognising the importance of the Senate considering foreign policy motions at last. We oppose this motion but won't deny formality; we would rather put our position on the record. This motion celebrates that Australian and US forces have fought alongside each other in every significant conflict since World War I. The Greens think the US military alliance makes us less safe, not more. As we have long said, it's time for Australia to stop unquestioningly doing the bidding of the US and chart its own independent foreign policy course. The importance of this couldn't be more evident with the erratic and dangerous Trump as president, but it will continue to matter when he's out of the White House. Moreover, the Australian parliament must debate and vote on new military actions and deployments that put our servicemen and women in harm's way.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Korean War: 70th Anniversary</title>
          <page.no>35</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I, and also on behalf of Senator Askew, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that 25 June 1950 will mark the 70th Anniversary of the start of the Korean War;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) acknowledges:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the 70th anniversary of the Korean War is a significant milestone for the 225 surviving Korean War veterans in Western Australia, the 34 brave Western Australians who perished in the Korean War, and the 1,500 Western Australians who are since deceased, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the work of the Korean War Veterans Association for improving Western Australian's knowledge and understanding of the 'Forgotten War' under the stewardship of President Jinkil Lee;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) 24 April 2021 will mark the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Kapyong, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the Battle of Kapyong is known as one of the most significant and important battles for the 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (3 RAR); and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) acknowledges that the Battle of Kapyong was a decisive conflict in the Korean War, and that it is important to recognise the sacrifice of Australian soldiers, with 32 killed, 59 wounded and three imprisoned.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>New South Wales: Aviation</title>
          <page.no>36</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to amend general business notice of motion No. 569, standing in the names of Senators Keneally, Sheldon, McAllister, O'Neill and Ayres, in the terms circulated in the chamber.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senators Keneally, Sheldon, McAllister, O'Neill and Ayres, I move the motion as amended:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the management of transport security is critical to our national security and to regional communities in regional New South Wales,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) on 8 May 2018, the Morrison Government announced measures to "further strengthen Australia's domestic and international aviation security", which included the introduction of body scanners and improved luggage screening technology at airports,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) regional airlines servicing New South Wales have expressed concern that the cost of these upgrades will make regional airline services economically unviable,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee began public hearings into this matter on 7 May 2020,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) the Committee heard evidence that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (A) Armidale Regional Airport explained that the ongoing costs of airport security are "definitely a concern" for the airport, and these costs would be passed onto passengers,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (B) Regional Express Airlines said that the airline's profit margin is approximately $10 per passenger, and if the airline was required to pay security costs, they would no longer make a profit,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (C) Corporate Air said that the costs of security screening vary from as little as 87 cents per passenger in Sydney airport, and up to $19.80 at one of their regional locations, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (D) Corporate Air also said that evenly distributing security costs across the country, as occurs in New Zealand and the USA, could be a fairer model for regional communities</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vi) at the hearing, Department of Home Affairs officials told Senator Rennick that the Department had not modelled Corporate Air's suggestion of evenly distributing security costs across the country because "airport operations are for airports to manage",</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vii) Senator Rennick stated that "We're not talking about airports, we're talking about national security, right. And, you know, something that we've got to get sorted out here, because we just had it with the Ruby Princess. Okay, and I'm a member of the federal government, and it's our job to look after national security. So this sort of pushing it out on the private enterprise or rather sort of smaller, it just leads to confusion and ambiguous responsibilities as to who's responsible for what. So I think that we ought to take a good look at whether or not it's better for us to do a holistic national approach, rather than the piecemeal airport by airport, which is going to hurt a lot of airports in the region. And I think before, you know, any more changes in regulations or decisions are made, that we look at a national approach. Because if it's good enough for the US and New Zealand, I think it's something that we should also take a serious look at, I'll just leave it at that. Thanks",</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (viii) Senator Rennick is correct in saying that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (A) the Morrison Government is responsible for national security at our airports and seaports,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (B) the Morrison Government's current approach to national security has led to "confusion and ambiguous responsibilities as to who's responsible for what", and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (C) the Morrison Government's approach to regional aviation security will potentially "hurt a lot of airports in the region"</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) commends the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee for its' ongoing work in this area, and its long-standing history of representing rural and regional Australians on important policy issues; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) condemns the Morrison Government for its implementation of airport security upgrades to date, which are causing confusion and leading to the potential loss of airports, airline services, and jobs in regional New South Wales.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) calls on the Federal Government to reveal the deal that Nationals Senators struck with the Government, which, according to reports in <inline font-style="italic">The Guardian</inline>, secured "an eleventh hour change of heart about cost recovery … to ensure costs incurred by regional airports to implement improved security screening measures will not be passed on unfairly to regional travellers".</para></quote>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Keeping Australian communities safe from those who seek to do us harm is and will always be the Morrison government's No.1 priority. The Aviation Transport Security Amendment (Security Controlled Airports) Regulations 2019 delivers on the recommendations of the Inspector of Transport Security to strengthen security at Australia's airports, particularly those serving regional communities. Regional airports are being supported through the government's $50.1 million Regional Airport Security Screening Fund. The government has also announced more than $1.2 billion in funding to support the aviation industry keeping regional communities connected since 18 March 2020. These enhancements to regional aviation security and our commitment of funding to regional airlines and airports underscores the government's commitment to supporting regional communities and the aviation networks on which they depend.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Overseas Students</title>
          <page.no>37</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to amend general business notice of motion No. 571, standing in my name for today, in the terms circulated in the chamber.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I move the motion as amended:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) over 550,000 international students currently study in Australia, contributing immensely to our community and economy,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) many of these students are suffering enormous financial hardship at the moment due to unemployment, wage losses and instability during COVID-19,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) students have been forced to queue at food banks, live in cramped accommodation, and rely on the charity of others in order to eat and make ends meet,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) the government has excluded temporary visa holders, including international students, from federal income support, including Youth Allowance, JobSeeker, JobKeeper and the Coronavirus Supplement, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) the government has not provided any other form of financial relief or hardship package for international students, while almost all states and territories have; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on the government to provide a financial relief package for international students.</para></quote>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>There is an expectation, and there always has been, that temporary visitors to this country can look after themselves while they are here. As part of their visa applications, international students are required to demonstrate that they can support themselves completely in their first year. Students who have been here longer than 12 months who find themselves in financial hardship will be able to access their Australian superannuation. The government has also announced a $200 million boost to community services to expand support to people who need assistance paying bills and buying other essentials such as food, clothing and petrol. International students are protected against eviction from rental accommodation on the same basis as all Australians.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARUQI</name>
    <name.id>250362</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I would like the support of the Australian Greens for that motion to be recorded.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>So recorded.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I would like the support of the Australian Labor Party for that motion to be recorded.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>So recorded.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Temporary Visa Holders</title>
          <page.no>37</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Before moving general business notice of motion No. 573, I wish to inform the chamber that Senator McKim will also sponsor the motion. I, and also of behalf of Senator McKim, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) acknowledges that many thousands of temporary visa holders in Australia have lost jobs or experienced a substantial loss of income in recent weeks due to the Covid-19 crisis and have no Commonwealth safety-net to assist them;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) notes:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) according to Government figures, there are 2.17 million people presently in Australia on a temporary visa,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) temporary visa holders contribute significantly to the Australian economy,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) while some temporary visa holders have returned home to see out the pandemic, there are others for whom this has been impossible or unfeasible due to financial constraints and flight cancellations, or because they are asylum seekers on bridging visas, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) temporary visa holders are an important part of our economy and society, for example, there are over 8,000 skilled medical professionals on temporary visas supporting our health system right now; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) further notes that temporary skilled visa holders do not have access to the new JobKeeper and JobSeeker payments, even though employers may be anxious to retain them;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) commends State and Territory governments for filling in some of the gaps left by the Federal Government regarding temporary visa holders with their own initiatives including additional support for international students and emergency financial grants; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) calls on the Government to extend JobKeeper and JobSeeker to temporary migrants who are unable to return home in these extraordinary times.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government's $130 billion JobKeeper program provides unprecedented support to millions of Australians. Eligibility has been focused on maximising the reach of the JobKeeper program while ensuring the program is able to be implemented as quickly and efficiently as possible while remaining sustainable. There is and always has been an expectation that temporary visitors to this country can look after themselves while they're here. The government has announced changes which will see most temporary visa holders with work rights able to access up to $10,000 of their Australian superannuation to help them support themselves in this crisis. This includes students who have been here for more than a year, working holidaymakers and school visa holders. The government has also announced a $200 million boost to community services to expand support to people who may need it.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to move an amendment to general business notice of motion No. 573 moved by Senator Griff.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>At the request of Senator Keneally, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Omit paragraph (e), substitute:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) calls on the Government to extend JobKeeper or provide a financial relief package to temporary migrants who are unable to return home in these extraordinary times.</para></quote>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short one-minute statement.</para>
<para>Leave not granted.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question now is the notice of motion No. 573 moved by Senators Griff and McKim be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Medicine</title>
          <page.no>38</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the COVID 19 pandemic sweeping the world has placed significant strain on health care systems around the world,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the pandemic has also led to the promotion of a number of medically unproven therapies and in some cases dangerous medical advice,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) the specific promotion of the use of anti-rheumatic drug hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 by both the US President and Clive Palmer, where to date there has been little evidence of its effectiveness against the virus and significant evidence of severe side effects and increased risk of death at higher doses,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners has warned against viewing hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) a recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine found the drug did not offer any protection against COVID-19, either alone or given in combination with an antibiotic;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) acknowledges that Australians with rheumatoid arthritis, lupus and other painful inflammatory conditions are struggling to fill prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine because the promotion of the drug as a "cure" for COVID-19 has led to supply shortages leaving</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) recognises:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) there has been a surge in hydroxychloroquine imports since January with more than 6000 tablets of the prescription-only drug seized, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has warned that hydroxychloroquine poses serious risks to patients, including cardiac toxicity (potentially leading to sudden heart attacks), irreversible eye damage and severe depletion of blood sugar (potentially leading to coma); and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) calls on the Federal Government to ensure that the off-label prescription of hydroxychloroquine is strictly monitored by the TGA.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>NOTICES</title>
        <page.no>39</page.no>
        <type>NOTICES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Postponement</title>
          <page.no>39</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to defer notice of motion No. 575 standing in my name to the next sitting day.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>39</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Water for Fodder</title>
          <page.no>39</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>39</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to amend general business notice of motion No. 576 standing in my name for today proposing an order for the production of documents concerning the Water for Fodder program.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I move the motion as amended:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the Government announced a 100 gigalitre "Water for Fodder" program in November 2019 to provide 40 gigalitres of water in this water year for irrigation purposes;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) requires that these be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Minister for Resources, Water and Northern Australia on the first sitting day after July 1, 2020, a report into the outcome of the first delivery round of the Water for Fodder program – this should include, for successful applicants only:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) application identifier;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) address or land title reference;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) water applied for, water allocated and water delivered for each successful applicant;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) any reductions to delivery including conveyance loss; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) the irrigation authority responsible for delivery of each allocation. (<inline font-style="italic">general business notice of motion no.</inline><inline font-style="italic">576</inline>)</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>39</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia</title>
          <page.no>39</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Before moving general business notice of motion No. 577, I ask that the names of Senators Dean Smith and Wong be added to the sponsoring of this motion. I, and also on behalf of Senators Pratt, Dean Smith and Wong, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) on May 17 1990 the World Health Organization removed homosexuality from the Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) May 17 is now recognised as International Day against Homophobia, Biphobia, Intersexism and Transphobia (IDAHOBIT),</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) IDAHOBIT is an opportunity to celebrate LGBTIQ+ people, and acknowledge the ongoing discrimination that LGBTIQ+ people still face in Australia and overseas, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) LGBTIQ+ people around the world are facing unique challenges in the context of COVID-19; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on all parliamentarians to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) acknowledge the resilience and strength of LGBTIQ+ people, especially in these unprecedented times,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) affirm and celebrate the many and varied contributions of LGBTIQ+ people in Australia, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) condemn all forms of violence and discrimination against LGBTIQ+ people.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>40</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Sports Commission Amendment (Ensuring a Level Playing Field) Bill 2020</title>
          <page.no>40</page.no>
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        </subdebate.text><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>40</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<para>That the following bill be introduced: A Bill for an Act to amend the <inline font-style="italic">Australian Sports Commission Act 1989</inline>, and for related purposes. <inline font-style="italic">Australian Sports Commission Amendment (Ensuring a Level Playing Field) Bill 2020</inline>.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I present the bill and move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>40</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to table an explanatory memorandum relating to the bill.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I table an explanatory memorandum and I seek to have the second reading speech incorporated into <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">The Community Sport Infrastructure Grants program was launched on 2 August 2018. Former Minister for Sport Bridget McKenzie's media release said that "the Coalition Government's program would focus on projects that enhanced community connectivity through sport and promoted inclusive environments for all". Of course, that's not what it focussed on at all. We now know, through important work by independent auditors, reporting by the media, and pursuit by Senate scrutiny, that this was a politicised process.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) concluded that "the Minister's Office had commenced its own assessment process to identify which applications should be awarded funding. The Minister's Office drew upon considerations other than those identified in the program guidelines, such as the location of projects, and also applied considerations that were inconsistent with the published guidelines". In particular, the ANAO found this parallel process "drew upon considerations other than the assessment criteria, such as project locations including Coalition 'marginal' electorates and 'targeted' electorates".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It was a fundamentally dishonest process run by the former Minister. The City of Salisbury in Western Australia spent over 80 hours on its application, and was rated highly by the Australian Sports Commission, but was not successful. As a representative from the City of Salisbury said, "You have an expectation that those guidelines are being applied by the authority making the assessment, and on that basis you are either successful or unsuccessful."</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Coalition's failure of transparency didn't end with the original sports rort. Since then, the Coalition has repeatedly refused to provide key material that would provide a clear account of the issues in question. Transparency would help ensure that the public knows what happened in the administration of this program. It would help ensure that there is clear accountability. It would help give Australians confidence that their government is being honest and frank. Cynically refusing to answer questions can only undermine trust and confidence, at a time when that is more critical than ever.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Among the many documents that would help provide a clear account of the administration of this program are:</para></quote>
<list>the full Gaetjens report, commissioned by the Prime Minister before the resignation of the former Minister for Sport;</list>
<list>the letter from the Minister for Sport to the Prime Minister, sent on 10 April 2019;</list>
<list>the memorandum prepared by Senator McKenzie's advisor and referred to in her submission to the Inquiry being undertaken by the Select Committee on Administration of Sports Grants;</list>
<list>the advice requested from the Solicitor-General by the Attorney-General, in relation to the Minister for Sport's authority to direct the Australian Sports Commission; and</list>
<list>the communications from the Prime Minister's Office that resulted in changes to the funding allocation under the program.</list>
<quote><para class="block">This issue has already had an impact on communities. The Select Committee on Administration of Sports Grants has heard evidence from many of the applicants who missed out under this program. There is not enough time to mention all of them. Each of them is different, because they come from different communities, woven into the fabric of the lives they impact and support.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I would like to draw attention to one in particular, the submission by the East Gippsland Roller Derby:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">We are a club (and a sport) that has a focus on inclusion. We welcome people of all genders and ensure that LGBTQI+ people of all ages are included and valued in our club and activities … The majority of our skaters do not engage in other organised physical or social activities. Our club provides a home and a space to be welcomed for who you are … </inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Over a seven year period, Gippsland Ranges Roller Derby struggled to find a venue to operate our club and conduct our training from. We made 40+ separate enquiries each year since our inception and could not successfully secure a council or community provided space to train … We sought funds from a number of avenues to achieve our goals of renovation for safety, hygiene and use … </inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">There remains no explanation of why funds were awarded to applicants with considerably lower </inline> <inline font-style="italic">'</inline> <inline font-style="italic">gradings</inline> <inline font-style="italic">'</inline> <inline font-style="italic"> on applications, and for ten times the amount requested by our club. If the criteria and merit-based scoring are not relevant to the awarding of grants, it begs the question of why applicants need to perform against them.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">There are many more stories. Unfortunately there isn't time enough to tell them all. But this lack of funding has a real, and devastating, impact on our communities. Sadly, the communities that missed out under this program are the communities that have often been missing out for years—for decades. They are often also the communities where you have people that could really benefit from investment in community infrastructure.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As a councillor in the City of Maribyrnong, in a very safe seat, a decade ago my neighbours and my community were resigned to not receiving the funding for infrastructure our community needed. The Footscray pool was a really important community facility, but did not receive funding from the Commonwealth, and only a small portion of what was needed from the state government. Sadly, the Footscray pool was closed and the land sold off because government would not support them. Nothing has changed in the intervening years, in terms of communities not getting their fair share of support and funding because of politicised selection processes, when they don't live in marginal or targeted seats.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As well as the direct impact on communities, this has a devastating impact on our democracy. It tears at the trust that underpins our society, and it creates toxic distrust between government and the community. It is tragic that we have to restate this, but let me be clear about why this matters. A submission by the Accountability Round Table to the Senate Select Committee stated the obvious - that Members of Parliament:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">… must put the public interest above all others, including political party interests. This principle requires that all Members, and their staff, who act under their authority, should act solely in terms of the public interest, with integrity, objectivity and impartiality.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Breaches of this standard matter for our democracy. They matter for the norms that govern our political life. As Professor Stuart Kells said to the Select Committee:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">This episode shows that we can</inline> <inline font-style="italic">'</inline> <inline font-style="italic">t take for granted that people will adhere to what we think are established norms. Another established norm is that if you ask senior ministers about an important government grant program that has run off the rails they will answer the question. So we need to prosecute and protect those norms …</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">His colleague, Stuart Hamilton said:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">... at times like this, when we</inline> <inline font-style="italic">'</inline> <inline font-style="italic">re facing things such as the bushfires over the summer or the coronavirus, we need—we absolutely need—our communities to have trust in our governments so that we can have order and we don</inline> <inline font-style="italic">'</inline> <inline font-style="italic">t have chaos. I think that goes to the heart of what we</inline> <inline font-style="italic">'</inline> <inline font-style="italic">re really trying to make the point of here: we need to make sure that everybody in the whole chain, from prime ministers to the person building the playground in the local community, knows their job and is accountable for their job. I think that when that happens we</inline> <inline font-style="italic">'</inline> <inline font-style="italic">ll then have confidence and trust in organisations.</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Fundamentally, this Coalition's failure to act transparently has ripped apart at the fabric of trust and norms that binds our political democracy together. Their actions leave in their wake a toxic distrust that eats and corrodes at our ability to function effectively. Their actions have undermined their ability to govern effectively in the midst of a crisis, as we've seen with the low levels of trust and the impact they've had on the COVID-19 response.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">A clear, transparent accounting of this whole saga by the Coalition would be an important first step. It should include releasing all the documents they have hidden. It should include an apology, and making things right for those community groups that missed out. It would help restore trust, for them to acknowledge that they have clearly done the wrong thing by Australian community sports groups, and do the right thing. More than that, though, we need clear accountability. I want to acknowledge the important work of my colleague Senator Larissa Waters, and her very valuable contribution in passing a National Integrity Commission bill through this place.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Restoring that trust in institutions and public office is particularly important now, as we are in the midst of a global pandemic. Australia has had better outcomes than many other countries, and that is wonderful. But I want to acknowledge here that this has been a very costly period, for Australians around the country.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For the people who've lost loved ones to the disease.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For the families and communities where job losses have been devastating.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For the parents, families and carers who've been stretched to the limit looking after others.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For our LGBTIQ+ communities, who've shown such strength and resilience in facing down this multifaceted crisis, even though they're already facing significant challenges.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">For people in regional and remote areas, who haven't had the same services or easy access as people living in cities, and who've carried on, day after day, dealing with drought, bushfires, and now the pandemic.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This hasn't been easy. Sadly, there is a long road from here, in the work that has to be done.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Community sports have been devastated by the pandemic. More than 900 public swimming pools, 2,400 soccer clubs and 608 gymnastics centres have been closed due to the crisis. Those closures are appropriate, and necessary, but they will have a real impact in the long term. There is an enormous amount of rebuilding to be done; but here, this Bill offers a simple opportunity to make a difference.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Investment by government in community sport infrastructure can make a real difference. It can help create jobs, in communities that have been devastated by this virus. It can help create the sporting infrastructure that is so necessary, as we work towards a healthier society after this crisis. Funding these projects can make a real difference to the clubs that missed out. Most importantly, taking this small step will show that we can correct the Coalition's mistakes, and start to restore faith in institutions and integrity to our democracy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This is not enough; more scrutiny, more transparency, more accountability are needed. We must have transparency about this issue. But this Bill provides a clear step forward.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill empowers the Australian Sports Commission to fund those applications that it recommended, but that were not funded under the Minister's parallel process. The Commission will not be opening a new funding round, but re-examining those applications that were recommended but not funded, to ensure they are still eligible. There is a special provision to recognise that some clubs may have found other funding sources, and started construction—that won't be a barrier to them receiving funding for the work that's remaining.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">There is a transparency requirement, so that where Sport Australia doesn't provide funding, it must provide a reason to the recipient in writing.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Proposed subsection 57AA(8) specifically provides that the Minister will not interfere in this process.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">We've seen much larger government expenditure than we're used to as part of the COVID-19 crisis, an appropriate response to a global pandemic. By those standards, the amounts that these clubs have applied for is, even in aggregate, relatively small. But it makes a huge difference to those clubs, and their communities. This Bill can make a real difference; to help community sports groups, to help restore trust in our democracy, and to provide much-needed investment stimulus in the face of the pandemic.</para></quote>
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<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RICE</name>
    <name.id>155410</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>42</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Pensions and Benefits</title>
          <page.no>42</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I, and also on behalf of Senator Steele-John, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that Disability Support Pension and Carer Payment recipients did not receive the coronavirus supplement;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) acknowledges that people receiving the Disability Support Pension and Carer Payment receive up to $255.10 a fortnight less than someone on JobSeeker Payment with the coronavirus supplement;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) acknowledges that people on the Disability Support Pension and Carer Payment are also facing additional costs due to coronavirus that are not adequately met by the $750 economic stimulus payments; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) calls on the Government to provide a top-up payment to Disability Support Pension and Carer Payment recipients so that these payments are equal to the new rate of JobSeeker Payment.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:29</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The commissioner of Australian Border Force has very clearly outlined, including at the Senate Select Committee on COVID-19 hearing on 5 May, the Customs and Immigration roles and functions of the ABF at the border. Senator Keneally should know that. The Morrison government is getting on with the job of protecting Australians during this unprecedented crisis.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Keneally has an art of making immigration speeches that I admire. But, when it comes to understanding Australian Border Force, she needs to brush up on her facts. At the Senate Select Committee on COVID-19 hearing on 5 May 2020, the ABF commissioner clearly put on the record evidence which rejects part 1(b), 1(f)(iii) and 1(f)(iv) of Senator Keneally's motion. One Nation will not be supporting this distorted and misleading motion.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that motion 582 be agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<division>
          <division.header>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionPreamble">The Senate divided. [12:34]<br />(The President—Senator Ryan)</p>
            </body>
          </division.header>
          <division.data>
            <ayes>
              <num.votes>26</num.votes>
              <title>AYES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Ayres, T</name>
                <name>Bilyk, CL</name>
                <name>Carr, KJ</name>
                <name>Chisholm, A</name>
                <name>Ciccone, R</name>
                <name>Farrell, D</name>
                <name>Faruqi, M</name>
                <name>Gallacher, AM</name>
                <name>Gallagher, KR</name>
                <name>Hanson-Young, SC</name>
                <name>Kitching, K</name>
                <name>Lines, S</name>
                <name>McAllister, J</name>
                <name>McCarthy, M</name>
                <name>McKim, NJ</name>
                <name>O'Neill, D</name>
                <name>Pratt, LC</name>
                <name>Rice, J</name>
                <name>Sheldon, A</name>
                <name>Siewert, R</name>
                <name>Smith, M</name>
                <name>Urquhart, AE (teller)</name>
                <name>Walsh, J</name>
                <name>Waters, LJ</name>
                <name>Watt, M</name>
                <name>Whish-Wilson, PS</name>
              </names>
            </ayes>
            <noes>
              <num.votes>32</num.votes>
              <title>NOES</title>
              <names>
                <name>Antic, A</name>
                <name>Askew, W</name>
                <name>Birmingham, SJ</name>
                <name>Bragg, A J</name>
                <name>Brockman, S</name>
                <name>Canavan, MJ</name>
                <name>Chandler, C</name>
                <name>Colbeck, R</name>
                <name>Cormann, M</name>
                <name>Davey, P</name>
                <name>Fierravanti-Wells, C</name>
                <name>Griff, S</name>
                <name>Hanson, P</name>
                <name>Henderson, SM</name>
                <name>Hughes, H</name>
                <name>Hume, J</name>
                <name>McDonald, S</name>
                <name>McGrath, J</name>
                <name>McKenzie, B</name>
                <name>McMahon, S</name>
                <name>O'Sullivan, MA</name>
                <name>Paterson, J</name>
                <name>Patrick, RL</name>
                <name>Rennick, G</name>
                <name>Reynolds, L</name>
                <name>Roberts, M</name>
                <name>Ruston, A</name>
                <name>Ryan, SM</name>
                <name>Scarr, P</name>
                <name>Seselja, Z</name>
                <name>Smith, DA (teller)</name>
                <name>Van, D</name>
              </names>
            </noes>
            <pairs>
              <num.votes>0</num.votes>
              <title>PAIRS</title>
              <names></names>
            </pairs>
          </division.data>
          <division.result>
            <body>
              <p class="HPS-DivisionFooter">Question negatived.</p>
            </body>
          </division.result>
        </division></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Aviation Security</title>
          <page.no>43</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to amend general business motion of motion No. 583, standing in the names of Senators Watt, Chisholm and Green, relating to aviation security in Queensland.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator URQUHART</name>
    <name.id>231199</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I, and also on behalf of Senators Watt, Chisholm and Green, move the motion as amended in the terms circulated:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the management of transport security is critical to our national security and to regional communities in Queensland;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) on 8 May 2018, the Morrison Government announced measures to "further strengthen Australia's domestic and international aviation security", which included the introduction of body scanners and improved luggage screening technology at airports;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) regional airlines servicing Queensland have expressed concern that the cost of these upgrades will make regional airline services economically unviable;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee began public hearings into this matter on 7 May 2020;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) the Committee heard evidence that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (A) Regional Express Airlines said that the airline's profit margin is approximately $10 per passenger, and if the airline was required to pay security costs, they would no longer make a profit,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (B) Corporate Air said that the costs of security screening vary from as little as 87 cents per passenger in Sydney airport, up to $19.80 at one of their regional locations, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (C) Corporate Air also said that evenly distributing security costs across the country, as occurs in New Zealand and the USA, could be a fairer model for regional communities,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vi) at the hearing, Department of Home Affairs officials told Senator Rennick that the Department had not modelled Corporate Air's suggestion of evenly distributing security costs across the country because, "airport operations are for airports to manage.",</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (vii) Senator Rennick stated that "We're not talking about airports, we're talking about national security, right. And, you know, something that we've got to get sorted out here, because we just had it with the Ruby Princess. Okay, and I'm a member of the federal government, and it's our job to look after national security. So this sort of pushing it out on the private enterprise or rather sort of smaller, it just leads to confusion and ambiguous responsibilities as to who's responsible for what. So I think that we ought to take a good look at whether or not it's better for us to do a holistic national approach, rather than the piecemeal airport by airport, which is going to hurt a lot of airports in the region. And I think before, you know, any more changes in regulations or decisions are made, that we look at a national approach. Because if it's good enough for the US and New Zealand, I think it's something that we should also take a serious look at, I'll just leave it at that. Thanks",</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (viii) Senator Rennick is correct in saying that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (A) the Morrison Government is responsible for national security at our airports and seaports,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (B) the Morrison Government's current approach to national security has led to "confusion and ambiguous responsibilities as to who's responsible for what", and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (C) the Morrison Government's approach to regional aviation security will potentially "hurt a lot of airports in the region";</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) commends the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee for its' ongoing work in this area, and its long-standing history of representing rural and regional Australians on important policy issues; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) condemns the Morrison Government for its implementation of airport security upgrades to date, which are causing confusion and leading to the potential loss of airports, airline services, and jobs in regional Queensland. (<inline font-style="italic">general business notice of motion no.</inline><inline font-style="italic">583</inline>)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) calls on the Federal Government to reveal the deal that Nationals Senators struck with the Government, which, according to reports in <inline font-style="italic">The Guardian</inline>, secured "an eleventh hour change of heart about cost recovery… to ensure costs incurred by regional airports to implement improved security screening measures will not be passed on unfairly to regional travellers".</para></quote>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Keeping Australian communities safe from those who seek to do us harm is and will continue to be the Morrison government's No. 1 priority. The Aviation Transport Security Amendment (Security Controlled Airports) Regulations deliver on the recommendations of the Inspector of Transport Security to strengthen security at Australia's airports, and particularly those serving regional communities. Regional airports are being supported through the government's $50 million Regional Airport Security Screening Fund. The government has also announced more than $1.2 billion in funding to support the aviation industry, including keeping regional communities connected, since 18 March 2020. These enhancements to regional aviation security and our commitment to funding to regional airlines and airports underscore the government's commitment to supporting regional communities and the aviation networks on which they rely.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>45</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Hunting and Shooting</title>
          <page.no>45</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Before moving general business notice of motion No. 584, I ask that the name of Senator Stoker be added to the motion. I, and also on behalf of Senators McMahon, Canavan, McDonald, Davey and Stoker, move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) Australia's hunters and shooters contributed 2.4 billion to our economy in 2018, while recreational hunting made a net contribution of $335 million, adding 3,300 jobs,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) game hunting expenditure has created 2,383 jobs in the State of Victoria, 1,115 as a direct result of hunting expenditure and 1,268 of which were a result of flow-on effects (2013),</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iii) the economic impact of all hunting by game licence holders in Victoria is $177 million, with a flow-on impact of $262 million and a total impact of $439 million,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iv) regional communities have missed out on considerable revenue from hunting as a result of the summer bushfires and COVID-19 pandemic, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(v) hunters and shooters are more likely to meet sufficient physical activity requirements than the average Australian adult; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) condemns state Labor Governments for:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) Failing to recognise and respect the considerable social, economic and environmental benefits of hunting and shooting to communities across regional Australia, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) their bias and discriminatory decision to restrict firearm and ammunition sales using the COVID-19 pandemic as an excuse.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We'd like our position recorded on that motion; thank you.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It is so recorded.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Likewise, Mr President.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Likewise for the Greens.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like my support of the motion recorded.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Roberts would like his support of the motion recorded.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like the coalition government's decision recorded as well.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>You moved it, Senator McKenzie.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>45</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>National COVID-19 Coordination Commission and Manufacturing Working Group</title>
          <page.no>45</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>45</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(1) The Senate orders that there be laid on the table by the Minister representing the Prime Minister by no later than 5pm on 25 May 2020, the following documents relating to the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission and the associated Manufacturing Working Group:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) all agendas and minutes of meetings, including:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) evidence noting recusal of members from discussions,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) any advice provided by Members or Special Advisors, or sought by the Commission, regarding a conflict of interest or perceived conflict of interest of any Member or Special Advisor, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) any person attending the meetings;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) all documents outlining processes relating to the appointment of Members by the Government, including a list of any persons invited to be a Member who declined the invitation;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(c) details of any Special Advisors or other person appended to the Commission or Working Group appointed by the Government or the Commission;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(d) details of any payments made to Members or Special Advisors by the Government in relation to their involvement in the Commission or Working Group;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(e) all documents outlining shareholdings and financial interests of the Members or Special Advisors, including declarations made by Members;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(f) all documents outlining the process for managing conflicts of interest or perceived conflicts of interest for Members;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(g) all documents outlining the process for managing conflicts of interest or perceived conflicts of interest for Special Advisors or other persons appended to the Commission or Working Group;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(h) a list of all stakeholders that the Commission, Working Group or Special Advisors have met with; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) all documents relating to projects currently under consideration by the Commission, the Working Group or any Special Advisor;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) If the Senate is not sitting when the documents are ready for presentation, the documents are to be presented to the President under Standing Order 166;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) In the event the Minister fails to table the reports and correspondence, the Senate requires the Minister representing the Prime Minister to attend the Senate on the following sitting day, by no later than 10:15 am, to provide an explanation, of no more than 10 minutes, of the Government's failure to table the documents;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Any senator may move to take note of the explanation required by paragraph (3).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) Any motion under paragraph (4) may be debated for no longer than 60 minutes, shall have precedence over all government business until determined, and senators may speak to the motion for not more than 10 minutes each.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The National COVID-19 Coordination Commission is an important part of the government's response to this crisis and will help advise the government on actions to anticipate and mitigate the economic and social impacts of the pandemic. Transparency of matters relating to the crisis is important, which is why we supported the establishment of the Senate Select Committee on COVID-19 and are facilitating agencies and departments to appear before it. That committee is the appropriate mechanism to seek the information requested in this motion, and this is a significant duplication of the committee's work.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON</name>
    <name.id>BK6</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The response to the Chinese coronavirus by the Morrison government has at times been delayed but has, overall, kept the vast majority of Australians safe compared to other First World nations. While we appear to have suppressed the spread of the virus, its economic destruction continues and the risk of a second wave of infection is still not over. Until the Chief Medical Officer declares Australia is rid of COVID-19, I won't support the Greens motion to go on a witch hunt. One Nation will not support the motion.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I record that the Australian Greens and the Labor Party supported that motion, as well as Senator Lambie and Centre Alliance. By exclusion, everyone else voted against it.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>46</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Middle East</title>
          <page.no>46</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I ask that general business notice of motion No. 586, standing in my name for today, relating to Palestine, be taken as a formal motion.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Is there any objection to this motion being taken as formal?</para>
<para>An honourable senator: Yes.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>There is an objection, so formality is denied.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>In lieu of suspending standing orders, I seek leave to make a very short statement.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>It's disappointing that once again the government have denied leave on this important motion, especially after bringing their own foreign policy motion on. Tomorrow, 15 May, is the day that Palestinians and their friends commemorate the Nakba, and now is a particularly critical time for Israel and Palestine and Palestinian human rights. Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu are undermining a two-state solution that could deliver peace and security to the Israelis and Palestinians. Netanyahu is intending to unilaterally implement parts of Trump's so-called peace plan and annex large swathes of the West Bank. It's time for Australia to speak up. We must oppose any illegal annexation and make it clear that there will be serious diplomatic consequences should it occur, just as there have been for other illegal annexations of territory.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank the Senate. I note that this motion refers, in part, to annexation plans by the Israeli government, and I want to make a short statement in respect of that component. Labor notes the Israeli government's stated intention to consider annexation of land in the West Bank after 1 July. Unilateral annexation of the West Bank would weaken the viability of any future Palestinian state and risk destabilising Israel's neighbours—a risk the world cannot afford. Labor continues to support a just and durable two-state solution to the conflict and encourages both parties to pursue direct negotiations to that end. We continue to call on both sides to refrain from any actions that hamper peaceful outcomes for both the Israeli and the Palestinian peoples.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>In line with the government's longstanding view, motions that cannot be debated or amended should not deal with complex foreign policy matters. Successive Australian governments have recognised that a future Palestinian state is a final status issue to be negotiated directly between Israel and the Palestinians. We remain a supporter of a two-state solution where a Palestinian state exists alongside Israel in peace and harmony, within internationally recognised borders. Successive Australian governments have called on all parties to the conflict between the Palestinians and Israel to refrain from provocative actions that raise tensions or undermine the prospects of peace.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Wildlife</title>
          <page.no>47</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HANSON-YOUNG</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(i) the science is well established on the link between wildlife consumption and the transfer of zoonotic diseases, such as Coronavirus, to humans,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(ii) closing wildlife markets will not be enough to prevent future pandemics like COVID-19; it must be accompanied by an end to the trade of wildlife for consumption and other purposes,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iii) ending the trade of wildlife would not only help keep the global community safe from future pandemics but also help protect the world's precious wildlife for future generations,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(iv) wildlife trade impacts biodiversity, can cause diseases to be transferred between other wildlife species putting them at risk, drives poaching and trafficking and ultimately fuels the extinction crisis around the world, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(v) the G20 meets in November and will focus on the global response to the pandemic; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on the Federal Government to advocate for a global ban on the trade of wildlife.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short statement.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Leave is granted for one minute.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The government has called on the international community to acknowledge the risk associated with wildlife wet markets and to take action to protect human health and agricultural industries. Australia's Chief Veterinary Officer, as President of the World Organisation for Animal Health, is seeking to deliver global reforms to wildlife wet markets to minimise the associated risks, or to phase them out where practical. This approach will reduce the risk of future pandemics and their subsequent far-reaching impacts while sustaining desirable global food security outcomes. Australia has some of the strictest wildlife trade rules in the world and is a signatory to the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, resulting in over 1,000 species being prohibited from trade for commercial purposes.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Hanson-Young</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd like clarification as to what the opposition's position on that motion was.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm afraid that's not a matter for the chamber. You can ask them, but I called it for the no.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Hanson-Young</name>
    <name.id>I0U</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I would like the Greens support to be recorded and for those who voted no to be recorded.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The standing orders and <inline font-style="italic">Practice</inline> allow you to have your position and the Greens position recorded. I called it for the no—others will need to extrapolate from that. Or it can be debated at some other point.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
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    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>48</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Defence Legislation Amendment (Miscellaneous Measures) Bill 2020</title>
          <page.no>48</page.no>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>48</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>48</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator RUSTON</name>
    <name.id>243273</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in Hansard.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">I am pleased to introduce the Defence Legislation Amendment (Miscellaneous Measures) Bill 2020.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill demonstrates the commitment this Government makes to put veterans and their families first and to assist veterans transitioning from military to civilian life.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As part of the Government's election commitments, this Bill will amend the Defence Home Ownership Assistance Scheme Act 2008 to extend access to the Defence Home Ownership Assistance Scheme from two years to five years after a member leaves the Australian Defence Force. The Bill will also amend the Australian Defence Force Superannuation Act 2015 to clarify that former ADF members to continue to make contributions to their ADF Super accounts. These amendments will mean better outcomes for veterans and their families.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 1 of the Bill will amend the Defence Home Ownership Assistance Scheme Act 2008. This Scheme is designed toassist current and former ADF members and their families who choose to purchase a home of their own to live in by providing a subsidy.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">It recognises the additional difficulties ADF members and their families have in purchasing a home due to the nature of their service.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">At present, a veteran generally has access to the Scheme within two years of leaving the ADF. The amendments in this Bill will extend the time after a veteran leaves the ADF when they can apply for a subsidy certificate to five years. The extension of two years to five years will assist veterans transitioning to civilian life by allowing additional time to look for suitable accommodation before applying and accessing the Scheme.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The current two-year limitation is not always enough time for veterans and their families, and this change seeks to ensure they carefully consider their options after leaving the ADF, without being rushed into purchasing a home for fear of losing their entitlement to the subsidy. This will benefit the some 5,500 ADF members who leave each year.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 2 of the Bill will amend the Australian Defence Force Superannuation Act 2015 to clarify that when an ADF member leaves the ADF, they can continue to make contributions to their ADF Super account.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Australian Defence Force Superannuation Act 2015 introduced a new superannuation scheme for ADF members from 1 July 2016. This scheme is an accumulation fund, and Defence makes contributions for Permanent ADF members and Reserve members rendering continuous full-time service who are ADF Super members at 16.4 per cent of their salary.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">At present, when a veteran leaves the ADF, they can no longer make contributions to ADF Super. Any superannuation contributions from a subsequent civilian employer, for example, must be made to a different superannuation fund.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill will clarify that ADF Super members who have left the ADF, and who provided continuous full-time service for an uninterrupted period of at least 12 months, can continue to make contributions to ADF Super. This is consistent with similar changes that have been made to the Public Sector Superannuation Accumulation Plan for Australian Government employees. This change will be implemented through changes to the ADF Super Trust Deed, to take effect on 1 May 2020.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Minor consequential amendments will be made to the Superannuation Industry (Supervision) Act 1993 to require ADF Super to obtain relevant insurance products for ADF Super members who are no longer serving in the ADF.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill moves to make some small but significant changes to Defence legislation that will benefit veterans and their families.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I commend the Bill.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARRELL</name>
    <name.id>I0N</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to speak on the Defence Legislation Amendment (Miscellaneous Measures) Bill 2020. The bill will extend the period after a member leaves the Australian Defence Force within which they can access the Defence Home Ownership Assistance Scheme from two to 5 years and allow former ADF members who have provided at least 12 months of service to continue to make contributions to ADF Super. These amendments will allow more veterans and their families to achieve home ownership and improve superannuation choice for former defence personnel. Both changes should improve ADF recruitment and retention and deliver better outcomes for defence personnel and veterans, and Labor supports them. I commend the bill to the Senate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'd sincerely like to thank all senators who contributed to the debate on this bill. I also acknowledge the continued tradition of bipartisan support for our veterans community in this latest initiative to support our veterans. The government recognises that transitioning from military service to civilian life is a significant life-changing event for many veterans. It is also a period of uncertainty for their family members. This bill demonstrates the commitment this government has made to supporting ADF members to assist them in their successful transition and also to continuing to support them as veterans.</para>
<para>As part of the government's election commitments, this bill will amend the Defence Home Ownership Assistance Scheme Act 2008. This amendment will extend the period in which members can access the Defence Home Ownership Assistance Scheme after they leave the ADF. The access period will be extended from two years to five years, allowing much needed additional time for former ADF members to look for suitable accommodation without being rushed into purchasing a home for fear of losing their entitlements. The bill will also amend the Australian Defence Force Superannuation Act 2015. Importantly, this amendment allows former ADF members who have provided at least 12 months continuous full-time service to continue to make contributions to their ADF Super accounts once they are in civilian employment.</para>
<para>These amendments offer security and certainty to veterans, and also to their families, in accessing housing support and financial planning for their retirement, which are both so important to the successful and rewarding transition to civilian life. I commend this bill.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>49</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>DYU</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>No amendments to the bill have been circulated. Does any senator require a committee stage? If not, I call the minister to move the third reading.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Student Identifiers Amendment (Enhanced Student Permissions) Bill 2019</title>
          <page.no>49</page.no>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>49</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARRELL</name>
    <name.id>I0N</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The opposition supports the Health Insurance Amendment (General Practitioners and Quality Assurance) Bill 2020 and commends the bill to the Senate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise to sum up on the bill and I thank all members for their contributions to this debate. The Student Identifiers Amendment (Enhanced Student Permissions) Bill 2019 will broaden student controlled access to a range of entities, allowing them to request access to a student's authenticated vocational education and training transcript. This change will provide confidence to industry on the authenticity of vocational education and training qualifications. It also supports the Australian government's commitment to strengthening our VET system to become a modern, flexible and trusted sector that provides an excellent standard of education and training.</para>
<para>The bill introduces a civil penalty regime to protect the integrity of the student identifiers initiative and to act as a deterrent to unwanted behaviour in this sector. It also clarifies that the Student Identifiers Registrar has the power to determine by exemption whether a vocational education and training qualification or statement of attainment can be issued by a registered training organisation to a student who does not have a student identifier. Lastly, it also clarifies spending powers associated with the student identifiers special account. An addendum to the expenditure memorandum for the bill has been tabled. It responds to concerns raised by the Senate Standing Committee for the Scrutiny of Bills. The committee requested that the key information provided in the response to the committee be included in the explanatory memorandum to the bill. I confirm this action has been undertaken. I commend this bill to the Senate.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARRELL</name>
    <name.id>I0N</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to make a short—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>DYU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The minister has formally closed, but I'm conscious that the order this bill was brought on is not in accordance with the order that was listed. Are you seeking leave to make the contribution you would have otherwise made?</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARRELL</name>
    <name.id>I0N</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, I am.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
</continue>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator FARRELL</name>
    <name.id>I0N</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Mr Acting Deputy President. I thank the government for allowing me to make a contribution. Labor will support this bill in the Senate. It provides the ability for employers and licensing bodies to verify applicants' qualifications and deters people from fraudulently altering their VET transcripts. But making it easier for employers to check people's qualifications doesn't fix the fact that this government has presided over the failure of the vocational education and training sector and a national skills crisis that is making it harder for employers to fill job vacancies while at the same time the country is in an underemployment crisis.</para>
<para>Labor referred this bill to inquiry by the Senate Education and Employment Legislation Committee to make sure that there were no unintended consequences that make it harder for workers to make a fresh start. It's important not to strip away people's ability to make a fresh start in life. Labor wanted to make sure that students aren't placed at an unreasonable disadvantage when they're applying for jobs, that their privacy is protected and that they can properly control the data they share with potential employers. We are satisfied that if someone flunked out of a training course when they were young because they were caring for a family member or dealing with mental health issues, and they've successfully gone back and completed a diploma some years later, they will be able to control how much of their VET transcript they share with prospective employers, being only the qualifications that are relevant to the job.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.2><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>50</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>DYU</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>No amendments have been circulated. Does any senator require a committee stage? If not, I shall call the minister to move the third reading</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Treasury Laws Amendment (2020 Measures No. 1) Bill 2020</title>
          <page.no>50</page.no>
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            <title>First Reading</title>
            <page.no>50</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
</speech>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
            <page.no>50</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para><inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows</inline> <inline font-style="italic">—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">This Bill contains two measures that maintain the integrity and efficient operation of Australia's tax system.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 1 to the Bill amends the <inline font-style="italic">Income Tax Assessment Act 1997 </inline>to extend the definition of a Significant Global Entity (SGE) to include members of large business groups headed by proprietary companies, trusts, partnerships, investment entities and individuals.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">SGE is a concept to define, generally speaking, a group of entities under the control of a large multinational. Such groups are a key focus for tax authorities to prevent profit shifting.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Many of the significant measures undertaken by this Government to tackle multinational tax avoidance rely on the SGE definition. These include the Multilateral Anti‑Avoidance Law, the Diverted Profits Tax, and penalties applying to false or misleading statements, late lodgement of documents or tax schemes. SGEs are also required to prepare and submit general purpose financial statements to the Australian Taxation Office.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Extending the definition will ensure that multinationals cannot structure to avoid our multinational tax integrity rules, which remain amongst the strongest in the world.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Schedule 2 to the Bill makes permanent the current temporary capital gains tax relief for merging superannuation funds, which is otherwise due to expire on 1 July 2020. The current arrangements remove unnecessary impediments that would otherwise apply to mergers by allowing superannuation funds to transfer revenue and capital losses to a new merged fund and to defer taxation consequences on gains and losses from revenue and capital assets.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Extending the relief will give fund trustees certainty when planning merger activity and will provide wider benefits to fund members and the superannuation system as a whole through increased fund scale and efficiencies.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The measure implements Recommendation 21 of the Productivity Commission's final report, <inline font-style="italic">Superannuation: Assessing Efficiency and Competitiveness</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Full details of the measures included in this Bill are contained in the Explanatory Memorandum.</para></quote>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This bill seeks to amend the Income Tax Assessment Act 1997. Schedule 1 of the bill expands the definition of a significant global entity. This measure will ensure that certain entities that are not captured by the definition, including trust partnerships and investment entities, are covered by particular reporting requirements and multinational tax avoidance laws. Schedule 1 also ensures that entities comply with Australia's international commitments as part of the OECD's base erosion and profit shifting action plan.</para>
<para>Schedule 2 of the bill amends various acts to make permanent certain forms of tax relief for merging superannuation funds—forms of relief that are currently temporary. This was a recommendation of the Productivity Commission's 2019 report into superannuation and will make mergers between superannuation funds simpler.</para>
<para>I rise to make the point that commitments to making multinationals pay their fair share of tax are immensely important. We welcome international companies operating in Australia. So many Australians benefit from their operations, receiving jobs. They're an important part of our economic infrastructure. But let's be clear that these same companies benefit a great deal from the government services that make it possible for them to hire well-educated and skilful staff; the government services that provide terrific transport infrastructure that allows product to be moved around the country; the government investment in infrastructure that means that telecommunications facilities are available; the government investment in health care and health infrastructure which has proven so important in COVID-19 and ensures that the Australian workforce is healthy. These things, alongside our legal system and the institutions that sit around that, absolutely support the economic activities of these companies. It is not unreasonable to ask those companies, when they are in Australia, to pay their fair share of tax. But the government really drags its feet on this. I note that many of the provisions in this bill have been the subject of repeated inquiry, investigation and recommendation by the Senate economics committee.</para>
<para>The average Australian worker pays 25 per cent of their income in tax, but it was reported in 2018 that one-third of large Australian companies paid no tax at all. Data issued by the Australian Taxation Office showed that 722 out of the 2,119 companies examined failed to pay any tax in the 2016-17 tax year, and the companies that paid no tax included 100 firms that reported more than $1 billion in total income. Those opposite voted against Labor's tax transparency laws in 2013—laws which would have enabled us to better understand the extent of tax avoidance. Everyday Australians pay their tax, and they expect large companies to be held to the same standard.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank senators for their contribution and I commend the bill to the Senate.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a second time.</para>
</speech>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>51</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>DYU</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>No amendments have been circulated. Does any senator require a committee stage? If not, I shall call the minister to move the third reading</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
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        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>52</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Corporations and Financial Services Committee</title>
          <page.no>52</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Reference</title>
            <page.no>52</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>12:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>DYU</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>A message has been received from the House of Representatives forwarding a resolution agreed to by that House to refer a matter to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Corporations and Financial Services for inquiry and report. The text of the resolution is available on the Dynamic Red.</para>
</speech>
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        <title>BILLS</title>
        <page.no>52</page.no>
        <type>BILLS</type>
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          <title>Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019, Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019</title>
          <page.no>52</page.no>
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            <title>In Committee</title>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move Labor amendments (1) to (10), on sheet 8878, to the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Clause 2, page 2 (table item 1), omit "Sections 1 to 4", substitute "Sections 1 to 5".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Page 3 (after line 23), after clause 4, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">5 Modelling of Regional Broadband Scheme</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Report</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (1) The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (<inline font-style="italic">ACCC</inline>) must prepare a report in relation to the Regional Broadband Scheme that includes:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) the estimates referred to in subsection (3); and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) such other matters (if any) as the ACCC considers relevant.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (2) The purpose of the report is to provide updated costings in relation to the amount of the base component specified in paragraph 12(1)(a) of the Regional Broadband Scheme Charge Act, using the same model and methodology that was previously used to determine that amount but taking into account changes to inputs and assumptions that have occurred since that amount was first determined.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (3) The report must include an estimate of each of the following:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) the total losses that have been incurred by NBN Co in relation to fixed wireless broadband and satellite broadband matters during the period beginning on 1 July 2009 and ending on 30 June 2020;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) the total of the reasonable losses likely to be incurred by NBN Co in relation to fixed wireless broadband and satellite broadband matters during the period beginning on 1 July 2009 and ending on 30 June 2040 (the <inline font-style="italic">total expected net losses</inline>);</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (c) the amount that the base component for a month (within the meaning of the Regional Broadband Scheme Charge Act) would be required to be in order for the Commonwealth to receive a total amount by way of charge imposed by that Act that would offset the total expected net losses, if it were assumed that paragraph 9(1)(b) of that Act had not been enacted;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (d) the total of the reasonable losses likely to be incurred by NBN Co in relation to fixed wireless broadband and satellite broadband matters during the period beginning on 1 July 2020 and ending on 30 June 2040 (the <inline font-style="italic">total</inline><inline font-style="italic">expected net forward facing losses</inline>);</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (e) the amount that the base component for a month (within the meaning of the Regional Broadband Scheme Charge Act) would be required to be in order for the Commonwealth to receive a total amount by way of charge imposed by that Act that would offset the total expected net forward facing losses, if it were assumed that paragraph 9(1)(b) of that Act had not been enacted;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (f) the total expected number of chargeable premises by reference to which charge is to be calculated under the Regional Broadband Scheme Charge Act during the financial year beginning on 1 July 2025;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (g) such other matters (if any) as the ACCC considers relevant.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: For paragraph (f), see section 11 of the Regional Broadband Scheme Charge Act in relation to how numbers of chargeable premises are used in calculating charge under that Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (4) The report must specify the aggregated data inputs and the modelling assumptions upon which the estimates referred to in subsection (3) were determined.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (5) In preparing the report, the ACCC:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) must use the methodology and model that was used by the Department of Communications and the Arts' Bureau of Communications Research for the report entitled <inline font-style="italic">NBN non</inline><inline font-style="italic">‑commercial services funding options—Final report March 2016</inline>; but</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) must, in doing so, update the inputs and assumptions of the methodology and model to reflect changes that have occurred since the publication of that report.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (6) Without limiting paragraph (5)(b), the following are changes that must be taken into account in updating the inputs and assumptions:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) changes in the inputs for estimating the total number of chargeable premises by reference to which charge is imposed by the Regional Broadband Scheme Charge Act;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) changes in the inputs for build costs in relation to fixed wireless broadband and satellite broadband matters;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (c) changes in the inputs for estimating future capital expenditure requirements in relation to fixed wireless broadband and satellite broadband matters.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (7) In preparing the report, the ACCC must assume that Division 6 of Part 3 of the <inline font-style="italic">Telecommunications (Consumer Protection and Service Standards) Act 1999</inline> had not been enacted.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Note: That Division deals with charge offset certificates.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (8) Before the end of the 150‑day period beginning when this section commences, the ACCC must:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) give the Minister the report; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) make the report available on the ACCC's website.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (9) The Minister must cause a copy of the report to be tabled in each House of the Parliament within 5 sitting days of receiving it.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Use of the word </inline> <inline font-style="italic">"</inline> <inline font-style="italic">Regional</inline> <inline font-style="italic">"</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (10) To avoid doubt, the use of the word "Regional"in this section does not limit:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) subsection 80(1) of the <inline font-style="italic">Telecommunications (Consumer Protection and Service Standards) Act 1999</inline>; or</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) subsection 13(3) of the Regional Broadband SchemeCharge Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">Definitions</inline></para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (11) In this section:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">fixed wireless broadband and satellite broadband matters</inline> means the matters referred to in paragraphs 13(3)(a) to (d) of the Regional Broadband Scheme Charge Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">Minister</inline> means the Minister administering the <inline font-style="italic">Telecommunications Act 1997</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"> <inline font-style="italic">NBN Co</inline> has the same meaning as in the <inline font-style="italic">National Broadband Network Companies Act 2011</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">Regional Broadband Scheme</inline> means the scheme embodied in:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) Part 3 of the <inline font-style="italic">Telecommunications (Consumer Protection and Service Standards) Act 1999</inline>; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) the Regional Broadband Scheme Charge Act.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">Regional Broadband Scheme Charge Act</inline> means the <inline font-style="italic">Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Act 2020</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) Schedule 5, item 1, page 197 (after line 17), after subsection 98B(1), insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (1A) NBN Co must:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) provide to the Secretary the following mapping data about each national broadband network serving area module:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the boundaries and identification code for the national broadband network serving area module;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the dominant technology type of connections to the national broadband network within the national broadband network serving area module;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) the date on which the majority of premises within the national broadband network serving area module were declared ready for service by NBN Co; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) do so within 150 days after the Secretary gives a direction to NBN Co under subsection (4).</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Schedule 5, item 1, page 197 (after line 29), after subsection 98B(2), insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (2A) The Secretary may, by written notice given to NBN Co, direct NBN Co to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) provide to the Secretary the following mapping data about each national broadband network serving area module:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (i) the boundaries and identification code for the national broadband network serving area module;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the dominant technology type of connections to the national broadband network within the national broadband network serving area module;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) the date on which the majority of premises within the national broadband network serving area module were declared ready for service by NBN Co; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) do so within 90 days after the Secretary gives the direction to NBN Co.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) Schedule 5, item 1, page 198 (line 2), omit "subsection (1) or (2)", substitute "subsection (1), (1A), (2) or (2A)".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) Schedule 5, item 1, page 198 (line 8), omit "subsection (1)", substitute "subsection (1) or (1A)".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(7) Schedule 5, item 1, page 198 (line 15), omit "subsection (2)", substitute "subsection (2) or (2A)".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(8) Schedule 5, item 1, page 198 (line 22), omit "subsection (2), (4) or (5)", substitute "subsection (2), (2A), (4) or (5)".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(9) Schedule 5, item 1, page 198 (after line 27), after subsection 98B(7), insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (7A) Before the end of the 30‑day period beginning on the day on which the Secretary is provided the mapping data under subsection (1A), the Secretary must arrange for the mapping data to be made available on the National Map website (https://nationalmap.gov.au) in colour‑coded format.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(10) Schedule 5, item 1, page 198 (after line 29), insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">national broadband network serving area module</inline> means a geographical region within NBN Co's fixed‑line footprint which includes premises that are:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (a) connected to the national broadband network; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (b) served by any of the following technology types of connection to the national broadband network:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      (i) fibre to the building;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) fibre to the premises;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) fibre to the node;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) fibre to the curb;</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (v) HFC.</para></quote>
<para>Labor's amendments to the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019, as outlined on sheet 8878, seek to achieve two things. First, on the topic of the modelling underpinning the charge, there does remain scope to improve transparency around the charge level, and there is broad agreement that the modelling undertaken in 2015 is based on inputs and assumptions that are no longer accurate. Given the government has not acted on the agreed joint standing committee recommendation of 2018 to update the model, these amendments propose that the levy modelling be updated and a report outlining certain matters be produced and published within 150 days. The responsibility for this task will be placed in the hands of the ACCC.</para>
<para>The purpose of the report is to provide updated costings using the same model and methodology developed by the Bureau of Communications Research in 2015, while taking into account changes to inputs and assumptions that have occurred since the levy charge amount was first determined. Some examples of inputs that are known to have changed are costs to deploy the fixed-wireless network and the number of premises over which the levy charge might be spread. We do not consider updating the model will be a complex exercise, given a model has already been developed and updated data inputs are available.</para>
<para>Should the Senate carry this amendment, we understand the government will propose a further amendment to give the ACCC power to seek information from NBN Co and other carriers to support their efforts to update the model. Labor supports that amendment. The amendment also proposes that the updated costings produced by the ACCC provide a breakdown for the proportion of the levy charge from costs which are already sunk and the proportion of the levy charge that derives from forecast future costs.</para>
<para>The second aspect of the Labor amendments is to improve NBN rollout data on the NationalMap website. This builds on an existing ALP amendment from the previous term of parliament to make rollout data available on the NationalMap. I want to acknowledge the government has incorporated that amendment into this reintroduced bill, and this amendment before the Senate today is a further supplement to that. These are reasonable and constructive amendments that seek to improve the bill. We hope they receive the support of the Senate on their merits.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Before I respond to Senator Kitching's comments, I'd like to table three supplementary explanatory memoranda relating to the government amendments to be moved to the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019 and the government request for an amendment to be moved to the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019.</para>
<para>I thank Senator Kitching for her comments and for the Labor Party's feedback on their amendments. The government does accept the amendments proposed by the opposition to the Regional Broadband Scheme. These amendments do not impact on the government's original policy intent for the legislation and these amendments provide an opportunity for the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission to review the modelling for the scheme prior to its commencement.</para>
<para>Nonetheless, the government remains confident that the 2015-16 modelling undertaken for the Regional Broadband Scheme continues to provide a reasonable estimate for the introductory charge. The short time frame for delivery of the report by the ACCC means that it will naturally be limited in scope. In recognition of the limitations of this analysis, the minister intends to ask the ACCC to commence a review of the costings for the RBS in due course.</para>
<para>Under the legislation, the ACCC will review the base and administrative cost components at least once every five years, to ensure they are sufficient to meet the reasonable net costs associated with NBN Co's fixed-wireless and satellite networks and the administrative costs of the scheme.</para>
<para>The government's complementary amendments, on sheet QL144, make sure that the ACCC will have access to current information from carriers as an input to its report.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor supports these government amendments. Ensuring the ACCC has timely access to updated data inputs will help support efforts to update the model. Our understanding was that the NBN and the industry would have cooperated with the ACCC, and, if this measure provides further certainty, we are happy to support it.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>204953</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that opposition amendments on sheet 8878, moved together by leave, be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:06</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move government amendments (1) to (5) on sheet QL159:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 3, item 1, page 99 (lines 23 and 24), omit "made after the commencement of this section".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 3, item 2, page 100 (lines 6 and 7), omit "made after the commencement of this section".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) Schedule 4, item 13, page 142 (lines 29 and 30), omit the definition of <inline font-style="italic">designated start date</inline> in section 76, substitute:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">designated start date</inline> means 1 January 2021.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) Schedule 4, item 13, page 143 (after line 2), after the definition of <inline font-style="italic">exempt premises</inline> in section 76, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">financial year</inline> has a meaning affected by section 78A.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) Schedule 4, item 13, page 147 (after line 27), after section 78, insert:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">    78A Financial year</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">      For the purposes of this Part (other than section 85), the 6‑month period beginning on the designated start date is taken to be a financial year.</para></quote>
<para>Amendments (1) and (2) fine-tune the operation of statutory infrastructure provider, or SIP, standards and rules and, in particular, how they operate with instruments that may be made by the ACCC. The SIP regime requires SIPs to supply wholesale services and SIP standards or rules that could be made dealing with issues such as time frames for connecting and repairing services and other terms or conditions of supply.</para>
<para>The ACCC may also make instruments that deal with the same matters. In this case SIPs need to know which instrument has primacy. The bill currently provides that SIP standards or rules prevail over ACCC instruments made after the commencement of the section, to the extent of any inconsistency. It is possible that there could, at least in the short term, be a conflict between an SIP standard or rule and an existing ACCC instrument made prior to the commencement. Amendments (1) and (2) clarify that the SIP standards or rules will also prevail in this case, to the extent of any inconsistency.</para>
<para>Amendment (3) provides for the deferral of the commencement of the RBS to 1 January 2021 by replacing the proposed definition of 'designated start date' with the new definition, '1 January 2021'. Amendments (4) and (5) are consequential to amendment (3). If passed in May this financial year, the designated start date would commence on 1 July this year, at a time when the telecommunications carriers are offering hardship relief due to COVID-19. This would provide little time to make arrangements for the commencement of the scheme. The date change recognises the impact of COVID-19 on the telecommunications industry and will provide certainty to carriers and regulators about when their obligations under this scheme commence.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor supports this amendment. To implement this legislation, carriers would have had to have changed their IT systems and, in some instances, develop new capabilities in order to determine levy liabilities in their enterprise footprints. We think this amendment to delay the commencement of the levy is sensible, given, as the minister has stated, the impact of COVID-19. We are quite close to the next financial year. With the priorities facing the industry in relation to COVID-19, having a commencement date of 1 July would have presented serious challenges, so Labor supports this amendment.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The TEMPORARY CHAIR</name>
    <name.id>204953</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that amendments (1) to (5) on sheet QL159, by leave moved together, amending the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019, be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move government amendments (1) and (2) on sheet QL144:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Schedule 4, item 13, page 192 (lines 5 and 6), omit "one month after the end of the applicable reporting period", substitute "60 days after the commencement of this section".</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 4, item 13, page 193 (lines 3 and 4), omit "the second month that began after the commencement of this section", substitute "the month immediately preceding the month in which this section commenced".</para></quote>
<para>These amendments modify the reporting month and lodgement time frame for the one-off report which carriers would be required to provide to the ACCC under existing section 102ZF. This amendment is complementary to opposition amendment 8878, as it would ensure that the ACCC has current information from carriers when undertaking its review of the Regional Broadband Scheme modelling. The government's complementary amendments on QL144 make sure that the ACCC will have access to current information from carriers as an input to its report.</para>
<para>Amendment (1) would shorten the period of provision of the one-off report by carriers within 60 days of the bill's royal assent. Amendment (2) updates the reporting period to the month prior to the due date of the report. The report gives a snapshot of the high-speed fixed-line broadband market after commencement of this bill. This information will be an important data source for the ACCC as part of preparing advice to the minister about the base component of this charge. This allows more timely information and support and it also supports the government's evidence based decision-making sooner, meaning better outcomes for consumers and also for industry.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor supports this amendment. Ensuring the ACCC has timely access to updated data inputs will help support efforts to update the model. This is important and is helpful in a number of respects. We understand that the NBN and the industry will cooperate with the ACCC, and this measure provides further certainty, so we're happy to support it.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The TEMPORARY CHAIR</name>
    <name.id>204953</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question is that amendments (1) and (2) on sheet QL144, by leave moved together, amending the Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019, be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move the government amendment on sheet QL146:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Clause 3, page 4 (lines 1 and 2), omit the definition of <inline font-style="italic">fixed wireless broadband service</inline>, substitute:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block"><inline font-style="italic">fixed wireless broadband service</inline> has the same meaning as in Part 3 of the <inline font-style="italic">Telecommunications (Consumer Protection and Service Standards) Act 1999</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Parliamentary Counsel</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">QL146</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Statement of reasons: why certain amendments should be moved as requests</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Section 53 of the Constitution is as follows:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Powers of the Houses in respect of legislation</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">53. Proposed laws appropriating revenue or moneys, or imposing taxation, shall not originate in the Senate. But a proposed law shall not be taken to appropriate revenue or moneys, or to impose taxation, by reason only of its containing provisions for the imposition or appropriation of fines or other pecuniary penalties, or for the demand or payment or appropriation of fees for licences, or fees for services under the proposed law.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Senate may not amend proposed laws imposing taxation, or proposed laws appropriating revenue or moneys for the ordinary annual services of the Government.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Senate may not amend any proposed law so as to increase any proposed charge or burden on the people.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Senate may at any stage return to the House of Representatives any proposed law which the Senate may not amend, requesting, by message, the omission or amendment of any items or provisions therein. And the House of Representatives may, if it thinks fit, make any of such omissions or amendments, with or without modifications.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Except as provided in this section, the Senate shall have equal power with the House of Representatives in respect of all proposed laws.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Amendment (1)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The effect of this amendment is to amend the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019, which is a proposed law imposing taxation. The amendment is covered by section 53 because that section provides that the Senate may not amend proposed laws imposing taxation.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">SHEET QL146</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Statement by the Clerk of the Senate pursuant to the order of the Senate of 26 June 2000</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Amendment (1)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">As this is a bill imposing taxation within the meaning of section 53 of the Constitution, any Senate amendments to the bill must be moved as requests. This is in accordance with the precedents of the Senate.</para></quote>
<para>This amendment makes a technical correct to the definition of 'fixed wireless broadband service'. The charge bill incorrectly defines fixed wireless broadband service as having the same meaning as in the Telecommunications Act 1997, where it is not defined. The amendment corrects this definition and provides that such a term has the same meaning as in part 3 of the Telecommunications (Consumer Protection and Service Standards) Act 1999. This amendment does not change the policy intent or operation of the Regional Broadband Scheme.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:12</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor will support this amendment.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The TEMPORARY CHAIR</name>
    <name.id>204953</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question now is that the request for an amendment on sheet QL146, amending the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019, be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move the Australian Greens amendment on sheet 8958:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) Clause 2, page 2 (table item 7), omit "Schedules 4 and 5", substitute "Schedule 5".</para></quote>
<para>The Greens also oppose schedule 4 in the following terms:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(2) Schedule 4, page 136 (line 1) to page 196 (line 7), to be opposed.</para></quote>
<para>These are amendments which reflect the position that I put, on behalf of the Australian Greens, during my speech in the second reading debate. Schedule 4 sets out various charge, collection and other administration arrangements associated with the Regional Broadband Scheme, found in the Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019, which the Australian Greens do not support. As I said in my second reading speech, the most appropriate, equitable and technology-agnostic means for funding the Regional Broadband Scheme is directly from the Commonwealth budget, and that remains the Greens' position. Temporary Chair, I seek your advice: I think I need to move these separately rather than together?</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The TEMPORARY CHAIR</name>
    <name.id>204953</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKim, you can seek leave to move them collectively. The questions will be put separately.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKIM</name>
    <name.id>JKM</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I seek leave to move them together.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor is opposing the Greens political party's amendments. We won't be supporting them. There are no doubt shortcomings and issues with the design of the levy. These issues have been identified by the ACCC and the Productivity Commission. However, to oppose the levy outright would undermine the economics of the NBN, and this is not something Labor is prepared to do.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The government does not support the Greens amendments. We believe it's inherently inconsistent and it's not practical to have a national broadband delivery obligation if there is no way to fund it, so we do oppose this.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The TEMPORARY CHAIR</name>
    <name.id>204953</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>The question now is that schedule 4, as amended, stand as printed.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>The TEMPORARY CHAIR: We will now turn to Australian Greens amendment 1 on sheet 8958. The question is that the amendment be agreed to.</para>
<para>Question negatived.</para>
<para>Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019, as amended, agreed to; Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019 agreed to, subject to a request.</para>
<para>Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019 reported with amendments; Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019 reported with a request; report adopted.</para>
</interjection>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>58</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the bill be read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
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            <title>Second Reading</title>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BILYK</name>
    <name.id>HZB</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Labor has a proud history of supporting foreign aid. We know that it's not just in Australia's national interests but it's the right thing to do as a prosperous nation and a good global citizen. In supporting foreign aid, we also support the multilateral agreements and institutions that drive our global systems of development assistance. If passed, this bill, Official Development Assistance Multilateral Replenishment Obligations (Special Appropriation) Bill 2019, will make a special appropriation from the Consolidated Revenue Fund to meet Australia's payment obligations to six multilateral development funds. These six funds are: the International Development Association, which is the World Bank's development arm; the Heavily Indebted Poor Country Initiative, a World Bank debt relief scheme administered by the International Development Association; the Multilateral Debt Relief Initiative, a World Bank debt relief scheme administered by the International Development Association; the Asian Development Fund, which provides development grants to low-income members of the Asian Development Bank; the Global Environment Facility Trust Fund, which is administered by the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development to support sustainable development activities; and, finally, the Multilateral Fund for the Implementation of the Montreal Protocol, which provides assistance to developing countries in phasing out ozone-depleting substances.</para>
<para>The six multilateral funds require pledging nations to provide an unqualified instrument of commitment stating that there is no impediment to making the pledged payments. However, since 2014-15 the annual appropriations bill has included automatic repeal provisions which extinguish unused appropriations three years after they are made. This is why these payments need a special appropriation instead of being included in the budget bills.</para>
<para>Australia's annual payments to the funds average around $350 million, but this will not have any impact on the underlying cash balance as they are funded out of existing aid appropriations. The bill continues the active role that Australia has played over many years in supporting these funds.</para>
<para>Labor is a big supporter of Australia's international development program, so of course we support these appropriations. In fact, Labor was behind many of the multilateral agreements that established these funds and the institutions behind them. Labor's commitment to the World Bank goes as far back as the Chifley government's decision to support Bretton Woods institutions in the aftermath of the Second World War. And it was the Hawke government in 1987 that made Australia one of the first countries to ratify the Montreal Protocol on ozone-depleting substances. This is undoubtably one of the most successful international agreements on the environment—if not the most successful—which has helped the ozone hole above Antarctica start to heal.</para>
<para>These funds are necessary not only as a part of our contribution to development assistance but also in supporting the multilateral institutions that are at the heart of this system. The work that these multilateral funds support is vital to many global development causes, such as tackling poverty, promoting sustainable development in some of the world's poorest countries and addressing environmental challenges which require global cooperation.</para>
<para>While we welcome this bill and appreciate the need for a special appropriation for these funds, it appears that this government has somewhat of a split personality when it comes to support for multilateral institutions. On the one hand, we have the bill we are now debating in the Senate in which the government is making a commitment to meeting its obligations to various multilateral funds. But, bizarrely, on the other hand, we had a speech from the Prime Minister, Mr Morrison, late last year criticising what he refers to as negative globalism. After that speech, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade told Senate estimates that they had not heard the term 'negative globalism' before. If Mr Morrison was taking Australia's commitment to multilateralism in a different direction, then he certainly hadn't consulted DFAT. To get a sense of what negative globalism actually means, we can only look to the definition in Mr Morrison's speech. According to the Prime Minister, negative globalism:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… coercively seeks to impose a mandate from an often ill defined borderless global community. And worse still, an unaccountable internationalist bureaucracy.</para></quote>
<para>I would like to know where this so-called unaccountable bureaucracy exists. Multilateral institutions are only given life and mandate by international treaties that countries like ours freely enter into. I, and I'm sure many Australians, would like some clarity around where the Prime Minister and his government are going with this concept of negative globalism. Does it represent a major policy shift away from a commitment to multilateralism or is it just another bizarre thought bubble from the Prime Minister? If there is one area in which the government's demonstrated commitment to multilateralism is badly lacking, it's their appalling record on official development assistance, or what is more commonly known as foreign aid.</para>
<para>Labor has a strong commitment to foreign aid because we understand and accept both the moral and the national interest arguments for it; and in government we followed through on this commitment. I am very proud of Labor's record on foreign aid investment. When we were last in government, we doubled foreign aid and we set out a timetable for increasing aid to 0.5 per cent of gross national income. This was an interim goal towards the agreed target of 0.7 per cent of GNI set by developed countries in 1970. So far only five members of the OECD have met this target: Luxembourg, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the UK.</para>
<para>Foreign aid is not just giving away money to people overseas; it's an investment in a prosperous, peaceful, healthy and secure world. There are two major reasons why foreign aid should be a policy priority of any government. Firstly, contributing to foreign aid is in Australia's national interest. We live in a global community, and the security of our country is, to a large extent, dictated by the security of the world beyond our borders. So many national security threats from overseas are exacerbated by extreme poverty. Poverty fuels transnational crime, conflict and terrorism. Of course, it can't be accepted as an excuse for crime or armed conflict, but it is often a contributing factor. Consider, for example, the social and economic cost from the flow of illicit drugs into Australia, which is running into the billions. When crime offers an escape from extreme poverty then those experiencing poverty are more likely to risk engaging it, and the rewards of doing so will be comparatively greater.</para>
<para>One form of crime, in particular, that is having an impact on the lives of everyday Australians is, of course, cybercrime. I've said a great deal in this place over the years about cybersafety and the threat posed to Australians by scams. The ACCC's <inline font-style="italic">Targeting scams</inline> report found that in 2018 Australians lost close to half a billion dollars to scams, and that rate of loss has been increasing rapidly over time. Most of these scams are perpetuated from beyond our borders and often by people who see it as a way out of poverty. There is, of course, no excuse for trying to cheat innocent people out of their money—none at all—but if we are helping people find legitimate means to escape poverty then it will also help to reduce the incidence of crimes such as these.</para>
<para>Another security threat facing Australia is the spread of infectious diseases. The COVID-19 pandemic is a perfect example of how connected we are to our global environment and how poverty in other countries can impact us here in Australia. In an opinion piece in <inline font-style="italic">The Guardian</inline> Australia, Ian Goldin, Professor of Globalisation and Development at Oxford University, wrote:</para>
<quote><para class="block">… the poorer the country, the less capable it is of addressing people's pressing needs, from identifying and treating cases of the virus to supporting communities and businesses deprived of income.</para></quote>
<para>A further observation in Professor Goldin's article read:</para>
<quote><para class="block">We are only as strong as our weakest links. In the case of Covid-19, if one country is a pandemic hotspot, we're all at risk of reinfection.</para></quote>
<para>Professor Goldin went on to conclude that we need to show 'solidarity with those beyond our borders'.</para>
<para>I sympathise with those who talk about the challenges confronting struggling Australian families and who say that we should fix our problems at home before sending money overseas. But, if we can create a more secure and prosperous world, the money we save from having to defend against national security threats such as terrorism, crime and communicable diseases can be reinvested in helping Australians. Furthermore, when other countries develop economically, our economy benefits too.</para>
<para>It's worth recognising that a number of our most valuable export markets were, at some point in history, aid recipients. While foreign aid investment is in Australia's national interest, there is another really good reason to invest in foreign aid: it's simply the right thing to do. The good we can do in the world by such things as supporting economic development, feeding starving children and stopping the spread of preventable disease is our obligation as one of world's wealthiest nations and as a good global citizen. I have no doubt most Australians would agree. We are, after all, generous by nature.</para>
<para>Egalitarianism, mateship and fairness are principles integral to our culture and national identity. Each year Australians give around $11 billion in charity. In day-to-day life we help our friends, neighbours and even people in the street, not because it might be material advantage to us but because most people have the decency to lend a hand when somebody needs it. If we practice these principles when dealing with each other as individuals then as a nation we should behave the same way. A prosperous country like Australia should give generously to those less fortunate.</para>
<para>A 2019 Lowy Institute poll found Australians on average think about 14 per cent of Australia's budget is spent on foreign aid. The average response for how much of the budget Australia should spend on foreign aid is 10 per cent. The amount Australia actually spends is closer to around 0.8 per cent of the budget, about one-twelfth of what Australians, on average, consider reasonable. So if you look at that spending in terms of Australia's gross national income, our current contribution is only 0.19 per cent. This is the lowest level Australia's aid spending has been as a proportion of GNI since the data started being published in 1961. Australia's contribution to foreign aid has fallen to this record low because of $11.8 billion in savage cuts since the Liberals came to power in 2013. Australia's meagre aid budget under this government is doing irreparable damage to our international standing and bilateral relations. Australia used to have a reputation as one of the most responsible forward-thinking global citizens and now our standing is falling in the eyes of the world. What is even worse about these savage cuts is that they are short-changing some of the most desperate, impoverished and struggling people in the world. I'm not exaggerating when I say that these cuts are savage enough for thousands of people to die as a result. One estimate says that close to half a million lives may be at risk. These are not the actions of a government that is truly committed to international development.</para>
<para>I and my colleagues on this side of the chamber are appalled at this government's record on international development. Ever since those opposite came to government they have treated the foreign aid budget like an ATM that they can take money from any time they need to prop up the budget. If they are tempted to do so again in this year's budget using their recently established foreign aid review as cover, I would strongly caution against doing so. Cuts to foreign aid at any time are both cruel and counterproductive but during this crisis it is one of the absolute worst times to be making these cuts.</para>
<para>The COVID-19 pandemic has demonstrated more than ever the importance of global solidarity. We know COVID-19 has had a disastrous economic impact at home, but for many developing countries it has been even more devastating. Not only do they need our assistance more than ever before, but the benefit of our assistance in how it lessens the pandemic threat to health and safety of Australians is so much greater.</para>
<para>While I welcome the bill that is now before the Senate, I would also welcome a commitment from this government to recognise the value of foreign aid and start working on reversing its savage cuts and reinvesting in international economic development. If I cannot convince those opposite that this is in the interests of Australians then let me appeal to their humanity. Let me implore those opposite to help more people have the means to eat, drink clean water, have access to shelter and electricity, go to school and stop dying of preventable diseases. If my appeal to the government's humanity is unsuccessful then it simply confirms what I have long suspected—that this government is heartless and uncaring, that they are devoid of compassion, decency and any sense of moral obligation. I would love for those opposite to prove me wrong and I invite them to do so. They can start by winding back their cuts to foreign aid and by treating the foreign aid budget as something to invest in, not a cookie jar they can raid any time they're short of funds. I commend the bill to the Senate.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As a servant of the people of Queensland and Australia, I oppose the Official Development Assistance Multilateral Replenishment Obligations (Special Appropriation) Bill 2019, One Nation opposes it and we do so because we support and love our country, Australia. One Nation opposes any remuneration bill that does not specify how much money is being spent. Do the taxpayers know right now that this bill has no spending limit? It's an open cheque to the UN.</para>
<para>I understand that the agreements we signed specify how total budgets are to be broken up amongst members but not how much the total budget should be. How can we do this? There are five different UN organisations that are the subject of this bill. The Global Environmental Facility, to take an example, has grown from $1 billion in the original agreement that we signed to $4 billion today. The World Bank International Development Association has gone from $24 billion to $35 billion in just the last two years—our money. This bill gives the United Nations a blank cheque to waste taxpayers' money and just hold its hand out for more.</para>
<para>I do not believe these organisations are good value for money. In fact, many are corrupt to the core. The World Bank's International Development Association spent 24 per cent, almost a quarter, of its funds on public administration—that is a quarter blown out the door through administration—and 19 per cent, almost one-fifth, on subsidising renewable energy. That does not lift people out of poverty because it is too unreliable. It consigns people to poverty and that's what it's doing to this country. What does the World Bank's International Development Association spend on health? Mr Acting Deputy President, do you have any idea? It is just eight per cent, and on education—the one thing that does lift people out of poverty—also a measly eight per cent. Perhaps the International Development Association could spend more lifting people out of poverty if it was not spending $3.3 billion every year on administrative expenses, including our cash.</para>
<para>The Asian Development Fund has been providing low-interest loans to lift people out of poverty since 1974. So in 46 years its low-interest loans have not lifted the people of Asia out of poverty but maybe the millions more we are about to give the Asian Development Fund will do the trick—maybe. In the past 46 years, there has been nothing much, but let's see what happens. Actually, I'm not sure why we're even funding the Asian Development Fund. They currently have $457 billion in outstanding loans.</para>
<para>I'm not suggesting that the scheme has been unsuccessful. The two largest recipients have done extremely well. India has $68 billion of those loans and is now the world's fifth-largest economy. Not because of the Asian Development Fund, I might add. China has $62 billion of those loans and is now the world's second-largest economy. I wonder if they're using that to make islands in the South China Sea. Perhaps if Australia can get some of these loans, we can stop Australia sliding out of the top 10 of the world's largest economies. I remind every Australian that, early last century, in the early days of our federated nationhood, Australia led the world in per capita income. We were No. 1 in the world. We're now sliding out of the top 10 and heading to slide out of the top 20. Sorry, we have already slid out of the top 10 largest economies.</para>
<para>Australia should be grateful that at least the Asian Development Bank is careful with its administrative expenses, only spending $1 billion last year on administration. I did note though, the Asian Development Fund spent $25 million last year on salaries and expenses for their board of directors—their 12-member board of directors. The amount of $2 million per director seems a little high for unelected internationalist bureaucrats or, as the Prime Minister said, unaccountable internationalist bureaucrats. When the Asian Development Fund talk about lifting people out of poverty, I don't think the Australian taxpayers would take that to mean the Asian Development Fund's board of directors being lifted out of poverty.</para>
<para>The Multilateral Fund for the Implementation of the Montreal Protocol is another soak for taxpayer cash. The Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer—yes, that's another title—was ratified in 1987. It requires countries to reduce levels of production and consumption of ozone-depleting substances according to an agreed schedule. I expect Australian taxpayers thought that the ban on CFCs in the eighties was the end of the CFC crisis. I won't even mention—well, I will mention—that the hole in the ozone layer stopped growing before the CFC ban came in and is better explained by natural variability caused by variations in solar energy than by world-killer spray cans. The UN, though, has spent half a billion dollars a year—half a billion dollars a year, including our money—on the multilateral fund for the last 25 years, and for nothing. In true <inline font-style="italic">Yes Minister</inline> style, the multilateral fund has kept itself in line for taxpayer handouts by moving on to other substances that also have nothing to do with the ozone layer. They're in general use, in situations where they're very hard to replace. That includes refrigeration. At this rate, refrigeration will be relegated to the footnotes of history. This won't be a problem because, with renewable power, everyday Australians won't be able to afford to run our refrigerators, except perhaps for those UN development officials with a $2-million-a-year price tag. They should be keeping the Moet nice and cold.</para>
<para>Let's turn to the Global Environment Facility trust. I saved the best until last. The Global Environment Facility trust was founded at the 1992 Rio Earth Summit to fund developing countries and countries with economies in transition to meet the objectives of the international environmental conventions and agreements—$1.5 billion a year to keep the global climate warming con going to enable the UN parasites to continue sucking our blood through deceit and lies. I notice that a generous federal government has increased our contribution to the Global Environment Facility from $23.5 million just two years ago to $38 million last year. That's an increase of about 60 per cent in one year. So when the World Wildlife Fund is used as a source for global warming proof, remember they're funded by the Global Environment Facility—funded to keep the greatest scientific swindle in history alive.</para>
<para>I'm going to discuss the bigger picture for a minute. And don't take my word for it. Mr Richard Court, at the time the Liberal Premier of Western Australia, wrote <inline font-style="italic">Rebuilding the Federation</inline>. In this book on page 8, he details the process that the internationalists use to usurp our sovereignty, take over our governance and put in place UN regulations. He deals with the UN or other unelected international bodies. Our Constitution has been pushed aside—bypassed by these criminals in the UN and other slick gangsters. Mr Richard Court details that, and he did so 26 years ago.</para>
<para>I'll now read from the opening page of the introduction of a UN Agenda 21 booklet. This came about at the UN Rio Convention in 1992, which Paul Keating's Labor government signed on our behalf. It says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Agenda 21 stands as a comprehensive blueprint for action to be taken globally—from now into the twenty-first century—by Governments, United Nations organizations, development agencies, non-governmental organizations and independent-sector groups, in every area in which human activity impacts on the environment.</para></quote>
<para>that is, every area of our civilisation—</para>
<para>The agenda should be studied in conjunction with both the Rio declaration, which provides a context for its specific proposals—</para>
<para>'specific proposals'; that's where the nitty-gritty is—</para>
<quote><para class="block">and the Statement of Forest Principles. It is hoped that the Forest Principles will form the basis for a future international level agreement.</para></quote>
<para>That is how they put in place global governance and that is how, according to Richard Court, who is absolutely correct, that governance then takes over ours.</para>
<para>We have the UN's Lima declaration, signed in 1975 by the Whitlam Labor government and ratified in 1976 by the Fraser Liberal-National government. It destroyed our industry; it deliberately made it clear that they were transferring it. By the way, the United States didn't sign it, several major European countries didn't sign it, and I don't think Japan did. China did; it was a beneficiary.</para>
<para>The UN's Rio declaration, in 1992, brought about Agenda 21, which I've just discussed, is now killing land use for all of our farmers. It's killing employment, due to its so-called sustainability, and its killing governance through the climate change commitments—which are not commitments until they are legislated through here, or bypassed through here.</para>
<para>The UN's Kyoto protocol, in 1996, and the UN's Paris Agreement, in 2015, which is strangling our industry and exporting jobs—red tape strangling our country, green tape strangling our country, blue tape strangling our country. Blue tape is UN tape. Where does blue tape work? In the fishing industry. We now have 36 per cent of the world's marine parks in this country alone—more than one-third. We now import three-quarters of our seafood from China. The biggest exporter of seafood is China, which has a tiny coastline and 53 times our population. So the UN doesn't touch China but strangles our industry—and we're happily pushing jobs off overseas and closing down industries, including fishing. And we can't get permission to lift the dam level at Warragamba Dam because the UN doesn't like it. And World Heritage sites are another way the UN controls us.</para>
<para>And then we have the globalist mantra of 'interdependency'—and that's what these bills push. Interdependency means we are dependent on another country; it means we are dependent, not independent any more. Australia used to be No. 1 in the world in terms of per capita income, and then we started shoving all our jobs offshore and now we are dependent on other nations—to say nothing of the corruption that the UN has and the accountability that it doesn't have.</para>
<para>As I said in my first but in the Senate in 2016, we need an 'Ausexit'—Australia exiting the UN. The best thing we can do for people in poor countries is to kill the UN, get back to accountability and create a business environment that is not an environment for parasites. The best thing we can do for our country is to restore our sovereignty, restore our governance and restore our independence. We need to not fund entities like the UN. Instead, we need to look after ourselves and make ourselves strong again so that we can help neighbours as they need.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PRATT</name>
    <name.id>I0T</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As we discuss this bill I want to highlight the critical role that multilateral organisations play right around the world and the importance of Australia's commitment to those organisations. In the current context of COVID-19 the role of international cooperation and strong global institutions should not be underplayed or underestimated. In this context, it's pleasing to see that we make critical commitments to multilateral initiatives such as the World Bank, the International Development Association, the debt relief program, the Asian Development Bank, the Asian Development Fund, the Global Environment Facility Trust Fund and the Multilateral Fund for the Implementation of the Montreal Protocol. These are just some of the multilateral institutions that exist. Some of them, of course, are auspiced by the World Health Organization, the UN, and others are put together through multilateral aid—such as the Global Vaccine Initiative, or Gavi, and the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria.</para>
<para>It is really important to see that global relationships are greatly enhanced through multilateral relationships rather than just nation to nation. Here we have expenditure in the order of $350 million a year, and the bill gives effect to those already budgeted commitments. But I want to put on record that this comes in the context of a cut of $11.8 billion to our international development assistance under the Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison governments over the last few years.</para>
<para>The Australian people think that we spend far more than we actually do spend on international aid. Some people think we literally spend 10 per cent of our national budget on foreign aid. We know that that is simply not true. We have a globalised world. As we shut our borders because of the COVID-19 pandemic we must remember that the health and safety of Australians is interwoven with the health and safety of other nations. International development aid is in our national interest. We can and must do more to ensure that we live in a peaceful, stable region and that countries, particularly those nearby in our region, do not sink into instability and chaos. There is drug-resistant tuberculosis coming in and out of Queensland. Even in our most narrow and selfish interest, it is in our interest to do more to support the countries to our north.</para>
<para>Poverty, of course, is a cause of these things. In poor countries with cramped living conditions and inadequate health systems, people are forced to work and, as a result, spread disease because these nations have no social safety net. We've certainly seen examples of that here as well. These are critical issues and highlight why debt relief and the development funds provided by this bill are so incredibly important. We don't want failed states on our doorstep. If you really want to take a hardline argument, foreign aid is cheaper than sending in the military.</para>
<para>Under this government, international development assistance is on track to fall to just 0.19 per cent of gross national income, and that is a disgrace. As I said before, $11.8 billion has been cut from the foreign aid budget. We are now at a record low percentage of GNI, and this is what our Prime Minister and this government are driving us towards. At the very time when we need to be more engaged in our region, we are cutting international development assistance.</para>
<para>These commitments in our ODA program advance Australia's interests and project our values but also tackle global poverty. With climate change we see an increasing need for humanitarian and aid assistance with rising natural disasters. We need to not just lift our game on mitigation—and, of course, that's a discussion for another day—but invest more in resilience and adaption. These are some of the very things that are funded in the multilateral organisations that we're discussing support for today.</para>
<para>Globally, as commentators have said, we have seen a deteriorating security environment which is challenging for the world. We are also yet to see the full impact of COVID-19 on developing nations. It's a virus that will have been spread around the world in considerable part by holiday-makers—more by wealthy people than by the large demographics of the poor in the developing world. Health systems in the developing world, which will be ill-equipped for this pandemic, have had this disease brought to them.</para>
<para>I want to pay special tribute to two organisations playing an important role in the response to COVID. They are also multilateral agencies like those we are discussing today. The Global Fund is providing a billion dollars in operational flexibility to help countries fight COVID-19. It's shoring up health systems and mitigating impacts on life-saving HIV, TB and malaria programs. Its emergency funding is available through its $500 million COVID response mechanism, and it's looked at how to make its funding more flexible in order to adapt to the COVID crisis. I want to also give a special shout-out to the global vaccine initiative.</para>
<para>I have to say that WHO—the World Health Organization—the global vaccine initiative and the Global Fund have been predicting pandemics for some time and have highlighted, indeed, why these pandemics are now more likely and why we need to be more prepared. I know that this government has attacked the World Health Organization at a difficult time, but it's interesting, because a lot of the international agencies have said that countries weren't as ready as we were told to be.</para>
<para>The triggers for a global pandemic include global travel and urbanisation. Climate change also contributes to pandemics. It can affect the spread of disease in a number of ways. It can alter the natural range of disease-carrying insects, like mosquitoes, or bats. So it's important to see that these multilateral bills that we are debating today also include commitments for the Global Environment Facility Trust Fund and the Multilateral Fund for the Implementation of the Montreal Protocol. The Special Climate Change Fund supports adaptation and technology transfer in developing countries that are party to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. So this is about both short- and long-term adaptation goals and things that very much support environmental management in developing nations. The Montreal Protocol, of course, is about substances that deplete the ozone layer. International cooperation has seen us take great steps in addressing depletion of the ozone layer, and it's really worth noting that ozone-layer-depleting substances are also greenhouse gases that vastly accelerate climate change.</para>
<para>As these multilateral organisations have also advised, increased human-animal contact is a driver for pandemics, as are health worker shortages. They've highlighted that those shortages are in part through migration, where you see countries like Australia pulling nurses and doctors out of developing nations to offer them employment. I would highlight that we have had this week the International Day of the Nurse, and I want to pay tribute to nurses all around the world, particularly those working in challenging circumstances in developing nations.</para>
<para>All of this shows how important global action is to health. In relation to a COVID-19 vaccine, I've been very pleased to see—again through multilateral discussions where international communities come together—$352 million committed to the European-led coronavirus vaccine research fund. That money will be spent and coordinated internationally to accelerate the search for a vaccine. We can see those multilateral organisations—the World Health Organization, the global vaccine alliance and the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations—and pledges from many countries coming together to really make a strong commitment to finding a vaccine for COVID-19. All of this highlights very much why this kind of multilateral cooperation is so critical for Australia's national interests and for everyone around the world. Fifteen million dollars from Australia is going to European research institutes, the Foundation for Innovative New Diagnostics, the Doherty Institute—</para>
<para>Debate interrupted.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</title>
        <page.no>64</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>JobKeeper Payment</title>
          <page.no>64</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>13:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Cormann. ABS labour force figures released today show that 2.7 million Australian workers either lost their job or had less work in April—one out of every five Australian workers. These are truly devastating figures and indicate just how difficult the past few weeks have been for millions of Australians and their families. Minister, 600,000 people have lost their job in the past month, the largest fall ever recorded. In light of these confronting numbers, is the government prepared to reconsider the eligibility criteria for JobKeeper so that more people can remain in employment?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:00</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Let me first, of course, recognise these are devastating figures; they're not entirely unanticipated, but they are devastating. That is, of course, why the government has put very significant support measures in place to keep as many Australians connected to their employer as possible during this period, and about six million Australians are now benefitting from the support provided through JobKeeper, and indeed 1.6 million Australians are receiving enhanced support through the enhanced jobseeker arrangements.</para>
<para>As a result of the measures that we have taken, while these numbers are devastating—of course they are—the Australian position, the position for working families around Australia, is much better than it is in many other parts of the world, where the health effect has been more devastating and where the economic impact of the coronavirus has been more devastating. I know that that is cold comfort to those who are facing difficulties through this period. We absolutely understand that. But we are doing the best we can, and the JobKeeper program has been designed in a very, very generous way in order to support six million Australians who are now taking advantage of the opportunities through that program.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Gallagher, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you. So I take it you won't reconsider. Today's figures show that underemployment rose to a record rate of 13.7 per cent, with over 1.8 million Australians being underemployed, and almost 500,000 left the labour force altogether. What would the unemployment rate be if nearly half a million Australians hadn't simply given up looking for work entirely?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think that in the circumstances it is not surprising that the workforce participation rate has deceased. It was at a record high, or close to a record high, at 66 per cent, in March. It has reduced to 63.5 per cent, which is still rather high in the circumstances.</para>
<para>As Treasury has indicated, the expectation is for unemployment to continue to rise through to the June quarter to about 10 per cent. If we had not provided the supports that we have provided through the JobKeeper package in particular and other measures, unemployment was expected to rise to 15 per cent, which is where it is at in many other jurisdictions. In many other jurisdictions it is 15 per cent and higher, up to more than 20 per cent in some cases. Nobody will be surprised that this is a difficult period. We all know that. We're dealing with a major global health pandemic, and we're doing the best we can to help the Australian community through it.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Gallagher, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Isn't it the case that, if the government had acted sooner and provided JobKeeper for more Australians, such as the 1.1 million casuals who've been with their employers for less than 12 months, these figures wouldn't be as devastating as they are today? Could the government have acted to protect more jobs?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I think that is an unreasonable proposition. We are dealing with an unbelievably hard-hitting global health pandemic, with devastating impacts all around the world. In Australia, by any objective measure—I wouldn't expect the opposition to be objective; we can understand why the opposition is throwing rocks at those that are making the decisions. I understand that that is the way that you go about these things. But the truth is, in dealing with this, we are winning the fight against the virus and we are putting ourselves in a position where we can start easing restrictions and start getting the economy growing again so that businesses around Australia can start hiring people again and so that Australians can again be in a position to build sustainable livelihoods and lift their living standards, and here you are continuing to nitpick in a partisan fashion. It's rather disappointing.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Employment</title>
          <page.no>65</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ABETZ</name>
    <name.id>N26</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Employment, Skills, Small and Family Business, Senator Cash. Can the minister update the Senate on the Australian labour force figures for the month of April? Further, what steps is the Liberal-National coalition government taking to contain the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic on employment?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:05</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Abetz for the question. As the Prime Minister said in his address to the nation today, this is a very tough day for so many Australians, and some very difficult news for all of us. As the Minister for Finance has said, though, COVID-19 is a health and economic shock the likes of which not just Australia but the world has never seen. The government knew that the impact of COVID-19 on the economy would result in job losses. Today's jobs figures saw the number of jobs decrease by 594,300 in the month of April. We went from record employment of 13 million Australians in March to 12.4 million due to the impact of COVID-19. As a result, what we've seen today is the unemployment rate rise to 6.2 per cent. We also saw the participation rate, which was at a near record high again, at 66 cent in March, fall to 63.5 per cent. Again, as the Prime Minister said, those Australians who have lost their jobs are our fellow Australians; they're our family members, our friends and our neighbours. Given that significant parts of the Australian economy are still in lockdown—they are subject to those COVID-19 restrictions—today's figures are not surprising, but they clearly do show the difficult situation being faced by so many Australians. Today's unemployment figures would have been far higher, though, if the government had not introduced its $130 billion JobKeeper program, which the Prime Minister also announced today now covers six million workers.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Abetz, supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:07</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ABETZ</name>
    <name.id>N26</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>What action has the government taken to help secure the employment opportunities of our fellow Australians?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:08</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As the parliament would be aware, the government has put in place $320 billion in economic support measures to get through and past the COVID-19 crisis. This includes the JobKeeper payment, which now covers around six million Australians, the expansion of the JobSeeker payment, access to superannuation, and, of course, direct financial support to families. When we look at Australia's investment, in terms of a percentage of GDP our investment is at the top of the leaderboard globally, showing that we are as prepared as we can be, in terms of other countries. Again, as the Prime Minister has confirmed today, the $130 billion JobKeeper payment now supports over six million employees staying connected to their employer.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Abetz, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ABETZ</name>
    <name.id>N26</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you for that answer, Minister. Turning to the long term, what plans will the government implement to restore our economic fortunes, support small business, the engine room of jobs growth, and, most importantly, get Australians back into employment?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para> (—) (): The ability for the government to respond in the way that it has with the $320 billion support measures really has reminded Australians of the importance of a strong and stable financial position. The path to recovery is by growing the economy—as the Prime Minister and the Minister for Finance himself have said—through productivity enhancing reforms and, of course, supporting small and family businesses. The focus of our recovery will be on practical solutions, including reskilling and upskilling the workforce, maintaining our $100 billion ten-year infrastructure pipeline. Infrastructure does create jobs. But there is the important cutting of red tape, to reduce the cost burden on businesses and on the economy. There is a long road ahead. No doubt there will be further challenges, but we are prepared to face them. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Bushfires</title>
          <page.no>65</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Cormann. This week, the Prime Minister described his government's bushfire recovery work as 'sensational' and 'tremendous'. Troy Pauling of Yowrie, who is still living with his family in a caravan and shed, near the uncleared ruins of their burnt-down home, says, 'The kids cry. They don't want to be here. If we got this cleared we'd have the ball rolling. But it's just way too slow.' what does the Prime Minister have to say to Mr Pauling?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:11</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Clearly, the bushfire crisis was devastating for the impacted communities, and continues to be devastating. There's no question. But the Australian government, working with relevant state governments, is doing everything we can to provide appropriate levels of support. Over $271 million was paid directly to families and individuals in direct support. over $237 million was paid to more than 195,000 eligible individuals in disaster recovery payments and disaster recovery allowances, as at 13 May. Over $33 million in payments was made for over 3,000 impacted children. There are many other things that we have done. But nothing that I can say—and, you know, Senator Watt is not asking this question out of genuine, sincere concern. He's asking this question—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Wong?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Wong</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That is a clear imputation. I ask that it to be withdrawn.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>For the operation of question time, I will ask Senator Cormann to withdraw.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I withdraw. Let me make this point: no amount of politicking in this chamber will help those families that are continuing to be severely impacted by the effects of bushfires. We are doing everything we can. We are working as hard as we can, bearing in mind that many of the lead responsibilities for these matters are at the state level. But we are doing everything we can. We are providing financial support as fast as we can. We have set up the Bushfire Recovery Agency, we have put in place the Bushfire Recovery Fund, and we are providing supports, working together with the relevant state governments, as fast and as effectively as possible.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Watt, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This week, the Prime Minister said the government's bushfire recovery work is being done 'methodically and steadily and Australians are seeing that in action'. What does the Prime Minister say to Mr Jim Neil of Cobargo, who is still living in a donated caravan that leaks sewerage on the dirt patch that used to be his home?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:13</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, I say the same as I said in the primary answer. Of course there are still continuing devastating impacts from the bushfire crisis. That is practically unavoidable. We are working our way through these things in a way that is methodical and we are going through it as fast as we can. We have provided significant levels of support and more support will be provided over the coming weeks and months.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Watt, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Figures released by the government just this week showed that five months on from the height of the bushfires, less than $260 million of the Prime Minister's $2 billion Bushfire Recovery Fund has actually been spent. To quote a hand-painted sign in Bega: '$2 billion bushfire fund—where is it?' Why is the Prime Minister more concerned with marketing and spin than with actually helping bushfire victims?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:14</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Watt is not going to help those communities through his political spin. We put in place a $2 billion fund, which came on top of all of the disaster recovery support provided into the community. We put in place a $2 billion fund, over two calendar years, for the bushfire recovery. There was the immediate disaster response, and, when I went through the numbers for expenditures on that, all I was told was, 'Why are you just giving us numbers?' Well, I say them again. There was $271 million to families and individuals, and over $237 million paid to 193,000 eligible individuals in disaster recovery payments and disaster recovery allowance. By the end of June, we will have spent about $1 billion out of the $2 billion fund. In the first six months of a two-year program, we will have spent about half.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>National COVID-19 Coordination Commission</title>
          <page.no>66</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Cormann. Minister, are you confident that the COVID-19 commission is free of conflicts of interests when it comes to proposals on energy investments? Isn't it true that donations from the fossil fuel industry to the major parties have more than doubled in the last four years, that the commission is jam-packed full of fossil fuel boosters, that there are no binding rules to address conflicts of interest and that advice from the commission to government will be kept secret? Where is the transparency?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I say again today what I said yesterday. The COVID-19 Coordination Commission is made up of a number of distinguished Australians who know how to manage conflicts, and I have every confidence that they will continue to manage conflicts as appropriate.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Waters, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Given your government's spruiking of toxic methane gas and your COVID commission's obvious bias, are we at risk of a gas rush that will fuel the climate crisis and put Australians at risk? Why are you willing to listen to the health experts on the COVID crisis but not to the climate experts on the climate emergency?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:16</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm trying to find a way to translate that question—at least, I think there was a question mark at the end. If you're asking me whether I hope that we will boost the exploration and production of gas so that our businesses, particularly our manufacturing businesses, around Australia can have reliable access to more affordable and more competitively priced supplies of gas, then the answer is a resounding yes, of course. I hope that will be the case. If the COVID-19 Coordination Commission can help to bring that about, that will be good for the economy and it will be good for working families around Australia because it will help us to be more successful in competing with exporting businesses from other parts of the world. I hope that that is what you were asking and that I've answered the right question.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Waters, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:17</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Last night the government was forced into an embarrassing clarification that the chair of the COVID commission is being paid not half a million dollars but a quarter of a million dollars for the six months. Is the government embarrassed that it is paying these obscenely high amounts to an unelected body stacked with fossil fuel mates, while it excludes half a million young people from JobKeeper and it is intending to drop jobseeker back below the poverty line in September?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Firstly, let me correct Senator Waters. The chair of the COVID commission is not getting a salary. Following the announcement of the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission, the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet undertook work to establish an arrangement to cover the assessed likely expenses of the chair and a suitable per diem for the commissioners. Neither the Prime Minister nor his office was involved in the establishment of these arrangements—and, as you have indicated, the department has provided a further statement, following the Senate committee hearing that you reference. Mr Power's flights, accommodation and other incidental travel costs are being covered, in his role as NCCC chair. However, he is not receiving a salary. In developing and executing Mr Power's contract, Prime Minister and Cabinet has estimated travel costs to and from Canberra, and he does come from Perth. We are a big continent, and people from Western Australia should also be allowed to participate— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Freedom of Information</title>
          <page.no>67</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:19</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Leader of the Government in the Senate and Minister representing the Prime Minister. Is it not the case that, in the course of January, the Prime Minister received at least five purportedly secret briefings from his department on the coronavirus outbreak? Is it not the case that the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has refused to release any of those five briefings? Is it not the case that access under FOI has been totally refused—not one word has been released? Given the government's declaration that it would be completely transparent with the Senate Select Committee on COVID-19 and with the Australian public, will the Leader of the Government in the Senate consult with the Prime Minister and seek the prompt release of the briefings to better inform the investigation of the select committee?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It won't surprise Senator Patrick to hear me say that, in relation to the specific items he's raised, I will have to take that part on notice, as I am not personally aware of all of the details that he has read out. In terms of the general point, I would put it to Senator Patrick that this government is being entirely open and transparent with the COVID committee—the senate select committee that is a COVID response by the government—in a way that is consistent with the usual rules, conventions, processes and standards applied by previous governments. Certain matters are exempt from disclosure—for example, things relating to the deliberative processes of cabinet. But, subject to those qualifications, of course I'll take on notice what Senator Patrick has asked about and I'll return to the chamber with that when I can.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Patrick, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade has delayed FOI decisions on the release of DFAT cables sent from our embassy in Beijing in January reporting on the COVID-19 outbreak in China. It's also the case that the health department has moved to obstruct FOI releases of the initial coronavirus modelling in assessments received by the government on 13 February and 3 March. Given the public interest in fully understanding these events, will you take on representing to the relevant ministers— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Again, I don't think it will surprise Senator Patrick to hear me say that, in terms of the specifics, I will take that on notice. I am not aware of the specific FOI requests he raises. Senator Patrick would also be aware that there are laws that provide for how these matters are to be handled, and there are appropriate review processes in place. I know for a fact that he extensively takes advantage of these processes and opportunities that are available to him, but I will take the specifics of that question on notice.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Patrick, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PATRICK</name>
    <name.id>144292</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The government has rightly called on China to be more transparent about the origins of the COVID-19 outbreak. The government also wants the World Health Organization's performance to be scrutinised. Wouldn't these calls on China and the World Health Organization be much stronger and much less exposed to the charge of hypocrisy if the government itself implemented full transparency about its own response to the pandemic?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:22</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Again, our government is highly open and transparent as appropriate, bearing in mind relevant national interests and legal considerations in the same way as governments of both political persuasions have done in the past.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Women</title>
          <page.no>68</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is for the Minister for Women, Senator Payne. Can the minister advise of the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on women?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:23</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Stoker for her question. The COVID-19 pandemic is affecting the lives of women and men differently. And today's job figures do reinforce this: of the jobs lost in the month to 20 April, 55 per cent of those had been held by women, and that reflects the fact that many less secure jobs are held by women, and women are over-represented in occupations strongly affected by some of our very necessary physical distancing measures. I note that women's workforce participation has also fallen by 2.9 percentage points to 58.4 per cent.</para>
<para>The demand for unpaid care work, which we know disproportionately affects women's ability to undertake paid employment, has risen with children needing home schooling, and with the increased care needs of elderly Australians as well. However, as a government, we are very aware that women will be vital to the economic recovery. Australia needs everyone's full capabilities, both men and women, to ensure that recovery. That's why the government's introduction of the JobKeeper payment to help keep Australians employed is so important, as the Minister for Finance has reinforced today, particularly in ensuring women in seriously affected industries are supported through the pandemic. It's also why we also ensured that free early-childhood education and care for about a million families, no matter what type of service they use, was available in the pandemic. As the Treasurer said earlier this week, I would remind the chamber: 'We know that a strong economy is the foundation for everything else'. And women will be particularly critical to ensuring our economy remains strong as we emerge from this pandemic.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Stoker, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister advise the Senate of the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the risk of family and domestic violence, and advise of what the government is doing to address that risk?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:25</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para> (—) (): Senator Stoker asks a very serious question, because we know that major crisis events have, historically, led to an increased incidence of violence against women. As senators would be aware, the government has announced—Minister Ruston and I—$150 million in support for the COVID-19 domestic violence support package, funding that will help states and territories to meet immediate needs for crisis accommodation, frontline services and perpetrator intervention programs. And we've seen a number of those rolled out and announced by the states and territories in that context. To ensure that Australians know where to turn for support, we have also launched the Help is Here campaign, which provides that clear information on how Australians are able to access services at any time of the day or night. There are indicators of a greater need for services, most certainly. 1800 RESPECT has seen an increase in calls, particularly after midnight. The No to Violence Men's Referral Service experienced a very significant increase in demand after those community restrictions were announced. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Stoker, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister advise the Senate of what Australia is doing internationally to help women and girls through the coronavirus pandemic?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:26</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator PAYNE</name>
    <name.id>M56</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It is fair to say that the particular impacts of COVID-19 on women are of course not confined to Australia. I've had a number of valuable discussions with foreign and women's ministers around the world across many countries about the importance of ensuring that gender inequalities aren't exacerbated or entrenched by COVID-19, and these conversations are ongoing. Australia has also joined a number of strong international statements and resolutions that help to increase the focus in international bodies and conversations on promoting gender responsiveness to the pandemic. In our region, the Australian partnership Pacific Women is supporting crisis centres that are providing remote counselling and frontline services for vulnerable women, and through our Nabilan program we're working to prevent the spread of COVID-19 in women's shelters in Timor-Leste, in particular. With international partners such as UN Women we're adapting and boosting our efforts to address the impact on women in the Indo-Pacific region.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Pensions and Benefits</title>
          <page.no>69</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:27</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the minister representing the Minister for Health, Senator Cash. The only advice Minister Cormann could offer Darcy Moran, a hospitality worker suffering as a result of the Morrison government's refusal to include him and workers like him in JobKeeper was this: 'What we think would be fair to Darcy is if the state government in Victoria started easing restrictions.' Was Minister Cormann's advice—which is contrary to the decision of the national cabinet last Friday that states set out their own timetables—informed by health advice provided by the Minister for Health or his office?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Kitching for the question, but, Senator Kitching, I actually disagree with the premise of what you're putting. Senator Cormann was, of course, right to say that people who are currently unemployed will have more success in obtaining a job as each individual state and territory eases its COVID restrictions. That is the point that Senator Cormann was actually making. As Senator Cormann has so rightly said: we have a Labor Premier in Mark McGowan in Western Australia. We are moving, Senator Cormann, if I understand, to stage 2—to 20 people—as of Monday. That has been widely welcomed in Western Australia, but in particular by the hospitality industry, who know they are a step ahead of those states and territories that have not yet moved to 20 people. You look at what's happening in the Northern Territory and how that has been welcomed by people in the Northern Territory. So Senator Cormann was right: someone—in that case, a person who does not have a job—has more of a chance of getting a job, the faster that individual states open up their economies. That is what Senator Cormann was saying.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Kitching, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Was Minister Cormann relying on advice provided by the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee or other relevant public health agencies? Does the minister support Minister Cormann undermining the decisions of the national cabinet and the protections put in place by the Victorian government on advice from its public health authority?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Again, I have to completely reject the premise of the question because that is not the advice that was given. If a person does not have a job at this particular point in time—and that is a very sobering state for any person—it will be easier for them to get a job as we see the COVID-19 restrictions in individual states and territories ease. Senator Cormann also said, though—and this is absolutely based on the health advice—that those restrictions need to be eased and businesses need to open in a COVID-safe way.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Kitching, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KITCHING</name>
    <name.id>247512</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Does Minister Cormann's outburst against the Victorian government reflect the Morrison government's position or will he also be forced to issue a statement of withdrawal, like Minister Tehan did only hours after his outburst on <inline font-style="italic">Insiders</inline>?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can I say: based on outbursts that I have seen from people in this chamber, there was no outburst by Senator Cormann yesterday.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Youth Mental Health</title>
          <page.no>70</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Youth and Sport, Senator Colbeck. Can the minister outline what the Morrison coalition government is doing to support young Australians as they face the mental health challenges of the coronavirus pandemic?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Smith for his question. We know that a significant number of young Australians are experiencing the mental health impacts of coronavirus. Last week mental health organisation Reach Out revealed that unprecedented numbers of young people have sought mental health support during the COVID-19 pandemic so far, with services increasing by 50 per cent since this time last year.</para>
<para>Our government is determined to ensure that mental health support is available and accessible for every young Australian in Australia. We know that mental health doesn't discriminate. The message I want all Australians, particularly young Australians, to hear is that support and help is available. That's why on 29 March the Prime Minister announced a $1.1 billion package that included a boost for mental health services during COVID-19. It included $10 million towards a dedicated coronavirus wellbeing support line delivered by Beyond Blue, which commenced on 6 April; $6.8 million to help young Australians with their education and training and prepare them for the workforce by expanding the headspace digital work and study service to provide employment study support; and funding to enhance the Find a Psychologist website to help all Australians, including our youth, better locate psychologist and telehealth services available to them.</para>
<para>In addition, yesterday Minister Hunt announced a new deputy commissioner of health solely dedicated to mental health. This exemplifies our government's strong support for and commitment to tackle the issue of mental health in this country. Earlier in the year we also announced $76 million in mental health packages to support Australians affected by the bushfires. We continue to support young Australians as they go through these challenges.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Smith, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm sure everyone in the Senate chamber will acknowledge the great work that Reach Out does, as do other mental health service providers. Minister, what support is the government providing directly to young Australians during these challenging times?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:34</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>During question time today and earlier, we heard, as the unemployment figures were released, the very sobering job figures we are experiencing as we move through the COVID-19 crisis. In the youth sense, the figures are up from 11.6 per cent to 13.8 per cent. That's why the government has moved to temporarily expand eligibility for income support payments and establish a new time-limited coronavirus supplement. This will be paid both to existing and new recipients of income support programs, including the jobseeker payment and youth allowance amongst others. Many of these payments will be primarily directed towards young Australians. The JobKeeper payments currently support almost 5.5 million employees to stay connected to their employer. As of last week we are supporting almost 13,000 employers to retain 22,000 young apprentices through a wage subsidy.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Smith, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator DEAN SMITH</name>
    <name.id>241710</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Minister, what more can young Australians be doing to assist in the flattening of the curve and combating this pandemic?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator COLBECK</name>
    <name.id>00AOL</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Firstly, can I thank all young Australians for their efforts to date in working with health authorities, state governments and the Australian government to flatten the curve. Our actions have slowed the spread of coronavirus and made a huge impact on our capacity to start bringing the economy back. I encourage all young Australians to download the COVIDSafe app. It's our capacity to track, our capacity to trace and our capacity to test that will assist state governments and the Australian government to open the economy back up, provide opportunities for jobs and assist all young Australians to return to the things that they love, whether it be sport, arts or music. I urge all young Australians to join the rest of us who have downloaded the COVIDSafe app to assist—</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order, Senator Colbeck!</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Superannuation</title>
          <page.no>70</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:36</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Treasurer, Senator Cormann. I refer to reports in <inline font-style="italic">The Australian Financial Review</inline> that the superannuation accounts of close to 100,000 Australians have been emptied of their retirement savings as a result of the Morrison government's early-access scheme. <inline font-style="italic">The Australian Financial Review</inline>reports that these accounts are most likely those of younger Australians. Can the minister explain what the long-term impact of reduced retirement savings and foregone earnings as a result of the government program will be for the retirement income of those Australians?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The first answer that I would provide is that these Australians are accessing their own money under arrangements that we put in place. The average withdrawal is about $8,000, and it is individual Australians, including young Australians, exercising their judgement—their own personal judgement—on how to deal in their circumstances with the implications on them of this one-in-100-year event.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Ayres on a point of order.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Ayres</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>On relevance: the question was very straightforward. What is the impact on those 100,000 Australians' retirement incomes?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That was the conclusion of your question. The minister can be directly relevant while directly addressing the subject matter of any part of the Pacific Security Maritime Program question, including the preamble. I'm listening carefully but I think, with respect, the minister is being directly relevant to the question and the preamble.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I can't remember an occasion where I would have been more directly relevant to a question than this occasion, Mr President! I'm always directly relevant, of course, but I can't remember an occasion when I was more directly relevant than on this occasion, so that was a rather spurious point of order. Just to come to the second part of the question, as the good senator of course did acknowledge, these are younger Australians and younger Australians will be in the workforce longer and will have the opportunity to catch up in terms of their retirement savings, which is a very important point. But right now they are able to use their own money through a system that we put in place to deal with an unprecedented challenge in their personal circumstances, and Australians overwhelmingly have embraced this opportunity.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ayres, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister confirm that, months after the declaration of the COVID-19 pandemic, the largest single financial support to Australians in need has been the $11 billion that struggling Australians have been forced to raid from their personal retirement savings?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:39</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>No. No, I cannot confirm that. There is $130 billion in JobKeeper, for starters. And, of course—</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Watt interjecting—</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Watt seems to suggest that we should put it all out in one go. That is what Senator Watt seems to suggest. 'Let's just put $130 billion out in one go—bang!' But, of course, a lot of support has gone out. We've put the details of that on the public record. I'm prepared on notice to provide an updated detailed account of all of the support that has gone into the community.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Ayres, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator AYRES</name>
    <name.id>16913</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Why has the government forced up to 100,000 Australians to raid their retirement savings instead of providing Australians with timely and adequate support during this crisis?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>We have not forced any Australians to do anything. We have empowered individual Australians to make their own decisions. It is up to them. They are using their own money. They're exercising their own free judgement. It is an important measure to complement the very significant support that we have put in place through an effective doubling of jobseeker support and, of course, our $130 billion JobKeeper program, providing support to six million Australians. Quite frankly, that question is completely out of touch.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Defence Cooperation Program</title>
          <page.no>71</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:41</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCARR</name>
    <name.id>282997</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister for Defence, Senator Reynolds. Can the minister outline how Defence is using its Defence Cooperation Program to support international partners to respond to the coronavirus pandemic?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp></time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you very much, Senator Scarr, for that question. I am very proud that this government is committed to supporting all our friends and security partners with their responses to COVID-19. Our ADF and also our Defence personnel have been working side by side with their Pacific counterparts as we address this global pandemic together.</para>
<para>I've pivoted and stepped up our defence cooperation programs across the region to meet the changing security needs of our partners. I remain in very close contact with my international counterparts to coordinate our own responses to COVID-19 and also to deal with the geostrategic challenges that this pandemic is only serving to intensify. Defence has rolled out very successful online training packages to prepare our own ADF personnel to conduct medical support tasks. We've already pivoted and provided this training package to 19 friends and neighbours, and it's been translated already into Bahasa and into Vietnamese, with some more to follow.</para>
<para>In the Pacific, I redirected $18 million worth of Defence funding to address immediate health, economic and security impact of COVID-19 in the region. We're leveraging an existing contract for aerial surveillance under the Pacific Security Maritime Program to support the movements of supplies through the Pacific and also to Timor Leste in the humanitarian corridor, so ably led by our foreign minister. In Papua New Guinea we have 40 ADF members working alongside their PNG counterparts, providing technical advice, specialist equipment and also training.</para>
<para>Our Defence advisers also across the region are supporting a range of tasks, including strategic, maritime and airlift, to support the PNG Defence Force operations and the refurbishment of critical infrastructure and capabilities. We all, again, should be very proud of our ADF and their support to our region.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Scarr, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCARR</name>
    <name.id>282997</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister inform the Senate what support Defence has provided to Pacific island countries, specifically in response to Tropical Cyclone Harold?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:43</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Tropical Cyclone Harold was indeed devastating to a number of nations in our immediate region. Australia's defence forces, like they so often do, are playing an important role to assist our Pacific family respond to Tropical Cyclone Harold, just as their own troops stood side by side with our ADF during our own 'black summer'. It's this mateship and also our solidarity, both in the good times and the bad times, that makes our region so strong.</para>
<para>The Morrison government remains resolutely committed to strengthening Australia's longstanding relationships in the Pacific through ADF assistance in support of our friends and our neighbours. To date, the Royal Australian Air Force has conducted three emergency relief flights to Vanuatu and another four to Fiji. These flights have delivered tonnes of life-saving supplies and assistance, including shelter kits and tents, utensils, blankets, lanterns and water containers. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Scarr, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:44</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCARR</name>
    <name.id>282997</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the Minister outline why our defence partnerships in the South Pacific are of such high importance to Australia.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:45</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator REYNOLDS</name>
    <name.id>250216</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>There has never been a more important time for Australia to stand side by side with our near neighbours. Together, we are tackling the scourge of the COVID-19 pandemic. As we continue to address COVID-19 at home, we are standing by our region and assisting them to manage shared health, security and the economic impacts of COVID-19. Being there for each other in challenging and uncertain times goes to the heart of our Pacific Step-up. Australia's COVID-19 response builds on the Morrison government's Pacific Step-up, which continues to grow regional economies, which continues to build resilience and which continues to enhance regional stability through your defence, policing and border security cooperation. The Pacific is our home, and Australia's engagement in the Pacific remains one of our highest priorities in these challenging times.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19</title>
          <page.no>72</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Cormann. When did the Chief Medical Officer first brief the cabinet in relation to COVID-19?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator Wong for that question. I believe it's a matter of public record that the National Incident Room was activated on 20 January, and the first briefing would have happened sometime before that; I can't recall the specific date. I'm happy to take that part of the question on notice. But I think that we've been entirely open and transparent along the way, and the Prime Minister has taken the Australian people into his confidence every step of the way. It was a rapidly evolving situation. We were one of the first countries in the world to put in place border restrictions effective from 1 February for any non-Australian travellers returning from mainland China. We were one of the first, I believe, to declare this a pandemic. But, in terms of the specific question that was asked, as I've indicated, it would have been sometime before the activation of the National Incident Room, which has been publicly announced as having happened on 20 January.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Wong, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>When they moved to establish the COVID-19 select committee, the minister told the Senate, 'We welcome the scrutiny. We do believe there is a need for scrutiny. We understand and appreciate that.' The Prime Minister's own department has now on two occasions refused to answer the question: when did the Chief Medical Officer first brief the cabinet in relation to COVID-19? Given that question includes neither content about deliberations nor anything else cabinet-in-confidence, can the minister please provide the answer as to the date?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Let me say up-front that I absolutely stand by the statement that I made. I wasn't at the hearing that Senator Wong references. I've already taken that part of the question on notice and I will get back to the chamber when I can.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Wong, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WONG</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This is a once-in-a-century pandemic. It has unprecedented health and economic impacts on the nation. Australians deserve to know how the government responded to the threat of this pandemic. Can the minister explain why the Prime Minister's own department has refused to answer this simple and factual question? What are they seeking to hide?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I reject the premise of the question. We're not seeking to hide anything. I think Senator Wong completely ignored the answers that I've given to the first two questions, including that I undertook to take that part of the question on notice.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Energy</title>
          <page.no>73</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:48</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McDONALD</name>
    <name.id>123072</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Energy and Emissions Reduction, Senator Birmingham. Can the minister update the Senate on how the Morrison government is investing in hydrogen as part of Australia's energy future?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator McDonald for her question. I know that she prides Australia's reputation as a longstanding reliable supplier of energy, not just for our country but to the world and, like all on this side, is committed to ensuring that Australia continues to be that successful supplier of energy to the world. That's why the Morrison government is committed to delivering affordable and reliable electricity to the Australian people and, indeed, to the rest of the world. Hydrogen, we recognise, has the potential to be an important part of our future energy mix and a large new potential export industry for Australia. We have worked under the leadership of the Chief Scientist and in cooperation with all state and territories on the landmark National Hydrogen Strategy. The strategy will see governments and industries realise Australia's potential, building on our ability and our comparative advantage in the potential production of hydrogen.</para>
<para>Our government has backed hydrogen production to the tune of over half a billion dollars. This includes over $150 million committed to research, pilots, trials and demonstrations, $70 million in funding for electrolysis related projects and now adding some $300 million for the new Advancing Hydrogen Fund. This new fund will finance projects focused on growing a clean, innovative and competitive hydrogen industry in Australia. It is the government's first financing fund dedicated specifically to hydrogen projects. The fund will back projects that align with priorities under the National Hydrogen Strategy in areas such as advancing hydrogen production, developing export and domestic supply chains, establishing hydrogen hubs and backing projects that build domestic demand for hydrogen. The government has also set, critically, an economic goal for hydrogen to be produced at or less than $2 per kilogram. At this price, hydrogen starts to compete with alternatives in large-scale energy deployment across our energy system and becomes a commercial opportunity in its own right, which is absolutely— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McDonald, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McDONALD</name>
    <name.id>123072</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister advise the Senate of the export opportunities this offers Australia?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Our country prides itself on being a long-term reliable and affordable supplier of energy, not just in Australia but, critically, across the region and the world. The hydrogen industry, like those that have come before it such as LNG, has the ability to make a tremendous positive impact both here at home and overseas from cheaper energy bills and job creation in regional Australia to playing a role in reducing global emissions, both at home and in countries that would buy Australian-produced hydrogen. As part of the National Hydrogen Strategy we're aiming to build Australia's hydrogen industry into a global export industry by 2030. Australia is uniquely placed to develop a thriving clean hydrogen market over the coming decades, similar to the scale of the LNG industry. Hydrogen technology has the capacity to meet the needs of Japan and the Republic of Korea, which have made ambitious hydrogen commitments and signalled they will be important importers of hydrogen from 2030. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McDonald, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McDONALD</name>
    <name.id>123072</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister inform the Senate how the government is focused on the development of new technologies like hydrogen?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:52</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Australian Hydrogen Strategy indicates that the industry could generate more than 8,000 jobs, many in regional Australia, and generate over $11 billion a year in GDP by 2050. That's why we're working with industry, researchers and international partners who are willing to invest and work towards the delivery of the roadmap. We're also supporting innovative projects across the nation, including in Queensland, I'm pleased to say, Senator McDonald. Just last week, we announced $1.1 million in funding to build a modular demonstration plant.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Whish-Wilson, on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Whish-Wilson</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, on a point of order, Mr President. The minister so far hasn't mentioned whether it's hydrogen from renewable energy or from fossil fuels.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order, Senator Whish-Wilson. It's Thursday afternoon, but that's not even close. Senator Birmingham to continue.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>As I was saying, I'm pleased, for Senator McDonald and Queensland senators, to highlight that just last week we announced $1.1 million to build a modular demonstration plant at Wallumbilla. The plant will produce around 620 kilograms of hydrogen per year, which will be converted into 74 gigajoules of renewable methane. We've also invested $1.25 million in a feasibility study for a renewable hydrogen demonstration project at Stanwell Power Station in Rockhampton. This type of innovative work is exactly what we need to see our domestic hydrogen industry grow.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>JobKeeper Payment</title>
          <page.no>74</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:53</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KENEALLY</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Minister Cormann. It was revealed in corrected evidence to the Senate Select Committee on COVID-19 that the Prime Minister's handpicked chair of the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission, former Fortescue Metals chief executive, Nev Power, will receive a taxpayer funded package of more than $267,000 over six months. Can the minister inform the Senate how much income support a mother of three children who had been casually employed for 11 months and is excluded from the government's JobKeeper scheme and forced to rely on jobseeker will receive over six months?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:54</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>A single mother in that circumstance will receive the COVID supplement, which effectively doubles the jobseeker support throughout this period. So we've effectively doubled government support through that period. In relation to Mr Power—and referencing back to the answer I provided to Senator Waters—he's not receiving a salary. He does come from Western Australia and there are some costs, obviously, in terms of travel, accommodation and other—</para>
<para>Opposition senators interjecting—</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>That is not something that has been negotiated by the government. An arrangement has been put in place by the Prime Minister's department, without the involvement of either the Prime Minister or his office. The department has provided appropriate information in relation to these matters.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Keneally, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KENEALLY</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>A Gold Coast scaffolder who's worked crew to crew and company to company for almost 13 years has been excluded from the government's JobKeeper scheme because he'd only been with his current employer as a casual since September. What does the minister have to say to this worker, his wife and five children who face living on just $125 a week on jobseeker after their rent is paid?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Again, anyone who is on jobseeker will be receiving the COVID supplement, which effectively doubles the level of support. In those circumstances, it sounds to me that they are likely to also be eligible for other welfare support, like, potentially, rental assistance or a family tax benefit payment. In fact, the person that you reference in your first question, similarly, would be eligible, on the face of it, to a number of other welfare support payments.</para>
<para>This is a difficult period, but I can see that there is an attempt here to smear a distinguished Australian who is providing great service to Australia and is doing an extremely important job for Australia as we ensure that we are in the best possible position to recover strongly on the other side and who has been working with others—including Mr Combet, incidentally—to solve a whole series of problems to help make people's lives easier all around Australia.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Keneally, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator KENEALLY</name>
    <name.id>LNW</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Can the minister explain how the Morrison government justifies paying more than $267,000 of taxpayer money to a former mining executive for six months work while casuals employed for less than a year—local government workers, university staff and teachers, temporary workers, disability worker and arts and entertainment workers—have been deliberately and wilfully excluded from the JobKeeper scheme?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:57</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>This is a disappointing return to Labor's 'let's turn people against each other' type of attitude.</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Keneally interjecting—</para>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>And, yes, she's laughing. We could go through a whole series of jobs and a whole series of people who do great work for Australia and how much they are remunerated. We could go through all sorts of public servants that are doing important jobs and how they are remunerated. The arrangements are entirely appropriate. Mr Power and the commissioners on the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission are doing very important work in our national interest.</para>
</continue>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! Senator Wong, on a point of order?</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Wong</name>
    <name.id>00AOU</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>My point of order is on direct relevant. The question is how the minister can justify $267,000—apparently not a salary but just cost reimbursement—being paid to somebody, given the people who the government is excluding to JobKeeper.</para>
</interjection>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I've allowed you to restate the question. It was particularly broad in its nature, and an answer can be commensurately broad. Senator Cormann.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm aware that Ms Stephanie Foster, from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, went forensically, in some detail, through all of these processes, which is appropriate given that it is the Prime Minister's department that has entered into those arrangements. It was not something that was organised at the ministerial level of government.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19 Relief and Recovery Fund</title>
          <page.no>75</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>My question is to the Minister representing the Minister for Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Development, Senator Cash. Can the minister inform the Senate how the Liberal-National government is supporting regional communities and industries during the coronavirus pandemic through the COVID-19 Relief and Recovery Fund?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>14:59</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I thank Senator McKenzie for her question and acknowledge her passion for, in particular, rural and regional Australia. Senator McKenzie, as you well know, regional Australians are incredibly resilient. Whether it's the drought, whether it's the bushfires, whether it's the floods which actually followed the bushfires, and obviously now with the impact of COVID-19, regional Australians come through all of these challenges. Why? Because of their resilience and because of their fighting spirit.</para>
<para>The Liberal-National government is proud to support rural and regional Australia. It's in our DNA, as Senator McKenzie well knows. We have recently established the $1 billion COVID-19 Relief and Recovery Fund to support regions, communities and industry sectors that have been disproportionately affected by COVID-19. Through the fund, the Commonwealth is providing timely support when and where it is most critically needed. Over $600 million has already been committed, supporting industries including aviation, agriculture, fisheries, tourism and the arts.</para>
<para>These measures include: support for regional aviation under our $100 million Regional Airlines Funding Assistance Program and the $198 million Regional Airline Network Support Program; relief for federally managed fisheries through the waiving of nearly $10 million in levies; air freight support for the agriculture, fisheries and forestry industries to help businesses during this time export produce into key overseas markets when return flights bring back vital medical supplies, medicines and equipment; and funding for vulnerable areas of the arts sector, including help for regional artists and organisations. The Liberal-National government is proud to support regional and rural Australia.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKenzie, a supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Well, that gives us much to be proud of, Senator Cash. Thank you. How will this package, along with the Liberal-National government's $100 billion 10-year Infrastructure Investment Pipeline support job creation and economic activity that will be essential to Australia's economic recovery from the coronavirus crisis?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:01</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The Liberal-National government is of course committed to supporting jobs and the economy at this critical time, including jobs in the construction and building supply chain. It is a well-known fact that infrastructure is a key enabler of the economy. It supports economic activity, it sustains employment and it drives long-term productivity. It will be essential to our economic recovery once the health crisis passes.</para>
<para>Road and rail projects currently underway are expected to support up to 85,000 direct and indirect jobs over the lifetime of the projects. We're also working, as you know, with state and territory and local governments to get additional projects underway, and works are commencing in some corridors. Since coming to government, more than 300 major projects have been completed, and those projects created jobs.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>I0Q</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator McKenzie, a final supplementary question?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:02</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Is the minister aware of any projects that demonstrate the job-creating potential of the Liberal-National government's Infrastructure Investment Pipeline?</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:03</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CASH</name>
    <name.id>I0M</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, I am. Our infrastructure investment is vital to Australia's immediate and long-term economic prosperity. There are around 160 projects currently underway across our great nation that are improving safety, improving productivity and, of course, creating jobs. These include high-profile examples like the Western Sydney International Airport, Senator Payne, and the 1,700 kilometres of Inland Rail projects. There are of course more. The government has brought forward and invested new funding of more than half a billion dollars of road projects that will drive jobs, strengthen the economy and get people home sooner and safer, including in regional Victoria. $370 million of the new package was planned to be spent in just the next 18 months to get these projects done. Senator McKenzie, we're working harder to ensure that, even with the impacts of COVID-19, this— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator Cormann</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm sure everyone is very disappointed, but I ask that further questions be placed on the <inline font-style="italic">Notice Paper</inline>.</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS</title>
        <page.no>76</page.no>
        <type>QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>JobKeeper Payment</title>
          <page.no>76</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:04</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the answer given by the Minister for Finance (Senator Cormann) to a question without notice asked by Senator Gallagher today relating to impacts of Covid-19 on the economy</para></quote>
<para>I will raise some points about the labour force figures. I think everyone in this place today knew, when those figure figures were released, they were completely devastating and a real sobering message to all of us here about the devastating impact that COVID-19 is having on our economy and our society. Whilst these figures are released as numbers, every number has a story behind it: every person, their family, and the pressure that comes with losing a job so suddenly and not being able to find another job in the times that we are currently living. These are also figures I don't think any of us ever expected we would see: 600,000 people losing their jobs in a month; one out of every five Australian workers either losing their job or having less work; and the effect on young people, with youth unemployment jumping 2.2 percentage points, the largest monthly increase on record. These are staggering numbers.</para>
<para>I think it really highlights for me the importance of getting the economic recovery right and of the government considering these numbers and the people that sit behind them. That's why my question today went to giving the government the opportunity to reconsider some of the decisions they've taken. We accept that JobKeeper and jobseeker were put together in an urgent way to address and, in a sense, align with the restrictions that were urgently being put in place to flatten the health curve. That was done in a matter of days.</para>
<para>We have also consistently, over the past couple of months, raised issues around eligibility, particularly where we think that the government could have allowed more into the JobKeeper scheme, in particular, where some of the eligibility criteria have been unfair. A young person who has a part-time job, and has had that part-time job for a couple of years, might have gone from earning $200 a week to all of a sudden earning $750. Whereas someone who, merely by length of service—11 months, 10 months or eight months—but with significant dependants and other costs, is denied access to JobKeeper on those grounds alone. We think there are some inconsistencies, and the government could have used this time to get it right. And we still think that's the case. We believe the shorter the unemployment queue is, even at the peak of this economic crisis, the better it will be in the long run—to keep people off the unemployment queue. It would be interesting to know whether the government had advice from Treasury about whether if they'd gone bigger, if they'd gone earlier, if they'd allowed eligibility for casuals, for uni staff, for casual teachers, fewer people would be reflected in these figures today. There are 500,000 people who have left the labour market entirely. They are not looking for work anymore and they are not in a job. They aren't reflected in the official headline results. They are gone. And we know where they've gone. They've gone onto jobseeker because they weren't able to keep their employment relationship going. That's what we have concerns about.</para>
<para>We know that the recovery out of this will be longer and harder. It will be different across particular industries disproportionally affected by the restrictions that are being put in place. This is the issue that we have been urging the government to rethink. Today's numbers, gave the government the opportunity to look at this and see how many more people they could get out of unemployment and back into some connection with their jobs.</para>
<para>This is something we continue to press because the big decisions that were taken urgently—the time that we have now to reflect and to understand some of the statistics will determine the recovery out of this. When you look at the underemployment rate and the youth unemployment rate, we can already see the disproportionate impact on young people. They will be out of the labour market; the ones who have just entered will be forced back; the ones who want to be able to get into it probably won't be able to. And, however long it takes to recover, they will carry these years with them for the rest of their lives. So we would urge the government to keep its mind open and consider changes where they are sensible to be made.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>If there is one Senator Gallagher and I agree on it is that the economic recovery from this health crisis is very important. There is no doubt that the Australian economy and the many Australians who, as a group, make up that economy have taken a big hit as a consequence of the coronavirus pandemic. But it's important to note that we approach this crisis from a position of strength. While those on the other side demanded late last year that this government abandon financial responsibility and start handing out wads of cash, we held fire knowing it's important to have some money in the tin for a rainy day, something up your sleeve for when times get tough.</para>
<para>And 2020 has provided a number of those tough times. No doubt, there are many Australians feeling that pinch acutely. That's why the government has taken decisive action to address the consequences of the coronavirus pandemic. The JobKeeper payment, a $1,500 a fortnight payment worth $130 billion to the Australian taxpayer, has been brought in to tackle this significant economic impact. It works by keeping Australians tied to their workplaces during this difficult time. It's had enormous take-up. That tells us something about the nature of the economic impact of coronavirus but it also tells us something about the nature of Australian businesses—their desire to do the right thing by their staff, their desire to keep them on and ready to take up the mantle again once we get through this difficult time. There has been record take-up.</para>
<para>But, since then, we have seen so many examples of how this payment is working to help in my home state of Queensland. Sam O'Connor, the member for Bonney, knows just how well the JobKeeper payment can favour business. Recently he met with Toula from the FRIGG Cafe, which has two cafes—in Brisbane and in Labrador on the Gold Coast. Toula says there is no way her business would have survived without JobKeeper assistance because during the period of restrictions business has been down 80 per cent. Sam visited on the Saturday before Mother's Day to put some hampers together and saw firsthand the benefits of JobKeeper: Toula's six vital staff members, who make tasty burgers, pancakes and schnitzels every breakfast and lunchtime, still have a job.</para>
<para>In the electorate of Forde, we have the wonderful example of Packer Leather, a fifth-generation family-run Australian manufacturing business. They are delighted to be able to report to their outstanding local member, Bert van Manen, that the JobKeeper payment has allowed them to keep their 100 local staff members on the books. They were established in 1891. They have survived the Spanish flu; two world wars; the Great Depression; the rise of plastics and foreign competition; offshore manufacturing; and a number of recessions—and now, with the help of the Morrison government, they are surviving this crisis as an international leader in the production of high-performance leathers. They are a great example of the Australian fighting spirit and the sorts of businesses that job keeper, through the help of the Morrison government and the Australian taxpayer, is helping to keep going and keep people working through the recovery.</para>
<para>Ross Vasta, the member for Bonner, has spent time with the owner of the Manly Deck bar and restaurant, whose name is Sudhir. He explained that, without the JobKeeper payment, he wouldn't have been able to continue his daily operations. Laura Gerber, the fantastic new member for Currumbin, has noticed that the business of Rainbow Meats in Currumbin Waters, owned by Peter, has lost an enormous amount of trade—80 per cent of total revenue. Peter said that the JobKeeper program is the only thing keeping their doors open right now; it simply wouldn't be possible without that program helping to subsidise staff wages through this hard time.</para>
<para>Ray Stevens, the member for Mermaid Beach, met Lincoln Testa, the owner of Madisons Cafe in the Oasis Shopping Centre at Broadbeach, a cafe I'm very fond of. Lincoln said very flatly that his business would not have survived without the JobKeeper payment. That means he wouldn't have been able to keep as many staff on during this time. I could keep going with example after example of the businesses that are surviving this hard time because of the measures put in place by this government, and I could tell you story after story of workers who are hanging on because of the assistance they're getting through the JobKeeper payment or, even in a worst-case scenario— <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:15</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>That's all well and good, but when you consider the lines outside Centrelink, the queues of hundreds if not thousands of Australians who were standing in the Centrelink lines, and who continue to do so, we know that today's ABS labour force figures are incredibly devastating figures. They show that 2.7 million Australian workers have either lost their jobs or had less work in April. That's one in every five Australian workers. So more than half a million Australians have lost their jobs between March and April, pushing the unemployment rate to 6.2 per cent. That equates to around 19,810 jobs lost each day during that period. These are workers and they are families, and they need to put food on the table for their family and for their children. And they're people who are our friends, our relatives and our neighbours, and people in our community. Underemployment rose to a record rate of 13.7 per cent with over 1.8 million Australians underemployed. The number of underemployed Australians was already at a record high well before the pandemic. Labor has been calling on the government to respond to this record underemployment, even prior to COVID-19. That is really important to note. Labor's call to broaden out the JobKeeper package to cover the sectors most affected has just not been listened to.</para>
<para>It was Labor who called for these wage subsidies in the first place. Then we called on the Morrison government to broaden the JobKeeper package to include the 1.1 million casuals who had been with their employer for less than 12 months. If that had been done, if the Morrison government had listened, these figures would be better—and they should be. The unemployment queues are longer than they need to be because many Australian workers have been excluded from the government's JobKeeper program. When we look at the JobKeeper program, the government is still leaving people behind, particularly the most vulnerable people, casual employees and people in whole sectors like the arts and entertainment sector. They aren't even getting the support that they need and the government does need to respond to this. Again, these people are the people behind the statistics—they are our families, they are our friends, they're our relatives, they're our neighbours and they're our community members.</para>
<para>This week was meant to be the budget week. We thought in the new climate we would at least see a response of substance from Treasurer Josh Frydenberg, but that did not happen—no substance, just a few old figures put together. In contrast, Labor is looking towards recovery, and we're looking to how it needs to happen. We are putting forward practical suggestions about JobKeeper and the jobseeker payment. Unemployment and underemployment have been turbocharged by this crisis, but they are not new challenges. The labour market has been weak for some time. What we actually need in this country is a government that has vision beyond day-to-day politics. Now is not the time to play politics. We've been showing bipartisanship, but that doesn't mean remaining silent. We as the party of working people have a responsibility to stand up for all of the wage earners of Australia. And we have been a responsible opposition, making constructive suggestions about the faults in the design of the JobKeeper scheme, just as we made constructive suggestions about unemployment benefits, the partner income test, mutual obligation, supporting students, relief from evictions, child care, telehealth, charities, access to broadband, and the aviation sector. It was the First Nations caucus of the federal Labor Party that pushed for the CDP program to remove the mutual obligation, so that First Nations people did not have to be penalised again and again, in an environment where this pandemic was going to so critically impact those CDP participants—33,000 of them in Australia, predominantly First Nations people. These were constructive suggestions by the Australian Labor Party to encourage the government to move far more quickly and precisely to enable all Australians to have an opportunity to get through this pandemic, and to continue to get through in life, in general, post this pandemic.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:20</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SCARR</name>
    <name.id>282997</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I must say I find it somewhat perplexing that, after the federal government has announced a $130 billion JobKeeper payment scheme, those on the other side of the chamber simply say that it didn't go far enough and it should have gone further. Let me make a few points on that. You can't look at the JobKeeper payment scheme in isolation. You have to look at it together with the government's overall response. That includes the jobseeker payment attribute of the government's response. That includes the $550 COVID supplement which is paid each fortnight to people who are on jobseeker. So it is simply not the case to assert that this government has left anyone behind. This government has sought on every occasion to provide generous assistance to everyone in our society who is impacted by this awful pandemic. In my electorate of Queensland and across Queensland, Queenslanders by and large have been absolutely applauding the federal government's efforts to keep Queensland businesses operating and to provide generous support to all Queenslanders.</para>
<para>I take the point that those casual workers who've been working for a specific employer for less than 12 months are not included in the JobKeeper scheme. In response to that, I'd just say this: first, they have access to the jobseeker relief payment. Secondly, the basis of the JobKeeper payment was to keep specific employment relationships between employers and their longer-term or permanent employees. The line has to be drawn somewhere in that respect, and the line was drawn in this case with respect to people who are casual employees of an employer for less than 12 months. Why? Because they haven't got that long-term employment relationship that a full-time employee, a part-time employee or a casual employee who's been providing work for the same employer for over 12 months has. But they're not left behind. They're given access to the jobseeker payment, so it is simply not the case that they're left behind.</para>
<para>Senator McCarthy, you say that we need to look towards recovery. Can I say to you that, if the opposition wants to look forward towards recovery, I don't think the right thing to do is to throw bricks at some of those great Australians who have become commissioners of the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission—people like Nev Power. He doesn't need to do this job. He's been a chief executive of Fortescue Metals Group. He doesn't need to do this job, and I say to you, through the Deputy President, that I thought it was absolutely tawdry and disgraceful in this place that when you rightly talked about moving forward and looking towards the recovery—and I absolutely agree with your comments in that regard—at the same time your colleagues were throwing bricks at a great Australian and, in fact, a great Queenslander—I'll claim him as a Queenslander; he's now living in Perth, but he was a Queenslander—about the fact he's getting his travel expenses and a per diem to perform that role. He's doing that because he's a great Australian, and he does not deserve to be attacked in this chamber by the Australian Labor Party. He should be congratulated, as all the members of that commission should be congratulated for putting their hands up at a time of great need in this country. All the commissioners have put their names forward and put up their hands. When they were asked, they came forward to help their country at this time of need. They did not deserve that tawdry performance which we saw in question time. They really did not deserve it.</para>
<para>So the Australian government is providing generous support and assistance across the breadth and width of this country, and we are looking towards the future.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:24</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SHELDON</name>
    <name.id>168275</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>First of all, I note the horrific and devastating figure of 600,000 jobs being lost in April and the effects on Australian families and communities right across this country from restrictions and business shutdowns. We look at the figure of one in five people, and we look at the issue of underemployment, a significant plague on this country prior to COVID-19. We look at those hard-hit workers who are not receiving support—casuals with less than 12 months with a single employer, workers in the arts and entertainment industry, local government workers and, of course, many workers right across our markets.</para>
<para>The JobKeeper wage subsidy was a very good idea, but it's been incredibly badly implemented. Throughout this discussion on JobKeeper, we've been constructive, supportive and responsible, but too many Australians have been left out and left behind—some accidentally but clearly many deliberately. From day one, we've seen that the scheme should have been better targeted so that people who really need it can get it and we don't waste taxpayers' money.</para>
<para>It's laughable, as we're talking about what we should be doing about JobKeeper and dealing with this crisis and these unemployment figures, that we have Minister Dutton commenting that it is 'laughable', as he said, that the Queensland government are going to invest $200 million into revitalising Virgin and saving 16,000 jobs. The only thing that's laughable is obviously Minister Dutton. Quite clearly, he might be better off concentrating on his day job, because he's not able to stop plague boats coming to this country, causing undue harm right across the economy and causing people to lose their lives. His failure has cost this country and those individuals who have been directly affected.</para>
<para>It's quite clear that we need to have a policy that turns around and includes those people who have been left out. Earlier today, we had a motion regarding Dnata workers. The government and One Nation decided to abandon 5,500 workers at Dnata. We've seen the Prime Minister, with Treasurer Josh Frydenberg, announce, 'Australians know we've got their back,' but very quickly it became clear that JobKeeper would not have the backs of hundreds of thousands of Australians and their families. That is why we tried to introduce legislative amendments to make sure that those people were given the protections they needed, including those I have already mentioned as well as migrant workers and international students, who pay tax and come here in good faith. These amendments, of course, were defeated by the government, who are uninterested in helping those taxpaying workers. We saw on numerous occasions that the government moved to exclude, from 1 July, Australian workers in universities and, as I've mentioned, Australian workers at companies that are ultimately owned by foreign sovereign entities. It was outrageous that a cruel stroke of the pen left thousands and thousands of families out in the cold.</para>
<para>The government has short-changed this country and short-changed all those hundreds of thousands of workers across this country. Workers in Dnata have been striving to make sure that, when the aviation industry comes back, their vital operations will allow the tourism industry to be ready to boom to get us snapped back. This government is adamant about having snap-off, not defending Australian workers or appropriately supporting and having the back of every Australian. They are applying double standards to hardworking Australians and others who have been paying their taxes. It's incredibly important, with the struggles ahead, that jobseeker is properly allocated to support all the Australians and other taxpayers that we've mentioned on numerous occasions in this place. I implore the government to reconsider this, because they can make a difference with the stroke of a pen. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>National COVID-19 Coordination Commission</title>
          <page.no>80</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the answer given by the Minister for Finance (Senator Cormann) to a question without notice asked by Senator Waters today relating to the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission.</para></quote>
<para>I rise to take note of the answer given to my question to the Minister for Finance, representing the Prime Minister. I asked about the little fossil-fuel cosy group that the government has appointed, and is paying with taxpayer funds, the COVID commission, and I asked initially how they can be confident that conflicts of interest with this fossil-fuel buddy group aren't going to dominate the recommendations of this body? There are no guidelines that pertain to how conflicts of interest are to be disclosed or managed. We learnt yesterday that in fact special advisers to that commission, who can be co-opted or appended, don't even have any obligations about disclosing or managing conflicts of interest. On top of that, we know that the commission's advice to government will be treated as cabinet in confidence. So we don't know what rules they're operating under, we don't know how they're managing conflicts of interest and we don't even know what they're advising the government to do. I asked the minister: 'How can you be confident that they're putting the public interest ahead of their own private interests or the interests of the industries from whence they hail?' The minister is confident that they can manage those conflicts.</para>
<para>Well, is it any wonder that we still don't have a federal anticorruption watchdog—despite it being nigh on a year and a half since this government reluctantly promised to deliver one—when this government thinks that flagrant potential for conflict of interest can just be somehow managed as the commission's own responsibility? They don't even want to put any guidelines in place.</para>
<para>It is no wonder that the public think that this government is completely opposed to transparency and accountability and that we desperately need an anticorruption watchdog. The reason for this of course is that the fossil fuel industry has been very busy under the cover of COVID. As has been collated by a group called fossil fuel watch, there have been 14 requests to cut environmental laws or corporate regulations; there have been 11 requests for tax cuts and concessions—and, might I say, more tax cuts and more tax concessions—and there have been 12 requests to fast-track projects. But the minister says these conflicts can be managed. The appointees on the commission don't have any guidelines. They don't apparently have any criteria on which to base their recommendations to government, or, if they do, we won't be told that either. And we won't be told what their advice to government is.</para>
<para>I think it's pretty obvious what their advice to government is going to be. A bunch of people up to their necks in the fossil fuel industry, now getting paid by the taxpayer, will no doubt recommend to the government that the economic recovery out of the COVID crisis is in fact yet more fossil fuels.</para>
<para>We're about to start the fire season again, and we just saw the worst bushfires in history. But this government has forgotten all about its inept handling of that crisis. And it has forgotten all about the real underlying crisis that will still be on foot when the COVID crisis is dealt with, and that's the climate crisis. And yet it puts in charge of an advisory body a bunch of people that want to make the climate crisis worse, to make more money for themselves and their industries and their shareholders! But we don't need conflict of interest guidelines! Everything's going to be fine. Go back to sleep, folks. We've already seen that a gas-led recovery is being proposed by the so-called minister for emissions reduction—the biggest misnomer in history!—and it's no wonder, when you look at the make-up of that COVID commission.</para>
<para>We are concerned that, whilst this government has been laudably paying attention to the health experts in dealing with the COVID crisis, they are ignoring the climate experts in dealing with the climate crisis. Why is it that scientists are sometimes good and sometimes to be ignored? Unfortunately, I put that question to the minister, and he chose to answer a different aspect and conveniently ignore that question altogether.</para>
<para>But we do not need a so-called gas-led recovery. Gas is a dirty fossil fuel. It wrecks farmland. It destroys underground water. It frequently dispossesses First Nations and traditional owners. That's why I've had a bill in this place for nigh on 10 years to give people the right to say no to it.</para>
<para>Then, finally, I asked about the obscene amounts of payment that these folk are receiving. But it's meant to be okay because it's not a quarter of a million dollars in salary that this guy, the chair of the commission, is receiving, for six months; it's only in expenses. The minister somehow think that makes it better—that the chair is receiving a quarter of a million dollars, in expenses only, to do a job, when this government is proposing dumping people back down to $41 a day, below the poverty line, in September, and it won't even support a million casual workers on JobKeeper. The priorities of this government are abundantly clear. It's government by the rich for the rich.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>BUSINESS</title>
        <page.no>81</page.no>
        <type>BUSINESS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Days and Hours of Meeting</title>
          <page.no>81</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">(1) That the days of meeting of the Senate for the remainder of 2020 be as follows:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Winter sittings:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Wednesday, 10 June to Friday, 12 June</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Monday, 15 June to Thursday, 18 June</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Spring sittings:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Tuesday, 4 August to Thursday, 6 August</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Monday, 10 August to Thursday, 13 August</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Monday, 24 August to Thursday, 27 August</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Monday, 31 August to Thursday, 3 September</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Tuesday, 6 October to Thursday, 8 October</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Monday, 9 November to Thursday, 12 November</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Monday, 30 November to Thursday, 3 December</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Monday, 7 December to Thursday, 10 December.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(2) That estimates hearings by legislation committees for the remainder of 2020 be scheduled as follows:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">2020-21 Budget estimates:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Monday, 19 October to Thursday, 22 October, and, if required, Friday, 23 October (Group A)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Monday, 26 October to Thursday, 29 October, and, if required, Friday 30 October (Group B)</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(3) That cross portfolio estimates hearings on Indigenous matters and on Murray-Darling Basin Plan matters be scheduled for Friday, 23 and 30 October, but not restricted to these days.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(4) That the committees consider the proposed expenditure in accordance with the allocation of departments and agencies to committees agreed to by the Senate.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(5) That committees meet in the following groups:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Group A:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Environment and Communications</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Finance and Public Administration</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Legal and Constitutional Affairs</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Group B:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Community Affairs</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Economics</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Education and Employment</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(6) That the committees report to the Senate on Tuesday, 17 November 2020 in respect of the 2020-21 Budget estimates.</para></quote>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>10000</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Senator Waters, are you seeking to speak on that motion?</para>
</interjection>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:35</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Yes, Deputy President. I seek guidance. I would like to make a brief contribution on that, but I'm not sure how long I could be indulged for. I don't intend to take that long.</para>
<interjection>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>10000</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thank you, Senator Waters.</para>
</interjection>
<continue>
  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATERS</name>
    <name.id>192970</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Thanks very much. We've just received a revised sitting calendar half an hour or so ago from the government, and, based on the sitting weeks that were in the original pre-COVID calendar, it looks like we'll still be short one estimates week, which is of great concern because we had moved amendments to the COVID Senate select committee to enable it to scrutinise the Prime Minister and other ministers from the other place, and those amendments were not successful. So we are not able to have that scrutiny ability—except through the forum of this chamber or through estimates. So our suggestion and our hope would be that one of those sitting weeks—in our suggestion, one of the June weeks—should in fact become an estimates week so that we can use those scrutiny powers and those accountability mechanisms to best effect, given the limitations of that committee, because sadly nobody backed our amendments to make it stronger.</para>
<para>I might also note that we've had a very good and positive tradition in this place of not scheduling sitting weeks in school holidays. I'm sure there are many folk in this place who have people who stay home and look after their kids for them, but some of us actually do that ourselves, and it's very difficult to manage parliamentary sittings when school holidays are on. So that would be my other note of caution. It's just one of the weeks that has been scheduled and it's only half the country that will be on school holiday, but it's that week of 6 to 8 October. I would seriously ask the government to reflect on rescheduling that sitting week to a different week this year so that people, and young parents in particular, are not discouraged from careers in politics going forward.</para>
<para>I might also add that we are assuming and hoping that the social-distancing requirements will continue to apply. As democracy continues to work, we think it's important that we continue to be guided by the health advice, so we need to have the same rules as the rest of the nation. I think we've been doing well in that regard, and I give credit to the chamber attendants and to the folks in this building who have been assisting us to do that, but it's important that those protocols remain, given that we will now have a sitting calendar that is effectively the same as the sitting load before the pandemic, which we support. We are concerned, though, at the government's rhetoric that the economy needs to get back on track, in a way that may fly in the face of the health evidence. The pressure that's been coming from this government to the states to hurry up and open everything so that people can go out, spend their money again and get this unsustainable economy going needs to be tempered by the health advice. There's been undue pressure, in our view, placed by the Prime Minister just in order to do favours for his big-business mates. Of course we want to see the economy get back on track in a sustainable and equitable way, but this undue pressure is inconsistent with the health advice, and we ask the Prime Minister and folks in this place to take that on board.</para>
<para>Overall, we're pleased to see a lot more sitting weeks scheduled. Democracy has never been more important than at times such as this, when we are facing unprecedented challenges on so many fronts: an inequality crisis, a climate crisis, a jobs crisis, and now a health crisis on top of that. It's appropriate that we get back to work, as long as those social-distancing protocols are observed. I might add that we hope that arrangements for travel are factored in, considering that many states have had flights severely restricted, in no small part due to the government's failure to provide any assistance to a large airline company, and, of course, the Queensland government is now attempting to step in to do that. But that will be another consideration, particularly for those who are coming from over west. Thanks very much.</para>
</continue>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:40</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator CORMANN</name>
    <name.id>HDA</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—The issue that Senator Waters raises about school holidays is a fair point. Obviously, this program has gone through the House of Representatives as well, so I propose that we deal with it as put forward today. I'll take that on notice and explore that. We'll have some time to have another look at that particular week, in relation to school holidays.</para>
<para>In relation to travel—and I come from Western Australia; I understand what Senator Waters is talking about in terms of logistical challenges—we do need to ensure that we facilitate members and senators coming to Canberra in a way that is workable, so we will continue to make these arrangements, as we have, for as long as is appropriate. I think all parties and all senators would support the comments in relation to ensuring that the meetings will be conducted in a way that is COVID-safe and that is consistent with relevant health guidance. I certainly agree with that.</para>
<para>In relation to Senate estimates, we haven't had a budget. Normally in May-June, we have two weeks of budget estimates and, at different times of the year, we have additional or supplementary estimates that are always linked to a specific event, whether that's annual reports or the half-yearly budget update or, indeed, the budget. The program that we're proposing has two estimates weeks in October, after the budget has been delivered. We are confident that, in terms of the health context and the COVID environment, it should be safe by then to bring together the number of people involved in the estimates process over that period. We're not proposing to amend the program in the way that Senator Waters has suggested in relation to the June sitting weeks.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GALLAGHER</name>
    <name.id>ING</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—Labor will be supporting this motion. We're pleased that the government has listened to representations from Labor and others in this chamber about the importance of locking in sitting weeks and getting back to work as the rest of the country does. People, I would urge you to bring your thermal gear with you for most of August, by the look of it!</para>
<para>In relation to budget estimates, I think there are some challenges around convening estimates in the way that we would normally do for a budget period, in terms of the duration, the number of people in rooms and things like that. We've experienced some of those challenges ourselves with the Select Committee on COVID-19. At this point in time, we are happy with the way the government has put forward the plan to have the full two weeks of estimates following the handing down of the budget. Also, I thank the government and acknowledge its assistance with travel for senators and members coming from other places around Australia. It really does help people get here and return home in the most COVID-safe way possible.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>83</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Consideration</title>
          <page.no>83</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>COMMITTEES</title>
        <page.no>84</page.no>
        <type>COMMITTEES</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Consideration</title>
          <page.no>84</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>AUDITOR-GENERAL'S REPORTS</title>
        <page.no>85</page.no>
        <type>AUDITOR-GENERAL'S REPORTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Consideration</title>
          <page.no>85</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>DOCUMENTS</title>
        <page.no>86</page.no>
        <type>DOCUMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Building Landcare Community and Capacity Grants Program</title>
          <page.no>86</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><subdebate.2><subdebateinfo>
            <title>Order for the Production of Documents</title>
            <page.no>86</page.no>
          </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:49</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I table documents relating to the order for the production of documents concerning the Building Landcare Community and Capacity Grants program.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.2></subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS</title>
        <page.no>86</page.no>
        <type>MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>Australian Natural Disasters</title>
          <page.no>86</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BIRMINGHAM</name>
    <name.id>H6X</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of the Minister for Agriculture, Drought and Emergency Management, Minister Littleproud, I table a ministerial statement, <inline font-style="italic">Update on bushfire recovery and drought </inline><inline font-style="italic">response</inline>.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:50</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WATT</name>
    <name.id>245759</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate take note of the document.</para></quote>
<para>As has been noted before, and as is noted in the minister's statement, the recent summer bushfires were obviously a devastating experience for so many Australians. Tragically we saw 33 lives lost, over 3,000 homes destroyed and millions of hectares of land and forest destroyed, along with the deaths of millions of animals and other species—not to mention the incredible psychological trauma inflicted on so many Australians.</para>
<para>As I have done before in this chamber, I place on record the opposition's incredible gratitude towards firefighters—both professional and volunteer firefighters—all of the community groups and all of the government representatives who worked so hard over the summer, and before and after, to assist bushfire victims. But it is important, now that we are several months on from the bushfires themselves, that work continue to ensure that communities recover. From the opposition's point of view, we think that it's vital that we continue to hold the government to account on what it is doing right and what it is doing wrong in terms of bushfire recovery. We wouldn't be doing our job as the opposition if we were not holding the government to account and speaking up for the bushfire victims who are still waiting for the support that has been promised to them.</para>
<para>Right now, there is a hand-painted sign screwed onto the back of a ute in Bega, a town devastated by summer's bushfires. The signs read: '$2 billion bushfire fund—where is it?' 'Homes, farms, businesses are rubble and ruins. Communities and charities are helping out. The ADF has come and gone. Was that it?' 'Bushfire survivors—forgotten people.' I'm afraid to say that the sentiment expressed in those signs is one that is shared by many bushfire victims across much of the country. Obviously, a lot of attention did focus on the bushfires that were, particularly, experienced in the south-east of New South Wales and the East Gippsland region in Victoria. But we need to remember that these fires actually occurred in many, many, many parts of this country over a very long period of time. From the conversations I have been having with bushfire victims themselves, and their representatives, I have to say that many people do feel forgotten months after the fires have passed.</para>
<para>Right now, in many parts of the country, we are seeing bushfire victims—families—living in caravans and sheds next to the blackened remains of their homes. To give a couple of examples, Troy Pauling from Yowrie is living in a caravan with his family, metres from his ruined home. The wreckage has still not been cleared. 'The kids cry. They don't want to be here,' he says. 'If we got this cleared we'd have the ball rolling. But it's just way too slow.' Again, that sentiment is one that is widely felt—that the recovery process is way too slow.</para>
<para>If you listen to the government and to the Prime Minister you would think that everything was running smoothly. On Monday, just this week, Prime Minister Scott Morrison praised the bushfire recovery effort of his own government as 'sensational' and 'tremendous'. I'm sorry, but that is just not the experience of so many bushfire victims. Bushfire victims are telling us that this recovery is moving too slowly. Many don't even trust that the money is actually there. I have to say that bushfire victims are right to be suspicious of the government's $2 billion National Bushfire Recovery Fund. This is the fund that the Prime Minister announced at the height of the bushfires in January, when he was under extreme political pressure. He said at the time that the funds would be ready immediately. He said that the funds would be ready to hit the ground in communities where the fire front has passed, to help them rebuild. Well, as time has gone on, unfortunately we've been able to see that the Prime Minister's promise has not been real. At Senate estimates not that long ago we were able to expose that this $2 billion fund is simply a notional fund—it may or may not be paid; it may or may not exist. That is not what bushfire victims heard in January when the Prime Minister made his promise. And just this week we finally received answers to questions on notice that we had lodged, which revealed that less than $260 million from the $2 billion Bushfire Recovery Fund has actually been paid out, months after the bushfires. Only one-in-eight dollars of the money promised from this bushfire fund has actually been delivered. With such an underwhelming recovery effort, it is no wonder the bushfire victims feel forgotten by the Prime Minister and his government.</para>
<para>But, recently, something has changed. Just this week in parliament we've seen a sudden flurry of activity in the bushfire recovery space. On Monday, the Prime Minister and the emergency management minister spruiked new announcements from the National Bushfire Recovery Fund, and, today, Minister Littleproud has re-announced additional funding for the National Aerial Firefighting Centre, which the Prime Minister confirmed over four months ago. It is almost as if some political event is emerging, something in a bushfire-affected region that has prompted the government to finally recognise that they need to get moving with the bushfire recovery. It has prompted the government to recognise that they have not done enough—that they haven't lived up to the promises that they made to people. Is it remotely possible that a by-election in the electorate of Eden-Monaro is what has prompted the government, all of a sudden, to recognise that bushfire victims do need help? Is it a by-election in Eden-Monaro that has prompted the government to finally listen to the complaints of bushfire victims, the complaints that we have aired and have been accused of politicking for having aired them? If there is any politicking going on, it is the sudden interest that this government is showing in bushfire recovery now that we are facing a by-election in Eden-Monaro.</para>
<para>We can't see this government's failure to prepare for the bushfires repeated, when it comes to bushfire recovery. We know, again from Senate estimates, that the Prime Minister and his government were warned on multiple occasions about how severe the bushfires would be, prior to their hitting, and they continued to fail to take action. We can't see that repeated with the recovery. It is vital that we give bushfire victims the support that they need. It is simply unacceptable that months after the bushfires hit, as winter approaches in some of the coldest parts of our country, bushfire victims remain living in caravans and sheds, waiting for rubble to be removed so that they can just begin the process of rebuilding. Whether it be a by-election or any other reason, the government has got to make a decision that it will take this bushfire recovery seriously, that it will dedicate serious resources to it and that they, at last, will get over this temptation they always have to be full of marketing, full of promises and full of spin. Enough of the spin, enough of the marketing; it's time to get on with real action for bushfire victims to help them with their recovery.</para>
</speech>
<speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>15:58</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McKENZIE</name>
    <name.id>207825</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As Leader of The Nationals in the Senate, I rise to support the statement to the House earlier today by the Minister for Agriculture and National Party deputy leader, David Littleproud. The statement reiterates and reinforces our government's absolute, solid commitment to rural and regional Australians, who have been doing it tough as a result of the drought in places like Queensland, for upwards of 7 or 8 years; floods, which devastated areas of Queensland and caused significant stock losses; and the bushfires that ravaged the east coast of our country over summer. They started prior to Christmas, but we saw the worst of it in January. Thirty-three people lost their lives. I, and the National Party team, want to thank our CFA, our RFS, our volunteer firefighters and indeed our volunteer emergency service workers, who really were the ballast in so many of those communities.</para>
<para>We saw the generosity of Australians who sought to assist our drought-affected communities and bushfire-affected communities by supporting small businesses, by purchasing products online, by booking holidays in these regional areas to stimulate economies. Unfortunately, because of COVID-19, that local economic stimulus has been put on hold, but I know, once the pandemic is finished, the regions will look forward to welcoming Australians into their communities to stimulate their local economies and to help rebuild.</para>
<para>The Nationals, being part of a government that cares for families and businesses across rural and regional Australia, understand what it's like because we live in these communities. The spirit of regional Australia has been on display through these challenges—the resilience, the robustness, the determination to focus on recovery, rebuilding and to supporting each other. It is tough, day after day, getting up and having to deal with stock losses, getting up and looking at the burnt, charred remains of your family's home or your local business. That is why the government has also been supporting our rural and regional communities, not just with practical help in partnership with our state government colleagues and local governments, but by providing that essential mental health support to ensure that, when the rains come in those drought-affected communities, there will be a spirit of positivity on the ground to grasp that opportunity to plant the crop, to purchase and restock, to do what needs to be done to get back to full production.</para>
<para>Indeed, we've seen the mental health assistance that our government and state governments have been rolling out in those bushfire-affected communities be of much benefit. The Nationals are committed to keeping regional communities open for business. We have provided economic stimulus through the $301 million Drought Communities Program extension, an additional $138.9 million for drought-affected communities under Roads for Recovery, and $20 billion to keep kids from drought-affected regions at school. We're also looking long-term. From July, the Future Drought Fund will make $100 million available each year to build drought resilience and preparedness because this will keep happening—droughts are a part of farming in Australia. Cyclically, we go through drought periods, so building that resilience for future drought will really underpin local economies and agriculture more broadly. We have welcomed some great autumn rainfalls in many parts of New South Wales and Victoria, but so much of regional Australia still is gripped by the drought, and we are standing with these communities until that passes.</para>
<para>The government has allocated $2 billion to our bushfire recovery through the efforts of the new Bushfire Recovery Fund. Whether it was in Victoria, Tallangatta, Cudgewa, Gippsland, Mallacoota or South Australia, we saw the devastating stock losses, especially on Kangaroo Island. The smoke-taint affected harvests this year in the Adelaide Hills vineyards were destroyed as a result. In New South Wales, Batlow, Port Macquarie, and towns right throughout the south coast really struggled with the bushfire.</para>
<para>In partnership with the state governments we've been rolling out the bushfire recovery. My own communities of north-east Victoria where I live were heavily affected by the bushfires over summer. Andrew Colvin, who heads up the recovery unit, has been on the ground actively engaging with communities and affected small businesses to see what practical assistance we can provide as the federal government. Even in a COVID-19 environment, where he can't get to town hall meetings and meet the locals personally, he's been holding zoom meetings, online engagement, so that he can keep up to date with how the recovery is being rolled out right across these communities. We don't stop making sure that the bushfires and drought are front and centre for our government just because of COVID-19.</para>
<para>The more than $1 billion from the recovery fund is already working on the ground and includes more than $175 million for small business support grants, $40 million for recovery grants, $108 million for primary producer grants and $17 million for concessional loans. These grants and loans have been used by primary producers to re-fence, restock, purchase hay, rebuild hay sheds and that's also provided a lot of local employment for many in our communities. More than $228 million has been paid to more than 186,000 eligible individuals through the disaster recovery payment and disaster recovery allowance. Over $32 million worth of payments were made for over 80,000 impacted children as of 26 April.</para>
<para>We're proud to back our volunteer firefighters and have paid out over $10.4 million to them. We thank them for their service. We provided an additional $13.5 million in funding over two years to assist our Primary Health Networks to provide emotional and mental health support for bushfire-affected industries. Other changes we made as part of our drought response have meant getting telehealth services into regional communities, as it is more and more difficult for people to leave properties, for cost reasons or for work, to actually attend critical health services, particularly for mental health.</para>
<para>On 11 May the Prime Minister announced a further $650 million to support towns and regions hit by bushfires to get back on their feet. This will back local projects, recovery plans and initiatives that benefit all bushfire-affected communities. We want the solutions to be local. Rather than a top-down, Canberra-knows-best approach, the Liberal-National federal government knows that it is local communities who are living with the impacts and the results of these devastating bushfires that will have the best ideas of how they can rebuild. They will have the collective vision of what their community will look like well past recovery and what resilience they need to build into their local community for if this was to occur again.</para>
<para>As the daughter of a log truck driver in his youth, I'm very proud to be on the side of politics that supports a sustainable forestry industry in this country. What ever happened to the F in the CFMEU? Honestly, the forestry division needs to rethink who they're playing with, because there is only one side of politics that backs a sustainable forestry industry, and it is the Liberal and the National parties.</para>
<para>There is $15 million to assist that forestry industry transport burn salvage logs to surviving timber mills or storage sites in bushfire affected areas in Victoria and New South Wales. Wasn't that a battle to actually be able to salvage the already burnt logs, the already burnt timber, and get it to the sawmills—it degrades quite quickly over time—to keep people employed while they can? There's another $149.7 million to support communities and organisations taking on-ground action to protect native species and build knowledge for better land management. We've also got the National Drought and North Queensland Flood Response and Recovery Agency, which we then expanded to also encompass the bushfires.</para>
<para>To the communities of rural and regional Australia still struggling with the drought or who have got some decent rains and are in the process of getting excited about seeding if you're in WA and planting if you're on the east coast and to those affected by bushfires: our government is committed to standing with you and walking the path to recovery lockstep.</para>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1></debate>
    <debate><debateinfo>
        <title>MOTIONS</title>
        <page.no>89</page.no>
        <type>MOTIONS</type>
      </debateinfo><subdebate.1><subdebateinfo>
          <title>COVID-19: Economy</title>
          <page.no>89</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:09</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McCARTHY</name>
    <name.id>122087</name.id>
    <electorate>Northern Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>On behalf of Senator Gallagher, I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That the Senate—</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(a) notes that:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) the Government said that the economy would 'snap back' after the end of the COVID-19 crisis,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) the Reserve Bank and Deloitte have forecast unemployment to remain at elevated levels for years,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) members of the Government are calling for the early end of the JobKeeper payment, and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iv) Government ministers have confirmed that JobSeeker will revert back to $40 per day in September this year; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">(b) calls on the Government to:</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (i) table Treasury's review into JobKeeper in the Senate as soon as it is finalised,</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (ii) as soon as possible, provide certainty to people on the JobSeeker payment that they won't be "snap-backed" to living on $40 per day; and</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">   (iii) outline a plan for jobs and for reducing unemployment in the Government's economic update when it is delivered in June.</para></quote>
<para>I stand in support of notice of motion No. 591 brought on by my colleague Senator Gallagher. A mind-boggling budget deficit of $143 billion has been predicted for the 2019-20 financial year. This week Deloitte Access Economic economist Chris Richardson forecast the federal deficit to blow out to $143 billion this financial year, dwarfing the $5 billion surplus the government had forecast in December. Mr Richardson predicted in his report that the economy would be suffering a COVID-19 hangover for many years to come. National income is predicted to fall $35 billion below official projections and have a shortfall of just under $200 billion in 2020-21.</para>
<para>The report also forecasts the unemployment rate will not get back down to five per cent until late 2024. Mr Richardson says that recovery will be slow. He puts the key reasons for this as families and businesses having suffered 'blows to their confidence, their income and their wealth', so they'll be 'more cautious about taking any risks'. As for the Reserve Bank, it has already, in Mr Richardson's words, got 'the pedal to the metal', meaning this is the first recession and recovery where the RBA is 'essentially already out of ammo'. While Australia may well outperform many other global economies, 'that global weakness may undercut the prices we receive for our resource exports'.</para>
<para>It's also worth noting that Mr Richardson says:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Australia's recovery will be strikingly dependent on the extent to which our governments—federal and state—switch their policies away from the virus sprint and towards the recovery marathon.</para></quote>
<para>He identifies our key problem as unemployment, and 'that's the curve we now have to flatten.'</para>
<para>We 'will have to drive unemployment down without any help from the RBA, as the Reserve is already tapped out'. Our fight against the virus must now be a battle against unemployment. Mr Richardson warns against rapid budget repair and a reliance on spending cuts, and he says that, with interest rates so low, the government's extra spending on coronavirus support measures, such as JobKeeper, 'will only cost the average taxpayer around $3 a week'. That's it: $3 a week. Yet this government wants to walk away from JobKeeper and JobSeeker.</para>
<para>Today's April labour force figures released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows young Australians are bearing the brunt of the unemployment crisis—13.8 per cent of our young people are now without work, which is more than double the national average of 6.2 per cent. There are now 283,500 unemployed young Australians, many previously employed in casual, insecure and gig work and in hard-hit industries such as hospitality. One-third of accommodation and food services jobs have been lost during this crisis, and those worked by people aged 20 to 29 deceased the most.</para>
<para>Young Australians are carrying an incredibly heavy load through this crisis, and Labor is deeply concerned about the potentially devastating impact on our young population. Overwhelming unemployment, social isolation and missing significant life events are all taking a financial and certainly a mental health toll on our young Australians.</para>
<para>The government must have our young people at the forefront of their thinking and take all necessary steps to support them during and after this crisis. One thing the Treasurer could do right now is better target the JobKeeper program to ensure those young people who were employed casually on a short-term basis are able to access financial support and maintain a connection to their workplace. Labor will continue to work constructively with the government to ensure young Australians are supported.</para>
<para>The Northern Territory has the lowest number able to work from home with only 32 per cent, and that was followed by Tasmania on 35 per cent. Labor is calling on the government to release modelling on the anticipated economic impact of snapping back the coronavirus supplement overnight. Last week the Department of Social Services said that it estimated some 1.7 million Australians will require unemployment support by September, yet the Prime Minister has been insistent that he will snap back the JobSeeker payment to $40 per day for millions of Australians on 24 September. This is the equivalent of ripping almost $1 billion a fortnight from household budgets. This sudden stop will have a significant impact on the Australian economy. It was revealed last week at a hearing of the Senate Select Committee on COVID-19 that the government had not coordinated its jobseeker increase with its wage subsidy rollout, which it introduced following pressure from Labor, business and, in particular, the unions. The Reserve Bank, the Commonwealth Treasury and the International Monetary Fund have all confirmed in recent weeks that an economic snapback is nothing but a myth from the Prime Minister. A snapback of jobseeker risks leaving millions of Australians behind.</para>
<para>The government needs to be clear, it needs to be straight with all Australians, about whether the nation is now edging closer to another economic cliff, in the form of the Prime Minister's promised jobseeker snapback. If the Prime Minister wants to snap back jobseeker, he should be upfront with Australian workers and Australian businesses about its consequences—this is a fairly reasonable ask—and seek advice from the Department of Social Services and the Treasury. The government's jobseeker snapback isn't a plan for the economy; it's a recipe for disaster. The Department of Social Services has admitted it believes another 400,000 Australian will require the jobseeker payment by September, bringing the total number of jobseeker recipients to 1.7 million. With almost two million Australians requiring income support in six months time, it is difficult to comprehend why the Prime Minister is insisting on a snapback to $40 per day.</para>
<para>There have certainly been mixed messages from within the ranks of the government. This week the Minister for Families and Social Services, Anne Ruston, said she wouldn't rule out an increase to the jobseeker payment rate. Yesterday her department said all options were on the table, yet the Prime Minister, the Treasurer and the Minister for Finance have locked in a return to $40 per day for Australians on jobseeker. This is despite the government's own projections that unemployment will still be as high as 1.7 million.</para>
<para>The hundreds of thousands of Australians who have found themselves out of work or had their hours slashed are understandably confused by the mixed messages from this government about jobseeker. They need to know how the government will help them get back into work and they need to know that their jobseeker payment won't be snapped back to $40 a day by the Morrison government. It wasn't enough before the COVID crisis and it certainly won't be enough after the crisis. The old Newstart rate of $40 per day was so low that it presented a barrier to finding work. Australians will need to meet costs such as phone and internet bills to be able to find jobs and participate in interviews. Australians need assurances that this government will not let them fall through the cracks. Australians need to be uplifted and treated with dignity and respect to be able to take their place in our society without feeling that we're looking down on them because they are in need of social services. Australians need that kind of security, going forward.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:18</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SESELJA</name>
    <name.id>HZE</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>It is an honour to get up to speak about what is a very, very important issue. I want to start by acknowledging that, from the very beginning of this crisis, this government—our government—has responded swiftly and strongly and in the national interest at every point in dealing with what the Prime Minister has rightly referred to as the dual crisis: the health crisis, first and foremost, and the economic crisis.</para>
<para>When it came to our health response, we acted early and we acted strongly. We imposed a travel ban, ahead of most other nations. We declared a pandemic, well ahead of the World Health Organization. The Prime Minister stood up the national cabinet, an unprecedented response to an unprecedented crisis.</para>
<para>I think that the very sobering figures today for the labour market, which are devastating for individuals and families, of course, are a significant challenge. As the Prime Minister has said, though they are not necessarily unexpected, they are devastating for many, many in our community. But if we reflect on those numbers—if we look around the world at the unemployment numbers for some of our major trading partners, like the United States and Canada and others—I think we can point to the fact that that strong response has helped us to avoid much worse figures. We don't downplay those job losses; they are a serious hit for those individuals and those families, and for our economy. This unprecedented crisis has caused that. We can be very proud as a nation of the way we're responding.</para>
<para>We responded to the health crisis. We invested billions of dollars extra to respond to that health crisis. Minister Hunt, I think, has done an extremely good job on that front.</para>
<para>Then, when we go to the other part of this crisis, the economic crisis, we have committed and are delivering unprecedented economic support to the community. It started with cash payments to individuals, particularly pensioners and other people in the welfare system getting extra cash in their bank accounts so they can have some support through this difficult time. We delivered cash-flow support to businesses so they can keep the doors open. We supercharged our safety net, doubling our jobseeker payment to support those Australians who, through no fault of their own, are doing it particularly tough as a result of this dual crisis. We enabled Australians who are doing it tough to have access to their superannuation. We heard a bit of criticism from the Labor Party on that today, which we reject absolutely. Giving Australians access to their own money at this very difficult time is an important part of our economic response. The fact that young people and people who are not so young have taken advantage of that so they can look after themselves and their families while getting unprecedented support is something we should all be proud of. All up, the economic response from the Australian government is projected to be $320 billion, or 16 per cent of GDP, compared to virtually every other nation. That is an extraordinary response in extraordinary times, and we should be very proud that we have been able to deliver that. We will continue to do that to protect Australians and protect Australia's sovereignty during this time.</para>
<para>Labor have said at various times that they will give bipartisan support, but we are seeing that language rapidly shift. The tone was set by the leader, Anthony Albanese, when, in criticising the national cabinet, his criticism of the national cabinet was that he wasn't part of it. That was his main criticism of the national cabinet—this unprecedented response, this great show of leadership from the Prime Minister, where he brought premiers and chief ministers of both political persuasions into the now virtual cabinet room, so they could get together and make decisions in the national interest. What we have seen from the Labor Party over time, led by Mr Albanese, is more and more politicking rather than dealing with the serious challenges that we as a nation face and, indeed, that governments and nations right around the world face. As we compare our response to those of other nations, we can be proud of how far we've come. But, indeed, we have a long way to go.</para>
<para>Before I briefly touch on the coming back of the economy and supporting the economy as we come out of this crisis—as we open up the economy again, as we open up our society—I would just address one of the big lies that are being put out there by the Labor Party. Mr Albanese and Mr Chalmers were at it again today, suggesting that the economy was in trouble before the COVID crisis. That is not what the RBA governor had to say. That's not what the IMF were saying when they were projecting what our growth was going to be—that it was going to be stronger than most G7 nations—when unemployment had come down to 5.1 per cent and at a time when we delivered tax cuts for the Australian people, which we said we would do at the last election. This criticism, this claim, this big lie, from the Labor Party, that somehow the economy was doing it tough, is wrong.</para>
<para>As we start coming out of this crisis, we will build on the principles and the values that have kept our economy going strong and that enabled us to utilise our balance sheet to deliver this unprecedented support. Let's imagine for a moment that we'd gone into this crisis with the $48 billion deficit that the Labor Party left us. Imagine if our deficit was at $48 billion instead of having the budget in balance. Imagine if unemployment were rapidly rising, as it was when the Labor Party left office. Imagine if we had not had a strong economy. Our strong balance sheet and budget—with debt as a proportion of GDP around a quarter of that in the UK and in the US and about a seventh of that in Japan—have enabled us to deliver this unprecedented response. It would have been far more difficult if we didn't have that starting point.</para>
<para>As we look to build on that, we are going to reject some of the policies that are being put forward. This week, the shadow finance minister criticised the Liberal Party because we talk about things like lower taxes as we come out. We took lower taxes to the election, and we are delivering lower taxes right now. We're not going to recover from this crisis by increasing taxes for Australians. I don't think that that is going to be the way to create jobs and bring back to the workforce some of those people who newly find themselves unemployed. We are going to do it by keeping taxes low. We are going to do it by supporting business. We are going to do it by investing in infrastructure. We're going to do it by being innovative. But, all the while, we're going to do it in a fair and Australian way.</para>
<para>Australians can trust that, as we come out of this crisis, this government—which I think has responded very well going into this crisis—is going to be best placed to help Australians get back into work, to help get our economy moving, to help keep Australians safe and to help keep Australians together. That's what we are going to continue to be committed to. That will be a task that will be with us for some time. But we are up to it and the Australian people are up to it, and we're going to go on that journey together, supporting them all the way through.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:28</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator WHISH-WILSON</name>
    <name.id>195565</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I am certainly glad to hear Senator Seselja say how proud he is of the government's JobKeeper package that they put in place. I say that because the Greens called for a living wage very early on in the piece. Indeed, even as early as mid-March we were calling for a living wage, a European-style wage, which essentially looks very similar to JobKeeper. My colleague in the chamber with me today, Senator Siewert, has been one of the most outspoken MPs in this parliament, in this building, about raising the rate of Newstart, which of course is now the jobseeker payment—and I know that very shortly she will be talking about making that permanent.</para>
<para>I want to make a few brief points for my contribution. The importance of the JobKeeper package was simply to provide confidence and trust in our economy. It wasn't necessarily to exactly replicate the wages of workers around the country. It was to set a stimulus payment at a level for all workers who had been impacted in businesses. I have literally lived and breathed JobKeeper at home for the last six weeks, because my wife and her business partners have been labouring to try to understand the labyrinth of eligibility requirements for JobKeeper. I've spoken to accountants. My office has been working around the clock, as I know Senator Siewert's office and many of my colleagues' offices have been doing, trying to help constituents to navigate both JobKeeper and the jobseeker payment. It wouldn't surprise me if many of us in this chamber have had all of our staff working around the clock to try and help Australians sign up to these schemes.</para>
<para>I'm also proud of JobKeeper. It's certainly not perfect; it has a number of issues, and, along with my colleague Senator Siewert, I continue to ask questions on some of those issues at the COVID committee. It is a big outlay, but it's absolutely critical. What we know about pandemics and panics throughout history is that the one thing they all have in common is that people lose trust. They lose trust in their institutions and they lose trust in their financial systems. If they do that then the glue that holds our economy together comes unstuck, and then the next stage, further down the track, is smashing windows, setting fire to buildings, rioting, looting and so on and so forth.</para>
<para>There are certainly reasons to be critical of the pace at which the government adopted this. It took nearly two weeks, after coming under significant criticism from the Greens and others, for the government to adopt a living-wage scheme. I'd like to recognise the role that the unions and the ACTU played in this, and also that of the business community. COSBOA, the small-business group, and a number of chambers of commerce around this country also put pressure on the government. As I often say to friends of mine in the union movement, I'm not necessarily sure it was the Greens and Labor and the unions that persuaded the government to adopt this scheme; I actually believe it was probably the business community that persuaded the government to adopt a jobkeeper-style scheme. But, either way, it's a win for Team Australia, for everyone working together.</para>
<para>But the idea that somehow the economy is going to snap back in a few months time, like an elastic band—that somehow people around the country are going to be able to remove themselves from the fear and anxiety that they've been feeling over the last five weeks in isolation—is completely unrealistic.</para>
<para>What governments do really well in times of crisis is step in and do the heavy lifting. Whether it's bailing out businesses or providing money to workers—over five million workers around the country, in this case, which is unprecedented—governments have an ability to do that because governments can take on risk. This is a period of extreme risk. As Senator Cormann said the other day, it's a one-in-100-year event. Our capitalist system—businesses and markets—aren't built for risk. Any capitalist will tell you: if you want them to take on risk, they need a high expected return. Of course, in times of crisis and pandemic there are no returns. In fact, there are falling returns. We've heard today about real estate markets potentially losing a third of their value. We've seen what's happened on the share market. We've seen what's happened to superannuation balances around the country.</para>
<para>Governments are in a unique position to do the heavy lifting, and so they should. My point is: they must continue to do this in coming months if we are going to keep the good work we have done from unravelling. That trust and that confidence must be there, and it's the government's role to maintain it. And government needs to go a step further. It's not just about providing a stimulus payment. Governments need to step up and invest in their communities, invest in infrastructure and invest in a renewable energy future, transitioning our economy to clean energy. There's a whole range of things we could do.</para>
<para>Senator Seselja talked about the debt that's been put into JobKeeper being around 16 per cent of GDP. I'm not sure if that's net GDP. To give you a brief overview of Australia versus other advanced industrial nations: our debt is expected, at state and federal level, to exceed 30 per cent of net debt to GDP; advanced industrial nations are currently sitting around 90 per cent—three times what Australia's net debt position is. There's a very famous case study of Australia after the war, which any student of politics can tell you about: when Australia rebuilt and reshaped itself following the Second World War, our net debt to GDP was around 120 per cent, but it was paid off by growth. We should take on a lot more debt in this country, at record low interest rates. We should establish, for example, a government owned infrastructure bank. We should be using this as an opportunity, turning a crisis into an opportunity, and investing in our communities, investing in our young people and making sure everybody has a job.</para>
<para>I know Senator Siewert is going to talk more about the people who have been left behind in this crisis, those that have missed out on the JobKeeper payment and aren't eligible for the jobseeker payment, and there are way too many of them. My last point is: I'm glad that Labor have brought this motion forward for debate today. I was quite surprised when I read in the paper this morning that the Labor Party are considering tinkering with the JobKeeper system. They're proposing that casual workers and young people who weren't necessarily earning $750 a week before COVID be given a lower payment in the future so that the excess money can be allocated towards those who have missed out. We have enough money in this country to pay everyone and make sure no-one gets left behind, without taking money off workers. Remember: this was not designed to match people's wage; this was designed to be a stimulus payment, to give people money. That's what you do. Some people call it helicopter money.</para>
<para>Once again—and I promise I'll finish on this point—we shouldn't be taking money off young Australians. As we heard in contributions in question time today and from Senator McCarthy, young Australians are doing it tough. No-one is feeling the consequences of COVID more than young Australians.</para>
<para>I read an article about three or four weeks ago by Bernard Keane in Crikey saying that young Australians are doing it tough, but older Australians should form a pact with young Australians because of the sacrifice that they have made during this crisis, because they're doing it tough. Older Australians, who are much more susceptible to COVID from a health risk point of view, repay young Australians by forming a pact and helping them fight the crisis of their time, which is climate change, understanding the threats and challenges that they face. I think that's a really important point. And I hope a lot of older Australians do appreciate the sacrifices that—and rightly so—young Australians are taking by staying at home, by following the rules. So many of them have lost their job. The mental health crisis they're suffering has been well outlined in this place. It's time for an intergenerational pact between older Australians and young Australians. Once again, this could be an opportunity. We can turn a crisis into an opportunity.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:38</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>The government has been talking about getting Australia to snap back to a time before coronavirus. They've foreshadowed a return to their old agenda of cutting funding to public services, sitting back as Australians barely survive on the low rate of Newstart and undervaluing the work done by teachers, nurses and other frontline workers in our communities. This pandemic has exposed the government's faults. It's exposed their ideological preoccupations and it's exposed their shortcomings, and it's forced them to address sectors and services that they have been ignoring for years, like social security, early childhood education and manufacturing.</para>
<para>We cannot go back to how it was before. As Mr Albanese in the other place said this week, 'We must move forward to having not just survived the pandemic, but having learned from it,' and with one million Australians unemployed, there is no time to waste.</para>
<para>Before the government introduced JobKeeper it asked Australians to reach into their retirement savings to cope with the loss of income during this crisis, and it's the same advice that's been provided day after day during question time by the finance minister. People should not have to choose between a decent retirement and paying their rent. Superannuation works by putting away small amounts now, small amounts when you're young that grow to large amounts when you retire, and the consequence for a young person taking money out of their super now could be very significant at retirement.</para>
<para>I'm particularly concerned about the impact on women. Women already receive significantly less than men in their retirement, they retire with significantly smaller balances than men, and the government is now inviting them to take as much as $20,000 out of their superannuation to get by. Taking money out of your retirement if your balance right now is only $40,000 could have a very, very significant impact on meagre earnings that have been put away.</para>
<para>Australians working in the hospitality and arts sectors have accessed their super more than any other workers during the COVID-19 crisis, and it's no surprise because these are the sectors who are most likely to be excluded from JobKeeper because of the narrow terms on which JobKeeper has been reconstructed. Labor has been calling for more support for these sectors so that young people, women and vulnerable workers are not required to rely on their super but instead receive proper government support. The government's policy decision means that thousands of people have relied on their savings to get through difficult times, and the sad truth is that these savings will need to be rebuilt.</para>
<para>This is not a Young Liberal debating contest. This is a $3 trillion system that Australians depend on. In establishing the scheme, the minister should not have embarked on a rapid rollout of a major reform whilst wilfully ignoring warnings from the industry about the risk of fraud, because exactly what the minister was warned about has come to pass. She's on the record as having rebuffed those warnings, telling the industry that there was nothing to worry about, that perfectly adequate protections were in place, but that wasn't right. It wasn't right at all. Those protections were not adequate, and the minister was forced to suspend the scheme that she put in place because of the fraud risks that eventuated exactly as she was warned. I say this: this was a time when the government ought to have cooperated with industry. It ought to have put aside its ideological attacks on super, it's endless determination to undermine this system, and actually—</para>
<para class="italic">Senator Hume interjecting—</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>HZB</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>Sorry, Senator McAllister. Senator Hume, interjections are not warranted. Thank you, Senator McAllister.</para>
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  <talker>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McALLISTER</name>
    <name.id>121628</name.id>
  </talker>
  <para>This was a time to work with the industry, to put aside ideological preoccupations and to cooperate with business. It's a very great shame that this does not appear to have been the approach so far.</para>
<para>I want to make some remarks about the impact of the crisis on women and the need to pay particular attention to women's economic circumstances. Time and time again, the impact of significant changes to women's economic circumstances are under-reported and under-recognised. This week the ABS released figures that showed overall employment decreased by 7½ per cent between 14 March and 18 April this year. That is a substantial change in the labour market. However, while male unemployment fell by 6.2 per cent, female unemployment fell by 8.1 per cent. That's a difference of nearly two percentage points. Associate Professor Alysia Blackham, who researches workplace discrimination and inequality at the University of Melbourne, said that the pandemic was magnifying already existing inequalities in the labour market. She noted that women are already overrepresented in insecure work, and they are also more likely to be on casual contracts with no paid leave entitlements. It leaves them vulnerable to being cut off from their jobs, as there is no obligation to employ them on an ongoing basis or to ensure certain hours.</para>
<para>This is a government that rarely thinks very specifically about the impact of its decisions on women. On this occasion I say to the government: because of the industries they work in, because of the terms and nature of their employment, women are being hit hard by this crisis. In building policies for reconstructing Australia, we need to think in specific ways about how those policies might support women or might undermine women's interests. Men and women have very different economic lives. This pandemic has highlighted this, and the policy response needs to explicitly consider whether or not the policies advanced will help Australian women.</para>
<para>The coronavirus pandemic has affected us all, but it has also provided us as a community with an opportunity to reflect on what is important in our lives—our families, our health and our economic security. It has illustrated that we're all vulnerable to forces beyond our control and that we rely on one another for compassion and cooperation in difficult times. It's provided us with an opportunity to reflect on what we want the future to be and to think about what we want to take forward and what we want to leave behind. We do not have to simply snap back to insecure work, to jobseekers living in poverty and to science being ignored. We can have an economy that works for people, not the other way around, and a society that reflects the very best of who we can be.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:46</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HUGHES</name>
    <name.id>273828</name.id>
    <electorate>New South Wales</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In the face of a global pandemic, with its devastating financial effects and the health of our very nation being of crucial importance, Labor wants us to repeat our plan for the future of our economy—the plan to get Australians back to work and to fight the inevitable effects of the global pandemic on unemployment rates. My response to them is: haven't you been listening at all?</para>
<para>Today there was hard evidence to demonstrate that the Morrison government's plan has put a solid foundation under our economy, evidenced by the fact that unemployment figures rose just one per cent in April to 6.2 per cent. As our Prime Minister said, though, it's still a tough day for Australians. That result, though, in an environment where predictions were that unemployment would run as high as eight to 10 per cent, demonstrates that the strategy to get Australians back to work and to combat massive unemployment is already working.</para>
<para>We're supporting Australians through this difficult time. We're facing hard times, but we have a solid plan and we will recover. In this unprecedented environment, where we face a global pandemic of devastating proportions, we are getting it right. The unemployment rate is proof of the fact that the JobKeeper program is doing its work. We've worked to retain connections between businesses and employees and to ensure a pathway for millions of workers to return to their jobs. The Prime Minister and the Treasurer have been talking about plans to reignite the economy in deliberate stages. As the states ease restrictions, we will see more people return to work.</para>
<para>It might be timely to note that Labor's record on economic management is far from glowing. Even today, a party that's proved itself incapable of managing a tuckshop, a party that's been bankrupting Queensland, is now suggesting that the solution to unemployment is for their leaders to become international airline moguls. That plan will inevitably result in failure and long-term unemployment for airline workers. We welcome other bids for Virgin Airlines so that it can enjoy a long and profitable future, with secure jobs for its Australian workers.</para>
<para>In stark contrast, the Morrison-led government has, with care and the same steady, responsible economic management, developed solid solutions to a range of tough economic problems. At the centre of our economic strategy, we've been sure to care for all Australians while they've been off work. The jobseeker and JobKeeper programs have provided the pillars of support for our economy. There are six million Australians benefiting from the jobseeker, Youth Allowance and JobKeeper programs. The jobseeker and youth allowance payments provide a safety net for people while they search for a job.</para>
<para>When we talk about the unemployed in Australia, we should note that we have one of the most targeted and effective social welfare systems in the world. Almost every Australian who receives the jobseeker or youth allowance payments also receives supplementary payments on top of the base payment—so there are extra supports in place. The jobseeker payment is a temporary transitional support, with close to two-thirds of recipients expected to exit the payment system within a year.</para>
<para>What else do we do to combat unemployment and support Australians who are out of work? The JobKeeper provisions announced on 30 March, to the value of $130 billion, provide employers with $1,500 per fortnight per eligible employee. That's around 70 per cent of the median wage. For workers in the hospitality, accommodation and retail sectors, it will equate to a full median replacement wage. Payments will be made for 13 fortnights from 30 March, ending on 27 September 2020. With this stimulation for the economy we've ensured that many of those businesses forced to close during the shutdown will be able to reopen. There will be jobs for Australian workers to return to.</para>
<para>We're also seeing success on the health front. By putting in place appropriate social-distancing measures, we've slowed the spread of coronavirus. Our economic strategy is as carefully thought out as the health response to the coronavirus. That response has seen other affected countries look to Australia with envy. Australia is confronting the health and economic challenges from a position of strength.</para>
<para>We don't shy away from the fact that the effects of the coronavirus pandemic across the economy have been severe. Businesses and households are facing uncertainty and, as expected, economic activity has slowed. But our measured plan has put a floor under that economic uncertainty. The government's focus right now is not only on the health and wellbeing of Australians, it's on maintaining our strong economy so people can resume work. As the coronavirus is controlled, the Morrison led government is focusing on businesses reopening. That plan has been designed to ensure that consumers gradually regain their confidence and also return to normal. The government's economic support package has provided timely support to affected workers, businesses and the broader community and has kept Australians in work and businesses in business. In fact, without the JobKeeper program, Treasury forecast that unemployment figures could rise as high as 15 per cent for the June quarter, instead of the current forecast of 10 per cent.</para>
<para>Our economy is resilient and well placed to navigate challenges, but we know that the outbreak, social-distancing measures, economic confidence and travel restrictions are having a significant economic impact. GDP is expected to fall by 10 per cent in the June quarter, the equivalent of $50 billion. Every week that the restrictions remain in place, there is a further $4 billion reduction in economic activity due to the combination of reduced workforce participation, productivity and consumption. Going into this outbreak, however, economic activity in Australia was strengthening at the end of 2019, with the economy growing by a healthy 2.2 per cent. Our strength today lies in the fact that the economy was resilient and well placed to navigate the unprecedented challenges of this new coronavirus environment. Bringing national cabinet together to ensure that we can reopen our economies has also been integral to the response plan.</para>
<para>Our economic response to the coronavirus, totalling $320 billion—which is 16.4 per cent of annual GDP over the forward estimates—will help stop the economy stagnating and provide jobs. That fiscal package, which includes the JobKeeper payment, is front-loaded in order to instil confidence in businesses and households. The accommodative monetary policy with its flexible exchange rate will also help to mitigate the effect of negative economic shocks. It should also be remembered that Australia has a sound and well-capitalised banking sector to withstand financial market turmoil. To reiterate, on 8 May the national cabinet met to finalise the three-step plan to gradually remove baseline restrictions and make Australia COVID-safe. Implementing all three stages may see as many as 850,000 people back at work, increasing GDP by around $9.4 billion a month, and controlling the unemployment rate. Our plan to keep businesses open and Australians in jobs is well underway. Our economic response totals over $320 billion over the next four years to 2023-24. It will protect the economy by maintaining confidence and keeping people in jobs, and our approach will remain that we invest in our economy in ways that provide more jobs. We intend to support Australians during the most difficult of times. I'll quote our Prime Minister, who said today: 'that's what Australians can take hope in today … that we will see those better days'.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>16:55</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator ROBERTS</name>
    <name.id>266524</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>As a servant to the people of Queensland and Australia, I want to have a chat with Australians through a series of basic questions. Do Australians know that 120 years ago our country led the world in per capita income? We were the richest. Yet from 1923 onwards, we deviated from our Constitution and from the basics that made our country successful. We deviated more after 1944. That accelerated under Labor and Liberal-National governments in 1975 and 1976, and especially from 1996 onwards.</para>
<para>Even before the virus, our country was in an economic mess. The fundamentals showed that. Yet, despite the extra debt created by this virus, we can get out of this mess and rebuild our success, providing that members of parliament understand the key issues that Canberra caused and that we need to reverse. I stand by my initial call to go hard and quick on managing the virus. Much was unknown about it, and developed nations were reeling from it with high death rates and collapses of medical systems. At the same time, I pointed to other nations whose response has been far more effective than ours, in terms of far lower death rates and far, far lower economic impact—Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong.</para>
<para>As I said in the Senate in March and April, there's no manual on how to respond to this. Yet basic questions must be asked. We trusted the government with an open cheque and we promised accountability. I promised to hold the government accountable and am doing so, although sometimes without answer. I will continue to do so. It's my job. We all need to be realistic. Ecuadorians voted for no restraints and its citizens are burning bodies in the streets, bodies are stored in plastic bags in the streets, and people are collapsing and dying in the streets. In New York City morgues are spilling over and refrigerated trucks are standing by, and hospitals are overwhelmed. Yet in the same nation Florida is doing much better. Why?</para>
<para>As for the COVIDSafe app, our initial investigation showed the app was secure, yet the storage of data was a risk. I would not download the app because I don't trust government. The privacy bill today fixes the storage issues—yet now we learn that the app is an invasion of privacy, after hackers showed it is not secure and can be used to spy on people. I don't trust government. In this speech I will show why I do not trust Liberal or Labor governments especially the 1996 to 2007 federal government—for which, I confess, I voted. After seven years research following that government, I concluded it was one of the greatest wreckers of our nation and bypassers of our Constitution.</para>
<para>As citizens and as taxpayers, let's have a discussion. I'll ask some basic questions, and people can answer for themselves. To people who say that a small percentage of the population dying doesn't matter and who want to stop all isolation: are you willing to name one or two close friends or family members you're offering up to die to save our economy? If so, can you speak their names aloud. Isn't preserving and protecting life every government's No. 1 job? Can we put a dollar value on the sanctity of life? No.</para>
<para>Now let's ask what constituents are wondering—or, indeed, shouting. Isn't it true that the government relies on Neil Ferguson's pandemic models and predictions at the Imperial College London for the basis of its management of COVID-19? Isn't it true that Neil Ferguson leads a 50-strong team at the Imperial College London with ties to the UN's corrupt World Health Organization? Isn't it true that American officials admit Ferguson's modelling influenced the USA's response? Did the government know that in 2005 Ferguson said that up to 200 million people could die from bird flu, yet between 2003 and 2009 only 282 people died worldwide from bird flu?</para>
<para>Did the government know that, based on Ferguson's advice, the British government estimated that swine flu would lead to 65,000 deaths, yet in the UK only 457 people died, with a death rate around one-twentieth of Ferguson's prediction? Did the government know that Ferguson's 2001 modelling on foot and mouth disease was severely wrong and that his advice to cull animals on neighbouring properties without symptoms cost the British economy 10 billion pounds? What about Ferguson's 2002 prediction that between 50 and 50,000 people would die from mad cow disease and that there would be possibly up to 150,000 deaths? There have been only 177 deaths in Britain. This guy keeps getting it wrong, badly. Experts internationally have discredited the Imperial College's modelling assumptions. Have models from Ferguson's college been subjected to external scrutiny? Why was widespread testing such as Taiwan's or South Korea's not modelled? Ferguson's Imperial College model saw Sweden having 15 times more deaths by 1 May than actually occurred. Why did Ferguson break his own recommendation to maintain a significant social distancing indefinitely until a vaccine is developed? Why, as warned in my letter of 16 April to the Prime Minister, was no second advisory team funded to critique the primary team? Why not have a blue team, and also a red team to check the blue team's work? Did the government put blind faith in a foreigner without understanding despite his record of huge catastrophic errors and failures?</para>
<para>Who is accountable for the <inline font-style="italic">Ruby Princess</inline> cruise boat debacle causing a high proportion of Australia's infections and deaths? Isn't it true that the senior Border Force officer on duty on the boat order the captain under section 64 of the Customs Act to not disembark customers? Is the government aware that he then told a more senior officer of the direction he gave to the <inline font-style="italic">Ruby Princess</inline> captain and that the more senior officer overruled the previous order, and passengers disembarked? We've been given the name of the more senior officer who reportedly reversed the order. Would the government like to know his name? Would the government like to know further information about the breaking of Customs laws at the scene? It has previously been reported that before disembarkation a person from the Department of Home Affairs contacted Border Force officers. What was the nature of instructions or information in that contact? Why did the more senior officer authorise the bulk disembarkation of the passengers despite evidence of coronavirus outbreak on the ship?</para>
<para>Now let's turn to Victoria. The Cedar Meats abattoir is associated with one-third of Australia's cases. Why did the Victorian government enable this? Outbreaks at aged-care facilities represent 60 per cent of deaths. Why did we not change strategy to that of Taiwan, which has a similar population to Australia's, had earlier and greater exposure to China, is more densely populated than Australia and yet only has had only seven deaths compared with our 100? Why can't we keep the sick and vulnerable isolated—as I mentioned on 23 March and 8 April in the Senate and in my letters to the PM—and allow the healthy to return to work as normal under a regime of testing, as successfully done in Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong, with their low death rates and a healthy economy? How many died from the coronavirus and how many died with the coronavirus?</para>
<para>Let's turn to discuss leadership. Are the following traits of effective leadership? Not sharing the data? No. Not trusting the people with the plan of where we're going? no. Repeatedly stating the phrase 'six months hibernation' early on? No. Is all states going in separate directions evidence of a lack of data, lack of unity, plenty of political interference or of a national cabinet not working? Why do state and federal governments seek to control people arbitrarily? Why are footballers like Bryce Cartwright risking their careers and their family livelihood because the Queensland state government forces them to be infected with a compulsory flu shot? No-one can link it to the coronavirus yet the state government makes it a condition of restarting our rugby league competition. Why are triggers in state and federal road maps to exit isolation not based on objective data but are simply a matter of political opinion? Does the government expect that Australians will be sent home in three to six weeks time to curb the second wave of COVID-19 outbreaks or the third or the fourth? How will that be enforced? What does the government's model that shares basic assumptions with Neil Ferguson's Imperial College models say about the number of times isolation will be ordered and released? Doesn't it say there will be outbreak spikes needing future isolation? Quoting from the UK government's official declaration Health Department:</para>
<quote><para class="block">As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a High Consequence Infectious Disease … in the UK.</para></quote>
<para>Yet it remains a threat, doesn't it? I know that, albeit much lower than originally thought.</para>
<para>In my first corona speech, on Monday 23 March, I named the virus the Chinese Communist Party-UN virus because of the UN's culpability in giving wrong and contradictory advice and making dishonest statements. I later called for inquiry into the Chinese Communist Party's role in the pandemic. Why did the Prime Minister recently call for the UN's failed and corrupt World Health Organization to be given the power of weapons inspectors, especially after the World Health Organization lied about the corona? Recently, last October, Scott Morrison called for a review of what he said was 'unaccountable internationalist bureaucracy'. Yet, around 1 May, this Prime Minister said, 'Australia will do what is in our interest, in the global interest.' Why does he now contradict himself a second time? Which of his statements is the truth?</para>
<para>Why did Lib-Lab governments at federal and state levels sell assets to the Chinese Communist Party? They sold electricity assets, essential assets, and subsidised the Chinese to install solar panels and wind turbines in Australia that are destroying our electricity grid and sending jobs to China. Why did the government sell the Port of Darwin to the Chinese or sell Murray-Darling Basin water to Chinese companies under the 2007 Howard-Turnbull Water Act? Senator Patrick called five times for an inquiry into the relationship between Australia and China. Each time I spoke in favour, and each time the Labor and Liberal-National Parties voted against the inquiry. Why?</para>
<para>Why is New South Wales Labor now praising China, demanding welfare payments for foreign students, wanting more taxpayer subsidies for arts programs for the wealthy? Does the government know that the Chinese Communist Party is close to the UN and pushes its policies? Why does the UN's World Health Organization, with its close relationship to the Chinese Communist Party, never mention Taiwan, the stand-out successful performer for managing COVID-19? When will state and federal Lib-Lab governments give us our lives back and our basic freedoms? Anything that is needed with the permission of government is not a freedom.</para>
<para>Corporate bonds—let's consider them. A Liberal senator recently mentioned his deep concern about our Reserve Bank of Australia buying corporate bonds. That's a transfer of wealth from taxpayers to foreign companies, and a transfer of risk from those companies to we taxpayers. Why? The former deputy commissioner of taxation Jim Killaly said in 1996 and in 2010 that 90 per cent of Australia's large companies are foreign owned and since 1953 have paid little or no company tax. The 14 largest companies in our country are foreign owned. Why do Lib-Lab governments encourage companies to use our assets and exploit our resources yet pay no company tax?</para>
<para>This is not the first time Liberal-Labor-National policies have cost the people billions of dollars based on no real data. Consider these areas of policy failure now hurting Australians: energy; stealing farmers' rights to use land that they own but can't use; water policy and the 2007 Turnbull-Howard Water Act that pushed farmers aside and put compliance with international agreements to the foremost priority; over-regulation with red tape, green tape and UN blue tape; and UN control of World Heritage areas, fishing and immigration. Even Sydney's Warragamba water dam supply is under UN control, effectively. Immigration policy is under the UN Human Rights Council and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. The Iraq War was based on the furphy of weapons of mass destruction that did not exist. Public money is blown with no empirical data or justification again and again.</para>
<para>Former Western Australian Premier Richard Court's book <inline font-style="italic">Rebuilding the Federation</inline> documents in detail the dismantling of our nation. COVID-19 has exposed our weaknesses because we have adopted the globalist policies of interdependence that make us dependent on others. We have lost our independence and now depend on foreigners. COVID-19 has exposed that we lost our manufacturing security. UN treaties, protocols, agreements and declarations in Lima in 1975, in Rio in 1992, in Kyoto in 2005 and in Paris in 2015, and many others, have stolen our national sovereignty and destroyed our governments, our productive capacity, our economic resilience, our independence and our security.</para>
<para>When will Labor, Liberals and Nationals stop blowing billions of dollars without data? In this case, on COVID-19, it's $320 billion. This is why I do not trust Liberal-Labor-National governments. We need to celebrate Australia's people, resources, opportunities and potential. We need to recognise that what Liberal-Labor governments have done since 1944 is selling us out—literally selling our future. We need to get back to basics, return to reality, to bring back our country. It's common sense. All people need, all we want, is to be heard and to be given a fair go.</para>
<para>We need leaders who use our assets—the people's assets—for our people, our country. We need people to stop believing in big government, believe instead in ourselves, our country, and take back our rights at the ballot box. The people are the rulers; our Constitution says so. The first step in bringing back our country is to admit the causes of its economic destruction and then end the treason to bring back our country, personal freedoms and rights under our laws, values and culture. Liberal-Labor governments over the last 76 years have handed over our sovereignty. To regain our high standards of living we need to bring back Australia. Voters need to take responsibility at the ballot box and elect trustworthy representatives who truthfully use solid data to serve our country. The people will then trust elected MPs to serve our nation.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:10</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator STOKER</name>
    <name.id>237920</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I appreciate this opportunity to reflect on the impact of the coronavirus on Australians and Queenslanders so far. It's been hard for people facing work shutdowns. It has been hard for business owners who are not sure if they are going to make it through. It's been hard for families as they were thrown into the deep end of home schooling, often trying to work from home at the same time. It's been hard for the elderly and the sick, who face the knowledge that this virus is most dangerous to them, and they faced additional isolation as a result. But through all of that hardship, every step of the way, the Morrison government has been there with an unprecedented subsidy of the $130 billion JobKeeper payment to keep Australians in work and connected to their workplaces so that they can have that continuity and so those businesses can bounce back as quickly as possible; with expanded assistance for those who have lost jobs through the JobSeeker payment as well allowances relating to rent, phones and other expenses; with the expansion of the instant asset write-off, the business cash flow boost and the jobs hub to help businesses navigate these difficult times; and with the COVID supplement to help welfare recipients to stimulate the economy. I could keep going but I think those in the chamber get the idea.</para>
<para>It's a lot of spending. I'm not ashamed to say that that level of spending pushes my boundaries but it should because it's not my money or the government's money; it's your money, the Australian public's money, the taxpayers' money and it's our children's money. I'm reassured by the knowledge that these are temporary measures to get us through this difficult time and I am reassured by the knowledge that these measures are working. I hear it from individuals and businesses all over Queensland.</para>
<para>Ryan Shaw, the LNP's candidate for Nudgee, recently met with the owner of VEND Marketplace in Virginia, who said that the JobKeeper payment has helped maintain his tenants because the businesses who lease shops in that centre are able to keep opening with the benefit of the JobKeeper boost. My office has heard from Malcolm Dickens from Dickens Training and Assessment Services. He provides vocational training in the construction and earthmoving industries. It is a wonderful Queensland business that provides training across Queensland and even into New South Wales. Not only have they benefited from JobKeeper payments to keep their staff on but they've particularly benefited from the cash flow boost implemented by the Morrison government and this has allowed them to adjust their workplace to continue to deliver training in a COVID-safe economy.</para>
<para>I was really pleased to hear from my friend and colleague Angie Bell, the member for Moncrieff, that the JobKeeper program made it possible for the Southport Yacht Club to stay in business. It is a community club which has been operational since 1949.</para>
<para>Surfers Paradise MP John-Paul Langbroek told me that his electorate in the small business capital of Queensland—which statistically it is—was hurting given the downturn in tourism that has come about due to the closing of borders and the requirement for Australians to stay home. Thousands of restaurants, cafes and shops normally thrive in that bustling little community. But many have been brought to their knees by COVID-19. Thanks to the JobKeeper program, many of them have been able to keep their doors open, and I will give just a couple of examples. The Edgewater Restaurant, run by John and Tracey Cianci, is open again for business on Saturday, with staff being supported by the Morrison government's JobKeeper program. The Moana Restaurant, on the Isle of Capri, has been able to retain long-term staff by pivoting so that they can provide takeaways, and they'll open for dinners from this weekend. Lincoln Testa, from Madison's Cafe in Broadbeach, said: 'Thank God for JobKeeper! We wouldn't be here without it.'</para>
<para>Based in Townsville, Ashley Evans, who owns AAA+ Financial Solutions and AAA Consulting, says that his business has survived because of the JobKeeper payment. Importantly, though, he says that he's been receiving really positive feedback from clients across northern and western Queensland to say that JobKeeper has been vital for them. Ashley's been helping his clients to navigate all the changes taking place in the assistance that's available from government and the changes in our economy that have come as we adapt to the COVID environment. He's also been working closely with banks to help organise complementary finance to ensure that businesses are able to keep making payroll while they have waited for early JobKeeper payments to arrive. Ashley says passionately that JobKeeper is exactly the lifeline that small businesses across regional Queensland have desperately needed.</para>
<para>I've also heard from Nick Braban, a bar owner, that, due to the JobKeeper and cashflow boost payments, he's been able to pivot his businesses, given that they weren't able to be open in the usual way, so that he has been able to keep the doors open at his Isles Lane and Beirne Lane venues in Fortitude Valley.</para>
<para>I could keep listing great examples like those, but I'm also struck by the ingenuity of Australian businesses that have been able to dramatically adapt their operations to these times. Nowhere is that clearer than in the way that Queensland manufacturers have pivoted to producing personal protective equipment, or PPE, and medical equipment to sustain the needs of our population and our health system during this time. Gold Coast company Triple Eight Race Engineering is now manufacturing an emergency invasive ventilator that's suitable for a range of situations, including where there are suboptimal conditions, such as not being in a hospital. The ventilator has been designed by Triple Eight to meet the technical specifications that the regulators require. It's a self-contained unit that doesn't require a medical-grade air supply unit to function. It's really very clever—and a great way that they've adapted to the challenges of this time. It means that we will be able to deliver great health services even outside the hospitals of our capitals.</para>
<para>Brisbane company OzVader began with its project founder Tony Sprague messaging a mate out of frustration at the climbing COVID-19 statistics around the globe and going, 'What if we could have done something here?' So, since then, Tony and a team of engineers and medics have designed and built a production-ready, safe and functional medical ventilator. It's a life-saving response to a global ventilator shortage caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. The OzVader V1 is undergoing functional testing at the medical engineering research facility at Prince Charles Hospital in Brisbane. What an accomplishment in a short period of time!</para>
<para>Brisbane company 3D One are supplying world-first 3D printed patient customised medical devices for protecting healthy tissue in cancer treatment, and they're doing that with distribution throughout Australia and New Zealand at a rate of more than 60 per week currently. They have a fleet of 20 really quite serious 3D printers but, due to strong local and now international demand, they've needed to greatly increase their manufacturing capacity. Who would have thought there'd be stories of great growth amidst all of this hardship? By their pivot, they've now been able to develop their own large-format 3D printers, custom designed for printing these world-first radiation treatments. Now, after a series of prototypes and rigorous testing, they've entered large-scale production. They switched their 3D printers during this time so that not only are they producing assistance for those who are going through radiation and other cancer treatments but they're now printing PPE. They've crowdsourced more 3D printed parts from all over Australia, and that's how they are rather ingeniously keeping up with PPE demand from Australian hospitals.</para>
<para>I have great faith in Australian businesses and their tenacity to get through this difficulty, I have great faith in the resilience of Australia's working people and the fighting spirit of Queenslanders as they get through this difficult time, and I have enormous belief in the way that they have gathered together as a community and acknowledged the need to support each other as we get through this difficult time together. I'll conclude by saying to each and every one of those Queenslanders: the Morrison government is here with you every step of the way through this challenging time.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:21</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise tonight to make a contribution to today's general business notice of motion on the JobKeeper and jobseeker payments. Today the Australian Bureau of Statistics released labour force statistics for April. The figures are dire, as I think anybody in this chamber would have seen. The number of unemployed people increased by 104,500. The unemployment rate increased from 5.2 per cent to 6.2 per cent. The underemployment rate increased to a record high of 13.7 per cent. The underutilisation rate, which combines the unemployment and underemployment rates, also rose to a record high of 19.9 per cent. These are scary figures. What does it mean for our future?</para>
<para>But, unfortunately, these figures mask the real damage being done. Jim Stanford, director of the Australia Institute's Centre for Future Work, pointed out the following gaps in the latest statistics. Last month, half a million people—500,000 Australians—left the labour market. This means that they haven't been counted in the figures—hence his concern that in fact we don't have the true picture. Further, there were another 750,000 people who were counted as employed but didn't work a single hour. This is partly because of the way JobKeeper keeps people attached to the labour market even if there's no work. I'm not passing judgement on that—at least people are getting paid—but it does also need to be taken into consideration when we're looking at the overall number of jobs that are available. Finally, in April there was a big drop in the number of hours people are working. Average monthly hours for those still employed fell by seven hours per worker. That's equivalent to around 600,000 positions—hence Jim Stanford's concern that these figures are not telling the full picture. I'd argue this is even further warning that we need to make sure that we keep the jobseeker payment and that the JobKeeper payment is available for workers. Because of these gaps, Jim Stanford estimates that a more meaningful figure for unemployment is around 20 per cent. I'm deeply concerned that the number of unemployed Australians will keep growing, given these figures.</para>
<para>But there are also so many that are missing out on the supports. Senator Stoker went through those supports, as have other contributors to this debate. I've already outlined to this place how much I was pleased to see the jobseeker payment doubled, and the Greens were strongly lobbying for some form of wage subsidy scheme, so of course we're pleased to see JobKeeper, but the fact is that people are missing out, people are being left behind. The jobseeker payment is not available to those on visas. People on disability support pension and carers payment are missing out on the supplement, and in my adjournment contribution I'm going to go into that in much further detail. International students are missing out. Temporary visa holders are missing out on JobKeeper. Casuals who haven't had their job for more than 12 months miss out on JobKeeper, meaning a million workers are missing out on JobKeeper.</para>
<para>We cannot forget those who are being left behind. Younger workers and women are feeling the effects of unemployment the most. I'm deeply concerned about older workers. We knew, before the pandemic hit, that older workers were getting stuck on the old Newstart, now jobseeker, for much longer. I'm deeply concerned about the future for older workers, and I know there are many older workers who are also worried, because I'm hearing from them. I'm hearing from them concerned about their futures. In fact, some are saying, 'Will I ever work again?' We need to make sure that they do work again. We do not want to see older workers going into retirement in poverty. These are some of the hardest-hit cohorts.</para>
<para>I'm deeply concerned that this situation is going to get far worse come September, when the government think they're going to wave a wand and magically everything is going to be okay again. Well, unfortunately it isn't going to snap back, and we need to be planning for that now. We need to be planning for the fact that there are still, unfortunately, going to be people who either can't find work or are underemployed. That's why we need to retain the new jobseeker payment. Today's figures show how critical it is that we do everything we can to support Australians through this crisis and its ongoing effects. There is simply no guarantee that people are going to miraculously get their jobs back at the end of September, because, quite frankly, some of those jobs won't exist at the end of September.</para>
<para>If the government make policy decisions about the rate of jobseeker because of the arbitrary deadlines and some coalition members who are already lobbying for jobseeker and JobKeeper to end, that's based on ideological measures, not reality. It simply is not based on reality. The government knew that you couldn't survive on $40 a day. They quite clearly knew that. That's clearly demonstrated by the fact that they doubled the jobseeker payment. They doubled it knowing that people need more than $40 a day. That same truth is going to still be in place in September.</para>
<para>We already have experts saying that a sudden withdrawal of support could spark a double-dip recession. Yes, we need to work together, and we have been, by and large, working together to get us through this crisis, and the supports that have been put in place are really, genuinely helping people, but withdrawing them come September will mean that people are dropped into poverty. They won't be able to pay their rent. They won't be able to pay their mortgage or their daily living expenses. They simply won't be able to survive on $40 a day. We cannot go back to $40 a day for our income support system. This country is far better than that. We can't wind back supports to $40 a day come 25 September. We need to be making sure that we are showing that we are a fair and decent community and continue to support people through the ongoing effects of this pandemic. I seek leave to continue my remarks later.</para>
<para>Leave granted; debate adjourned.</para>
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        <page.no>101</page.no>
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          <title>Economics References Committee</title>
          <page.no>101</page.no>
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            <title>Membership</title>
            <page.no>101</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">The DEPUTY PRESIDENT</name>
    <name.id>112096</name.id>
    <electorate></electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Order! The President has received a letter requesting changes in the membership of committees.</para>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SESELJA</name>
    <name.id>HZE</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>by leave—I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That Senator O'Neill replace Senator Kitching on the Economics References Committee for the committee's inquiry into the review of foreign investment proposals.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
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        <page.no>101</page.no>
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          <title>Health Insurance Amendment (General Practitioners and Quality Assurance) Bill 2020</title>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:30</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SESELJA</name>
    <name.id>HZE</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill may proceed without formalities and be now read a first time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a first time.</para>
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            <page.no>101</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:31</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SESELJA</name>
    <name.id>HZE</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a second time.</para></quote>
<para>I seek leave to have the second reading speech incorporated in <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline>.</para>
<para>Leave granted.</para>
<para class="italic"> <inline font-style="italic">The speech read as follows—</inline></para>
<quote><para class="block">I am pleased to introduce the Health Insurance Amendment (General Practitioners and Quality Assurance) Bill 2020. The Bill amends the <inline font-style="italic">Health Insurance Act 1973</inline> (HIA) to support simplifying Medicare administrative processes for recognition as a specialist general practitioner (GP) for Medicare purposes under the HIAand will align Medicare eligibility for GPs with the National Registration and Accreditation Scheme (NRAS) requirements<inline font-style="italic">. </inline>The Bill also removes legal ambiguity in relation to the definition of a quality assurance activity in Part VC of the HIA.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The current pathway to recognise a GP in the HIA requires a medical practitioner who has gained fellowship as a GP to apply to Services Australia for access to GP rebates and also to apply to the Medical Board of Australia (MBA) for specialist registration in the field of general practice. Implementation of the Bill will mean that Services Australia systems will, through an automated data exchange, utilise national registration data held by the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (Ahpra) to determine this access, removing this duplicative process for GPs.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The NRAS commenced in 2010 and provides a nationally consistent process for registering specialist GPs. This includes mandatory reporting requirements for continuing professional development (CPD). Ahpra, in administering the national registration process, provides the most up to date and accurate data on all registered practitioners.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill will provide a new definition of general practitioner as one who is a specialist in the field of general practice under the <inline font-style="italic">Health Practitioner Regulation National Law 2009 </inline>(Qld), as applied by States and Territories. A corresponding National Law is also implemented by Western Australia. Outdated provisions in the HI Act providing for medical practitioners to gain access to higher GP rebates will be repealed. There will be grandfathering and transition arrangements made in the <inline font-style="italic">Health Insurance Regulations 2018</inline> to ensure that GPs who are currently eligible for higher GP rebates will continue to be able to access these higher rebates. This includes the cohort of GPs who are or have been on the Vocational Register who meet the eligibility criteria. These are medical practitioners who do not necessarily hold fellowship in general practice as they were in practice prior to fellowship and specialist registration becoming a requirement.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Royal Australian College of General Practitioners (RACGP) and the Australian College of Rural and Remote Medicine (ACRRM) will continue to be critical in setting professional standards for the specialty of general practice in Australia and will work with the MBA to ensure continuing quality in general practice.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill will not impact on Medicare eligibility for international medical graduates or on Australian trained graduates who are on a workforce program or a GP training pathway with either ACRRM or RACGP.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Bill also makes a minor but important technical change in relation to the Commonwealth Qualified Privilege Scheme. It will not affect the operation of Part VC of the HIA but will remove an ambiguity.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The Commonwealth Qualified Privilege Scheme under Part VC of the HIA is designed to encourage participation in quality assurance activities that are aimed at improving the quality of the health care system. The purpose of the Commonwealth Qualified Privilege Scheme is to protect from public disclosure any personal and identifiable information that becomes known solely as a result of a declared quality assurance activity and it protects certain health care professionals involved in the activity from civil liability.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">To be eligible for a declaration, a quality assurance program must be funded under at least one of the Commonwealth Health funded programs covered by the definition. This Bill will repeal an outdated reference to a former Appropriation Act and replaces it with the correct reference to the <inline font-style="italic">Federal Financial Relations Act 2009</inline>.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Despite the previous reference to the outdated appropriation legislation, the Bill also ensures that activities declared on or after 1 July 2009 are taken to have been valid declarations.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Conclusion</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">The introduction of the NRAS in 2010 for health professions has modernised the regulation of health professions by creating a single and national regulatory framework.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Streamlining the process for GPs to be recognised for appropriate access to Medicare rebates removes duplication and red tape and allows for a simpler, more efficient process for GPs to qualify for GP specialty and reduces processing for Services Australia.</para></quote>
<para>Debate adjourned.</para>
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          <title>Telecommunications (Regional Broadband Scheme) Charge Bill 2019</title>
          <page.no>102</page.no>
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            <title>Returned from the House of Representatives</title>
            <page.no>102</page.no>
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            <title>Third Reading</title>
            <page.no>102</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SESELJA</name>
    <name.id>HZE</name.id>
    <electorate>Australian Capital Territory</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I move:</para>
<quote><para class="block">That this bill be now read a third time.</para></quote>
<para>Question agreed to.</para>
<para>Bill read a third time.</para>
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          <title>Telecommunications Legislation Amendment (Competition and Consumer) Bill 2019</title>
          <page.no>102</page.no>
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            <title>Returned from the House of Representatives</title>
            <page.no>102</page.no>
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        <title>ADJOURNMENT</title>
        <page.no>102</page.no>
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          <title>Social Media: Standards</title>
          <page.no>102</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:32</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator HENDERSON</name>
    <name.id>ZN4</name.id>
    <electorate>Victoria</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>In recent months, we've spoken a lot about being in this together. The coronavirus pandemic has tested us as a nation like never before, perhaps not since World War II. Australians have welcomed the national cabinet and the new spirit of bipartisanship and co-operation across the political divide as we work together, with the Australian people, to save lives and livelihoods. Thats what Australians rightly want and expect.</para>
<para>I am all for a contest of ideas, a robust debate about policy and which party has more to offer, underpinned by the rule of law and the Western liberal democratic values of our great nation. But this crisis has reinforced to me that the politics of hate and personal vilification have no place in Australian society.</para>
<para>Over four federal elections campaigns contesting and then defending the seat of Corangamite—one of the country's most marginal seats—I experienced first-hand a marked deterioration in political standards. While I will address these issues in more detail at another time, I stand here today as a proud Senator for Victoria to call out the actions of my political opponents behind two vile anonymous Twitter accounts. The handles are: @ShendersonMPNOT, established in June 2016 with the name SarahendersonSenatorNoWay formerly called SarahendersonMPNoWay; and    @Geelong_Elite, established in May 2019 with the name Geelong Aristocrats UNCENSORED.</para>
<para>The owners of these Geelong based accounts have published, anonymously, hundreds of degrading, vile and defamatory comments about me, which included labelling me a criminal facing jail. For instance, on 22 May 2019, after I lost my seat of Corangamite, Geelong_Elite posted: 'Sychophant @SHendersonMP OUT OF OFFICE and now INTO JAIL #embezzlement #voterintimidation #humanrights #auspol. The people of Corangamite are celebrating tonight.' This post included a photo of my face superimposed over what appears to be a doctored mugshot photo of another woman, also called Sarah Henderson, from Texas, who had been arrested and charged with shooting dead her two children. This photo is also the profile photo for the account. How utterly abhorrent.</para>
<para>In the case of @ShendersonMPNot, I am deeply concerned to report that there may be a connection with the current Labor member for Corangamite. In the lead-up to the 2016 election, as the Member for Corangamite I participated in a debate organised by Geelong Business Network, on 22 June, with the then Labor candidate, Libby Coker. During the debate, a denigrating post was published on this account stating that I looked like a 1960's air hostess. Someone in the room had created that post. To her absolute credit, a female community leader attending the event told me she had seen the post and was appalled and said to Ms Coker: 'If this has anything to do with you, it needs to stop.' The post was removed within minutes. This was either an extraordinary coincidence or, at that time at least, Ms Coker had some direct or indirect connection with this Twitter account. She needs to provide a full, honest explanation.</para>
<para>Twitter management has refused to provide any information as to the identity of the account's owners and my attempts to have the @ShendersonMPNOT account removed through Twitter's complaints process failed. While Twitter will provide identifying information as a result of a police complaint or legal action, social media platforms need to take greater responsibility for what they publish. Social media behaviour is a serious community issue that has led to tragic outcomes. It's one our government takes very seriously. Under the Criminal Code, it is an offence to use a carriage service to 'menace, harass or cause offence'.</para>
<para>I tried for a long time to ignore this, thinking that this was the best approach, but not any more. Our political system is better than this. I will now be referring this matter to police to investigate.</para>
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          <title>COVID-19: South Australia</title>
          <page.no>103</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:37</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator MARIELLE SMITH</name>
    <name.id>281603</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I'm very grateful for the opportunity to be back here in the Senate this week, having originally been told that I wouldn't get the opportunity until August. If there's one thing this week has shown us it is how important it is that we continue our scrutiny of the government and we continue our legislative work in this place. I'm pleased that the government has come on board with Labor's plan to return the parliament to a more regular sitting and I'm very pleased that we are able to support that today and announce it today.</para>
<para>These have been absolutely extraordinary times. We are living in the midst of a heartbreaking and life-changing crisis. We are told that COVID-19 represents a one-in-100-year pandemic. For many South Australians it represents the stuff of nightmares. Almost overnight we've seen our health system under strain, our economy devastated, small businesses closed, workers stood down, too many left behind, South Australian lives lost and fear, dismay and despair. These have been dark times and lonely times for many in my community. But they are not the end of times, they are not the end of opportunity, the end of hope, the end of growth or the end of the things that we hold dear. If we in this place respond in the right manner, these times could represent a new beginning, a chance to reset, to rebuild and to work towards a fairer and more just Australia. That is my hope, but it is a fair way into our future.</para>
<para>On the health front, SA has fared better than our neighbours, but we have not been immune to the health impacts of this crisis and nor should we be under any illusion that the health crisis is over. Whilst we haven't seen the complete run on our health system that we feared, that's not to say it's been without challenge or anxiety. Early on in this crisis I heard directly from doctors on the front line of SA's response who were frightened to go to work, frightened of the risks that going to work presented to them, frightened of what they could bring home to their families, frightened of what they might see at work, frightened because they didn't have enough access to PPE or to swabs, and terrified of the God-like choices they may have to make at work that they were seeing their colleagues in places like Italy and the UK having to make. For their dedication, for the burden of anxiety and fear that they shouldered on our behalf, for the sacrifices they made and were prepared to make for us, we can never thank them enough.</para>
<para>Nor can we offer enough thanks to our frontline workers. For too long, those in frontline roles have been underpaid and undervalued, and we should let this continue no longer. In this crisis, it's our supermarket workers; truck drivers; police officers; fast-food workers; cleaners; bus, train and tram drivers; warehousing staff; teachers; early childhood workers; aged-care workers—among so many other essential workers who have turned up to work every day to keep us safe, at risk to themselves and their families. To those workers: I see you, I value you, and I will keep fighting in this place with my Labor colleagues so that your value is recognised in how you are paid and how you are treated in your workplace.</para>
<para>To our teachers and early childhood educators, if your work wasn't valued by parents before, I can assure you there is not a single parent in Australia who does not value you now. Our teachers and early childhood workers do the most important job in our community: they hold our productivity and our prosperity, our future, in their hands. These have been tough and anxious times, and the government's childcare changes have made it very uncertain for a lot of you. Thank you for your service.</para>
<para>Of course, not everyone who has wanted to go to work in the past months has been able to, so we give our thanks to those who stayed home, working away from their workplace to keep our community safe. But, more importantly, to those who have been stood down and can't go to work because the workplace has closed or has ceased to exist: we haven't forgotten you. These are deeply stressful and troubling times, but I assure you we will fight for your workplace too. We want you back at work; we want our community back. Many of you have benefited from the wage subsidy JobKeeper—a subsidy we fought for and proposed, and we welcome the government adopting it—but we know that far too many people have been left behind, including our arts workers. Almost a million casuals have been left behind. The Treasurer could fix it with the stroke of a pen, but he hasn't. Workers at firms like dnata were told they were entitled to JobKeeper, but a change of mind changed their lives.</para>
<para>There is a long road ahead. The unemployment figures today, especially in my state, don't tell the whole story. Whether we're speaking about our health or our economy, there are likely to be many more dark and difficult days ahead of us. More than ever, we need to care for those close to us, value those supporting us and fight for those who cannot afford to be left behind. <inline font-style="italic">Time expired.</inline></para>
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          <title>Pensions and Benefits</title>
          <page.no>104</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:42</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator SIEWERT</name>
    <name.id>e5z</name.id>
    <electorate>Western Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise tonight to speak on the government's failure to properly support disabled people and carers during the COVID-19 pandemic. I need to let the government now how abandoned disabled people and carers feel by this government for not including them in the COVID-19 supplement. These are just a few of the hundreds of experiences that have been shared with me over the last few weeks:</para>
<quote><para class="block">Being on DSP is hard enough under normal circumstances. So many of our everyday expenses have at least doubled in the past few weeks—eg grocery prices and added delivery charges because we need to self-isolate and not leave the house.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I still have two kids to care for on my DSP payment. It's not just about me getting more money. I'm raising a family just like those on parenting payment. Why are our children's needs different?</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I've seen big increases in food and pharmacy items. Panamax on special at Chemist Warehouse is usually 79c, with the normal price at $2.79. Now it's around $5. I also can't get Ventolin at the moment and I have scripts.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I'm paying $15 per delivery and can only purchase one or two of each item. This means no more bulk-buying to save on delivery fees.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I am unable to access any PPE and struggling to find the essentials, meaning more energy-sapping, running around online. It seems all groceries are full price, barely any specials, which is great for supermarket shareholders but not for us.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">Having to try and stock up one month in advance for medication, with no disposable income, is near impossible. It's demoralising not being included in the conversations around COVID-19.</para></quote>
<quote><para class="block">I'm virtually housebound at the moment because I can't risk my weak immune system being compromised. I also have a respiratory condition. I rely on deliveries and my medication costs over $100 a month because the chemist does my packs for me as I am legally blind.</para></quote>
<para>Caring Fairly, a group that advocates and campaigns for carers, recently conducted a survey to see how carers are coping with the crisis—to hear firsthand from carers about the impact of COVID-19 on their health and wellbeing, work income and expenses. One carer noted: 'Due to coronavirus, my respite carers cannot care for the children, as they had to isolate. I have had to resign my job, as I have had no care for the children, who are both disabled. It's very isolating. I am unable to sleep, as I worry about how I'm going to provide for the children. Due to being on carer's payment, I'm not eligible for the $550 supplement payment. This leaves my single-parent family $400 worse off per week compared to other single-parent families with children without disabilities. I have had to delay assessments recommended for my son, as I can't afford them. It is very stressful and isolating.'</para>
<para>The survey that was undertaken by the Caring Fairly group found that, for carer payment recipients who work part-time or are self-employed to supplement their income, 42 per cent had lost some or all of their regular income since the outbreak. Forty per cent said they've had to work fewer hours because they needed to provide extra support to the person they care for and 12 per cent reported losing their job during the pandemic. People on the carer payment also reported significant cost increases associated with the coronavirus. Eighty-six per cent of carers are now spending more money on living costs. The most common increases in living costs are groceries, cleaning and medication. Eighty per cent reported having to spend more money on the person they care for. Many stated the need to pay for essentials to be delivered was a large contributor to these increased costs.</para>
<para>The government simply cannot deny that there are increased costs of living from this pandemic for those on the disability support pension and for those on the carer payment. They are bearing increased costs as well, and they deserve the supplement just like other people who are struggling to make ends meet during this pandemic. <inline font-style="italic">(Time expired)</inline></para>
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          <title>Automotive Industry</title>
          <page.no>105</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:47</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator McGRATH</name>
    <name.id>217241</name.id>
    <electorate>Queensland</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>For many Australians, the biggest battle Holden had been involved with over the last 60 years was with Ford for championship points at Bathurst. But now, sadly, it appears a bigger battle is brewing between General Motors and the Holden dealers it has been in business with for 89 years—since 1931—and there is a lot more on the line than mere bragging rights.</para>
<para>It was bad on the part of General Motors to blindside these businesses earlier this year by announcing by press release the decision to retire the Holden brand. At the time, I said that General Motors had acted with 'the ethics of a granny-smacking purse snatcher', and nothing I've heard from Holden dealers throughout Australia since then has changed my view or that of my colleagues in this parliament.</para>
<para>Mary Barra, the worldwide chair and CEO of General Motors, who has a pay package in the tens of millions of dollars, is sending Australian families to the wall. Ms Barra is now using coronavirus as an alibi for the worst corporate behaviour. Talk about Dodge City. Talk about Gordon Gekko on steroids. It now appears General Motors are privately attempting to put the screws to these Holden franchisees, forcing time lines and attempting to make dealers sign up to further oppressive agreements as part of settlements and to stretch out payments. Shame on you, General Motors. Shame on you, Ms Barra, and your American legal chicanery.</para>
<para>To put it bluntly, General Motors are trying to sneak out under the cover of COVID-19, disappear in the night and leave Australian businesses stranded after an 89-year one-night stand. This is an unforgivable stance for General Motors to be taking, particularly at a time when the Australian economy and businesses are managing the economic shock of the current pandemic. Our motor industry in Australia means our retailers, mainly family businesses, who invested heavily in facilities and people over the past 100 years at the behest of the manufacturers. I'm very concerned at the apparent stonewalling by General Motors with regard to what should be good-faith commercial negotiations with its dealers in relation to their exit from the Australian market. In hindsight, it seems General Motors has planned to subvert the franchise code, and it's been years in the making. General Motors have promised the earth and have given a bucket of sand.</para>
<para>The decision by General Motors to discontinue Holden operations in Australia is their prerogative, but they must do so responsibly and in a manner that is fair to the very people that have enabled the company to operate in the Australian marketplace. General Motors need to understand that what they're offering dealers in compensation for killing the brand is just not good enough. General Motors may think the rich history of the Holden brand in Australia is worthless, but I think it's priceless. If General Motors think the brand is worth nothing, then hand the brand back to Australia. Give it back to the Holden dealers. In fact, I'm happy to purchase the Holden brand from General Motors for a dollar. I'll send you, Ms Barra, a dollar in the post and you can give us the Holden brand back and we'll give it to the Holden dealers. This is about the livelihood of people right across the country, particularly in regional areas. It's not just about the dealers and franchisees who are impacted by the decision. It's about the mechanics, the allied trades and the owners of thousands of vehicles. I've said it before and I'll say it again, and I'll keep saying it louder and louder: General Motors, be better. Australian Holden dealers want a fair deal. They don't want a special deal, they just want a fair deal.</para>
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          <title>COVID-19: Aviation</title>
          <page.no>106</page.no>
        </subdebateinfo><speech>
  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:51</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator BILYK</name>
    <name.id>HZB</name.id>
    <electorate>Tasmania</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>Tonight I want to talk about the thousands of jobs at risk in the aviation industry and the Morrison government's lack of action to save them. When the JobKeeper wage subsidy was announced, the Treasurer, Mr Frydenberg, said: 'Australians know that their government has their back'. Well, if only that were true. On 1 May, with the stroke of a pen, the Morrison government denied JobKeeper payment to companies operating in Australia but wholly owned by a foreign government. This cruel decision has led to 5,500 workers from the airline services company dnata losing access to JobKeeper coverage overnight. The 4,000 dnata workers stood down to date had little warning that they would soon be joining the unemployment queue, and dnata management had to deliver to those workers the awful news that the government had changed the rules, after workers had previously been assured that they were covered by JobKeeper. One dnata employee, Natasha, whose story was highlighted by the Transport Workers' Union, said her family had to eat the tinned and packet foods left over in the house, because otherwise they couldn't afford her son's medical supplies. I remind those opposite that these people are Australian workers. They have no control over who the company they work for is owned by. They've paid taxes in Australia, most of them throughout their whole working lives, and they deserve to be supported by their government.</para>
<para>Another company that the Morrison government has abandoned is the airline Virgin Australia. Virgin's 16,000 workers face an uncertain future after the airline was placed into voluntary administration and the government ruled out any further support. It's hypocritical of the government not to save Virgin when they've signed off on $100 million in cash grants exclusively for regional airlines, including the majority foreign-owned Regional Express. Despite not being a regional airline, Virgin Australia services a large number of regional destinations. It's not just the jobs of Virgin employees at risk. The company also supports many contractors and regional economies. But the potential damage if Virgin is allowed to collapse goes even further: it threatens to end competition in the air travel industry. If Virgin Australia collapses, Qantas will have a virtual monopoly, which will drive up the price of airfares. For another entrant to start up in Virgin's place and return genuine competition to the air travel market, it will take years of approvals, procuring aircraft, recruiting staff and establishing services.</para>
<para>This collapse would have a devastating impact on regional economies, particularly in my home state of Tasmania. As an island state, higher airfares will present a huge barrier to visiting Tasmania once the COVID-19 crisis passes. At stake is our entire $3 billion tourism industry, an industry which contributes 10 per cent of our gross state product. Our tourism industry has already taken a massive blow from the pandemic; if Virgin Australia collapses, it may take decades to recover. We're talking here about an industry which supports around 42,000 Tasmanian people, direct and indirect; that's one in six Tasmanian workers. The efforts of both state and federal governments to support Tasmanian tourism operators and their workers throughout the crisis will be wasted if we can't ensure continued airline competition.</para>
<para>Another consequence of the loss of airline competition will be the additional cost to Tasmanians travelling interstate and overseas. Many of these Tasmanians would already be suffering financially from the impact of COVID-19 and it would be a cruel blow if they are prevented from going on holiday or visiting friends and family they have spent months apart from because they cannot afford the airfare.</para>
<para>The government could save Virgin by extending or guaranteeing a line of credit or taking an equity stake in the airline. Any equity the government injects into the airline could be sold once the crisis has passed. I'd like to thank all those who have campaigned for the air travel industry—those who have signed petitions and sent messages to the Morrison government calling on them to stand up for Virgin and dnata workers. In particular, I think the Transport Workers Union and the Australian Services Union for their tireless efforts in lobbying the government to develop a national plan for aviation. They've been on the front line of the campaign and continue to stand up for thousands of workers and their families. I hope this advocacy will not fall on deaf ears. The Morrison government cannot stand by idly while thousands of aviation industry workers join the unemployment queues and airline competition collapses. They must act immediately and save the jobs of Virgin and dnata workers.</para>
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          <title>COVID-19: COVIDSafe</title>
          <page.no>106</page.no>
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  <talker>
    <time.stamp>17:56</time.stamp>
    <name role="metadata">Senator GRIFF</name>
    <name.id>76760</name.id>
    <electorate>South Australia</electorate>
  </talker>
  <para>I rise tonight to speak on the COVID-19 app legislation which passed this chamber earlier today. Looking at the responses people have had to the app, it's fair to say that we have a problem with trust. We have a problem with trust when the public is reluctant to download an app that the government has developed. We have a problem with trust when we need legislation to reassure people that the government will not misuse their data. We have a problem with trust when we need to criminalise the misuse of people's data. And that problem of trust is making the management of the coronavirus much more difficult than it otherwise would be.</para>
<para>It's worth thinking about how we've ended up in this position. The public have not lost their trust in their representatives because of any single action; it's not the fault of one person, party or government. Instead, it's an accumulation of many separate actions over many, many years which have undermined people's confidence. It's not difficult to find examples. Sports rorts is one particular example. How can the public maintain its confidence in a government that puts its own interests before those of the community? Another recent example is the attempted cover-up of the Prime Minister's Hawaiian holiday during the bushfires. But the problem is not limited to the Liberal and National parties. When Labor was in government, the promise not to introduce a carbon tax, the Slipper affair and the defence of Craig Thomson all diminished the public's trust in its representatives.</para>
<para>Every time a politician is exposed in a scandal it makes the public suspicious that politicians' work is all about benefiting themselves rather than serving their constituents. Every time a politician refuses to be accountable for wrongdoing it confirms those suspicions. Every time a politician says there is no need for a corruption watchdog it transforms suspicions into hardened truths.</para>
<para>But it isn't just the big scandals that corrode trust; it's all the small things too—the exaggerations and lies, the demonisations and the dog whistles. Each of these delivers some momentary political advantage but comes at the cost of trust—in all of us. Now all our chickens have come home to roost. After years of allowing the public trust in us to waste away, we find that we actually need the public trust—and there is precious little of it left.</para>
<para>I hope one lesson we learn from the pandemic is the importance of public trust and that part of the recovery is a rebuilding of that trust. There is no silver bullet that will rapidly undo the damage that has been done. We cannot just pass a law, agree to a motion or promise that things will be different in the future. The only choice that's available to us is to be better and to do better—to consistently act in a way that builds the community's confidence and demonstrates they can trust us to act in their interest and not our own. For some of us, that will require real change and it will take time. But the response to the COVID-19 app demonstrates why is so important for the public to have trust in us. This is something we should all reflect on in the coming months.</para>
<para>Senate adjourned at 18:00</para>
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